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36 lives lost. But has justice been served?
Join us LIVE on Beyond the Headlines as Cebu City Councilor Joel Garganera discusses the latest developments following the Binaliw Landfill Trashlide.
We talk about the search for accountability, the status of the case, and what’s next for Cebu’s waste management — including the proposed Waste-to-Energy (WTE) solution.
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Join us LIVE on Beyond the Headlines as Cebu City Councilor Joel Garganera discusses the latest developments following the Binaliw Landfill Trashlide.
We talk about the search for accountability, the status of the case, and what’s next for Cebu’s waste management — including the proposed Waste-to-Energy (WTE) solution.
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02:36And beyond the investigation, another big question many residents are asking,
02:42did Cebu City lack long-term planning when it comes to managing our growing volume of waste?
02:49Joining us once again to help us understand where things stand today is Counselor Joel Garganera,
02:55who has been closely monitoring the situation and has long advocated for long-term waste management solutions.
03:03Counselor Joel, welcome back to the program.
03:06Yeah, thanks. Good to be here, DJ.
03:09And congratulations because you are a newly minted grandfather as of 3.40 p.m. yesterday.
03:16Yeah, yeah.
03:17I'm a pastor. I belong to the apostolic community.
03:23But this one, our conversation is on the literal apostolic, which is about servant leadership.
03:30Yes.
03:31So my first question, Gabi, I'm going to segue from something that's a celebration to something also that's critical to
03:38the city,
03:39which we also know that you have been long advocating for a permanent and sustainable solution.
03:47So this is already our third conversation, specific to Binalio.
03:56And then from what we know today is that the public still needs to understand, first lang sa what happened
04:06to the 36.
04:08Was there any closure for that particular case?
04:12And then the moving forward.
04:14So let's talk about the 36 lives that were lost.
04:18Where are we right now?
04:20Is there an investigation?
04:22Is it in the process?
04:24Well, first and foremost, I would like to make a connection with my being an apostolic.
04:30I'm a lolo.
04:31The more I'm mindful, what kind of legacy are we going to leave to the next generation?
04:37You're talking here about my grandson.
04:38Are we going to leave them a legacy of garbage, waste?
04:44So that is not something that is good for this, including the unborn.
04:52Well, with regards to the 36, I just delivered a privilege speech last Tuesday
04:56because there seems to be a lot of noise about using a portion of the Binalio landfill or dam site
05:07for fresh waste, for fresh garbage.
05:13Somehow, we cannot just proceed and not being mindful of the tragedy, not being mindful of the death.
05:24So, really speaking, it's not going to be an update.
05:27It's not going to be an update.
05:30If not for the letter that's being sent by member Tumulak, asking for like, what's the update now?
05:38They were there.
05:39They talk about rehabilitation.
05:42They talk about, you know, trying to protect the slope.
05:46So, but by far, we were visited by the composite team as formed by DNR to conduct the investigation.
05:56And this was February 5 pa.
05:59Look, we're going to two months now.
06:01We have no update.
06:02And the most important thing is also is there's no timeline.
06:05And I'm also very mindful of that because, well, the past tragedy involving a dam site like Impayatas, it took
06:1220 years.
06:17And then just recently, he has Rizal Malabon, namatay na sad, usa.
06:22But prior to that, on the same site, February of 2013, may namatay upat sad, may trash lines sad.
06:31And somehow, I cannot just look into the, in Google or unsang, was there anyone held accountable?
06:40And then, Karun, that is one thing that we lack here, no?
06:44We lack accountability as of now.
06:47No?
06:47Wala tay, wala tay ahinsya, wala tay individual that are left, that should be accountable.
06:53And somehow, there's no transparency, no?
06:57Kunsa may timetable niyan eh.
06:58As I mentioned earlier, there was a meeting held February 5 when the composite team visited.
07:04There is a mayor's office that I was told.
07:09And then there were many of them.
07:10I think there were more than 10 of them, members of composite team.
07:13I have only one question to them.
07:15Were you able to visit the site where the trash lines occur?
07:19And they said, yes.
07:20And I said, what have you observed?
07:22Is it a landfill or an open dam site?
07:25And all of them in unison say an open dam site.
07:28To me, that's good because that is a very fatal and major violation.
07:33It's a DNR.
07:34Correct.
07:34So I thought that will speed up.
07:36But as it is right now, we are out.
07:40We're in a limbo.
07:41We're out of the loop as to what transpired.
07:45Because that also as an outsider, it also looked like there was, yes, no timeline.
07:55And it also looked like there was little to no effort in terms of really investigating.
08:04We've been talking also in other incidents also about seeking for justice.
08:11And for me, Binali also with 36 lives that were lost is not also hopefully something that we will just
08:18forget and then move on to the next.
08:20Yeah, because to me, Mangud, like they're entertaining of, you know, there's a three-hectare property left unused.
08:32And this is not new to me.
08:35January 9th, January 9th, January 9th, when I went back there, because I was the first one to arrive, no,
08:41of the city elected officials.
08:43The following day, I went there past noon after the press con, which Mayor Archival conducted in the area.
08:52I told him, like, we will not put our garbage in one basket.
08:57It was consolation, it was consolation, it was consolation, it was consolation, it was consolation, it was consolation, it was
09:00consolation.
09:01I even mentioned being Lanilia.
09:03And then he said, no, don't worry about that.
09:05There are three hectares.
09:07I mean, less than 24 hours.
09:09It was three hectares.
09:10And at that time, 38 or 34 were still missing at that time.
09:16Yes, there were 34 still missing.
09:18And we only were able to retrieve like, do you have to retrieve it?
09:22And then they're talking already about it.
09:23When I heard about that, it's unbelievable.
09:30It's just like, by analogy, if there's a drunk driver,
09:36me drive sayang sakyanan, nakaligis, me hit and run.
09:41Of course, right after that, gikwaan ka sa iyong lisensya,
09:44di nagkapadagaan nun.
09:46Then all of a sudden, tagaan ka sa iyong lisensya,
09:48kipadagaan nun ka, pasak, padrive bun ka.
09:51I think it doesn't sit well.
09:53It doesn't sit well.
09:55And then it's not within the normal order of things.
10:00We can move forward if we can't do our investigation
10:07and then those responsible should be held accountable.
10:11It could be an individual.
10:13It could be the government, DNR.
10:17It could be the firm, the corporate company.
10:21It could be the LGU.
10:23And then transparent before we think of anything.
10:29And I'm not blind.
10:31I'm mindful of the crisis.
10:33But somehow, first things first.
10:36Let us not forget.
10:38Trente-says ka buk nang amatay riyan.
10:41So, parang ako, parang ako,
10:43giving justice is moving forward.
10:47So, karun,
10:50because if we backtrack, you mentioned payatas.
10:54And then locally, there was also Inayawan.
10:57And now there's Binaliw,
10:59which resulted to the tragedy.
11:02And then there's the plan
11:04of opening three hectares in Binaliw.
11:08What lesson do you think is
11:11Cebu City ba?
11:12The leadership.
11:13What lesson are they missing
11:17in all this pattern?
11:18Well, to me,
11:20the biggest lesson is
11:23landfill or dump site
11:27is never reliable.
11:29We failed already in Inayawan.
11:33And second, we have now the Binaliw.
11:36We failed.
11:37And it costs 36 lives.
11:40To stumble on the same stone twice
11:43is a proverbial disgrace.
11:46And then, in fact,
11:48late last year,
11:49I was already,
11:51I was in one of my
11:55privileged speeches.
11:56I mentioned, no?
11:58It's a tragedy bound to happen
11:59in Inayawan.
12:02Kanimma, open dump site ba?
12:03But I was branded
12:04by the mayor as an alarmist.
12:06Now my question is
12:07who is now alarm?
12:09No?
12:09I mean,
12:10we never learn our lesson.
12:12We never learn our lesson.
12:18We never learn our lesson.
12:20We never learn our lesson.
12:20So, somehow,
12:22I'm still waiting for the mayor
12:24to how to navigate this
12:26through a long-term scenario ba.
12:29Nang nanagitan yung line,
12:30final disposal,
12:31we have the short,
12:33the mid-term,
12:33but somehow,
12:34pangita gita o kaneng
12:36long-term na sustainable na solution.
12:38And now,
12:40the temporary location
12:42in terms of,
12:43correct me if I'm wrong,
12:44kaneng gathering the waste together
12:45before transporting them
12:47to locations like Aluginsan
12:49is that in SRP, no?
12:52Yeah.
12:52And we also have received reports, no?
12:56From people around the area,
12:59nga,
13:00mabahuan nga nila
13:01ang smell of garbage
13:03in such a business
13:04and prime location.
13:07Now,
13:07given this kind of moves,
13:09how do you assess
13:10the way the executive branch
13:14is really managing
13:15this situation?
13:18Well,
13:18first and foremost,
13:19kami sa legislative,
13:20we are not aware of that.
13:22We are not informed of that.
13:24Nga maode na yung plano.
13:25No.
13:25No.
13:26And mind you,
13:27I'm mindful
13:28of the tremendous pressure
13:31on the part of the executive.
13:33Mindful ko niya na.
13:34But,
13:36again,
13:36kaneng
13:38partnership man eh,
13:39at least,
13:39paibaw ko lang sa hong tami.
13:41Dili kay,
13:41nahibaw ko na nungin me,
13:43nga it landed
13:44in the front page,
13:46it's in all over
13:47the social media
13:48nga accounts, no?
13:49Nga,
13:50it's there.
13:51The middle of
13:52the SRP.
13:53Huwag mong kumingon sa iyo,
13:54sakto,
13:55oron sa,
13:56but, you know,
13:57desperate measure,
13:58you know,
13:59sa kaya,
13:59kaya lang pag-desperate
14:01ng mga solution ba.
14:02But then again,
14:03simple raman ta,
14:04paibaw ko na sa tami.
14:05But we are not aware of that.
14:09So,
14:10are we seeing ka nang
14:12real
14:15risk
14:16that potentially,
14:18if we go back to the 36 ba,
14:20they will,
14:21this case will just
14:23fade
14:24through time
14:26and eventually,
14:28the public will just
14:29forget, no?
14:32Well,
14:33based on
14:33Filipinos,
14:35you know,
14:37dalik naman kita malimot,
14:38no?
14:39For one,
14:43nobody remembers now
14:44what happened
14:45sa katong
14:46the worst maritime
14:47peacetime tragedy.
14:49Donya Pass.
14:50Donya Pass.
14:51That counts
14:52the 4,000,
14:535,000,
14:54but nobody remembers
14:55that anymore.
14:56Why I'm saying that?
14:57Because
14:5937 years ago,
15:00I was a JICA scholar.
15:02I happened to visit
15:03Hiroshima
15:04around the month
15:05of August,
15:06which is
15:06the
15:09anniversary
15:09of that
15:11bombing
15:12in Hiroshima.
15:12And when I arrived
15:14there sa Hiroshima,
15:15I saw
15:16Pilakabok Bas,
15:18mga,
15:19mga,
15:19mga,
15:20mga studyante,
15:21elementary,
15:21kagmayas,
15:22young,
15:226, 7,
15:238 years old,
15:24all the way from
15:25Tokyo,
15:25Tanan,
15:26all over
15:27Tanan,
15:28parts of Japan.
15:28They converge there.
15:30And then,
15:30there's a,
15:31there's a,
15:32kuwan dito,
15:32statue dito,
15:33about
15:33katubitang,
15:34kanyang paper cranes,
15:36that,
15:36that girl
15:37nga,
15:37who died,
15:38nga,
15:39ingon siya,
15:40huwag na yung 1,000 paper cranes,
15:41mabuhi siya,
15:42but upon 844,
15:44namatay na siya.
15:45So,
15:45but,
15:46I saw
15:47children there,
15:496,
15:497,
15:498 years old,
15:51gather around
15:52that,
15:53that,
15:53that,
15:54that,
15:54that statue,
15:55that figure there.
15:57They're all crying.
15:59Nanghilak sila.
16:01Of an
16:02event,
16:04nga,
16:04wapag gani,
16:05mataw,
16:05ang ilang ginikanan.
16:08No?
16:09So,
16:09so,
16:10grabe ang,
16:11grabe ang ilang sense of,
16:13of,
16:13of patriotism,
16:15or sense of,
16:16kaning,
16:17labi na ang mga,
16:18kanyang,
16:18kanyang,
16:18inganaan nga mga paghitabo,
16:20di gimawaan nila.
16:21And then,
16:23we cannot say that sa ato ah.
16:26Dali ra kita.
16:27We,
16:28dali ra kita maka,
16:29dali ra kita makalimot.
16:31No,
16:31I cannot,
16:32I cannot assure nga,
16:34na,
16:35naapagyapon eh.
16:38Makalimtan ba ni,
16:39or dali.
16:39But,
16:40one thing that I can assure the public
16:42is I will not stop talking
16:43and speaking until
16:47justice has been given
16:48and then
16:50mahuman ang investigasyon
16:51so that we can move on.
16:53And then,
16:54now with the temporary solution,
16:56at least lang from what I gathered,
16:58in effect naman ang Aluginsan,
16:59no?
17:00Yeah,
17:00I think,
17:01they didn't clear to me.
17:03In fact,
17:04prior to that,
17:05we have a solid mission.
17:06Dan natawid pulog,
17:07no?
17:08Di po na clear to me.
17:10Nothing so clear.
17:12Okay.
17:12If we can put like
17:16150 in pulog,
17:17or 100,
17:18whatever that is,
17:19at least,
17:20the older you are on the part,
17:21put in our garbage truck
17:24in the Barangay Base,
17:25near the area,
17:28ato lang sa tantotong
17:29iikuhaan.
17:30Kaya,
17:31we only pay there
17:321,200 raman
17:33per ton.
17:34Unlike here,
17:35if you're gonna transport it
17:36all the way to Aluginsan,
17:38it mawagot mag 3,009.
17:40Yes.
17:40Para naku ba,
17:42it should be wise
17:43that we will not put
17:44all our eggs in one basket.
17:46Like for example,
17:47kanadayarun sa Aluginsan,
17:49that is not a landfill.
17:50That is,
17:51you know what that is, no?
17:52But what if that will be overwhelmed?
17:54It's a crisis na sadda.
17:56So, para naku ba,
17:59I gave that observation nila
18:01sa una pangat,
18:03i-distribute na to.
18:04I-distribute na to
18:05atong basura.
18:07Asa da pita ang dool,
18:08mas dali.
18:10Dali na ito i-urot tanan.
18:12But it seems karun,
18:14i-urot man tanan dito.
18:15And then on top of that,
18:16during our solid waste management
18:18sometime last month,
18:20naman to yu idea,
18:21nga there is a,
18:21there is a best practice
18:24in one of the cities in Manila.
18:26Mandaloy yung perhaps
18:27mamantan ito.
18:29Nga,
18:30umagisgo kag-transfer station,
18:31all you need is just like
18:33a thousand square meters.
18:35And they put up
18:37a certain structure
18:38nga angka na mga truck,
18:40mga garbage truck,
18:42mga saka sa taas,
18:43kunya ilalang i-abo,
18:44and there is the,
18:45there is the,
18:46another big truck,
18:48no,
18:48nga nga tuno mo pa doon,
18:50nga tuno na nila,
18:51muhatod nila sa final disposal.
18:53Kunya,
18:54limpio pa jod ka ayo.
18:55Unlike karun,
18:57nag-double handling naman tada,
18:58i-dump ni mo di ha,
18:59then you need another one to,
19:01para na ako,
19:02systematic ito.
19:03It was shown to him,
19:05and,
19:06it was shown to DPS,
19:08I hope,
19:09you know,
19:10put all our energy,
19:11makuha,
19:12mamainstall ito,
19:14mas,
19:15tako kayo,
19:16huguan sa,
19:17sa time,
19:18dali,
19:18dili na madubuluhan,
19:19limp,
19:19and on top of that,
19:21maminos na ito,
19:22ang violation na ito,
19:24especially,
19:25simpre sa Utah,
19:26musib,
19:26nasa ng lichet dito,
19:27niyang baho,
19:28so,
19:29transfer station ga siya,
19:31dili na siya,
19:32dili na siya,
19:33dili na siya,
19:34transfer station ga na siya,
19:36mahatod din ito,
19:37niya,
19:37dritsyo,
19:38so,
19:39these ideas were already thrown to,
19:41to the executive,
19:42and I,
19:43I don't know why,
19:44wala man ta mag,
19:46buhat na to,
19:47in the direction.
19:48Now,
19:48the other thing,
19:48aside from,
19:49the reports that we would hear about,
19:52kanang,
19:52the smell,
19:53no,
19:53in,
19:54in SRP,
19:55I also have friends,
19:56who would message me,
19:58no,
19:58because,
19:59they also felt,
20:00like,
20:01the frequency of the collection,
20:03of garbage,
20:04is,
20:05not,
20:06stable,
20:07no,
20:07is,
20:08makita nila ang difference,
20:09before Binalio,
20:11and after Binalio,
20:13there seems to be a gap,
20:14no,
20:15in terms of,
20:16the collection,
20:17and then you mentioned also,
20:18about the cost to Aluginsan,
20:19at least from my research,
20:21ang expenses,
20:22if mo continue nila situation,
20:24kata yung mong gisayit na,
20:251,100 ang previous,
20:27and then now,
20:28with Aluginsan,
20:29it's 3,906,
20:31and then,
20:31kung mo continue nila trend,
20:32as you mentioned,
20:33the disposal expense,
20:35this year,
20:36could balloon to 1.2 billion,
20:38no,
20:39and then,
20:40the budget is only,
20:43517 million,
20:44so that's a huge,
20:46disparity,
20:47disparity,
20:48so,
20:48in terms of,
20:49the urgency,
20:51ba,
20:51of addressing,
20:53these gaps,
20:54kaya mura mag,
20:55for the lack of better word,
20:57mura,
20:58nagkabuhang nalang ta,
20:59o ka nang,
21:01lihok ba,
21:02what do you think,
21:04should have been,
21:05the steps,
21:06that were taken,
21:07on that,
21:08before today,
21:09kaya mura,
21:10mura,
21:10as of today,
21:11at least from me,
21:12as an outsider,
21:13it's not very clear,
21:14mura siya,
21:15pakes,
21:16kaya na,
21:16I wasn't even sure,
21:17kung close na ba,
21:18ang atong deal with Pulog,
21:20not sure po ko,
21:21and then,
21:22you confirm also nga,
21:23you're not sure,
21:23and then,
21:24I'm also not sure about,
21:25there was also the conversation,
21:27about Toledo,
21:27no,
21:28so,
21:28mura,
21:30what,
21:30mura,
21:31and we've,
21:32I've heard this,
21:33also ideas,
21:34even in the past,
21:35so,
21:35what should have been,
21:36the steps,
21:37na by now,
21:37in place na on that,
21:39no,
21:40okay,
21:40rather than,
21:40murag yapuntag,
21:42where are we with this?
21:43Yeah,
21:44everything we do right now,
21:45it's all palliative,
21:47no,
21:49daghan pa kayong,
21:50umabot problema na,
21:51like,
21:52for example,
21:52mga tuta,
21:53o ganing,
21:54aluginsan,
21:56of course,
21:57we earn the ire,
21:58of all those LGUs,
21:59that we pass by,
22:00no,
22:01in traverse,
22:02in going to the area,
22:04so,
22:04grabe,
22:05basura ko na,
22:06manimaho ko na,
22:06not to mention,
22:07I don't know,
22:08if they're being compliant,
22:09ka nang lichit,
22:10ka nang magtutu,
22:11diha,
22:11or ang basa,
22:12ako,
22:12no,
22:12so,
22:13I mean,
22:14ah,
22:14it's just a ticking time bomb,
22:16before they said,
22:17no,
22:19but everything right now,
22:20is so palliative,
22:21no,
22:22para na ako,
22:23I mean,
22:23I said it earlier,
22:25that's really a big gamble,
22:27but we never learned our lesson,
22:28sa una,
22:29we rely,
22:30ragyod sa,
22:32inayawan,
22:33pagkasira,
22:33crisis,
22:34karoon nasa,
22:35more rely,
22:35nasa,
22:36Binalio,
22:36pagkasira,
22:37crisis,
22:38nakaroon,
22:38we put everything,
22:39nasa,
22:39dito sa,
22:41sa,
22:41sa,
22:42aluginsan,
22:43and time will tell,
22:45di,
22:45lima na,
22:46di,
22:46manna,
22:46we've seen it,
22:47we've seen the pattern,
22:48we've seen it before,
22:50no,
22:50and if it happened to,
22:51Binalio,
22:52it happened to,
22:52inayawan,
22:53it will happen to,
22:54aluginsan,
22:55so,
22:56what,
22:57what,
22:58well,
22:58I know the effort about,
23:00of course,
23:01kanang segregating,
23:02I mean,
23:02that should be,
23:03that should be,
23:04i-double pa na,
23:05i-triple pa na siya,
23:06no,
23:06I'm not saying,
23:08mag-segregate,
23:09kaning,
23:10perfect ta,
23:11perfect ta,
23:12sa collection and everything,
23:13of course,
23:14mag-apo,
23:14tra-apo na dito,
23:15no,
23:16but then again,
23:17it is the behavioral pattern,
23:19that we are trying,
23:20to correct here,
23:21no,
23:21that we are trying,
23:22to mold,
23:23the people,
23:24at source,
23:25may bawa na sila,
23:26karungadlawad,
23:27basa,
23:29karungadlawad,
23:29dili basa,
23:30simple lang sa kayo,
23:31malata,
23:32or di malata,
23:33and going back to your question,
23:35pod nga,
23:35murag,
23:36karoon medyo,
23:37minus na kayo ang collection,
23:39daganang tag-backlag,
23:41and that explained,
23:42daganang tag-backlag,
23:43pilagot na kasi ma-
23:43Even sa konsolasyon palang daan,
23:45that's all,
23:46we're generating 600,
23:48tapos ang gi-allow nila,
23:49is 150.
23:50That alone is a backlog na,
23:51backlog na to siya.
23:52dagan,
23:53there are a lot of those,
23:55daganang ganyabot na ako,
23:56nga ka ng mga looting,
23:57ang mga bakantig,
23:58himo,
23:59o minidam site,
24:00ng reklamo,
24:00ang mga tag-iya,
24:02and then,
24:02dool sa mga sapag,
24:03ipang habag,
24:04ipang hagbong nila,
24:06along the major streets,
24:07interior streets,
24:08daganang ganyag basura,
24:09this was the cause of a backlog,
24:11so,
24:11para na ako,
24:12bear with us,
24:13bear with us,
24:14I know the city government,
24:16their barangay,
24:17are moving heaven and earth,
24:18kaya kinsa magwig buot,
24:19gustong manimaho ta,
24:20but we are really in a crisis,
24:22but what we really need,
24:23now,
24:24tingali,
24:25DJs,
24:26natay kongkreto,
24:28uga asa tapadong,
24:29as it is now,
24:30wapamanggiag,
24:32natay kongkreto,
24:33unta,
24:33unta,
24:34I understand,
24:35the passion,
24:37okay,
24:37we will reduce our garbage,
24:39by this much,
24:40by this much,
24:40but,
24:41come on,
24:42let's,
24:43you know,
24:44let's go down to earth,
24:46and talk like real,
24:47okay,
24:48based on all my experiences,
24:52sabsag-asa na ako,
24:53like Japan,
24:54nga rin sa Bangkok,
24:56in Singapore,
24:58it took them a while,
25:01na reduce na nilang basura,
25:03it took them a while,
25:04it took them decades,
25:06Yokohama,
25:07which is one of the best prefecture city,
25:09in Japan,
25:11it took them like,
25:12eight years before,
25:12na reduce nila by 30%,
25:14and as it is right now,
25:15nagduwa,
25:16yapon sila,
25:16s'kurintay sinkong,
25:17nga to sinkwinta,
25:18and that was like,
25:20two,
25:20more than two decades ago,
25:22no,
25:22so,
25:23kibaw ko,
25:24i-compare na to,
25:25ang Japanese,
25:27kita,
25:27di yun na to,
25:28ma-compare,
25:28no,
25:29in fact,
25:30record holder,
25:31manganeta,
25:31we're not proud of this,
25:33ang Pilipinas,
25:34as the number one,
25:36source of,
25:38marine plastic pollutants,
25:40in the world,
25:41just imagine,
25:41sa usag-at-uig,
25:43mula ba ito,
25:45356,000,
25:47tons,
25:48of plastic,
25:49diya sa dagat,
25:51i-combine pa na niyo mo,
25:53ang China,
25:54o India,
25:54or the topmost,
25:55populous nation,
25:56around the world,
25:57di pakatunga,
25:59so that,
25:59that is a reflection,
26:01of our attitude,
26:02and behavior,
26:03towards waste,
26:04towards plastic,
26:05now,
26:05if you,
26:06put a very,
26:07good,
26:09scenario ba,
26:10okay man na,
26:11to drive people,
26:12to be aggressive,
26:14about it,
26:14but then again,
26:15in the,
26:15in the long run,
26:17that will surely fail,
26:18no,
26:19and then,
26:20it will,
26:20you will lose integrity,
26:22niyan ang aspect,
26:22ang akong trying to say,
26:24let us be practical,
26:25let us be practical,
26:26kay,
26:27dagatun ta,
26:28ma-segregate,
26:30dagatun ta,
26:30ma-recycle,
26:31but I was,
26:32looking,
26:33at those,
26:35volume,
26:35percentage,
26:36na dili na to,
26:38ma-address,
26:38dili na to,
26:39ma-recycle,
26:39dili na to,
26:40ma-compose,
26:41dili na to,
26:42ma-segregate,
26:44awesome na pa doon,
26:45mo gina ako.
26:46And,
26:47in my,
26:48opinion po,
26:49di ba,
26:50when we set goals,
26:51there's smart,
26:52no,
26:53and R in smart is,
26:55realistic,
26:56realistic,
26:57kay,
26:57with the way things are going,
26:59kung basig,
27:00sobra tako optimistic,
27:01about the 50% reduction,
27:04in six months,
27:05basig mo po na,
27:06mo delay na to,
27:07mangita o,
27:08alternative solution,
27:09because we're banking,
27:10on something,
27:11na doable,
27:12that may not happen,
27:15sige,
27:16ang isa po,
27:17the questions,
27:18that I would hear also,
27:19at least,
27:19within my circle is,
27:21and by the way,
27:22then going back to the 36,
27:24for me,
27:25I see the wisdom,
27:26nga katong,
27:27na-pronouncements na,
27:28dili na mo open,
27:29unless,
27:30dili na to,
27:30to siya mo resolve,
27:31kay,
27:31I think,
27:32in the way I see it,
27:33murag,
27:33it forces the conversation,
27:35about justice,
27:36no,
27:36pero karun,
27:37sige,
27:38granting,
27:39dili mo open,
27:40o,
27:41ka ng,
27:42additional three hectares,
27:43in Binalio,
27:45what's,
27:45your suggested,
27:47interim,
27:48solution,
27:49also,
27:49karun?
27:50Well,
27:51as it is now,
27:53of course,
27:53naanaman na diha,
27:55ang kanang aluginsa,
27:56no,
27:57let us not create,
27:58another,
28:00environmental problem,
28:01which is,
28:02naghimo na sa taog,
28:03kagalingo na pong,
28:04dump site diha,
28:05sa,
28:05in the middle of,
28:06SRP,
28:07dili,
28:07it should be a,
28:09it should be a transfer station,
28:11that is compliant,
28:12of what a transportation,
28:13supposed to be.
28:14Ideally,
28:15dili manimaho,
28:16na kung compliant.
28:17Yes,
28:17yes,
28:18naman po na sila,
28:19mga deodorizer niya,
28:21and plus the fact,
28:22dili naman na mustay,
28:23o dugay diha,
28:24magkadugay mango,
28:25magkapanimaho mango,
28:26this,
28:26magpundo na ng basura diha,
28:28uwan,
28:28init,
28:29diha,
28:30that's the time na,
28:31na manimaho.
28:32Kanaalong ta,
28:33kanang transfer station,
28:34o butang tagpan eh,
28:35yeah,
28:36we'll put up an efficient transfer station there,
28:38na may model dito sa Mandaluyong.
28:40So,
28:40pwede na ito na mahimo.
28:41And second,
28:42asa ako ng gisulti pag yun,
28:45dili na ito ibutang,
28:46ang tanahan ng itong basura sa usatang lugar.
28:48Dili na ito ibutang,
28:50ito nang i-distribute.
28:51And,
28:52it's about time na,
28:53we have to really focus on our infrastructure,
28:56which is,
28:58dili lang matubag na tanahan sa gobyerno,
29:00kung dili nga rin po sa private sector.
29:01Daghan nagpaapot diha,
29:03na ikaw galingon silang MRF,
29:05na recycling plants,
29:08it's about time that we have to call all of them,
29:10no?
29:11Patunang tawagon na sila.
29:12Or the straight term.
29:13No nga,
29:13nga nga,
29:14we need help.
29:15We need help.
29:16And thirdly,
29:17which I've been raising sad for the longest time sad,
29:20kaneng,
29:20krisis man taron.
29:22Now,
29:22we talked to the business sector,
29:25community.
29:26And then,
29:27this was also the,
29:28one of my resolutions,
29:30a motion that I filed to,
29:34public session ago,
29:36nga,
29:37tinggalin,
29:37mangutahan na punta sa mga business establishment ba nga,
29:40krisis man taron,
29:41pwede ba,
29:42on your own,
29:43kamo sa,
29:45makapangitaan mo,
29:47private service provider,
29:49ngamoy mo,
29:50hipo sa sa'yo yung basura,
29:51kaya we will focus on the residential area lang,
29:54sa,
29:54no?
29:56Pwede man tayo na,
29:57madialog na ito.
29:58Kaya,
29:59dili man sa'yo yung pag-unsa,
30:00when you talk about garbage fees,
30:01gamay ba yung garbage fees sa city?
30:03In fact,
30:04one coffee shop,
30:05international brand,
30:06only give 1,600,
30:081,600,
30:09700 a year.
30:11That's the,
30:12that's the truth,
30:13no?
30:13Huwag mag-heasgot ka,
30:15huwag ka nang mga,
30:16fast food,
30:17international,
30:18o ka nang local,
30:19number one,
30:20ito nga local,
30:215,000 a year.
30:23Ka na ba?
30:24Ya,
30:24karoon kita,
30:25kaning,
30:26I told the mayor nga,
30:28why don't we ask them,
30:30it's already,
30:31ako naman nang gihisgot,
30:32ako nang gihisgot,
30:33sa solid waste management,
30:34in open session,
30:36ako naman gihisgot,
30:37huwag yung ta nila nga,
30:38karoon lang sa,
30:39kamulay kolekta.
30:40Anyway,
30:42Robinson's,
30:42New Star,
30:44SM has been doing it,
30:45manzad,
30:46no?
30:46So,
30:47ayala perhaps,
30:48naansad sa ila-ila.
30:50ka nang mga gagmay-gagmay,
30:51if okay ba,
30:53just for the,
30:54interim lang bi daw,
30:55it's,
30:55it's,
30:57it's,
30:58ang tangal ni sala,
30:59or sayot,
31:00na muas taong tapak.
31:03Now,
31:04recently,
31:05after the,
31:07trip,
31:08no?
31:08that the mayor took,
31:09in Japan,
31:11no?
31:11And then,
31:12I've read also,
31:13from the papers,
31:13that he already made,
31:14pronouncements,
31:16about,
31:17waste to energy,
31:19you know,
31:19as the,
31:20moving forward solution,
31:21you have been,
31:22advocating for,
31:24waste to energy,
31:25for years,
31:26no?
31:26Or even a decade,
31:27correct me if I'm wrong,
31:28no?
31:29Almost.
31:29Almost a decade.
31:31So,
31:31the moment you heard about this,
31:33and,
31:33and,
31:34and if my,
31:35data also,
31:36or memory serves me right,
31:38when it was proposed,
31:39in the council,
31:40when the mayor was a councillor,
31:42he was among those,
31:43who opposed,
31:44the idea.
31:45So,
31:45finally,
31:46after his trip,
31:47or at least during his trip,
31:49he issued a pronouncement,
31:50no?
31:51Waste to energy,
31:52is our moving forward.
31:54What's your,
31:55reaction,
31:56to that idea?
31:57I have a mixed emotion,
32:00no?
32:01Uh,
32:01part of me is hopeful,
32:03part of me is,
32:04not so hopeful,
32:06no?
32:07Uh,
32:07I know,
32:08someone is very much against,
32:10in fact,
32:12he's one way or another,
32:13responsible,
32:14na,
32:14matay,
32:15sa dito,
32:15sa public hearing,
32:16no?
32:17Kaya,
32:17yung mga ipadasa dito,
32:18yung mga,
32:19top medical honcho dito,
32:21no?
32:21Uh,
32:22but anyway,
32:22that's Water and the Bridge,
32:23parang ako,
32:24okay na na,
32:25okay na,
32:25manato,
32:26manato.
32:27Uh,
32:28and then all of a sudden,
32:29he's in favor,
32:31then all of a sudden,
32:32Nazad,
32:33di na sa GIA,
32:34because there are some requirements,
32:35that he wants to be complied with,
32:38then karo na sa ad,
32:40di okay na sa GIA,
32:41you know,
32:42kanang,
32:45hehehehe,
32:46kuhan kay ko,
32:46kanang,
32:48there's a certain degree,
32:49of indecisiveness,
32:52we should be firm,
32:54okay,
32:54we're looking here,
32:56the future generation,
32:58the future of our city,
32:59so we must have something,
33:00that is sustainable,
33:02we're not trying to play words here,
33:04ba,
33:04we have,
33:05we have other nations,
33:06we have other big cities,
33:08na,
33:08atong makumparar,
33:09ba,
33:10and then,
33:10I've reported,
33:11when I first visited there,
33:13last January,
33:15akong i-report na,
33:16I delivered a privilege speech,
33:17ay,
33:18ihatag na ako sa solid waste management,
33:20together sa,
33:20akong mga kauban,
33:21sa city planning board,
33:23o sa season role,
33:25and,
33:25wala man,
33:27imobito tong na guest nirin,
33:29or,
33:32wala effect ba,
33:33or definite yun na,
33:35statement,
33:36and moving forward,
33:38kaya lang,
33:39we have to be decisive,
33:40decisive niyan,
33:42we're talking here,
33:43the future,
33:44state of our city,
33:46paduong tadi ha,
33:46paduong tadi ha,
33:47and then,
33:48speaking of the timeline,
33:50also,
33:51nga part,
33:51no,
33:52for the,
33:53I think we covered this,
33:55in the previous conversation,
33:56even with,
33:56attorney Lix,
33:57no,
33:58pero just for our viewers,
34:00kanang,
34:00expectation setting,
34:02how long does it normally take,
34:05for a WTE facility,
34:07ba,
34:07to be operational?
34:09well,
34:11sa,
34:12dito sa China,
34:13which is,
34:13China has more than,
34:14a thousand,
34:15companies,
34:16no,
34:16ang ilang,
34:18butang diri,
34:19sa,
34:19sa Bangkok,
34:20kaya ang Bangkok,
34:22more or less,
34:22parihama na to,
34:23no,
34:24parihag,
34:24types sa municipal ways,
34:26parihag climbing,
34:27parihag moisture,
34:28parihag itagnaong,
34:28parihag behavior dito,
34:30no,
34:31it took them,
34:32two years,
34:32ah,
34:33two years,
34:33okay,
34:34it took them two years,
34:34kaya,
34:35ang China,
34:36mas,
34:36kusog sila,
34:37kusog sila,
34:38kibawa nag-a-China,
34:39kusog kayo,
34:39and Japan,
34:40it took them,
34:41a little longer than that,
34:43depende sa,
34:44volume,
34:45depende sa,
34:46capacity,
34:46capacity,
34:47na ma-process nila,
34:49now,
34:50the reason,
34:50maguday,
34:51ask that question,
34:52because,
34:53even if we proceed,
34:55kanang,
34:55definite,
34:56nag-in na WTE,
34:57it will not be done,
34:58next week,
34:59yeah,
34:59so,
34:59murang murag,
35:00the longer we delay,
35:01the farther,
35:02also,
35:02the reality will happen,
35:04but,
35:04to me,
35:05ah,
35:06when we,
35:06we look at a sustainable,
35:08na to,
35:09na,
35:09na,
35:10technology,
35:12it's not just a one,
35:14kanar siyang usa,
35:15it's,
35:15it coupled with a lot of,
35:17solid waste management,
35:19we're talking here about,
35:20the different,
35:21infrastructures,
35:22and facilities,
35:23like,
35:23material recovery facility,
35:25recycling plant,
35:26kanar,
35:27kunduwi,
35:28gina siya,
35:29apil gina siya,
35:30apil siya nasa,
35:31kanang composting,
35:32kanar,
35:33it's not a,
35:34moro na siya,
35:35tubag,
35:35kay Tuganang Tagam,
35:36sa Japan,
35:37when they started,
35:38on the incineration,
35:40di li,
35:41naman tinong,
35:41mga residual ways,
35:42na,
35:43mo'y,
35:43abot dito,
35:44tanan klase,
35:45in the beginning,
35:46in the beginning,
35:47just like Bangkok,
35:48no,
35:49was there,
35:50mukha on,
35:51ang ilahang,
35:51facility,
35:52bisagunsa,
35:53mukha on,
35:54except,
35:54of course,
35:55kanang hazard,
35:56those ways,
35:56di li,
35:56mga pwede,
35:57mukha on,
35:58but as they go along,
36:01intensify,
36:02segregation,
36:03intensify,
36:04recycling,
36:05education,
36:06which,
36:06to me,
36:06which is primordial,
36:08which is primordial,
36:09ma-intensify,
36:10magamay na ng basura,
36:11like,
36:12like,
36:12like,
36:13like Yokohama,
36:14they used to have seven,
36:15waste to energy facility,
36:16karong upat na lang,
36:18upat na lang.
36:19So,
36:20assuming,
36:21no,
36:21that the mayor,
36:22eventually,
36:22will be,
36:23very definite,
36:24on the moving forward,
36:26like WTE,
36:28what's your forecast,
36:30in terms of,
36:31the city council,
36:33to support this one?
36:34And,
36:35the context of my question,
36:36kaya basit mo,
36:36repeat itong sa una ba?
36:37Nga,
36:37you proposed for it,
36:39and then,
36:39napatay na giyapon.
36:41I think the council was,
36:43for it.
36:44Okay.
36:44No,
36:44ang consejo,
36:45so it's just a matter of,
36:46huwag problema,
36:47ang consejo.
36:48Ang consejo was,
36:51smart enough to go to that direction.
36:53But,
36:54ang stumbling block,
36:55biggest stumbling block na to,
36:56karon,
36:57when he assumed,
36:58is him.
36:59Because he's,
37:00he's,
37:01he said it publicly,
37:03he's against it.
37:04No,
37:04so,
37:05that's why,
37:06ang katong akong,
37:07atong,
37:07atong,
37:08ka,
37:09joint venture,
37:10you know,
37:12public hearing,
37:13pag ganit,
37:13dagana ka yung,
37:14kwan,
37:15which,
37:15kasabot siya ko,
37:16I was also educated,
37:17punsan,
37:18itabu,
37:18asandito sabukin,
37:19it's not easy for them,
37:20sad.
37:21Guba,
37:21no?
37:21Oh,
37:22they sad la lim on their part,
37:24kay,
37:24pan-auslas binalyo,
37:25anunsan na nang binalyo,
37:26niya,
37:26ibali na sa ninyo,
37:27diri,
37:27no?
37:28So,
37:28nakasabot siya ko niya,
37:29nandapita.
37:30But then,
37:31when the mayor is against it,
37:33so,
37:33niingon ang,
37:34ang news ka,
37:35eh nga,
37:36ah,
37:36public hearing pa ganit,
37:37niya against na,
37:39when we try to acquire the different permits sa city,
37:43like conversion,
37:44and all of the stuff which will involve city planning board,
37:47ah,
37:48zoning,
37:48zoning ordinance,
37:49I mean,
37:50of course,
37:51these are handpicked by the mayor,
37:52they cannot,
37:53diin sila,
37:54diin sila,
37:55mag-agad sila.
37:56Oh,
37:56oh,
37:57so,
37:57ana,
37:58it's a useless,
37:58kwan ba?
37:59Hmm,
38:00suntoks buwan lang lang,
38:01umupadayon sila,
38:02so.
38:03But I'm glad at least that you were,
38:05Paul's,
38:05sa city council,
38:07once we move forward with WTE,
38:09supportado,
38:09gichiro,
38:10very,
38:10very supportive,
38:10by the council.
38:12Very supportive,
38:13gichiro.
38:13In fact,
38:14diin sila manin mo na along party lines.
38:16I remember it,
38:18I remember it,
38:20correctly,
38:20gichiro,
38:21during the previous session,
38:23sa Guniang Panglongsod,
38:24Joyang,
38:25belongs to the,
38:27but,
38:27you know,
38:28he said,
38:28you know,
38:28this is,
38:29this is it.
38:30Daganang,
38:31kung nakadungog niya niya niwa,
38:32pag it,
38:32kanin,
38:32do all na nang is tinuray,
38:34do all na nang is tinuray,
38:35so,
38:36go for it.
38:37I mean,
38:38but then again,
38:39nasa giubandili,
38:40and I cannot force them,
38:41lalain man ta.
38:43And then the other thing po,
38:44is granting,
38:45kanang,
38:46check na,
38:46the executive,
38:47and then city council,
38:48imong Paul's,
38:49is supportive of this one.
38:51Unsa man say,
38:52mga,
38:53kanang,
38:54terms in,
38:56kanang,
38:57just a few lang,
38:57di po nang tanan,
38:58terms in the contract,
39:00with whoever will be the provider,
39:03which you can suggest,
39:05na,
39:05will also ensure,
39:06na,
39:07it's not going to be,
39:08a problematic project,
39:09in the future.
39:11Well,
39:12sa akong case,
39:13katong sa New Sky,
39:16they have,
39:17they have,
39:18they have,
39:18many,
39:21facilities,
39:22in fact,
39:23sa Bangkok,
39:24mutulo na.
39:25Ah,
39:26okay.
39:26Oh,
39:26that's the nearest,
39:27no?
39:27That's the nearest.
39:27So,
39:28that means,
39:28napad sila,
39:29proof of concept.
39:30Yeah,
39:30na,
39:30na,
39:31na,
39:31na,
39:31it was,
39:32it was operational in 2016,
39:35no?
39:35So,
39:36karun,
39:36nanubo na.
39:37You know,
39:38Bangkok is a very huge city,
39:40no?
39:40So,
39:41nanayduhan sa,
39:42tulo,
39:42I think,
39:43by,
39:43by two years,
39:44upat na sana.
39:45Vietnam,
39:46they have,
39:46I mean,
39:46when you talk about proof of concept,
39:48nanay na siya,
39:49established na na siya,
39:50no?
39:51So,
39:51may nguntang,
39:53ah,
39:53of course,
39:55kailan mindful gaya punta,
39:56kita sa,
39:57sa,
39:57sa,
39:57sa gobyerno.
39:59Ang ilaha dito,
40:00ang ilang panghaw dito,
40:0124 hours,
40:03monitored sa ilaha pong DNR dito.
40:05Kunsa mangani,
40:06emission nila,
40:07kunsa mangani,
40:09it is in the middle of the city,
40:10the cooking LED dito,
40:12morning,
40:12afternoon,
40:13complete to good.
40:14I hope the viewers also would capture that.
40:16Yeah,
40:16kanaba,
40:17naaadid to,
40:18so you know,
40:18there's a dashboard,
40:20there's a dashboard sa operation niya,
40:22mindful gita,
40:23and then,
40:24that,
40:24that,
40:25that facility nga akong nabisita dito sa,
40:28at the back is a high-end subdivision.
40:31Reklamador ba yung mga dato?
40:33High-end,
40:33high-end subdivision.
40:35And it co-exist,
40:36like sa Midoro,
40:38Migoro dito sa Tokyo,
40:40ay guapo ka ilang mga buwak,
40:41diha,
40:42kanang,
40:42sana sa Japan,
40:43kanang,
40:44kanang,
40:44cherry blossom.
40:45Cherry blossom,
40:46it's surrounded by cherry blossom,
40:48guapo kayo.
40:49Chiba,
40:50sa,
40:51you've been to Kwanman,
40:52kaning,
40:53katubitan ang dagang kay Manglabang,
40:55diha,
40:55dyan nga na.
40:56Shibuya.
40:56Shibuya,
40:57in Shibuya,
40:58dako kayo,
40:581,200,
41:00but,
41:00besides,
41:01it's a hotel,
41:02it's a,
41:02it's a condominium,
41:03resort,
41:04mall,
41:05I mean,
41:05there's a WTE facility.
41:07There's a,
41:071,200,
41:09it's a WTE.
41:11I mean,
41:12parang ako ba,
41:12kaning,
41:13di ba ni damgo,
41:15naaman eh,
41:16naitabo.
41:16And verifiable.
41:18Verifiable.
41:19In fact,
41:20di liilang kayo ka na,
41:20katuha-tuhang news kayo na ito
41:22nga gi-propose,
41:23dagang to gi-agian.
41:25Ang Asian Development Bank,
41:26nagkandak o study,
41:27hana.
41:28And that,
41:29technology mo,
41:30ilang gi-endorse.
41:32Ang DOST,
41:33Department of Science and Technology,
41:34went to Bangkok,
41:37and they conduct study,
41:38and pasado sila kanan.
41:41No?
41:41So,
41:42and then,
41:42DOE and DNR also conducted their own.
41:45When you talk about,
41:46Balaud Mangani,
41:47as what the mayor always said,
41:48we lock this,
41:49we lock this,
41:49we lock this,
41:50we lock this.
41:50Nana na tanan.
41:51Dili man na siya mo proceed
41:53ang atong JV.
41:54Maybe skip.
41:55Oo.
41:57Sige.
41:57So,
41:58I think you will be seeing the mayor,
42:00but just in case,
42:01especially for those also who are,
42:06kanang,
42:07maybe advising him against,
42:09maybe,
42:09no?
42:10That's why.
42:11Kanang,
42:12do you have a statement na lang
42:14to convince them?
42:15You can use this platform.
42:18Mga down to the last two questions na ta.
42:20Just in case,
42:22he or those around him
42:25who may not be supportive
42:26of this idea,
42:28what will you tell them?
42:29You know,
42:29in my speech last Tuesday,
42:33simple namang kong gisulti,
42:35I don't mind the technology.
42:38Could be a waste of energy.
42:40Could be an incineration.
42:42As what the vice mayor is also
42:44trying to,
42:45trying to present.
42:49Whatever engineering solution,
42:51as long as we don't go back to
42:54open dams site.
42:56Dili na ko,
42:57I mean,
42:57I've reached the point ba nga,
42:59I've reached the point ba nga,
43:02the ball game na nanin mo,
43:03you decide.
43:04You decide,
43:06dili na pwedeng maghangin lang yapunta.
43:08If you said it's WT,
43:09then go for it.
43:10WT ita.
43:11If you think it's incineration,
43:13then go for it.
43:15I reached a point na ba nga,
43:18it doesn't have to be my way.
43:20It doesn't have to be
43:21what I believe in.
43:22As long as we don't go back there anymore.
43:25More na.
43:26And you've stated this already,
43:28but I also want that we
43:29end the conversation to this now.
43:31What about for the families
43:33and the people
43:36who also mourn
43:37for the 36 lives
43:39that were lost ba?
43:42What's also your
43:44commitment to them?
43:46So that incidents like this
43:48will not just be
43:50something that we mourn
43:52and then post in social media?
43:54And then eventually forget.
43:58Well,
44:01I have no assurance
44:02that
44:03I cannot give them assurance
44:05that
44:07they will be given justice.
44:09I cannot
44:11assure them
44:17or
44:20Cebu for that matter
44:22safe na
44:23ang atong
44:23area
44:24more reopened
44:25but this one thing
44:26I can assure them
44:27I will not stop
44:28talking
44:29and speaking
44:30until we achieve
44:32what we want to achieve.
44:33I will not stop.
44:36Accountability,
44:38transparency,
44:42and speaking
44:43that you will not
44:44stop
44:44and thank you
44:45but my wish
44:46also is in
44:47our next
44:48conversation
44:52we will be
44:53talking about
44:54implementation
44:54already
44:55and how we
44:57move forward
44:57because it sounds
44:59like this is
44:59a series.
45:03This is a very
45:05healthy
45:06forum
45:06discussion.
45:09I'm not trying
45:09to impress
45:10that I know
45:11better than
45:11anybody.
45:12No, no, no.
45:13I listen.
45:14I'm very mindful
45:16but somehow
45:17what I'm trying
45:18to say
45:18is just put
45:19our acts
45:19together
45:20and
45:22let's not look
45:23at each other
45:24but let's look
45:26forward together
45:26in one direction
45:28and what is best
45:29for Cebu City.
45:29Thank you
45:30Counselor Joel
45:31for the
45:32conversation
45:33beyond the
45:34headlines.
45:3536 lives
45:36were lost
45:37in that
45:38collapse
45:38in Binalio
45:39tragedy.
45:40The question
45:41that remains
45:42is whether
45:42the lessons
45:43from this
45:43tragedy
45:44is truly
45:45shaping
45:46the decisions
45:46of our
45:47leaders
45:48moving forward
45:50because ultimately
45:51the measure
45:52of progress
45:53will not be
45:54how quickly
45:55we solve
45:56the garbage
45:56crisis
45:57but how
45:58we responsibly
45:59ensure
45:59that such
46:00a tragedy
46:01never
46:02happens
46:03again.
46:04I'm DJ
46:05Moises
46:05and this
46:06has been
46:06Beyond the
46:07Headlines.
46:07Thank you
46:08for watching
46:09and see you
46:09again tomorrow.
46:10tomorrow.
46:41and see you
46:42as well.
46:42You
46:42as well.
46:42as well.
46:43You
46:43as well.
46:44as well.
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