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This week on Strong Opinions Loosely Held, our host Elisa Kreisinger sit down with Sesali Bowen to discuss monetary related taboos that still surround black women in America. Why does this stigma still exists when numbers can prove that it is untrue? Press play on SOLH to watch this theory be debunked!

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Transcript
00:00Hey, I'm Elisa Kreisinger and every Saturday I unpack my strong opinions with the help
00:04of an expert who might not have all of the answers, but they certainly know more than
00:08I do.
00:09That's why this is Strong Opinions, Loosely Held.
00:12And on this week's show, why do we still consider black women gold diggers?
00:17I recently learned that black women are the fastest growing group of entrepreneurs in
00:22this country, and black women are also the most educated group in America.
00:27So, why is our culture so insistent on holding on to this outdated idea that black women
00:33are only out for men's money?
00:34And where did the idea even come from?
00:37This is something Refinery29 senior entertainment writer Cecily Bowen has thought a lot about.
00:43So long as black women have been on screen to be seen, there has been suspicion specifically
00:49around them and sexuality and money.
00:52This myth of the black woman as a gold digger is constantly being reinforced in popular culture.
00:57Now, for starters, there was a Kanye West song called Gold Digger.
01:00And Blac Chyna was considered gold digger number one when she started dating Rob Kardashian.
01:06And let's not forget reality TV.
01:09We can look at shows like Love & Hip Hop, Real Housewives of Atlanta, where it's always
01:13this conversation about what is this woman's intention with this man?
01:19What is she trying to get from him?
01:21So, I think we can literally look everywhere for this gold digger trope.
01:27And these are just the recent examples.
01:29Cecily points out the irony in this portrayal.
01:32In some ways, I guess you can say that black women are gold diggers because we have always
01:36been in the pursuit of education and success and financial independence, but not for men
01:43and not at the hands of the system, literally from our own hard work, from our own enterprising
01:48spirits.
01:49So, where did this myth even come from?
01:52Well, there's two specific events that led to the modern iteration of the stereotype.
01:57The first was the Moynihan Report and the second was Ronald Reagan.
02:01In 1965, sociologist Patrick Moynihan blamed black female-led homes for the high crime rates
02:08and poverty rates among African Americans.
02:11The conclusion that he came to was that black families do not have enough patriarchal households
02:19that have a mother and a father and are led by the father.
02:22And that explains why poverty is so rampant amongst black communities and crime is so rampant
02:29among black communities.
02:30Couldn't possibly have anything to do with institutional racism or anything like that.
02:34It's definitely because the women are too strong and domineering over the men.
02:39The Moynihan Report was eventually debunked, but not before it was validated by the US government.
02:45That meant that it was hugely influential when it came to writing actual policy that would
02:50affect black women every day.
02:53The Moynihan Report itself was sanctioned and validated by the US government.
02:57So it was used to influence politicians and like actual policies that were being made in
03:05the country.
03:06So it really got this kind of formal stamp of approval that a lot of the criticism of the
03:11Moynihan Report did not get.
03:13Okay.
03:14So to regroup, first you have the Moynihan Report, which blamed black women for the crime
03:18and poverty in black communities.
03:21And then you have Ronald Reagan, who racialized, I'm so sorry, reformed welfare in the 70s and
03:2880s.
03:30Specifically, Ronald Reagan just kind of came out with it and coined this term welfare
03:36queen when he wanted to reform the welfare system.
03:39And he created this trope of black women as leeches on the American system who were like
03:46taking advantage of taxpayer dollars by having all these children taking all this money from
03:51the government with no interest in working.
03:53And this image of the welfare queen continues to affect perceptions and policies regarding
03:58welfare.
03:59For example, did you know that working class white people without a college degree receive
04:04the most money from federal poverty reduction programs?
04:07Of course not, because it doesn't fit the perception.
04:10Who would you say are the real welfare queens of this country?
04:16So it's so interesting that you asked that, because what does it even mean to mooch off
04:20of the country?
04:21If it's just using the financial services that come with being a citizen of this country,
04:28that then means that people who get financial aid, people who receive housing subsidies, food
04:36subsidies, first time home buyer incentives that are funded by the government, married
04:41people who receive tax breaks, all of those things count as government assistance.
04:48If a welfare queen is defined as someone who lives off of government handouts, then hi, I'm
04:54one of the biggest beneficiaries.
04:57As a white middle class homeowner, I received one of the largest government subsidies, the
05:01mortgage interest deduction.
05:03That's what we call what the government pays us to help us own our own homes.
05:07And this isn't a small amount of money.
05:09In 2015, the U.S. spent so much money helping us own our homes, it was larger than the budgets
05:15of the education, justice, and energy departments combined.
05:20But when we think of welfare queens, we don't think of me, and that's a problem.
05:27From the Moynihan Report, we got this image of an emasculating black woman.
05:31She's essentially contributing to the entire downfall of this community.
05:35From Ronald Reagan's welfare queen, we got a black woman who is willing to stoop to criminality
05:41and fraud and bribery in order to get money that she wants.
05:45And I think the result of that culturally was just that we couldn't trust black women, especially
05:49not with money.
05:50But Cecily finds deep faults in this thinking because the data actually tells a totally different
05:55story.
05:56She pointed out that the numbers don't really add up.
05:58Well, first of all, black women are one of the most educated groups in America.
06:02They are the fastest growing group of entrepreneurs in America.
06:07And they, as individuals, are more likely to escape generational poverty than black men
06:12are.
06:13So this idea that black women are only relying on men for any kind of social mobility, financial
06:19mobility, is just simply not true.
06:21Even when Moynihan was demonizing black women for this, it was really just black women supporting
06:26their families in the best way that they knew how.
06:28Right.
06:28I don't think that there's any reason to have any shame about that.
06:32And I think what we're seeing in pop culture right now is a lot of clap back to this idea
06:36that black women are gold diggers.
06:37A lot of women are kind of like really leaning into that.
06:39Like, yes, I am a gold digger.
06:41If you want any of my time, you need to make it worth it financially and otherwise.
06:44And like, I'm actually going to embrace that and like own that because black women know
06:49that the reality for us is that like we have to go get it ourselves.
06:52And that's always been the case.
06:54Black women are not out for men's money.
06:56We are out to support ourselves and to build wealth and financial independence within a system
07:02that never supported us in the first place.
07:04So maybe it's time we take away the stigma of the gold digger.
07:08Comment below.
07:08I'd love to hear your thoughts and I'll see you back here next week.
07:12Thanks so much for watching.
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