00:24The
00:26aspect of Lone Rider, it's, you know, expectation and identity is obviously a key part of
00:31that, you know, and how Tyler sees his life, what it could be, or that aspect of it. What was
00:38the
00:39basis for his story? Was it, what was the story you wanted to tell? This wasn't my initial thought
00:46when I first started it. I think this is something I discovered like a year or two into writing it,
00:51but I feel like at some point I realized I was writing a story a bit about how I thought
00:58my
00:58life would have turned out if I hadn't discovered like filmmaking and kind of just felt like very
01:04stuck in life, like didn't really know what I was looking out for. And everybody around me was saying
01:10like, keep going, go forward, keep pushing. But like, if you don't know what exactly you're pushing
01:15toward, it's sort of like, you know, you're blindfolded in a maze. So again, that wasn't like
01:21the crux of the story. I feel like it sort of evolved into that over time. But, you know,
01:27that's where it came from. And it was inspired a lot by some friends I had as well, too. So
01:32I
01:33wouldn't say it's like a total reflection of my life. But kind of mixed people around me.
01:39Oh, y'all, before I forget, do you remember Alice? Did you see your thing on Facebook?
01:44Alice? No. Uh, what? Just look. I'll send you a link now.
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02:46Well, I mean, you got to create a world. And that's why, before I go over to you, Jack,
02:49about how is the, you know, from the very beginning, you know, listening to that radio,
02:54you know, that program, you get a sense of sort of being in the ether. He's sort of stuck
02:59between two worlds, a world he could be in and a world he chooses not to be in, if you
03:04will.
03:04Yeah, well, it's interesting, because I would say, in a lot of ways, Jack is different from
03:10Tyler. And I think he's, you know, wanted to be an actor for, for sure, as long as I've known
03:15him,
03:15which was, I guess, since about 2015.
03:18Oh, yeah, way before that. Yeah.
03:19Yeah. So I've always seen Jack as like a very kind of laser focused on what he wanted to do
03:24in
03:24life, kind of guy. So at the same time, I was approaching him like, hey, I'm, you know,
03:29this is a character who's like, you know, there's maybe things he's gone through that are similar
03:34to some stuff that you're have gone through or are going through. But, you know, we kind of had
03:39to find the balance of like, what parts to draw from your own life and what parts to draw from,
03:45you know, your friends or your family or, you know, other movies, sometimes, you know,
03:50kind of got to find the influence from wherever it comes. But I think we did a good job of
03:54finding
03:55the balance. So. So, what's up?
04:05Um, the reason that I came back that day, that day that you left, besides the coffee,
04:14I mean, um, I wanted to, uh, tell you, because, you know, because you, you, you knew me better
04:25than, you know, pretty much anybody else. Um, and, uh, you know, you know, I, I have a hard time
04:36with, you know, when you left, um, I, I had this thought, like,
04:45maybe things would have been different if I just said something.
04:51Jack, can you talk about the, your approach to Tyler, but your expectation for you as the actor
04:56playing him of Tyler? Because the thing is, he has so many choices he can make,
05:01choices he doesn't make, but choices he does make.
05:04Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, I think it's, it's easy from sort of a third person perspective
05:09to look at this character, um, and go, man, you know, what a schlub. It's like, oh man,
05:15there's sort of not a lot wrong really with his life. There's certainly some problems, but like
05:19he's, this could be so much worse. And, um, while I think, you know, I get someone seeing that,
05:26I think that that's a version of the character you could see if you're, if you're looking from
05:30a distance. I think it's a very distilled version of something that's incredibly relatable.
05:35And it's just being stuck kind of in your life, being kind of, you know, in the muck and mire.
05:39And, you know, it could happen for a million reasons. Like it's, oh, you go through a breakup
05:43or you lose somebody that's close to you. You move and you, you know, you, you, your home is gone
05:48and you live somewhere else. There's all sorts of things that could facilitate that feeling, but
05:52it can become sort of a spiral of being dissatisfied with how you feel and where you are, but there
06:00isn't
06:01sort of a door to just walk through you, or at least you don't feel like there is, uh, which
06:05is what's so, I think ironic about that, about Tyler's sort of conundrum is that there's so
06:10many things that he could do to sort of change his circumstance. And the, the journey that
06:15we see him take is such a small, subtle series of events. So I think for me, it was just
06:21about
06:22finding that, you know, what's it feel like to feel stuck and dissatisfied? Uh, you know,
06:29there's, there's a ton of comparison. That's, you know, that's, that's never good for a person,
06:34you know, comparing yourself to other people. He compares himself to his friends, to his family,
06:38to what he sees on the internet. Um, and it just leads to more and more kind of introspective
06:45dissatisfaction, which I think eventually can sort of turn to self-flagellation and just, ah,
06:50you just sort of sink lower and lower and lower. And I think with Adam's script, the moments that we
06:57find throughout his journey and his drive, um, you know, they're small and they're subtle,
07:04but you, we get these little blinking road signs of like, turn here, you know, pick these people up,
07:08say hi, you know, put yourself out there a little bit. And it's such a small series of steps, but
07:13we
07:13see, you know, we see him find some, you know, you told me you were coming. Kind of a last
07:32minute
07:33thing. You're not here for the car, are you? You know, when you left, um, I, I had this thought,
07:49like, maybe things would have been different if I just said something. And to be honest,
07:57I've, I've thought about it for years. Like, like looking back on it, did you ever regret how things
08:11turned out? Jack, could you add to that? But also he was talking about pain, those flecks of pain,
08:24like, that's what you do with any characters. You find those little bits of, you know, paint to sort
08:28of color in the edges, you know, what stood out for you? Were there scenes, were there certain things
08:34that stood out to you about Tyler in that journey? Because obviously you're probably shooting,
08:39you're obviously shooting out of order, but where you found that sort of crux of him, that truth of
08:44him. Very out of order. Very, yeah. Um, absolutely. Yeah. I, I, one that sticks, I think probably my
08:51favorite scene, uh, in the movie is the scene on the porch, Tyler and his dad, where he brings him
08:58those beers and he sort of has a moment where he almost steps out on the ledge. Like he asks
09:04kind
09:04of a vulnerable question. He kind of dances around a little bit and quickly excuses his father when he
09:10doesn't answer. But, um, that was a, that's a scene where that silence just informs so much of the,
09:19of the character and both of the characters. And so much of, I think Tyler's story as like, Ooh,
09:25okay. He, I think he's got a fair amount of, you know, sources of discomfort or pain. And obviously,
09:30you know, the inciting incident is like the girl that he had feelings for. She's leaving again.
09:35And that's sort of what kicks us off. But I felt like that scene with, uh, with Michael Gaston,
09:42um, that delivers the weight that, you know, I think the lion's share of the weight that Tyler
09:47carries, like the really, really strained, um, disconnected relationship that he has with his
09:53father. Um, and in those scenes, cause there are a few, there's a, there's a lot of moments that play
10:00out in silence. And I think Adam, we, we'd have, we had conversations before and a couple during,
10:06but I, Adam was never the director that was like, this is what you're thinking. Like,
10:09I want to see these beats, you know, sort of cycle through your brain. This is the moment where this
10:13lands. It sort of was, there was a lot of collaboration and trust both ways, um, of sort
10:19of knowing who this kid is, uh, and where he's at and just letting it sit. Um, and I think
10:27a lot of
10:27those moments with, uh, Nadezhda on the beach, um, with the guys at the, at the fire, the,
10:33the bachelor, you know, the, the groomsmen campfire and on the porch with, um, Tyler's dad. Like
10:41I think all of those moments were, were discoveries, which as an actor is, you know, what you want. If
10:47you can execute something that you planned, like hell yeah. But if you just sit into a moment and
10:52you see what happens and something happens, that's, that's gold. So.
11:03So.
11:04So.
11:05So.
11:20So.
11:23So.
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