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In this episode of Daddies, hosts Rob Stott and Marcus Hurley get real about the non-stop balancing act of modern fatherhood. Rob details his household's month-long nightmare of back-to-back daycare illnesses (from flu and gastro to head lice) and shares a terrifying late-night scare with his daughter, Billy. Meanwhile, Marcus opens up about navigating single-dad guilt as he prepares for a trip to Greece, the financial trap of over-gifting, and how he handles family dynamics across two household
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00:00Rational fears.
00:01Mm-hmm.
00:02I thought Billy died last night.
00:04There you go.
00:05Yeah, only briefly.
00:08Hello and welcome to Daddy's, a podcast about life on the other side of fatherhood.
00:13My name is Rob.
00:14I'm the editor-in-chief of Man of Many and I'm a tired dad.
00:18Who are you?
00:19I'm Marcus and I'm here because I'm a dad.
00:22There's no other reason I don't have a title like editor-in-chief.
00:25That's very impressive.
00:27Thanks.
00:27I've definitely got to think you're the impressive one.
00:28We run just the ring in until they hear me.
00:31I'm okay with it.
00:32Should we get ready to go?
00:33Let's go.
00:34Let's do it.
00:35How was your week?
00:36Mine?
00:36Yeah.
00:37No, I want to hear about yours because I've seen you every day this week and I think you
00:42look great today.
00:44There have been moments throughout the week where I've looked at you.
00:48Yeah.
00:49I've been there.
00:50It's been a rough day.
00:50Yeah.
00:51What's going on, Rob?
00:52Oh, look, we are a house of illness at the moment.
00:56Actually, not at the moment.
00:57We seem to be, well, I mean, knock on wood, past it.
01:00Um, but in the last month in my house, we've had a flu, gastro, a mystery virus, a mystery
01:10rash, uh, head lice.
01:13Like, is this all of you?
01:15Uh, most of that is Billie.
01:17Some of that has spread to others.
01:20Well, it reminds me of when, um, my daughter first started going to daycare and there'd
01:25be that, um, well, yeah.
01:27And it's like, you build up, like looking back, you go, oh, building up her immune system.
01:31It's great.
01:32Sure.
01:32Um, but it was the kind of one week on, one week off thing.
01:37She'd have it, whatever it was and you'd be capable of looking after her and then she'd
01:43get better, but then the parents would, then the parents get it and get it.
01:47And then they're sick, having to look after a bubbly little girl.
01:51Um, and that continued to continue, but then it got to a point where it just kind of stopped.
01:57Like I get emails from daycare saying, oh, there's this one child with foot and mouth
02:02or one child with insert disease here.
02:05Um, Bino doesn't get it anymore.
02:07In fact, we had had a good run cause we had a very rough time when she started daycare.
02:12A very, very rough time.
02:13When did she start daycare?
02:14Pretty early.
02:15Uh, I found it so weird sending Bino to daycare at six months.
02:20You know, um, we, I remember sitting around with like the other moms in the,
02:26the other moms as if I'm a mom, um, the moms in the parents group talking about this and
02:30the mom saying like, oh, I just feel, I feel, I feel terrible leaving them at daycare every
02:34day.
02:35I did not.
02:37I was like, I love you.
02:39Have a lovely day.
02:40Yeah.
02:41No fair.
02:41Yeah.
02:42No.
02:42And she got, she, you know, we got everything at the start as you do, as everyone does.
02:45And everyone warns you about how hard it is and you go, yeah, sure.
02:48Whatever.
02:48I've had a cold before.
02:49How hard could it be?
02:50It's so much harder than you imagine.
02:53But then we had a really good run.
02:54But this month it's been back to back.
02:56It's not been one week on one week off.
02:58It's been one week on one day off and I am dead.
03:03I mean, I might be hard to pick the worst, but what's the worst kind of element as part
03:10of that situation?
03:13Because it's been back to back and it's been literally a month, uh, it's just the boredom
03:19more than anything else.
03:20Cause we've just had to sit on the couch.
03:22Like it's, and it's been weekends as well.
03:23So it's like, she goes to daycare during the week.
03:26We go to, we go to work during the week and then you look forward to the weekend because
03:30this is where you get to, this is where all that work pays off to have the quality time.
03:34And we've just spent the last four weekends on the couch.
03:37She's bored.
03:38We're bored.
03:39What have you been watching?
03:41Oh, the worst stuff imaginable.
03:44Like whatever she wants.
03:45Beano's into YouTube at the moment.
03:47And I know like it's, it's, it's an interesting place out there.
03:51Like I love Bluey.
03:52She went through a Bluey stage and that I'm all for that.
03:55Um, but I mean, there's some weird YouTube stuff out there.
03:59You just kind of, kind of like, I can't sit there with her and watch it because it is
04:03just so mindless.
04:06Yeah.
04:06Yeah.
04:07Um, you asked me how my week, how was your week?
04:10Um, it's been a good week.
04:11It's been a bit tough, if I'm honest.
04:13Go on.
04:14Um, well in approximately, okay.
04:18So math, seven hours and 50 minutes, I'll be taking off on a holiday to Greece.
04:25I knew that.
04:26Yeah.
04:27Um, which I'm very much looking forward to, but it has been, it's been an interesting
04:33kind of lead up, getting messages from Beano's mom saying, ah, um, a few tears from Beano
04:39today because she's going to miss you and that kind of thing.
04:43Which obviously hurts her.
04:45And it just raises that.
04:46It feels a little bit good.
04:48What?
04:48That she's crying.
04:49Not that she's crying, but that she'll miss you.
04:51Oh yeah, definitely.
04:52Yeah.
04:53Yeah.
04:53It is true.
04:54And like more and more as she gets older, I'm beginning to think, oh, this little person
04:59loves me.
04:59Um, but there is, I had her on Wednesday night and it was fine.
05:09Like it was my last night with her for a couple of weeks and just tried to treat it like
05:13a
05:13normal week.
05:14Didn't want to kind of drive home.
05:16Oh, we're going to miss you so much.
05:17And cause I didn't want her to then start reacting and get sad.
05:21Um, but she did say a few times, I don't want you to go.
05:25And so I have promised that I will take her on a holiday when I get back.
05:30Now, this is my kind of confession.
05:32In my mind, a holiday with my nearly five-year-old is not to Greece.
05:38It's to Molly Mook.
05:39I once talked about-
05:40The Greece of the South Coast.
05:41Yeah.
05:41The Greece of the South Coast, which would be lovely.
05:43And it's all about the quality time together.
05:46But it, it really drives home that, okay, single man, single dad, I'm going with a bunch of
05:54mates and it'll be an epic time, but a holiday with a five-year-old is completely different.
06:00Different thing.
06:01Um, and so there is, there, there has been a little bit of guilt there, but then when I
06:05dropped her off at daycare and kind of said goodbye, she was like, there's days where she
06:09just hugs and hugs and hugs, but dropped her off, not going to see her for two and a
06:13bit weeks and she was just like, whoop, see ya.
06:16We're going to talk about balance today.
06:19Life balance.
06:20Yeah.
06:20How do you balance, uh, being a dad with family, with work, with health and fitness, with
06:26money, um, all those things.
06:28And I think what I was talking about before, which kind of led me to what I am about to
06:32say is the balance with, we were talking about those kinds of traditional, um, families
06:40and the kind of experiences that I had growing up.
06:43Um, and Bino, she gets that to a certain extent, but I feel like I'm dropping the
06:50ball proverbially, um, cousins and family and making an effort to go, Hey, big sister,
07:01what are you doing?
07:02She has two little boys that are around Bino's age.
07:06Um, let's hang out.
07:08Um, I know that my co-parent, ex-wife, whatever we want to refer to her as, um, lovely woman.
07:15Um, I should, I should say she does very well with this.
07:22She's got a very tight knit family.
07:24Um, and I know Bino was, or she's down, um, with, uh, the other side of the family at the
07:30moment, um, over the weekend that she's got about seven cousins on that side.
07:34And so whenever I'm with her, she tells me stories about spending time with cousins.
07:39And I feel like either I'm too busy or I'm not making time or whatever it might be.
07:44And I'm not going, I'm not organizing those kinds of meetups.
07:49Um, which I think is, is great.
07:52We all feel that though, don't we?
07:54Well, yeah.
07:54Something's got to give.
07:55Right.
07:56And when I've got her for the weekend, like every Sunday night after a weekend with Bino,
08:03we are exhausted.
08:05Yeah.
08:05Because it's like, I'm trying to double down on the time that I have with her.
08:09And so we, we went bowling last weekend with one of her friends.
08:13Yeah.
08:16It's funny you say that.
08:17I won.
08:18Yeah, good.
08:19But she should.
08:20Um, we, I had an agreement and I'm really sorry, Bino, if you're listening to this in a
08:24couple of years, uh, uh, her friends, parents and I made an agreement.
08:29They're just like, well, look, they're learning numbers, but they don't quite understand the
08:33scoring system.
08:34Let's just tell them they both won.
08:36Smart.
08:37And there was part of me going, oh, but it's kind of like Santa and the Easter Bunny and
08:42the Tooth Fairy, right?
08:42Like.
08:43What about them?
08:45Like how amazing they are.
08:46Yeah.
08:47Um, and they make you feel like you've won.
08:49Yeah.
08:49Yeah.
08:49Let's talk about work.
08:51Sure.
08:52Is that a good one?
08:52Yeah.
08:53Like, cause a lot of people kind of go, oh, when I, like when you were dropping off,
08:58uh, Billy at daycare, you were like, and I heard before Bino was born, oh yeah, work
09:04is like a holiday from being a parent.
09:06Is that how you.
09:08Uh, no, not at all.
09:10Work is not a holiday from being a parent.
09:11Work is the thing I have to do to be a parent.
09:13Yeah.
09:14Right.
09:14Yeah.
09:15I had, uh, I mean, you want to talk about balance.
09:18Like the only time I think I've had actual balance in my life was when I was unemployed
09:23last year.
09:23I was unemployed for three months and it was the best three months of my life.
09:27Um, which, you know, it's a big statement.
09:30It's a big, well, yeah, you know, it's a, you know, it's a privilege to be able to be
09:34unemployed for three months.
09:35But, um, I was fit and healthy.
09:39I lost weight.
09:40I was in great shape.
09:41God, I looked good.
09:42Uh, that's all gone.
09:43You look great today.
09:44Well, not as good as I did six months ago.
09:46So I've been in this job for six months now and I love this job, but it's a job that
09:50requires
09:50me to work pretty hard.
09:52Previous jobs, since Billy's been born, I've had other jobs that have been like the kind
09:56of jobs that I can just leave at the end of the day and switch off completely and not
10:00think about them.
10:01They're like, I had my tasks for the day.
10:03I did the, I was done.
10:04This is a job where I have to think all the time and there's constantly stuff going
10:09around in my head, which is hard.
10:10Like I definitely find I'm, you know, when I was unemployed, I was able to like do the
10:18washing, vacuum, prepare the meals, do all the groceries, get all that stuff done during
10:23the week.
10:24And then weekends were just free to spend quality time together and to live.
10:28And it was great.
10:29And now it's like weekends are for catching up on all the stuff we didn't do during the
10:33week, which, you know, can be pretty exhausting.
10:36It is exhausting.
10:37And I, when I leave work, I'll leave work on the dot.
10:43Me too.
10:44Because I need to go.
10:45That's something that's changed since having kids.
10:46Yeah.
10:46I used to stay back all the time.
10:48Yeah.
10:48Not anymore.
10:48And like, cause I need to be there to pick up my daughter.
10:51You have no choice.
10:52We've got a set amount of time between picking up and bedtime where we've got things to achieve
10:57whilst trying to have that quality time.
11:00And you mentioned like doing the washing and the vacuuming or whatever it might be.
11:04I find, unfortunately, and I could probably change this, but a lot of my time when I'm
11:10with Bino, especially on a weeknight is, okay, get her food.
11:16And then while she's eating, I'll do the washing.
11:19I'll do this.
11:20I'll do that.
11:21And I, so I find myself kind of just getting into this robotic kind of state.
11:25Yes.
11:25And she'll ask me a question and I'll be half kind of listening while I'm unpacking the
11:29dishwasher or whatever it might be.
11:31Um, and look, I'm not complaining, but like, I suppose if I had a partner, there would be
11:36a little bit of joint effort there, um, but I'm the kind of person who can't go to
11:41sleep unless my apartment is rather tidy.
11:43Um, I don't have that problem.
11:45You don't have that problem?
11:46No.
11:46Really?
11:47No, no.
11:47How do you live?
11:48It feels.
11:51That's why she's been sick for a month.
11:53So Rob.
11:54Yes.
11:55We were talking about Greece before.
11:57Um, and do you know what reminds me of Greece?
11:59Go on.
12:00Money, money, money by ABBA.
12:03Yes.
12:03Like, like there's the Mamma Mia musical.
12:05I think Greece and I'm going to Greece.
12:07Uh huh.
12:08Yeah.
12:08Anyway, let's talk about money.
12:09That was, that was beautiful.
12:10That was really good.
12:11Um, I feel like I'm becoming the stereotypical single dad.
12:16How so?
12:17Picked up Beno the other day.
12:19Mm hmm.
12:19Walked through our door.
12:20Mm hmm.
12:21Daddy, do you have a present for me?
12:23Yeah.
12:24Yeah.
12:26Because the idea of going to the Lego store and buying Beno some Lego that we can build
12:32together and it's a quality time and a moment, um, is appealing to me and Lego is very expensive.
12:38But I think I'm kind of trending towards daddy, I want a pony kind of deal.
12:44Mm hmm.
12:44And she's always very grateful like, and to see her face kind of light up and, um, she's like, thank
12:50you.
12:51I love it is like, but the expectation now is every long stint that I have with her, there will
12:59be a gift.
13:00Yeah.
13:00But she's also getting to the age where she's playing with all the gifts that I previously got her that
13:04she wasn't playing with.
13:05And she's now finding them interesting.
13:07Mm hmm.
13:08So I don't know if that's a sit down chat and go, Hey, Beno.
13:12I don't always get a gift.
13:13No.
13:13It's like Billy asks for a treat after daycare every day.
13:15It's like, well, if you have a treat every day, cause there's a Woolies just next to daycare.
13:19So she knows she can go in there and like get a little chalky.
13:21And she does sometimes cause I spoil her, uh, it's like, well, Billy, if you're getting a treat every day,
13:26it's no longer a treat.
13:27It's just part of the routine.
13:28Yeah.
13:29Fair enough.
13:29Anyway.
13:30Um, and, um, on money, I mean, you're, you're earning that big kind of editor in chief money.
13:36Yeah.
13:37Famously a lot of money in digital publishing.
13:40Um, you're good though, right?
13:43Uh, yeah.
13:44Yeah.
13:44Yeah.
13:44We have a budget now, which is something we never did before.
13:48Yeah.
13:48Like I'm not spending all of my money on presents, but like there are moments where I look at the
13:53bank account.
13:54I'm like, Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have spent $500 at the Lego store.
13:57500.
13:58That's a lot.
13:59Yeah.
13:59You mentioned budget.
14:00If you could teach me after this, how to do a budget.
14:02I wish I could teach you, but to be honest, it's my husband who drives that pretty.
14:08Yeah.
14:08That's his domain.
14:09He, he tells me what to do and I do it.
14:11Uh, but it has been good.
14:13It's been, it's been useful actually having a budget.
14:15I strongly recommend it.
14:16Yeah.
14:16We do, uh, this is speaking of balance.
14:19We do a monthly budget date night where we put Billy to bed.
14:24Uh, well I put Billy to bed while my husband goes through the spreadsheets and does like all of the
14:30heavy lifting.
14:31Rob, what is this?
14:32What is this?
14:33What is this?
14:33What is this?
14:34Uh, and then we just go through our finances for the last month and try to plan ahead.
14:39And it has actually been a bit of a game changer.
14:42I've had moments in my life where I've sat down and done that and I'm like, oh, I'm set.
14:47But like the consistency behind it, not great.
14:51And when, especially in the last few months when we've been both been very busy, it has fallen off.
14:56Like we did it this week, uh, but we hadn't done it for about three months before that.
15:01But I, I recommend it.
15:03It's been very useful.
15:04So I'm not complaining.
15:06Uh, I'm, I'm a single man.
15:09I don't have that brain's trust around that.
15:11Yeah, that makes a big difference.
15:13Um, and I imagine that, I don't know, a couple would like, you've got strengths here and the other person
15:19got strengths there and they're not coming together.
15:21Finances are not my strength.
15:23Um, like I look at my shoe collection and I shouldn't have a shoe collection.
15:30No.
15:30But thank goodness I don't have a partner because if they were to ever move in, I'd have no place
15:36to put my shoes.
15:37But me being bad with finances doesn't necessarily mean that I can't instill some kind of financial responsibility on my
15:46daughter.
15:46Right?
15:46Sure.
15:47Yeah.
15:47Yeah.
15:48How?
15:48Well, I mean, if she sees me spending all the time, well, I don't know, but like chores, uh, chores
15:56for pocket money or saving for things.
15:59Someone gave my daughter $50 the other day.
16:0250?
16:03Yeah.
16:03And they say that a good, well, they say that a good deed doesn't count if you tell people what
16:08the good deed was.
16:09Uh huh.
16:09But Sabrina and I helped somebody change the car tire.
16:13Yep.
16:13And the lady was very grateful.
16:16And she slung you a 50?
16:17Slung my daughter a 50.
16:19Lucky being.
16:19Um, which I think was supposed to come to me anyway.
16:22I would have loved that much.
16:23What's she doing with the 50?
16:24Well, we went shopping at Kmart.
16:27Did you spend it all?
16:29Well, she had, she had the $50.
16:32The two things she wanted was above $50.
16:34And we were at a kind of self checkout thing and there was no money slot.
16:38So I was like, I'll pay for that.
16:40So she still has, so she still has the $50.
16:43So we've put it in her bank account.
16:45Okay.
16:45Um, so, but not her bank account, her piggy bank.
16:48She doesn't have a bank account.
16:49Should she?
16:51We, speaking of, we have, I mean, Billy's too young for pocket money.
16:55We probably will do that at some point.
16:57Like I've heard, I've, I've read about these things where you can get like a little piggy bank that's got
17:01like sections, one for spending, one for saving.
17:05Oh.
17:06And one for charity.
17:07Charity.
17:08Yeah.
17:08Wow.
17:09To teach the value of money, which I don't mind.
17:11I don't think, uh, you know, understands.
17:12I don't think she even knows what charity is.
17:15I've tried to explain it.
17:16Have you?
17:16Yeah.
17:17You're a good dad.
17:18Well, cause we like, I, we'll give a gift under the like wishing tree at Kmart at Christmas to some
17:22kid who doesn't have it.
17:23Are you like the perfect, like I want to see your Santa photos.
17:26Cause they're probably, they're pretty good.
17:27They are pretty good.
17:28There's something about being gay dads.
17:29We're actually doing everything.
17:30Um, but you know what?
17:33We also have, and this was part of the budgeting process.
17:36Uh, we, um, set up like a little bank account for Billy.
17:40Uh, that's like, I can't remember what it's called.
17:43Is it like the Dolomites that ComBank used to have?
17:46Well, kind of, but like, you know, a very 2026 version where it like, it's investing on her behalf and,
17:52you know, the interest is like compounding.
17:54And in theory, by the time, the idea is that like, you know, she'll turn 20 and there'll be like
17:59a decent, not a million, but there'll be a decent pot of money in there for her.
18:04I mean, that's solid.
18:05I think I've had that idea and gone to do it, but then went to the Lego store instead.
18:10Um, very irresponsible.
18:11That's an investment in a way.
18:13If we can sit down, can I come to your next budgeting knot with you and your husband?
18:17Yeah.
18:18And then he can create a, a tab for me.
18:21A little Marcus tab.
18:22I'm sure.
18:22Yeah.
18:23Come on over.
18:23Maybe we'll just move in.
18:24Yeah.
18:25If you want.
18:25Why not?
18:25Yeah.
18:26Cool.
18:26I mean, traditional families are dead.
18:28Yeah.
18:28Yeah.
18:28Let's.
18:29You and I won't.
18:30Come on.
18:30I love that.
18:31Rob, I've been trying to think of a way to close this out that can somehow allow me to talk
18:36about Grease again.
18:37Yeah.
18:38And an Abba song, but I can't think of it.
18:40So what we're going to talk about, bring this home, you know, like make it a really nice, lovely way
18:45to finish.
18:46Yeah.
18:46For rational fears.
18:48Mm-hmm.
18:48I thought Billy died last night.
18:50There you go.
18:51Yeah.
18:51Perfect.
18:52Only briefly.
18:53Oh, well, not perfect that you thought.
18:54Like none of what you just said is perfect.
18:56About half an hour after I put her to bed, I open my phone, check the camera.
19:00Just, you know, just.
19:01Do you still use a camera?
19:02Yeah.
19:02Still got a camera in the room.
19:03Yeah.
19:04Like how big is your house?
19:06Well, you know, I don't know.
19:07She's on the fourth floor.
19:08She's upstairs.
19:09I'm downstairs.
19:10Yeah.
19:10That's, you know.
19:11So I looked at the camera and she was half out of bed like this, like face down.
19:16And I thought, and I thought, well, that's not right.
19:19I'll go in and I'll fix that.
19:21And so I opened the door.
19:23I opened the door and she didn't, she didn't move.
19:29And I thought, that's okay.
19:30She's asleep.
19:31Weird little freak, but whatever.
19:34So, so I bent over to pick her up and I grabbed her by the shoulders and she still didn't
19:39move.
19:40And I was like, oh, and in that, you know, like all of these thoughts happened in like three seconds.
19:44I was like, oh, what if she's like bent in such a way that she's like cut off air to
19:48herself or something like that.
19:49So then I picked her up and like flung her back and looked at her and she had the biggest
19:55smile on her face.
19:56She was just messing with me.
20:00She knew exactly what she was doing.
20:02She was messing with me.
20:04Oh, I don't like that.
20:07No, cause I, I often lie in bed when it's just me and her and go, what happens if I
20:15die in the middle of the night?
20:18Like what, why are you laughing?
20:21But it, so I, uh, I think her mom taught her this.
20:25I think all parents think about that.
20:26Yeah.
20:27Yeah.
20:27But like, it'd be me.
20:28It's like that thing where like, not that, like, you know how like an old lady dies?
20:35And she's being eaten by cats.
20:36This is off the, this is, this is the end of it.
20:39So like that kind of thing.
20:39Yeah.
20:40But I think her mom taught her triple zero, which is pretty easy.
20:44Ooh, we should do that.
20:45Yeah.
20:45Good on that.
20:46I haven't done that yet.
20:47Um, I've taught her my mobile number, which I don't think helps if I was to die in my bed.
20:53Um, but yeah, like you, you do.
20:55And I check on, uh, Bino every night before I go to bed and there are those moments where you
21:00just use, like I'm waiting for.
21:02The breath.
21:02Like I won't leave the room unless I hear like three proper breaths.
21:08But then there's moments where she's so deeply asleep that it's like, and so I pretty much end up waking
21:14her up.
21:14I've done that.
21:15So that she can go flip flop done.
21:17A friend of mine just before Billy was born said, look, there will definitely be times where you will be
21:24thinking, oh, she might be dead because every parent thinks that at some point.
21:29And she said, you know what, like you wake up in the morning and one day the kids will just
21:33like, wake up a bit later than usual, because eventually that's what kids do.
21:37And you'll be lying there going, uh, oh God, mom, what if something's wrong?
21:41What if, you know, blah, blah, blah.
21:42And then this mom said to me, she was like, but you know what, just enjoy the time in bed.
21:46And you know, if they're dead, they'll still be dead in half an hour.
21:48So like that, and I get that, but there's the moment, we can, because we're being honest.
21:57Um, but there's, it is like, I might hear a noise that sounds a little bit weird and I'm just
22:04about to go to sleep and I'm very comfortable.
22:06But then in the back of my head, it's like, well, what if, if I don't do it now, what
22:10if I go in there and I save her just in time?
22:13Yep.
22:13Um, but maybe I'll just, um, go to sleep next time.
22:16Just enjoy the sleep.
22:16I think hang out with more people like your friend.
22:19If something's gone horribly wrong, well, it'll still be horribly wrong in half an hour, but you'll be well rested.
22:23I think we should stop talking because we're not sounding like very good parents.
22:26No, this, this is a podcast recorded at the end of a long week for my friends, I think.
22:29It is.
22:30I'm going to go to Greece now.
22:31Okay.
22:32I'm going to go to bed.
22:33Do you want to sign this thing off?
22:34Thank you for listening to watching.
22:37Sound like you've been enthusiastic about being in a podcast.
22:40Ah, look, it's been a long week.
22:41Okay.
22:42Thank you for listening.
22:43If you've made it this far after our talk about death, uh, thanks for listening.
22:48Like, and subscribe, tell your friends, please share.
22:51Yeah.
22:51Marcus, it's been a pleasure.
22:52It's been a pleasure.
22:53Who have you been?
22:54I've been Rob.
22:55I've been Marcus.
22:56And you've been great.
22:58Mama Mia.
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