00:00Hi, Dad. Hi, Jacqueline. Thanks for coming. Great to be here.
00:20You know, I kind of see the journey as I was a sensitive, you know, child like many. And, you
00:27know,
00:27through all these like self-help and psychology kind of stuff, I mean, I was like a Tony Robbins
00:32like expert, trying to tell all my friends, you know, about like breaking the four legs out under
00:38the table of a limiting belief, literally. And like, just like, I was also really disgusted by how,
00:43like, or just like really thought it was shocking the way like people around me in like eighth grade,
00:47like, like just like thought that their mood was determined by their circumstances. You know what
00:52I mean? Like I was like, God, like what fools? You know, then I, then when I started experiencing,
00:56you know, the depression, I was very confused because I was like, I'm obviously doing something
01:02wrong. I'm thinking, you know, I'm not thinking the right way. You know, I tend to be optimistic
01:06about things. And I think you do too. I mean, that's the thing with depression. People always
01:10say, well, what could be wrong? Everything's good in your life. Well, it doesn't work that way.
01:14Everything can be good in your life and you're still depressed because it, it has, it's on its own
01:18level, on its own plane. And so I was always thinking, what's the next step? What, what do we do
01:25now given the situation? So I was always looking to the next move. Like a big thing
01:30when I was nervous was like, you would encourage me to like, go into like a wild,
01:34like skip and then jump up in the air and say, do you remember? Thank God my feet don't stink
01:39today.
01:39That comes straight out of Tony. And it's so hysterical. There's no way you can stand in
01:44bad mood and, and, and do that. Jump up in the air, kick your, you know, kick your heels
01:47together, pump your fist and say, thank God my feet don't stink today.
01:55Do you, um, see a difference in me from where I was?
02:04Yes. Um, absolutely.
02:06I mean, you must because I no longer live with you.
02:08Right.
02:08That's the step. I remember one time mom being like, I always feel embarrassed about this
02:11moment because it's so like dramatic, you know, like I remember one time mom coming in while I
02:18was doing one of my Kundalini yoga videos. And it's a point where you're doing these mantras
02:23and these breath and it's like, you know, something about like working out your deepest pain or like
02:29however horrible your situation is right now, whatever it is you're doing it. And then like mom
02:34said something like, what is, what is your suffering or something? Or like, you know, like, what is,
02:38what is your, what is your pain or something? And I was like, what isn't? I was like, what?
02:44And I was referring to literally like, I'm 26. Like, you know, like 26 and I'm in your debt.
02:52Like, like, and I'm a star. Okay.
02:57You know, it's funny. There's a, it's, it's a cultural thing when you're a parent and you have
03:01kids and you talk to the other parents and, and particularly when they're, that you, and you hear
03:07this, that I just want my kid to be happy. Oh my God. Okay. And that's one of the most
03:11lamest
03:11things anybody could say. I agree. And, and you hear it all the time. I don't care how much money,
03:17as long as they're happy, as long as they're happy. How dare they say that? No, no. And it's
03:21such a limiting concept. I mean, if you study psychology or study philosophy or something,
03:26um, you know that, you know, first there's this sort of abstract concept of happiness. Okay. I know what
03:33that means. But then in order to understand what even that means, you have to think of
03:37something that's unhappy. You have to go to, you have to negate that. Right. You have to think of
03:41sad things in your life or sad things that exist or whatever. Other people. Okay. And then to
03:46achieve true happiness, then concrete happiness, you have to surpass that. Triumph? Yeah. You have to
03:53triumph over that. Right. So there's no, there's no pure happiness without pure sadness. Right. I mean,
03:59you know, Jung talked about this. Yeah. Philosophers have talked about it. So to say, what do you,
04:05what do you want your children to do? You want them to be, to sit there and, and, and take
04:10drugs
04:11or something or drink and be fat dumb and happy? Yeah. I mean, no, it's not. Yeah. Yeah. So these
04:17parents are saying this, they don't know what they're talking about. It's a meaningless thing. Yeah. It's
04:21an annoying thing that they think they're, they think, you know, they think they're being generous. Okay. Okay.
04:26He doesn't need to be a doctor. He doesn't need to be a, right. As long as he's happy. And
04:32it's like,
04:33it's not, it's not a worthy goal to have for your children. You want them to, you want them to
04:37go
04:37beyond what they're, what they're, what's, what the given. And not to arrive at a, at a, at a then
04:43permanent bliss. It's not like, it's not like you want them to be, have struggles so that they can
04:48then arrive at, you know, pinched happiness. No, you don't want to create the struggles, but
04:52everybody, everybody in life has struggles. They just, I mean, if they, if they don't admit
04:57to that, at least to themselves, they probably should go to a shrink or something because
05:00that's everybody, you know, has got the cross to bear in some way or another, everybody. And
05:05to go, to go beyond that is, is that's where the, I think the true happiness is.
05:16Hi, I'm Greg Novak. I'm Jacqueline Novak's dad. And this is how to weep in public.
05:21Please watch the other episodes. They're there for you. Goodbye.
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