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The Binaliw Question
Eight months after the Binaliw landfill tragedy that claimed 37 lives, the facility may be cleared to reopen—but is it truly safe?
Recent inspections by Cebu City officials point to safety gaps that remain unresolved, raising questions about the city’s next move on garbage disposal.
Join us on Beyond the Headlines with Cebu City Councilor Joel Garganera as we look deeper and think better about the concerns surrounding Binaliw, the risks involved, and what comes next.
Beyond the Headlines — beyond the story, closer to the truth.
Eight months after the Binaliw landfill tragedy that claimed 37 lives, the facility may be cleared to reopen—but is it truly safe?
Recent inspections by Cebu City officials point to safety gaps that remain unresolved, raising questions about the city’s next move on garbage disposal.
Join us on Beyond the Headlines with Cebu City Councilor Joel Garganera as we look deeper and think better about the concerns surrounding Binaliw, the risks involved, and what comes next.
Beyond the Headlines — beyond the story, closer to the truth.
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00:56Binalio is back in the spotlight, but have we really solved the problem?
01:00Or are we simply reopening a chapter we have already seen before?
01:05Good afternoon and welcome to Beyond the Headlines.
01:07I'm DJ Moises and today's conversation is brought to us by Coffee First.
01:12For years, Cebu City has struggled with where to put the garbage it generates every day.
01:18We moved from Inayawan to Binalio, hoping to find a more sustainable solution.
01:24But Binalio eventually faced serious problems of its own, leading to the death of 36 individuals and its eventual closure.
01:33Let's look deeper and think better.
01:35Today, after a recent inspection and with the facilities cease and desist order lifted,
01:42we go Beyond the Headlines with Cebu City Councilor and Chairman, Committee on Environment and Energy,
01:48Councilor Joel Garganera.
01:50So, hello, Councilor Joel.
01:52Welcome back to Beyond the Headlines.
01:54Salamat for having me here.
01:57And Mayong Udto.
01:58Yes, Mayong Udto.
01:59The last time we talked, we were hoping that the next conversation will be at a better circumstance.
02:05But let's see now because you, along with some members of the leaders in the city,
02:12recently visited Kinang Binalio.
02:14So, before we zoom out into the bigger garbage problem,
02:18I'm curious about what you saw during the visit.
02:22Actually, when I passed a resolution the other week,
02:26it was intended for the would-be bidders of our garbage.
02:32That we should also be mindful that it is not enough to transfer our problem to another LGU
02:38because we have also to look after their welfare.
02:41And we have to look into their security, safety, capacity, and environmental compliance.
02:47So, I'm not going to do it.
03:17I'm not going to do it.
03:19So, I don't have to impress that I have a knowledge of the technical aspect.
03:29That's the feeling.
03:30So, I appealed to the office of the building official.
03:33But they were the structural engineers, environmental engineers,
03:37as well as the city planning board,
03:40the city health, the city health, the disaster,
03:44because they didn't respond to a disaster,
03:48that they should also be there in the prevention of a disaster.
03:53So, what transpired was, well, what transpired was,
03:57well, I just started to write it on the executive session in the report.
04:01So, first of all, the OBOs, they didn't have the technical know-how.
04:06So, they told me that the OBO is only concerned about the buildings.
04:10So, I told them, structural money, foundation money.
04:15But somehow, they will not make any assessment.
04:20And they said, it is in the domain of the city planning board.
04:23So, they're going to talk to Utah.
04:24But in the city planning, they don't have to render or report.
04:28Now, we go to the disaster.
04:30So, dagahan kayo sila o mga red kwan nga gi-advice.
04:36With regards to safety,
04:39dako pa dito kung kaayong trabaho nun.
04:42Unya, mindful po sila sa height.
04:45Mindful po sila sa height.
04:47Silang estimate is like more than 25 to 30 stories ang height.
04:52Ang ilanggitan.
04:53Unya, mind you, matod pa nila,
04:56ang kanang selda nga diin asa i-budang.
04:59This is the new site.
05:00The new.
05:01It's not really a new site.
05:03That is where the material recovery facility will be.
05:07Okay.
05:08No, no.
05:09Katong karaan nga material recovery facility, mauna siya.
05:13Okay.
05:14So, they will reopen that as well.
05:16No.
05:16They open that to accommodate garbage.
05:19Nagkaot sila, they turn it into a cell.
05:22Okay.
05:22It's no longer an MRF.
05:23But, that is will be the final destination of the garbage.
05:29Okay.
05:30So, naho pa sa tao pa, naanasa to.
05:34The to aspect.
05:35So, just imagine,
05:36pag makita ninyo sa video,
05:39na, ang, ang, ang, ang, ang, ang, ang, yeah.
05:43So, makita ninyo mong video,
05:44kanang taas diya,
05:45mo na ang basura niya, diya pa dong.
05:47Ang kanang mong gitindugan,
05:48mo na siya ang MRF.
05:49So,
05:50mag-isgo tag sloping,
05:52mag-isgo tag rehabilitation,
05:55ongoing pa na diya.
05:57Huwag pa na tabuni,
05:58o mga,
05:59kaning,
06:00ah,
06:00bus,
06:01mga materials.
06:03So, makita ninyo,
06:04basura gya po na.
06:05So, as of this time,
06:07at least looking at the video,
06:09it's not ready yet to receive garbage, no?
06:16And, not only that,
06:18matod pa nila,
06:19to distress the weight bitaw sa taas,
06:23they're gonna put the garbage,
06:25ilan da doon,
06:25arong ibutahan diya.
06:27So, ang ilahang ECC,
06:30gi-amend ang ECC,
06:31they are capable of,
06:33of accommodating,
06:35around 150,000 metri tons.
06:39Kung ipangutana sila,
06:40so, kay,
06:41at umang inaog ang ubang basura,
06:43rili sa taas,
06:44pa doon sa ubos,
06:45so, mausab na na siya.
06:47Mausab na na siya.
06:48So, dilin na na siya 150,000 tons.
06:51But,
06:52usas at sa,
06:53pag-iipahingusgan,
06:54gina sa disaster,
06:55isang safety.
06:56So, sila'y ni,
06:57sila'y ni,
06:58sila'y ni hatag,
07:00anang lisod pa,
07:01wala'y mga mekanismo,
07:03para early warning device,
07:06so, wala sila'y monitoring.
07:08And then,
07:08what is,
07:09what is also very lacking is,
07:12for two consecutive events na,
07:14mag-ocular inspection na mo,
07:16and then,
07:17ang sa executive session,
07:19gi-imbitar na mo ang EMB.
07:21Unfortunately,
07:22wasad sila mo appear.
07:24So, it could have been
07:25an opportunity for us,
07:26na what are your bases,
07:28na anong ato mang-ablihan,
07:30no?
07:31Okay,
07:31as it is,
07:32huwag imunta na awon,
07:34ka nang pwede ba ko na,
07:35mag-rehabilitate,
07:36na,
07:38mudawat,
07:39are we not putting,
07:40para na ako ba,
07:42safety first,
07:43okay,
07:4436 ba yan ka kinabuhi,
07:46ang nakalas niya niya.
07:47But,
07:48I'm also mindful,
07:49sa,
07:50grabe na gasto,
07:52ang atong pag-dispose,
07:54sa atong basura.
07:55So,
07:56at least,
07:57I already have an idea,
07:59no,
07:59given your answer to the question,
08:01but,
08:02from what you saw,
08:04and the rest of the leaders
08:06who were with you,
08:07when you visited Binalio,
08:09is this an improved version?
08:13Or,
08:14this is practically,
08:16a repetition,
08:17that could eventually result
08:19to the same disaster,
08:22no,
08:22the risk is still present?
08:24Well,
08:25during the conversation we had
08:27after the ocular inspection,
08:29dito sa Osaka,
08:31gamayin nilang cubicle dito sa,
08:33sa landfill,
08:34I told Primeways,
08:35with this,
08:37can you guarantee the safety?
08:39Which is a fundamental question.
08:41Diga na.
08:43Diga na.
08:45So,
08:45para na ako ba,
08:46when you talk about safety,
08:48nobody can guarantee 100%,
08:51but at least,
08:51it should have been 99%,
08:5498%,
08:54dili kay,
08:55kuhan ba?
08:57If,
08:57if,
08:57if,
08:57if,
09:26nag-
09:28the next question is,
09:29from at least what you saw,
09:31did,
09:32what were,
09:32were this still unmet?
09:34What were these that are still unmet,
09:36now that we want to reopen it?
09:39Well,
09:39first and foremost,
09:40because of the trash line,
09:42it is EMB who declared,
09:44closed na siya.
09:45It's not the local government unit.
09:47It's the EMB.
09:48And,
09:49and,
09:49nakita,
09:50yun,
09:50makita nyo,
09:52it's a 2,000 area na itong
09:53na material recovery facility.
09:56Mga steel trusses to,
09:57sir.
09:58Grabe to.
09:59But,
09:59ugtanao nyo right after,
10:01because I arrived there that very evening,
10:04muro siya gipilo,
10:05pilo.
10:06And that explain why 36 were not able to survive.
10:10So,
10:10mawto nga,
10:12mawto nga,
10:14nga,
10:15nga,
10:16nagpadayon ang ilahang,
10:19I don't know if remediation,
10:20but it's more on,
10:21on the rehabilitation.
10:23And from the way I look at it,
10:24karon,
10:26di li gan yung rehabilitation?
10:28Well,
10:28first and foremost,
10:30wadjukwin nakita nga,
10:34vent,
10:36parametane vent.
10:37Which was an issue,
10:39the last time.
10:40Ayan,
10:40sa unasad,
10:41wadjukwin nakita dito mga vent.
10:43Kaya ako,
10:44ni Saka medyo kusta ka sa unan niyana,
10:46together with Counselor Philip Safra,
10:48I never saw a single vertical pipe,
10:52no,
10:52that mo na siya ang gamiton
10:55para ang,
10:56ang methane gas,
10:58di siya mga accumulate,
10:59at least ma,
11:00hinahinay siya o release.
11:01Okay,
11:01that was one of the major concerns
11:03why there was a delay sa rescue,
11:05no?
11:05Yeah,
11:06yeah.
11:06And then second is,
11:08of course,
11:08ang kanang lichit na to,
11:10no?
11:11Kaneng,
11:11it's been a year na,
11:13it's been a year,
11:15last year pa,
11:16wala na mo operate
11:17ang ilahang
11:18water treatment facility.
11:20And then,
11:21right after the incident,
11:23during the executive session,
11:25and they relayed to us,
11:26this was like five months ago,
11:27and they told us nga,
11:29yeah,
11:30yeah,
11:30wala na siya mag-operate,
11:31but we hired a private service provider,
11:33kamay mo sak sa lichit,
11:36yan sila mo treat.
11:37And during that particular executive session,
11:40that was five months ago,
11:41ang ilang giingon na ako,
11:44na ako na sila yung service provider,
11:45akong pangunta na,
11:46kinsama na,
11:47unsama na nga kumpanya,
11:48ha?
11:48Because,
11:49kama,
11:50kita nga rin sa,
11:51Cebu,
11:52we should also be mindful,
11:54o giunsa nila pag-treat,
11:55o guwa ba na sila makakos,
11:57o inconvenience,
11:58more so,
12:00environmental,
12:01ah,
12:02violation na sa,
12:03sa ubang lugar.
12:05Labaw na,
12:06o nari rin sa ato,
12:07ah,
12:07no?
12:08So,
12:08muna akong ipangunta na,
12:09in fact,
12:11kagahapon nga,
12:12buntag nga,
12:13executive session,
12:15ako silang ipangunta na,
12:16can you provide us,
12:18a schematic diagram,
12:19o giunsa na ninyo,
12:20pag in place,
12:21ang atong mga,
12:22lichet,
12:23kanang,
12:24asa na na sila napita,
12:26kaya,
12:26amung nakita gahapon,
12:28tuod na,
12:28sila yung ipotang,
12:30nga,
12:30nga,
12:30nga,
12:31nga,
12:31nga,
12:32nga,
12:32nga,
12:33nga,
12:33nga,
12:34nga,
12:34nga,
12:34nga,
12:34nga,
12:35mga,
12:35mga membrane,
12:35nga,
12:36nga,
12:36saan mo,
12:37agi,
12:37ang lichet,
12:38baro,
12:38wapag,
12:39mo itong,
12:41purpose na kung ana,
12:41ang city health,
12:43pero,
12:43wapag,
12:43saan kahatag,
12:44o,
12:44report pa,
12:45ang city health,
12:45gagahapon,
12:46and also,
12:47nangayos sa,
12:48kong schematic diagram,
12:53And they said they were going to provide us yesterday, but until now, it's not.
12:57But I've been asking them results, technical assessment, results, until now, they won't provide.
13:09They're not so transparent in that regard.
13:11And what makes me even more concerned or even curious, the factors that you are citing right now are supposed
13:22to be among the factors that the EMV should also be looking at.
13:28So what do you think was their basis when they decided that they're ready to lift the cease and desist
13:39order?
13:40That's also one question that I really want to ask from them.
13:45What are your basis?
13:47And then first question, perhaps, can you assure that safe na siya?
13:53Just imagine, if you're going to go slow protection.
13:58If you're going to go slow protection, you'll have to go benching and do some things on the floor, you'll
14:03have to go.
14:06So, for example, if you're going to be a mask, you're going to be a sponge.
14:12A lot of water is there.
14:15That's a lot of water that affects the stability.
14:19no
14:21integrity
14:21sa maong
14:23sa maong
14:23slope
14:24so
14:24so
14:25wagid matubag
14:26and then all they do
14:27did was
14:28nas like cap
14:29na 500
14:30no
14:31niya
14:31usasad no
14:32warang ganahan
14:33sagay kung may ba
14:34o ba
14:34like
14:36151,000
14:37metric tons
14:38so
14:39akong gingnan sila
14:40niya
14:40magbutang naman ta diya
14:41o mga basura pa diya
14:42ikompact na ninyo diya
14:44so pila na lang
14:45pila na lang
14:46atong ma-accommodate
14:47no
14:48so dili ikompact mo na
14:50maka-receive pa
14:51mga taong daghanin ko
14:52you mean to say
14:53kay usually ko no
14:540.5 ko no
14:55kung saka basura ko no
14:57ikompact na ninyo
14:580.5
14:59inko
14:59klaruhan ko no na to
15:01unsa may na
15:02sa lifting
15:03unsa may na
15:04diya
15:05nga makadawat mo
15:07500
15:08tons per day
15:09nga
15:09compacted
15:10or not compacted
15:12muragka murag
15:12may nag-isgut
15:13diya nga
15:13kamoy ikompact
15:14no
15:15kay para na ako
15:16huwag akong tanaw
15:17wait ma na
15:18metric tons
15:20wait na
15:21ang kabagato na
15:23and one way
15:24of
15:25of
15:25of
15:26of
15:27monitoring that
15:28is
15:28every time
15:29na yung
15:29mustood niya
15:30nga garbage truck
15:31timbangon man
15:32so on
15:33sabi na yung basis
15:33na to
15:34ang timbang
15:35or ka na pag matamata
15:36lang na to
15:37nga kita
15:37magbench
15:37so daghan kayo
15:40yung mga pangutan
15:41ng left unanswered
15:42ako
15:44kaning
15:44mindful ko
15:45kay labi na magabi
15:46daghan kayo
15:48ang basura
15:48sa atong
15:49major thoroughfare
15:50because it took a while
15:52before makuha
15:53niya
15:53kaya mag-lead niya
15:54in town
15:54ang itong mga garbage truck
15:56dito sa block 27
15:57muna
15:58maabutan ko
15:58nagkadlaon sila
15:59so dili basta-basta
16:00itong kahimtang karoon
16:01so the faster
16:03nga doon natay
16:04mga solusyon ni Ani
16:05mas maayaw
16:06unta
16:06dili lang sa atong
16:08panodlanan
16:08kundi lipod sa atong
16:10palibot
16:10so yeah
16:12which is actually
16:13where the next
16:15kind of questions
16:16that I would be asking
16:17but specific to
16:18the capacity
16:20that you mentioned
16:21if our viewers
16:22would remember
16:23kind of
16:24one of the
16:25red flags
16:25supposedly
16:26katong
16:27before pa na
16:28happened
16:28ang katong
16:29tragedy
16:30was because
16:31there was already
16:32a feedback
16:33that it was
16:33nearing capacity
16:35months before
16:36and then sadly
16:37wala siya na
16:38address
16:38that's why
16:39ni-slide siya
16:40eventually
16:41na
16:42ni-accident
16:43now
16:43karoon
16:44given
16:45I read it also
16:46from the news
16:47given na medyo
16:48questionable
16:49ang capacity
16:51for this one
16:52although
16:54nitubag man sila
16:54nga di sila
16:55ka-assure
16:55murag it also
16:57is a question mark
16:58for me
16:58dapat gikalkulate
16:59ganoon nila
17:00ang capacity
17:00and for how long
17:02it can continue
17:03to receive garbage
17:04otherwise
17:06they would
17:07pile up
17:08again
17:08and become
17:09a dump
17:10site
17:10and then
17:11the same
17:11katong
17:12magigituan
17:12about
17:12rainwater
17:13the same
17:14tragedy
17:15could
17:15still
17:16happen
17:17as you said
17:19earlier
17:19dagahan kay
17:20mga questions
17:21nga
17:21ipapakana
17:22kay matod pa nila
17:24naasla yung mga
17:25technical
17:25assessment
17:26in every
17:27paghuman sa bagyo
17:29paghuman sa linog
17:30naasla yung technical
17:31assessment
17:32kay
17:32i-monitor na nila
17:33kay
17:34taas ko na
17:35pero
17:36niingon sila
17:37na nga
17:37yukoskopya
17:37niingon sila
17:38nga
17:39ang ilang mga
17:39computer na
17:40appeal ko
17:41no
17:41huwag katabon
17:41yes
17:42I heard right
17:42about that
17:43also
17:43I mean
17:44iCloud
17:45what i
17:45iCloud
17:46no
17:47no
17:47for a
17:48company
17:48as
17:48rich
17:50as
17:50them
17:51wala
17:51rason
17:52di ba
17:54pun
17:55intended
18:00magkatawa
18:01ta ba
18:01pero
18:01aside
18:02to bagun lang
18:02taging ana
18:03ba
18:03and then
18:04also
18:05we want
18:05transparency
18:06and then
18:07also
18:08it break my
18:08heart
18:09that supposedly
18:09the media
18:10should have
18:11been there
18:11in
18:14also
18:14monitoring
18:16kay
18:16more
18:17more
18:17nga
18:17it
18:17yung
18:17upat
18:18nga
18:18branch
18:18goberno
18:19no
18:19pero
18:20they
18:20were
18:20not
18:21allowed
18:21to
18:22enter
18:22and
18:23then
18:23pero
18:24okay
18:25ang basura
18:25musod
18:26so
18:27delete
18:27sila
18:27gusto
18:27sa media
18:28kaya
18:28basing
18:28man
18:29ni
18:29maho
18:29tingali
18:33sorry
18:34sorry
18:34mga
18:34magkatawa
18:35but
18:35that's
18:36how
18:36the
18:37circumstance
18:37would
18:38look like
18:39so
18:40what
18:40many
18:41Cebuanos
18:42don't
18:43have a
18:44full
18:44appreciation
18:44is
18:45also
18:46because
18:46ang
18:47madunggan
18:47mangod
18:48nila
18:48and
18:48I'll
18:49give you
18:49the
18:49chance
18:49also
18:50to
18:50educate
18:50us
18:51better
18:52ang
18:52madunggan
18:53mangod
18:53nila
18:53is
18:53the
18:54high
18:54cost
18:54no
18:55of
18:56I think
18:57the new
18:57site
18:57is
18:58Aluginsan
18:58no
18:59which
18:59is
18:59very
19:00far
19:00and
19:01then
19:01press
19:02release
19:03mangod
19:03that
19:03they
19:04get
19:04to
19:04read
19:05is
19:06ang
19:06cost
19:07no
19:07ni
19:07balloon
19:08yun
19:08siya
19:08since
19:09we
19:09moved
19:10to
19:10Aluginsan
19:11but
19:11not
19:11everybody
19:12also
19:13has
19:13the
19:14enough
19:15information
19:15for them
19:16to
19:16weigh
19:17cost
19:17of course
19:18is a
19:19factor
19:19and
19:20it's
19:21a
19:21valid
19:21reason
19:23to
19:23consider
19:24this
19:24but
19:25at
19:25the
19:25same
19:25time
19:26wala nila
19:26nakita
19:27kayo
19:27ang
19:27the
19:28left
19:28side
19:29of
19:29the
19:29equation
19:29which
19:30is
19:30safety
19:30yeah
19:31no
19:32so
19:32can
19:33you
19:33oh
19:34educate
19:35the
19:36viewers
19:36better
19:37on
19:38this
19:38at
19:39least
19:39two
19:39competing
19:42priorities
19:43kanis
19:44siya
19:44nangitabo
19:45ni siya
19:45high cost
19:47safety
19:48because
19:49it was
19:50never
19:50really
19:51a priority
19:52of the
19:53city
19:53when we
19:54talk about
19:54solid waste
19:55management
19:55this is
19:56it's also
19:58very unfair
19:58I said
19:59to myself
19:59it's also
20:01very unfair
20:01nga
20:02it's
20:02it's
20:03it's
20:03kasamtangan
20:04naglingkod
20:05yan
20:05mayor
20:05because
20:05this
20:07is
20:07decades
20:08of
20:08neglect
20:09if you
20:11recall
20:11ang kanang
20:12itong
20:12inayawan
20:13landfill
20:13nagsugod
20:14na siya
20:15i-construct
20:16na siya
20:16in 2015
20:17operational
20:18na siya
20:19no
20:191995
20:20nag-construct
20:22and then
20:221998
20:23nagsugod
20:24na siya
20:25i-operate
20:257 years
20:26tra
20:27ang iyang
20:27lifespan
20:28so supposedly
20:30pag humaan
20:30sa 2005
20:31dili
20:33na siya
20:33pero
20:34sa may
20:34naitapo
20:34wakmantay
20:36alternative
20:38wakmantay
20:39fallback
20:39nga
20:40scenario
20:41nagpadayong
20:42ragitaw
20:43labay
20:44dia
20:44to a point
20:44na nahimo
20:45na siya
20:45ang bukit
20:46and then
20:47napasiradaan
20:47na siya
20:48sometime
20:48between
20:492014
20:492015
20:50ni Mayor
20:51Rama
20:51but when
20:52the
20:53assuming
20:54mayor
20:54sa 2016
20:55pag-assume
20:56ni
20:56Mayor
20:57Osmeña
20:58iya
20:58mag-iabli
20:59haggbalik
20:59so wala
21:01should
21:01regard
21:02sa
21:04environmental
21:05impact
21:06kay
21:07ang ihasang
21:08battle cry
21:09ato
21:09mahal
21:09actually
21:11mahal
21:11ugwa kay
21:12plano
21:12because
21:14wala
21:14mantamang
21:14plano
21:15niya
21:15then
21:16I was
21:17forced
21:17to stand
21:18on behalf
21:18of the
21:18environment
21:19of the
21:19people
21:20living
21:21within
21:21the
21:22vicinity
21:22nga
21:23ni-file
21:23ko
21:23grit
21:23of
21:24kalikasan
21:24so
21:25nahunong
21:26but
21:26just
21:27imagine
21:27my
21:28frustration
21:29ni
21:30Sirata
21:30og
21:31dump
21:32site
21:32open
21:32dump
21:33site
21:33only
21:33to
21:33find
21:34out
21:34to
21:34open
21:34another
21:35dump
21:35site
21:36that
21:36even
21:36cost
21:3736
21:38lives
21:39and
21:40then
21:40right
21:40after
21:40that
21:40nag-thrash
21:41slide
21:41nagbali
21:43na sa
21:43taglaing
21:43dump
21:43site
21:44nga
21:44na-adara
21:45sa
21:45mga
21:47locators
21:47sa SRP
21:48sa
21:49PAND-A
21:49nag-reklamo
21:51in town
21:51so
21:52karuna
21:53sad
21:53na
21:53nasa
21:53tadi
21:54rey
21:54sa
21:55Black
21:5527
21:56nga
21:57nga
21:57to
21:57nasa
21:57naglinya
21:58because
21:58it was
21:59a
22:00transfer
22:00station
22:00o
22:01tanawin
22:02mo
22:04di
22:04yun
22:05efficient
22:05siya
22:06kaya
22:06nagkabalda
22:07man siya
22:08sa
22:08collection
22:08na to
22:09kaya
22:11napahunta
22:11slight
22:12duha
22:12tulog
22:13upat
22:13turn around
22:14sila
22:14makakolekta
22:15tungkol
22:15maglinya
22:16man sila
22:17so
22:18para na
22:18ko ba
22:19immediate
22:19lang
22:20which is
22:20I relate
22:21to the
22:21mayor
22:21ba
22:22humingisigot
22:22at
22:22ang
22:22solusyon
22:23ba
22:23sa
22:24pagkakaroon
22:24in the
22:25absence
22:25of a
22:25long
22:25term
22:26solution
22:26kaya
22:26sa
22:26pagkakaroon
22:27wag
22:27mang
22:27good
22:27sa
22:27historia
22:28a
22:29long
22:29term
22:29solution
22:29para
22:30tanah
22:30ko
22:31dili
22:31na to
22:32ibutang
22:32ang
22:32tanah
22:32ng
22:33itlog
22:33sa
22:33osaga
22:33basket
22:34i-distribute
22:35na to
22:36kay
22:36musugutas
22:37madili
22:37kaning
22:38volume
22:39nga
22:39itong
22:39ibutan
22:40sa
22:40osaga
22:40facility
22:42ma-overwhelm
22:43sila
22:43so
22:43I was
22:44telling
22:45the
22:45mayor
22:46right
22:46after
22:47the
22:47trash
22:48slide
22:48less
22:49than
22:4924
22:49hours
22:50na
22:50itong
22:51i-distribute
22:51itong
22:51basura
22:52huwag
22:53itong
22:53i-negotiate
22:54sa
22:55konsolasyon
22:55mo daw
22:56manas
22:57200
22:57ba
22:57and
22:58in fact
22:58katong
22:59sa
22:59talisay
22:59immediately
23:00after
23:00that
23:01mo daw
23:0150
23:01no
23:03and
23:03then
23:03the
23:04rest
23:04karun
23:05niya
23:06we could
23:08also
23:08send
23:08there
23:08something
23:09like
23:09200
23:09no
23:10niya
23:11huwag
23:11ablim
23:11mangani
23:12na
23:12ang
23:12binalyo
23:13na
23:13masla
23:14i-intirib
23:14pwede
23:14makapadalan
23:15tanito
23:16100
23:16no
23:17niya
23:18huwag
23:19unsamanggani
23:20gamay na lang
23:20ang maabot
23:20sa
23:21loginsan
23:21so
23:22there
23:22is
23:22really
23:24cost
23:24saving
23:25ba
23:25huwag
23:25itong
23:26i-distribute
23:26na siya
23:27huwag
23:27one
23:28thing
23:28nalang
23:28sa
23:28nakaayon
23:29niya
23:29na huwag
23:29daghanta
23:30huwag
23:30alternatibo
23:31is
23:32huwag
23:32mupalya
23:32mubag
23:33down
23:33dita
23:34magkrisis
23:34correct
23:35so
23:35that
23:35was
23:35my
23:36advice
23:36ba
23:36namayo
23:37unta
23:38pero
23:39huwag
23:40yapon
23:40we put
23:41everything
23:42dito
23:43sa
23:43loginsan
23:44now
23:44second
23:46kung sa mga
23:47technology
23:48ako
23:49diis ako
23:49kasabot
23:50in fairness
23:51to the mayor
23:52he is
23:52against
23:52WTE
23:53and that
23:54explain
23:55why
23:55ang
23:55joint
23:56venture
23:57agreement
23:57with
23:57New Sky
23:58ang
23:58ilahag
23:59kapital
24:00ito
24:00is around
24:01more than
24:015 billion
24:02magka
24:03generate
24:0318
24:04megawatts
24:05which
24:05could have
24:06been on
24:06its
24:07way
24:07by now
24:07which
24:08is
24:08maayun
24:09unta
24:09kaya
24:09that
24:10could
24:10help
24:10around
24:1120
24:11to
24:1130
24:11thousand
24:12households
24:13which
24:13is
24:14okay
24:15ito
24:16ang
24:16VECO
24:16nga
24:16sila
24:17makuha
24:17kaya
24:17yung
24:17GCP
24:18napuno
24:18naman
24:19so
24:20maigo
24:21ba
24:21maigo
24:22ni mo
24:22ang
24:22problema
24:23sa
24:23basura
24:23which
24:24is
24:24environmentally
24:25compliant
24:26100
24:27times
24:27better
24:27than
24:28landfill
24:28and
24:29also
24:30our
24:30power
24:31shortage
24:31kaya
24:31wag
24:32magintay
24:32power
24:33generation
24:34nga
24:35diri
24:35sa
24:35dakba
24:36yan
24:36sa
24:36subo
24:36so
24:38ingana
24:38on
24:38tato
24:39but
24:39then
24:40di man
24:40siya
24:40okay
24:41well
24:41and
24:42good
24:42i
24:42respect
24:43that
24:43pero
24:43Karuna
24:44said
24:44ang
24:45atong
24:45vice
24:45mayor
24:46na
24:46nasa
24:46siya
24:46idea
24:47which
24:48is
24:48incineration
24:48minus
24:49the
24:51power
24:51component
24:52and
24:53mind
24:53you
24:53kanyang
24:54New Sky
24:54during
24:54his
24:55term
24:552000
24:55to
24:562019
24:562016
24:58nanana
24:59in fact
25:00New Sky
25:00has been
25:01sending
25:02counselors
25:03way back
25:04then
25:04to Bangkok
25:05which
25:05is
25:05the
25:05nearest
25:05Bangkok
25:06because
25:07we have
25:08the same
25:08type
25:08of
25:09municipal
25:09waste
25:09the same
25:10moisture
25:10the same
25:11weather
25:11the same
25:12type
25:12of people
25:13the same
25:14behavior
25:14so
25:15did
25:15which is
25:16also
25:16very
25:17efficient
25:17usap
25:18in
25:18way back
25:182017
25:19karoon
25:20mo
25:20lima
25:21na
25:21ang
25:21ilahang
25:22WTE
25:23waste
25:24to
25:24energy
25:25so
25:25so
25:26pero
25:27what
25:27man
25:27niyagi
25:27indoors
25:29so
25:30wala
25:30back to
25:31square one
25:31so
25:32Karo
25:33Karo
25:33Nazad
25:34June
25:354
25:35I have
25:36a solution
25:37to the
25:37problem
25:38ang among
25:38presiding
25:38officer
25:39I have
25:40an
25:40incineration
25:41minus
25:41mahal
25:42na
25:42waste
25:43to
25:43energy
25:43that's
25:44bullshit
25:45these
25:45are
25:46money
25:46making
25:47kuhan
25:47kuhan
25:47kuhan
25:49wala
25:49natin
25:49tipping
25:50fee
25:50all
25:50we
25:50need
25:51is
25:51a
25:51loan
25:51to
25:52land
25:52bank
25:52you
25:53can
25:53trace
25:54that
25:54month
25:54a
25:54minute
25:55loan
25:55in
25:56the
25:56amount
25:56of
25:56350
25:57million
25:57I
25:58have
25:58the
25:59amount
25:59as
26:00a
26:00loan
26:01but
26:02it's not
26:02a lot
26:02of
26:03technology
26:04so
26:05I
26:06can
26:06give me
26:12one month
26:13so
26:13we
26:13gave
26:14him
26:1430
26:14days
26:14that
26:15was
26:15in
26:15June
26:154
26:18September
26:209
26:21September
26:229
26:24and
26:27then
26:27recently
26:27I
26:28heard
26:28him
26:28the
26:30tipping
26:30fee
26:30that
26:30you
26:30are
26:30paying
26:31there
26:32you
26:32pay
26:33half
26:34so
26:34from
26:35no
26:35tipping
26:36fee
26:36half
26:37so
26:58which is
27:00to be a
27:00missed
27:00opportunity
27:01that could have been a miss
27:02you know what
27:03akong
27:03kikumparar
27:04karun
27:04we're paying
27:051,200
27:06per metric ton
27:07kato
27:081,000
27:09and then
27:10not only
27:11that
27:11we'll get
27:12a share
27:12of the
27:12power
27:13which is
27:14around
27:143 to
27:155%
27:15and not
27:16only
27:17that
27:17i-compare
27:18nimo
27:18ang
27:20operation
27:20sa
27:20usaka
27:21landfill
27:21or usaka
27:22waste
27:22to
27:22energy
27:22you
27:23cannot
27:23compare
27:24it
27:24because
27:25the rest
27:27of the
27:28world
27:28that's
27:29the way
27:30to
27:30go
27:31singapore
27:31has
27:31five
27:32which
27:32are
27:32more
27:32or
27:33less
27:33the
27:33same
27:33population
27:34as
27:34of
27:34the
27:34entire
27:35cebu
27:35island
27:35i have
27:36to
27:36mention
27:36it
27:37again
27:37tokyo
27:38has
27:3821
27:39so
27:40it
27:48could have
27:49been
27:50and
27:51the
27:52question
27:52supposedly
27:53of
27:53the
27:54environmental
27:55hazards
27:56given
27:57these
27:57benchmarks
27:58can
27:59already
28:00be
28:00established
28:01yes
28:02yes
28:03but
28:05there
28:06are
28:06already
28:08used
28:08cases
28:09that
28:09are
28:10successful
28:11yeah
28:12in fact
28:12in fact
28:13i tell
28:13you
28:14the
28:14ambassador
28:15of
28:15vietnam
28:16is a
28:17classmate
28:18of mine
28:18sa
28:18up
28:18and
28:19he
28:19said
28:19why
28:20did
28:20you
28:20come
28:20over
28:21here
28:21we
28:21have
28:22the
28:22second
28:22largest
28:23waste
28:24to
28:24energy
28:24facility
28:25in the
28:25world
28:26that
28:27can
28:27process
28:285,000
28:29tons
28:29a day
28:30and
28:31you have
28:31to compare
28:32to
28:32Hanoi
28:34Hanoi
28:35they have
28:358,000
28:36international
28:37arrivals
28:38and then
28:39around
28:3932
28:40they
28:40appealed
28:41domestic
28:42arrivals
28:42just imagine
28:44the amount
28:44of garbage
28:45they accumulate
28:46on a daily
28:46basis
28:47but look
28:48tourists
28:49go there
28:50talk
28:51because
28:52they were
28:53able
28:53to address
28:54the
28:54very
28:55basic
28:55service
28:56which
28:57is
28:57solid
28:57waste
28:57so
28:59i hope
28:59the
29:00viewers
29:00were able
29:00to
29:01capture
29:02looking
29:03at the
29:03cost
29:04is
29:04a
29:05valid
29:06concern
29:06but
29:07the
29:08safety
29:08and
29:08the
29:08environmental
29:09aspect
29:10is
29:10also
29:11at least
29:12at the
29:12very
29:12least
29:12an
29:13equally
29:13valid
29:13issue
29:16we'll
29:16just
29:17solve
29:17this
29:17and
29:17then
29:18we
29:18neglect
29:19this
29:20one
29:20the
29:20other
29:21piece
29:21also
29:22I'd
29:23like
29:23also
29:23the
29:23viewers
29:24to
29:24better
29:25understand
29:27is
29:28when
29:29they
29:30look at
29:30waste
29:30to
29:31energy
29:31although
29:31we
29:31covered
29:32this
29:32before
29:32there's
29:33always
29:34the
29:34equation
29:34because
29:36it's
29:36working
29:36in
29:37segregation
29:38which
29:39is
29:39to me
29:39it's
29:40also
29:40noble
29:40it's
29:41about
29:41time
29:42also
29:42that
29:42Filipinos
29:43or
29:43Sabuanos
29:44will
29:44have
29:44a
29:44better
29:44appreciation
29:46our
29:46garbage
29:47are
29:47not
29:47things
29:48that
29:48we
29:48just
29:48dump
29:49just
29:50like
29:50that
29:50or
29:51that
29:51we
29:51don't
29:52have
29:52to
29:52even
29:52manage
29:53and
29:53control
29:54them
29:54right
29:54in
29:55our
29:55own
29:55household
29:56so
29:56this
29:56is
29:57also
29:57a
29:58valid
29:58action
29:59plan
29:59but
29:59I'd like
30:00the
30:00viewers
30:00also
30:00to
30:01appreciate
30:01that
30:03this
30:03is
30:03not
30:04a
30:04behavior
30:04we
30:05can
30:05just
30:05establish
30:06in
30:06overnight
30:07yes
30:08so
30:08can
30:10you
30:10articulate
30:10that
30:11better
30:11the
30:11mayor
30:11just
30:12came
30:13from
30:13Yokohama
30:13and that's
30:14the same
30:15city
30:15I visited
30:16four or
30:17five months
30:17ago
30:18and then
30:19it was
30:20even
30:20reported
30:21it's
30:22a
30:26news
30:28arm
30:28of
30:29an
30:30english
30:30language
30:31news
30:32station
30:33oh
30:33yeah
30:34I
30:35forwarded
30:36you that
30:36in fact
30:36my daughter
30:37was also
30:37part
30:38interview
30:39they were
30:40very
30:40appreciative
30:41of what
30:41the mayor
30:42has been
30:42doing
30:42as a
30:43solid
30:44waste
30:44management
30:46we were
30:47able
30:48to
30:48address
30:49and
30:49recycle
30:5025
30:51about
30:5230
30:52tons
30:53a
30:53day
30:54in fact
30:55the mayor
30:55just
30:55visited
30:56appreciative
30:56of
30:57the
30:57chat
30:58group
30:58together
30:59with
30:59Yokohama
31:00solid
31:00waste
31:01management
31:01and
31:01they
31:02were
31:02appreciative
31:03but
31:04then
31:04they
31:04told
31:04me
31:05yes
31:05that's
31:05good
31:06but
31:06that
31:07will
31:07take
31:07time
31:08in
31:08fact
31:08Yokohama
31:09it took
31:11them
31:127
31:12years
31:12to
31:13reduce
31:13their
31:13garbage
31:14by
31:1430%
31:15and
31:16during
31:17those
31:17times
31:17they
31:18incineration
31:19they
31:20are not perfect
31:21waste
31:22to
31:22energy
31:24in
31:24other
31:25words
31:25we
31:26go on
31:26with
31:27the
31:27segregation
31:27we
31:28go on
31:28with
31:28the
31:28recycling
31:29we
31:29go on
31:30with
31:30the
31:30reuse
31:30and
31:30everything
31:31but
31:32as
31:33the bulk
31:34is
31:34do
31:35they
31:36are
31:37incineration
31:38they
31:38waste
31:38to
31:39energy
31:39so
31:40they
31:41going to
31:41malabay
31:42in fact
31:45even
31:46in
31:46Europe
31:47and
31:47in
31:47other
31:48countries
31:48like
31:48China
31:49the
31:50incineration
31:51is
31:54residual
31:55daily
31:55segregated
31:56but
31:56along
31:58the way
31:58people
31:59got
32:00educated
32:00people
32:01are
32:01beginning
32:01to be
32:02mindful
32:02of
32:02their
32:03ways
32:03people
32:04begin
32:05to be
32:05responsible
32:06and
32:06accountable
32:06of
32:07their
32:07ways
32:07but
32:09Yokohama
32:10they
32:10used
32:10to
32:10have
32:10four
32:11ways
32:12to
32:12energy
32:12facility
32:13they
32:14have
32:15three
32:15and
32:15the
32:15other
32:16one
32:16is
32:16back up
32:20in
32:22other
32:22words
32:22education
32:25behavior
32:28formation
32:29come in
32:31lang
32:31infrastructure
32:33sustainable
32:34now
32:35it's
32:37long
32:41term
32:43sustainable
32:57and
32:58by
32:59doing
32:59so
33:04it's
33:05the way
33:05to go
33:05side
33:11so I
33:13hope
33:13the viewers
33:14were able
33:14to capture
33:14that
33:16developing
33:17the
33:17behavior
33:17is
33:18also
33:20important
33:20but we
33:21also
33:22need
33:23a
33:23long
33:24term
33:24solution
33:25in
33:25parallel
33:26while
33:26we
33:27are
33:27forming
33:27the
33:28behavior
33:29we
33:30don't
33:31need
33:31this
33:32we're
33:33working
33:33on the
33:33behavior
33:34but
33:34the
33:35behavior
33:35actually
33:35takes
33:36time
33:37and you
33:37cited
33:37even
33:38Japan
33:38they're
33:40very
33:40disciplined
33:41people
33:41yes
33:42you
33:42know
33:43what
33:43Japan
33:44I don't
33:46know
33:46how many
33:47rivers
33:47are
33:48going to
33:49and then
33:50and who
33:51are we
33:51to question
33:52them
33:52and ask
33:53ways to
33:53energy
33:53who
33:54are we
33:55to
33:55question
33:55them
33:56I don't
33:58know
33:58I don't
33:58know
33:58if you
33:58are
33:59proud
33:59but
33:59Guinness
33:59book
34:00of
34:00record
34:00it
34:00is
34:00good
34:01but
34:01this
34:02I
34:02have
34:02to
34:02say
34:04around
34:05the
34:05world
34:05we're
34:06number
34:06one
34:06marine
34:07plastic
34:08pollutants
34:08canang
34:10country
34:10like
34:11China
34:11more
34:11than
34:12a
34:12billion
34:12people
34:12i-appeal
34:13pa
34:13ni mo
34:13ang
34:14India
34:14more
34:14than
34:14a
34:15billion
34:15people
34:15i-appeal
34:16pa
34:16ni mo
34:16ang
34:17Brazil
34:17which
34:18is
34:18like
34:18half
34:18a
34:18billion
34:19people
34:19ang
34:20ilahang
34:21plastic
34:22na
34:23na
34:24pollute
34:24niya
34:24but
34:24sa
34:24dagat
34:25mas
34:25dagahan
34:26pa
34:26ang
34:26Pilipinas
34:27so
34:28that
34:29speak
34:30big
34:31of
34:32our
34:32behavior
34:32on
34:33how
34:33we
34:33treat
34:34our
34:35environment
34:35of
34:36how
34:36we
34:36treat
34:36our
34:36marine
34:37life
34:37so
34:39but
34:39it should
34:45start
34:45within
34:45it should
34:46start
34:46within
34:47but
34:47then
34:47again
34:47the
34:49government
34:49must
34:50build
34:50the
34:51right
34:51the
34:52necessary
34:52infrastructure
34:54in order
34:55sustainable
35:25our
35:27work
35:27environment should also reinforce
35:29that behavior.
35:30Otherwise, if it doesn't,
35:33then it makes compliance difficult
35:35instead of
35:37encouraging it.
35:38So that's why it's really
35:42personal accountability and I hope
35:45the viewers have captured that. But there's
35:47also the infrastructure
35:48that supports that behavior
35:50to encourage people
35:52to sustain
35:54the behavior. So now,
35:59every day in the buwan,
36:01it's just a little bit.
36:02And for me, this is already
36:05predictable.
36:08Inayawan, the lessons
36:09of Inayawan, and then Binalio,
36:11the lessons of Binalio, and
36:13it looks like, it's re-open
36:15now. And
36:16what do you think
36:20needs to really change
36:23for us to get out from this
36:25cycle?
36:26Okay, at least
36:28ako lang ha, basig sayup ko, but
36:29as an everyday person, makapredict na
36:31gyan ko nga, do it now. And
36:33again, cost is a valid
36:34issue. But I will also
36:36can say nga, do it now. And
36:38in the absence of safety,
36:40I can already
36:42foresee
36:42year, how it will look like
36:44well, uh, we have no
36:48overnight answer to them.
36:50no, no, no.
36:51Parang na ako, uh, for the next few
36:53years, we'll be like this
36:56year. But it would have been
36:59different.
37:02But at the very least, we have an answer for the
37:08sustainable solution. At least...
37:10Do you know something to look forward to?
37:13At the end of the tunnel,
37:15it's like looking for a black cat
37:20in the dark room blindfolded.
37:22It's not a lie.
37:23It's not a lie.
37:24It's not a lie.
37:26It's a lie.
37:27But this is...
37:30He's trying to figure out the factors
37:33that are involved.
37:35But at the very least,
37:37we should be decisive on what course to go.
37:41Yes, education.
37:42But I said,
37:43I'll come back.
37:44That will not take overnight.
37:46It will take some time.
37:47And then,
37:48if you don't have benchmarking,
37:50look at the countries.
37:53So many information available.
37:55You're not going to leave.
37:56He's not going to leave.
37:58In fact,
38:00it's not a lie to the national government.
38:04That WTE is the way to go.
38:06In fact,
38:08the world's most likely
38:10that the people who are awarded
38:13or maybe
38:16they're going to leave.
38:19A year ago,
38:20we were the first
38:21number one.
38:22In fact,
38:23the Department of Energy has been calling us.
38:25Where are you?
38:27Because other LGUs are
38:28wait and see sila.
38:30Another missed opportunity.
38:34Missed opportunity.
38:34But sige lang.
38:35That could have made a difference
38:36for the country,
38:37not just for Sabuanos.
38:39But you know,
38:40that's water under the...
38:42Pero ang ako ba,
38:44at least the present administration
38:47must have a concrete...
38:49Okay.
38:49Pila naman may kabukun siya
38:51nangayo o...
38:53nangayo o...
38:55kung sa may solution,
38:56long term solution sa mayor,
38:58can you please help navigate us
39:00on how to get away
39:02ni aning problema hagaron?
39:04Ako pirmiro ng Utana,
39:06then sunod si Alcover,
39:07sunod nasan si Harold Goh.
39:09Yeah.
39:10Gahapon,
39:11si...
39:11si Dave Tumulak.
39:13Nang Utana,
39:14asa man ta pa dong, no?
39:17Ah...
39:17Kaya kami,
39:18kung sa iyang gusto,
39:20tabang man ta,
39:21kaya ato man yung problema.
39:23Pero sa pagkakaroon,
39:25upirmi lang ta ng aluginsan,
39:28what ta?
39:28And magsigipo dag reklamo sa cause,
39:30which is again valid,
39:32but why are we not working on the same?
39:34But why are we not working on the same?
39:36But why are we not working on the same?
39:38Just imagine,
39:40magka-dump na dia sa konsolasyon,
39:42which is para na ko,
39:43nagpa-abot na sila, no?
39:45Kaya nga lang sa,
39:46diplomasyasad ta, no?
39:48Bisa gamay na siya,
39:49itandik rin sa toa,
39:50pero,
39:51nangayo tagtabang,
39:52mohang yun ta.
39:53Just imagine,
39:54kung nai 200 times mo accommodate sila,
39:56huwak na tayo problema sa mabolo,
39:57huwak na tayo problema rin sa banilan,
39:59huwak na tayo problema rin sa kamag...
40:02Kano'y sa APAS,
40:05na tapatago sa SRP.
40:06So,
40:07na na,
40:08ma-address na na dito.
40:09No?
40:10O panalitan,
40:11o labay magay sa Binalyo,
40:12o kanang limited lang kayo,
40:14kaya naman ito sila in-terim,
40:15perhaps we can put there a hundred, no?
40:18And then,
40:19naaman na ang Toledo,
40:20I hope,
40:21operational na ba na sila,
40:23we can deliver perhaps 200 or 300 dito.
40:27And the remaining perhaps,
40:28gamay na lang mo abot sa Luginsan.
40:30So,
40:31that alone,
40:32dako na kayo nagma-save.
40:33Okay?
40:34Tiaw mo na,
40:34tiping firan kung hindi mo pang bayaran sa ban.
40:36Correct.
40:37Pero, huwak na siyag adventure.
40:38And I believe,
40:40huwak na,
40:41hindi mo na pwede nga,
40:43nga,
40:44ang muhimu,
40:44sa term of reference,
40:45ang back.
40:46They have to,
40:47they have to consult on what is now the,
40:50the, the, the,
40:51the situation na ito.
40:52We are in a crisis.
40:53So, we have to be innovative.
40:55Dili ka ibububu lang ni mo tanan.
40:57Nga mahal kayo,
40:58sigang reklamo mahal o say,
40:59makaruda nun ta.
41:01Ganong,
41:01kaneng kapahal ba?
41:03Kaneng,
41:03wabakay.
41:05Walay nagmahal ani.
41:06Wabakay.
41:07Wabakay.
41:08Wabakay ni burot ani.
41:09O.
41:11Sorry.
41:12Anyway,
41:13Kuala,
41:13down to my last two questions na lang.
41:16I remembered that when the accident happened in Binalio in January,
41:21nag tinuklura ito kung kinsa ang accountable for it, no?
41:27Nga,
41:27daghang magsuti nga kaninga office, kaninga office, kaninga office, kaninga office,
41:31but my disappointment there,
41:34and I'm actually talking about the chief executive, no?
41:37My disappointment there is because nobody came forward to actually say,
41:41I own this one and I'm taking accountability.
41:44So karun,
41:45sige murag,
41:46for now, ipark sa to na to.
41:48But for me, mangun,
41:49the change na po,
41:50unta karun,
41:51nga muri open na ta,
41:53I was hoping for somebody to come forward also and saying,
41:56sige,
41:57all points considered,
41:59this is the way forward.
42:02Which, unfortunately,
42:03I am still not seeing.
42:05No, naghiyapon ta siya ni Tinukluray.
42:06Kung,
42:07unsa mangyudni, no?
42:08Kaya kung pangutan noon siya,
42:09niingon mangyud sila nga,
42:10pwede nang abrihan.
42:11But, what about you?
42:13What are your thoughts about this?
42:15Kaya, huma naman ta si Tinukluray sa unang,
42:17resulted to an accident,
42:19na mag Tinukluray na sa daani.
42:21What's keeping Cebu City in general ba?
42:24To have that kind of leadership that would,
42:26in moments like this,
42:28would really call the shots, no?
42:30You know, when you call the shots,
42:34part of which is to absorb heat.
42:37Hindi man pwede nga puros lang pagdaig, no?
42:42I remember, I think,
42:44ako naman nang ipadayag,
42:46ni surrender naman d'yo,
42:48nga ang katong waste to energy na ako,
42:50na hindi ligid.
42:52Digid mo salir, hindi mo lupad.
42:53I respect that.
42:54But, when he started talking about
42:56misinformation about what the project,
42:59the joint venture was all about,
43:00I call this attention.
43:02Ayaw paghimo o istorya.
43:05In fact, you were the one who interviewed him.
43:07Which are,
43:09upat kabok items dito,
43:10which are,
43:11wak mahitabo.
43:12Naghimo-himo siya.
43:14Okay rako.
43:15Istorya main siya nga.
43:16Sige din na to.
43:16So, anyway.
43:18Nga karo nasad,
43:19nga matulpan niya,
43:20nga nai initial lifting of the garbage,
43:24nga willing sila mo,
43:25mo dawat na.
43:26Nga di nalang kuno sila mo dawat,
43:28according to the mayor,
43:29because nai ka kunsihal niya,
43:30nga mag-deliver a privilege speech,
43:32nga nang luod sila.
43:33Nga nang luod sila.
43:34And then,
43:35ni apil pag isyag istorya nga,
43:37damage has been done.
43:39Ako higipasangilan.
43:40Or,
43:41anybody.
43:42No?
43:42And then it turned out,
43:43during our,
43:45during our,
43:47executive session together with Primeways,
43:49ni tender na sila mo participate,
43:51g-deny sila,
43:53because of some,
43:55items la,
43:56which is ang Phil Jepra nga wak ma-download.
43:59So,
44:00dili,
44:00inigo ng Primeways,
44:02kundi pa na tinood.
44:03Kanang g-di-diamond me.
44:04So,
44:05para na ako ba,
44:06sama sa'yong mag-isulti ba,
44:07let us not,
44:09kinsa may to be blamed.
44:11No, no, no.
44:12Ato man yung problema.
44:13Ato anong sawan.
44:14Ang pangunta na is,
44:16you have to lead the way.
44:17Huwag asada.
44:18Help us,
44:19show us how to navigate out of this,
44:22out of this crisis.
44:24Kaya as it is,
44:25wala man.
44:27But,
44:27I'm also appreciative of what he's been doing.
44:30But,
44:31time tells that will take time.
44:33No?
44:34But,
44:34in a macro level ba,
44:36unsaman.
44:37Asa man tapadong.
44:39Up to now,
44:42wala agad.
44:43And,
44:44my last question,
44:45and,
44:46hopefully,
44:47not our next conversation is ready.
44:49Kanang,
44:49this is finally moving forward.
44:51We've covered it already in this interview,
44:54and even in the past interview.
44:56But,
44:56for the benefit of our viewers,
44:58Bajo are still catching up with this particular concern.
45:02Why do you think,
45:04should Cebu City,
45:05murag pitipad yan, no?
45:06Why do you think,
45:07should Cebu City,
45:08look at beyond Binalio, no?
45:12Binalio is a solution,
45:14but it's not the only solution.
45:17Well,
45:18if you have to follow,
45:19uh,
45:20his narrative.
45:22Ang iyang solution,
45:23Ragyod,
45:23is open dam site.
45:24Yeah.
45:25No?
45:26And it ends there.
45:28No?
45:29Hoping,
45:30people will,
45:31be mindful now of their own,
45:32of their garbage.
45:34And then,
45:35although,
45:36kaneng,
45:36kuwan raka ba?
45:38Uh,
45:40kuwan raka kayo?
45:40Positive raka ba?
45:41There's nothing bad about that.
45:43But somehow,
45:45ideal raka kayo,
45:46but somehow,
45:47we have to be realistic ba?
45:48Mm.
45:49We have to have a,
45:50a,
45:51a realistic view of reality.
45:54No?
45:54Okay.
45:55It doesn't work that way.
45:56No?
45:56He should,
45:57I wish that he will be decisive.
46:01Mm.
46:01Because,
46:02community council,
46:03if we see something na maayo,
46:06we will throw,
46:07all our support.
46:09Kay,
46:10musugot as madili,
46:12ato mo yung problema tanan.
46:13And then,
46:14ah,
46:15nanakoy apo.
46:16I have a six month old,
46:18grandson.
46:19The other day,
46:19six month old na siya.
46:21Kung sa may legacy ang atong ibilin.
46:23And by the way,
46:24the first time we talked,
46:25he was born.
46:26He was born.
46:27Hahaha.
46:28I think,
46:28a day before the first conversation.
46:30And it's been,
46:32murag kaedad niya,
46:33ang iso.
46:33Okay, continue.
46:35I mean,
46:36para na ako ba?
46:37I mean,
46:38unsa may atong ibilin
46:40sa sunod nga henerasyon?
46:42Or ka na akong apo?
46:43Sure.
46:45A legacy of garbage?
46:47No?
46:48Ah,
46:49we have to do something.
46:50And then,
46:51you have to,
46:52kaneng, kaneng governance is,
46:53di lima ni siya kung geniality.
46:55No?
46:55Ah,
46:56we have to focus,
46:58one problem at a time.
47:00And then,
47:00you cannot solve everything.
47:01You focus on the very basic,
47:03which is,
47:05kaneng, kaneng basura.
47:06Kaya kaneng basura,
47:07nagkatay-katay man eh.
47:08Kaya kaneng basura gani,
47:09kung makastagnat ni siya sa,
47:11sa, sa, sa, sa, sa,
47:12sa, sa, sa pa,
47:13nag-flood ta.
47:15Kunyan kayo nag-flood man ta,
47:17nakabalda po ta sa trapiko.
47:18So, kanat-kanat ni siya.
47:20Now we have to solve that.
47:22No?
47:22Focus on that.
47:23And then,
47:25dili,
47:26we may not be able to enjoy it karun.
47:29We will not be appreciative
47:31in the next,
47:32a year or two.
47:33But,
47:34in the future,
47:35in the long run,
47:36we have to lay down the foundation.
47:38And it should start right now.
47:40And,
47:41thank you very much again for making time.
47:43It's supposed to be a holiday.
47:47But,
47:47you really made time for this conversation
47:50because it's also important.
47:51And by the way,
47:52while you were making those statements,
47:57I,
47:57and thank you because my personal takeaway,
48:00it reminded me also of a fundamental,
48:02among the fundamental rules of leadership,
48:04whether it's Typhoon,
48:06whether it's the Middle East crisis,
48:09or,
48:09or El Niño.
48:11So,
48:12we hope for the best.
48:14Why not?
48:15But,
48:15we plan for the worst.
48:17Yes.
48:18No?
48:18So, the same also for garbage.
48:21So, thank you also for reminding us
48:23that nugget of wisdom, no?
48:26Now, we hope that the behavior would change,
48:28and why not?
48:28And we will work on it.
48:30Yeah.
48:30And,
48:30but let's plan.
48:32Uh,
48:32if I may add lang lang, no?
48:34To all the,
48:35satanan nga mga garbage collector,
48:37garbage driver,
48:39grabe ilang hago, no?
48:41plihog,
48:42support them, no?
48:43Kaya,
48:44magkadlao na na sila pirmi.
48:46Huwag na atay mga,
48:47ihatag nila na,
48:48at least, no?
48:51wala'y gusto nga nakitaboon eh.
48:52And, but they're there.
48:53They're there.
48:54Palihog,
48:55you support your,
48:56your,
48:57garbage collector,
48:59tanan, uh,
49:00palihog,
49:01uh, support tayo na sila.
49:02Kaya,
49:03tao rasan na sila.
49:04Mubag down sa na ilang lawas.
49:06Mm.
49:06So, thank you very much,
49:08Counselor Joel.
49:08And hopefully,
49:09the next conversation is on a,
49:11better,
49:12circumstance na,
49:13and we all,
49:13we keep on saying that.
49:15We're on a second coming,
49:17Christ na man.
49:19Hopefully,
49:20and, and the other thing also,
49:21I think your grandson is,
49:23the benchmark, no?
49:24Yeah.
49:25Hopefully,
49:26by the time he celebrates his first birthday,
49:28we are at a better,
49:30moving forward pace na.
49:33Looking forward to it.
49:34Yeah.
49:35So,
49:35the issue is bigger than Binalio.
49:38It is about whether Cebu City has learned from the past,
49:42or whether we are simply repeating the same cycle with a different landfill.
49:48A sustainable solution goes beyond where we put our garbage today.
49:52It is about making sure Cebu will still have a safe and responsible way to manage its waste years from
50:02now.
50:02So, Cebu, let's continue to look deeper and think better.
50:05This is Beyond the Headlines.
50:08I'm DJ Moises.
50:09Have a good afternoon.
50:34Okay.
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50:41Then,
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50:43City Moises,
50:44It is.
50:44Five years.
50:49In the Ho muchos East,
50:49...
51:05a wonder God above all.
51:09Yes!
51:09You ought to know about how it might be,
51:10and I know when you get aeszed build,
51:10daaisy build is,
51:10The time is bright.
51:11Both дис rentals and money.
51:12You ought to try it.
51:12You ought to try it but your favouritenes of energy.
51:13The time is frankly you've got energy,
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