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11 septembre 2001, 9h59 : une date et une heure que je n'oublierai jamais. 9h59, c'est l'heure à laquelle la tour sud du World Trade Center s'est effondrée... sous mes yeux.
A l'époque j'avais 28 ans. J'étais professeur d'histoire-géographie pour le lycée français. Ces attaques ont changé ma vie. J'ai décidé de reprendre des études en France pour devenir journaliste. 20 ans après j'ai voulu savoir ce qu'étaient devenus ceux qui, eux, étaient dans les tours ou à côté. Après une longue enquête et à partir de photos célèbres, j'ai trouvé quelques uns de ces survivants. Des miraculés pour certains. "9h59" c'est l'histoire d'un traumatisme. Un traumatisme qui a modifié la vie de milliers d'Américains mais aussi redessiné le destin des Etats-Unis...jusqu'à aujourd'hui.
Réalisation : Olivier Ponthus
Production : Yemaya productions Année de Production : 2021
A l'époque j'avais 28 ans. J'étais professeur d'histoire-géographie pour le lycée français. Ces attaques ont changé ma vie. J'ai décidé de reprendre des études en France pour devenir journaliste. 20 ans après j'ai voulu savoir ce qu'étaient devenus ceux qui, eux, étaient dans les tours ou à côté. Après une longue enquête et à partir de photos célèbres, j'ai trouvé quelques uns de ces survivants. Des miraculés pour certains. "9h59" c'est l'histoire d'un traumatisme. Un traumatisme qui a modifié la vie de milliers d'Américains mais aussi redessiné le destin des Etats-Unis...jusqu'à aujourd'hui.
Réalisation : Olivier Ponthus
Production : Yemaya productions Année de Production : 2021
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00:04Je me souviens ce matin-là, le ciel était dégagé.
00:11Le 11 septembre 2001, en cette belle journée de fin d'été,
00:15l'attentat le plus meurtrier de l'histoire allait bientôt marquer New York et l'Amérique au fer rouge.
00:42A cette époque, j'étais professeur d'histoire-géographie à New York.
00:46J'habitais Manhattan, quelques rues au sud de Central Park.
00:50Je ne travaillais pas le mardi matin.
00:53Après plusieurs allers et retours entre ma télévision et le toit plat de mon immeuble,
00:57d'où je pouvais voir partiellement les tours,
01:01j'allais assister à l'ineffable, l'indicible, l'incroyable.
01:08En une poignée de secondes,
01:13la tour sud s'effondra sous mes yeux, disparue.
01:20Il était 9h59.
01:34La tour nord allait connaître le même sort à peine 30 minutes plus tard.
01:40Rien qu'à New York, 2753 personnes décéderont ce jour-là
01:45et l'on comptera plus de 6000 blessés.
01:48Je n'ai été qu'un témoin lointain de ces attentats,
01:51mais ils m'ont profondément marqué au point de vouloir changer de métier,
01:55de changer de vie.
01:57Quelques mois plus tard,
01:58j'allais reprendre des études en France
02:00et devenir journaliste.
02:04Vingt ans après, j'ai voulu savoir
02:06ce que le 11 septembre a changé
02:08chez ceux qui, eux,
02:09étaient sur les lieux même de la tragédie.
02:12Pour beaucoup,
02:13l'épreuve qu'ils ont subie
02:14fut immortalisée par des photographes
02:16qui prirent tous les risques ce jour-là.
02:19Des photos-chocs,
02:21des photos pour l'histoire,
02:23des photos pour ne pas oublier.
02:26Après des mois d'enquête,
02:28j'ai retrouvé quelques-uns de ces anonymes
02:30passés à la postérité sur papier glacé.
02:33Policiers,
02:34employés des tours,
02:35pompiers, secouristes, photographes.
02:37Toutes et tous sont des survivants,
02:40des miraculés.
02:42Ce film est leur histoire,
02:44l'histoire d'un traumatisme
02:46qui a modifié leur vie
02:47et celle de milliers d'Américains,
02:49mais aussi redessiné le destin
02:51des États-Unis et du monde
02:53jusqu'à aujourd'hui.
03:06Mars 2021,
03:08dans le froid sec
03:09de cette fin d'hiver new-yorkais,
03:11les visiteurs du mémorial du 11 septembre
03:14recommencent à affluer.
03:15Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada,
03:2130, 30, 40.
03:22Out of 35 is coming down over here.
03:25That's Roberts,
03:26Mercado,
03:27Schoffer.
03:30Then you got,
03:31down the road a little bit,
03:32you got Michael D'Oria.
03:34Oh, Gimberson.
03:35Yeah, tall guy.
03:37You didn't want to say good morning
03:39to him early in the morning.
03:40He needed to have his coffee
03:41and hang out
03:42on the apparatus floor.
03:43And there's a lieutenant
03:45and then Morello.
03:47All very good guys.
03:49I don't know if there was any
03:49a bad guy in the firehouse.
03:58My name is Kevin Shea.
04:00I'm a retired New York City
04:01firefighter responding on 9-11
04:05at the South Tower of the World Trade Center
04:07where it collapsed.
04:10Ce jour-là,
04:12Kevin a failli perdre la vie.
04:14Sur les 13 pompiers de sa brigade,
04:16il est le seul à avoir survécu.
04:19When the plane hit,
04:21fuel that was on fire
04:24dropped down onto the cars,
04:26igniting them.
04:27And once you start a car on fire,
04:29it's difficult to put it out.
04:31So when we were down there,
04:32one of the guys
04:32that was on the line with us,
04:34meaning they were all
04:34holding the hose,
04:36he went out to see
04:36if there was more work for us.
04:38So we held the line
04:39where he wanted to see
04:39if there was more work.
04:40He went into the South Tower
04:41to see if there was more work.
04:43When he came out,
04:44the building was collapsing.
04:46I didn't know.
04:47I'm wearing my SCBA
04:49or my mask
04:49and I'm operating.
04:51He screamed for us to run.
04:55Courir pour sauver sa vie,
04:56la dernière image
04:57dont Kevin se souvienne.
05:00So at that time,
05:02you didn't know anything
05:03about the rest of the battalion?
05:04No.
05:06All I knew was that
05:07my guys died.
05:08I knew that
05:09the day I woke up,
05:12which was two days later,
05:14I was conscious.
05:14I didn't even see,
05:16I didn't even know
05:16the buildings came down.
05:19The doctors had told me
05:20that my retrograde amnesia
05:22was caused by
05:23my body shutting down
05:25to protect me.
05:26That the trauma
05:28of the building coming down,
05:29the trauma of the injuries
05:30that have occurred,
05:30the trauma of losses
05:32of my brothers
05:32was too grand
05:34for my mind,
05:36circuitry,
05:37to handle it all well.
05:38so it preferred
05:39to let it stay
05:40in the short term
05:41and get wiped away clean,
05:42like RAM on a computer
05:44when you turn it off.
05:46Cette perte de mémoire
05:47fut presque salvatrice
05:49pour Kevin.
05:52La plupart des autres victimes
05:54du 11 septembre
05:55ont-elles conservé
05:56des souvenirs bien précis
05:57de l'attaque,
06:00des souvenirs douloureux
06:01encore aujourd'hui.
06:27Un impact à seulement
06:28cinq étages
06:29au-dessus du bureau
06:30de Johanne.
06:33It went like this,
06:35this way,
06:36this way,
06:37this way.
06:39I saw my life
06:39in front of me.
06:40Then it went this way.
06:42Then it went this way.
06:44Then it went this way.
06:47And then it just stopped.
06:49When a plane hit,
06:50I was writing something
06:52at my desk.
06:53It was an impact.
06:54I describe it
06:55as like a Mack truck
06:56just slamming
06:57into something.
06:59My name is Peter Bitwinski.
07:00I was an employee
07:02of the Port Authority
07:03of New York
07:04working in
07:05One World Trade Center,
07:0669th floor
07:07on the morning
07:08of September 11th
07:09of 2001.
07:11And it startled me.
07:14After it threw me
07:15onto my desk,
07:16I get up
07:17and I remember
07:19when I got up,
07:20the sound
07:20of crunching steel.
07:22I just always remember
07:23that sound
07:24of the steel
07:24in my ears.
07:27and when I got up,
07:29the floor was rolling.
07:30It wasn't stable.
07:31It felt like
07:32everything
07:33would just
07:35crash down
07:36and I would go
07:37flying down.
07:38And all this is happening
07:39in seconds.
07:41But just the one thing
07:42I do remember
07:44is sort of whispering
07:45to myself,
07:46is this where it all
07:46ends for me?
07:47Is this where I die?
07:51is this where I die?
07:51We all got on our hands
07:52and our knees
07:53and we were going
07:55to exit our office
08:01and the second building
08:03got hit,
08:03but we felt it.
08:05The building started
08:06to rock.
08:07I was like,
08:07what the fuck?
08:09You know,
08:09are we ever going
08:10to get out of here?
08:12A l'extérieur,
08:13c'est la stupéfaction.
08:16Comme tous les New Yorkais,
08:17je n'ai aucune idée
08:18à ce moment
08:19que les tours
08:20vont s'effondrer
08:22et encore moins
08:22de ce que cet attentat
08:23aura comme conséquence
08:25au niveau international.
08:25dans le monde.
08:28Donc,
08:28on a start
08:29de la boule
08:29et on a start
08:29de la boule
08:30et on a start
08:31Et on a start
08:32Je me suis dit,
08:32parce que c'est
08:32de la boule.
08:33C'est un grand
08:36avantage.
08:36C'est un grand avantage.
08:38C'est un grand avantage.
08:41C'est un grand avantage.
08:42Je m'appelle
08:42Dominic Guadagnoli.
08:43On septembre 11,
08:452001,
08:46je travaillais
08:47en Manhattan
08:48à la deputée
08:49de la marshal.
08:52Tout le monde
08:53était en train
08:53de aider,
08:54trying de faire quelque chose.
08:58qui m'appelle
08:58à la boule.
08:59Tout le monde
09:00vous attendez
09:01et vous attendez
09:01à la boule
09:02à la boule.
09:03Vous avez des gens
09:05qui m'entendent
09:05ou vous allez
09:06vous prendre en un
09:07et vous allez
09:07vous allez
09:07voir les gens
09:08et vous allez
09:08en train de
09:11la boule
09:11et vous allez
09:12s'il vous déjard
09:13pour un second.
09:20Tout le monde
09:21fut
09:21je vais
09:23lui.
09:27I felt like if somebody was scared, they would just light a cigarette.
09:30Or if they were in the dark somewhere and they didn't know where they were,
09:33they would light a match just to see where they were.
09:36I was really afraid that the building was going to explode from the jet fuel.
09:42And what was really sad was, like, one floor would have fire and smoke.
09:49Another floor, you could hear a pin drop.
09:51Another floor, you would see...
09:56You hear music playing. Another floor, you would see blood.
10:01What really bothered me the most is there was this one floor, there were people in wheelchairs.
10:07I said how are these people going to get down?
10:11Parmi ces personnes handicapées, au moins une sortira vivante de l'attaque.
10:17John Abruzzo, tetraplégique, sauvé par son collègue et ami Peter.
10:24When I bought the chair, everyone contributed in terms of opening the chair.
10:29We unstrapped John from his wheelchair.
10:31We lifted him into the EVAC chair, strapped him in there.
10:35And then we kind of developed this quick system.
10:39Two people at the top of the chair, two at the bottom to guide it.
10:44When we went down the staircase, we were rotating bottom to top, top goes off.
10:50This was every five floors.
10:51And how long did it take to go down?
10:54It took us approximately an hour and a half because we were stopped along the way.
11:04Plus, we were slower than the average people going down the staircase.
11:10On the outside, the secours help the rescuers who go out of turns each other.
11:17Some are seriously injured, like Donna, a young employee of the South.
11:25So we got Donna and put her in animals.
11:28And then we were just packing animals.
11:29They were just, how many you could put in there that would be safe enough to put in there.
11:32So I remember closing the door and thinking, okay, next.
11:35And there she goes and helped a few more people.
11:38And then there was that sound where everybody heard that first sound.
11:41You look, you could hear it crack and you look, and everyone kind of just froze for a second.
11:52And I start seeing the building coming down.
11:56And I'm just, you know, I'm stupid. I'm just, I carry on shooting.
12:05My name is Phil Perman. I'm a professional photographer.
12:09And I rushed down to the World Trade Center the morning of September 11th.
12:18It's like you're in another world. You're looking through the viewfinder.
12:21And it's not for like a few seconds of shooting that my brain starts realizing,
12:26well, hang on a minute, these things are coming in closer and closer and closer in my frame.
12:30How close are they going to come? Like, is it going to come over the church and get me?
12:34So all of a sudden, like, these firemen run past and they kind of grab me and say, run, kid.
12:43It's 9h59. In 9 seconds at a time, la Tour Sud s'est effondrée.
12:49110 étages, volatilisés.
12:55Malgré le chaos, malgré le choc absolu,
12:58les photographes continuent de faire leur métier sous la menace de la Tour Nord encore debout.
13:07My name is Aristide Codemopoulos. I'm a photojournalist.
13:11And on 9-11, I was across the North Tower and it fell at the intersection of Church and Day
13:19Streets.
13:27I look up and I see just the top starting to splinter, just explode.
13:34And I just turned and I just started running as fast as I could.
13:41And just pure adrenaline just pumping in me, just sprinting.
13:46And with that, I'm running and I see, a little distance away, a photographer.
13:52I get by him and this photographer, Joe Tabacca, and I, we dive by this bus.
14:03And the tower falls and takes a lot of the debris and that bus saved our lives.
14:17En moins de deux heures de temps, les tours jumelles, symboles de la toute-puissance économique des États-Unis, ne
14:23sont plus comme pulvérisées.
14:31L'Amérique est touchée au cœur. En Occident, nous sommes tous sous le choc.
14:37Le 11 septembre marque la fin d'un monde, la fin des certitudes.
14:42Les Américains vivent dans la peur, dans un pays qui n'est désormais plus un sanctuaire.
14:48Les survivants, eux, développent une paranoïa de tous les instants.
15:01My name is Caleb Bergeron. I work for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.
15:06I was on the 68th floor of the North Tower when the commercial airliner hit the building.
15:18To be honest, on September 12th, when I was still living in Manhattan at the time,
15:24I got into a cab, I'd say, midnight.
15:28And one of the drivers was Middle Eastern, and that fear kind of overtook me.
15:34From a personal, like comparing it to 9-11, you woke up and you could smell the death.
15:41You know, you could walk and you could see it.
15:44You could, you could see in the air, you could smell it.
15:48I definitely, it definitely took a toll on me.
15:53When I was going through post-traumatic stress disorder,
15:57I didn't want to leave the house.
16:00I was afraid. I lived on a busy street, so I would jump when I would feel anything.
16:05I used to hide in the closet in my apartment.
16:10I couldn't walk like the first, I would say, 50 days.
16:15My legs were like locked up.
16:19Always watching my back, always on the lookout.
16:22I just make sure, I try and keep people safe when I'm at work.
16:25You know, if this is what, I'm the fire, uh, deputy fire, whatever you want to call me on my
16:30floor,
16:30I just got to make sure I bring everybody out.
16:32Because I'm not leaving anybody behind after what I went through.
16:38I lost a lot of people.
16:39It brought me to a state in my emotional mind where I had something called survivor's guilt.
16:47I felt there were guys on the job that had 30 years of experience that had a lot more to
16:50offer
16:51than this little peon of two and a half, two and a half approaching three years on the job.
16:59So when they lost their lives, I thought it was unfair.
17:01Me, I felt the blame, in a way it was me saying, I don't know why I had to be
17:05spared in this particular situation.
17:11So over time of witnessing the horror, seeing the families, uh, and suffering, seeing their eyes,
17:17looking at me going, in my head saying, why is he alive and my husband's dead?
17:23Why is he alive and, you know, and my son is dead?
17:26Uh, it became painful.
17:28And I actually started to get a little bit further apart from them
17:31because the pain of trying to explain to each of them,
17:33I'm feeling the same pain, uh, as you are because I'm alive, you know?
17:38And, and I couldn't give him an answer.
17:40The truth is I do not know.
17:44Yeah, for me, it was, um, loud noises.
17:48We spoke about that.
17:49Um, jets above me.
17:51I mean, if I saw a jet, I would watch it the whole time until I see where it went.
17:55I didn't want to not know where it was going.
17:57I did not.
17:58I didn't want to know where it wasn't going.
18:02Um, and then fire engines.
18:04I mean, if I heard a fire engine, a siren, I would just literally freeze.
18:06I would just stop short because that was all around us.
18:09There's been moments.
18:10Um, I remember recent, what happened?
18:15I was, I was actually in the shower and my girlfriend was at my house.
18:18And I don't, I just started breaking down.
18:21I don't know what happened.
18:21I can't remember now why it happened.
18:24Um.
18:24Out of the blue?
18:25Yeah, out of the blue.
18:26We were talking about something.
18:27Maybe this, I don't remember.
18:29Uh, I just know that all of a sudden I just, I was a mess.
18:34I don't know why.
18:35Something triggered it and it wasn't like she did anything.
18:37We were talking about something, maybe a trip to New York City.
18:39We talked about that several times.
18:40Going to see family, go back to New York.
18:42There was something.
18:43And I didn't think it would get to me like that.
18:46I was like that for the longest time.
18:47I mean, I'm still a little, I mean, sometimes I lock my doors probably when I shouldn't.
18:52I'm a little paranoid.
18:54Um, but you know, I go to the shower.
18:56I have my guns right outside the shower.
18:58I mean, not all the time.
18:59There's just certain days that it picks up again.
19:01It just, you know, it amps up, you know.
19:06I had trauma when I was a kid.
19:08I was abused.
19:09But I kind of put that in a box.
19:11That was something not to talk about.
19:12So when 9-11 happened, that came to the surface along with the terrorist attacks.
19:19That's complex PTSD.
19:21The fight or flight response.
19:23That's the type of mood I was in.
19:26But yeah, all those years I was busy.
19:28I don't think it was intentionally, although it was a distraction.
19:32I have friends.
19:33We've all been asked.
19:36Why didn't you get help sooner?
19:38We said there was no freaking time.
19:40We were busy.
19:44I was like, oh, you know the body.
19:52I started calling in the fire department, to ask them if you're going to bring me on for light duty.
19:58Why don't you consider me for full duty?
20:00Because I feel like I'll be capable of doing that."
20:03And they just put me off for about a year.
20:05In fact, I talked to Dr. Kelly.
20:09She was the one who actually was at the site that helped rescue me.
20:12So I went to her and she said,
20:14Let's give it a year.
20:16And I said, Okay.
20:18So I was really hopeful.
20:20But at the end of that duty, I was asking for it.
20:23And they said, No, you'll never go on full duty.
20:28And that was Dr. Kelly that she said that to me.
20:31And she said that there was a reason.
20:32There was another guy that had injuries, serious injuries, before 9-11.
20:39And she was left with a conflict for her to make a decision if to let him on or not.
20:44And she chose to let him on.
20:46And then he died on 9-11.
20:48And so she said, Since then, it's really hard for me to ever decide to bring anyone back on after
20:53that.
20:58I really loved the job, so that hurt.
21:02I was given the choice to stay on light duty, though, which was nice.
21:08And then someone came along and said, But you can also, you can retire now.
21:13And I didn't want to leave.
21:14It was my brother Brian that convinced me to leave.
21:22It took 17 years to get a diagnosis.
21:26I mean, I knew something was wrong.
21:28I thought maybe because I had been displaced with the job.
21:31But I had a hard time just sitting in the chair, driving in the car for long periods of time.
21:38And my mind was racing at such a speed, it was hard to deal with.
21:44And what I've learned is alcohol fuels PTSD, and PTSD fuels alcohol.
21:54I hit the alcohol hard.
21:57Like I was, I had a yellow skin, and I was about 60 pounds heavier.
22:03And people used to call me Yellow Man.
22:05And I didn't know why they called me Yellow Man.
22:07And apparently that was from the alcohol.
22:09How many years did you go down that deep?
22:13Oh, quite a while.
22:15Yeah, I was drinking, drinking close to a bottle of Jack Daniels a night.
22:22And then I was like, shit, you've got a problem.
22:25You know?
22:26That's why you quit?
22:28Well, that was one of them.
22:29And then I actually went to a doctor and they were like,
22:32yeah, you're not supposed to be Yellow.
22:34That's not a good sign.
22:59My name is Srinath Inadas.
23:03I was a structural engineer.
23:04of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.
23:08And was on the 74th floor of the World Trade Center North Tower
23:14when the plane hit.
23:18Depuis 4 ans, Srinath habite à Jacksonville, en Floride.
23:23Le cliché qui témoigne de ce qu'il a vécu il y a 20 ans
23:26fut un de ceux les plus utilisés dans les médias.
23:30This picture has gone all over the world.
23:33And they keep printing this picture over and over again.
23:39Joe Kelly passed away.
23:41George, I'm not in touch with him.
23:44You look like a walking dead, if I may say.
23:46So I suppose for a journalist, maybe that's what comes to mind.
23:53Although I didn't feel like I was dead at the time.
23:57Somebody looking at it might think, oh my gosh,
24:00I mean these people are coming out of like a cemetery or something.
24:03Right?
24:03You could...
24:04Yeah, I mean I can understand how somebody might think like that.
24:08Yeah.
24:08I think what also stands out is that he looks casual.
24:15I mean...
24:16Yeah, yeah.
24:16He's still wearing his case and...
24:19Yeah, right, right.
24:20Like nothing happened.
24:21Yeah, right, right.
24:22Yeah, so...
24:23If something happened to me, I wouldn't think of taking my purse or my case.
24:29Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:29So, I mean, what you don't know is what's in my pockets.
24:32I had a pair of binoculars, I had a flashlight, and I had wet paper towels, you know, stuff like
24:43that.
24:45You were prepared?
24:46Well, as best as I could, because I didn't know.
24:49I mean, especially because after 93, you know, there was smoke and all that, so...
24:55And then the lights went out and so forth, so that's why I had the flashlight.
25:02I didn't visit the site until they cleared the place.
25:06So for how long?
25:08That would have been several months I didn't go there.
25:11Why?
25:12I just didn't feel like, you know, I just couldn't make myself go where, you know, all those people were
25:18buried there.
25:20I can't really explain specifically what it was, but, you know, I just couldn't make myself do it.
25:28That's understandable.
25:29Yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:38Le photographe qui a immortalisé Srinath et tant d'autres, le 11 septembre, c'est Phil Penman.
25:45Lui vit toujours à New York.
25:50And then, you know, I ran into J&R Music and started taking pictures.
25:56This was John Paul DeVito.
26:00But just a very surreal sight, you know, seeing this guy with the suit and then you've got John Paul
26:05next to him like that.
26:07So I did a few pictures and then, you know, once the window was, once we could see some kind
26:14of life, this is what I walked out to.
26:19This is Joanne on the left and her friend.
26:30He really, how can I say, he got us at the moment.
26:36He got us at that moment in time when I was so scared.
26:42And you saw how scared we were.
26:45And that's how we were the whole entire time.
26:47So when you ask me, how do you feel today?
26:51I've come a long way.
26:53I look at that picture and I was like, that was the worst moment of my life.
26:57But you know what?
26:58That was the best picture out there.
27:01And he made me feel like I have to meet this man.
27:08I was so nervous to meet Phil.
27:11I was so nervous.
27:13And I had my boss Mark Whaley come into the conference room, walk in with me to meet Phil.
27:19And I was so nervous that I didn't even know what to say to him.
27:22I was like, hi.
27:24And that moment on, we became really good friends.
27:30At the point that in 2007, at the request of Joanne, Phil Penman accept to be the photographer of his
27:36marriage.
27:42Quant at the initial cliché in The Enfer of September, Joanne doesn't regret it.
27:47At the contrary.
27:51It gave me closure.
27:52It was the first step to my recovery.
27:56And I always talk about my recovery because it wasn't easy.
28:03It wasn't easy for Dominique Guadagnoli.
28:07The 11th September, the old marshal had some personal effects.
28:12I turned to this paper and it still works.
28:14The cell phones went down right away.
28:16The pagers were still working.
28:17Now this pager, which is weird.
28:19The company we got these pagers from were in the trade towers.
28:22That's where we got our pagers from.
28:25This was in the packets of the jacket.
28:27And in my shoes.
28:29This is the stuff you see that's all over everybody's faces.
28:32And all over the jacket.
28:33And all over me and everybody else.
28:36The two of us.
28:36The one with the clothes he wore this day.
28:39The clothes he wore.
28:40You never cleaned it.
28:42The clothes he wore this.
29:04C'est la photo prise de lui ce jour-là.
29:05Un cliché qui illustra lui aussi de très nombreux articles au lendemain du 11 septembre.
29:34J'ai pas entendu parler de mon frère, j'ai jamais entendu parler de mon frère.
29:35J'ai pas entendu parler de mon frère en Italie, quand j'ai entendu parler de mon frère,
29:38c'était vraiment...
29:42...leur et difficile de processer ça.
29:47Et quand je me suis dit, je suis comme un gros...
29:51Je me suis dit, je me suis dit, c'est...
29:56...leur mon portrait.
29:59C'est m'a eu vu de leurs personnes dans les choses.
30:01Les gens, des gens, des gens comme ça.
30:03C'était un peu plus, mais c'est tout.
30:04C'est un peu plus cher pour prendre ma photo.
30:07Mais je me suis dit que j'ai bien.
30:10Ce n'est pas forcément pas ma,
30:12mais les autres photos.
30:13C'est pour les prochaines générations.
30:18Je suis pas différent de tout les NYPD cops,
30:20les firemen, les reals.
30:22Ils n'ont pas de leur vie.
30:24Ils n'ont pas d'autre.
30:24Ils n'ont pas de leur vie.
30:27Pour moi, ils n'ont pas d'autre.
30:31Ils n'ont pas d'autre chose.
30:33Ils n'ont pas d'autre chose à dire les personnes.
30:35Ils n'ont pas d'autre chose à dire que vous désigneziez-vous.
30:41J'en est mon ami.
30:42Il était notre ami.
30:44Il y a des amis qui se sont ensemble pour aider.
30:49Et quand vous avez un ami ou une famille,
30:52vous n'avez pas d'abandon des amis.
30:53Et, vous savez, je ne pouvais pas faire ça.
30:58que la time était à notre côté, que la fête ou la God ou la quête,
31:03nous avons nous d'exit et 15 minutes après, la tower est venu.
31:09Je n'ai pas de savoir pourquoi ça se fait et pourquoi je suis encore ici 20 ans après,
31:15pour parler de ça.
31:24I was suffering some PTSD afterwards.
31:29Fortunately, my company offered both one-on-one counselling and group counselling, and I accepted it.
31:41We used to do these voluntary efforts called Remembrance Through Renewal every September 11th annual period.
31:50And one was offered to join the Tribute Museum.
31:53And when I joined and I went through their training program and I realized what I would be doing in
32:01terms of tour leading and gallery guiding,
32:05it really was something that clicked with me.
32:09So I was happy to do that.
32:16Everybody has a different story, but we tell it person to person.
32:21And that's what we like doing because, you know, you could see photos and you could see objects.
32:30But it's different when you're talking to somebody.
32:37The major smoke cleared, but then the pile had all the jet fuel and was burning.
32:43And I don't know whether you remember, but that pile burned for six months.
32:50And...
32:51I remember the smell.
32:52Remember the smell, yeah.
32:53The week after, the winds shifted towards the north.
32:58Just asbestos, just cables, wires.
33:01Yeah, imagine the people who went into that pile and some of them had masks, some had better masks, some
33:06took the mask off because it was bothersome.
33:09Because the EPA chief in the U.S. said that it was safe.
33:14Totally bad and wrong thing to do, but...
33:17And now many of them are suffering.
33:19I come away all the time healing and thankful that I came to Tribute that day and it's part of
33:28my ongoing healing.
33:31My family was super supportive.
33:34I had some very good friends that were very close who just really, I mean, made us closer, obviously.
33:42My coworker, John, we were close, but this has been, this is a bond.
33:44It's a bond.
33:45Him and I have this bond now that no matter what happens, I haven't seen him in probably, I don't
33:50know how many years.
33:50He's been here once.
33:51I've gone back, I just, you know, with life as it is.
33:53He's in New York, I'm in Florida.
33:54We talk a lot.
33:55We text a lot.
33:57Usually funny stuff that kind of makes each other laugh or tease each other, you know.
34:00And even with Donna.
34:01You know, Donna Sparrow, I haven't seen her in years.
34:08We text from time to time.
34:10We talk every once in a while.
34:25This house that you're in, I focus a lot on it.
34:28And that helped me cope with it because if you have one thing that's causing great stress,
34:32best thing is to get a lot of stress is try building a house.
34:38And then having children, building a house was one of them.
34:42So that's what I decided to do.
34:44And it worked for me because you'll focus on the day-to-day operations.
34:47I opted to do it because it made, I, this was a place, it's a shelter, but I wanted it
34:53to be this certain way.
34:54And it was something I could choose as opposed to like a department telling that you can't go this avenue.
35:00Did you see a shrink therapist?
35:04No shrink, no therapist. Cycling was my escape.
35:09I got into cycling.
35:10I have a very addictive nature.
35:12So I was either addicted to the alcohol and then my escape from that was I got addicted to cycling.
35:19And that was my escape.
35:22I got all over the world doing climbing all these mountains and everything on the bike and got really hooked
35:29on that.
35:29And then it becomes something else.
35:31And it's just like a way for the brain to just go away from everything else.
35:41Kyla, elle, a dû attendre 2018 pour trouver enfin dans ce ranch l'apaisement dont elle avait cruellement besoin.
35:50You want a little treat?
35:52It's broken.
35:53Tous les week-ends, elle vient ici au nord d'Atlanta où elle vit désormais pour des séances d'équithérapie.
36:01He's been through trauma.
36:03I think he can sense it with me and he's so gentle.
36:08And I've come to trust him when I first saw him.
36:11You know, the size is a little overwhelming and intimidating.
36:16But getting to know him, he's a little bag of love, right?
36:24It helps with the bond.
36:25First of all, it relaxes him.
36:28And after I spend a little time with him, as it benefits to me like this, that's very therapeutic.
36:37A lot of the energy just kind of dissipates into the air.
36:41Right, big guy?
36:42You can see it.
36:43You like to.
36:44Oh, yeah.
36:45Man, it's like going to a salon, full body massage.
36:50When I get people who come for therapy, what I tell them is, are you seeing a therapist?
36:56That's my very first thing.
36:57Yes.
36:57I was like, okay, so don't stop.
36:58I don't ask them anything about what's going on.
37:03How was your week?
37:04You know, tell me what you're feeling.
37:06I don't do any of that.
37:07There's no reason to.
37:09The horse pretty much does it for me.
37:11And usually by the end of a therapy session, they'll be talking to me.
37:16And that's how it should be.
37:19The people outside, they may not see the benefits.
37:22They're like, oh, you're just rubbing the horse.
37:24But there's something magical about it.
37:27And they do have a sick sense.
37:38But I've seen Kayla over the last few years make a lot of strides in where she's going, what she's
37:45planning for her life and moving on.
37:48I just think it takes incredible courage to move on from something like that.
37:53She said to me, well, it's going to be 20 years.
37:55It might as well have been two days ago.
37:56It's still just as dramatic and horrible as it ever was.
38:00But now you learn how to handle living with that, I guess.
38:05I was at the peak of my career, the job I absolutely loved.
38:11And so I get a little teary-eyed thinking about it because I was at the peak and then I
38:19fell.
38:21And, you know, the terrorists took it from me and not just me.
38:25And so I wish I had that life back again.
38:31And frankly, had I known I'd be going through all of this, if it was like a bust, I would
38:38have given somebody else my seat.
38:39Because this is not, I'm not the person I intended to be.
38:44But yeah, I just, I'm kind of disappointed in myself, I'm still working on it.
38:49That's why I need therapy for life.
38:51But yeah, I'm angry, I'm angry because my life was taken.
38:55And I can't get it back.
39:04La colère, nombreux furent les Américains à en ressentir après l'effondrement des tours jumelles.
39:13De la frustration aussi et des envies de vengeance chez certains.
39:19La colère, nombreux furent les Américains à en ressentir après l'effondrement des Américains à en ressentir.
39:30I felt like, well, at that time I was, you know, really in bad shape.
39:34I was like, go kill them all, you know, I was crazy in my head.
39:37But that goes away with time.
39:39You know, time does heal all wounds.
39:41I don't want to see anybody hurt.
39:43But at that point, of course, at the beginning, you know, just go kill them all.
39:49I was just like, whoever did it, whoever physically did it, most of them are dead.
39:55Whoever's left, yeah, let's find them and bring them up.
39:57Hang them up, string them up, do what we got to do.
39:59If you know that they did it and you have proof, yeah, sure.
40:02At that time, they were saying that all the Saudis who were here, right, that Bush allowed them to go
40:09back to Saudi Arabia and all the people who were helping these hijackers, they were all allowed to go back.
40:25Selon plusieurs enquêtes journalistiques de fond, le 13 septembre 2001, 140 citoyens saoudiens liés à la famille royale ou à
40:33Ben Laden furent exfiltrés des États-Unis avec le soutien du FBI.
40:38So now I was conflicted. In fact, there was something called, there was some pages that were redacted in the
40:449-11 commission.
40:47And there was some 19 pages that were redacted, I believe they said, that talked about how Saudi Arabia was
40:56involved in it.
40:57And they didn't want it because they didn't want to cause a conflict with Saudi Arabia, because we have a
41:01great deal with them with, I guess, oil.
41:02That's what, that's the common belief is.
41:06And I remember saying that's not satisfactory for me, yeah.
41:11There were talks that they found the location, they're locating the perpetrator of this.
41:18And his name is Bin Laden, and yes, evidence has shown that he was the mastermind of this.
41:25The Bush and the administration were out to get him, and we thought, in Afghanistan.
41:31So I thought this was going to be a chase, and they're going to go and focus on him.
41:38There was, at one point, when I started to get some doubt, it was when the transition went to the
41:44country of Iraq.
41:47I think I felt that there was an overreaction.
41:53And I think that's exactly what the Osama and the terrorists wanted.
42:00And then there were people who, you know, found it as a way of, you know, advancing some of their
42:10own goals.
42:11Like going and spreading democracy in the Middle East or whatever, you know.
42:19The politicians were trying to wrap the American flag around themselves and, you know, sound like patriots for their own
42:29ends.
42:30Après l'Afghanistan, l'administration Bush voulut ouvrir un nouveau front en Irak.
42:37Pour justifier cette intervention, Colin Powell, le secrétaire d'Etat de l'époque, prononça un discours va-t'en-guerre
42:44assez célèbre.
42:45Devant le Conseil de sécurité de l'ONU, il fit le lien sans aucune preuve entre le régime de Saddam
42:51Hussein et les lettres remplies d'anthrax qui créèrent la panique à New York et Washington une semaine seulement après
42:57le 11 septembre.
42:58Less than a teaspoonful of dry anthrax in an envelope shut down the United States Senate in the fall of
43:062001.
43:08This forced several hundred people to undergo emergency medical treatment and killed two postal workers.
43:16I was always skeptical about politics. So it probably reinforced my skepticism and my, what do you call, cynicism about
43:28the whole system.
43:31Une semaine après le discours de Colin Powell, Dominique de Villepin, alors ministre des Affaires étrangères de Jacques Chirac, lui
43:38répondit dans une allocution elle aussi passée à la postérité.
43:43Personne ne peut donc affirmer aujourd'hui que le chemin de la guerre sera plus court que celui des inspections.
43:52Personne ne peut affirmer non plus qu'il pourrait déboucher sur un monde plus sûr, plus juste et plus stable,
44:00car la guerre est toujours la sanction d'un échec.
44:04Je me souviens de France en qui pensant, je me souviens de France, qui pensant à ce que je veux,
44:08c'est leur point, c'est leur choix.
44:11Ils ne doivent pas être involvés.
44:13Je me souviens de l'un, c'est un peu différent.
44:18Il était dans leur front, ils étaient involvés, les souviens de l'autre, c'est leur point, c'est leur
44:23choix.
44:23Ils étaient là, ils n'ont pas leur front.
44:25Le veto de l'Union, vous vous souvenez de cette partie ?
44:28Je ne me souviens pas exactement de cette partie, non.
44:30Et après cette refusation, il y a eu beaucoup de français basse dans le US.
44:36Vous vous souvenez de ça ?
44:37Oui, oui.
44:38Quelqu'un a dit qu'il n'y avait plus de français à McDonald's.
44:44Alors, c'était des politiciens.
44:47Ils m'ont dit qu'il n'y avait plus de français.
44:49C'est comme ça.
44:52C'est ce que ces choses peuvent être.
44:54C'est-ce qu'ils invadenent France.
45:02Mes chers citoyens,
45:04à cette heure, les forces américains et les forces de l'Operation américaine
45:07sont dans les années-cières de l'Operation militaire
45:10pour disarmir Iraq,
45:12pour libérer ses gens,
45:13et pour protéger le monde de la grave danger.
45:16En mon ordre,
45:17les forces de l'Operation ont commencé à décrire
45:19sélective des objectifs de l'importance de l'Operation
45:22pour déterminer Saddam Hussein's capacité à wage la guerre.
45:30Vous savez, les armes-makers et les autres hangers-on,
45:36les patriots et, vous savez,
45:38les flag bearers,
45:39tous ces gens, ils veulent battre.
45:41Donc, je pense que une excuse est bonne pour eux.
45:44Donc, l'Operation de l'Operation n'est pas la bonne solution?
45:46Je ne pense pas.
45:48Je ne pense pas.
45:49Il n'y a rien à faire avec l'Optama bin Laden.
45:51Ils fabriquaient tout.
45:54Les armes de mass destruction,
45:57c'est un stain sur notre nation,
46:01et c'est ce qui va être ça pour toujours.
46:03Je ne sais pas ce qui s'est passé
46:04dans nos leaders.
46:06Je ne sais pas si c'était une réveillance
46:08pour les Bush-boys ou pas,
46:11mais vous avez à question leur judgment.
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