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Join us as Cebu City Councilor Joel Garganera, Chair of the Committee on Environment, talks about the Binaliw landfill collapse, the stalled P5-billion waste-to-energy project in Barangay Guba, and the steps Cebu City is taking to improve waste management, public safety, and environmental oversight.
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Join us as Cebu City Councilor Joel Garganera, Chair of the Committee on Environment, talks about the Binaliw landfill collapse, the stalled P5-billion waste-to-energy project in Barangay Guba, and the steps Cebu City is taking to improve waste management, public safety, and environmental oversight.
Don’t miss this critical conversation. Look beyond the headlines.
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01:29What's the long-term solution?
01:32Despite the waste to energy's promise to reduce landfill dependency and generate energy, the project has been stalled, delayed by health and environmental concerns, questions from the community.
01:45In this episode, we connect these stories.
01:49What lessons does Binalil teach us about the projects we trust to handle our waste?
01:55How do we balance urgent solutions with public safety, community, trust?
02:01And most importantly, how can city leadership ensure that history does not repeat itself?
02:09So to navigate these complex issues, joining us today is Councilor Joel Garganera, who chairs the City Council's Committee on Environment and has been actively involved in monitoring waste management in Cebu.
02:21Good afternoon once again, Councilor Joel.
02:25Good afternoon by DJ and all the listeners and viewers.
02:29And thank you for making time for this conversation because a lot of our viewers also consider this as urgent and you're a very busy leader considering everything that has been happening.
02:39But we're grateful that you really make time for this conversation.
02:44It's an honor.
02:44So the moment you heard, Councilor Joel, about what happened in Binalio on January 8th, what was your reaction?
02:54Well, I was, I guess I was hearing mass at the Basilica.
03:01And then when I heard about it, I was looking for my driver and go straight.
03:06And it turned out the traffic was really so heavy.
03:08That's why I arrived there almost around six, past six.
03:13And then I could see the magnitude of the land, of the dam site, no, that collapsed, no?
03:25And somehow I saw that material recovery facility that was around 2,700 square meters.
03:33And it was just trampled like a thin can there, no?
03:36So just how devastating the force that strike the said structure.
03:43So I was really like, I was overwhelmed and couldn't help also, but also think that just a few weeks ago, I was already reminding of the danger of such a structure.
03:56And previously, we have also interviewed Attorney Licks, and at the same time, no, not at the same time, but several episodes later, which was yesterday, or two days ago, I said yesterday.
04:09But anyway, we also interviewed Councilor Dave, no?
04:11Yes.
04:12And both of them really observed that even if Binalio, we call them as landfill, but in reality, Binalio is a dump site, no?
04:25Yes.
04:25So for the benefit of our viewers, but who are not equipped with a technical definition, but can you also tell them what's the difference between a dump site and a landfill, which how we call Binalio, no?
04:40Well, it's not just a landfill, it's a sanitary landfill.
04:44So a sanitary landfill is, of course, there are linens to be laid on the ground that is to catch, to harvest the lichet.
04:55And so far, when I first inspect that area, there were only two basketball-sized courts that are being dug, but I'm not so sure if they put out the linen on that mountainside where the garbage are now leaning.
05:13And, of course, fresh garbage has to be covered, has to be covered, and there will be also some pipes laid in the area that is also to allow them to breathe because it's so warm, no?
05:34Just the same facility.
05:35That's why they produce toxic gas.
05:37Yeah, methane gas, so you really need them to breathe, no?
05:42But looking at that dump site, it's not, no?
05:46And then from the mere drone photo or video that said dump site, I mean, it's not a landfill, it's really an open dump site.
05:57Correct.
05:58Yeah, because that's also the observations that were given.
06:01So you're the third person already who is also giving the technical definition of it being a dump site instead of a sanitary landfill.
06:11In fact, from my research, and correct me if I'm wrong, Inayawan was five stories of trash, and for Binalio, it looks like it's even worse because this is like 20 to 24 stories of trash.
06:26You're right.
06:27In fact, Inayawan used to be a sanitary landfill.
06:31It started around 1998, and the lifespan of which was only like eight years.
06:37It was supposed to end sometime in 2005, but somehow it goes beyond the lifespan, and it reached 2016, and that's why the height is up to five stories.
06:52Just imagine if we're not able to close that, that was 10 years ago.
06:55If Binalio was able to reach a 20 story, that could even be more.
07:00That could be another Payatas, so to speak.
07:03And for the benefit of our viewers also who probably missed the tragedy also that happened years ago in Payatas, can you walk them through also so that they would better see the risks in terms of having piles of trash that are left unattended?
07:19Yeah, Payatas is operated by the LGU of Quezon City, and the tragedy there is so huge, and then there were really informal settlers living along the area.
07:35The environmental compliance was not observed, and it's a tragedy bound to happen, and it happened, the disaster, and it caused more than 200 lives.
07:49And just recently, there was a ruling already from Supreme Court that the LGU of Quezon City is liable for the death of those.
07:58Just imagine, in Iowan, if we left it unattended, but still, it's still unattended right now because we were not able to rehabilitate for the last 10 years.
08:08So, as I said, it's also a disaster bound to happen.
08:11So, because I know also that you've been advocating against dump sites, and you were also among those who were not happy when Iowan moved to Binaliw, if we call it that way.
08:33So, based on your observations, who had the clear responsibility to stop Binaliw, considering the risk that was already piling up?
08:49Yeah, before that, you have to understand my frustrations.
08:53I moved heaven and earth to close a dam site in Iowan just to be answered by opening another dam site.
09:01Yes, of course, there are blood in the hands of the private company, which is Prime Waste in this particular matter.
09:12And these are responsible people.
09:16We have EMB, and they are also accountable for what transpired.
09:22And for a clear investigation, they have also to include the local government union because we also have our own responsibilities.
09:29So, whenever there will be really an investigation, we should also include the participation of the LGU.
09:42And there were also several statements that were given in the past, and that includes statements also coming from DNR and also Environmental Management Bureau, or EMB,
09:57claiming that it was an act of nature, because they cited natural factors like rain and movements during the earthquake that triggered the collapse.
10:13Do you think these are sufficient explanations?
10:16Yeah, I was surprised because last week we invited EMB, and it's just so unfortunate that the one who attended was the new EMB director.
10:28It should have been the previous EMB director because she was really at the helm when all of this happened.
10:35And, yeah, they repeat that act of God, like there's water, too much rain, of Tinong, and then there's the earthquake movement.
10:48Well, what can you expect?
10:49That's open.
10:50That's an open dam site.
10:51Those are part of the risks.
10:53Yeah, so it absorbs water, and of course, you know, the thing that landslides occur in a mountain, which is made of sand and stone or rocks, how much more a mountain made of waste.
11:07So, it's a no-brainer, of course.
11:10If it happened to a landscape, to a mountain, so more so, more so to a mountain made of garbage.
11:18So, what do you think should the safeguards that should have been in place, considering the decision to open Binalio and operate it like a dump site instead of a landfill,
11:33what do you think were the safeguards that should have been in place to prevent this, regardless of weather or earth movements?
11:41Yeah, actually, the EMB's role in issuing the environmental certificate of compliance doesn't stop there.
11:49There are lots of requisites that need to be complied.
11:55So, if only they oversee its operation, they monitor.
12:00And it turned out during our executive session last week, when I so-called interview, ask questions to the EMB director,
12:13and he said he doesn't have all the answers, but from the way I look at it, he's relying on whatever is the report relayed to them by primaries.
12:27So, somehow the…
12:28Instead of check and balance.
12:29Yes, yes, yes.
12:30And then, not only that, there were lots of issues, complaints raised by the community in the same manner also in the city council,
12:39which I delivered around two, three privileged speeches on that.
12:44And then, somehow, I was asking them, like, what was the result of all this complaint?
12:51From lichet, to odor, to garbage that are falling on the side?
12:57And can you give us the result of all of this investigation?
13:01If indeed, you conduct an investigation?
13:03And then, what penalties are being imposed, if any?
13:06They were not able to provide.
13:07Now, the other thing also is, let's talk about capacity.
13:12Because, in my view, that was also part of the factor that seemed to have been left unattended.
13:17Because, going back to Inaio one, it was five stories.
13:23This one reached 20 to even 24 stories.
13:27Were there conversations that you heard in the past that Binalio is reaching probably beyond its intended capacity, even before the collapse?
13:38Well, just last week, the EMB director told us that there was an amendment to the ECC from 2017.
13:49They amended it in 2020.
13:51And it states that the ECC is only up to 2025.
13:57So, that's five years.
13:58So, I was wondering why, you know, it's still operating beyond that year.
14:05So, most likely, you know, when they talk about technical aspects, like, you know, they are still capable of accommodating.
14:13Well, the result, the tragic incident speak for itself.
14:18And then, were there also conversations that you observed before and during the investigation?
14:26Because, yeah, I've also read that it's supposed to just last until 2025.
14:31On what should have been the warning signs?
14:34that it was about to expire.
14:38Okay, it's not supposed to be a surprise, no?
14:42There should have been some, in my opinion, safeguards and red flags along the way to alert, no?
14:48The city or the public that it's...
14:52When did it go to Kutubranig, 2025?
14:55And it's already, like, August 2025?
14:58Yeah, the...
15:00I'm just making up the August stuff.
15:01Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:02To me, I came to know about...
15:04I came to know about the...
15:072020 to 2025 during the course of the executive session.
15:13Before that, I really don't know.
15:15I really don't know.
15:15So, I think that was also a miss, no?
15:17Okay, we know that operating a landfill is complicated.
15:24So, the plan B would...
15:26Or if there should have been a plan B should have been discussed before 2025 ended, no?
15:31Yes, we don't have really a long-term, long-term answer.
15:38Or we never put infrastructures that really address to make it sustainable.
15:42And to me, well, we never learned our lesson.
15:47Ineo 1 exceeded its lifespan.
15:50And the same issue here, no?
15:52Because it's supposed to be operated as a landfill, but they operate it as an open dam site.
15:57So, in other words, when you operate as a sanitary landfill, you have to introduce a lot of things that cost money.
16:07But somehow, in this particular case, it's more on profit, just to make it easy for them.
16:13So, when you talk about a landfill or an open dam site, it's the full of Utah.
16:18So, it should be on a...
16:20I don't know what the heights, the ceiling of a particular dam site.
16:27But somehow, they want it to reach to heaven, no?
16:31Just to really maximize, perhaps, their profit.
16:35And the sad thing about it, correct me if I'm wrong, because the open dam site,
16:41now I think it's clear that it's not a landfill, no?
16:44But an open dam site, is in itself a violation of Republic Act 9003, no?
16:49Okay, bawal magiging supposedly dump sites.
16:53Precisely. And this, we have been operating this right before EMB's eyes and also the local government of Cebu's eyes, no?
17:01So, I mean, to me, to me, you know, I was responsible for closing the previous one.
17:07And somehow, I just want EMB not to be remiss of their job, their duties.
17:13And somehow, the city also, the city.
17:17If there's an investigation, we have also to be included, no?
17:21What were our roles and then did we somehow also being remiss of also of our duties as a local government unit?
17:30Because when it happened, when it happened, although, you know, all operations were stopped,
17:35but it took, like, four days for EMB to issue a cease and cease order.
17:43Which they should have even issued before the incident.
17:46Or even the LGU for that matter.
17:49Yeah. So, I'm moving towards that part, no?
17:52Because it appeared to me, and this is just my observation,
17:56that the city was relying, no, on EMB to act, no?
18:03But do you think the city also should have, and this is before and after,
18:08should have acted independently, no?
18:11Using their judgment to protect, also, the residents.
18:17Yeah. There were red flags already being raised.
18:23In fact, I also was able to pass a resolution.
18:27There are a lot of earth movements within, around, around the Binalio landfill.
18:35And I asked the office of the mayor to issue a cease and cease order.
18:40There were three of them.
18:42And, in fact, just today, you could see that a lot of questions being raised,
18:48that they are still operating, no?
18:50So, somehow, what was being issued has never been complied.
18:55So, this ad, also, like, I think the city should answer, also, for that.
19:03How much more on the series of complaints being raised by the community,
19:08by social media, and from the city council.
19:11So, well, again, moving forward, moving forward, yeah, I choose to leave that behind,
19:20but that should be answered, because how can we learn if we, you know,
19:25to stumble on the same stone twice is a proverbial disgrace.
19:28We already stumbled in Inayawan, again, in Binalio.
19:31And then, looks like, also, the solutions, even temporary, they also sound like landfills, no?
19:38So, Aluginsan is, potentially, is also a landfill, hopefully,
19:43and it will not evolve into a dump site.
19:45Polog in Consolacion also sounds like a landfill,
19:49which, hopefully, will not also become a dump site, no?
19:53They're all dump sites, Lamont.
19:55Let's face it.
19:56Let's face it.
19:57They're all dump sites.
19:58So, in cases like Binalio, for example,
20:02do you really think the city government could have recommended
20:08or even enforced suspension or call for immediate action,
20:13considering that the five-year permit was about to lapse,
20:22and considering also the feedback, no, that has been repeatedly raised, no,
20:28specific to Binalio?
20:30Well, in regards to the five-year that lapsed,
20:33I came to know about that information just recently,
20:36just, I think, last week when we invited the EMB director.
20:40And good thing they also admitted that, no?
20:43Well, I don't know.
20:47I don't know.
20:49I don't, well, perhaps that could be a secret on their part,
20:53but they were able to divulge it, no?
20:55So, I really don't know about the five-year that lapsed.
20:58But I must say about the series of red flags that being raised.
21:02Because the city would have...
21:04Yeah.
21:05Well, the mayor said, even before he assumed,
21:08in fact, he was there present last week when he said that,
21:13that was in June 7 when he said that,
21:15I will not hesitate to close
21:17if there are any violations being made, no?
21:21But then again, when last week he said,
21:23yes, I can close, but where do we throw our garbage?
21:27Yeah, the question is,
21:27why did you announce that you are willing to close?
21:30And then, you know, you know the result
21:33because, you know, we don't have any other alternative.
21:38So, is it fair to say then
21:40that everybody knew that the landfill or the dub site
21:46was indeed risky,
21:49but nobody was just comfortable pulling the plug
21:56because there was no alternative at that time?
22:00Well, the mayor said it last week.
22:01The mayor said it.
22:03Me, for one, I pulled the plug in Inayawan.
22:06Oh, yeah.
22:06Yeah, I was...
22:08That was a very lonely battle.
22:11I pulled the plug.
22:12And right now with Binalio,
22:15since that is a privately run company,
22:19EMB,
22:20or the LGU for that matter,
22:22could have done something.
22:23But anyway, it happened.
22:25So, if the public would ask the question
22:28on who failed us,
22:30in your honest opinion,
22:32what do you think should be the answer?
22:34I would say we failed the public.
22:36You know, I'm not...
22:38First and foremost,
22:39the cost of death was garbage.
22:42And if you look at it,
22:44this garbage came from all of us.
22:47And it was just piled there.
22:50And that's why when it created a trash light,
22:56so it caused the death of the 36.
22:58So, we failed ourselves.
23:01We failed the public.
23:03And yeah.
23:04And will...
23:05I don't know.
23:07Will the local government unit of Cebu
23:10or the city council,
23:12will you also pursue accountability
23:16in case there will be a proven negligence?
23:20Yeah.
23:21That's the reason why we...
23:23That's the reason why we try to
23:26invite all the stakeholders
23:29to get some answers.
23:31Because really,
23:32we want to know
23:32what really happened.
23:34Now,
23:35ganyang mga naging mamatay sa CCMC,
23:37mo imbestigar maganita,
23:39na inabulasot din sa market,
23:41mo imbestigar maganita.
23:43How much more if it cost 36 lives?
23:46When we investigate,
23:47it doesn't mean that we judge them.
23:49We just want to solicit information
23:51what might be the real cause of the incident.
23:55And it could perhaps also help
23:57any investigative body,
23:59whatever we encountered,
24:02whatever we found out,
24:04that it could also help in their investigation.
24:06Well, NBI already said
24:07that they're going to investigate
24:08about the criminal liability
24:10of those involved.
24:11and also EMB.
24:14Perhaps they are also giving
24:15a 90-day period
24:17on the part of the prime waste
24:19to make,
24:20you know,
24:21some actions
24:22that they're being required
24:23to comply.
24:25So,
24:25we'll wait.
24:27Attorney Lix actually made
24:28a very solid case
24:30in favor of waste
24:32to energy.
24:33On our personal view,
24:34it was even an education for me
24:36and hopefully
24:37to our viewers.
24:39Do you think
24:40the city
24:41or even,
24:43I was very open
24:44the province,
24:44but the city.
24:45Do you think
24:46the city
24:46really has the luxury
24:49not to pursue
24:51alternative solutions
24:53as a long-term solution
24:55to our trash problem
24:57other than waste to energy?
24:58Well,
25:01waste to energy
25:02I've been advocating
25:03because to me
25:05in my experience
25:06in all of my visits
25:07and in fact
25:07just recently
25:08in Yokohama
25:09I came to realize
25:12that,
25:12you know,
25:13we are on the same boat
25:15as Yokohama
25:1640 years ago.
25:17So,
25:17there's been a lot
25:18also of pressure
25:20against WTE
25:22but then again
25:23as early as 1984
25:26they have WTE already
25:28but it doesn't mean
25:29to have exclusive
25:30because at that time
25:31but they really
25:35work hard
25:36on the segregation,
25:37recycling,
25:38and the reduction
25:39of waste
25:39and that explained
25:40from 7 WTE
25:42in Yokohama
25:43it's now reduced
25:44to 4.
25:45So,
25:46the mayor right now
25:47is on the right track
25:48of segregating,
25:51of recycling
25:52and of course
25:54reduction
25:54especially
25:55to large
25:57commercial
25:59establishment
26:00but to me
26:02the mayor
26:05should have
26:05should be transparent
26:09on what course
26:11of sustainable
26:13facility
26:15that we are going
26:17to have
26:18in the city.
26:19as it is right now
26:21everything is temporary
26:22when we dump
26:23wherever that
26:24facility is
26:25it's all temporary.
26:27It's all temporary.
26:28And it's also
26:29history that's
26:30bound to repeat
26:31if we still keep
26:32on talking about
26:33landfill
26:34slash dump sites.
26:35Yeah,
26:36of course
26:36Pulog
26:38will be overwhelmed
26:39or even
26:41whatever
26:43facility is available
26:44that will be
26:45overwhelmed
26:46because we don't
26:46have the luxury
26:47of land.
26:48It's like Utah.
26:50Especially
26:50Cebu City
26:51and then
26:52my answer
26:52to this
26:53that just shows
26:57we have
26:57very limited
26:58land.
27:00So,
27:01we need
27:01something
27:01other
27:03successful countries
27:04have been doing
27:05for 3-4
27:06decades.
27:07So,
27:08that is something
27:09that we really
27:09need to educate
27:10our public
27:11and then
27:12somehow
27:13the mayor
27:14also
27:14the mayor
27:15also should
27:16perhaps
27:16understand
27:17what this
27:18really
27:18I know
27:19for a fact
27:19it's just
27:22very unfortunate
27:22on my part
27:23when we
27:24I was advocating
27:25for this
27:26for how many
27:27months already
27:27for how many
27:28years already
27:29and it turned
27:30out the mayor
27:31was very much
27:31against this.
27:32So,
27:33it's throwing
27:33good money
27:34over bad
27:34on the part
27:35of New Sky
27:36which is the
27:36private proponent
27:37for the
27:37waste to energy
27:38facility.
27:39So,
27:39right now
27:40they're not
27:40coming back
27:41anymore.
27:41They're not
27:42coming back
27:42and I just
27:43want the mayor
27:44to
27:44help
27:46to make
27:47us understand
27:48how we
27:49navigate
27:49this
27:49because
27:50one thing
27:50for sure
27:50yes
27:51reduction
27:52you go on
27:53shredding
27:54and everything
27:55recycling
27:55segregation
27:56that helps
27:57but you have
27:58to deal
27:58600 to
27:59650 tons
28:00a day
28:01and somehow
28:02if we are
28:03not going
28:03to put that
28:04in a proper
28:05facility
28:05sustainable
28:06one
28:07manimahod
28:08manimahod
28:08yeah
28:08manimahod
28:09history
28:10that's
28:10bound
28:10to
28:10repeat
28:11yes
28:11I
28:12captured
28:12in your
28:13statement
28:13earlier
28:14when you
28:14said
28:15that
28:15on your
28:15observation
28:16in Yokohama
28:17the number
28:18of waste
28:18to energy
28:19facilities
28:21over time
28:22in fact
28:23decreased
28:23instead
28:24of increase
28:26what happened
28:26also
28:27in your
28:28observation
28:28the behavior
28:29also
28:30of the
28:30citizens
28:31with respect
28:32to trash
28:33yeah
28:33we were
28:36shown
28:36a really
28:37narrative
28:38of all
28:38of this
28:39they were
28:40really very
28:41serious
28:41towards the
28:43end of
28:44the 1900
28:44going to
28:462000
28:462000
28:47they were
28:47really very
28:48serious
28:48and
28:49it took
28:51a while
28:51it took
28:51a while
28:52because
28:52before
28:53they used
28:53Yokohama
28:54alone
28:55used to
28:55produce
28:564380
28:58tons
28:59of garbage
29:00a day
29:00but right
29:00now
29:01there's
29:03a change
29:06in behavior
29:06there's
29:07really a
29:07change
29:07in behavior
29:08there's
29:08really a
29:09change
29:09well
29:10Japan
29:10lead
29:10when it
29:11comes to
29:11that
29:12about
29:12waste
29:13about
29:14cleanliness
29:15and the
29:17change
29:17didn't
29:18happen
29:18overnight
29:19it took
29:20them
29:20decades
29:21so
29:23what
29:23I'm
29:23trying
29:23to
29:24say
29:24here
29:24is
29:25yes
29:25the
29:25mayor
29:26is
29:26right
29:26and
29:27we
29:27strike
29:27the
29:28iron
29:28where
29:28it's
29:28still
29:28hot
29:29we have
29:31to do
29:31something
29:32this is
29:33a
29:33collective
29:35responsibility
29:36this is
29:36not
29:36a job
29:38of the
29:38government
29:38this is
29:39not
29:39a job
29:40of the
29:40private
29:40sector
29:41but
29:41somehow
29:42we have
29:42to work
29:43and
29:43do our
29:44part
29:44which is
29:45of course
29:45segregation
29:46at source
29:47but then
29:47again
29:47yes
29:48as we
29:49campaign
29:49for that
29:50all
29:51types
29:52of
29:53initiatives
29:53welcome
29:54but
29:55we have
29:55to
29:55face
29:56reality
29:57600
29:59to
29:59650
30:00tons
30:01is
30:01no
30:01joke
30:02and
30:02if
30:02we
30:02put
30:03in
30:03mandawe
30:03and
30:04lapu
30:04lapu
30:04city
30:04that's
30:05a
30:05thousand
30:05more
30:06than
30:06a
30:06thousand
30:06more
30:06than
30:07a
30:07thousand
30:07because
30:08you
30:08mentioned
30:09the
30:10facility
30:10that was
30:11supposed
30:11to be
30:12in
30:12partnership
30:12with
30:13news
30:13sky
30:13so
30:14correct
30:15me
30:15if
30:15I'm
30:15wrong
30:15this
30:16was
30:16the
30:16facility
30:17supposedly
30:17that's
30:19going
30:19to be
30:19started
30:20in
30:20Guba
30:20yes
30:21so
30:21can
30:21you
30:21tell
30:22us
30:22also
30:22what
30:23happened
30:23to
30:23that
30:24project
30:25well
30:25originally
30:26the
30:27site
30:29of
30:30the
30:30waste
30:31to
30:32energy
30:32facility
30:32diha
30:33ibutang
30:33nato
30:33sa
30:33inayawan
30:34no
30:35namay
30:35space
30:36dito
30:36but
30:36it
30:37turned
30:37out
30:38that
30:38was
30:38the
30:38joint
30:39venture
30:39agreement
30:39between
30:40the
30:40city
30:40and
30:40news
30:40sky
30:40but
30:40it
30:41turned
30:41out
30:41dili
30:41naman
30:42kita
30:42itag
30:42iha
30:42sa
30:43Utah
30:43so
30:44the
30:45private
30:46proponent
30:46wala
30:47makkahuhat
30:47niya
30:47ng
30:48napita
30:48because
30:48if
30:49they
30:49have
30:49to
30:49wait
30:49for
30:50that
30:50will
30:52take
30:53forever
30:53so
30:53just
30:54to
30:54show
30:55how
30:55serious
30:55they
30:55are
30:56they
30:56bought
30:56a
30:56property
30:57and
30:57buying
30:58a
30:58property
30:59like
30:59six
30:59seven
31:00hectares
31:00in
31:00the
31:00city
31:01of
31:01Cebu
31:01is
31:01no
31:01joke
31:01listen
31:02kayo
31:03so
31:03they
31:04found
31:04a
31:05property
31:05medio
31:05flat
31:06although
31:06naasa
31:07upland
31:07but
31:08then
31:08again
31:08lagyo
31:09o
31:10mga
31:10silingan
31:10like
31:11kilometer
31:11away
31:12and
31:12of
31:13course
31:13they
31:13have
31:13to
31:13make
31:13another
31:14road
31:14so
31:15this
31:15was
31:15in
31:15Guba
31:15this
31:16was
31:16in
31:16Guba
31:16and
31:17of
31:17course
31:17we
31:18conduct
31:18a
31:19series
31:20of
31:20public
31:20hearing
31:21I
31:21brought
31:21in
31:22the
31:23experts
31:23from
31:24the
31:24OST
31:24from
31:25Department
31:26of
31:26Energy
31:26from
31:27Department
31:27of
31:27Health
31:28from
31:29Department
31:30of
31:30Agriculture
31:31from
31:31Department
31:32of
31:32DNR
31:34and
31:34also
31:35the
31:35ALG
31:35but
31:36then
31:36again
31:36you
31:38cannot
31:38also
31:38blame
31:39people
31:39in
31:39Guba
31:39because
31:40when
31:40government
31:41talks
31:42they
31:42always
31:43mirror
31:43like
31:43what
31:43happened
31:44to
31:44Binalio
31:44before
31:46it
31:47started
31:47there
31:47were
31:47a
31:48lot
31:48of
31:48flowery
31:49messages
31:51their
31:52slogan
31:52that
31:52is
31:52going
31:53to
31:53be
31:53safe
31:53it's
31:53going
31:54to
31:54be
31:54this
31:54and
31:55that
31:55but
31:55it
31:55turned
31:55out
31:56it
31:56was
31:56a
31:57mess
31:57so
31:58you
31:58cannot
31:58also
31:58blame
31:58people
31:59there
31:59but
32:00then
32:00again
32:00what
32:00really
32:01aggravates
32:02is
32:02I
32:03saw
32:04the
32:05footprint
32:05of
32:05the
32:05mayor
32:06there
32:06because
32:06people
32:08under
32:08the
32:08mayor's
32:09office
32:09were
32:09there
32:09very
32:10visible
32:10campaigning
32:11against
32:11it
32:11so
32:12on
32:13the
32:13part
32:13also
32:13of
32:14the
32:14private
32:14proponent
32:14public
32:16hearing
32:17how much
32:18more
32:18if we
32:18will
32:18ask
32:19for
32:19the
32:19different
32:19permits
32:20of
32:20the
32:20city
32:21like
32:21conversion
32:21so
32:22they
32:22will
32:22be
32:23given
32:23a
32:23hard
32:23time
32:24because
32:24the
32:24mayor's
32:24stand
32:25was
32:25really
32:25against
32:26it
32:26so
32:26give up
32:27so
32:28they
32:29have
32:29already
32:29given
32:30up
32:30so
32:31had
32:33the
32:33project
32:34push
32:35through
32:35when
32:36would
32:36have
32:37been
32:37the
32:37start
32:38of
32:38operation
32:38of
32:39this
32:39WTE
32:40facility
32:42well
32:42it
32:43will
32:43take
32:44at
32:44least
32:44two
32:44years
32:45for
32:46the
32:46construction
32:47two
32:48to
32:48three
32:48years
32:48so
32:48it's
32:49not
32:49easy
32:49to
32:50put
32:51up
32:51a
32:515
32:51billion
32:51project
32:52and
32:53these
32:53are
32:53more
32:54or less
32:54mga
32:54makinanes
32:55so
32:56it
32:58will
32:58take
32:58after
32:59all
32:59the
32:59permitting
33:00and
33:01mind
33:01you
33:01this
33:02was
33:03the
33:03first
33:03large
33:04scale
33:04waste
33:05to
33:05energy
33:05applicant
33:06the
33:07entire
33:08nation
33:08people
33:08were
33:09looking
33:09at
33:10us
33:10but
33:10somehow
33:11so
33:12difficult
33:12so
33:13difficult
33:13so
33:14at
33:14least
33:14by
33:14what
33:15year
33:15I'm
33:16just
33:16looking
33:17at
33:17what
33:18could
33:18have
33:18been
33:19the
33:19long
33:19term
33:19solution
33:20that's
33:20available
33:21by
33:222028
33:23well
33:25not
33:25not
33:26bad
33:26because
33:27compared
33:27to
33:28nothing
33:29today
33:29at
33:32least
33:32in my
33:32view
33:32that
33:33sounds
33:34way
33:34better
33:35just
33:35imagine
33:36when you
33:36talk
33:36about
33:36traffic
33:37of
33:37course
33:37when they
33:39go
33:39when they
33:40navigate
33:41the
33:41mountain
33:42of
33:43trash
33:43you
33:44have
33:44you
33:44know
33:44that's
33:45very
33:45dangerous
33:45it's
33:46soft
33:46and they
33:47have
33:47to go
33:48to
33:48the
33:48top
33:48unlike
33:49in a
33:50waste
33:51to
33:51energy
33:51facility
33:51they
33:52will
33:52just
33:52go
33:52inside
33:52there
33:53are
33:53a lot
33:53of
33:53beach
33:53that
33:53just
33:54dump
33:54their
33:54garbage
33:55wala
33:55yung
33:55mga
33:55was
33:56nga
33:56baho
33:56musud
33:57mga
33:57was
33:58so
33:58dili
33:59daghan
34:01nga
34:01kong
34:01nakitang
34:01waste
34:02to
34:02energy
34:02facility
34:03in
34:03Hawaii
34:04in
34:04Taipei
34:05in
34:05Korea
34:06in
34:06Bangkok
34:07in
34:08Singapore
34:09and
34:09in
34:10Japan
34:10wala
34:11yung
34:11traffic
34:11dali
34:12radyo
34:12kayo
34:12and
34:13then
34:13the
34:14land
34:14will
34:14not
34:14will
34:16not
34:16you
34:17know
34:17increase
34:18dili
34:18mo
34:19expand
34:19dili
34:19mo
34:20expand
34:20because
34:20maurag
34:21yun
34:21na
34:21siya
34:21unlike
34:22in
34:22a
34:22landfill
34:23ang ilang
34:23puhunan
34:24is
34:24yuta
34:25so
34:25that's
34:26why
34:26right
34:27now
34:27I'm
34:27trying
34:28to
34:28investigate
34:29all
34:29those
34:30earth
34:30movements
34:31which
34:31been
34:32wapagyapun
34:33nagpadayon
34:34surrounding
34:35the
34:35binalio
34:36landfill
34:36I'm
34:37very
34:38positive
34:39that
34:40these
34:40are
34:40expansion
34:41although
34:41they are
34:42not
34:42owned
34:42by
34:43prime
34:44but
34:44somehow
34:45who is
34:45in
34:46his
34:46right
34:46mind
34:46to
34:47expand
34:48a
34:49subdivision
34:49beside
34:50an
34:51open
34:51dam
34:52site
34:52so
34:54the
34:54other
34:55thing
34:55also
34:55is
34:56what
34:56would
34:56have
34:56been
34:57so
34:57this
34:57would
34:58have
34:58been
34:582028
34:59and
34:59what
35:00would
35:00have
35:00been
35:00the
35:00capacity
35:01of
35:02this
35:02waste
35:03to
35:03energy
35:04facility
35:04well
35:05this
35:05waste
35:06to
35:06energy
35:06facility
35:06was
35:07only
35:07800
35:07tons
35:08and
35:08that
35:09is
35:09capable
35:10of
35:10producing
35:10around
35:1118
35:11megawatts
35:12enough
35:12to
35:13light
35:14like
35:1420,000
35:15household
35:16we
35:19are
35:19not
35:19generating
35:20power
35:22we
35:24have
35:24none
35:24in fact
35:25the
35:25entire
35:25island
35:26of
35:26Cebu
35:26during
35:27peak
35:28we
35:28have
35:28around
35:281200
35:29something
35:30megawatts
35:31but
35:32our
35:32capacity
35:33is
35:33only
35:33like
35:341100
35:35something
35:35so
35:36we
35:36really
35:36lack
35:37power
35:38and
35:39by
35:39that
35:39alone
35:40somehow
35:40renewable
35:42because
35:43waste
35:44to
35:44energy
35:44facility
35:45in
35:45Honolulu
35:46or
35:46wherever
35:46they
35:47are
35:47considered
35:47renewable
35:48energy
35:48and
35:49in
35:49my
35:50opinion
35:50that
35:51even
35:51if
35:52the
35:52capacity
35:53is
35:53800
35:53versus
35:541000
35:55but
35:56at
35:56least
35:56it's
35:56no
35:57longer
35:57100%
35:58landfill
35:59if
35:59ever
35:59yeah
36:00well
36:02canisiyang
36:03waste
36:04to
36:04energy
36:04we
36:04only
36:05producing
36:05600
36:06city
36:07of
36:07Cebu
36:08if
36:08we
36:09perhaps
36:10allow
36:10others
36:11to
36:11if
36:13we
36:13allow
36:13like
36:13we
36:14only
36:14be
36:14limited
36:15to
36:15200
36:15because
36:16the
36:16capacity
36:16is
36:17800
36:18so
36:18we
36:19cannot
36:19so
36:19they
36:19have
36:20to
36:20find
36:20their
36:21own
36:21alternative
36:22but
36:22at
36:22least
36:22the
36:23CP
36:23is
36:23helping
36:23them
36:24yes
36:24at
36:24least
36:24not
36:25a
36:25cashier
36:25200
36:26for
36:27them
36:27and
36:28then
36:28because
36:29I
36:29remember
36:30and
36:31you
36:31mentioned
36:32it
36:32in
36:33passing
36:33earlier
36:34I
36:34heard
36:35also
36:35few
36:36months
36:36ago
36:37that
36:37there
36:37was
36:38a
36:38strike
36:38also
36:39in
36:40Guba
36:40because
36:40they
36:41said
36:42that
36:42they
36:43were
36:43not
36:43consulted
36:44enough
36:45what's
36:47your
36:47thoughts
36:48also
36:48about
36:49that
36:49because
36:52I think
36:52this is
36:52a good
36:53time
36:53to
36:53clarify
36:53it
36:54we
36:54just
36:54started
36:55our
36:55public
36:57hearing
36:58and
36:59in fact
36:59it's
37:01just
37:01that
37:01people
37:03were
37:06afraid
37:06that
37:07they
37:07will
37:07not
37:07be
37:07properly
37:08consulted
37:08and
37:09I
37:09was
37:09very
37:10clear
37:10even
37:11during
37:11the
37:12first
37:12public
37:12hearing
37:13that
37:13I
37:13said
37:13if
37:13I
37:14don't
37:16go
37:17back
37:18to
37:18the
37:18day
37:18but
37:19at
37:19the
37:19end
37:19of
37:19the
37:19day
37:20you
37:20will
37:20be
37:20to
37:20get
37:21and
37:22I
37:22keep
37:22that
37:23I
37:23keep
37:23that
37:23promise
37:24why
37:25do
37:25you
37:25have
37:25to
37:26force
37:26the
37:26issue
37:26why
37:27do
37:27you
37:27have
37:27to
37:27force
37:27the
37:28issue
37:28if
37:28they
37:29are
37:29not
37:29into
37:30it
37:30I
37:30have
37:30to
37:31respect
37:31also
37:31but
37:32you
37:33know
37:33they
37:33have
37:33also
37:33to
37:33understand
37:34I'm
37:34advocating
37:35this
37:35because
37:35I'm
37:36looking
37:36at
37:36it
37:36on
37:37the
37:37entire
37:38city
37:38what
37:38will
37:38be
37:39the
37:39sustainable
37:39solution
37:41to
37:41this
37:41and
37:41now
37:41it
37:42happened
37:42like
37:43we're
37:43on a
37:43garbage
37:44crisis
37:44but
37:45I'm
37:45not
37:45saying
37:45that
37:45they
37:45have
37:46to
37:46they
37:47have
37:47to
37:48have
37:48to
37:48have
37:49to
37:49have
37:49to
37:50have
37:51to
37:52have
37:53to
37:54that
37:54context
37:55also
37:56counselor
37:56what
37:57would
37:57have
37:57been
37:58your
37:59assurance
38:00to
38:00them
38:01that
38:02what
38:02happened
38:02in
38:03Binalio
38:03will
38:04not
38:04happen
38:05in
38:05Guba
38:06you
38:07know
38:07this
38:09and
38:09this
38:09is
38:09in
38:10the
38:10context
38:10of
38:10assurances
38:11yes
38:11of
38:12course
38:12when
38:13we
38:13say
38:14when
38:15we
38:15say
38:15assurance
38:16of
38:16course
38:16we
38:17have
38:17to
38:17be
38:17we
38:18have
38:18to
38:18be
38:19mindful
38:19about
38:19the
38:20capacity
38:20of
38:21the
38:21private
38:21proponent
38:22you
38:22know
38:22this
38:22private
38:23proponent
38:23the
38:24WT
38:25all
38:25over
38:26the
38:26world
38:26in
38:27China
38:27in
38:28Bangkok
38:28anywhere
38:29so
38:30they
38:30have
38:30a
38:30name
38:30to
38:30protect
38:31and
38:31of
38:32course
38:32which
38:34is
38:34also
38:35I
38:35cannot
38:35blame
38:35them
38:35ah
38:36Pinoy
38:37na
38:37sa
38:37magpadagan
38:38Pinoy
38:38na
38:38sa
38:38magmonitor
38:39wag
38:40ito
38:40daging
38:40oto
38:41mawagi
38:42hapon
38:42baho
38:43mo
38:44fail
38:44po
38:44na
38:44especially
38:45on
38:45the
38:45capacity
38:45yeah
38:46but
38:46these
38:47are
38:47run
38:47by
38:48foreigners
38:49these
38:50are
38:50run
38:50by
38:50foreigners
38:50though
38:51they
38:51comprise
38:52like
38:5210%
38:53of
38:53the
38:54workforce
38:54but
38:55of
38:55course
38:55they
38:56will
38:56not
38:57do
38:58anything
38:58dili
39:00na
39:00mo
39:00succeed
39:01they
39:01have
39:01to
39:02be
39:02at
39:02par
39:03with
39:03all
39:03other
39:04WTEs
39:05nila
39:05diha
39:05they
39:06cannot
39:06afford
39:07they
39:07cannot
39:07afford
39:08diha
39:09ilahama
39:10ng
39:10ilahama
39:11ng
39:11pukunan
39:12so
39:12they
39:13cannot
39:13afford
39:14dili
39:15dili
39:15sila
39:16in
39:16compliant
39:18with
39:18all
39:18the
39:18environmental
39:19requirements
39:20the
39:21other
39:22thing
39:22also
39:22is
39:23I've
39:23read
39:23that
39:24the
39:25main
39:26opposition
39:27of
39:27WTE
39:28in
39:28general
39:29now
39:29not
39:29just
39:29in
39:29Cebu
39:30but
39:30in
39:30the
39:30Philippines
39:30it
39:31was
39:32based
39:32on
39:33a
39:33Republic
39:33Act
39:33that
39:34was
39:34also
39:34done
39:35in
39:352001
39:36so
39:37which
39:38the
39:39critics
39:40of
39:40the
39:40opposition
39:41so
39:41the
39:41proponent
39:41of
39:42WTE
39:43would
39:43normally
39:43say
39:44that
39:44the
39:44conditions
39:45of
39:46incineration
39:46in
39:472001
39:47is
39:48very
39:49different
39:50already
39:50with the
39:51technology
39:51that we
39:51have
39:52in
39:522025
39:53can
39:53you
39:53articulate
39:53more
39:54about
39:54that
39:54yeah
39:55what
39:56was
39:56being
39:56not
39:59allowed
40:00incineration
40:01per se
40:02but
40:03right now
40:03we're
40:03dealing
40:03with
40:04technology
40:04that's
40:05why
40:05DOSD
40:06Department
40:07of Science
40:07and
40:07Technology
40:08went
40:08to that
40:09same
40:09facility
40:10in
40:10Bangkok
40:11and
40:11conducted
40:12their
40:12own
40:13environmental
40:14technology
40:15ETV
40:17verification
40:18and
40:19somehow
40:19it
40:20passed
40:20we
40:21talk
40:21about
40:22emission
40:22so
40:23I'm not
40:25so
40:25technical
40:25about
40:25it
40:26certain
40:27emission
40:29allowable
40:30and
40:32they
40:32pass
40:33that's
40:33safe
40:34even
40:34it's
40:35safe
40:36even
40:36it's
40:36safe
40:37but
40:37it's
40:38safe
40:48because
40:48DOSD
40:49conducted
40:50study
40:50and
40:50what
40:51is
40:51to me
40:51the
40:52most
40:52important
40:52they
40:52were
40:52able
40:53to
40:53reduce
40:53the
40:53volume
40:54of
40:55the
40:56garbage
40:56by
40:5791%
40:59and
41:00added
41:01value
41:02that
41:02produced
41:03energy
41:05out of
41:05the
41:06garbage
41:06and
41:06and
41:07in fact
41:07some
41:07and
41:08correct
41:08me
41:08if I'm
41:08wrong
41:08some
41:09of
41:09the
41:09WTEs
41:10would
41:11encourage
41:12the
41:12behavior
41:13of
41:13segregation
41:13yeah
41:14exclusive
41:15it should
41:17be at
41:17par
41:17the more
41:19we
41:19segregate
41:21and
41:22that's
41:22that's
41:22what
41:23also
41:23the
41:23narratives
41:24of
41:25all
41:25successful
41:26WTE
41:27cities
41:27talk about
41:28Singapore
41:29about
41:29Tokyo
41:30you talk
41:30about
41:30Seoul
41:31you talk
41:31about
41:31Bangkok
41:32in fact
41:34the
41:35city
41:35that I
41:35just
41:36visited
41:36earlier
41:37which is
41:37Yokohama
41:38there's
41:38a lot of
41:39segregation
41:40at
41:41source
41:42a lot
41:43reduction
41:44so
41:44as I
41:45said
41:45earlier
41:45from
41:464,390
41:48now
41:48it's
41:49reduced
41:49to less
41:49than
41:493,000
41:50that is
41:51of course
41:52the result
41:52of
41:53their
41:53really
41:54serious
41:55in
41:56this
41:57aspect
41:57of
41:58segregation
41:58recycling
41:59and
41:59reduction
41:59and
42:00I'm
42:01glad
42:01at least
42:01that
42:02from my
42:02readings
42:03the
42:03local
42:04government
42:04of
42:05Cebu
42:05City
42:05is
42:05now
42:06open
42:06towards
42:07waste
42:08to
42:08energy
42:09is
42:09my
42:10impression
42:11correct
42:12at least
42:13in your
42:14view
42:14yeah
42:17I hope
42:18so
42:18he has
42:19to
42:20navigate
42:20us
42:20because
42:21everything
42:22that has
42:22been
42:22happening
42:22they're
42:24all
42:24temporary
42:24dumping
42:26our
42:26garbage
42:27in
42:27this
42:27area
42:27these
42:28are
42:28all
42:29temporary
42:29now
42:30we
42:30are
42:30looking
42:30at
42:30the
42:31long
42:31term
42:31well
42:33the
42:33short
42:33term
42:33is
42:34we
42:34should
42:34start
42:34planning
42:35now
42:35if
42:38there
42:39technology
42:39I leave
42:39that to
42:40the
42:40mayor
42:40what
42:41kind
42:41of
42:41technology
42:42is
42:42it
42:42visible
42:43here
42:43we have
42:44to do
42:44that
42:44now
42:45we have
42:46we have
42:46we have
42:47to
42:47talk to
42:49the
42:49mayor
42:51and
42:52talk to
42:53the
42:54different
42:54LGU
42:55executives
42:56talk to
42:56the
42:57mayors
42:57because
42:57it's not
42:58just a
42:59mere
42:59transporting
43:00for them
43:01to
43:01accommodate
43:02our
43:02garbage
43:02because
43:02in one
43:03way or
43:03another
43:03we should
43:06talk to
43:07them
43:08we should
43:08talk to
43:08them
43:09can
43:09talk to
43:10the
43:11idea
43:12if
43:15we can
43:15let's
43:16say
43:16half
43:16and
43:17then
43:18right
43:18now
43:19Toledo
43:19is
43:20opening
43:20if
43:20we can
43:21get
43:21some
43:21there
43:22send
43:22some
43:23there
43:23or
43:23not
43:24the
43:26whole
43:26thing
43:26not
43:26the
43:27whole
43:27thing
43:27because
43:27if
43:28it
43:28happened
43:28to
43:28Binali
43:29it
43:29could
43:29happen
43:29somewhere
43:30else
43:30so
43:31we
43:31spread
43:33we
43:34spread
43:34I don't
43:35really
43:35overwhelm
43:37the
43:37community
43:38as well
43:38as
43:39the
43:39facility
43:39that
43:40our
43:40business
43:41of
43:41our
43:41I've
43:42said
43:43it
43:43in
43:43the
43:43past
43:44episodes
43:45but
43:45I'm
43:45the
43:45kind
43:46of
43:46person
43:47at
43:48least
43:48when
43:48I
43:48do
43:48my
43:48job
43:49in
43:49the
43:49private
43:49sector
43:50is
43:50if
43:50somebody
43:51opposes
43:51an
43:52idea
43:53the
43:54person
43:54will
43:54need
43:55to
43:55have
43:55something
43:56to
43:56come
43:57up
43:57with
43:57something
43:57that's
43:58better
43:58than
43:58the
43:59idea
43:59that
44:00the
44:00person
44:00is
44:00opposing
44:01yeah
44:02so
44:02in
44:03that
44:03context
44:03if
44:04it's
44:04not
44:04landfill
44:05slash
44:06dump
44:06site
44:06and
44:07not
44:08waste
44:08to
44:08energy
44:09do
44:10you
44:10really
44:10think
44:10there
44:11are
44:11still
44:11other
44:11options
44:12that
44:12are
44:12better
44:13than
44:13these
44:14well
44:15the
44:15the
44:16getting
44:17you
44:17mine
44:17well
44:18because
44:19we
44:19cannot
44:20just
44:20say
44:20no
44:20to
44:20something
44:21and
44:21we
44:21don't
44:21have
44:21anything
44:22to
44:22offer
44:22in
44:23ideal
44:23world
44:23zero
44:25waste
44:26you
44:27know
44:27100%
44:28recycle
44:29but
44:30there's
44:31only
44:31one
44:32community
44:33in
44:33Japan
44:35who's
44:35been
44:35doing
44:36that
44:36and
44:37the
44:37population
44:37is
44:37only
44:375,000
44:38and
44:39then
44:39I'm
44:44not
44:44saying
44:45it's
44:45visible
44:47but
44:47in
44:48the
44:48real
44:49world
44:49it
44:50will
44:50take
44:50us
44:50decades
44:51but
44:51in
44:51the
44:51meantime
44:51we
44:52have
44:52to
44:52address
44:52the
44:54issue
44:54which
44:54is
44:55how
44:55to
44:55deal
44:55with
44:55600
44:56to
44:56650
44:57tons
44:58a
44:58day
44:59so
45:00before
45:00we
45:00close
45:01and
45:01this
45:02has
45:02been
45:02an
45:03educational
45:04conversation
45:04also
45:05for
45:05me
45:05what's
45:08the
45:08single
45:08most
45:09important
45:10lesson
45:11in the
45:12context
45:13of
45:13landfills
45:15and
45:15in the
45:16context
45:16of
45:16Binalio
45:17that
45:18Cebu
45:19should
45:19never
45:20forget
45:21Filipinos
45:24in
45:24general
45:25we
45:25never
45:28prioritize
45:29solid
45:29waste
45:30management
45:30it
45:31can
45:31be
45:31shown
45:31we
45:32never
45:32prioritize
45:33solid
45:33waste
45:34management
45:34it
45:36happened
45:36in
45:36Inayawan
45:37so
45:39we
45:42never
45:43prioritize
45:45how
45:46we
45:47deal
45:47with
45:47garbage
45:48and
45:48how
45:49to
45:49make
45:50it
45:50sustainable
45:50at least
45:52for the next
45:52generation
45:53it
45:53it
45:53legacy
45:56it
45:56it
45:56it
45:57it
45:57it
45:58it
45:58it
45:58it
45:59it
45:59it
45:59it
46:00it
46:00it
46:01once
46:03and
46:03for
46:03all
46:04I
46:05don't
46:05want
46:05to
46:07waste
46:0736
46:09lives
46:09and
46:11then
46:11we
46:11have
46:11to
46:11understand
46:12the
46:13fact
46:13that
46:13the
46:13basura
46:14is
46:14geek
46:15it
46:15I
46:16want
46:17something
46:17that
46:18will
46:19rise
46:19something
46:20good
46:20that
46:20will
46:20rise
46:21from
46:22from
46:22this
46:23tragedy
46:24I
46:24want
46:24something
46:25good
46:25it
46:25could
46:25be
46:26a
46:26private
46:26moment
46:27for
46:27behavioral
46:28change
46:28and
46:29I
46:29support
46:30the
46:31mayor
46:31in
46:31all
46:31the
46:31initiatives
46:32it's
46:34going to
46:34be
46:34very
46:34tedious
46:35you
46:35have
46:36to
46:36really
46:36stretch
46:36your
46:37patience
46:37there's
46:38going to
46:38be
46:38a lot
46:39of
46:40complaints
46:40like
46:41that's
46:44why
46:44I'm
46:45asking
46:45also
46:46perhaps
46:46chamber
46:47of
46:47commerce
46:48or
46:48other
46:48business
46:49organization
46:50produce
46:51a
46:51business
46:52model
46:52for
46:54recycling
46:54private
46:55within
46:55the
46:55city
46:56aroong
46:56dili
46:56kay
46:57maborden
46:57na
46:57to
46:58ang
46:58goberno
46:59so
47:00and then
47:01at this
47:02point
47:02in
47:02times
47:03especially
47:03for
47:04large
47:04establishment
47:06commercial
47:07establishment
47:08naglisod
47:09mameroon
47:09pwede
47:10ba
47:10pwede
47:10ba
47:10kamoy
47:12kamoy
47:13dispose
47:14sa inyong
47:14basura
47:15of course
47:15you work
47:15on the
47:16reduction
47:16kamoy
47:17lang
47:17sa
47:17dispose
47:18sa inyong
47:18basura
47:18and then
47:19you know
47:20hire
47:20private
47:22company
47:25wag
47:25asa
47:26mo
47:26mudam
47:26pwede
47:29ba
47:29dealing
47:33with
47:33600
47:33tons
47:34is
47:34really
47:35difficult
47:35kanyang
47:36mga
47:36commercial
47:36I mean
47:37enjoyment
47:39gamayrabi
47:40atong
47:40garbage
47:40fees
47:41gamayrabi
47:42atong
47:42garbage
47:42na
47:42mga
47:43coffee
47:45shop
47:45international
47:45brand
47:46only
47:46paying
47:47like
47:471,700
47:49annually
47:50na
47:51mga
47:51dagkode
47:52only
47:54paying
47:545,000
47:55I mean
47:55dili
47:56manain
47:56sa
47:57kwarta
47:57ba
47:57but
47:57ako
47:58mo appeal
47:59ba
47:59on behalf
48:00perhaps
48:00of the
48:00mayor
48:01if you
48:01could
48:01address
48:03sa disposal
48:04sa inyong
48:05basura
48:05karo lang
48:06for the time
48:06being
48:07lang
48:07nagkrisis
48:08na
48:08that would
48:09be a
48:09great
48:09help
48:09to us
48:10and
48:10finally
48:11because
48:12I kept
48:14on saying
48:14that I'm
48:14grateful
48:15for this
48:15conversation
48:16as a
48:17Cebu
48:17and also
48:19among
48:20the
48:20leaders
48:21in
48:21Cebu
48:22who
48:22is
48:23also
48:24advocating
48:25for
48:25another
48:26way
48:26of
48:27looking
48:27at
48:27waste
48:28management
48:29what's
48:29your
48:29promise
48:30also
48:31to
48:31the
48:31viewers
48:32who
48:32are
48:32watching
48:33in the
48:34context
48:34of
48:34waste
48:35management
48:35and
48:35also
48:36environmental
48:37protection
48:38well
48:40just like
48:42any other
48:42nation
48:43let us
48:44be
48:45responsible
48:45for
48:46our
48:46own
48:47garbage
48:47it should
48:49start
48:49at home
48:49it should
48:51start
48:51at our
48:51own
48:52office
48:52we have
48:53to look
48:54at it
48:54that way
48:54in fact
48:56in other
48:57countries
48:57like
48:58in Japan
48:58as early
49:00as
49:01daycare
49:02mubisita
49:03mga garbage
49:03collector
49:04dito
49:04and
49:05pakita nila
49:06nga
49:06onsan
49:06siyang
49:07garbage
49:07tract
49:07when
49:09they
49:09reach
49:10fourth
49:11grade
49:11all
49:12of
49:13them
49:13it's
49:13part
49:13of
49:13their
49:13curriculum
49:14nga
49:15mubisita
49:15sila
49:16o mga
49:16waste
49:16to
49:16energy
49:16facility
49:17kainan
49:18sila
49:19kainan
49:20bottle
49:21water
49:21bottle
49:22or soft
49:22drinks
49:22kainan
49:23kainan
49:24kainan
49:25sila
49:25mga
49:26recycle
49:26mabalik
49:27kainan
49:27in fact
49:28as early
49:29as
49:292000
49:30nga
49:31mga
49:31bata
49:31magtudlo
49:32silang
49:33ginikan
49:33you have
49:34to
49:34take
49:34on
49:34the
49:35caps
49:35you have
49:35to
49:35take
49:35on
49:36the
49:37brand
49:37so
49:38it
49:39should
49:40I
49:40mean
49:40that's
49:41why
49:41in
49:41my
49:41last
49:42resolution
49:42last
49:42week
49:43when
49:43I
49:43deliver
49:44privilege
49:44speech
49:44I'm
49:45asking
49:45also
49:46DepEd
49:47I'm
49:47asking
49:48also
49:48ched
49:51ched
49:51ched
49:51ched
49:52ched
49:52I
49:52inculcate
49:53solid waste
49:55management
49:56not only
49:57but up to
49:58generation
49:59of garbage
50:00diha
50:01sa
50:01itong
50:01curriculum
50:02because
50:02it should
50:03start
50:04because
50:04behavior
50:04starts
50:06can
50:06can
50:06can
50:06can
50:06can
50:06can
50:07can
50:08can
50:08can
50:08can
50:09can
50:09can
50:09can
50:10can
50:10can
50:10can
50:10and
50:11these
50:11are
50:11what
50:11we're
50:12doing
50:12also
50:13not
50:13only
50:13for
50:14the
50:14present
50:14time
50:14but
50:14also
50:15for
50:15the
50:15generation
50:15to
50:16come
50:16so
50:16I
50:16think
50:17that's
50:17that's
50:17that could
50:18really
50:18help
50:18so
50:19thank
50:19you
50:19very
50:20much
50:20thank
50:21you
50:21enjoying
50:23so
50:24much
50:24this
50:24conversation
50:25because
50:25of
50:25also
50:25what
50:26I'm
50:26learning
50:27from
50:28this
50:28and
50:29I
50:29also
50:29hope
50:30that
50:30our
50:31viewers
50:31know
50:32are
50:32now
50:33even
50:33more
50:34educated
50:34on
50:35the
50:35long
50:36term
50:36solution
50:36not
50:37just
50:38on
50:38the
50:38short
50:38term
50:39solution
50:39and
50:40hopefully
50:40we
50:42will
50:42also
50:42have
50:43more
50:44generations
50:45also
50:46that
50:46will
50:47own
50:47the
50:48solution
50:48yes
50:49to
50:50the
50:51problem
50:51and
50:52to
50:52the
50:52challenge
50:53of
50:53waste
50:54management
50:54so
50:55thank
50:55you
50:55counselor
50:56Joel
50:56for
50:57joining
50:57us
50:57and
50:57for
50:57helping
50:58us
50:58understand
50:58what
50:59went
50:59wrong
50:59what
51:01safeguards
51:01should
51:02be
51:02put
51:02in
51:03place
51:03and
51:03how
51:03the
51:04city
51:04plans
51:04to
51:04prevent
51:05future
51:05disasters
51:06today
51:07we've
51:08seen
51:08how
51:08urgent
51:09and
51:09complex
51:09waste
51:10management
51:10is
51:11in
51:11Cebu
51:11from
51:12the
51:13tragedy
51:13at
51:13Binalio
51:14where
51:14lives
51:14were
51:15lost
51:15and
51:16safety
51:16was
51:17overlooked
51:17to
51:18the
51:18stalled
51:19Guba
51:20waste
51:20to
51:21energy
51:21project
51:21which
51:22could
51:22have
51:22provided
51:23long-term
51:24solutions
51:24the lesson
51:26is clear
51:27we cannot
51:28afford
51:29inaction
51:30so
51:30so
51:30I'm
51:31DJ
51:31Moises
51:31and
51:32from
51:32all
51:33of
51:33us
51:33here
51:33at
51:33Beyond
51:33the
51:34Headlines
51:34thank
51:34you
51:34for
51:35watching
51:35stay
51:36informed
51:36and
51:36remember
51:37your
51:37voice
51:38matters
51:38in
51:39shaping
51:39the
51:39future
51:40of
51:40the
51:41city
51:41have
51:41a
51:41good
51:41afternoon
51:42time
51:43to
51:43to
51:44have
51:44a
51:44time
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