00:00 Hello and welcome to Binge Watch where this week we're setting our sights on the silver
00:16 screen and this year's Oscars. I'm joined by culture reporters Annabelle Nugent and
00:21 Adam White.
00:22 Hello.
00:23 Hello.
00:24 We're going to be delving into our predictions for what films might win the top prizes, our
00:29 personal favourites and of course the snubs and surprises that may lay in store.
00:33 How about because this is the most important thing to ever happen in the history of the
00:37 world.
00:38 The fierce competition this year.
00:40 Best actor now we go on to where we have, well it's Giamatti versus Murphy really. So
00:44 Paul Giamatti for The Holdovers, Cillian Murphy for Oppenheimer, Jeffrey Wright for American
00:49 Fiction, Coleman Domingo for Rustin and Bradley Cooper for the film I will not mention. Maestro,
00:58 what are we thinking? Giamatti v Murphy. Place your bets.
01:03 Yes.
01:04 Yes to both.
01:05 Place your bets. You want both? Share it.
01:07 Rip it in half.
01:08 That would be great.
01:09 Rip it in half.
01:10 That would be like a great end to an awards season.
01:12 It would be.
01:13 It's annoying because they're both like very, maybe they're quite similar, very interior
01:18 performances that are not like big and showy. Unlike a certain Bradley Cooper who is doing
01:24 the most.
01:25 I love people so much that it's hard for me to be alone.
01:29 Can you want an Oscar too much? And that is what's happening here.
01:33 I've got a feeling though because he's been very quiet now awards season is in full gear.
01:37 He's at these ceremonies but nothing's censored around him and he's kind of like this just
01:41 odd presence imagining this like alternate history where he's like getting up on stage.
01:46 I think he's been a bit humbled and has realised that he's gone a bit too hard and I think
01:50 this might be a good turning point for him going forwards.
01:53 One can hope.
01:54 One can hope.
01:55 It's weird. I think it's like it's an Oscars of two halves because I think you get these
02:02 films that are quite like interesting and unusual that are things like Oppenheimer which
02:08 is not kind of conventional in many ways and then you have stuff like Zone of Interest
02:13 and even Anatomy of a Fool I think is quite unique in what it's doing.
02:17 But then you have movies like Rustin and you have movies like Maestro that are just very,
02:21 very conventional biopics revolving around one kind of central big performance and I
02:29 think that those performances are getting a bit lost in the shuffle which I think is
02:33 probably a good thing because most of the time they're quite boring.
02:38 It's like that classic thing isn't it, we'll come to it with Best Actress as well, there's
02:41 one there this year where a film gets nominated that kind of has no place being nominated
02:48 but because of the performance which essentially just carries the film.
02:51 That's the only reason to watch the film.
02:54 Yeah, Coleman Domingo is one of them.
02:56 I'm glad, he's great though.
02:57 He's obviously been working so hard for so long and it means a lot to him.
03:01 It's nice when you see a nomination mean so much to someone isn't it?
03:04 With Giamatti and Murphy, what is quite interesting is I think there's been this kind of, and
03:08 I'm very responsible as well in this, is Paul Giamatti is this kind of Hollywood heavyweight
03:15 kind of has been turning in his supporting roles for a long, long time and he's only
03:20 ever got one nomination for Cinderella Man, didn't get one for Sideways which is insane
03:23 and here he is, now this is his moment.
03:25 However, Cillian Murphy, very similar trajectory so doesn't deserve any less but what's your
03:33 feelings on how the Academy will go?
03:37 I guess I'm asking you to predict who's going to win out of them two.
03:42 I think weirdly Cillian Murphy has this kind of reputation of being sort of new.
03:47 There's loads of articles and interviews where they frame him almost as this kind of, who
03:53 is this man?
03:54 Where does he come from?
03:56 I'm guessing it's like an American thing but he has been in big American films for like
04:02 two decades at least but there's this idea that he's kind of arrived and this is his
04:06 time and I think maybe Paul Giamatti might be almost too familiar by now so there's not
04:12 so much a sense of give that to that man, he deserves it which is strange.
04:17 I can't fail this class.
04:18 Oh, don't sell yourself short Mr. Coates, I truly believe that you can.
04:21 It's an interesting one because Paul Giamatti for me in the holdovers, it seems to be the
04:25 more kind of Oscar-y role in terms of what they like to give it to and Oppenheimer is
04:33 obviously so technically impressive and impressive in other ways that they might be distracted
04:37 by that but it does, like the Screen Actors Guild Award went the way of Cillian Murphy
04:41 which seems to be a big precursor.
04:44 And Baftas.
04:45 And obviously the Baftas which was less surprising but also like, oh okay, it's going this way.
04:52 So it seems like it's going Murphy's way, Cillian's way which is great, victory for
04:56 the Irish but Paul Giamatti, I feel like he will never win one if he doesn't win it for
05:02 him.
05:03 That's quite sad, yeah.
05:04 Yeah.
05:05 If it's like now or never.
05:06 Yeah, that's what it feels like but maybe it ain't.
05:07 Maybe we're just getting caught up in the fever of it all.
05:10 Yeah.
05:11 I'll be a bit annoyed because I feel like if Paul Giamatti wins, because everyone has
05:15 seen Oppenheimer and because the holdovers, if you haven't seen the holdovers, it has
05:20 this kind of vibe, it has a bad trailer, I remember that quite vividly.
05:24 The trailer is quite hokey and strange.
05:27 They're known as the holdovers.
05:29 I feel like if you haven't seen the holdovers and then Paul Giamatti wins, I can sense a
05:34 kind of backlash against that win where it would be kind of, this movie's really boring
05:39 and this is a boring performance and then Cillian Murphy is this like deeply intense
05:44 centre of this giant film and that would be a massive shame.
05:47 I don't think it's going to happen.
05:48 I think Cillian Murphy kind of has it in the bag but if Paul Giamatti wins, I don't want
05:52 it to be a Jamie Lee Curtis thing and I worry that it will be where it's kind of, that was
05:57 a mess.
05:58 Why did they do that?
05:59 I don't like that.
06:00 Yeah, I hear what you mean.
06:02 That would be a shame for that film to have such a, or that performance have a backlash.
06:06 Alright, so who do you want and who do you think?
06:12 I think Cillian Murphy.
06:15 I think I want Paul Giamatti just because you said now or never.
06:19 Yeah.
06:20 That I'd be happy to be there.
06:23 He'll get a consolation in an Albuquerque though, that's for sure, if he loses.
06:27 That's true.
06:28 Yeah, he loses anyhow.
06:29 What about you?
06:30 I would probably say the same.
06:31 I think it's likely to be Cillian.
06:33 Although I'm not, I don't agree with the whole never going to win thing.
06:36 I feel like he has like best supporting actor 2030.
06:40 But leading.
06:41 Yeah, I can't see that happening.
06:45 He'll get a Cinderella man once again and then he'll get the Oscar.
06:49 I don't think anyone deserves it more but I would say at this stage, I think Cillian
06:54 Murphy is going to win and I would actually, I'd be really happy to see Paul Giamatti win.
07:00 I find the world a bitter and complicated place and it seems to feel the same way about
07:05 me.
07:06 I think you and I have this in common.
07:08 Best actress now where we have Sandra Hula for Anatomy of a Fool, Lily Gladstone for
07:14 Killers of the Flower Moon, Emma Stone for Poor Things, Annette Bening for Nyad and Carrie
07:20 Mulligan for Maestro.
07:22 It's like a two horse race it feels between Gladstone and Stone.
07:26 So whoever wins will have Stone in their name.
07:30 I like that.
07:31 Hilarious.
07:32 You didn't like that?
07:33 Yeah, I think it's a two horse race between them.
07:34 Again, Lily Gladstone didn't get nominated for a BAFTA which hurt her chances but then
07:38 she won Screen Actors Guild and I think Emma Stone even seems almost like she doesn't want
07:42 to be winning this one.
07:44 I think she loves Lily Gladstone.
07:46 You've seen it on the circuit I think and her reaction when Lily won Screen Actors Guild.
07:50 She was so excited.
07:51 I didn't know it was a two horse race.
07:54 Do we think there's a little outside bit from Adam's favourite?
07:58 Yeah, I would want Sandra Hula to win.
08:00 I think that's the strongest performance there.
08:03 I agree with that.
08:04 Do we think Oscar voters are going to go that way though?
08:07 My theory is that a few years ago everyone just assumed that Glenn Close would win for
08:13 The Wife.
08:14 Does anyone remember The Wife?
08:16 It was the Rustin of 2020 and everyone was like, 'Oh, she's never had a win.
08:24 It'll be Glenn Close.'
08:26 And it was Olivia Colman who swept in very, very unexpectedly.
08:30 The favourite.
08:31 Yeah, it was a really lovely surprise win that even she seemed very, very surprised by.
08:37 Oh, thank you so much, Lady Gaga.
08:40 Like a part of me thinks that Sandra Hula potentially could be that person.
08:46 I'd love that.
08:47 That'd be the man of the night.
08:48 And people would be more baffled by it than anything.
08:51 But I wouldn't be completely floored if she did sweep in at the last minute.
08:55 I don't know if that's a mad hypothesis.
08:58 She's just phenomenal in it.
08:59 She's brilliant.
09:00 She's so good.
09:01 And obviously she was in his own vintage as well.
09:02 Yeah, it feels like her year.
09:03 You complain about the life that you chose.
09:06 You're not a victim.
09:07 Not at all.
09:08 Be fair.
09:09 I'm a man who's been cheated on.
09:10 I just reduced it to Lily Gladstone versus Emma Stone, which is a toss-up, I thought,
09:15 but now you've really excited me.
09:17 I think because Emma Stone, I think it's an amazing performance, but that film is quite
09:22 difficult.
09:23 There are many people that would find it way too sexual, way too experimental, which I
09:30 think might potentially be an issue for her winning.
09:34 And even Killers of the Flower Moon, I think there isn't a love for that film.
09:38 It's kind of what you were saying earlier.
09:40 There isn't this kind of rabid passion behind it.
09:42 And as good as Lily Gladstone is in that movie, I think she's...
09:45 It's an amazing performance.
09:47 She's probably not in it that much.
09:49 Compared to those other two performances, she's kind of more of an ambiguous presence
09:54 in it.
09:55 And it's a great presence, but it's not relentless.
09:58 I agree with that.
09:59 I think the film does have dirty with it.
10:00 And it's the nature of the plot, but it's also the nature of the way that they've basically
10:06 scented Leonardo DiCaprio.
10:09 As much as they say they haven't, which they were really banging that drum, they have.
10:13 And Lily Gladstone does fall by the wayside as the film goes on, which is why I think
10:18 it would be, for me, an underwhelming win.
10:20 Why did you come here?
10:21 Interesting.
10:22 It's an interesting racist one.
10:24 It's an exciting one.
10:25 In fact, the acting ones this year, say for a supporting actress, is really kind of...
10:31 It could be anyone's.
10:32 Alright, so we want Sandra Hoola to win.
10:36 And we think this is exciting.
10:39 Who do you think will win?
10:41 I think it will be Lily Gladstone.
10:43 I also think it will be Lily Gladstone.
10:45 I think that's more likely.
10:47 I think it will be Emma Stone.
10:48 I think Emma Stone is going to give us the beach where she feels like, "I shouldn't have
10:53 won this," which has been the theme of the awards season.
10:55 Bella.
10:56 Oh!
10:57 Bud.
10:58 Blood.
10:59 Blood.
11:00 Blood.
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