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00:00:00And I think now they're in the danger zone of the reminder
00:00:07you can never have enough pitching, especially enough starting pitching.
00:00:10And if they have one injury to one of their six or seven main guys now,
00:00:17and this is the offense,
00:00:19they're going to have to crawl to the finish line just to find a way in.
00:00:25It's a drive on Derry Dawson.
00:00:28Jeff Chisholm goes deep.
00:00:33Hello and welcome to the Pitchstripe Post.
00:00:35My name is Ryan Sampson.
00:00:36He's the star of the show, Joel Sherman.
00:00:37Today is Tuesday, August 18th.
00:00:39Joel, since the last time we spoke to you,
00:00:42the Yankees lost the series against the Toronto Blue Jays,
00:00:45helping them get back into that wild card race,
00:00:47which we talked about at the end of last week's episode.
00:00:50But then we got some news last night about the return of Carlos Rodon to the rotation.
00:00:55He is slated to start this series.
00:00:57However, with that news, we get the other news of Max Free going back on the IEL
00:01:02with the bone bruise.
00:01:03A lot to talk about on today's episode.
00:01:05But before I get to any of that,
00:01:08Joel Sherman, how are you doing today, buddy?
00:01:10Good.
00:01:10I was at an interesting Met game last night.
00:01:14You know, there's the,
00:01:17I think they do this in football, right?
00:01:20Where there's a strange score.
00:01:21They do a score.
00:01:23Scoregami.
00:01:24Scoregami.
00:01:24Scoregami.
00:01:25I think I had game-gami yesterday.
00:01:28The Mets' first two guys in the first inning reached base and both scored.
00:01:34And that was all the Mets scored were the first two guys.
00:01:37Those were their two runs.
00:01:39The Padres had a run,
00:01:41a span,
00:01:42where seven of their players in a row reached base safely.
00:01:47And one guy scored.
00:01:48And that's all the runs they scored all game.
00:01:50I'm just the seven in a row with one scoring.
00:01:54I'm not sure that I've ever seen anything close.
00:01:56There were four runners thrown out at the plate,
00:01:58three by outfielders,
00:01:59two by Carson Benj.
00:02:02It's a reminder,
00:02:03like the Mets,
00:02:03maybe the Mets are kind of sneaking back to the periphery of something.
00:02:06But even if they're not,
00:02:07it's fun to go to the ballpark.
00:02:08You might see something you've never seen before.
00:02:10So I was glad I was there.
00:02:13Yeah.
00:02:13Look,
00:02:14it was wild.
00:02:15Like you said,
00:02:16that the fact that they got those runners on,
00:02:18couldn't get more than one run and bench,
00:02:21just the arm that he has,
00:02:23the talent.
00:02:23I don't know.
00:02:24First one,
00:02:26the third base coach.
00:02:27I don't know that I saw worse ever because like,
00:02:31like,
00:02:31okay.
00:02:31One of the guys thrown at the plate is bases loaded,
00:02:33force out at the plate on a ball,
00:02:35hit back to the pitcher.
00:02:36Nothing you can do about that.
00:02:37Two of the other ones were two outs.
00:02:39You're trying to beat a throw home with two outs.
00:02:44I get it.
00:02:45But the first one is Cronenworth stopped to see if a ball would be
00:02:49caught.
00:02:49He wasn't even to third base.
00:02:51Do they not have video in San Diego?
00:02:53Bench has one of the best arms in the sport.
00:02:54He's proven it all year.
00:02:56Cronenworth is at best,
00:02:57what an average runner in the major leagues.
00:02:59Like what was that was.
00:03:01And of course they followed that with a line drive hit that probably
00:03:04would have scored two runs.
00:03:05Anyway,
00:03:06they,
00:03:06they really,
00:03:07you know,
00:03:07for a team kind of in the race,
00:03:09clearly as opposed to the Mets who need every win they could get.
00:03:13They really left one on the table yesterday.
00:03:16Well,
00:03:16look,
00:03:17Joel's done a nice job of distracting me to beginning of the show before
00:03:19jumping off.
00:03:21Look,
00:03:22Joel,
00:03:22it's,
00:03:22I'll tell you,
00:03:23it's bleak right now for Yankees fans.
00:03:25This offense obviously is,
00:03:27is tough to watch.
00:03:29Uh,
00:03:29even if you're trying to be like,
00:03:31get into the mood of like,
00:03:32I want to watch the Yankees today.
00:03:33It's tough,
00:03:34but I got to start with the Max freed injury.
00:03:37Uh,
00:03:38look,
00:03:39I don't know how long he's going to be out.
00:03:41Obviously we need,
00:03:41we wait for Boone to speak about this later today,
00:03:44but if it's anything similar to what he had dealt earlier this year,
00:03:48Joel,
00:03:48he missed two months.
00:03:49So if you start connecting the dots as a fan,
00:03:52as a fan,
00:03:53it seems like this could be the end of Max freed's 2026 baseball season with
00:03:58the New York Yankees.
00:03:59And which case the mystery surrounding Aaron judge freed going down this late
00:04:04in the season.
00:04:05I have to ask you,
00:04:06Joel,
00:04:07do they actually have a chance without those two guys right now?
00:04:11Well,
00:04:12a chance to do what a chance to actually make a run in the playoffs.
00:04:16So,
00:04:16so let's start with a big picture thing.
00:04:19I'm not here to do pom-poms.
00:04:21You know,
00:04:22I don't do that,
00:04:23but like,
00:04:23like use the word bleak.
00:04:25Let's remember that they have pretty much run with the second best record in
00:04:28the American legal season.
00:04:30Uh,
00:04:31it's,
00:04:31it's a reminder.
00:04:32Like you,
00:04:32you set it up top.
00:04:33They helped Toronto get back in the race at a couple of games under 500.
00:04:37Like,
00:04:38like these other teams have really,
00:04:39really struggled all year.
00:04:41The Yankees have kind of muddled around and underperformed,
00:04:44uh,
00:04:45cause they can't hit,
00:04:46uh,
00:04:47they specifically can't create batting average,
00:04:49but have kind of like created a gap in the wild card.
00:04:53So the question is for me,
00:04:55do these,
00:04:56does this latest injury and the team I keep invoking,
00:04:59uh,
00:04:59on our show and in other places is are,
00:05:02are the Yankees in some danger of becoming the 2025 Mets,
00:05:05which is they take on enough water in enough places where all of a sudden
00:05:09you look up and go,
00:05:10Oh,
00:05:10they didn't even make the playoffs.
00:05:12Yeah.
00:05:12So I think that that's kind of first on the docket.
00:05:15And to me,
00:05:16that's about,
00:05:17they just got to get more offense.
00:05:18If they do over the last 35 ish games,
00:05:21they should get in.
00:05:22Uh,
00:05:23and then the question is,
00:05:25you know,
00:05:25what is the condition of judge Stanton Bellinger,
00:05:30uh,
00:05:30and freed,
00:05:31um,
00:05:32the Yankees have not publicly addressed,
00:05:35uh,
00:05:35the freed situation.
00:05:37I would be bleak if a guy had a re-injury to an elbow area,
00:05:41uh,
00:05:41that he's going to pitch again this year,
00:05:44but let's like be somewhat,
00:05:46um,
00:05:47uh,
00:05:47cautious and let's hear is this,
00:05:49is this,
00:05:50is there some caution here?
00:05:51Like,
00:05:52Hey,
00:05:52he felt something.
00:05:53We want to get ahead of it.
00:05:54We think shutting it down,
00:05:55some shots,
00:05:57rehab,
00:05:57whatever we'll have them perk up again.
00:06:00Um,
00:06:00I think the Yankees,
00:06:02if they get their offense back,
00:06:03uh,
00:06:04and I'm very dubious about it can survive,
00:06:07not having freed if they get it.
00:06:10But the problem is it Ryan,
00:06:12we talked about this after the deadline.
00:06:15And then again,
00:06:16last week,
00:06:17which is their inability to bring in more pitching from the outside at the
00:06:22deadline meant that they really couldn't take on more injuries.
00:06:26Plus they had to get Rodon and Schmidt back and maybe Luis Hill,
00:06:30you know,
00:06:30we'll see what,
00:06:31what happens there.
00:06:32So they've gone the wrong way there.
00:06:34It's like one step forward.
00:06:35Oh,
00:06:36you got Rodon back.
00:06:37Uh,
00:06:38but it's one step back and they needed,
00:06:40that's the strength of their team.
00:06:42If they were going to get,
00:06:43win multiple rounds of the playoffs,
00:06:45it was going to be about run prevention in that,
00:06:48uh,
00:06:49series against the Braves,
00:06:50uh,
00:06:51where they took two or three.
00:06:53Uh,
00:06:54I think the game they lost,
00:06:55they might've lost one,
00:06:56nothing,
00:06:56but it was a,
00:06:57against a good offense.
00:06:58You saw Cole Schlittler and Freed,
00:07:01uh,
00:07:02and you said,
00:07:03Oh,
00:07:03that's what the playoffs could look like.
00:07:05Where even if the Yanks struggle for some offense,
00:07:08they might be able to starting pitch their way through this.
00:07:10Now I dare say there's like,
00:07:13uh,
00:07:13you can name like six guys or seven guys.
00:07:16The Yankees can't have an injury now to Cole to Schlittler,
00:07:21a regret,
00:07:21you know,
00:07:22a return to injury by Rodon,
00:07:24uh,
00:07:25Weathers,
00:07:26uh,
00:07:27maybe even Warren,
00:07:28because you're going to start like,
00:07:29you know,
00:07:29do you really want to find out if Brendan Beck or Elmer Rodriguez could come
00:07:33back up and get guys out in the major leagues?
00:07:35They're both doing well at triple A.
00:07:37They just didn't seem ready for prime time.
00:07:39At least not yet.
00:07:41They can't have an injury to Bednar.
00:07:43They can't have a hidden injury to Hedrick.
00:07:44They can't have an injury with Blackburn.
00:07:46And the problem is they've really overworked the three guys at the back of
00:07:50their bullpen,
00:07:51especially the two set up guys.
00:07:53Um,
00:07:54and maybe some of the overwork is why you're seeing the worst of Fernando
00:07:57Cruz,
00:07:58uh,
00:07:59also over the last,
00:08:00uh,
00:08:01several weeks,
00:08:01uh,
00:08:03Schlittler is to a place.
00:08:04He's never been in innings.
00:08:05Uh,
00:08:06Weathers is going to be into a place.
00:08:08He's never been in innings.
00:08:09Cole's coming back from Tommy John Rodon's coming back from an elbow injury,
00:08:13you know,
00:08:14like,
00:08:14like the sturdiest guy is Will Warren.
00:08:16Who's the guy who probably deserved to be bounced from the rotation.
00:08:20If they got everyone back healthy.
00:08:22And I think now they're in the danger zone of,
00:08:27of the reminder,
00:08:29you can never have enough pitching,
00:08:31especially enough starting pitching.
00:08:33And if they have one injury to one of their six or seven main guys,
00:08:38now they'll,
00:08:40they,
00:08:40they,
00:08:41and,
00:08:41and this is the offense.
00:08:42They're going to have to crawl to the finish line just to find a way in.
00:08:46Cause they'll sink.
00:08:48Like they,
00:08:48the only reason right,
00:08:50Ryan,
00:08:50I keep running the numbers over since the middle of June.
00:08:53It's about June 18th or 20th.
00:08:54You pick your date when you want to do it.
00:08:57Uh,
00:08:57I'll,
00:08:58I'll give you a roundish number.
00:08:59The Yankees had like a three,
00:09:01two ERA for 52 games,
00:09:04three,
00:09:04two ERA team ERA.
00:09:06It's crazy.
00:09:06That is spectacular for a quarter.
00:09:09That's a third of the season.
00:09:1052,
00:09:1054.
00:09:11Exactly.
00:09:12Is the third.
00:09:12That's the third of the season.
00:09:13And they were four games under 500 with a three,
00:09:17two ERA in those 52 games.
00:09:19And that's because they had the lowest batting average,
00:09:21the lowest on base percentage,
00:09:23and the second fewest runs in that period.
00:09:25They're in like a 50 ish game period.
00:09:28We're like that.
00:09:29We haven't seen anything like this since 1990.
00:09:32Uh,
00:09:32I do encourage you,
00:09:34uh,
00:09:35there,
00:09:35there's a fine,
00:09:37fine,
00:09:38uh,
00:09:39documentary about the 1990 Yankees.
00:09:41If you'd like to find it,
00:09:42Bronx Zoo 90,
00:09:43uh,
00:09:44based on,
00:09:45uh,
00:09:45a series of articles I wrote,
00:09:47uh,
00:09:48and I participated in,
00:09:49uh,
00:09:50you can go,
00:09:51uh,
00:09:51find that out there,
00:09:53uh,
00:09:53on Peacock.
00:09:54If,
00:09:54if you've got it,
00:09:55and the 1990 Yankees was the worst Yankee team,
00:09:58at least off the field,
00:09:59maybe the worst team ever on the field.
00:10:02Uh,
00:10:03they were their worst team since 1913.
00:10:05Uh,
00:10:06so you don't want to be compared to anything with the 1990 Yankees.
00:10:11And that's where the Yankees are with this offense right now.
00:10:14Um,
00:10:15uh,
00:10:15where it's,
00:10:17it's not a game.
00:10:18It's not a week.
00:10:19Uh,
00:10:19they always shorten it where they go a few weeks or a month.
00:10:22It's not a few weeks.
00:10:23It's not a month.
00:10:24it's since the third week of June.
00:10:26If you want to go back even more,
00:10:28you know,
00:10:28Aaron judge went out on May 31st was this last game.
00:10:31So you want to start June 1st.
00:10:32They've been terrible,
00:10:34but they've been really,
00:10:35really terrible since late,
00:10:36like that third week of June,
00:10:38uh,
00:10:38go look the end from the end of the red series onward.
00:10:42Uh,
00:10:43the,
00:10:43the,
00:10:43the offense has been just,
00:10:45I'll use a word unacceptable.
00:10:47Uh,
00:10:48they,
00:10:49they simply cannot land hits.
00:10:51And I think that what this lineup has been exposed to is,
00:10:57especially in a judge list,
00:10:58and maybe even to some degree,
00:10:59a stand list lineup is they're getting challenged.
00:11:04And if the Yankees don't walk and they don't hit the ball over the plate and teams are challenging them,
00:11:10the walk rate in this period is about 5%.
00:11:13You know,
00:11:13with judge playing,
00:11:14it was about 11%.
00:11:15I mean,
00:11:16it's less than half.
00:11:17So they're not getting the free runners.
00:11:19They're not building up pitch counts,
00:11:21uh,
00:11:22in the,
00:11:23in this period.
00:11:24Uh,
00:11:24and their home run rate is made a little over major league average,
00:11:28but not,
00:11:29you know,
00:11:30usually they're a top five home run team,
00:11:31but oftentimes first or second.
00:11:33So they're not hitting it out as much.
00:11:35So they're being challenged over the plate.
00:11:36They're not,
00:11:37they simply can't land base hits.
00:11:39They do not.
00:11:40They're hitting like two Oh five for a quarter of a season.
00:11:45And,
00:11:46uh,
00:11:47the utter lack of batting average in their lineup is killing them.
00:11:54Yeah.
00:11:55Uh,
00:11:55and I'm not exactly like they desperately need Bellinger to get back,
00:11:59but that still feels closer to September 1st.
00:12:03Then,
00:12:03then,
00:12:04you know,
00:12:04like 10 days,
00:12:05then a week from now.
00:12:06I mean,
00:12:06what are we August 18th?
00:12:08So like sometime I would assume in the next like eight to 12 days,
00:12:12he'll be back.
00:12:13Yeah.
00:12:13He's supposed to start a rehab on Thursday,
00:12:15according to Boone.
00:12:16Uh,
00:12:17and then from there,
00:12:18obviously you'll see,
00:12:19but I will say this about Bellinger.
00:12:21He was struggling,
00:12:22uh,
00:12:24without the protection of judge in that line.
00:12:26I'd still rather have him on in the lineup because of pedigree and on the
00:12:31field,
00:12:31because look,
00:12:33uh,
00:12:33a big part of run prevention just went away.
00:12:36Max Freed is one of the 10 or 15 best starting pitchers in baseball.
00:12:41Uh,
00:12:42and so you're hurting your run prevention.
00:12:44Bellinger is just a good baseball player.
00:12:46And one of the places,
00:12:46good baseball player is defensively.
00:12:48Uh,
00:12:49and so you,
00:12:50you,
00:12:50you know,
00:12:50he's a good base runner,
00:12:51uh,
00:12:52at his best.
00:12:53He'll draw some walks.
00:12:54He'll take deep accounts.
00:12:56Like they desperately need him,
00:12:58but obviously the guy they desperately need is judge,
00:13:01but it's just a blight on the whole rest of the team that the absence of
00:13:08judge,
00:13:09I get it.
00:13:10He's the most valuable player in the American league three times.
00:13:13Right.
00:13:13In his career,
00:13:14uh,
00:13:15the last two years,
00:13:16his value probably has never been shown greater than not playing even more
00:13:21than playing,
00:13:22but you can't,
00:13:24there's no crying in baseball.
00:13:26You know,
00:13:26the team across town spent a lot of this year without Francisco Lindor,
00:13:30then spent a lot of the year without Juan Soto.
00:13:33So maybe we should give the Yankees some credit.
00:13:35They've stayed somewhat above water without their guy.
00:13:37I think they're 33 and 32 without judge.
00:13:40So they actually are one game over 500 in that period.
00:13:44But this,
00:13:44this offense has just been unacceptable.
00:13:47The at-bats are bad.
00:13:48They're quick.
00:13:49There's no duress on the opposing pitcher.
00:13:52Um,
00:13:53yeah,
00:13:54it's just not acceptable.
00:13:56Yeah,
00:13:56no,
00:13:56look,
00:13:56not acceptable is a great way to put it.
00:13:58I do want to dive into the offense a little bit,
00:14:00but I want to keep,
00:14:01keep on the point that you talked about with Max Fried and the impact of this
00:14:04rotation and what they were planning to do with that bullpen going forward.
00:14:07Right?
00:14:08So again,
00:14:08to reemphasize what Joel is saying here as well,
00:14:10even if you go back to June 1st,
00:14:12when Joel,
00:14:13when judge went down or may 31st,
00:14:14since then,
00:14:15just in the last 30 days,
00:14:17if you wanted to keep it there,
00:14:18the Yankees have the 29th worst OPS 629 in all baseball.
00:14:23They're first in ERA at 2.84 in the last 30 days,
00:14:27they've only won 15 of 27 games in those 30 days.
00:14:32So like Joel's saying,
00:14:33they're keeping their head above water,
00:14:34but like that it's the offense.
00:14:37That's really dragging this team down.
00:14:39If I could just jump in for two things here,
00:14:41Ryan on that,
00:14:42because I'm glad you even accentuated the numbers short term,
00:14:45but I do think it's a longer term problem,
00:14:47but the short term problem.
00:14:48Number one,
00:14:49you'll never know,
00:14:50right?
00:14:51Like Max Fried had preexisting injury.
00:14:53Maybe he was going to be hurt no matter what,
00:14:55but the Yankees do not throw a stress free pitch.
00:14:58They're never winning a game six to nothing or six to one.
00:15:02These games,
00:15:03even the ones they win are one,
00:15:04nothing,
00:15:04one,
00:15:05one,
00:15:05two,
00:15:05one.
00:15:05This is like,
00:15:06they're dragged into extra innings all the time.
00:15:08So the best of their pitches are throwing every pitch under extreme duress.
00:15:15I mean,
00:15:17extreme duress.
00:15:19There,
00:15:19there is no like,
00:15:20Hey,
00:15:20we're bringing in our mop up guy to clean up the 11,
00:15:24one lead.
00:15:24They just never have that.
00:15:27And so they've spent now most of two months fighting for their lives in
00:15:33winnable games.
00:15:34Like I had a friend of mine say like,
00:15:37why is Boone bringing in X one of the better relievers?
00:15:40And I'm like with a three run lead,
00:15:43shouldn't this be a moment where he backs off of the guy?
00:15:46And I'm like,
00:15:47right.
00:15:47But here's the problem is if a runner or two gets on base,
00:15:50he's going to warm up bed,
00:15:51nor hedrick,
00:15:51whoever.
00:15:51And the one thing he has to do is when a game could be won,
00:15:56he has to go seize the moment and win it because they just are in duress all
00:16:01the time.
00:16:01And so you're overusing your bullpen.
00:16:04I understand why I,
00:16:06in the period I was talking about that late June period till now,
00:16:11uh,
00:16:12hedrick had been in like the most games and black burn had thrown the most
00:16:16relief innings,
00:16:18by the way,
00:16:18you know,
00:16:19who's never pitched a full season as major league relievers,
00:16:22Brett hedrick and Paul blackburn.
00:16:24So like,
00:16:24like,
00:16:25and,
00:16:25and by the way,
00:16:26I understand why Boone and Matt Blake are doing it.
00:16:29It's like,
00:16:30Hey,
00:16:31I get it.
00:16:32I guess I don't want to run my running,
00:16:34my running back into the line over and over,
00:16:36but we got to get this.
00:16:38We're always one yard short of a first down.
00:16:40I've got to get the first down.
00:16:42We've got to keep the ball.
00:16:43Like that's what it feels like here.
00:16:45The other thing is if the Yankee offense for the last two months had been
00:16:50bad,
00:16:51they might be in first place.
00:16:53Yes.
00:16:54Just bad,
00:16:55just bad,
00:16:55but they're awful.
00:16:56It was like 5% below average 10%.
00:17:00Like,
00:17:01like if it was bad,
00:17:02they might be in first place because the pitching has been so good.
00:17:07Yeah.
00:17:07If they had average say four runs per game in this period,
00:17:14instead of low threes,
00:17:16they'd have four or five,
00:17:19six more wins probably.
00:17:20And we'd be talking,
00:17:21Hey,
00:17:21them in Tampa Bay,
00:17:22they're dancing it together.
00:17:24Hey,
00:17:24they heard along the way,
00:17:26pick the team.
00:17:26They've helped along the way,
00:17:28the white socks,
00:17:29the twins,
00:17:30the blue Jays,
00:17:31the red socks,
00:17:32like any place along the way,
00:17:33they just throw them 20 more runs over the last two months.
00:17:38They'd be okay.
00:17:40At bad.
00:17:41Forget about average.
00:17:42They'd probably be in first place.
00:17:45And so it's killing them.
00:17:50And here's the shame.
00:17:52I think they,
00:17:53the veteran should feel.
00:17:54And I don't think it's close.
00:17:58George Lombard Jr.
00:17:59has played 10 games.
00:18:01His at bats are better than everybody's on the team.
00:18:04And by the way,
00:18:05it's not really close.
00:18:06No,
00:18:07he,
00:18:07he,
00:18:08he goes line to line.
00:18:10He has a little pop.
00:18:12He's not afraid to hit with two strikes.
00:18:14He drags long at bats.
00:18:16I mean,
00:18:16everything that in this miserable period,
00:18:18everything about him has been super impressive.
00:18:22And again,
00:18:23there'll be adaptation,
00:18:24like what can he handle,
00:18:26but,
00:18:26but he has laid down some bricks to suggest he's going to be a very good
00:18:29baseball player.
00:18:30And he's been like,
00:18:33they've won games,
00:18:34the games they've won when he's been around,
00:18:36he's been at the center of it.
00:18:38And he's,
00:18:39and,
00:18:39and I'll even give you a little one that I noticed.
00:18:41I just put it into my,
00:18:42my online column that would comes out tomorrow morning.
00:18:46Have you noticed the Yankees turned double plays again?
00:18:49Oh yeah.
00:18:51Like,
00:18:51so I,
00:18:52I did the numbers.
00:18:53I'm going to do it real quick for you.
00:18:54So he's played a hundred innings.
00:18:57He's put a hundred innings.
00:18:59They've,
00:19:00he's been involved.
00:19:01He's touched the ball on a double play 12 times in a hundred innings.
00:19:04So that's a double play every eight innings.
00:19:07Basically.
00:19:08Before that in a thousand seven and two third innings,
00:19:12they turned 67 double plays with a shortstop,
00:19:14touch the ball.
00:19:1567 out of a thousand Joel.
00:19:17You just said a thousand.
00:19:19So that's one every 15 innings.
00:19:21So they're getting twice as many double plays pretty much when he plays as
00:19:26when Volpe,
00:19:29Caballero,
00:19:30a little Max Schumann,
00:19:31a little Ryan McMahon,
00:19:32that's played shortstop.
00:19:33But it's amazing when you have like,
00:19:36again,
00:19:37the utter nonsense,
00:19:38the Yankees spewed for so long about the having and,
00:19:42and,
00:19:42and the metrics please with the metrics that the shortstops were good.
00:19:46We're like watching the games.
00:19:48Here's one.
00:19:48I'll give you metrics.
00:19:49Can I give you a metric?
00:19:50Yeah.
00:19:51Look,
00:19:52I'm glad they exist.
00:19:53I'm glad they try to help us whatever,
00:19:55but I feel like with the Mets and Yankees,
00:19:58I like watch them both play pretty much whole games every day.
00:20:02Uh,
00:20:03jazz Chisholm.
00:20:05If you look on the Savant page,
00:20:08which I believe is outs,
00:20:10uh,
00:20:10above average,
00:20:11above average.
00:20:12uh,
00:20:12yeah.
00:20:13Right.
00:20:13I think he is fourth.
00:20:16Like he's tied with Nico Horner at like plus seven or plus nine.
00:20:20Right.
00:20:21If you look at defensive runs saved,
00:20:24just another metric,
00:20:25he's minus seven or nine.
00:20:28I forget which numbers were,
00:20:30which,
00:20:30and he's like tied for second worst in the major league.
00:20:34So there's a 16 run gap there basically.
00:20:37And so I could either go with whatever your metric of the day is like the flavor of the day,
00:20:44or I could tell you,
00:20:45we watch it.
00:20:46And you could tell me Anthony Volpe was plus whatever defensively at shortstop.
00:20:51And I'm like,
00:20:52yeah,
00:20:52no way.
00:20:54No shot.
00:20:55No way.
00:20:56You got to make all the double plays that are obvious.
00:20:58He couldn't.
00:20:59You got to be able to go in the hole and make a routine backhand play.
00:21:04He couldn't.
00:21:04He was on the ground way too much.
00:21:06Caballero was a little was better,
00:21:08but a little too sloppy.
00:21:09This guy,
00:21:10you're getting the best of both worlds.
00:21:12He's not sloppy and he can make the above average play.
00:21:15He's got a real short stops arm.
00:21:17He knows how to feed a ball on a double play to get it,
00:21:21that kinetic chain going.
00:21:23And he's been the bright spot in this.
00:21:27I would even say this.
00:21:29It's not been the same,
00:21:30but like the second best at bats on the team might be by Spencer Jones.
00:21:35Because one thing that Jones does is even when he strikes out,
00:21:39it's three and two all the time.
00:21:40He knows a ball from a strike.
00:21:42He obviously has lots of places in the zone.
00:21:45Pitchers could go to get him.
00:21:47But when he hits the ball,
00:21:48he really hits the ball.
00:21:49He's doesn't seem afraid.
00:21:51He hasn't really given on lefties.
00:21:53There's it's,
00:21:54it's not been as impressive as Lombard,
00:21:56but like,
00:21:57like if the Yankees were hitting and Spencer Jones was hitting eighth and
00:22:01George Lombard was hitting ninth and you were getting what those two guys
00:22:05are bringing right now,
00:22:07you'd be like,
00:22:08wow,
00:22:08that's an interesting rookie duo.
00:22:11Instead,
00:22:11they're hitting near the top of the order.
00:22:13These two guys are justifiably because there's failure.
00:22:18Every place else,
00:22:19those two guys and like awesome crazy.
00:22:21Austin Wells are having pretty good at bats.
00:22:24Besides that,
00:22:25every once in a while you get a big at bat from Grisham.
00:22:27Every once in a while,
00:22:28you get something from McMahon,
00:22:30but it's just not,
00:22:32you know,
00:22:32Rice went into it for a long period of time where I think the long season and
00:22:37the weight started to weigh on him and,
00:22:39or pitchers figured out some places to go because the strikeouts are way up.
00:22:43So I don't know if it's mental,
00:22:44physical exhaustion or combination of both,
00:22:47but it was weighing on him.
00:22:50It's just up and down the lineup.
00:22:52You can't have where your two rookies are.
00:22:55Are the guys having your best at bats.
00:22:58It's,
00:22:58it's shameful for the veterans.
00:23:01Yeah.
00:23:01I mean,
00:23:01look last week,
00:23:02I think it was Wednesday's game when it was the Yankees were down five,
00:23:06four Spencer Jones puts together one of the best at bats.
00:23:10I think I've seen all season long,
00:23:11maybe not judge related,
00:23:13but like,
00:23:13I just,
00:23:14I was in the moment,
00:23:15Joel,
00:23:15and I'm like,
00:23:15that was a professional at bat.
00:23:17That's something the Yankees have been lacking.
00:23:19That's good at bats.
00:23:19They end in strikeouts a lot.
00:23:21There's,
00:23:22you know,
00:23:22it's a,
00:23:23he's got holes in his swing.
00:23:24We knew that like he,
00:23:25that's,
00:23:25that's so.
00:23:26So the question is always,
00:23:27what do you counter things with?
00:23:29So I'm just to use an example,
00:23:31cause I was looking at rookie classes today.
00:23:33Cause the Mets have such an interesting rookie class.
00:23:35So I was look,
00:23:36the white socks do also.
00:23:38And Murakami teams were really,
00:23:41really concerned about Murakami coming over.
00:23:44What position is he going to play?
00:23:47And could he handle it?
00:23:48And he was going to strike out too much.
00:23:49And so the white socks put him at first base.
00:23:53He's pretty good first baseman.
00:23:55And he strikes out a lot.
00:23:57He strikes out about 33% of the time,
00:23:59but he counters it by walking over 17% of the time.
00:24:04He's second behind.
00:24:05He's a lot like Kyle Schwarber.
00:24:07He's second in the majors in what he's like Schwarber.
00:24:10He walks a lot.
00:24:11He strikes out a lot.
00:24:12He homers a lot.
00:24:13The best version of Spencer Jones does those three things as well.
00:24:18He'll walk a lot.
00:24:18He'll strike out a lot.
00:24:20He'll homer a lot with the fringe benefit that he's a good athlete and will,
00:24:24I think,
00:24:24run the base as well.
00:24:25He's gotten some,
00:24:26not just stolen bases,
00:24:27but some big stolen bases and key moments for them.
00:24:30He does not seem to read the ball.
00:24:32Great.
00:24:33But he has like,
00:24:35it doesn't look like he's moving fast in the outfield,
00:24:38but he is because the strides are so long.
00:24:40So he covers some ground out there and he has a well above average arm.
00:24:44And so there's some stuff to like,
00:24:46like again,
00:24:47if they were playing well and he's hitting eight,
00:24:52and this is how you're breaking him into the major leagues,
00:24:55because all your weightlifters are making it easy to be like,
00:24:58Hey,
00:24:59we'd like to see Spencer Jones get 250 straight plate appearances and see what
00:25:02that looks like.
00:25:03Like the growth does the league catch up where he becomes unplayable.
00:25:07I mean,
00:25:07and that is a possibility also like he might,
00:25:09the league might keep adjusting and the strikeout rate will be 40% and you
00:25:13can't live with it,
00:25:14but it's interesting.
00:25:17And it would be really interesting and helpful for them.
00:25:20If the veterans were doing their jobs and allowing him to kind of apprentice
00:25:26into this a little bit,
00:25:27instead there's this giant weight that has fallen on the two guys with the
00:25:33least experience in the lineup.
00:25:34It's crazy,
00:25:35Joel,
00:25:35how we got into this position here.
00:25:38I do want to continue.
00:25:39I want to talk about the offense,
00:25:40but I,
00:25:41I have to talk about this rotation and the bullpen,
00:25:44right?
00:25:45So look,
00:25:46the plan all along was for Rodon and Schmidt to come back,
00:25:49like you said,
00:25:49and then you would make your decisions about whether's and Warren in the
00:25:52backend.
00:25:53Now,
00:25:53what they're currently dealing with with three being out on the aisle for who
00:25:56knows how long whether it's just pitched incredibly the best you probably
00:26:00have ever seen in his career right now.
00:26:02And this current stretch,
00:26:03he's,
00:26:03he's with the Yankees.
00:26:05So I guess my question is Joel down the line.
00:26:08I don't think the Yankees are going to fall out of the playoff just because
00:26:11they built themselves a cushion,
00:26:12a big enough cushion,
00:26:13and they should get Bellinger back and we'll see about Stan.
00:26:16I have no idea about judge.
00:26:17We'll get into that later,
00:26:18but how do they make this work?
00:26:21Does weather's earn himself a spot in that playoff rotation,
00:26:26or is it more like,
00:26:27Hey,
00:26:27we got to see what Rodon is.
00:26:29And that that's his spot as the third pitcher.
00:26:31If he can show that he could be Carlos Rodon here down the stretch,
00:26:35like how does that work?
00:26:37And does the bullpen kind of just have to survive in advance right now
00:26:41because they took a big hit.
00:26:43The fact that those reinforcements might not be coming with the freed
00:26:47injury.
00:26:48Yeah.
00:26:49Look,
00:26:49I still,
00:26:50I,
00:26:50you,
00:26:50you know,
00:26:51my normal line with Brian,
00:26:52we've done this for several years now.
00:26:54Like these things tend to answer themselves.
00:26:56The answer,
00:26:57the Yankees simply can have,
00:26:58and I don't mean to be redundant as they just can't take on any more
00:27:01water.
00:27:01They can't have another injury.
00:27:04I believe the plan all along,
00:27:08and it is,
00:27:09it's why it's so hard to make plans with pitching was that by this time,
00:27:15Ryan Weathers would be the power lefty in the bullpen.
00:27:18Paul,
00:27:19Carlos Legrande would be the power righty that in certain situations,
00:27:23maybe if they show the aptitude at it,
00:27:26the,
00:27:26one of those guys might even close a little bit.
00:27:30We're never going to get there.
00:27:31I don't know.
00:27:32I,
00:27:32well,
00:27:32I,
00:27:33I think like,
00:27:34so Legrande,
00:27:35like I've not heard a word.
00:27:36So I'm going to assume he's out for the year and not going to be a
00:27:41factor learning to do something new with it,
00:27:44with an injury.
00:27:44So I think they're not going to like be like,
00:27:46Hey,
00:27:47let's put a heavy workload on his arm now,
00:27:49the rest of the way.
00:27:49Cause I think they're going to try to think big picture with him.
00:27:54Which by the way,
00:27:55if he were,
00:27:56if you think he's going to be healthy,
00:27:58I always call bullshit on that.
00:28:00Like I lived through the job of rules,
00:28:03like pictures,
00:28:04the pictures who are going to break,
00:28:05are going to break.
00:28:06You should use them when you have them.
00:28:08I have a,
00:28:09I think more and more teams are,
00:28:11and I think the Yankees are,
00:28:12this are enlightened where they don't have innings limits.
00:28:16They test these guys.
00:28:18They,
00:28:18you know,
00:28:18they're on force plates all the time.
00:28:20Their agility is being tested.
00:28:21Their range of motion is being tested.
00:28:23They're letting modernity and science tell them if a pitcher is having
00:28:26problems.
00:28:27And they're hoping that pictures of being honest where they're saying,
00:28:29you know,
00:28:29I'm,
00:28:30I'm really tired.
00:28:31I can use a day.
00:28:32Yeah.
00:28:32And you trust them because you know,
00:28:33they're gamers.
00:28:35And if they say they need a day,
00:28:36they need a day.
00:28:37So I think you have to keep weathers in the rotation,
00:28:42as long as he's fresh.
00:28:43And look,
00:28:44I think you have to just go by what's happening.
00:28:48He's looked better at this point with 130 innings on his arm or wherever
00:28:53he's at than at any point this year.
00:28:55So like,
00:28:56will 140 break them?
00:28:58150?
00:28:58Maybe there's a number that breaks them,
00:29:00but he,
00:29:01right now,
00:29:03he's having like really high fortitude starts because again,
00:29:08he's getting no run support.
00:29:10So he's out there having to throw zeros and ones to keep his team in the
00:29:15game.
00:29:15And for about four or five starts here in particular,
00:29:19as he's become more of a ground ball pitcher.
00:29:21And by the way,
00:29:22he has a shortstop who gets them outs when there's ground balls,
00:29:26by the way,
00:29:27which hurt the team and hurt the pitching staff.
00:29:30I can't keep emphasizing this enough that either the Yankees are inept and
00:29:35don't know what a major league shortstop looks like,
00:29:37or they lied to us.
00:29:38You would decide,
00:29:39would you rather call me call you a liar or an idiot?
00:29:42I guess,
00:29:42because I can't believe they were watching that and believing that would be
00:29:46acceptable to get them a championship.
00:29:52But yeah,
00:29:53I,
00:29:54I think you've got to leave them in the rotation and you'll,
00:29:57you'll hope that if it's Warren who ultimately comes out of the
00:30:01rotation,
00:30:01and I'm not exactly sure how that happens now.
00:30:05But if he,
00:30:05unless it's a playoff series and you go from five to four,
00:30:08obviously,
00:30:09but,
00:30:09but if Reed isn't coming back,
00:30:13then this is your rotation.
00:30:15And then,
00:30:16you know,
00:30:17this was what I was saying right after the deadline,
00:30:20Ryan,
00:30:21which is Clark Schmitt's coming back from an injury.
00:30:24He's just going to be able to throw two or three times a week out of the
00:30:27bullpen.
00:30:27Maybe they just shut him down.
00:30:29It doesn't work.
00:30:30There is no,
00:30:31there's nothing else.
00:30:32Didn't they just shut him down for like a week because he was dealing with
00:30:34like something in his arm.
00:30:36And now he's going back to throwing again.
00:30:38Like it's they,
00:30:40they,
00:30:40they,
00:30:41they,
00:30:42they are right on the borderline to me.
00:30:47Of one more of these.
00:30:50And they're going to be your,
00:30:52you know,
00:30:53Yankee fans going to go crazy because there's just going to be a lot of days
00:30:56where the game's on the line and Yuri De La Santos or Ryan Yarborough or
00:31:01Bradley Hanner are going to have to be in the game.
00:31:06And I assume they're going to lose a good portion of those.
00:31:10And this is why I say,
00:31:11you know,
00:31:12you could say they're comfortably in a wildcard spot.
00:31:14You know what they are?
00:31:15They're comfortably,
00:31:16you're comfortably in a wildcard spot until you're not.
00:31:21And you're,
00:31:22you,
00:31:22you,
00:31:23you know,
00:31:23you lose the wrong amount of games in a row.
00:31:25The,
00:31:25another team wins it.
00:31:27They,
00:31:27they are not clear and safe yet.
00:31:30They're clear and safe ish because it's like eight games.
00:31:35And because that pool of American league teams that are below them and
00:31:40Boston,
00:31:41let's say the Boston has started to take on some water before they won big
00:31:45last night.
00:31:45But,
00:31:46but let's say the Yankees most of that other thing has been a pool of just
00:31:50around 500 and under.
00:31:52Nobody has shown the sustainability to get to six,
00:31:54seven,
00:31:55eight,
00:31:55nine over.
00:31:57But I'm not positive that with one more pitching,
00:32:00injury.
00:32:00If the offense doesn't get better,
00:32:02the Yankees don't start sinking towards 500.
00:32:05It's like,
00:32:06like the offenses.
00:32:07I mean,
00:32:08I'm just,
00:32:09I lived through it.
00:32:10Right.
00:32:10Ryan.
00:32:11I can't,
00:32:12can't,
00:32:12I think I've told the story before.
00:32:13Can I tell a story?
00:32:14Yeah.
00:32:15Uh,
00:32:16anyone who listens to this regularly,
00:32:18thank you.
00:32:19Uh,
00:32:20and knows one of the people I cite all the time for being very helpful in my
00:32:23career is gene stick.
00:32:25Michael gene stick.
00:32:26Michael takes over as the general manager of those terrible,
00:32:29terrible,
00:32:30terrible,
00:32:30terrible 1990 Yankees in August,
00:32:34end of August.
00:32:35George Steinbrenner is suspended as supposed to be for life.
00:32:37It ends up being for two and a half years,
00:32:39I believe.
00:32:40Um,
00:32:40and he puts the one guy who's been in his sphere over and over in
00:32:46different things,
00:32:48manager,
00:32:49GM,
00:32:50special assignments got,
00:32:52but he trusts gene Michael.
00:32:53So he puts gene Michael in charge as he exits.
00:32:56And stick is,
00:32:57is important to why you and I are doing this show is just about anyone over
00:33:02the years because the Yankees have been a highly successful team since
00:33:061993.
00:33:06They haven't had a losing season.
00:33:09Uh,
00:33:10this is pretty much unprecedented in the history of sports to be this good
00:33:14for this long,
00:33:15where you're never out of the race,
00:33:17any of these years.
00:33:18And stick kind of began to put this together and stick and I knew each
00:33:23other,
00:33:23uh,
00:33:24cause I started covering the beat the year before in 89.
00:33:28Uh,
00:33:28and in 90,
00:33:29he was nice enough old Yankee stadium.
00:33:31The GM's office was right behind the press box.
00:33:34He goes,
00:33:35he went like this to me,
00:33:35Joel,
00:33:35come in here a second.
00:33:37And this is 1990.
00:33:39We are more than a decade and about a decade and a half away from money
00:33:44ball.
00:33:45Okay.
00:33:46And stick Michael picks up a piece of paper and begins to run his finger
00:33:51down a line of stats.
00:33:54And he goes,
00:33:55look at this.
00:33:55He goes,
00:33:57Alvaro Espinosa,
00:33:59two 68,
00:34:00uh,
00:34:01Mel Hall,
00:34:02two 75,
00:34:03Steve Balboni,
00:34:04two,
00:34:04whatever,
00:34:05Jesse Barfield,
00:34:06two,
00:34:06whatever.
00:34:06And I'm looking and I'm like,
00:34:08I know it's not batting average.
00:34:09He goes,
00:34:10this is the on base percentage for all these guys.
00:34:13Again,
00:34:13not something in 1990,
00:34:16we were still the batting champion was the guy who led the major leagues in
00:34:20batting average.
00:34:21That was the be all end all batting average.
00:34:24Don't strike out,
00:34:25get like,
00:34:26get hit.
00:34:27And he goes,
00:34:27Joel,
00:34:28this is a reflection.
00:34:29We make it too easy on the opponent.
00:34:32We have too many seven and eight pitch innings to start.
00:34:35And back then relief pitching.
00:34:37Isn't what it was.
00:34:38Now,
00:34:38if you were a middle reliever,
00:34:39you were a failure in a lot of ways.
00:34:41You were being kept around as somebody had a pitch when your starter
00:34:44couldn't get to the seventh,
00:34:45eighth or ninth inning and your closer couldn't get in the game,
00:34:48but it wasn't like they were paying money for the guy pitching in the
00:34:51fifth,
00:34:51sixth,
00:34:52seventh inning.
00:34:52He goes,
00:34:52we make it too easy on the opposing pitcher.
00:34:57He goes,
00:34:58I have to figure out how to make it tough on it.
00:35:03And his first group was not a group that will be remembered greatly by a lot
00:35:08of Yankee fans,
00:35:09but guys like Mike Stanley and Mike Gallego.
00:35:12And ultimately he turns Roberto Kelly,
00:35:14who was a good player,
00:35:16but didn't get on base enough into Paul O'Neill.
00:35:18And he protects and brings up Bernie Williams.
00:35:21Like that group started to be Rick down,
00:35:26became the hitting coach.
00:35:27He was very much a turn every at bat into a holy war.
00:35:31Make sure they throw a lot of pitches to get you out.
00:35:35It's gotta be over.
00:35:35And the Yankees,
00:35:37if you remember John Smoltz in the 1996,
00:35:40I wrote a book about the 96 team,
00:35:4310 years later.
00:35:43And I interviewed John Smoltz and Smoltz lost a one,
00:35:47nothing game to Andy Pettit in game five of the world series in 96.
00:35:51He drew like 130 pitches to give up one run.
00:35:55And he said to me,
00:35:57Oh,
00:35:58then the Yankees,
00:35:59the team that didn't swing.
00:36:01And his point was,
00:36:02they just made every at bat a holy war.
00:36:05And it was like,
00:36:06you've got to come over the plate.
00:36:08And if you come over the plate,
00:36:09we're going to do damage.
00:36:11And this group of Yankees for a quarter of the season,
00:36:15remind me of the 1990 Yankees.
00:36:17And that is not a positive comparison.
00:36:20Like if you ran your finger down that line of on-base percentage
00:36:25and batting average for the last 50-ish games,
00:36:29you would see numbers that are so appalling.
00:36:32And it is no longer,
00:36:34it's not a giant sample size,
00:36:35but you can't say it's a small sample size.
00:36:37It's a third of a season.
00:36:40It is unacceptable.
00:36:42And the Yankees have to either kind of refine that savages in the box thing.
00:36:48And I continue to believe they've never really replaced the energy and passion of Brett Gardner in any way for
00:36:54guys to be on each other at a level where this would just be so unacceptable.
00:37:01And they would have to challenge themselves that the at-bat is a holy war and you can't let the
00:37:11pitcher get away this easy inning after inning.
00:37:13Their numbers in the first inning without Judge are stark.
00:37:18Awful.
00:37:19They've scored, they've played, they've played more games without Judge than with Judge and have half as many runs in
00:37:25the first inning as they did when Judge played.
00:37:28It's not, it's just unacceptable is the line, a word I keep coming back to.
00:37:32Well, it's crazy, Joel, that it feels very much like 2023 again, where this lineup has just, it falls on
00:37:39itself because it can't get over the fact that obviously the MVP is out of the lineup.
00:37:43I mean, I understand Bellinger and Stanton are out as well, but Bellinger was, again, like I'll say this again,
00:37:49he was not doing well when Judge went out with the injury.
00:37:52So, I'll take his at-bats, obviously, because he does provide, hopefully, some more quality ABs than what you're seeing
00:37:58right now.
00:37:58But I think what's alarming is that Jazz Chisholm, Trent Grisham, Ben Rice, Heliot Ramos, these guys, Ryan McMahon, they're
00:38:09not providing any quality at-bats like you're saying.
00:38:12And they're not making the pitchers work.
00:38:14And I just wonder, is this a system thing?
00:38:19Is there something the coaching staff, just their sole focus is home run or walk?
00:38:25But they're not even getting the walks, right?
00:38:27Like, I just don't see the approach there, Joel, where, like, how can you watch which, like, if you're the,
00:38:33I understand it.
00:38:34Like, they're probably ripping their hair out, Boone, Rousen, all those guys were like, we've got to get better at
00:38:40-bats from these guys.
00:38:41But I wonder if it's also the point where it's not registering with them, and they're just not taking the
00:38:46information in that they're giving them and saying,
00:38:48Oh, I think that, I think that, first of all, I just think they have a lot of low-batting
00:38:52average guys in the lineup that gets covered up when Bellinger and Stanton are playing, who are high-batting average
00:39:00guys.
00:39:00And, I'm sorry, Bellinger and Judge are playing because they're high-batting average guys.
00:39:05And, Judge and Stanton are homer guys.
00:39:08Like, that's mascara.
00:39:10It's covering things.
00:39:11It's makeup.
00:39:13Like, this is no different, and we've seen it exploited in the playoffs, where you get past four or five,
00:39:19and you're like, who's going to get a hit here?
00:39:22Like, the other team is not using its 12th best pitcher.
00:39:26You're getting all the best pitchers.
00:39:28The scouting reports are followed more closely.
00:39:30And, you have too many guys at the bottom of the lineup who just are not going to do it.
00:39:35Now, the exchange often, at least in the regular season, was, oh, Ryan McMahon's going to hit 200 and strike
00:39:44out 30-whatever percent of the time.
00:39:46But, he's going to hit 20 homers.
00:39:48Austin Wells is, actually, I still think Austin Wells should not hit 200.
00:39:51I think Austin Wells should hit, but let's whatever.
00:39:54But, especially playing in Yankees, he's going to hit 25 homers.
00:39:57That's not going to happen this year.
00:39:59So, like, there's homers left.
00:40:02They've left.
00:40:03You know, Jazz Chisholm is going to hit 30-something homers.
00:40:07That's not going to happen.
00:40:11Grisham's home run number fell from last year to this year.
00:40:15So, they're not getting the homers.
00:40:18They don't have the batting average protection of the guys who bring batting average.
00:40:22And so, I just think that there's been a cascade that's affected everyone.
00:40:26That being said, there are just a lot of bad at bats.
00:40:33And I think Jazz leads the brigade.
00:40:36And I said this on the podcast I do with our pal John Heyman.
00:40:42I said it on your show last week.
00:40:44I just – and Boone went to Caballero right on right starter against Dylan Cease on Sunday.
00:40:51I just think Jazz has lost the right to play every day if you tell me that there is a
00:40:57–
00:40:57because what I can't hear anymore is, well, he can carry a team for –
00:41:02you've got to get him hot because he can carry a team.
00:41:04Well, you're 130 games into the season.
00:41:07Ryan, I dare say if we went back to a couple of shows I did before the season
00:41:13and we did a, like, what worries you about the team,
00:41:15if you remember, one of the things I said was I would really worry in Jazz Chisholm's walk year
00:41:22where he's already talked so openly and bluntly about how much money he is expecting.
00:41:26And it's so front of mind, a big deal, and he's a showy player to start with,
00:41:31that he might talk himself into a 200 average and 200 strikeouts.
00:41:35I remember talking about it with you on the air.
00:41:37Like – and I think that's happened.
00:41:40Like, whatever talent he has has been lost here.
00:41:46And there's a – and when people go, well, you know, he still has 15 homers and 30 steals.
00:41:54I'm like, this is the emptiest box score.
00:41:57Like, this is the guy who scores 20 and 10.
00:42:00This is so Steve Francis, Stephen Marbury.
00:42:03Yeah.
00:42:03Like, what did it have to do with winning kind of numbers?
00:42:08And I'm like – and again, you know, the defensive metrics.
00:42:12Do you want to look at outs above average?
00:42:13Do you want to look at DRS?
00:42:14Do you want to watch the game?
00:42:15You've said it.
00:42:16He just hasn't been a good – whatever his talent is,
00:42:18he hasn't been a good baseball player this year.
00:42:21And he was never a technically great baseball player.
00:42:24So, if it's not the talent flourishing, then you have very little.
00:42:30It becomes a detriment.
00:42:31And I just think, like, whatever is in Caballero's imperfections,
00:42:38playing – I think he's a really good second baseman.
00:42:41Really good.
00:42:42So, you get that.
00:42:44He gives you some threats on the bases.
00:42:47I mean, we had a situation again recently where,
00:42:49at least for the second time this year,
00:42:52Jazz got picked off first base while playing with his sliding.
00:42:56Unbelievable.
00:42:56I mean, at some point –
00:42:57Yeah.
00:42:57At some point, I do think, like, this is a Boone coaching issue also,
00:43:01where you just have to say, dude, like, I get it.
00:43:05He wears a contraption where, with the pitch clock,
00:43:08there's not enough time to do it.
00:43:10Here's my thought.
00:43:12Don't wear the contraption or, on the first pitch,
00:43:18stand on first base and don't put yourself in harm's way
00:43:20until the contraption's on your hand.
00:43:22I don't see how this is difficult.
00:43:25It's a lack of focus, Joel.
00:43:27It's a lack of focus.
00:43:28Who else in the major leagues?
00:43:30We have hundreds of players.
00:43:31Who else is getting picked off?
00:43:32Like, it's showy for no real –
00:43:35Like, what is the sliding glove except for, like,
00:43:38I have the most complicated sliding glove in the major leagues.
00:43:40Look at me.
00:43:41It's – you can't –
00:43:43And this is a team that can't give away outs.
00:43:46Right?
00:43:46Like, Judge covers for –
00:43:49We saw it in 2024.
00:43:50The Yankees were a horrible fundamental team.
00:43:53Horrible.
00:43:54But they had Judge and Soto,
00:43:57and in the playoffs, the best of Stanton.
00:44:00And so they had three guys who batted 15 times a game,
00:44:04and good luck getting through that without giving up four or five runs.
00:44:07It made everything life easier for everyone else
00:44:10where no one had to feel like a weightlifter.
00:44:12And they covered all the blemishes.
00:44:15And they actually got to the World Series
00:44:16because they got a gimme AL playoffs against two –
00:44:20AL Central teams who I think both had losing records
00:44:22if you took out what they were against the 119-loss White Sox.
00:44:27Yeah.
00:44:27Okay?
00:44:27So they got a gimme run to the postseason,
00:44:30and they had guys who covered up their lack of –
00:44:32This team has to dot the I's, cross the T's,
00:44:37got to play close to perfect.
00:44:38But that should be the goal anyway,
00:44:41even when you have the weightlifters.
00:44:42And when you're doing things like getting over-sliding bases regularly,
00:44:48playing with batting with sliding gloves,
00:44:52it's the antithesis of good baseball in the best of times,
00:44:56in the worst of offensive times.
00:44:58I'll use the word again.
00:44:59It's unacceptable.
00:45:02It's multiple years of this, Joel,
00:45:03and a lot of it's been covered up.
00:45:04And it's a bad reflection.
00:45:06It's a bad reflection on the manager coaches that it's still –
00:45:10Now, it's possible just like if you have certain players,
00:45:13you could literally say every day to them,
00:45:16Hey, man, you got to slide earlier.
00:45:18You got to anchor the base.
00:45:21You know?
00:45:22Like, you can't be –
00:45:24Like, you might say it to them.
00:45:26I don't know.
00:45:27You might.
00:45:28But you certainly haven't gotten their attention.
00:45:32Nope.
00:45:32Nope.
00:45:33And I do wonder how many more opportunities they're going to give Jazz.
00:45:36Because like you said,
00:45:37they showed signs now with Cabby against the righty.
00:45:40You know, do you continue to run with him?
00:45:42Because like you said, he's a pest in the box,
00:45:45obviously with the pitch clock thing.
00:45:46But he's a pest to other teams.
00:45:48He's going to grind you out as much as he can.
00:45:50Obviously, you got to deal with the offensive deficiencies
00:45:52you do have with Caballero.
00:45:54But at least you can trust him more defensively
00:45:56than what you're getting from Jazz.
00:45:58Ryan, I was going to say this is,
00:46:00whatever his offensive deficiencies are,
00:46:03and bad for it bad,
00:46:04he's having a better offensive year than Jazz.
00:46:06No doubt.
00:46:06No doubt, Joel.
00:46:07Like, Jazz, they're not close.
00:46:10Jazz is a more talented player.
00:46:12Jazz has a better track record.
00:46:15The best of Jazz,
00:46:16that sounded like an album,
00:46:18the best of Jazz is better.
00:46:22But it's 80% of the season has been played at this point.
00:46:26Yeah.
00:46:27I think we're at 77, 78% of the season has been played.
00:46:30At some point,
00:46:31you just can't be clicking your heels together
00:46:33and going, hey, you know,
00:46:34if Jazz gets hot, he could carry the team.
00:46:37And it feels like,
00:46:38like,
00:46:39and it's one thing if you don't have an alternative,
00:46:43but,
00:46:45you know,
00:46:46and,
00:46:46and you know what also happens, Ryan,
00:46:48is
00:46:49at times like this where a team is struggling,
00:46:52now you could say this for all nine players,
00:46:54but a lot of bigot bats have found Jazz
00:46:57in this period.
00:46:58And he's just not,
00:47:00and,
00:47:00and it feels like he is with free agency.
00:47:02Hey,
00:47:03I get it.
00:47:04I get,
00:47:04he's a human being.
00:47:06I have the utmost understanding.
00:47:08And I think appreciation that,
00:47:10that like,
00:47:12he is probably thinking how much money is going out the door.
00:47:19But at this point,
00:47:21it's out the door.
00:47:22You need somebody to be able to get his attention and say,
00:47:24you cannot get it back.
00:47:26What you can do is help get a ring.
00:47:28And if you do,
00:47:29that's forever.
00:47:30And it will help you get some of the money back.
00:47:32Like the season has to be about what's left
00:47:35and not what's out the door.
00:47:36And that's why I go back to,
00:47:38they need to turn the bats into a pitch by pitch fight.
00:47:42Where they are like,
00:47:44find the savages.
00:47:45I,
00:47:45I don't know if they can,
00:47:47but they have to find that savages in the box thing again.
00:47:50And it's not just like wave,
00:47:53wave,
00:47:54wave.
00:47:54All right.
00:47:55Three pitches.
00:47:56I was a foot away from everyone.
00:47:57It's gotta be like,
00:47:59this is going to be a tough night for the opposing pitcher.
00:48:02And that mentality,
00:48:03you know,
00:48:04there's probably a collective lost confidence,
00:48:07but you've got to like get together as a group and just say,
00:48:12you know,
00:48:13there's the boon line that all their fans,
00:48:16Yankee fans hate.
00:48:17And I'm sure you hate it.
00:48:18Also.
00:48:19I do.
00:48:19He says it's still all ahead of us.
00:48:23Do you know?
00:48:24It's whatever,
00:48:25but it is still all ahead of them.
00:48:27This is not a good league.
00:48:30And we have seen them in those worst period play teams in the national
00:48:36league,
00:48:37like the Braves,
00:48:38like the Dodgers,
00:48:40um,
00:48:41and the Cubs.
00:48:43They won a series in Wrigley,
00:48:44like where with bad offense,
00:48:47they won two of those series.
00:48:49And the Dodger series was very winnable,
00:48:51but they didn't score.
00:48:53And so the American league isn't very good.
00:48:58And they've with this pitching,
00:49:01they've stood toe to toe with the better teams in the better league.
00:49:05It is still in front of them.
00:49:08They can't have another pitching injury.
00:49:12And they have to,
00:49:13it can't just be,
00:49:15we hope judges back.
00:49:16Like,
00:49:16by the way,
00:49:17judge hasn't seen judge judge judge is a great,
00:49:21great hitter.
00:49:21And maybe he could walk back into a season and hit,
00:49:25but it's hard to hit in the major leagues.
00:49:27And he'll have not hit in the major leagues for months.
00:49:29So he's going to need at bats.
00:49:33That are probably going to be a lot of empty calories for a while when they
00:49:36might need to win some games and you've got to give them to them,
00:49:39to them because he's Aaron judge.
00:49:42And so,
00:49:43so they can't just keep looking at the door for when judge is coming back.
00:49:48He might not come back,
00:49:50but the season is going to go on.
00:49:52And the mindset has to be that every at bat is going to be a grind,
00:50:00a grind when you're at bat,
00:50:02you know,
00:50:02Cole once said something to me,
00:50:04Gary Cole and I were once talking and we were talking about the death of
00:50:08the wind for the starting pitcher.
00:50:11And he said,
00:50:13what is the UCLA coaches?
00:50:16His name is last name Savage.
00:50:17I forget if his first name is whatever he said to me,
00:50:20coach Savage once said to me,
00:50:26outlast the other starter.
00:50:29In other words,
00:50:30like like,
00:50:30and often that will lead to a win for your team,
00:50:32but also a win for you.
00:50:33Like if he pitches five,
00:50:34you throw six.
00:50:35If he pitches six,
00:50:36you go seven.
00:50:37If he gives up three,
00:50:38you give up two.
00:50:39Like where pitchers say,
00:50:40well,
00:50:40I'm not pitching against the other pitcher.
00:50:42Well,
00:50:42we know that's nonsense.
00:50:43Of course you are.
00:50:44You're pitching against them.
00:50:45And his thing was a,
00:50:47that mindset needs to be an individual mindset for each Yankee at bat,
00:50:52which is windy at bat.
00:50:54Windy bat.
00:50:55Like,
00:50:55I think Spencer Jones has won a lot of it back striking out over the last
00:50:59few weeks.
00:51:00There's like three and two,
00:51:01two and three and two foul.
00:51:02Like he's striking out on eight pitches.
00:51:05That's not jazz waving at three pitches.
00:51:08A hundred percent.
00:51:09Like,
00:51:09like that's a better there.
00:51:10There are ways to strike out.
00:51:14And there's a,
00:51:15there's a cascading effect to what you're saying.
00:51:17Yeah.
00:51:17There's a cascading effect to what you're saying.
00:51:18If,
00:51:19if you can get a guy,
00:51:20a H at bats,
00:51:21get to seven,
00:51:22eight,
00:51:22nine pitches,
00:51:22that starter will be out sooner.
00:51:24And you might face a bad reliever where you have better chance of
00:51:27hitting a ball out or hitting,
00:51:29doing some damage against the opposing team.
00:51:30There's a cascading effect.
00:51:32A hundred percent.
00:51:32And it's series.
00:51:33And a season is,
00:51:34is,
00:51:35is cascading,
00:51:36which is if you get into the bullpen in the first game of a series,
00:51:39it affects the next two or three games of the series.
00:51:41And the Yankees have not put duress.
00:51:45They've only put duress on their own pitchers.
00:51:47Yeah.
00:51:48They haven't put enough duress on the opposing pitchers by making their
00:51:53lives tough,
00:51:54by getting them.
00:51:54They're not on base.
00:51:55So the guys are in the windup.
00:51:57They are not dealing with the,
00:51:59by the way,
00:52:00the ranking running game has been good this year.
00:52:02And they haven't been able to get to a running game because they don't
00:52:05get anyone on base.
00:52:07Like the stolen base was a big factor in their season for about two thirds of
00:52:12the year.
00:52:12And then the last third,
00:52:14I think in this last game against Toronto,
00:52:16they stole a bunch of bases.
00:52:17They said,
00:52:18you know,
00:52:18they can't translate it into runs because again,
00:52:20they can't land the ball in fair territory.
00:52:23That's a hit,
00:52:23but it was a factor in the game that they were able to steal some bases and
00:52:29they got to get back to this version of the Yankees has to be as mistake
00:52:35free as possible.
00:52:37Cause you're going to be thrown out stealing.
00:52:39Okay,
00:52:40fine.
00:52:41That's been a fact of life for 150 years.
00:52:43You can't be thrown out stealing,
00:52:44playing with your sliding.
00:52:46You just can't,
00:52:47you can't,
00:52:48you can't when you're winning six to one,
00:52:51when it's one,
00:52:52one,
00:52:53your team can't score.
00:52:54You can't,
00:52:54you can't live.
00:52:55It has to be acceptable and unacceptable.
00:52:58It's unacceptable.
00:53:00Joel.
00:53:01I want to wrap up with this about the judge thing you talked about with the
00:53:04quality of bats.
00:53:05He needs to see we're getting dangerously close in,
00:53:09in my opinion,
00:53:10to that point of,
00:53:11I starting to actually question if he's coming back this year.
00:53:13Now he has been dead,
00:53:16dead pan straight,
00:53:17like steadfast.
00:53:18I am coming back.
00:53:19Why wouldn't I come back?
00:53:20I think it was the quote,
00:53:21you know,
00:53:22a couple of weeks ago,
00:53:23we heard he's playing catch now or have a catch.
00:53:26I don't know how you view that,
00:53:27but what is that cutoff point for you,
00:53:31for him to actually start taking swings or you just like,
00:53:35you know what,
00:53:36Ryan,
00:53:36just because of the mystery that Aaron judge tries to keep around the
00:53:39injury thing.
00:53:40We won't know until he's back until he's tells the Yankees I'm coming
00:53:43back.
00:53:44I think the Yankees have almost been embarrassed into telling us a little
00:53:48bit,
00:53:49which they historically don't because it's been so embarrassing.
00:53:52I don't know if you,
00:53:53there was a give and take I had with Boone at a pre,
00:53:56you know,
00:53:56I often don't ask questions at pregame or postgame press conferences.
00:53:59I don't see any reason to have my questions and answers live on.
00:54:03Yes.
00:54:03Unless yes.
00:54:04Would like to pay me for that.
00:54:06So if I could get a guy alone,
00:54:08I try to get a guy alone.
00:54:09Sure.
00:54:11But I,
00:54:11I,
00:54:12I had a,
00:54:13I had something set up in the opposing clubhouse to talk to a coach.
00:54:17So if I wanted to get something off to Boone,
00:54:19I had to do it in a pregame setting instead of trying to get them going
00:54:23back to the locker room or to the clubhouse or get,
00:54:27get them on the field during batting practice.
00:54:29I also don't think they would think it was a weekend afternoon game.
00:54:32And I don't think they were going to be on the field.
00:54:34So I asked in the pregame about timetable and we went back and forth for a
00:54:41while.
00:54:43And he was like,
00:54:44he tried to make it unknowable.
00:54:46And I said,
00:54:47well,
00:54:47you do have doctors and trainers.
00:54:49It's probably knowable.
00:54:50There's a difference between knowable and what you're telling me.
00:54:53That's why I'm always careful when like,
00:54:55like people go,
00:54:56they,
00:54:57the,
00:54:58the,
00:54:58the,
00:54:58the offer is unknown.
00:55:00Well,
00:55:00the offer is known.
00:55:01We don't know it.
00:55:03Right.
00:55:03Like,
00:55:04so I always say it's not publicly.
00:55:05No,
00:55:06I try to always couch things to be as precise as possible.
00:55:10I think the Yankees probably have a very good idea to a day or two when
00:55:14Bellinger will be back.
00:55:15When Stanton will be back,
00:55:16when judge will be back.
00:55:17I think when the case,
00:55:19I think I was asking him about Stanton.
00:55:21I think Stanton has gotten like judge.
00:55:22He's a little like embarrassed now about like this.
00:55:25He doesn't want his stuff out where it looks like he's close and then his
00:55:28body breaks again.
00:55:30So I think that they've,
00:55:32they've gotten out of that game.
00:55:33I think there's probably also a psychological thing that Boone wants to do
00:55:36where he's like,
00:55:37he doesn't want his players watching the door.
00:55:39Oh,
00:55:39he'll be back seven,
00:55:40September 15th.
00:55:40Oh,
00:55:41great.
00:55:41It's September 10th.
00:55:42It's September 11th.
00:55:43Well,
00:55:43we've got a game on September 10th.
00:55:45We've got a game on September 11th.
00:55:46We've got to win the games when he's not here.
00:55:48And by the way,
00:55:48this is imperfect.
00:55:49Maybe he'll have a setback.
00:55:51I will say this about judge.
00:55:54And I,
00:55:55I,
00:55:55I recently said this to somebody at the ballpark.
00:55:58Also,
00:55:59I go like,
00:55:59you guys keep saying he's going to be back coming back in game.
00:56:02One 62 is coming back this year.
00:56:04Right now.
00:56:05Now,
00:56:05having said that if Aaron judge comes back in game one 60,
00:56:08one 61 or one 62,
00:56:10you play Aaron judge.
00:56:11Cause he's Aaron judge.
00:56:12I mean,
00:56:13I'd rather have whatever this version of Aaron judges than Helio Ramos,
00:56:17uh,
00:56:17taking it back.
00:56:18And I assume Ramos will hit better as this goes along.
00:56:22He's hit the ball hard a lot without some success.
00:56:24So I assume some of this will land at some point,
00:56:26but at some point also it becomes psychological when it doesn't.
00:56:30And,
00:56:30you know,
00:56:31two for 20 becomes two for 40 pretty quickly.
00:56:33Uh,
00:56:35it's Aaron judge.
00:56:36When he comes back,
00:56:37he's going to play for the New York Yankees.
00:56:39The question of which we haven't dealt with a lot is they have a lot of
00:56:43DH kind of players.
00:56:46What if the rules on judges,
00:56:48well,
00:56:49he could come back,
00:56:50but you can't risk them in the field.
00:56:51Well,
00:56:52that means he's going,
00:56:53to DH Ben Rice,
00:56:57I assume would then play first base,
00:56:59which means Garcia and Stanton are bench players under the full of this.
00:57:05And by the way,
00:57:06where does Aaron Boone sign up for the full of it?
00:57:08Like,
00:57:09you know,
00:57:09he'll worry about who's playing and who's not playing when the moments
00:57:12come.
00:57:13But,
00:57:14uh,
00:57:15and I hearken back to better Yankee teams that often had a chili Davis or
00:57:19a Daryl strawberry or Tim rains kind of player or two at a time on
00:57:23their benches.
00:57:24Uh,
00:57:25and everyone kind of accepted it for the bigger purposes of the team.
00:57:30Um,
00:57:31uh,
00:57:32but,
00:57:33uh,
00:57:34I think if,
00:57:35if the question is when judge comes back,
00:57:37he's Aaron judge,
00:57:38he plays for the New York Yankees and hits second or third.
00:57:42Uh,
00:57:43and you put them in the lineup as often as you can have him,
00:57:45because if the ship is going down,
00:57:48you want the ship to go down where Aaron judges on the,
00:57:51you know,
00:57:51like taking it bats.
00:57:52Uh,
00:57:53and you live with that outcome because he's Aaron judge ship goes down with
00:57:57his captain.
00:57:58That's basically what he's literally that,
00:58:00right.
00:58:00He's literally,
00:58:01literally look,
00:58:02they,
00:58:03they are in an interest.
00:58:04I want to go back to just as in the close,
00:58:06maybe to something we did right at the beginning and do this full circle,
00:58:09which is they are generally in a good spot.
00:58:12They are comfortably in a playoff spot.
00:58:15They have the second best record in the league.
00:58:17They've had the best or second best record in the league,
00:58:19pretty much for 130 ish games.
00:58:22That has been a reality with how badly they've played.
00:58:26And yet to watch it every day is to know it is not to use the word again,
00:58:32acceptable.
00:58:33This has been ugly and they've taken on an injury.
00:58:38That is a problematic injury.
00:58:42And that was always the worry.
00:58:45It's like,
00:58:45Oh,
00:58:45we got guys coming back.
00:58:46And I'm like,
00:58:47well,
00:58:47the season isn't stopping.
00:58:48You're going to have more injuries and they've had more injuries.
00:58:51They're one pitching injury away from real issues,
00:58:56really big issues that one of those six or seven main guys goes down.
00:59:01Now that's really big.
00:59:02And let's face it.
00:59:04If they don't get particularly Bellinger and judge back at their top form to
00:59:08give them all the things that Bellinger and judge do,
00:59:11because they're both terrific baseball players and they could really use a
00:59:15couple of terrific baseball players.
00:59:17And part of the resume of Bellinger and judge is their batting average.
00:59:21They,
00:59:22when they're right,
00:59:23they hit.
00:59:25And this Yankee team does not land the baseball successfully enough.
00:59:30And judge is a weightlifter.
00:59:32And by the way,
00:59:32so Stanton when he plays,
00:59:34and that tends to make it easier for the non weightlifters to do what they do.
00:59:38So they need to get healthy.
00:59:42And at this point,
00:59:44you know,
00:59:45take a guy who's a regular,
00:59:48especially a pitcher out.
00:59:50And this spins in a way where you and I might be doing shows in September.
00:59:56That are very different from,
00:59:59Hey,
00:59:59who do you think they're playing in the first round?
01:00:03They're walking that tight rope.
01:00:04They've been walking it.
01:00:05Like you said,
01:00:05for more than a third generally well,
01:00:08they're 15 over final,
01:00:09wherever they are.
01:00:10Like it's comfortably in the playoffs on August 18th.
01:00:17We'll do a show on August 24th or 25th.
01:00:21We'll do another one at the end of the month.
01:00:23We'll do another one in the first week of September.
01:00:26I'm curious what we'll be saying.
01:00:28If they're kind of pushing towards Tampa or pushing towards the 2025 Mets.
01:00:33Well,
01:00:34look that stretch coming up here,
01:00:36starting tonight with Baltimore,
01:00:37who is in the wild card hunt right now.
01:00:40And then they got Toronto again,
01:00:41and then they got Houston who is in the playoffs as well.
01:00:44And then they got the Red Sox.
01:00:46So they were going to find out a lot.
01:00:48And by the way,
01:00:49they're now going to get interestingly in early September,
01:00:53a Mets team that's playing much better,
01:00:55which will be a fascinating thing.
01:00:58If the Mets can hurt the Yankees in 2026 with whatever is going on with the Mets.
01:01:06Well,
01:01:06I'm not sure Joel Sherman has walked me off the cliff yet,
01:01:09but I am appreciate.
01:01:10Was that my responsibility this week?
01:01:14But look,
01:01:15I appreciate you guys.
01:01:16You know what I say all the time to you,
01:01:18Ryan is half my friends are huge,
01:01:21huge Mets fans.
01:01:22And half my friends are huge Yankee fans.
01:01:25And I have the blessing that I grew up rooting for neither team and took a job where I need
01:01:30neutrality anyway.
01:01:31And so I often serve as a therapist counselor for that group of people in my life to try to
01:01:39suggest both that the good times aren't as good as you think,
01:01:41and the bad times aren't as bad as you think.
01:01:44And that major league baseball is tough and the season is long and all the things I end up saying
01:01:48here.
01:01:48So I get the therapy of it all.
01:01:51I do think they are in a fascinating place,
01:01:55which way they go over this last 20,
01:01:5822% of the season.
01:01:59And you,
01:02:00you know,
01:02:00that's why I said week to week,
01:02:02you could tell me,
01:02:04Hey,
01:02:05you know what?
01:02:06Two or three guys who are good players started to hit and they started averaging four and a half runs
01:02:11and they won 60% of their games.
01:02:15Down the stretch.
01:02:16And they either caught Tampa Bay or got pretty damn close to catching up.
01:02:21And you can convince me they stopped hitting.
01:02:23They took on one pitching injury.
01:02:24They won 40% of their games down the stretch.
01:02:28And they were in a death fight to just get it.
01:02:32You can.
01:02:34Obviously,
01:02:34like we said,
01:02:35we'll,
01:02:35we'll hear what happens with freed from Boone later today.
01:02:38Obviously the Yankees are not too honest when it comes to pitching injuries or just injuries in general,
01:02:42I should say.
01:02:43And how long these guys are going to be out.
01:02:45We'll see what the diagnosis is.
01:02:47Hopefully not good at batting average and transparency,
01:02:50but look,
01:02:51there is a serious drop off.
01:02:52And I,
01:02:53and I know weather's has been pitching great.
01:02:54There's a serious drop off from free to weathers and Rodon right now.
01:02:58So our Yankees are taking on water.
01:03:00Like Joel said,
01:03:00they cannot have one more injury,
01:03:02but we appreciate you as always for coming on here and pitstripe post,
01:03:05giving us all your analysis and takeaways.
01:03:07What's going on with this team.
01:03:08And we're looking forward to catching up with you next week,
01:03:10Joel,
01:03:10and make sure you fans are hitting that like and subscribe button on the New York post sports YouTube channel.
01:03:14If you catch Joel obviously doing the show podcast with him and John Heyman and obviously here on pitstripe post.
01:03:20Thanks,
01:03:20Joel.
01:03:21All the best,
01:03:22Ryan.
01:03:23Thanks everyone for watching.
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