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00:00Let's talk about something serious.
00:10We talked about this ideal
00:12The founding of Ideal Auto
00:14It's been ten years now
00:15Looking back
00:15Or your entire entrepreneurial career?
00:18Looking back
00:19You are the hardest to stand
00:21The most dramatic
00:23Or the most tragic
00:24Or the darkest moment
00:25this
00:26Can you share a few with us?
00:30I think there are four
00:31right
00:31Yes, I just mentioned the fourth one.
00:33Then the financing in 2019
00:35My body collapsed and I raised funds
00:37My body is not in good condition yet I am still like this
00:38Yes, and there are actually the first three
00:40My first one actually
00:41Then when doing the artillery
00:43Then when this company
00:45There should be about thirty or forty people
00:47I'm not that impressed.
00:48Because I am particularly painful
00:49The memory is not that deep
00:50Quantitative
00:51But that scene
00:52I go back to that scene
00:53No, it's still vivid in my mind.
00:56Because I wouldn't be able to manage at that time.
00:57So I don't pay attention to people at all
00:58We really have a situation.
01:00Just a few days ago, everyone was fine.
01:02the next day
01:0290% of people resigned
01:04There are only five or six people left in the company.
01:06Everyone is gone
01:07No longer coming to work
01:08What did you do that was excessive?
01:09How could so many people walk at once?
01:11I think basically
01:13He was a tyrannical tyrant then.
01:15Totally inhumane ones
01:17It's completely
01:18Just focus on things
01:19No attention to people at all
01:21And I don't understand management
01:22How many people resigned on the same day?
01:23There were thirty or forty of us at that time
01:25Basically 90% of people
01:26Resigned one day
01:27Almost all left
01:28And they've discussed it.
01:29Resigned in one day
01:30And I've found a new home.
01:32Some actually went to other companies.
01:33Then some of them went out to start their own businesses
01:35Yes, that's the situation
01:37Then there was a phone call
01:38One phone call to find back
01:39No one comes back
01:42Then so
01:42At that time you already had
01:43Those two are partners, right?
01:45No, only one
01:45Only anyway
01:46And anyway in Shijiazhuang
01:47I can't influence
01:49He is remote
01:49right
01:50So at that time
01:51We started hiring immediately.
01:53If you think back
01:54You see, we see a lot of
01:56That Steve Jobs was a tyrant.
01:59You heard about that then, right?
02:00That's it
02:01It was confirmed to be true by their old employees
02:03It was in that building.
02:05Everyone gets on and off that elevator
02:06The floor isn't actually very high.
02:07His old address
02:08That Apple Park
02:10The employees said yes
02:12Many employees are afraid to take the elevator
02:14Because of the elevator
02:15Maybe you'll run into Steve Jobs
02:16What about Jobs?
02:17I look at you and ask you a question
02:19Then you said the wrong thing
02:20He went out
02:21HR will inform you that you are fired.
02:22So everyone would rather take the stairs
02:251st to 6th floor or 1st to 5th floor
02:27Avoiding Jobs
02:28When he was young?
02:30Yes, yes, yes
02:30In the early days
02:31Later
02:32Later it was totally different
02:32Yes, yes, yes
02:33So what I mean is
02:34Sounds like you could do something similar.
02:36Can't do it
02:37Not that excessive
02:39right
02:39In fact, I don't listen to everyone's ideas at all
02:41I don't care about everyone's feelings
02:42You're not that rude.
02:43It just means you completely disregard their opinions.
02:45right
02:46And that
02:46How to solve it at that time
02:47On the one hand, recruiting
02:48On the one hand, I really read management books
02:50Then I checked online
02:51What management book is important?
02:52So at that time
02:52This is the first biggest shock to starting a business.
02:55right
02:55It's like you go to the company and it collapses.
02:57It collapsed
02:58right
02:59Then I went to read management books
03:00How did you keep it steady?
03:02Because your business is still running.
03:03Just keep recruiting.
03:04Because I can do business
03:06Just say that I was in a hurry and pushed it all up
03:08I can do business myself
03:09clear
03:09right
03:09Then
03:10So it won't be fatal
03:13There is also Fan Cheng watching over the technical side.
03:14I'm watching this content.
03:16Then the sales side
03:17Shao Zhen is still there
03:18He can also stare
03:19Then there is no job recruitment
03:20So you went to recruit people?
03:21That's when we started recruiting people.
03:23Such a thing
03:23Then the other side
03:25Just start reading
03:26Read books about science
03:27I read it very carefully
03:28Understand or not
03:29Actually, you have to read
03:31Right
03:31Then what else to say
03:32How to be an observer?
03:34How to communicate?
03:35right
03:36That's when we started talking about communication.
03:37There was no communication at that time.
03:39What to do?
03:39Let's all go together
03:41Let's have dinner together
03:42I learned this trick
03:43At night
03:44Also called people to eat together
03:46At that time
03:47Rice bowls eaten in Zhongguancun
03:48When everyone eats rice
03:49Or when eating rice noodles
03:50Let's eat together again.
03:51right
03:52Because of this
03:53They can talk to you.
03:54So you think
03:55Are you inherently low in emotional intelligence?
03:57Still on this matter
03:59That was totally unexpected.
04:00I think it is
04:01Because I have no social experience
04:02In fact, you and your friends
04:03What emotional intelligence is normal for family members?
04:05Not really
04:06Not really
04:06Not really
04:07Not really
04:07Just think less about these
04:09I think I was very selfish at that time
04:10At that time, I thought I was right about everything.
04:12It's someone else's fault
04:13Right
04:14Including when I was looking for a girlfriend
04:15I think it's all her fault
04:17right
04:18I am too selfish
04:19But there is always this stage.
04:20All guys have this stage.
04:22right
04:22So the boy is stupid too.
04:24boy
04:24More sensible than girls
04:26Yes, yes, yes
04:26yes
04:27yes
04:27Still not emotional enough?
04:29I think the second paragraph
04:30Actually it was 2008
04:31We have an economic crisis
04:33It's the economic crisis.
04:34When difficulties arise
04:36right
04:36Then my part
04:37I am what I have seen
04:39Hong Kong blockbusters all feel
04:40None of us have that period
04:41That paragraph
04:42Actually, they are our three small shareholders.
04:44In fact, one of them is a partner
04:46right
04:46Then their shares are also
04:48I gave it to them when they joined.
04:49Because I don't have any conditions.
04:50I was a high school graduate at that time.
04:52so what
04:52I rely on giving everyone some shares
04:54Inhale them
04:55Then the salary is low
04:56Give some shares
04:57Then joined the company
04:58Then we had another
05:00Angel Investors
05:01That angel investor
05:02In fact, he was
05:02No money was given to the company
05:04He bought some shares from small shareholders
05:05Small shareholders say
05:06Want to buy a house
05:07Sell some shares
05:07So he bought
05:08I just bought some old stocks.
05:09right
05:10At that time, a situation arose
05:12Even Qin Zhi joined
05:14Then
05:14Who is this
05:16this
05:16Come anyway
05:17Also came to Beijing
05:18right
05:18Then at that time
05:19I kept raising funds.
05:20Just catch up with 2008
05:22I can't melt it anyway
05:22But I always tell you
05:24I will definitely be able to integrate
05:25Then the money arrived
05:26This money
05:26Sign this
05:28Going to sign this agreement
05:29Then it didn't melt in the end
05:30so what
05:30In April
05:31It all sounds very familiar
05:34Probably in April
05:36Our three small shareholders
05:37Just say we're going to hold a shareholders' meeting
05:38So in Zhonggongen Village
05:40Found a tea
05:41teahouse
05:42teahouse
05:42It's a table like this.
05:44There are three people opposite
05:45What about this side?
05:46The person responsible for our products
05:47Liu Qinghua
05:49Then he is neutral
05:51right
05:51Then what
05:51That's our angel investor.
05:53Then he's quite old.
05:54And this is me and Fan Zheng
05:56Sit on the other side
05:57right
05:57You want
05:57I was 27 at that time
05:59Not yet 27 years old
06:01At the age of 26
06:02Then when they come up
06:04Then I found the three of them.
06:05The most eloquent
06:05Our content manager
06:07Then some examples
06:08explain
06:08Then you see ideal
06:09You introduced the iron and
06:11The first piece of evidence is
06:13After you introduced the iron management and diligence system
06:15The company's cash flow is getting worse
06:16So it proves that you are causing disadvantages
06:18Then the business situation deteriorated
06:20Then the second
06:21You are raising funds outside
06:22We have such a good business
06:23Then financing is not available
06:24Prove that you are at a disadvantage in financing
06:26right
06:26The company has entered
06:27Such a difficult scene
06:29At that time, the cash flow was about to stop.
06:30So then
06:31Our conclusion is
06:32You and Fan Zheng
06:33No longer fit to manage this company
06:35so what
06:35For you
06:36At that time, Fan Zheng and I
06:37It has 70% of the shares
06:37The two of us together
06:38So I'll give you 15% of the shares.
06:40Then you both have to leave the company.
06:42Then why does he?
06:44They are minority shareholders
06:45There is no basis
06:46Is this their logic?
06:47Just do it
06:48This logic is expressed
06:50Fan Zheng and I were shocked.
06:51Because you need to know
06:52It's us
06:52I and those people
06:54Even slept together
06:55We work during the day
06:56Sleeping in a bed at night
06:57So at that time
06:58I have no idea how to deal with it
06:59I was confused.
07:00Fan Zheng was also confused
07:02He hadn't seen this scene before.
07:04But first of all, this challenge
07:06That sounds quite legally illiterate.
07:08Because the company was in crisis.
07:10right
07:11Then it's not that simple
07:13And before discussing this matter
07:16My bank card
07:17There are 1.05 million
07:19Personal Card
07:20Personal Card
07:20Then the three of them
07:22One of them
07:23Borrowed 1 million from me
07:23Bought a house
07:24After he bought the house
07:26This meeting just started
07:27Only then challenge
07:27I only have 50,000 in my card.
07:28My entire bank card
07:30Only 50,000 yuan in total
07:31Then why am I so impressed?
07:33I just bought a house.
07:34Then it got difficult
07:35right
07:35Start this thing
07:36right
07:37This is quite outrageous.
07:38Then
07:38But you are
07:39You feel like you are brothers with him.
07:41right
07:42Then
07:43What if I stand down?
07:44I later
07:45I'll talk about the latter part later.
07:46Then later
07:48Why am I so impressed?
07:49Because at that time our company
07:50I really have no money again
07:51During the 512 earthquake
07:53We have no money to donate
07:54Everyone scolds us
07:56We really don't have money to donate.
07:57At that time
07:58I put the money in the card
07:59Just put it in the company
08:00Only 10,000 or 20,000 yuan left.
08:01The company has to survive
08:02Today you see
08:03Ideal Auto
08:04if only
08:04Any disaster in the country
08:05Any of this
08:07We will donate money immediately
08:08We didn't donate money.
08:09I was particularly impressed
08:10So the following words
08:11actually
08:11You can see us now
08:13Just donate money forever
08:14right
08:15Then because
08:15We also felt it was wrong at that time
08:17but
08:17We can't survive
08:19So the impression was particularly deep
08:20So what happened at the scene?
08:22The scene actually
08:23We had no idea
08:24We were just stupid there.
08:25Then Liu Xinghua was next to
08:26I don't know how
08:27I don't know what to do.
08:27Then we
08:28Liu Xinghua is the neutral party
08:30neutral
08:30Then there are our angel investors
08:32Slap the table
08:33Wow
08:34Then filming will be very
08:36Very interesting
08:37Then slap the table
08:39You three little bastards
08:41Who are you three?
08:43The idea
08:43If placed in ancient times
08:45You three will be executed along with your entire family.
08:46If placed in modern
08:48There are no minority shareholders
08:49The rebellion was successful
08:50You three little bastards
08:52Who came up with the idea?
08:52The three people panicked immediately
08:54Then start to
08:55Talk to each other
08:56It wasn't my idea.
08:57Push each other
08:58I think the company treats me well.
08:59Then three immediately
09:00It collapsed at that time
09:01Why do you feel like a group of children?
09:03What you do
09:05They were also
09:06They are all older than me
09:08They are all older than me
09:08They are all older than me
09:09In fact, the mastermind
09:11It helps us
09:12Actually, they are all mine
09:13This is the benefactor of my growth.
09:16And he brought us to Beijing
09:18Later I knew
09:19Actually, it's my problem.
09:20Including entering through CEM
09:23These people
09:24Then the shares can be cashed out.
09:25That's it
09:26Have you dealt with all the things afterwards?
09:28This we
09:29It's when Qin Zhi and I continued
09:30Anyway, go to this company
09:31Go down to manage?
09:32In fact, when Telstra entered
09:34This is also to resolve this problem
09:35Did they withdraw after taking the money?
09:37Exited
09:38Exited
09:39Including leaving some for them
09:41A few people still have some shares.
09:43Until IPO
09:43Then I quit
09:45And made a lot of money
09:46There will be no problem for everyone to come later.
09:48I'm with the main person
09:50Then we talked about it later
09:51I said why
09:52I feel very uncomfortable too.
09:53Everyone is like this
09:54He talked about something very important.
09:56He actually said
09:57I think he's speaking the truth.
09:59I completely believe
10:00And it helps me a lot
10:01He said you're always alone
10:03Then when you're dead set
10:05Our biggest feeling is
10:06You think we are not important anymore
10:07We fought with you.
10:08You didn't try to join them.
10:11Jointly
10:12Any difficulties you encounter
10:13You didn't even discuss it with us.
10:14You discussed it with us.
10:15Then when you are in the most difficult time
10:17You're alone
10:18We can't help you even if we want to.
10:19Then we feel that we
10:21It doesn't matter in this company.
10:22right
10:23so what
10:23I was thinking
10:25It's true
10:26It's true
10:28So after this incident
10:29I've undergone a huge change
10:31I've undergone a huge change
10:33And at that time
10:34That was the most difficult time
10:35I work 134 hours a day
10:36He's just a workaholic.
10:38I never take a vacation.
10:39At that time
10:39Because the competition on the automotive website is fierce
10:41So I think when it started
10:43I said I have to be good to myself first
10:45A person who has never been to Tang
10:47It is impossible to give others sweetness
10:48So this is one I made
10:49A big change
10:50You want them
10:51At that time, there was really
10:53They all bought BMW 5 Series
10:54I drive a Polo
10:55right
10:56They all bought cars worth more than 700,000 yuan.
10:57I drive a car worth hundreds of thousands of dollars
10:59right
10:59Then they bought a big house
11:00I live in a very small house
11:01right
11:02Then
11:02So I said
11:03You treat yourself well
11:04And many employees at the back
11:05He thought I bought a good car
11:07After I bought a BMW
11:07He said it was good
11:08He said you let me drive a Polo
11:09What car do you want us to drive?
11:11right
11:11I think this is my problem
11:12Too hard on myself
11:14right
11:15Then
11:15I think the second one is
11:17Whenever I encounter any difficulties
11:17I talk to the team.
11:18The greater the difficulty
11:19You talk to the team
11:19right
11:20Then
11:20So you were in that period
11:22What's the reason for not telling them?
11:24yes
11:24Are there several possibilities?
11:26One is self-esteem
11:27I just carried it myself
11:28Then there is another
11:30Do you think you told them?
11:31It's useless
11:31no
11:32When I was in Vietnam
11:33I also think I should think for myself
11:35I think I found out later
11:36This is completely wrong
11:37Actually, it’s not true
11:37Totally wrong
11:38It's Vietnam time
11:39Then
11:40And when you talk to the team
11:41The team feels they are the most valuable
11:43Because everyone wants
11:44But the team you are referring to is the core management team, right?
11:46yes
11:46There's no need to tell the following
11:47Yes, yes, yes
11:48I will follow
11:49Tell the core management everything
11:51Including talking to investors
11:52And don't wait until the end
11:53When you are about to die
11:55Go and do it again
11:56When you encounter difficulties
11:56Just tell them
11:57I think everyone hopes
11:59By your side
11:59Contribute his value
12:01Everyone wants to be needed
12:03Rather than being unnecessary
12:04So I said this is the second one
12:06Then
12:06These difficulties
12:08Then I think the third
12:09Then
12:10I think it's very important
12:11I started to handle relationships.
12:13I will think from the other person's perspective.
12:15Then the relationship between the two people
12:17Just like my girlfriend
12:18I think it's all her problem.
12:19Later think about it
12:20actually
12:20I said 80% of it was my fault
12:22so
12:23That year
12:24I met my wife
12:25right
12:25Then later on
12:26At that time, I was in my twenties
12:27At that time I was twenty-seven
12:30Twenty-seven years old
12:31Met my wife
12:33so what
12:33The following words
12:34Then
12:35These things are dealt with
12:36It started to get better and better
12:37And what about
12:38The Autohome team is very stable
12:40Then the Ideal Auto team
12:41It also started to become very stable
12:42What's your third one?
12:45A major setback
12:46Just now
12:46The third
12:48The third one is also
12:49Haven't talked about it yet.
12:50Not mentioned
12:50This is the second question, right?
12:51So I think the second question
12:53Probably the biggest change in my life.
12:55right
12:56I think that is to say
12:56The greatest thing in my life
12:57Biggest change
12:58There's no need to bear this kind of thing yourself
13:00There's no need to hold on.
13:01It's not healthy
13:01right
13:02And what about
13:02In fact, after speaking
13:03It's better if everyone trusts
13:05Because everyone wants to be needed
13:06Even if he listens to you
13:08He also felt that he
13:09Listen carefully to you
13:10I also feel that I am of important value
13:12clear
13:13right
13:13And then I think that's the second thing
13:15What's the third one?
13:15The third one is also
13:16basically
13:17The Hong Kong movie that everyone watched
13:19Will appear
13:20that is
13:21We went public in 2013
13:23Because our performance is already very good
13:25And in 2013
13:25In fact, the entire capital has returned
13:28Then we also found a very good investment bank
13:29Then in
13:31Confirmed by the end of September
13:33We'll go in early October.
13:34Go to the New York Stock Exchange
13:36We reported the New York Stock Exchange at the time
13:37Then investment banking
13:39Including subscriptions to these things.
13:40Actually, it's almost done.
13:41Then
13:42Two days before National Day
13:43I announced this to the team.
13:44Then some bar management teams
13:46Let's get passports.
13:47Prepare these things.
13:48Let's go to the United States together
13:49right
13:49Let's go to the United States together
13:50Then went to ring the bell
13:50And then only the next day
13:52A problem arises
13:53right
13:54Then because at that time
13:55He said we are a small shareholder.
13:56Then
13:58After Telstra bought our shares
13:59We are a minority shareholder
14:00I only had
14:016 points of shares
14:02so what
14:03At that time, we were trying to protect ourselves
14:04Designed a clause
14:05that is
14:06Want to go public
14:06More than 95% of shareholders must agree
14:09Just
14:10Just to protect my rights
14:11But
14:12In this process
14:13Telstra also
14:14in addition
14:15Then I bought a company
14:16Merged with us
14:17So the shareholders of another company
14:18There are almost this many shares
14:20So there is such a clause
14:22At that time
14:23Then what is the situation
14:24And what about
14:24His team took care of us.
14:26They all
14:26They all retreated
14:27All retired
14:27I don't work in the company anymore
14:28Then all their teams
14:30Leave it to us.
14:31Then
14:31See they have the right to vote
14:33No
14:34He is the only shareholder left.
14:35No voting rights
14:36But
14:36We really have to
14:37Then 95% of shareholders must agree
14:39To go public
14:40right
14:41Then what happened?
14:42Our biggest competitor
14:43Bought their stocks
14:44Then we were
14:45Then
14:46Then the fundraising price is three yuan
14:48Our competitors at the time
14:49Offered a price of 190,000 per share
14:50Then buy his shares
14:52So he informed us directly.
14:54right
14:54Then we have to
14:55Prepared for so long
14:57We actually prepared for three years
14:58Preparations started in 2011
14:59Then the IPO must stop
15:00At least early October
15:02You definitely can't go.
15:02Have you bought it yet?
15:04Haven't bought it yet.
15:05Because we have to sign
15:06He can buy it
15:07right
15:07Then why don't you negotiate?
15:09I'll continue.
15:09right
15:10So we were
15:11I told the team first.
15:13Said we would definitely postpone the listing
15:14This is definitely not available now.
15:16Because there is such a thing
15:17Because shareholders
15:18Your share results change
15:20It takes more than a year in China
15:21But the United States also needs
15:22Then re-
15:23Do it again
15:25right
15:25Come to record again
15:26So I was particularly impressed
15:28Because their team
15:30Many people joined us
15:31We gave him a lot of options.
15:32right
15:33And there is another difference
15:34that is
15:34In fact, we
15:36Then at that time
15:37Then after Telstra bought the shares
15:38We gave the team a lot of money.
15:39Then because when they competed together
15:41Discover Us
15:42Then they get more money than they do.
15:43We give our team
15:45More money than them
15:46So then at that time
15:47One on site
15:48We put this situation
15:49With everyone
15:50Talked to the executives
15:51Twenty or thirty executives spoke
15:53Then our team is fine.
15:55Then turned and walked away
15:56Their team members
15:56Most people cried
15:57It turns out they are the ones
15:59Everyone who worked with us cried
16:01So when I follow him
16:01I didn't make much money
16:02There was an opportunity to go public.
16:04It can be yellowed
16:05It can be yellowed
16:06But how do we do it?
16:07We are actually
16:08Then quickly contact our investment bank
16:10Then including discussing with Telstra
16:12Then we exercise our right of first refusal
16:14Even if the price is 19 yuan
16:15We have to buy it for him.
16:16so what
16:17We'll be the last one
16:18These shareholders
16:19Through a loan
16:20Then the internal priority is realized
16:23Right of first refusal
16:24Then actually put his
16:26I bought that 6% of the shares
16:27Thus avoiding
16:29Then stop us from going public
16:29Because if it can't be listed
16:31That's basically
16:31A very uncomfortable thing
16:32It's all in vain.
16:33Employees have expectations.
16:36Everyone works so hard to achieve results
16:38Then the business development is also very good
16:40It's hard to recover afterwards.
16:42right
16:42so what
16:42Not listed in early October
16:43Then we got serious
16:45Everyone is doing
16:45The team is particularly united
16:46Because it's still like
16:47I told the team about the problem
16:48Can't hide karma
16:49right
16:50Then I was particularly impressed
16:50December 11, 2013
16:53131211
16:54Then we go twist
16:55Go to the NSE
16:56It was snowing heavily that day
16:57Then go to the city
16:58That took more than a year.
17:00No
17:00Since October 2013
17:02right
17:02Because I have been preparing for a year
17:03I encountered some problems in that year
17:05I didn't make it.
17:05clear
17:05Then in 2013
17:06Very happy
17:07And what about
17:08Our issue price is still 13 yuan.
17:09But it rose to more than 30 yuan that day
17:11ah
17:11This is totally inexperienced.
17:14What happened to me?
17:15No
17:16It's us
17:17We are working hard
17:18Helping him make money
17:19Then I found out later
17:20It's okay
17:20But you contacted them.
17:23Then he becomes your major shareholder
17:24In this process
17:25or before
17:26The major shareholder did not accept
17:27Because he is a major shareholder
17:28Another merged company
17:29He holds a stake in it.
17:30But I mean
17:31Your team at that time
17:32Responsible for investment and financing
17:34What kind of role is this?
17:35Yes, I have
17:35They are all very professional
17:36But I didn't expect anything
17:37We're going public
17:38We are a shareholder
17:39I would choose this method
17:40Because he is also a beneficiary.
17:42He is also
17:43He is also a huge beneficiary
17:44right
17:44so what
17:44Look at that
17:45What stocks does TVB film a lot?
17:48Intercept listing
17:48Malicious purchase or something
17:49We've all been through this.
17:50It feels like a dramatic
17:52Actually, it is correct
17:53This kind of thing often happens
17:54Yes
17:54Yes
17:55yes
17:55So when we talked before
17:57Talk about your teenage years growing up
17:59Everything seems to be going well
18:00In fact, all the hardships you suffered were caused by starting your own business.
18:02Right
18:03yes
18:03If you are a
18:05The character of the abdominal muscle amine
18:06Maybe your whole life
18:07There's nothing to suffer.
18:08Look at you
18:10You can be better than your parents at the age of 18
18:1110 times more money
18:12If you have a personality
18:14Is it entrepreneurial spirit?
18:15But a person with a small abdominal muscle amine
18:16Maybe my life will be easy.
18:18right
18:19Because when we are in trouble
18:20Often my most
18:21That's when I'm more excited.
18:22Right
18:22Your most difficult time
18:24Because of these pressures
18:26Or this kind of accident
18:27Is there a time when you even cry?
18:29Of course I have
18:30Yes, I have
18:30Countless times
18:31Countless times
18:32Countless times
18:33When I read Musk's biography
18:39I thought about it carefully
18:40Have I ever cried?
18:41I lost my temper a few times
18:44Just once when we were in Shenzhen
18:46Hold a mobile phone launch conference
18:47I deliberately designed a flip
18:49Because at that time everyone was ahead of iPhone
18:51Exactly the same
18:51All Chinese mobile phones are better than iPhones
18:53This ancient rumble
18:54that
18:54I think that's ugly.
18:55Especially when he was in that metal
18:57The second stay
18:59That process
19:00A huge plastic strip at the back
19:02Starting from iPhone 5
19:03right
19:04It's particularly ugly
19:05As a result, all of China surpassed
19:06That ugly plan
19:07Then we say
19:09Should we follow
19:10I said then I
19:11I absolutely cannot accept this
19:14Then we made a
19:15Even the opposite
19:17That's what we could have done
19:18A sharper edge
19:20Even made a sharper effect
19:22It's completely a
19:23But this isn't just a gamble
19:25Because it is like this
19:26The softer the lines
19:27The more approachable
19:28But the sense of luxury will be weak
19:30The sharper your lines are
19:31It has a sense of luxury
19:32But the affinity will be weak
19:33So there's always a balance
19:34At that time we said
19:36Look at that Porsche Design.
19:38In fact, it is similar to the Porsche
19:39Cars don't matter
19:40Isn't there a separate Porsche Design
19:41Or resist
19:42Yes, yes, yes
19:42The things they did
19:44It's always been very tough
19:46And the sharp style
19:48So we say
19:48Let's try a style like this
19:50Then made a
19:51That is actually in our history
19:52The most sold single mobile phone
19:54Then after the style design is completed
19:56T several
19:57Pro1
19:57Pro1
19:58It was also a loss all the way
20:00That's the first one to make money.
20:01Later the second
20:02Your name is Nut, right?
20:03nut
20:03Nut Pro1
20:04right
20:04We bought this brand.
20:06Then our sharp
20:08After that phone came out
20:09I do
20:10It was at that press conference
20:12The more I think about it, the angrier I get.
20:13My country is so big
20:14Such a successful company
20:15Copy one anyway.
20:16You copy a nice one.
20:17I can understand it all
20:18Copying something so ugly
20:19Then I deliberately put my phone
20:22Designed to
20:23Exactly the same as that iPhone
20:24Then at the press conference
20:26Just give everyone a decent appearance
20:28Just say
20:29Look at our phone.
20:30Now
20:31After we have been tempered and hammered by the market
20:34That is, from the public's perspective
20:36Made a more acceptable
20:39Such an appearance
20:39I'm just being hypocritical.
20:41Just put that
20:41Our mobile phone release
20:43Completely based on the iPhone
20:44The one who copied
20:45The audience below was particularly disappointed
20:48Can I see the faces of the people in the front row clearly?
20:50After it's over
20:51Some people say it's fake.
20:53Just yelled it out like that
20:54Then I just acted like a dog
20:57Spoken for an hour
20:57All of them are holding fake mobile phones
20:59Talked about configuration
21:00What was said
21:00What was said
21:01That's all.
21:02Then when you get to the back
21:03I said
21:05I just wrote a sentence
21:06Actually, it's what I imagined
21:08The voice of that hammer friend
21:10You copied your phone into this state.
21:13It's so ugly
21:14You deserve us
21:15At that time, although our mobile phones were not successful
21:17There's still a million level.
21:20One of the million or two million
21:21Very loyal user base
21:23So I imagined
21:25They really saw me
21:26One day I fell into depravity and copied that
21:27He will definitely say
21:28Are you worthy of us?
21:30Is it just constant support?
21:31The front is so difficult
21:32The reaction below was particularly crazy
21:35It's better than I thought
21:36When I showed my real machine
21:37His level of madness
21:39It's probably three to five times more than I imagined.
21:41It's no exaggeration
21:42Some people cried while shouting
21:44Then I couldn't do it anymore
21:45I'm actually very ashamed
21:47Showing emotion in public
21:49That thing
21:50It's over. I can't control it at all.
21:51The nose is transparent from here to here
21:53Then I talked about a company CEO
21:55Things you absolutely shouldn't say
21:56I said that because the mainstream at that time was not
21:58Are they all copying the ugly iPhone?
22:00I mean the Eastern Hemisphere and the Western Hemisphere.
22:02No, no
22:03I said that if one day my phone
22:08Sold tens of millions of units
22:10Selling like crazy
22:11I said when
22:13When everyone buys our mobile phone
22:15This is something a CEO should never say.
22:16When I said everyone came to buy our phones
22:19You have to remember this is for you.
22:20Then we'll be on and off the stage
22:22It's no use
22:23That was the only time I revealed this publicly.
22:28My personality is actually
22:30I am very shy to express myself.
22:32That emotional thing
22:34Our Company
22:35Then which phone has the most people using it?
22:36right
22:37When we first started our business
22:38yes
22:39Ideal mechanism for starting a business
22:40right
22:40That is actually our most sold item.
22:43Then that step started to make a profit
22:44The next step is also profitable
22:45Not in the back either
22:46oops
22:47Then I think about my entrepreneurial journey
22:50It seems like there were one or two times
22:53I went home and suffered with my wife.
22:54Never suffered in the company
22:56I cried the most to my wife.
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23:03I also have a specific question
23:05What is the i8 called now?
23:09right
23:09Because I saw the short film you made before
23:12right
23:12You and that friend are making robots, right?
23:17right
23:17That was our former autonomous driving product manager.
23:19Later I went out by myself
23:20Then I started a robotics business.
23:22right
23:22What I want to ask is
23:24You drive on the road
23:25Maybe it's from traffic regulations.
23:26Or public opinion
23:28Didn't let go of the steering wheel
23:29In fact
23:31Of course we can't talk
23:32Pure L4 autonomous driving
23:34This can't be discussed now.
23:35But in the actual process
23:37Actually, it's okay.
23:38Right
23:39That can't be said completely.
23:40I think we can look at it from another angle.
23:43This is the VLA-C model we are talking about.
23:45In fact, I think
23:46It is the intelligent agent stage
23:47Because it is already at the intelligent stage.
23:49In fact, the intelligent agent is a person we are creating.
23:51We are creating a driver
23:52Or create a professional driver
23:54An AI driver
23:54right
23:55Then because it is in an ever-changing physical environment
23:57But in fact, its essence
23:59Then I think there are actually five
24:00There are only five things that are its essence
24:02right
24:03Then the first essence is
24:05Then the driver
24:06That's how we evaluate a professional driver.
24:07Did it choose the right path?
24:08right
24:09Then the second
24:10Then, is it able to control the speed?
24:12The third
24:13Does it drive smoothly?
24:14Is it comfortable?
24:15The fourth
24:16Is it safe?
24:17Then the fifth
24:18Is it easy to communicate?
24:19right
24:19Then I actually think that the following words
24:21We are doing AI
24:22Including especially when making intelligent agents
24:24In fact, we should use human indicators to measure
24:26If a professional driver
24:29The routing ability is 100 points
24:30Then you use VLA
24:32Or use the original
24:33You
24:33What's your limit?
24:35Then your growth
24:36Then how to approach
24:37So I said this is us
24:38I think we created a set of
24:40A new R&D system
24:41and our understanding of AI
24:43What I just said is that
24:44What to train
24:45Training is our study
24:46right
24:47We are in class
24:47Post-training
24:49Actually, it’s about chatting with experienced people.
24:51To gain experience
24:52Intensive training
24:52That is us in reality
24:53Then keep exercising
24:55Then get real feedback
24:56actually
24:56That’s what AI does today.
24:59But just
24:59A training method
25:00and post-training methods
25:01and intensive training methods
25:02The technology is different
25:04Maybe actually
25:05You train a driver.
25:06Train a salesperson with you
25:07Train a factory manufacturing robot with you
25:09Different training methods
25:10The corpus to be fed here
25:12Then these things are different
25:13But the principle is exactly the same
25:15When VLA
25:17I have a lot
25:18I think it's fun
25:19I want to ask you something
25:21For example, you emphasize
25:22The characteristics of this system are
25:24Safety is reflected in
25:25It won't open randomly
25:26For example, in the past,
25:28Trained by an old driver
25:30In fact, it will overtake
25:31Or how about
25:31Right
25:32So it will be more orderly
25:34Safer
25:35No hidden dangers
25:36but
25:37If we assume that in a
25:40Driving in an uncivilized area
25:43Everyone's fanning themselves so wildly
25:45Will it be because
25:47Too honest
25:48Leading to a mouth
25:49A bunch of people behind me use irregular methods
25:52Passed
25:52It still has to be lined up there.
25:54Especially you know
25:55Some crossroads
25:56Waiting for that light
25:57I think the core
25:59So we are talking about
25:59Arriving at VLA is intensive training
26:01So you just generate
26:02The same reinforcement training data
26:03It can be trained
26:04It's the same as people.
26:06It's you, the driver.
26:07As long as you are in this city
26:08Open for a while
26:09You naturally learn the environment.
26:11For example, many people
26:12Open in the United States very honestly
26:14I won't open it when I come to China.
26:15But don't worry
26:16Three months later
26:17It's with everyone
26:19It's all the same.
26:19So you say
26:20It will eventually
26:21Simulate human behavior
26:23It is a form of intensive training
26:25So what do you think of this car?
26:27It's time for sale
26:29When it is delivered
26:30In the supporting
26:31This first generation version
26:33How confident is VLA?
26:35Will achieve these than peers
26:38There are obvious advantages
26:39I think if I come up
26:41It is better than the original end-to-end
26:42It's about 20% better.
26:44right
26:44But
26:45Is this 20% easily perceived?
26:47Some are still easy to perceive
26:49For example,
26:50Then the driving comfort
26:51Right
26:52Then, for example
26:53In fact, the ability to choose the path
26:54right
26:54Then there's this security protection.
26:56right
26:56It turns out that you have no end-to-end security protection
26:58It cannot understand
26:59This nail intersection
26:59It rushed out directly
27:00Right
27:01Then it just turns right according to the navigation
27:02But you see
27:03Today I saw a
27:04This nail intersection
27:05No traffic lights
27:05It just needs to stop at the intersection first
27:07After observing, turn right
27:08It’s very similar to humans.
27:10I'm particularly looking forward to this
27:12Because this kind of thing
27:14We have done a lot of product and R&D
27:15Everyone knows that
27:16There are some things you do
27:18You really know
27:19What it improves
27:20But from the consumer's perspective
27:22Not easy to perceive
27:23That to a large extent
27:25The benefits are actually very small
27:27You made a lot of effort
27:28And put in a lot of effort
27:29But the benefits are small
27:30But if you have some
27:32Something that is obvious and easily perceived
27:34I think that when
27:35Really need to strengthen
27:37This piece of publicity
27:38I have another question
27:39It's you and the robot company
27:42That CEO
27:42You two took this photo together.
27:44In that short film
27:45When you talk to your ideal classmates
27:48Some of them are quite complicated.
27:50Quite long-winded
27:51He also executed it correctly instantly.
27:52yes
27:52So I want to ask one thing.
27:54Your ideal classmate in the car computer now
27:57Has AI been connected?
27:58Still traditional NLP
27:59It's AI
28:00It's fully AI-enabled
28:01right
28:02I learned from your public information
28:04One thing I didn't understand was
28:06To train this VLA
28:08You have to build a virtual world yourself
28:13Virtual City
28:14right
28:14Then put all possible
28:17Let it learn the world like a human being
28:20But you are a virtual
28:22How can it be compared to our real world?
28:26Running these cars in the real world
28:28The real data collected is more complete.
28:30We use this data to reconstruct and generate
28:33Because it is wrong for you to just generate
28:34So I rebuild first
28:36Then generate
28:37Just like the physical world
28:38So the following words
28:39Intensive training requires two elements
28:41You have real data
28:42Then build this virtual world
28:44Then use AI to help generate
28:46It was not lifted up
28:48Yes
28:48So there are two technologies here
28:50One is reconstruction technology
28:51The reconstruction technique itself has a flaw
28:53It's just not rich enough
28:54It has a generation technology
28:56But generative technology cannot restore the physical world
28:57So we did the reconstruction first.
28:59Regenerate
29:00So we build the key talents for this technology
29:03It's XX
29:04We recruited a few people at that time
29:05When he himself passed
29:07Working on the Cosmos system
29:08So we communicated with XX
29:10There are also many in this regard
29:11Then because of the intensive training
29:13Especially intensive training in the physical world
29:14AI's words
29:15In fact, two elements are needed
29:16One is the environment
29:16If it is a real environment
29:18Then what's the second
29:19To generate data
29:19So we are here
29:21Built the environment
29:22Data generated again
29:22Then in it
29:24Maybe do intensive training
29:25So it is better than the previous method.
29:28In that way
29:29cannot be exhausted
29:31It can also be generated reasonably in you
29:32And completely restored
29:34Complete restoration
29:34right
29:34No difference from the physical world
29:36Sounds quite exciting.
29:38But huge money
29:39They are all reasoning cards
29:40They are all home to tens of thousands of cards, tens of thousands of cards, and tens of thousands of cards.
29:42It is the home of 10,000 cards and 10,000 cards
29:43Reasoning Cards
29:44How many cards are you using now?
29:46Our current equivalent card
29:47There should be 50,000 cards.
29:48Fifty thousand cards
29:49So you take the positive profit
29:51I put everything into research and development.
29:52AI's words
29:53Really invest more than 6 billion a year
29:55More than 6 billion yuan will be invested this year
29:56But this
29:58The prospect is actually very exciting.
30:00still
30:00I said
30:01I particularly believe what Jobs said
30:03Hardware barriers
30:04Only six months
30:05Then the barriers of software and systems
30:07Can be pulled out for one or two years
30:09Even longer
30:09More than three years
30:10right
30:10When the first iPhone was released
30:12He said that his most important
30:13That's the OS
30:14Five years ahead of the industry
30:15We were all Apple fans back then.
30:17Still feel
30:18You're five years ahead
30:19Is that a bit too boastful?
30:20Because the tech giants and the giants
30:22Being a year ahead is awesome.
30:24He said it was five years ahead.
30:26But then we looked at the evolution of Android
30:27All the way to surpass and copy
30:29It really took four or five years.
30:31Experience
30:32It's like entering the iPhone
30:33yes
30:34This is really not bragging at all
30:36yes
30:36Including you see
30:37Oh, I'm really looking forward to it
30:38Let me add
30:39Including our training
30:40In this field
30:41Let's take a look at the great CUDA system
30:43Everyone says it's a super-national system
30:45right
30:46Then from three years ago
30:47To this day, there is no
30:48Get closer to him
30:50yes
30:50Actually, think about it now.
30:51In fact, in 2023
30:52OpenEye Launches
30:54Chate GBT 3.5
30:55Also said very quickly
30:56Artificial intelligence can solve
30:57All the problems
30:57And even what I just said
30:59Think artificial intelligence
31:00These tools should not exist in the future
31:01These apps shouldn't exist
31:02He can do it.
31:03Today, everyone actually did
31:04The most
31:05computer use
31:05We do agent to agent
31:07How to call the tool
31:09I think everyone is still
31:10There has been a change in cognition
31:12Some are overly optimistic
31:14But there has been some progress
31:15It's really faster than I thought
31:16For example, recently
31:17Not recently.
31:19About half a year
31:20Just look at that
31:21There are many self-media
31:23Technology media did
31:24What's that called?
31:25Big AI News This Week
31:26Sometimes I feel buzzing when I watch it
31:28I just can't finish reading all the information.
31:30yes
31:30Then try it
31:32Of course they have some clickbait headlines
31:33Make a general
31:35Blow it up very high
31:35But there are also many
31:36You didn't take it seriously
31:38Are you in that American AI
31:40In that big event
31:41Saw it five or six times
31:43Can't help but be curious
31:44Try it
31:44I found it really amazing
31:45yes
31:46Just this
31:46so
31:48oops
31:49I'm really excited.
31:50I didn't expect to catch up
31:51Such an era
31:51So I think
31:52OpenAI
31:53OpenAI's Beginning
31:54It's really a gathering of people
31:54The best talents in the industry
31:56And what about
31:57I think OpenAI
31:58I admire it very much.
31:59The one he built
32:00He defined a
32:01The five stages of AGI
32:03I think today I see it more and more accurately
32:05Compared with the autonomous driving
32:06Established
32:07L1
32:07R3
32:08R4
32:08More standards
32:09More accurate than that definition
32:09right
32:10He defined
32:11The first stage is
32:11Chadbot
32:12Chatbots
32:13Then the second stage is
32:14Reson is the reasoner
32:15Then the third stage
32:17Agents
32:17Agent
32:18right
32:18The fourth stage
32:19Be an innovator
32:20The fifth stage
32:21Is the organizer
32:22Then we found
32:23In fact, today
32:24Just going
32:25This intelligent agent walks up
32:27The right to anticipate is correct
32:28right
32:28The judgment is correct
32:29But there are many things
32:30Thinking about it
32:30He believes that intelligent
32:31Can do everything
32:31Today's intelligent
32:32Also call the tool
32:33right
32:33Just like people
32:34Go use the tools
32:34yes
32:35And logically
32:36It is also a universal
32:38Follow a special
32:39For vertical
32:41To do this specifically
32:43I have no idea
32:44Because our future
32:45Possibly
32:46Artificial intelligence far exceeds
32:47When the human level
32:49We can't judge either.
32:50Because we have become lower creatures.
32:51yes
32:51Before that day comes
32:53Think of a general
32:54It's impossible
32:55In a specific
32:57In the field of doing practical things
32:58Have you ever done a vertical one?
32:59yes
32:59With the same investment
33:01yes
33:01But I think
33:02He might
33:03In the fifth stage
33:04When he talked about the organizer
33:05He has that ability.
33:06Only he can
33:07No human intervention
33:08Arbitrary call of intelligent agents
33:09That's it
33:10That's it
33:11Today we want mankind to
33:13Choose different agents
33:14right
33:14Also with the intelligent agent
33:15Very good interaction
33:15But if by then
33:16There really is one
33:17The organizer he mentioned showed up
33:19That actually
33:20yes
33:21right
33:21If there is no
33:22This app or tool
33:23He wrote it himself
33:24Now actually
33:26To some extent
33:26There is also such ability
33:27right
33:27What I mean
33:28In the future it will be complete
33:29Do it yourself
33:30Because it's arrived
33:30I think by the fifth stage
33:31Various tools are already very complete
33:33right
33:33Various intelligent body types
33:34Very professional
33:35Strong in all professional fields
33:36But is there anyone
33:37Is there a way
33:38All these majors
33:40Organize into one
33:41Dare not think
33:43you
33:44You are now
33:45Brought to mankind
33:47Long-term fate
33:47Is optimistic
33:48Still pessimistic
33:49I think so
33:50Optimism with caution
33:53right
33:53It's exactly the same as what I said.
33:55I see three stages myself
33:56Because I think
33:56He talked about the second and fourth stages
33:59It's actually an ability
34:00Not a product
34:01I think Chateboard is an obvious product
34:03I think it is
34:04Equivalent to the back of Chatboard
34:05Actually,
34:06That big model
34:07That big model
34:08It gave us some enhanced capabilities
34:10Right
34:10I think this is
34:10Indeed a performance
34:11Increased our knowledge
34:12Some abilities
34:13But he can't help me do things
34:14Because he has no action ability
34:16Right
34:16So after the intelligent body
34:18My description, right?
34:18He will become my colleague.
34:19But he is just like his colleagues
34:21It is professional
34:22Only sales
34:23Then we create a driver
34:25It's our colleague's job
34:26He serves 2C
34:27Assigned him to
34:28Consumers go to work in their cars
34:30So I
34:30This stage
34:31I think
34:31Only at the intelligent agent stage
34:33iPhone moments will occur
34:34Because I think Chatboard3.5
34:36Not an iPhone moment
34:37Right
34:37That's more like
34:38in the case of
34:39If it was the early days of the Internet
34:41More like a chat room stage
34:41AOL
34:42Instead of when Google appeared
34:44Right
34:44If it's a mobile phone
34:45It might be more like black mold.
34:46What is this?
34:47Saiban and the like
34:48yes
34:48Black Mold Saiban
34:49Instead of iPhone
34:50Right
34:50Then what
34:51I think when the intelligent body
34:52It's my colleague
34:52He either works with me.
34:54Or actually
34:54He plays a role
34:56To serve our consumers
34:57Right
34:57I think this is a stage
34:58Then the third stage
34:59Innovators are hard to describe.
35:00Because he's a working
35:01A situation
35:02Right
35:03Then if it is the fifth stage
35:05I feel like he will become my family.
35:06He will connect everything to me
35:08right
35:09And what about
35:10I'm talking about all my experiences.
35:12mine
35:13My understandings
35:15Then
35:15My memories will be carried on by him.
35:17I think this
35:18The organizer he mentioned is particularly like
35:20When he appears as an organizer
35:21The first thing that popped into my mind
35:22yes
35:23Then
35:24It is the final stage of Zavis
35:26Zavis is very important
35:28It was he who
35:29Tony Stark's abilities
35:30In fact, all
35:30All continued
35:31Then
35:32And what about
35:32Tony Stark
35:33Then after his death in Avengers 4
35:36He continued to help
35:37Managing Stark Corporation
35:38With that
35:38With his fat assistant
35:40Then he was still helping take care of
35:41Pepper and his children
35:43yes
35:43Still helping Spider-Man
35:45His good brother
35:46To make battle suits
35:47I think
35:47I think
35:48In our lifetime
35:49This is achievable.
35:51right
35:51But after
35:52What's behind
35:53Because if he is stronger than others
35:55Ten thousand times
35:55One hundred thousand times
35:56A million times later
35:57How can we guarantee
35:59He serves us
36:00so
36:00This is
36:01This is another issue I discussed.
36:02That's what I think
36:03In fact, humans
36:04Knowledgeable
36:05Capable
36:05And wisdom
36:06This Earth's
36:07The development of this civilization
36:09It is this wisdom that determines
36:10right
36:11People are not the fastest runners.
36:12We also encountered many
36:13right
36:13But his wisdom
36:14Probably far more than us
36:15Because there is no proof yet
36:16How's his wisdom?
36:17Right
36:18Then because of human wisdom
36:19Also very long
36:20a lot of
36:20It hasn't developed for a long time.
36:21Today, when we talk about wisdom
36:23actually
36:24Then if the West
36:26Also traced back to
36:27In fact, the Greek three
36:28China Today
36:29Everyone is still talking
36:30Confucius
36:31Then Laozi
36:32Right
36:32Then IQ and that time
36:34Compared with biological characteristics
36:35There shouldn't be too many
36:36right
36:36Then if it's closer
36:37Everyone is still talking about Wang Yangming
36:38We watch science fiction movies
36:39It's all the same
36:40He is already able to
36:41Interstellar
36:42Artificial intelligence already exists
36:44Already with the robot
36:45Live together
36:45But you will find
36:46These
36:48Leaders on this planet
36:49What are these wisdoms?
36:50It seems like today
36:51There's no progress
36:51So I'm thinking about a question
36:53Actually, we might have one
36:55There will be a chance
36:57Including our
36:58Today's school
36:59Nor do they cultivate any wisdom
37:00Already
37:01Knowledge is no longer a problem
37:02Why not cultivate wisdom?
37:03So I'm thinking about a question
37:05Will humans be forced to
37:07Echizen gained wisdom
37:09I think this is a human
37:11A possible only chance
37:12But we actually
37:13The rate of biological evolution
37:15It's very slow
37:15Or do we need to turn into a half-man, half-machine?
37:19This is the only way it is possible
37:20Both are possible
37:20So I say if our wisdom has a Echizen
37:23I think humans may still
37:25At least the ruler of this earth civilization
37:27If our wisdom does not advance
37:29There's no way
37:29You'll definitely be eliminated.
37:31You'll definitely be eliminated.
37:32I'm actually quite pessimistic.
37:34But I feel
37:35I'm a very optimistic person.
37:37But this sounds unsolvable.
37:39That is, if he is smarter than us
37:41And many, many times smarter
37:43You as a low-level creature or intelligence
37:48It's actually impossible for you
37:50And the distance will increase faster and faster
37:51You can't guarantee anything.
37:54or control something
37:55This is not realistic
37:56right
37:56So my only opinion is
37:58Will it force human wisdom to reverse
38:00There was a significant
38:01So what do you think from this perspective?
38:04Elon Musk explains
38:05He is working on brain-computer interface to a large extent
38:07It is also to solve the problem of human and robot
38:09and AI loan issues
38:10What do you think this might change?
38:13Or have you thought of another solution?
38:15It is equivalent to him using the ability of AI
38:16Directly connect with people
38:17right
38:18I think he's definitely a good choice.
38:20Have you researched this?
38:22No
38:22No
38:22right
38:23What goals have been achieved in the ideal decade?
38:26I personally think we have made some pretty cool products.
38:29right
38:30Then the ideal is one
38:31Then L9 is a
38:33Then Mega is a
38:35Then the new i8 is a
38:36Um
38:36We have been
38:37Then made four
38:38Each one is
38:39Very very very good product
38:40right
38:40I completely agree with this
38:42right
38:42This product was when I founded this company.
38:44I can't imagine that I can make the product to this level.
38:45I didn't expect the hardware to be so good.
38:47right
38:47Also includes software
38:48But software is not a problem for you.
38:50Um
38:51I think the software hasn't really
38:52We have done a very good job on the software
38:54right
38:55But I think the real proof of software is in artificial intelligence
38:57I know
38:58right
38:58But I said that artificial intelligence has not yet reached our expectations
39:01You guys
39:03Because I am a software product manager
39:04I'm going to be really picky about this.
39:06Um
39:07Then I bought yours
39:08I think basically everything is correct.
39:10Um
39:11I think Apple has a huge impact on us.
39:13Including the rounded corner design on our screen.
39:16right
39:16Then including icon design
39:18Including some ways of interaction
39:20In fact, we often ask a question
39:22in the case of
39:23If we were not called Apple, how would Steve Jobs design it?
39:25Um
39:26But everyone will continue some of Apple's things
39:28We also often ask a question when we are doing industrial design
39:30For example, this piece is equipped with a chrome strip
39:31Some teams said that because the traditional aircraft also made things very luxurious
39:34We also ask a question internally.
39:36If it was designed by Steve Jobs
39:37Will he wear this?
39:38He said no
39:38Then we'll take it off.
39:39I don't think so either.
39:40right
39:40I think these have an impact on our internal
39:42In fact,
39:42That's the impact Apple has on us.
39:45The impact of branding is still quite large
39:46Of course, of course
39:46Because people who make products all over the world
39:48This is a mountain that cannot be circumvented.
39:50yes
39:51When they are talking about a lot of things
39:53Until today
39:54Of course, now everyone starts
39:56I started to doubt
39:58For example, the glass method
39:59We actually didn’t learn
40:00right
40:01I think that's a bit redundant.
40:03right
40:03Completely redundant
40:04Just for the sake of change
40:04I think so too
40:05Then
40:06I haven't even thought about readability.
40:08In such a big company, it is actually possible to pass
40:11yes
40:11right
40:12This is outrageous.
40:14Let's talk about traffic issues
40:15Have you ever had the concept of home when starting a business?
40:20For example, car and home
40:21Autohome
40:22Qianka Home
40:24right
40:24Then now a traditional business is almost regarded by the public
40:29It's a business car
40:30Also made into a home
40:31Just mega home
40:32right
40:33So I want to know
40:34As for your personal attitude towards family
40:37Have certain emotions that are stronger than ordinary people
40:40Still obsession
40:40Or what
40:41Do you have these things?
40:42Apart from commercial needs
40:44Or outside of positioning
40:45It’s actually a different stage.
40:47I think when I first started Graphics Card Home
40:49It's actually not as complicated as you think.
40:52right
40:52In fact, we were studying computer science at that time.
40:54Because at that time there was a PC home
40:55clear
40:56Then there is a very good website in Shanghai
40:57right
40:57Because the name sounds nice.
40:58right
40:59Then there is no need to re-educate users
41:01I didn't think so much at that time
41:02And then you are unlikely to
41:03A young man
41:04right
41:04Then the car family is also like this
41:06I didn't have a family at that time.
41:07What's this?
41:08Then do this
41:09Ideal car time
41:11Targeting home users
41:11At that time I already had
41:13In 2015
41:14I already have two children
41:15Have two children
41:15I had a few more children later.
41:17right
41:18so what
41:18This whole understanding will also
41:19Then it becomes more and more different
41:20Then I think on the other hand
41:22Maybe it's related to something.
41:24When I was little
41:25With parents
41:26Time is short
41:27When I was in elementary school
41:28I grew up with my grandparents.
41:29Then I started in junior high school
41:31To go to higher level
41:32For this special one
41:34This junior high school
41:35Then, I have been
41:36Live at my grandma's house
41:37right
41:38So the time I live with my parents
41:39Not much actually
41:40Started business at the age of 18
41:41Then what
41:42Soon I came to Beijing again
41:44Most of the time it's with my lover
41:46Then after getting married
41:48Then I found out
41:48Actually, the things at home are quite heavy.
41:50I don't think so either.
41:50What are you missing?
41:51But I found that home is
41:52It's a very, very precious thing.
41:55You are married
41:57This is my current wife
41:58And then until today
41:59Yes
41:59The relationship has always been good
42:01yes
42:01Our 2008
42:02Then I got the certificate
42:03Married in 2009
42:04Has been very stable
42:05yes
42:06And thanks to that time
42:07That change in shareholders
42:09Because I used to think
42:10My questions are
42:11The other half
42:12Now I think I can
42:13Through that reflection
42:14I've been reflecting on this all the way home.
42:16yes
42:16I think my relationship with my wife
42:18There is a very interesting thing
42:19Still benefit
42:20I just said that thing
42:21that is
42:22After I was with my wife
42:23I expressed a
42:25Very clear point of view
42:25I just need her
42:27Smoked from a distance
42:27She needs me
42:28oh
42:29And it's real
42:31This is also true
42:31I really think so
42:32I will tell her directly
42:33right
42:33I think this is actually
42:35One of our relationships
42:35A very important point
42:36And what about
42:37My wife
42:38Because she also hopes
42:39She is actually important to me.
42:41She can actually help me.
42:43And what about
42:45She's quite interesting.
42:46that is
42:46For example, me
42:47I work in the automotive industry
42:49right
42:49She is in the house every day
42:50But she is interested in the automotive industry
42:51Very understanding
42:52right
42:53She reads all kinds of news
42:54She looks at the financial reports of every company.
42:55Even many other car companies
42:56Things that happened
42:57It's all her
42:58Because I'm busy with work
42:59I often
43:00I don't pay much attention to other companies.
43:01She told me all the stories
43:02Then a lot of information
43:03She provided it
43:04What happened to other brands?
43:05Then the company's financial report
43:07What's going on?
43:07I think this is particularly interesting
43:08She'll also stuff some
43:10Useful to tell you
43:11right
43:11There is also such an effect
43:13Then you feel
43:14Some stressful times
43:14She knows
43:15But she doesn't tell you
43:15My
43:18that is
43:19My old ones
43:21What friends
43:21What
43:22They always thought
43:23I am
43:24Just found one
43:26My female fans
43:27But in fact
43:28I am at home
43:29basically
43:30What came out
43:30She doesn't interfere
43:31Family matters
43:32In fact, I am 100%
43:33I listened to her.
43:34So it forms
43:35Sometimes
43:36She'll disgust me.
43:37Say you go out
43:38Just pretend
43:39I am your fan
43:40Actually not at all
43:41This relationship
43:42So I think
43:43This is quite lucky.
43:45that is
43:46Didn't we talk about this just now?
43:47Many entrepreneurs
43:49This family
43:50This is not good.
43:52real
43:52She didn't
43:53The last one
43:54What we said
43:56Get familiar with
43:57It's also good to call it Harbor
43:58Whatever you call it
43:58There is no such thing
43:59It's actually true
44:00A particularly bitter thing
44:02right
44:02Because at home
44:03Also
44:03Everything at home
44:04My wife is the boss.
44:05Yes
44:05Then I earned money
44:06Then I also
44:07Give it to my wife
44:09This feels really good.
44:11What I saw was
44:13Our
44:14Mobile Internet
44:15ten years
44:15A lot of young men
44:16young girl
44:17What
44:18Catch up with the opportunities of the times
44:20Well done
44:21Then not
44:21Have you made a fortune?
44:22The divorce rate is also high
44:24Have you seen it?
44:25The divorce rate is particularly high
44:26Anyway
44:27The media sometimes
44:28Will dig these
44:29right
44:30In fact, many
44:31A lot
44:32actually
44:33Actually, it is like this
44:34right
44:35Because you are very successful
44:37entrepreneur
44:38Then gave birth
44:39When there are so many children
44:40Never thought about the future
44:41May appear
44:42The so-called wealthy courtyard
44:43That kind of thing
44:44Because we see
44:45Many successful entrepreneurs
44:46In his later years
44:47What are children for?
44:48Legacy
44:49Fighting fiercely
44:50This
44:51Isn't there one recently?
44:52right
44:52Have you thought about this?
44:54Not serious.
44:55To think about this problem
44:57I put this matter
44:58Give it to my wife.
44:58My wife since childhood
45:00Just educate our children
45:01Between brothers and sisters
45:02No fighting allowed
45:04The interests of the family must be protected
45:06Like them since childhood
45:07Instill these
45:07You to yourselves
45:09Impact on children
45:10Very confident
45:11Right
45:12These subtle influences
45:13Quite big actually.
45:14It really will
45:15It will affect their
45:17Sometimes the children are at home
45:18actually
45:19Will play and quarrel
45:20But after going out
45:21them
45:21Then
45:23Several children in a school
45:24They specially put a piece of board
45:25right
45:26I think this is actually
45:27It really needs to be influenced from a young age.
45:28Have you thought about
45:30If these ten years
45:31If you don't make cars
45:32Is it possible to do anything?
45:33I guess you were
45:35Before deciding to make a car
45:36Also considered several others
45:37No
45:39I haven't thought about this before.
45:40Never thought about it
45:41right
45:42Never thought about it
45:42You're making cars.
45:43In the process of own
45:44To the later stage
45:45I decided to make cars.
45:46Then think clearly
45:47Go forward
45:48There are not two or three
45:49An irresistible choice
45:51No
45:51Because even though I'm tired
45:52But actually
45:53Overall, I'm very happy
45:55right
45:55I actually think this
45:56It's a strong sense of happiness
45:58right
45:58Very happy
45:59The largest manufacturing industry is automobiles
46:01Next is mobile phone
46:02So really
46:03This is really industrial
46:05Exquisite pieces
46:06And you see
46:07Me and Li Bin and Xiaopeng
46:08We basically
46:10Then I see you once or twice a year
46:11Every time we see each other
46:12I feel
46:13We are getting older
46:14Have you thought about retirement?
46:16Never thought about it
46:19I probably never thought about it
46:20I really never thought about it
46:20right
46:21So I think this is not a good question.
46:22I'm asked at this age
46:24This question is reasonable
46:25Every stage
46:25Actually, it’s not the same
46:26Sometimes you see
46:27Jack Ma retired quite early
46:28You think it's good
46:29Should I be in my fifties?
46:31I started retiring in my fifties.
46:33Including the death of Steve Jobs
46:34Going so early
46:34Died at the age of fifty-five
46:36He was forced.
46:37right
46:37Then
46:38right
46:38Then what about the other side?
46:39actually
46:40I think it's changing too.
46:42Then today you saw
46:43In fact, like Huang Renxun
46:44Over sixty years old
46:45Still working here
46:46Still working so hard
46:48That return is good.
46:48And I saw around me
46:50Some people who retired early
46:51Doesn't seem so happy
46:52certainly
46:53Is to be content with being happy
46:56No contribution and sense of accomplishment
46:59People who live happily
47:00In fact, from the perspective of genetic probability, it is extremely rare
47:02yes
47:02Including Ma Yun's recent return to Alibaba
47:05He feels very happy
47:06right
47:06Look at him appearing in the media.
47:08Very happy expression
47:08yes
47:08I know that
47:10That's definitely not fake.
47:11right
47:11certainly
47:11So I said
47:12Maybe work is my life.
47:14Because I'm usually fine.
47:17I should be with the kids.
47:18I should be with my lover.
47:20You should have your own friends and your own good friends
47:21So the work is not a burden to the staff
47:23It's a very happy thing
47:25And every day with classmates
47:26Very happy
47:27certainly
47:27But I want to say
47:28Do you think it's like running a technology company?
47:30The person in charge of such things
47:31Can you work until you are in your seventies or eighties?
47:33I think I may have only one criterion.
47:35I am not a burden to this company.
47:36I use this as a criterion for judgment
47:38What if I am a burden to the company?
47:40Are you still qualified for this position?
47:41right
47:42I should
47:42clear
47:43Withdraw the auction with the wisdom of self-government
47:44clear
47:44Then I feel I have the ability to govern myself
47:46Just follow
47:46Actually, I think Qin Zhi was stronger than me at that time
47:48I just
47:48I stepped down from CEO to president
47:50He rose from president to CEO
47:51I think I have this understanding.
47:53You are now on the team
47:54Haven't found a second Qin Zhi yet
47:56not yet
47:59right
47:59Because cars are still dominated by super products.
48:01clear
48:02right
48:02Speaking of this, I would like to ask a supplementary question
48:04Do you think that besides you
48:06Among the bosses of China's new wave of car-making startups
48:10Who is also a super product manager type of boss?
48:14Lei Jun
48:14This of course
48:16right
48:16It's Lei Jun
48:17yes
48:17You two are the only ones who really understand the product.
48:20or
48:20Or can make a super product
48:22yes
48:22This is totally the same
48:24In fact, it is
48:25You are developing a car
48:26How long have you spent on this car?
48:27There are no shortcuts
48:28Of course you have to be skilled.
48:30You have to spend time
48:31It's useless just to pay
48:33He has to be half and half
48:35You have to be a genius product manager
48:37Plus an unreserved dedication
48:40To put it bluntly
48:41You are at work
48:42It has to be a state
48:43You have to follow
48:43Then the design team
48:45With the R&D team
48:46Talk to the product team
48:47Living together
48:48Rather than saying
48:49I'm a boss
48:50Regularly
48:51I'll do a review.
48:52This definitely won't work.
48:53This definitely won't work.
48:54Those who only rely on their old capital
48:57Old World
48:58Those in oil trucks
48:59The old bosses
49:00Only then is it possible
49:01When Lei Jun announced that he would build a car
49:03Have you ever been nervous?
49:04Never been nervous
49:05And indeed
49:06Lei Jun also called me specifically
49:07Lei Jun also talked to me
49:08I also called at that time
49:08It was during the epidemic.
49:10Then Lei Jun
49:11Then that time left the deepest impression on me
49:13We talked on the phone for nearly two hours.
49:15This is because I have an interview later.
49:16So he kept pulling
49:17I kept postponing the interview.
49:19It was an interview at midnight.
49:20Yes, because of that person
49:22That person is overseas
49:22We are interviewing an overseas employee
49:24He asked me at that time
49:26Thoughts on Tesla
49:27Then what about BYD?
49:29Views on Huawei
49:30Then we talked for a long time
49:32Then finally he said
49:34Ideally, give me one
49:36You only give me one suggestion
49:37How would you give
49:38I said I'm looking for any agent.
49:40yourself
49:41You all in
49:42Then it will become
49:43That was the only advice I gave him at the time.
49:45But
49:47When we encountered many things later
49:49In fact, Lei Jun and his team are helping us.
49:51He helped you.
49:52He helped us a lot.
49:53I guess before you get out of the car
49:56He might have suspected
49:58Because they came from traditional Internet companies
50:00There are indeed few people who can make hardware
50:03At the beginning
50:04Okay, let's do this first.
50:06Don't be late
50:07Thanks
50:09You're in great shape throughout.
50:11We're both here.
50:12It's ready
50:13I'll take the photo
50:14farewell
50:15Thieves' Army
50:17Thief Army Team
50:17Thief Army Team
50:18A little bit
50:19A little bit
50:20Very thick
50:20filling
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