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00:00Welcome back in on a Monday Sports Daily. TJ Cleland and Jacob Albrocht with you as we are officially in
00:06the week of not much tonight.
00:08We do have the Home Run Derby though. Jack Caglione is in it. We talked about that earlier in the
00:13show.
00:13Be sure to go download the free Odyssey app. You can listen to the podcasted version of the show. Check
00:17a lot of that.
00:18We talked a bit of the World Cup and we talked about March Madness coming to Wichita.
00:22What should we expect from that? Those are conversations that we've had now in true middle of July fashion.
00:29What do we do? We listen to storylines that are, you know, just what's the right word here?
00:36Not made up, but they were manufactured storylines, right? When you make a list, are you manufacturing a storyline? Is
00:42that the right word?
00:43Yeah. I mean, it's interesting. I'm not saying it's a bad storyline, but it's July and we haven't had football
00:49in four months.
00:50So what do we do? We start talking about football. We do unveilings for Madden rankings.
00:55Yeah. If ESPN wants to take out a poll, an open poll to, you know, coaches, they call it coaches,
01:07scouts, and executives of the NFL to rank position groups.
01:11I thought this was just a random media poll. I see. No, this is people within the league.
01:15It's not players. It's not a players poll. Executives, coaches, and scouts.
01:21And they'll do this position by position. So this is interesting and they'll do it, you know, they've been doing
01:28it, I guess.
01:29This is quarterbacks happen to be today. I haven't even seen, quite frankly, any of the other ones.
01:34Of course, they save quarterbacks toward the end. That's we get quarterbacks today.
01:39Um, so we get the classic Josh Allen versus Patrick Mahomes debate in this poll, both age 30.
01:49Josh Allen goes one, Mahomes goes two. They flip flop from a year ago.
01:55This is where Chiefs fans are going to lose it and start saying, oh, ask him in the playoffs.
01:59And I mean, these two have gone so 50-50 head-to-head. It's outrageous.
02:06Take your pick. Mahomes coming off an ACL. Do you disagree with this sentiment here?
02:12I don't know. I mean, I'd say based on the poll, I'd say the only reason that people would put
02:18him,
02:18I'd say it says that the highest ranking he got was one and the lowest he got was nine.
02:23Josh Allen's highest was one. His lowest was four.
02:26So, uh, I mean, I'd say that if you're putting them nine, it's just you saying that, yeah,
02:31he's got a bum knee. I don't know what it's going to look like.
02:33Yeah. And, and look, Mahomes is numbers. The last few years have not sniffed the numbers of early
02:40Mahomes. His, his ability to win big games has not changed, but the statistics that he put up puts up
02:50have, um, there's a lot of reasons for that. I, I have no issue with putting Josh Allen number one
02:57right now. I don't, I think Mahomes, you know, Mahomes has a chance to be the goat. He's the only
03:05guy I think that is on the radar to challenge. And, and we're so far from that. Like we're still,
03:11uh, you'd have to duplicate basically everything he's done already to get into that point, which is
03:19she's a huge, but you know, he's at about the same point in his career. He had an ACL injury
03:23that Tom
03:24Brady did. So I don't want to say it's like not going to happen because it totally could.
03:28I have no issue with Josh Allen.
03:32What's your problem? What's your problem, Max? Time in. I just gave Brady the biggest compliment
03:40ever, but what it's not enough. It's not enough for these Patriot lunatics. Um, Matt Stafford goes
03:46three. That to me is pretty wild. That to me is pretty wild. Somebody put Stafford at one
03:54after his MVP campaign last year. Um, one NFL coaches quoted as saying nobody played better than
04:02him last year and it wasn't even close. Okay. I mean, yeah, it's probably true. I mean, he's got,
04:08he's got all weapons in the world. He's got a great offense with Adams and Nakua. It's working
04:15that I'm surprised. It's that high though. Uh, Joe Burrow is for Lamar Jackson falls down to fifth,
04:23which is really fast. Lowest ranking for Lamar Jackson was unranked. Yep. Yep. And now does
04:28that mean? What does that mean? We only took 10 guys. Okay. I would say they're not ranking 30
04:32in the top 10 outside the top 10. Um, Dak Prescott goes number six and it won't surprise anybody,
04:41but he wasn't, you know, his lowest ranking is outside the top 10, but his highest ranking was three,
04:46three and 75% of voters gave him a top five vote here. Um, get a good year. He's a
04:58pretty good
04:59quarterback. I'm surprised to see him here. Justin Herbert, who's a lot of people's dark horse MVP
05:05candidate this year is at seven Drake may at eight Jared golf at nine, which I don't agree. Uh,
05:14Caleb Williams at 10. I would probably have Caleb Williams a little higher. I don't have golf in
05:22here. Uh, Drake may I put Drake may at like six, probably on my list. Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow four
05:30is interesting as well. Cause it's just, but, but again, it's just kind of a recency thing. He
05:35hasn't had, he was almost, well, he was like an MVP candidate the year. They were bad. He's
05:39getting my home streams. We just know how good he is. So how can you put him any lower? It's
05:45like
05:45my home, my homes didn't homes coming off an ACL didn't do it. Like, but at the end of the
05:50day,
05:50like we know how good my homes is. We know how good burrow is. What are you going to do
05:54with those
05:54guys? Like you're not putting them any lower than that burrows, transcendent talent that has been stuck.
06:00Um, I'm the most surprised about Dak Prescott. I would say probably, uh, but I think he can put
06:06up numbers to match. I think he can put up numbers to do that. I would, I would say, okay,
06:12let me ask you this on this list before, well, let me ask who on this list has the best
06:19chance to
06:21not be like in, in the top 10 this year, like by the end of the year. Yeah. Uh, I
06:28mean,
06:30Dak Prescott probably. I see. I think it's Drake may, I think it's Drake. No,
06:36Steph Diggs right now, top of your head. Who's Drake may his best wide receiver. Yeah,
06:39it's true. I mean, he added AJ Brown. So the answer is AJ Brown, but we haven't seen that before,
06:45right? I, I, this schedule thing is going to be fascinating for the Patriots. Like they,
06:52they have so much, you know, it has, has the Vrabel stuff been a distraction at all. I doubt it.
06:59Um, may he's coming up. I know Max has thrown his hands in the air.
07:03May. Well, we've seen this before these great years. The follow year is where I think we find
07:09our great. I agree. There's something to be said about it. I, I, and I think that that's just saying
07:13like with everything that was said about the Patriots last year about their schedule, you know,
07:19how you, you change that is by going out and you dominate another schedule. That's how you fix it.
07:23So that's exactly right. And they'll have the chance to do that. And they'll have a great defense
07:27and they'll have a lot of tools that they should have a pretty good offensive line. They'll have the
07:31two and they have, you know, one of the top coaches in the NFL and variable if he's not too
07:36distracted and I don't think he will be, um, who is then who who's got a chance to move the
07:44most?
07:44I would say Caleb Williams, but he could also, he's all over the map for me. Like he could easily
07:51fall out to Caleb Williams. Yeah. He hasn't been getting talked about in the off season, the way
07:56I thought he probably would. Caleb Williams took a massive step. And again, I still, I'm going to
08:02stand by. I, he was my favorite prospect of this group and I think he's going to be the best,
08:07but
08:07he's got some work to do, but I would say he's the one that could, you know, go all over
08:12the place
08:13on this. He could, he could move up. I mean, he can move up like the talent wise. He can
08:17move up
08:18number one, but he could also fall out like, and he's almost out now, but he could, he could not
08:24be
08:24a good quarterback. That's still on the table for Caleb Williams to me. Like he could, he could either be
08:29one of the top guys in this league or not good at all. Like he's not, I, you know, Drake
08:33Mays floor
08:34doesn't feel as low to me as Caleb Williams, but his ceiling's not as high either. True. Yeah. I'm
08:40with you. I think Caleb, by the end of the year, we could be talking about Caleb Williams as a
08:43top
08:44five quarterback. I think that's not unrealistic to think about, uh, based on the steps that he's
08:48taken is he's had to take the next one that we all thought that he would be whenever he was
08:52a
08:52college prospect. Everybody thought that he was the next Mahomes, right? He did all the crazy
08:56things on the field. So yeah, it's an interesting list. I think that for the most part, I think one,
09:03two, three, one, two, three is probably right. Especially considering him a home. Yeah. You
09:08got to tip your cap to what Stafford did. I think so. I think, and the hard thing about this
09:14list is
09:14like, are you predicting the way you think it's going to end this year or are you basing this off
09:19of last year? I think it's some combination. There's of course no way to define this stuff. I mean,
09:24I think the biggest, the biggest thing of the overarching of the NFL is that there's three
09:30superstars that are quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. And I think
09:34that Lamar has started to, to, you know, not take steps backwards, but lose the step that he had
09:41probably. Uh, and that's not like a literal berm. Like I think he's still super fast, but I don't
09:46think he's has played up to that top three mark the past couple of years. Matt Stafford played great.
09:52So I think you do slide him into there. I think that Lamar Jackson is still top five
09:56Joe Burrow, based on what your thoughts are on Joe Burrow, just because of the team that
09:59he plays around. If it's, if it's a question about Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow is a top four
10:03quarterback for sure. Uh, it's just one of the bingles do with Joe Burrow. This is, yeah.
10:07If this is a draft at the age, age included here, draft the quarterbacks, or maybe you even
10:14say, Nope, let's start it over for one year draft. Then this list probably looks
10:22it's different. Similar. I think it's a little different. I think that it's a little different.
10:26There's a lot of this that I think is, you know, subject to where they are and who they're
10:32with. Right. Like I think for sure. Yeah. Like is Jared off a top, top nine quarterback? No,
10:39I think he plays in a really high octane offense that gives them a lot of stats.
10:42I think he's the perfect quarterback for them. My, my argument I make for any comparisons
10:47like this, I always take this back to the Avery Johnson, Will Howard year. Uh, well,
10:52the year after, I guess, Will Howard's year at Ohio state. And people talked about it of
10:56like, like, wow, how come Will Howard wasn't doing this at K state? It's like, could you
11:02imagine Avery Johnson being the quarterback for Ohio state? Imagine how good they would
11:05be too. Like look at the players on that team. They were insane. So that that's the best
11:10like take, you know, Patrick Mahomes and put them on the lions. The lions will be
11:16really good. Take Patrick Mahomes and put them on the bears. The bears will be really
11:19good. You know? So the argument goes on like that. Uh, who's not the one missing to me
11:24that has a chance to like, you know, there, there's guys on here that you're like, Oh,
11:29they could easily get into the top 10. I think there's one missing that could be one
11:33and that's Jaden Daniels. Um, he's another guy that whole class is just always so
11:38interesting. But after the rookie year he put together and then last year he got
11:43hurt a bunch. Uh, I don't know if you saw this under the football next, there's a
11:49four way tie for 10th. Uh, and they had to do a tiebreaker, but it was Caleb
11:54Williams, Sam Darnold, Jordan love and Jaden Daniels, Jordan love. You're going to
11:59have to, you're going to have to sell me on the, on the love for Jordan
12:03love. I, what, what is, what are people so enamored with, with Jordan?
12:09He's okay. He's all right. But I don't know, man. And this list doesn't do it,
12:16but like I would use the, I'm not taking Jordan love over Dak Prescott. Like
12:21Jordan, what is Jordan love? I don't know, man. I can't, I can't do it.
12:29I can't do it with him. I think he's, I think he's okay. He had the third best
12:34QBR last year. Um, I, I think his numbers get there to some degree, but are
12:43you in on, on Jordan? I feel like the Packers have been the most
12:46underperforming good team in football for like the last two years. What is it
12:53that Jordan love is great at? I guess would be maybe my question.
12:59He doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. Is that what we're hanging our hat on?
13:03I was going to say, I'm not going to be able to rattle off stats off.
13:05I mean, like he's, but that like, think about when you watch him, like, what are,
13:09what do you get in? Like, what do you get excited about with Jordan love?
13:12I'm looking at his numbers. They're almost a mirror image last year of
13:16Jacoby Brissett.
13:21So like, what is it that we're so in his court again, like his quarterback
13:26rating or his QBR, whatever, whichever one you like ESPNs or, or the other one,
13:32like he's high in both of those, but man, I just can't, I don't ever get excited
13:36about him when I'm watching him play. I'm like, yeah, he's all right. They've
13:40drafted a billion wide receivers early over the years. It's not like they haven't
13:44given him weapons. They bring in Josh Jacobs and the Packers always
13:47underperform. And I'm just like, okay, like, I'm not saying he's not good.
13:52He's fine. He's good. He's a top half quarterback for sure. Yeah. I, I would
13:57agree that he's a top half quarterback, but I think that there's really
14:01CJ the NFL for the last, I mean, last five years, probably is such an
14:07interesting case study a little bit about quarterbacks, especially is that I
14:11think that you can point out, you can point out bad quarterbacks, but you
14:16could probably tell me the top five worst quarterbacks easier than you could
14:19say the top five best quarterbacks, because it's just easy to see the
14:22struggles, right? I think once you hit the threshold of, you know, number
14:2718 to number eight, right? I think it was all could be interchangeable.
14:32Pretty interchangeable. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I use that all the time when people
14:36wonder why Jordan love is a good example, gets just a mega contract or
14:41Kyler Murray. And like my answer to that is always so easy. And it's like, guys,
14:46have you seen NFL football when you don't have a competent quarterback? I think,
14:50you know, people always talk about, this is a kind of a stupid analogy, but it's
14:54Brian Scalabrini, you know who, you know, I'm talking about people. I know it's a
14:58deep hole. People always talk about how people talk crap on, on Scalabrini.
15:03It's like Scalabrini is closer to Jordan than you are to Scalabrini. Uh, and
15:08that, that's an extreme, but Jordan love is closer to Patrick Mahomes than Jordan
15:13love is to who you, who's the worst quarterback in it, but who's one of the
15:17worst quarterbacks, you know, JJ McCarthy had a bad year, something like that.
15:20Right? Like, yeah. Uh, he got dumped on a lot. Yeah. Um, I don't know. A
15:25quarterback that lost his starting job, fill in the blank X. Uh,
15:31how about, uh, who's, uh, who's the other quarter? Kenny pick it. Sure.
15:37Who's the backup. Uh, he's close. Yeah. We'll say, I mean, that's even the easiest
15:42way to say it is Jordan love is closer to the best quarterback in the NFL than he
15:45is to the best backup in the NFL. Like maybe there's maybe threshold where
15:50that's why they get paid. Exactly. Yeah. That's why they get, that's why they all get
15:54paid when it shouldn't surprise anybody that quarterbacks make that much because
15:57you like, I've always contended. You have to have a great one to, to win at the
16:03highest level. That's changing a little bit for a while. It was not even debatable.
16:09There'd only been like three and 30 years that were not like all like hall of fame
16:14quarterbacks winning super bowls. That has changed a little bit in the league the
16:18last few years, but you still gotta be good there. Like bad quarterbacks aren't
16:23winning super bowls. That doesn't happen. Yeah. So knowing that yeah, middle of the
16:29pack guys like Jordan love are going to get paid a boatload of money and that
16:33shouldn't surprise anybody. Um, max uses the example of drew blood. So I don't
16:37think drew blood. So was ever, and I don't know, are you saying blood? So is
16:41like love, are you saying blood? So would be the cup because blood. So had the
16:46gifts and the abilities for a lot of years is like one of the more gifted
16:49throwers of the football, but so was he lost his job to the backup. He did, but
16:56at a much later stage of his, didn't Trent Dilfer win a super bowl. He did. He was
17:01one of the Johnson Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson. Um, they were, they were about the
17:07only two, I think. And I think there might've been, Oh, Joe Flacco, whatever you
17:11think of Joe Flacco. Uh, but Flacco had his moments, Flacco had his moments, but as
17:17far as like the non hall of fame trajectory or caliber quarterback, like those were
17:22the only guys for third since Aikman there were, it's, we gone through like 30 years
17:26of this. It's wild. And it is, I think it is, we are backing off of it a little
17:33bit. Like Sam Darnold's not going to be in the hall of fame. So we're getting to
17:37this point where we've trended away from that a little, but it's taken a long time.
17:41And I think it's probably because the difference of, you know, between Josh Allen
17:46and Sam Darnold is smaller than whatever it was. Aikman, whoever, whichever quarterback
17:52then Tom Brady in the year 2000 to the worst quarterback in the year 2000. Like
17:56it's Russell Wilson. Now Russell Wilson has, is going to have a chance to be in the
18:00hall of fame. Um, you know, it didn't end well for Russell Wilson, but if you go stack
18:06up his numbers and you see championships, like he'll have it, he'll, he'll be in
18:09consideration for the hall by the time everybody forgets about Broncos, let's
18:14ride and all that nonsense. Like he was incredible. Didn't know who they, they
18:18paid somebody from the Packers and then he took the job in training camp. I forget
18:23who that guy was from the Packers. They paid him big money, a backup quarterback
18:28or something from the Packers who had a few games and they paid him. I can't
18:32remember his name. Oh, Malik Willis. And then Russell Wilson took his job in
18:36training camp and he, the guy never played. Oh, you're okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:40Well, Malik Willis was a backup that got paid this off season and he's going to
18:44go be a starter now. Um, which is wild. The quarterback, we, I can't wait for
18:50training camp so we can start to talk about some of this stuff. Like there are
18:54some crazy quarterback situations in the NFL going in. Like where's Tua Tonga
18:59Viola now? Uh, is Kirk Cousins going to be the starter for the Raiders? I brought up
19:04J.J. McCarthy. We don't know who the starter is going to be there yet either.
19:07Nope. We just assume it's Kyler Murray, but it's McCarthy make a late, you know,
19:12run at this thing. It's just, well, I can't wait for that to, you know, that I
19:16can't wait for that time. Like give me training camp to go through the obscure
19:19NFL storylines. Uh, we'll come back. We got more sports daily.