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IS THE BINALIW FACILITY REALLY SAFE TO OPERATE AGAIN? ⚠️
Months after the January 8 landfill disaster that claimed 36 lives, the controversial waste facility in Barangay Binaliw has resumed operations—sparking fresh outrage and safety concerns.
Joining us LIVE is Cebu City Councilor Joel Garganera to discuss why the council was not informed, whether the site is truly safe, and what accountability still needs to happen.
Tune in and send us your questions.
Months after the January 8 landfill disaster that claimed 36 lives, the controversial waste facility in Barangay Binaliw has resumed operations—sparking fresh outrage and safety concerns.
Joining us LIVE is Cebu City Councilor Joel Garganera to discuss why the council was not informed, whether the site is truly safe, and what accountability still needs to happen.
Tune in and send us your questions.
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01:00Raising a deeper question, are we solving a crisis or are we risking another one?
01:06Today, we look beyond the headlines.
01:07Joining us is the Cebu City Council Chairman on the Committee on Environment,
01:14Councilor Joel Garganera.
01:15Councilor Joel, welcome back to Beyond the Headlines.
01:18Yeah, it's good to be here.
01:21Hopefully, we're the better narrative this time.
01:24Hopefully.
01:25Hopefully.
01:26So when I read yesterday's headline of Sunstar, I was surprised that the Binalio landfill has opened.
01:38Where do you stand with this development?
01:40Well, actually, the executive session was borne out by the privileged speech I delivered a month ago,
01:49wherein I asked them to appear at DNR, EMB, and Primeways to appraise the council.
01:55As to the rehabilitation, closure, safety plans.
02:00And yeah, it was quite a revelation.
02:03And there are a lot of revelations, by the way, when we were told that they already operate.
02:09So all of us were really shocked.
02:13And then there were also reports that said that the officials, at least the significant or the key officials,
02:21were not even informed about it.
02:24Yeah.
02:25They were also stunned.
02:27And not only that they were not informed, they were not part of the loop.
02:32They were not even allowed to enter the premises.
02:35So my point is, since they are in the jurisdictional part of the city,
02:44I mean, we should include them, Cicinro, as well as the disaster, because we're dealing with safety.
02:52Well, just recently, after that, the mayor said that he received a copy of the lifting of the DNR.
03:03And he didn't even cascade that to our offices that are expert in that field, like, Cicinro, as a disaster.
03:14At least not due diligence, but because we're dealing with safety.
03:18As you said earlier, let us prevent another crisis.
03:24Did you at least have an idea of the timeline when he received that from the DNR 7?
03:30And the context of the question is because I also wanted to see whether there is a relation
03:35between key officers not being allowed to enter and also when he received the notice from the DNR.
03:45Well, is it deliberate or not?
03:48Well, even during the discussion there, we were asking about a copy.
03:52They cannot even produce.
03:53And they said they sent it to Cicinro.
03:56And Cicinro was there, present.
03:58They said, we did not receive any.
04:00And then it was just recently where the mayor said that he received one.
04:04But he still has to show us, once again, we were really in a limbo.
04:12Not only that, there are a lot of revelations said by, first is, well, they said,
04:18even during last January, executive session where there was a new EMB director,
04:26we were asking for a copy of their geotechnical assessment, records after the Baguio, after Salinog,
04:36and then all other complaints.
04:38Because this should have been done even before the collapse.
04:43And then their answer was,
04:49together with the trash,
04:51because it was situated,
04:54because it was only in their MRF.
04:57So, I mean, for a document like that,
04:59there is no cloud to store it.
05:03So, no.
05:04They have no documents.
05:06And then we were asking,
05:08when there was a geotechnical assessment,
05:11we were looking at,
05:13we were complaining before about the structural integrity
05:16in the trash mountain, right?
05:18So,
05:20wag sila ikapakita.
05:21And then,
05:21Karun,
05:22I'm just,
05:23nasagmuyong olansag ko,
05:25when the mayor,
05:26claimed by him,
05:27na,
05:28nakadawat siya,
05:29sa maong,
05:30maong document,
05:32na,
05:32na lift,
05:33partially,
05:34ang cease and desist order,
05:35because na-amend ko noong to,
05:37ang ECC.
05:39Kaneng,
05:41these are the same office,
05:43that give us a green light,
05:45no,
05:46to continue with the operation.
05:48And then,
05:49Karun,
05:51without even sending,
05:52your technical people,
05:54for due diligence,
05:55bagay,
05:57safety magkaaninigitan,
05:58aw na to.
05:59Lahe,
05:59ibang sa na nga,
06:00mo ingon ka nga,
06:01ah,
06:01makasave,
06:01but we should not compromise safety.
06:04I think that's a lesson,
06:05naman tangali,
06:0536 slides were lost.
06:08And then,
06:09I'm also curious,
06:10because,
06:11di ba,
06:11there was a cease and desist order,
06:14after the closure happened.
06:16Were there any conditions,
06:18that were attached to the order,
06:20that should have been complied,
06:22prior to opening?
06:24Well,
06:26the cease and desist order,
06:27came from,
06:29from the NREMB.
06:31And then,
06:31with that order,
06:32nisunod lang sa daang city,
06:34I never see any document,
06:37as to what was,
06:38there,
06:39no,
06:39to be complied.
06:40But,
06:41right after that,
06:42katung pagpanawag na mo,
06:44they have this gun chart,
06:46no,
06:46that lead towards,
06:48the rehabilitation,
06:50safety,
06:51closure.
06:52So,
06:52that's like gun chart,
06:53at this time of the Kwan,
06:54it's like slow protection,
06:57and a,
06:58mo,
06:58it's like the intention,
06:59because right after that,
07:00we were never furnished,
07:02as to the update,
07:03ba?
07:04No,
07:04we're not looking for a day,
07:06I mean,
07:06blow by blow,
07:07Kwan,
07:07but,
07:07it's been like 110 days,
07:10from the incident,
07:11wa,
07:11gimme kibaw,
07:12where are we,
07:13we,
07:13as a tadapita.
07:15Whether it can already be opened,
07:17or not,
07:18no?
07:18And then,
07:19they have this gun chart,
07:20the gun chart,
07:22the gun chart,
07:22they have to show,
07:23how do you comply?
07:25How do you comply?
07:26Or are we?
07:27So,
07:28it was more of,
07:29trying to appraise us,
07:30but,
07:30okay,
07:31di man sila mo report na to,
07:32not unless,
07:33o,
07:33atong ipatawag.
07:35So now,
07:36the landfill is declared open,
07:38although on a limited capacity,
07:42what do you think,
07:43are the risks,
07:45no,
07:46that are still present,
07:48given that,
07:49it seemed like,
07:49there was no closure,
07:52of the,
07:52at least,
07:53no,
07:53unless if they can produce,
07:55no,
07:55the document,
07:56it seems like,
07:56there was no closure,
07:58of the rehabilitation plan,
08:00that they originally presented.
08:03Well,
08:04the rehabilitation,
08:07is ongoing,
08:09and,
08:09my point is,
08:11while it is ongoing,
08:13nag-operate sila,
08:14and it is in the same premises,
08:16it's in the same premises,
08:17and,
08:18my point also,
08:20is,
08:20pwede na,
08:20na,
08:21ilift na to,
08:22ang,
08:23cease and disease,
08:24pending the outcome,
08:26of the investigation,
08:27well,
08:28I remember,
08:29last February 8th,
08:3111 of them,
08:31including an undersecretary,
08:33came over,
08:34in the,
08:35the mayor's conference room,
08:37and we were,
08:38talking about it,
08:39and there were,
08:40only two questions,
08:40I asked them,
08:41na,
08:41kung sa yung pungta na,
08:42on saman,
08:42kung sa may naka-adto sa Binalio,
08:44all of them raised their hands,
08:45and I said,
08:47what do you think,
08:47is it a landfill,
08:49or a,
08:50an open dump site,
08:51and all of them,
08:53unison said,
08:54it's an open dump site,
08:55so,
08:56ang ako ba,
08:57is there a closure,
08:58ano eh,
08:59kaneng,
09:00unsamay,
09:00unsamay,
09:01unsamay,
09:01risulta sa investigation,
09:03sama ba sa,
09:04DJ ba,
09:05like,
09:06there was a drunk driver,
09:08unya,
09:08nakadasmag siya,
09:09innocent bystander,
09:10dahil sa,
09:11daplin sedan,
09:11namatay,
09:12so,
09:13gikuhaan kag-licensya,
09:14kadili na kapadrive on,
09:16pending investigation,
09:17wapamahuman lang kaso,
09:19gitagaan na siya,
09:20kagbalik lisensya,
09:21to drive again,
09:21I mean,
09:22by analogy ba,
09:24ingnan naman eh,
09:25no,
09:25so,
09:25we should not defend that,
09:27kay makaminos ta,
09:29lives,
09:29I mean,
09:30sa'yo,
09:31akong,
09:31akong masulti ba nga,
09:34wala mo na,
09:34balor ang kinabuhihan eh,
09:37so,
09:37Kenny,
09:38because there's a question here,
09:40and although you covered this separately,
09:42but I still want to raise this so that you can answer this with a yes or no,
09:46the question here actually,
09:48which is coming from our viewers is,
09:49what specific conditions did the Department of Environment and Natural Resources
09:54attach to the partial lifting this time now,
09:57of the cease and desist order,
10:00and have these been independently verified on site?
10:03I can,
10:03I already have an idea of what your answer is.
10:06I cannot,
10:06I cannot address that because,
10:09wag kita sa dokumento,
10:12no?
10:13In fact,
10:13when the mayor said,
10:14even sisinroas lang kakita,
10:16they never receive it,
10:17I mean,
10:17the mayor said nga,
10:19nga naka,
10:19naka,
10:20naka,
10:21naka,
10:21dawat siya,
10:21but,
10:22we were,
10:22he didn't even divulge what's the content of the,
10:26of the permit,
10:27if there's any amendment,
10:28so,
10:28ang iyalang,
10:30basen sila,
10:31nag-simulate sila sa pag-throw sa garbage,
10:33I mean,
10:34for something as serious as that,
10:37we cannot just rely on the assumption.
10:40And then the other one is still related to that,
10:43if the landfill,
10:44or the dump site,
10:45is still under investigation for,
10:49the incident,
10:50or even like,
10:51the accident,
10:52no?
10:53That caused lives,
10:5536 lives,
10:56what legal basis,
10:57allows the,
10:59operation,
11:01before findings are released,
11:03I can already receive.
11:04Precisely,
11:04precisely,
11:05that's the point that I'm trying to raise at,
11:07correct.
11:08We're still,
11:09in the process,
11:10you don't,
11:10you don't have a result,
11:12you don't have a result,
11:13on that,
11:13mm,
11:19in as much as,
11:21yes,
11:22we are in a crisis,
11:23can't be a problem,
11:23atong,
11:25atong budget,
11:26nag-appropriate for,
11:27disposing our garbage,
11:28pero,
11:28you should never compromise,
11:30people's lives,
11:32and,
11:33what's more there,
11:3436,
11:35ka bu,
11:35kinabuhi,
11:36bisag tagaan na lang,
11:37natong period ba nga,
11:39nahumanan na itong,
11:40investigasyon,
11:41and then,
11:42haphazard ka ayo,
11:43and then,
11:44haphazard ka ayo,
11:46huwag,
11:46huwag,
11:46huwag,
11:47huwag,
11:47huwag,
11:48huwag,
11:48huwag,
11:48are we supposed to be partners,
11:50no,
11:50stakeholders,
11:51and not only that,
11:52DJ,
11:53I mean,
11:54the people around,
11:55the vicinity,
11:56they have to bear with,
11:57with,
11:58with the traffic,
11:59we have,
12:00they have to bear with,
12:01all this garbage truck,
12:02at least,
12:03mahiwag,
12:03so that we can prepare,
12:05our traffic police,
12:08our disaster response,
12:09and the scheduling,
12:10but,
12:11and I remembered correctly,
12:13there was also a time,
12:15in which,
12:15they raised a red flag,
12:17no,
12:17when they heard,
12:19I think this was,
12:19months ago,
12:20when they heard,
12:21that,
12:22it's going to reopen,
12:24so,
12:24if they already raised,
12:26a red flag,
12:27at least in my opinion,
12:28then at the very least,
12:29I would agree with you,
12:31that if there's a change,
12:32in position,
12:33which is to,
12:34partially open it,
12:35then they should have,
12:36also been informed,
12:38it just shows,
12:40they're not being,
12:41transparent about it,
12:42not only,
12:43they're not being,
12:45they're trying to,
12:46twist the facts,
12:47just imagine DJ,
12:48I don't know if you,
12:49were able to,
12:49watch the full video,
12:51of the executive session,
12:53I asked Mr. Abiliana,
12:55who happens to be,
12:55the general manager,
12:56of the facility,
12:57and I said,
12:58what do you think,
12:59about your facility,
13:00is it a dump site,
13:01or a landfill,
13:02you know what he answered,
13:03it's a material recovery facility,
13:05and they said,
13:06how much,
13:07of the volume,
13:08that are being,
13:10put there,
13:11in a daily basis,
13:12pass through,
13:14Caning's,
13:14MRF,
13:15and he said,
13:15around 50%,
13:16that's a complete lie,
13:18of all the garbage trucks,
13:20in the city,
13:21owned by the barangay,
13:22and the DPS,
13:23and the private contractor,
13:25it never went to MRF,
13:26and they account,
13:27already about 600 tons,
13:29so they're trying,
13:30to twist,
13:31and then not only that,
13:32and I said,
13:33about the structural,
13:35of the,
13:35because I,
13:38where are the results,
13:40of the geotechnical assessment,
13:42that's the,
13:43the water,
13:43the water,
13:45and the water,
13:46that's already,
13:4720 story high,
13:48no,
13:49it's only 20 meters,
13:53what,
13:5420 meters,
13:54because it was a slope,
13:56then I said,
13:57I was there,
13:58even in 2017,
14:002007,
14:02there's a mountain,
14:03they cut it by half,
14:04by 90 degrees,
14:04and the other half,
14:06this is where,
14:06they try to store,
14:08the garbage,
14:11even that,
14:12they're not being,
14:14transparent about it,
14:14they're trying to twist,
14:15I mean,
14:16what is naked to the eye,
14:18you don't need to be,
14:19a skyrocket scientist,
14:20to know,
14:21so,
14:24and the fact also,
14:26at least when I read the news,
14:27I also find it odd,
14:28in my opinion,
14:29that the key officials,
14:31were even barred,
14:32from entry,
14:33so that means,
14:33there is already,
14:35their key officials,
14:37their,
14:37it's part of their responsibility,
14:39to actually verify,
14:41go and verify,
14:42and then they're not allowed,
14:44no,
14:44so,
14:45I'm like,
14:46DJ,
14:46on some day rolls,
14:47atong disaster,
14:49atong response,
14:50atong CCDRMO,
14:51which,
14:51which I was previously,
14:52the head of that,
14:54katulang pagkahitabo,
14:55January 8,
14:56all of them,
14:57respond,
14:58sila'y first,
14:59arrival,
15:01and then,
15:02they stayed there for weeks,
15:04then after that,
15:05they're in charge,
15:06of retrieving all these bodies,
15:08and then also,
15:09our,
15:09our,
15:10our CISINRO,
15:11and then karoon,
15:12wala na sila'y appeal,
15:13kung sa man sila,
15:14ang ilang participation lang,
15:15huwag na yung mahitabo,
15:17na disgrasya,
15:18di li,
15:18di sila'y appeal,
15:20anong isigurado,
15:20pag prevent,
15:21na mahitabo,
15:22na pag-usab,
15:23the other thing also,
15:24and speaking of,
15:25CISINRO,
15:26so for the benefit,
15:27of our viewers,
15:28CISINRO is the Cebu City Environment,
15:30and Natural Resources Office,
15:32so from the name itself,
15:34sounds like,
15:35they should have been engaged,
15:36but why do you think,
15:37were they excluded?
15:39I don't know,
15:41in fact,
15:42katawanan kayo,
15:43during January,
15:44no,
15:44February 8,
15:45when the 11 composite team,
15:47from,
15:48that was formed,
15:49by DNR,
15:51to task,
15:51to investigate the case,
15:53when,
15:53when,
15:54when I said like,
15:55you know,
15:55even CISINRO,
15:56we're not allowed to enter,
15:57and then DNR,
15:58EMB said,
15:59yeah,
15:59same here,
16:00we're not allowed to enter,
16:01just imagine,
16:02the very office,
16:04who are tasked,
16:05to oversee,
16:06the compliance,
16:07of the ACC,
16:08and the operation,
16:09they just,
16:10take it hook,
16:11line,
16:11and sink,
16:11or whatever is the report,
16:12from primeways,
16:13and I think,
16:15it happened again,
16:16it was done,
16:17the mayor,
16:18when he,
16:18well,
16:19I still have to see,
16:20if it's a permit,
16:22or as a lifting,
16:23hook,
16:23line,
16:24and sinker,
16:24okay,
16:24no harm,
16:26I mean,
16:27I mean,
16:28we could have done better,
16:30tingali,
16:30tingali.
16:31Speaking of,
16:32doing better,
16:33I remembered,
16:35that after the incident,
16:37the collapse,
16:38there were questions,
16:39about who is,
16:40because it's,
16:41because they said,
16:42it's shared between DNR,
16:43and the Sibu City government,
16:45and so at that time,
16:46the question was,
16:47who should be,
16:48accountable,
16:49it cannot be just joint,
16:50ultimately,
16:51there's got to be,
16:52an owner,
16:53who will have to call the shots,
16:54and at that time,
16:55the answer was gray,
16:56so now,
16:57in this context,
16:58that it has reopened,
17:00I think it's also,
17:01best to,
17:02answer that question,
17:04for,
17:04that was the accident,
17:05this one is the opening,
17:07is it DNR,
17:08or Sibu City government,
17:09who will have to,
17:10give the go signal,
17:12that,
17:12yes,
17:13it can reopen,
17:14well,
17:15based on,
17:16what transpired,
17:17two days ago,
17:21the primeways,
17:22we have everything,
17:23to proceed,
17:24we have the lifting,
17:26and we have the existing,
17:27business permit,
17:29no,
17:30so,
17:30okay na ta,
17:31and then,
17:32upon hearing also,
17:33the mayor,
17:34when he said,
17:34oh,
17:35they have already,
17:36an environmental compliance,
17:39so,
17:40okay na,
17:40so,
17:43I don't know,
17:44so,
17:44even if,
17:45if government agencies,
17:46no,
17:46such as,
17:48CCNRO,
17:49are denied access,
17:51at least from what you know,
17:53what do you think,
17:54were the mechanisms,
17:55that were breached,
17:57no,
17:58that led to the,
18:00partial opening,
18:01of Binalio,
18:02that surprised,
18:03everybody,
18:03what was the breach,
18:05in the protocols,
18:06well,
18:07well,
18:08first and foremost,
18:09they have to be transparent,
18:10to us,
18:10they have to be transparent,
18:13on what transpired,
18:14and then,
18:15what leads to the opening,
18:17just imagine,
18:17you open,
18:18and then,
18:18until now,
18:19why,
18:20why documento nakita,
18:22huh,
18:22even the mayor,
18:23hasn't presented it,
18:25and then,
18:26how can we,
18:27assess,
18:28there was really,
18:29compliance,
18:30if,
18:31wala man dito,
18:32there was a checklist,
18:34that was,
18:34that was,
18:35that was,
18:36that allowed them,
18:36to proceed,
18:37it was all vague,
18:38in general,
18:38there was a,
18:39partial lifting,
18:40when the mayor,
18:42said it,
18:43like,
18:57oh,
18:58at least from what I read,
18:59and then,
19:00it's just,
19:01it has a limited,
19:03capacity of 50 tons,
19:05a day,
19:05no,
19:06and then,
19:06for the benefit,
19:07of our viewers,
19:08Cebu City has,
19:09at least estimate,
19:10mag vary,
19:10sometimes 500,
19:11sometimes 600,
19:12but it's,
19:13500 to 600 tons,
19:15every day,
19:15and this one,
19:16has a capacity,
19:16of 50,
19:17given that,
19:19how big,
19:20is this new,
19:23site,
19:24in Binalio,
19:25and,
19:25what can it,
19:27accommodate?
19:27Well,
19:29before that,
19:30that's not the point,
19:31the point is,
19:33that's not the point,
19:34just because,
19:34nga wala pa,
19:35ay,
19:35mag basura,
19:36gigan sa LGU,
19:37the point,
19:38nga,
19:38nag operate,
19:39niya siya,
19:40within our,
19:41territorial jurisdiction,
19:42na ugnay,
19:42mahitabu,
19:43diha,
19:44regardless,
19:45if the garbage,
19:45came from Cebu City,
19:47or from the LGU,
19:48or somewhere,
19:49it,
19:49ato man tulubagod,
19:51correct,
19:51ato man tulubagod,
19:52now,
19:53when it was presented,
19:54to us,
19:54katong hilang,
19:55gihimo,
19:55nag ipotangan,
19:56naglinin,
19:57and everything,
19:57somewhere,
19:57they really,
19:58make it look like,
19:59a landfill,
20:00this time,
20:01ah,
20:01yeah,
20:02okay,
20:04when they put up there,
20:05and then they said,
20:06what's the,
20:07lifespan,
20:07of that,
20:08and gilin sila nga,
20:1020,000,
20:11metric tons,
20:12and then I said,
20:14before the incident,
20:15that will only take,
20:1620 days,
20:17mahumanan na siya,
20:18so,
20:18why,
20:19why,
20:19why do this ba?
20:20why do this,
20:21why do this,
20:22why do you,
20:22why do you,
20:22why do you,
20:23and then,
20:24wahasad sila,
20:25klaro ka,
20:26yung,
20:27explanation,
20:28they always say,
20:28oh,
20:30kaneng,
20:3220,000 tons,
20:33and then,
20:33how can you help,
20:34Cebu City,
20:35if you want to help,
20:35Cebu City,
20:36right now,
20:37you are,
20:38you are,
20:38accommodating,
20:39private garbage man,
20:40no,
20:41so,
20:42ah,
20:42wahadiyo ko,
20:43kasabot,
20:44wahadiyo ko,
20:44wahadiyo ko,
20:45wahadiyo ko,
20:46may mean,
20:47simple,
20:47raman tangali ni,
20:48o,
20:48open na nga tong communication,
20:51this is for the benefit,
20:53of the viewers,
20:54okay,
20:54the context,
20:55why I also ask that counselor,
20:57it's also because,
20:58ah,
20:59we,
21:00had,
21:00already,
21:01a previous experience,
21:02in,
21:03in Iowan,
21:04in which,
21:04at that time,
21:05Binalio,
21:06was supposed to be,
21:08open,
21:09under the premise,
21:11that,
21:11there will be,
21:12a more active,
21:14material recovery facility,
21:16and it will not,
21:17end up,
21:17like,
21:18a dump site,
21:19and,
21:20now,
21:21it,
21:22at least,
21:23no,
21:23so,
21:24if,
21:24if our viewers,
21:25disagree,
21:26they're welcome,
21:26to also pitch in,
21:28and now,
21:28it look like,
21:29it's a similar pattern,
21:31na,
21:31there is,
21:32again,
21:32a landfill,
21:34this time,
21:35which has a smaller capacity,
21:37and so,
21:38if we're not,
21:39learning our lesson,
21:40it would look like,
21:41this landfill,
21:42with a very limited capacity,
21:45could,
21:45eventually,
21:46evolve,
21:47into another dump site,
21:48na said,
21:49so,
21:49so,
21:50the question here is,
21:52when are we going,
21:53to end the pattern,
21:54of limited capacity,
21:56dump site,
21:57limited capacity,
21:58dump site,
21:59limited capacity,
22:00and then dump site,
22:01again,
22:02yeah,
22:03I remember,
22:04that was in 2017,
22:05when we visited the area,
22:07their trees were cut,
22:10without being,
22:11you know,
22:12informed,
22:13the people,
22:14and then,
22:15I saw there,
22:15like,
22:16the size of the basketball court,
22:19they were cut,
22:21the size of the basketball court,
22:23but that,
22:23Pilar,
22:24Masuda,
22:24but look,
22:26after that,
22:26that was more of a,
22:28like,
22:30plantalia,
22:31okay,
22:32this is a land,
22:33but look what happened,
22:35in the same manner,
22:37that,
22:38me,
22:38not just imagine,
22:39my frustrations,
22:40we close a dump site,
22:42just to open another dump site,
22:44no,
22:44when you get there,
22:46it's 20,000,
22:47when you get there,
22:48where are you going,
22:49so,
22:50you overwhelm,
22:51and then,
22:52you connect,
22:54I mean,
22:55I could only speculate,
22:56but it was not,
22:57it wasn't explained to us,
22:59it's not like,
23:00because,
23:01if you call them,
23:03they're in shock,
23:04it's already operating,
23:05so,
23:06it's not like,
23:06there's a lot of dynamics,
23:08it's just like,
23:09less than 100 meters away,
23:11from the foot,
23:12of the,
23:13of the,
23:14of the,
23:14the mountains of garbage,
23:17mind you,
23:18the material recovery facility,
23:20was just 15 meters away,
23:23no,
23:24I mean,
23:26these are still trusses,
23:27still trusses,
23:28na pilo,
23:29pilo magani,
23:31a 2,000 square meter,
23:33na structure,
23:34how much more,
23:35it doesn't have to be,
23:37city owned garbage truck,
23:39or barangay owned garbage truck,
23:40that will endanger also,
23:43but,
23:43anybody for that matter,
23:45tao,
23:46I mean,
23:47bililihon kayo,
23:48ang kinabuhi sa tao,
23:50and,
23:51the last time,
23:52the mayor was here,
23:53we actually,
23:54made a positive feedback,
23:55that he's a math guy,
23:56no,
23:57so,
23:57hopefully,
23:58can,
23:59he or his team,
24:00can also come over,
24:01and explain the math,
24:03behind this,
24:04and then,
24:04when I say math,
24:05it's,
24:06this is the capacity,
24:07it's calculated,
24:09to be,
24:09just 20 days,
24:11what's going to happen,
24:12after this,
24:13yeah,
24:13are we closing this,
24:15after,
24:1520 days,
24:16or not,
24:17no,
24:17so,
24:17hopefully,
24:18if they have,
24:18a better,
24:19kind of,
24:21of this one,
24:22well,
24:22you're welcome to come,
24:23no,
24:23the other thing,
24:24also,
24:24which I think,
24:25this is a very,
24:25good question,
24:27that's coming from,
24:28from,
24:29from our editor-in-chief,
24:30in Sunstar,
24:31no,
24:31and I like the question,
24:33because,
24:34the statement,
24:35that was made yesterday,
24:37this is just,
24:38limited,
24:39and then,
24:39this is not yet,
24:40open to LGU,
24:42so,
24:42it was,
24:42it sounded to me,
24:43like a reassurance,
24:44no,
24:44which is not a reassurance,
24:46but anyway,
24:47that was the statement,
24:49and then,
24:50it's still subject to bidding,
24:51no,
24:51before we decide,
24:53or admit that LGU's to come over,
24:55and,
24:55and dump their waste,
24:57let's say,
24:58and dump their waste,
25:00my question actually here is,
25:02given that,
25:03the incident,
25:05that cost,
25:0636 lives,
25:07no,
25:07so,
25:08it's still unresolved,
25:09and the provider,
25:11is,
25:12prime integrated waste,
25:15should they even,
25:17qualify to bid,
25:19in the first place?
25:21that's a very good question,
25:24but,
25:25if you,
25:26if you,
25:27listen to the narrative,
25:28of our chief executive,
25:29and he said,
25:30oh,
25:32once our,
25:33our contract expired,
25:35there in Aluginsan,
25:36then they are free to bid,
25:37to participate,
25:39and then he even added,
25:41he even added,
25:44so,
25:46in other words,
25:47na maganda yung mga contractors,
25:49sa mga biddings,
25:49sa urban infrastructure,
25:52bati ang imong,
25:53ang imong,
25:54ang imong,
25:55ah,
25:57compliance niyo mo,
25:58di na maging kapapilo no bid,
26:00so,
26:02labi na ka nun,
26:03nga maganda yung mga gawas,
26:04ang resulta,
26:05and,
26:05not even a single account,
26:08ah,
26:08officer,
26:09sa prime waste,
26:10or even sa DNR,
26:11were held accountable,
26:13so,
26:13on siya man to,
26:13kaneng,
26:15on siya man to,
26:15nahitabo lang to,
26:16and then,
26:16okay,
26:17are we learning our lesson?
26:19Wag yapon.
26:20And,
26:21and for me,
26:22it's a good point to raise,
26:24okay,
26:24if it's not yet resolved,
26:27the investigation,
26:29is not yet closed,
26:31and 36 lives,
26:33no,
26:33were lost,
26:35not to mention the damage,
26:36also,
26:36that it has done beyond the 36 lives,
26:39then it looks like,
26:41they're not even allowed to bid,
26:44to begin with,
26:45you know,
26:45so,
26:45I think that's another question also,
26:46that we are raising here,
26:48and if there's anybody from the executive department,
26:50or the mayor himself,
26:51he can make a comment also,
26:53because that's a good,
26:54point also,
26:55to raise.
26:56Now,
26:56speaking of the executive,
26:57this is the report that happened late February,
27:01in which Cebu City Mayor Nestor Archibald said that he hopes to achieve,
27:07as he joined a study visit in Japan,
27:10to explore waste to energy and circular economy systems,
27:15he said in that report,
27:17that the goal was to bring home practical and sustainable solutions,
27:23since the trip,
27:24did you notice any progress,
27:27as far as this development,
27:33no?
27:34Well,
27:35I talked with,
27:36Puloy Glaski,
27:37the one in charge of DPS,
27:39well,
27:40as,
27:40I saw the bidding,
27:42the awarding of the contract to Aluginsan,
27:46it states there that,
27:47they're,
27:48they're,
27:49they're,
27:50sending,
27:51something like 700 tons a day,
27:54that's the,
27:55that's the,
27:55so it looks like the full trash,
27:58no?
27:58Yeah,
27:58more than,
27:59more than the 600,
28:00so they said it's 700 tons,
28:02that's,
28:02that's the,
28:03that's the bidding,
28:05I mean,
28:05it's not a bidding,
28:06because it was awarded right away,
28:08no?
28:08So that was,
28:11so that's why I asked,
28:13I asked Gilaski,
28:14yesterday,
28:16can you give us a daily,
28:18a tonnage,
28:19that we can get rid of this,
28:21no?
28:21Okay,
28:23from there,
28:23we can't assess if what,
28:26that all the strategies to minimize the volumes,
28:29in other ways,
28:31I mean,
28:32data,
28:33you know,
28:33figures don't lie,
28:35no?
28:35So,
28:36I think that's the only data,
28:39that will really assess if things are working,
28:42and I,
28:43I truly admire the mayor,
28:44in his initiatives,
28:47about posting,
28:48about,
28:48you know,
28:49going,
28:50shredding,
28:51and,
28:51but as to,
28:53the result,
28:54if indeed,
28:55although it doesn't happen overnight,
28:56normal man,
28:57no?
28:57But at least,
28:58the progress lang,
28:59that I cannot tell,
29:01simply because,
29:02as it is now,
29:04ang atong,
29:04ang paglabay nato dito,
29:07ang naadiha sa,
29:08atong award,
29:10sa maong,
29:10maong,
29:12service provider,
29:14it's at 700 tons a day,
29:16so,
29:17ni daku,
29:18di hay,
29:19no?
29:19Or,
29:20pasin na lang,
29:21tanggalig ilalang,
29:23but as to the daily tannish,
29:26that I'm not aware,
29:26perhaps any time of the day,
29:28matagaan ko sa DPS.
29:29So,
29:30we also hope,
29:31no,
29:31to see the,
29:32the,
29:33the,
29:33at least the,
29:34the initial project,
29:37scoping na lang,
29:38not even a timeline,
29:39no?
29:39Of whether,
29:40what we learned in Japan,
29:43is actually,
29:43moving forward,
29:45no?
29:45Which lesson,
29:46in the,
29:47in,
29:47in,
29:48in waste management,
29:49are,
29:50going to be implemented,
29:51in Cebu.
29:52The other one also,
29:53which is,
29:53you just mentioned it,
29:55is,
29:55at the height,
29:56also of the tragedy,
29:59the mayor was also calling residents,
30:01no?
30:02Of the city's 28th upland barangais,
30:05to change how they handle their trash.
30:08And I'm referring to,
30:09katong composting,
30:10no?
30:11And,
30:12and,
30:12and,
30:13and reducing garbage,
30:1550,
30:16no?
30:16By 50%,
30:18percent,
30:19At that time.
30:19So,
30:19this was February 16,
30:21no?
30:21Akong kita na ako ang,
30:22ang date,
30:24no?
30:25At least,
30:26katong,
30:27maybe let's give them,
30:28the benefit of the doubt,
30:29na,
30:29the 700 tons,
30:30that's going to,
30:31that might be the,
30:32the,
30:34agreed capacity na lang,
30:35to be sure,
30:35na,
30:36waste can go there.
30:37But is still,
30:38is there an update,
30:39also to this,
30:40how this,
30:40is,
30:41is,
30:42magenta kong is,
30:43or was,
30:43depending,
30:44progressing?
30:45Well,
30:46well,
30:46yeah,
30:48the,
30:48the upland barangais,
30:49has,
30:49has the capacity to do that.
30:51Correct.
30:52daglapad ang lang yuta,
30:54and they have,
30:55they have extra,
30:56nga,
30:56daglapad ang lugar,
30:57unlike,
30:57di rin sa urban,
30:59maglisod,
30:59magitagdutang,
31:00sa parkinganan,
31:01sa basurahan,
31:02sa garbage truck,
31:03kung sana ka na paghimo,
31:04o MRF,
31:05or paghimo,
31:06o mga composting area.
31:07Yeah,
31:08that's a very good move,
31:09of course.
31:10But was it moving?
31:12That,
31:12I don't know.
31:14I hope so.
31:15I hope so.
31:16I still have to,
31:17I still have to sit down
31:18with the solid waste management,
31:20if,
31:20what's now the outcome?
31:21And I presume,
31:22yes,
31:23perhaps,
31:24until now,
31:25huwag,
31:25huwag,
31:26huwag,
31:38huwag,
31:40and I will not ask anymore
31:42my next question
31:43because I think it was
31:44answered by
31:45the first two.
31:47So this is more of
31:49inviting also
31:50the mayor
31:51and the executive
31:52or whoever in his team
31:53who can also tell us
31:55about the status
31:55because part of the target,
31:58supposedly,
31:59is to cut down
32:02the amount of trash
32:03sent to landfill
32:04by 20 to 30 tons
32:06every single day.
32:07So it's quite a huge
32:10endeavor, no?
32:11So if we are truly
32:12moving forward
32:13with this,
32:15I think it's a good story
32:16to tell.
32:17So hopefully,
32:18we'll also get
32:19an update
32:20from that.
32:21I'm in favor of that.
32:23Whatever,
32:24whatever means,
32:25whatever strategy,
32:27yeah,
32:27everything,
32:28whatever technology,
32:30let's go for that.
32:31And we will be happy
32:32to learn
32:32if it's moving forward.
32:34Now let's go back
32:36to how we opened
32:39today's episode
32:39because yesterday,
32:41incidentally,
32:42we spoke about
32:43the progress
32:44of Katongkang
32:45Kingston Cheng,
32:47no?
32:48That figured in
32:49an accident
32:50February 8,
32:51no?
32:51But exactly
32:52a month before this,
32:55no?
32:55Was also
32:56January 8,
32:57and that's also
32:58the Binalio tragedy
33:00that claimed
33:01the lives
33:02of Katongkang
33:0436 people,
33:06no?
33:06So when you think
33:07about their
33:08families,
33:09no?
33:10And especially
33:12now that it
33:13is reopening
33:15or it has
33:16reopened,
33:17what comes
33:17into your mind?
33:19Well,
33:20first and foremost,
33:21these people
33:22have very short
33:22memories.
33:24They're not
33:25forgetting.
33:25you're talking
33:27about 36 lives,
33:2836 dreams
33:29unfulfilled,
33:3136 grieving
33:32families.
33:33And then,
33:36you're not even
33:37transparent to the
33:38city where you
33:39are operating?
33:41Well,
33:42I presume
33:43perhaps they
33:44took care
33:45of the
33:47families
33:47that were
33:48left behind,
33:49yes,
33:50but
33:51in order to
33:52prevent another
33:53crisis,
33:54can't we
33:55have a part
33:56in it?
33:57You prove
33:58yourself
33:59that you
33:59don't have
34:01And then,
34:02plus the fact
34:02that there
34:05was an
34:06internal
34:06assessment
34:08or a
34:09third-party
34:09technical
34:11assessment
34:11long
34:12before,
34:13don't
34:14have to
34:14pay attention.
34:15If you
34:16operate,
34:17you don't have to
34:19pay attention.
34:21Don't have to
34:22pay attention.
34:23I presume
34:23don't have to pay attention
34:25because
34:26don't have to pay attention
34:27for the
34:28results.
34:29it's just
34:306-7.
34:31So,
34:32I don't
34:33have to
34:34think
34:35well,
34:36perhaps
34:37they're
34:37going to
34:37forget.
34:39So,
34:40let's go on
34:40with our
34:41lives
34:41that
34:42should
34:43not
34:43be
34:43the
34:43case.
34:44Because
34:44what we're
34:45doing here
34:46is to
34:46prevent
34:47another
34:48crisis.
34:49And my
34:50next
34:51question is
34:51also for
34:52our
34:52viewers.
34:54Because
34:54at least
34:55from my
34:56impression,
34:57many
34:58people
34:59feel
35:00confident
35:01about
35:02the
35:02current
35:02leadership.
35:03and I
35:03base
35:04it on
35:04the
35:05reactions
35:06that I
35:07also
35:07see
35:07on
35:07social
35:08media
35:08and
35:09also
35:09at
35:09least
35:09in
35:10my
35:10interaction
35:10with
35:11other
35:11people.
35:11So,
35:11this is
35:12my
35:12impression.
35:13But my
35:14question
35:14actually
35:15here
35:15is
35:15how can
35:17we
35:17also
35:18as a
35:19citizen
35:20mature
35:22that
35:23we are
35:24able to
35:25balance
35:25support
35:27for our
35:28leaders
35:28while at
35:29the same
35:30time
35:31hold them
35:32accountable.
35:34Yeah.
35:35Because
35:36it's nice
35:36to support
35:37our
35:37leaders.
35:38But I
35:38think
35:39it's
35:39also
35:39equally
35:40important
35:40that
35:41in
35:41matters
35:42such
35:42as
35:42this
35:42one
35:43until
35:43things
35:43are
35:44clarified
35:44we
35:45also
35:45hold
35:46them
35:46accountable.
35:47Yeah.
35:48That's
35:48what I
35:49said
35:49the
35:50other
35:50day.
35:51I
35:51said
35:51let's
35:52see
35:53how
35:54the
35:54mayor
35:54navigates
35:54this.
35:56At
35:56least on
35:57our
35:57part
35:58we
35:59all
35:59know
35:59they
35:59operate
36:00had
36:00we
36:01not
36:01intervene
36:01now
36:05with
36:05what
36:06the
36:06mayor
36:06yes
36:07people
36:08support
36:08confidence
36:09is
36:09there
36:09that
36:10should
36:10be
36:10a
36:10good
36:10tool
36:11for
36:11him
36:11to
36:11rally
36:12to
36:13leverage
36:13and not
36:14only
36:14that
36:14I
36:15still
36:15have
36:15to
36:15hear
36:16the
36:16mayor
36:16demanding
36:17the
36:17result
36:17of
36:18the
36:18investigation
36:19we're
36:19not
36:19accusing
36:20anyone
36:20we
36:20just
36:21want
36:21to
36:21know
36:22I
36:22still
36:22have
36:22to
36:23hear
36:23that
36:23from
36:23the
36:23mayor
36:23I
36:24don't
36:24know
36:24if
36:26we'll
36:27just
36:27wait
36:27for
36:27the
36:27or
36:28demand
36:29where
36:29the
36:30result
36:30of
36:31investigation
36:31are
36:32we
36:32not
36:32entitled
36:33to
36:33that
36:33and
36:33in
36:34my
36:34opinion
36:34especially
36:35at least
36:36the
36:37granting
36:38he was
36:39blind
36:39about
36:39the
36:40whole
36:40thing
36:40but
36:40the
36:40moment
36:41he
36:41received
36:41the
36:41notice
36:42the
36:43very
36:43question
36:43that
36:44I
36:45am
36:45asking
36:45right
36:46now
36:46should
36:46also
36:47in
36:47my
36:47opinion
36:48have
36:48been
36:48the
36:48question
36:49that
36:49he
36:49asked
36:49so
36:50that
36:50by
36:51the
36:51time
36:51it's
36:52opened
36:53then
36:53these
36:54information
36:55the
36:55answers
36:56to
36:56this
36:56question
36:57should
36:57have
36:57been
36:57readily
36:58available
36:58already
36:59they all
37:01sound like
37:01prerequisite
37:02questions
37:03when he
37:06was still
37:06a
37:06counselor
37:08my
37:08god
37:08he was
37:09really
37:09good
37:09scrutinize
37:10every
37:11transaction
37:11the
37:12nitty
37:13gritty
37:13details
37:14he
37:14he
37:14really
37:14in
37:15fact
37:15if
37:16you
37:16go to
37:16executive
37:17session
37:18you
37:18have
37:1880%
37:21he's
37:23into
37:23minute
37:23details
37:24whatever
37:26issue
37:27under
37:27the sun
37:27call
37:28executive
37:29session
37:29all
37:30information
37:31are
37:31there
37:31and
37:32somehow
37:33he
37:33lose
37:33that
37:35sparkle
37:36it's
37:37amazing
37:37because
37:38the
37:39gravity
37:40of
37:40the
37:40incident
37:41the
37:42impact
37:43Annie
37:46it's
37:51unbecoming
37:52him
37:52if I
37:53must
37:53say
37:54because
37:54you
37:55have to
37:55study
37:56because
37:56you
37:57have to
37:57defend
37:57whatever
37:58he's
37:58there
38:00he's
38:00really
38:02focused
38:02and he's
38:03studying
38:03whatever
38:04issues
38:05that
38:05comes
38:06from
38:07city
38:07council
38:07but
38:08you
38:08have to
38:11delegate
38:12hook
38:12line
38:13singer
38:13okay
38:15it's
38:15unbecoming
38:16Nestor
38:17Archival
38:17already
38:18and
38:19I don't
38:20want him
38:21to lose
38:21that
38:21I want
38:22him to
38:22go back
38:23to where
38:23he's
38:24good at
38:26I want
38:27him to
38:28do that
38:28again
38:28and
38:30finally
38:31this is
38:32now
38:32on
38:32the
38:33closing
38:33part
38:34of
38:34this
38:35conversation
38:36and I
38:37hope
38:37we've been
38:38saying this
38:39so many
38:39times
38:39the next
38:40conversation
38:41with
38:41waste
38:42management
38:42should
38:42have
38:43had
38:43a
38:43better
38:44narrative
38:45but
38:46close to
38:46this
38:47this is
38:48among
38:49many
38:49a balance
38:50between
38:52solution
38:53although the
38:53solution is
38:54even
38:54questionable
38:55at the
38:56same
38:56time
38:56safety
38:59which
39:00matters
39:01more
39:02today
39:03and
39:04hope
39:04it's
39:05sad
39:05I would
39:06have
39:06asked a
39:06question
39:07which
39:07matters
39:07in the
39:08future
39:21but
39:23the
39:25means
39:26should
39:26not
39:26justify
39:27the
39:27end
39:28but
39:33we
39:33should
39:33not
39:34make
39:34shortcuts
39:34here
39:35we
39:35have
39:35to
39:37be
39:38extra
39:38careful
39:39it
39:40seems
39:40like
39:40we're
39:40not
39:41learning
39:41our
39:41lesson
39:43simple
39:43transparent
39:45transparency
39:46and
39:47also
39:47accountability
39:49we're
39:50accountable
39:50also
39:50to
39:51the
39:51death
39:51in
39:51fact
39:52if
39:52you
39:52remember
39:52the
39:52last
39:53time
39:53I
39:53was
39:53here
39:53I
39:54said
39:54you
39:54include
39:54us
39:55the
39:55LGU
39:56in
39:56the
39:56investigation
39:57it's
39:58not
39:58only
39:58up
39:58to
39:59primeways
40:00or
40:00DNR
40:00EMB
40:01you
40:01include
40:02us
40:02to be
40:03fair
40:04if
40:09you
40:09look for
40:10a short
40:10term
40:10solution
40:11palliative
40:12it
40:13doesn't
40:14you
40:14know
40:15it's
40:16just
40:16around
40:17the
40:17corner
40:18but
40:19until
40:19now
40:20we
40:21don't have
40:21any
40:21concrete
40:22solution
40:22in
40:23addressing
40:23our
40:23solid
40:23waste
40:24management
40:24well
40:25aside
40:25from
40:26this
40:26and
40:26that
40:27okay
40:27but
40:28no
40:29matter
40:29how
40:29you
40:31recycle
40:32no
40:32matter
40:33how
40:33you
40:33save
40:34there's
40:35still a
40:35major
40:35portion
40:36of the
40:36garbage
40:37volume
40:37that will
40:38be left
40:38behind
40:39now
40:39awesome
40:39as it
40:40is
40:41now
40:41direction
40:42dam
40:43site
40:43yapon
40:44so
40:45thank you
40:46very much
40:46for your
40:47time
40:47counselor
40:47joel
40:48no
40:48and
40:49again
40:49hopefully
40:50in our
40:51next
40:51conversation
40:52it would
40:54be
40:55about
40:55moving
40:56forward
40:57to
40:58a
40:59more
41:00concrete
41:02long
41:03term
41:03solution
41:04to the
41:05waste
41:06management
41:06of
41:07Cebu
41:08and
41:08to our
41:09viewers
41:09I'm also
41:10optimistic
41:11that we
41:12are able
41:12to break
41:13the cycle
41:13of
41:15temporary
41:16landfill
41:17to dump
41:18site
41:18and then
41:19temporary
41:20landfill
41:20to dump
41:21site
41:21and temporary
41:23landfill
41:23to dump
41:24site
41:24I'm hopeful
41:26that we
41:26will finally
41:27break that
41:28cycle
41:28so as we
41:30close we
41:31return to
41:31what began
41:32this conversation
41:33the 36
41:34lives lost
41:36on January
41:368th
41:37the number
41:38should not
41:39fade into
41:40memory
41:41the landfill
41:42reopens
41:43even as
41:44questions
41:44remain
41:45and answered
41:46so this
41:48issue
41:48now is
41:49not just
41:50whether
41:50we can
41:51reopen
41:52the question
41:53is
41:54whether
41:54we
41:55should
41:55thank you
41:56for joining
41:57us
41:57today
41:58I'm DJ
41:58Moises
41:59this is
41:59Beyond the
42:00Headlines
42:00good afternoon
42:01.
42:02.
42:03.
42:03.
42:06.
42:07.
42:07.
42:07.
42:07.
42:07.
42:07.
42:08.
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