Joe DiBiase is joined by Buffalo Bills beat reporter Sal Capaccio to look ahead to the Bills divisional matchup with the New England Patriots on Sunday. The guys start off by discussing the mess that is the Patriots organization right now as they’re off to a nightmare start with Drake Maye STRUGGLING big time.
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00:028.03 Wednesday morning. It's fall outside. Chill in the air. Playoff baseball is happening.
00:11I'm sure Sal's in a good mood this morning. 9-0, right, Sal, was the final? Yankees over Red Sox?
00:17Yeah, yeah. I mean, I figured they'd have to win a low-scoring game because their offense is so hot
00:25and cold.
00:25Feast or Famine, but it was Feast last night, and it was after a while, though.
00:29It was a 1-0 game into, what, the 6th or 7th when the Red Sox took out totally their
00:35starting pitcher.
00:36But, Joe, I mean, Cam Schlittler is a star. He is a star.
00:41Yeah, he... Did he go 7 innings last night?
00:44He threw 117 pitches?
00:47Yeah, right.
00:50Does Yankees-Red Sox hit the same, by the way, when it's in a wild-card series versus, like...
00:55You know, the ALCS or some of their meetings in the past?
00:59I mean, I think if you're a fan of either team, it doesn't matter when it is.
01:05It just... Yeah.
01:05But, sure, there is a difference, right?
01:08No doubt.
01:09Because it's for the right to get to the ALCS.
01:12It's not even the ALCS yet.
01:13Or the ALDS, in this case.
01:15The ALDS, right.
01:15The ALDS. It's a wild-card, right?
01:17It's not even an ALCS where, you know, they've had those battles.
01:20And I think the other part of it is, Joe, like, that both teams...
01:23Like, the Red Sox have definitely won more than the Yankees recently, right?
01:25They've won World Series now.
01:26For many years growing up, it was the Yankees just basically saying,
01:30Oh, yeah, you're not getting past us.
01:31We're the Yanks, and you're the Red Sox.
01:32Well, that's kind of been reversed, to be honest with you.
01:35And the Red Sox have several World Series.
01:37The Yankees only have won, you know, in the 2000s.
01:40I think, right?
01:412009 was their last, I should say.
01:42So, if you want to go back to that, I guess...
01:442000, yeah.
01:45You know what I mean?
01:46In case people want to, you know, quibble here.
01:47You get my point.
01:50So, yeah, but it's still a big rival.
01:52Like, to me, going into the game, I told people, like, I hate it.
01:57I hate the fact that the Yankees had to play the Red Sox because the Red Sox weren't supposed to
02:00be here.
02:01And you have nothing to gain by beating them.
02:05Other than, oh, we beat the Red Sox.
02:07Maybe Red Sox fans feel the same.
02:10But for them, it's like, oh, dude, we're the team.
02:12Like, we're not supposed to win this.
02:14Let's go.
02:14You know how that can be.
02:15Right.
02:16Yeah, and neither team won the division, right?
02:19Like, because of the new form.
02:20It's not even new.
02:21This format's been around for a minute now, but...
02:23Yana just asked me that this morning.
02:24She's like, does the team get a bye?
02:27She's not familiar with the playoff format.
02:28And I said, yeah.
02:29I said, the Rays do.
02:30I said, the Yankees have to play this wild card.
02:33But yet, they had the second best record in the league.
02:36Yeah.
02:36And they don't get a bye.
02:38Yeah.
02:39Yeah, that's incredible.
02:41I've been flirting with, by the way, like, going to a playoff game.
02:45And I think it's just chasing the high of going to Game 1 of the World Series last year in
02:49Toronto.
02:51And Cleveland being in it.
02:52I thought about, like, I've not been to Yankee Stadium or Fenway.
02:55Although there are no games in Fenway, right?
02:56It's just Yankee Stadium.
02:57Right.
02:57That's correct.
02:59But then, I don't want to feel obligated to root for the Yankees.
03:02And I feel like if I go to a Yankees game, I'm going to feel that obligation.
03:06You could go and just enjoy yourself.
03:08As long as you don't root for the other team, right?
03:10Just wear neutral colors.
03:12Well, you could wear white, right?
03:13Like, oh, I think it's a Yankees fan.
03:15Sure.
03:15I don't know.
03:15But just don't wear red.
03:16Yeah, that's right.
03:17Yeah, I wouldn't want to wear red.
03:18Not in that sea.
03:20Well, let's get to the Bills, Sal.
03:22New England.
03:22I mean, big rivalry, right?
03:23And, you know, some Bills fans might feel the same way as they do in that rivalry there.
03:28So, let's start, though.
03:29Oh, believe me.
03:29I have the – I'm ready for the tweet.
03:31If the Yankees take care of business, then the Bills do.
03:33Yeah.
03:34I mean, that tweet's going out on Sunday night.
03:35Two New England-area teams came to New York and lost.
03:39Yeah, it's not going great for New England right now.
03:42But I've got to wait on that.
03:43I've got to wait on that.
03:44Yeah.
03:44I mean, we played the clip earlier, Mike Vrabel in WEEI, and he's getting a little snippy.
03:50Oh, is he?
03:50I didn't hear what he said.
03:51I mean, really just kind of flat out talking about Drake May.
03:54Like, hey, he made the wrong call.
03:55But I want to make a touchdown pass.
03:57Like, he – it sounds like it's getting a little tense there.
04:01I don't know how much of the first three games you've seen from them.
04:04Obviously, the Jaguars game last week was happening at the same time as Bills Chargers.
04:08But, man, 35-6 in the offense.
04:12Pass EPA, their second last in football, only ahead of Atlanta.
04:17They look totally different as an offense to what they did last year, especially leading up to the playoffs.
04:24Yeah.
04:24And, you know, their offseason was very much revolved around bringing in A.J. Brown.
04:28It was such a saga to finally get them there.
04:30And then they finally did.
04:32And it was like they're going to – you know, this is going to be their big guy to really
04:36help their passing offense.
04:37They lose Stefan Diggs.
04:39And, you know, and Romeo Dobbs, too.
04:40But that hasn't gone very well.
04:42And then they lose A.J. Brown so quickly.
04:45And the thing that I said this offseason about their offense that I was wondering about was their offensive line.
04:51Like, how good is it?
04:53Like, Drake may have had some turnovers last year.
04:55He gets pressured a little bit.
04:56You know, he's known to be a little bit careless with the football, whether that's fumbling or throwing interceptions.
05:01They can run the ball.
05:02But a lot of times it's more because they're just a team that believes in running the ball.
05:06It's volume.
05:06They go and they have – and they can get a couple big hits.
05:08And we know that.
05:10But their offensive line has been banged up.
05:11They have another big injury on their offensive line.
05:13They've already now lost two right guards.
05:15They lost their starter.
05:17And then Greg Van Roten, who used to play with the Bills, went in last week to be the starter.
05:20Now he's on IR.
05:21They are going on their third right guard in four games coming into Buffalo this week.
05:26They have a center who's going to be kind of doing a little bit of both.
05:29So that's been a part of the issue.
05:32And I just think that the lack of weapons without A.J. Brown is starting to show up.
05:37I still think Drake May is a good quarterback.
05:39I do.
05:40I'm not going to sit here and go, oh, my God, he's terrible.
05:42I don't think he is.
05:43But I do think – my theory is this happens a lot with young quarterbacks.
05:48When guys start to have a bit of a jump and people start to notice, these defensive coordinators get paid
05:53a lot of money, Joe.
05:55You take a look at it and say, what can we do against him?
05:57How can we make sure that he's not getting off against us a little bit?
06:02And I just think that's starting to happen.
06:04And if you go back to last year, it wasn't just those games.
06:08There were times last year where he just had stretches where he was, like I said, careless with the football,
06:12things that happened.
06:13And that's starting to show up a lot more right now.
06:15Yeah, I thought about C.J. Stroud a lot this morning for that.
06:19Like he was so hot out of the gates as a rookie.
06:22I know May did that more in year two.
06:23And then it just hasn't looked the same since then.
06:26And I wonder if that's going to end up being May where, oh, we had this MVP level year and
06:33it just never got back to that.
06:35Or if the problems around him are real enough that, no, if they get that corrected at some point, then
06:42it'll fix itself.
06:43We've talked a lot about the receivers, but you're right to point up, like they'll bring up the line.
06:47They've allowed the sixth most pressure in football so far this year.
06:50Like their line for the amount they invested in it.
06:52Like last week, watching a lot of that Chargers-Patriots game back, May is having to scramble out of the
06:58pocket so often because, you know, they're just getting beat.
07:02And that seems like a positive given how this Bill's defensive line has looked so far.
07:07You know, someone pointed out to me, and I went back and looked, and I have it in front of
07:09me now.
07:10I can tell you what it is.
07:11That he kind of, this kind of happened to him in college where his second year in college was his
07:17first year starting.
07:18And he was amazing.
07:20And he led the conference in completion percentage, yards, 38 touchdowns, only seven interceptions.
07:27The following year, his third year, he had a dip in everything.
07:31He only went to 63% completion.
07:34And although he had good numbers, he went from 38-7, Joe, TD to interception, to 24-9, TD to
07:41interception.
07:42Like, interesting, right?
07:43Like, the same kind of mirroring is happening in the NFL, and I just believe that a lot of that
07:47has to do with teams catching up a little bit, teams seeing what you do, getting stuff on film.
07:51Once you arrive, once you make yourself known, you know, you become a little bit more of a focus for
07:56defensive coordinators, for defensive players.
07:58I think that's happening a little bit.
08:00And you're right.
08:01Now, that said, this is still a team that's going to believe in running the football and getting after and
08:07stopping the run and stopping you on offense and playing the kind of game where, as I've said for months,
08:13they play a game closer to the margins.
08:15The Bills, last week, they overcame a lot of things that I don't think they can overcome this week if
08:22that happens against the Patriots.
08:23I know the Patriots' numbers might not even be as good as the Chargers in a lot of areas.
08:27I get that.
08:28I just, if you turn the ball over like that against this team, you're not going to win the game.
08:33And that's what happened last year.
08:35The Patriots were better, but the Bills had two key turnovers, and they wound up losing on a late field
08:38goal because of it.
08:39And that's what you can't have this week.
08:41Well, if a game like that, a sloppy game, were to present itself, you would need the defense to play
08:48almost perfect the way they kind of did last week, right?
08:51Like only giving up the one touchdown.
08:53And how much confidence should we have that they've been good at stopping the run so far in pretty much
08:59every game they've played.
09:00It's been the pass defense.
09:02And here's this New England pass attack that hasn't looked that great.
09:06How much could one game do for a pass defense, Sal, that we know has talent, it just really wasn't
09:14coming together in the first two games of the season?
09:16Well, I think a lot from a standpoint of what we talked about for a few weeks, which is time
09:21on task, Joe.
09:22They need the communication.
09:23They need to get reps together.
09:25They missed out a lot of reps in training camp at preseason because of injuries.
09:29And now you have another one to Christian Benford.
09:31But I really like what Jim Leonard said yesterday.
09:34I thought, you know, insightfully, he said when it comes when it came to Davis and Igbenosin, and I think
09:39you'd agree Davis and Igbenosin played a good game when he was on the field.
09:42Right.
09:42And he said, you don't want those guys to have to go in because only because you need them to
09:46play.
09:47You want them to go in when they've already had a chance to play and they understand what's happening.
09:51So let's remember the first two weeks, Igbenosin got some run, got some run.
09:56He got reps.
09:57He was rotating.
09:58He was getting in some series.
10:00And that's why, because, dude, something happens to Christian Benford.
10:03Now you've got to go play.
10:04Now you've got to be on the field.
10:06And you know what?
10:06You already have the time out there.
10:08It's not like we're just throwing you out there like, oh, my God, what's going to happen here?
10:10We haven't seen this guy play.
10:11So I think they feel a little more confident and comfortable in doing that.
10:15And let's be honest, Christian Benford wasn't off to a great start.
10:18So, you know, it wasn't like you're taking somebody out who was playing at an all pro level necessarily.
10:22You hope he's okay.
10:23Obviously, we'll find out that today a little bit more practice.
10:27But, yeah, I think more than anything, you say, what can one game do?
10:31I just think it's the culmination of another game.
10:33It's another game, another day of time on task.
10:37This week's going to be another one of those.
10:38And then next week's going to be another one of those.
10:41Yeah, so Federi Mathis was released yesterday officially on the NFL Transactions Wire.
10:45So he is now a free agent.
10:49However, I will tell you the expectation is he will sign with the Bills practice squad today and be at
10:57practice today.
10:59So, unless some team comes over the top with some outrageous contract for Federi Mathis, he should be on the
11:05Bills.
11:05Which could happen.
11:06He does not have to go through waivers.
11:08This is not a claim situation.
11:09This is not he's got to pass through waivers and the Bills can get him back.
11:12No, no, no.
11:12He became a free agent as soon as the Bills released him.
11:14He could sign with any team right now.
11:16But, again, unless a team goes, hey dude, we're going to give you $5 million a year, whatever it is,
11:23Federi Mathis should be on the practice squad.
11:25And they had an open roster spot in the practice squad, by the way, because of the Greg Dortch signing
11:30late last week.
11:32So, this is really, honestly, Joe, all this is for the Bills is moving Federi Mathis from a suspended list
11:39to the practice squad.
11:40That's really, at the end of the day, what's going to happen here.
11:41Do you feel like that suspension really opened the door for Dwayne Carter?
11:47I feel like Mathis, we were talking about, he was going to make the roster before the news of the
11:51suspension came out.
11:53I don't know if he was going to make it, but I do think that it was possible.
11:57I always felt, though, you have to remember, and it matters, if it came down to the two, I felt
12:03like maybe Dwayne Carter would still get the nod because he would have to go through waivers and Federi Mathis
12:06wouldn't.
12:07So, you would lose him for nothing.
12:08Whereas, you can go to Federi Mathis and go, hey, dude, just, we're going to sign you back, right?
12:12You can't do that with a guy like Dwayne Carter.
12:13He would be subject to waivers.
12:15So, it's close.
12:16I don't know.
12:17Like, I don't know exactly how it would have played out.
12:19But, yeah, I do think because of the numbers that were there, it could have been a discussion.
12:25But now we know Dwayne Carter has played pretty well here.
12:28He's been a very, very important part of the rotation.
12:33TJ Sanders had the appendectomy.
12:36Good news, they didn't put him on IR last week, meaning that they think he'll be back sooner rather than
12:42later.
12:42But now you also have a little more insurance on the practice squad, assuming Federi Mathis does resign today.
12:50Right.
12:51Sal Capaccio with us.
12:53Sal, Joe Brady and the other coaches, of course, speaking yesterday, Brady on Monday.
12:59What has the attitude kind of been, do you think, from the offensive side of things coming out of that
13:04Charger game?
13:05They still were looking for big plays.
13:08You know, Allen still had a pretty high average depth of target.
13:11They were throwing the ball until those last two drives, their running went up a little bit and you had
13:18a couple of those big James Cook runs.
13:20Do they sound like they're going to go right back to that and, like, they're not shying away from hunting
13:27big plays, which everybody loved to see in the first couple just because it didn't go as well against the
13:31Chargers?
13:32Oh, yeah.
13:33And it's funny you actually bring that up.
13:34I was just looking at all these numbers.
13:38So, here are the average pass lengths, you know, depth of target in the league.
13:43So, these are all passes.
13:45Josh Allen leads the league after three weeks, 10.28.
13:49Only two other quarterbacks are over 10.
13:52Lamar Jackson and Malik Willis.
13:55But what's, to me, even more interesting is if you take just the completions, you throw out all the incompletions,
14:03just take all the balls that quarterbacks completed, Josh Allen still leads the league in average depth,
14:11which tells you not only is he going deep, he's completing passes going deep.
14:16They're not going to go away from that.
14:18I mean, it's working, Joe.
14:19That's the bottom line.
14:20It didn't work last week because of a couple of things that happened.
14:22You know, Josh had a bad read on the first interception.
14:25I think on the second one, he can say that he didn't think he had a free play.
14:28He's taking accountability.
14:29I think that after listening to Joe Brady, they thought they had a free play.
14:32He threw it up.
14:33It didn't work out.
14:34I mean, other than that, though, yeah, he's thrown the ball deep, and they're coming up with completions.
14:39And I don't see why they would want to go away from that.
14:41And here's the other part about it.
14:43The more they keep doing that, the more defenses have to respect it because they are successful at it.
14:48And then here comes James Cook, who, oh, by the way, gets 154 yards, and no one really, really,
14:53I didn't think they get 154 yards until after the game.
14:55I looked down at the box score.
14:56Right.
14:57Me too.
14:57Yeah, a lot of that coming in those last two drives.
15:00But he got there and did in time.
15:03It was important, those runs he had at the end.
15:06We've had a couple calls this week about Khalil Shakir.
15:08Like, off a game where he only had one catch.
15:11And I don't know.
15:12My attitude has been, if you're going to be an offense that's going down the field more,
15:17his role is going to be diminished.
15:19And it's not like it's nothing.
15:21I mean, it's 30 yards per game.
15:23Maybe you'd like to see that number a little higher.
15:26But I think this was expected, if they were going to start playing offense this way,
15:32that Shakir would become more of a role player in the offense than kind of the guy that the
15:37passing offense was kind of revolving around.
15:39Yeah, I agree with that.
15:41And I think isn't what everybody wanted, that, you know, you want to go away from what they
15:45were doing with these tunnel screens and getting him the ball and the volume.
15:48And, you know, he catches a bunch of balls, but his average, you know, length of reception
15:53is two yards, right?
15:54I mean, it's like, I don't even know if it was that.
15:56It might have been less than that, honestly.
15:57Right, exactly.
15:58Like, near last in the league.
16:00So, yeah, I think, like, I'm not concerned.
16:04I think Khalil Shakir is, what's the concern of people?
16:07Like, what is the, I guess, right, right.
16:09Like, what's the thought from people when they're, like, if they're concerned about
16:12it, like, what is the concern?
16:13Is it they're not using him properly or he's not playing well enough?
16:16You know what I mean?
16:17Right.
16:17And maybe sometimes it's someone likes the player and he's not getting the ball.
16:22And, like, why isn't this guy getting the ball more often?
16:24Like, I know he's a good player.
16:26He's, and also he has a contract, but, you know, his contract isn't that big, right?
16:30Like, 13 million a year for a receiver.
16:33This is, 30 yards a game is probably about right, I think, for a guy that makes that much.
16:37Um, yeah, um, last year, 2.6 yards average length of reception.
16:442.6.
16:45Was 83rd in the league, okay, amongst all qualifying leaders.
16:49This year, Khalil Shakir, his average length of reception is over five.
16:55Which is such a, which is a really, which is actually a massive difference when you're
16:58talking about these kinds of, these kinds of things.
17:01He is at 5.78, which is 58th in the league.
17:04Yeah.
17:05Speaking of usage, when Joe Brady brought up Ray Davis the other day, was that?
17:10Unprompted.
17:10That was unprompted?
17:11Yeah.
17:12Okay.
17:12He just, he just said, yeah, I know.
17:14It was interesting how he said it too, Joe.
17:16He said, yeah, you know, I really got to get Ray a little bit more involved in the offense
17:20too.
17:20He's earned, you know, opportunities.
17:21He said, and then he kind of said, I know that question's probably going to come up.
17:24Like, he was prepped.
17:25He was ready to answer our question, which never came.
17:28So he just basically put it out there.
17:30Yeah.
17:30Well, and more involved, I mean, that could be anything, right?
17:32Because it's one carry through three games.
17:35Like, it's not like he was a focal point.
17:37He might have said touches.
17:38I have to go back and listen to the exact quote.
17:39But either way, like, he's not really a part of the offense right now.
17:43Like, and he before was a guy that would get a couple touches a game.
17:47He was getting some snaps.
17:49And this year, yeah, like, it's the James Cook show so far.
17:53Like, 20 snaps and only one touch so far.
17:55I mean, how do you take the ball out of James Cook's hands too, right?
17:58I mean, like, that's part of the thought process here from Joe Brady.
18:02Like, I have James Cook.
18:04Like, well, I'm not going to not give him the ball.
18:05And he even gave him the ball right away while he put him on the field.
18:09I think maybe the next play or two after the fumble on the first series.
18:12Like, that's your guy.
18:14And it's hard to not give him the ball.
18:17And then when you get the third down, you want Ty Johnson on the field.
18:20Right.
18:21Yeah, I'd want to look at, like, other teams in the league that have, like,
18:24some of the best running backs in football.
18:25Like, how many carries do the other guys get?
18:27Like, Derrick Henry in the Ravens so far.
18:32Like, yeah, I'm looking right now.
18:33Like, the guys that are behind him, they don't get the ball.
18:36You know, sometimes they will in third downs.
18:38Let's get to the Barnes from injury report, Sal.
18:40The injury report will come out a little bit later today.
18:42If you've been injured in a car crash, call the Barnes from 1-800-8-Million.
18:46Who will we be looking out for today?
18:48Josh Allen?
18:49I mean, I don't think anyone thinks he will play.
18:51Yeah, that's one.
18:53Correct.
18:53I did ask Joe Brady to start the press conference on Monday about Josh because apparently he,
19:00you know, he got banged up and people saw that.
19:02And he said, Josh is always sore after games.
19:05I'm never usually concerned about him.
19:07That was his answer.
19:07We'll see if he's on the injury report in any capacity today.
19:10But I wouldn't think there's anything that would, you know, be in question at all that
19:14Josh Allen would play on Sunday.
19:17But I am curious about him going through the week.
19:19And, you know, if he is sore, if he is on the injury report at all, what that means for
19:24how they, you know, run the offense and things that he can or can't do.
19:28But anyway, that's one.
19:30I think the really main one is Christian Benford because he did leave the game.
19:33And he was in a walking boot and he was ruled out with a toe injury.
19:37So, you know, we'll see where that goes today with him.
19:41And then, you know, you have DJ Moore and Keon Coleman, who both did play last week.
19:44They have TJ Sanders, who didn't, with the appendectomy.
19:47So there's a lot going on today.
19:48I think that, you know, we'll find out.
19:50We'll hear from Joe Brady early afternoon, 1 o'clock hour.
19:53And then the team will be on the practice field during the 2 o'clock hour.
19:56If Benford is, again, we'll find out later today.
20:00We'll see how severe it is or whether he's on the field.
20:02But if Benford's availability is in question, obviously it's Harrison and Nygminosin starting.
20:07Who's next?
20:09It's a good question.
20:10I would think that they would at least have D. Alford ready to go on the boundary if they
20:16need it.
20:16And then you can have, you can elevate to Corey Couch again.
20:21To Corey Couch can play all these spots.
20:23This is a versatile player they have.
20:24He did get elevated last week to mainly, you know, be insurance and play special teams.
20:29You don't have Jordan Hancock.
20:30He's on IR.
20:31Jalen Kilgore is there.
20:32And this is all, again, me saying if you put D. Alford on the boundary, you could do that.
20:36But, yeah, that's, you know what?
20:38And then how about the kid that we all love during training camp?
20:42Can I walk her?
20:43He could be elevated.
20:45He's on the practice squad.
20:46Right.
20:46So it would be, but that's it for the active roster, right?
20:49They don't have another.
20:50They would have to be a practice.
20:51They'd have to do that.
20:52They'd have to do that.
20:53So you have options on the practice squad.
20:54Yeah, but it'd have to be like that.
20:56And then the one other guy would be T.J. Sanders.
20:58But do we think that's that quick a turnaround?
21:00Appendectomy?
21:01I'm not sure I remember.
21:02This is definitely something I am not familiar with as far as his timeline.
21:05And I think everybody would probably be different in something like that, Joe.
21:08I'm not sure.
21:08Again, though, like I said, the good news is they didn't put him on IR last week.
21:12Right.
21:13Right.
21:13So you would think that they're at least comfortable enough thinking that he'll be back at some point.
21:20It'll be 4-4 games.
21:21If you don't, that's fine.
21:22Do we know anything about what New England's dealing with going into today?
21:27They just had the Van Roten injury.
21:30Right.
21:31So their offensive line is a little bit banged up.
21:32I think Carlton Davis was, but I think he played last week.
21:35So no, we'll get a little bit more on that, a little more clarity on them as well.
21:39Speaking of New England, I have a trivia question for you.
21:41Ready?
21:41Okay.
21:42Okay.
21:43I was looking at Drake May's numbers.
21:45Uh-huh.
21:47Over his last seven games, including playoffs, he has 10 interceptions and nine fumbles.
21:57Now, not lost, just fumbles.
21:59Fumbles.
21:59I will say, you have to remember now, fumbles, their snap exchanges are always charged with the quarterback.
22:04It might not even be his fault, but that just happens.
22:06It's just the NFL, the way that they keep track of that.
22:08So 10 interceptions, nine fumbles.
22:10I said, boy, I wonder when the last time somebody had that in any seven-game stretch.
22:14I found it.
22:15And the answer is actually somebody who is currently playing in the league, but it's been seven years.
22:20Ooh.
22:21A quarterback that's in the league right now that had...
22:25And it's not going to surprise you when you hear the answer.
22:28It's not going to surprise me.
22:30Okay.
22:30Is it...
22:31Okay.
22:31The question is, so everybody understands, over any seven-game stretch, including playoffs,
22:38including spanning two different seasons, like Drake May, who was the last quarterback
22:43to have at least seven interceptions and at least nine fumbles as well?
22:48The not-going-to-surprise-you hint, I like my guess here, and I'm going to guess Jameis Winston.
22:53It is Jameis Winston.
22:55Yes.
22:55In 2019.
22:552019, that's right.
22:56Is that the...
22:57I've got to look at his stats.
22:58Is that the 30-touchdown, 30-pick year?
23:012019.
23:01Would that have been that?
23:02I'm looking right now.
23:03I think so, because Brady replaces him immediately after.
23:07I think so.
23:08Yeah, 2019.
23:09He started 16 games, 5,100 yards, 33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions.
23:17Man, how many fumbles did he have that year also?
23:2112 fumbles.
23:2330 picks and 12 fumbles.
23:25There will never be a year like that again.
23:26Isn't that amazing?
23:28Yeah.
23:28I mean, honestly, a quarterback won't be allowed to throw the ball that many times anymore,
23:33right?
23:33Like...
23:34Right.
23:35This guy, what he's doing there is...
23:39I know.
23:40And there was some other...
23:41No, it's funny, though.
23:42There were some nice names, like Kurt Warner's on the list.
23:44Like, Kurt Warner's in the Hall of Fame.
23:46Josh wasn't anywhere on that list, right?
23:48He...
23:49I did not see Josh on that list, no.
23:51But the last one to do it was 2019, and that was Kurt Warner...
23:54I'm sorry, that was Jameis Winston.
23:55So, I mean, we could sit here and go, oh my God, Drake May...
23:58And it is true.
23:59Like, it is...
23:59It's been seven years since someone did that.
24:02Right.
24:03But, you know, if you're a Patriots fan looking, going, yeah, well, you know, some really
24:06great quarterbacks who are on this list, which is true.
24:09But yeah, he has...
24:10In his last seven games...
24:12Yep.
24:12Spanning last season, playoffs, he has ten interceptions and nine fumbles.
24:18Yeah.
24:18It's not going well.
24:19It's not going well.
24:20No.
24:20We'll play that Vrabel clip again later, because...
24:22Okay.
24:23Even he was criticizing at least one decision a little bit in front of the media.
24:27Thank you, Sal.
24:28You got it.
24:29Sal Capaccio on the West Her Hotline.
24:32Bill's practicing today and went through the injury report a little bit there.
24:36Benford, the big one to watch for later on.
24:39When we come back, hot or cold?
24:41It's a Wednesday morning, and I'm very excited to see what Joe Calley's got cooked up for us.
24:48Any food, you know, up there as a take.
24:53Football.
24:53Hockey started.
24:55So, we'll see what we get.
24:56That's on the way next.
24:57Jeremy and Joe here on WGR.
24:59T 코리.
24:59That's good.
25:00Ho.
25:00Look at this.
25:02What's up there?
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