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00:00:00Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, I, Erich Pripke, was born on 29 July 1913 in Berlin.
00:00:16I married Alice Stoll in 1938 and my great sorrow is that she, my dear
00:00:32my lifelong companion, she is the person who has suffered the most in these three years.
00:00:50The specificity of this process is constituted by the way in which the fact occurred, by the inhumanity.
00:00:59It is not true that in war everything is permitted, it is not true that in war everything is permitted.
00:01:07We want to tell the civil parties that there is no conflict of interests between them and us.
00:01:21The dead in the Ardiatine Caves belong to everyone.
00:01:27Of course we all know the difference between good and evil and we experience it every day.
00:01:33But the problem is that when we are at war everything is bad.
00:02:00Of course we all know that there is no conflict of interests between them and the people who do not
00:02:02there is a conflict of interests between them and people who are not there.
00:02:34The name of the Italian Paolo declares that no action should be taken against the trippi eras that a written order is given
00:02:40in the epigraph,
00:02:40the crime itself being written due to the statute of limitations.
00:02:44The order is for the immediate release of the deputy if he is not detained for any other reason.
00:02:55It is the shame of the Italian Republic, of the Italian State.
00:03:00I have been following these things for 52 years because of my father's case.
00:03:24Good evening, a day resumes in the courthouse.
00:03:28This is the year of remembrance and so a day in the courthouse starts showing you the trial of Eric Priebke,
00:03:35one of the main perpetrators of the Ardeatine Caves massacre and the torture inflicted on the partisans in Via Tasso.
00:03:42At the end of the war, Eric Priebke escaped his responsibilities by fleeing to Argentina.
00:03:50From here he was captured, extradited and faced a first trial before the Military Tribunal in 1996.
00:03:59But from this trial, as we have heard, he was released because the crime was deemed to have expired.
00:04:05However, the Court of Cassation overturned this first sentence on procedural grounds and ordered that the trial be retried.
00:04:16And it is precisely the trial of Eric Priebke that we will soon see, again before the Military Tribunal.
00:04:22The trial is extraordinary because all the witnesses, the testimonies have taken this as their last opportunity to ask and
00:04:34to have justice.
00:04:36Eric Priebke, who I was telling you about, will be judged for the Ardeatine Caves and for the torture inflicted on the partisans in via
00:04:45Badger.
00:04:45Well, we will begin our story from this last chapter.
00:04:51Vila Sabatini, born in Rome on May 28, 1921.
00:04:56Public Commissioner, any questions?
00:04:58Mrs. Sabatini, what is your job? What do you do?
00:05:03I am a retired teacher and now I manage the Historical Museum of the Liberation in Rome.
00:05:10And where is the Historical Museum of the Liberation located?
00:05:13Via Tasso 145.
00:05:15Madam, after the liberation, your husband had the opportunity to talk to you about what he had seen and what he
00:05:22had suffered in Via Tasso?
00:05:24Certainly.
00:05:26Via Tasso is sadly engraved in the minds of Italians as the place where the Nazi fascists who occupied Rome interrogated
00:05:34political opponents,
00:05:35many of whom died under torture.
00:05:42But who conducted these interrogations?
00:05:45My husband told me that he was almost always interrogated by the officers.
00:05:50Before he told me that in his opinion he was number three in Via Tasso, after Kapler and Schutz.
00:05:57Did he tell you anything in particular about each of them? Did he give you any opinions?
00:06:03Yes, he spoke of Kapler as a person who had no direct control over his nerves.
00:06:12While he said about Pribeke that he was a person who apparently seemed less cruel, however he was much more controlled and more
00:06:21freezing.
00:06:22These are his words.
00:06:23Erber Kapler, commander of the Gestapo and the SS in Rome, was tried and sentenced to life imprisonment as early as 1948.
00:06:35In 1977, while he was hospitalized at the Il Ceglio hospital in Rome, for very serious health reasons,
00:06:43With the help of his wife Annalise he fled to Germany, where he died the following year.
00:06:48I was detained until June 3, 1944, in Via Tasso.
00:06:53And then I was deported to Germany.
00:06:56According to information circulating in resistance circles, what was the Gestapo organization on Via Tasso?
00:07:02The organizational chart of the officers in particular?
00:07:05They were a group of three or four officers who called the shots.
00:07:11One was called Schulz, the other was Kapler, the other one, as I later learned, was Pribeke, because I saw him.
00:07:19but I didn't know the name.
00:07:20These were the three best known, they were the ones who practically carried out all the activity, if we want to call it that, of
00:07:31investigation.
00:07:32Were you interrogated at Via Tasso?
00:07:34Yes, the then Captain Pribeke was present at one of the interrogations.
00:07:40When did you connect the name Pribeke with the officer who interrogated you under these circumstances?
00:07:48I would like her to understand that when you find yourself in those situations, you walk into a room and you see
00:07:55such a character.
00:07:57It's as if I had taken, let's say, a photograph with a Polaroid.
00:08:03These images have remained imprinted in my memory for years and I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous, because these memories of these
00:08:14situations are very distressing.
00:08:17That face remained stuck in my mind for years.
00:08:21When I saw these photographs in the newspaper, I hesitated a lot, because I wanted to give such a strong opinion on a person,
00:08:32knowing what the consequences might be, knowing my character, I had to be absolutely sure
00:08:41that the person I had seen corresponded to the person who was standing behind me that day in Via Tasso
00:08:47a nerve of darkness.
00:08:49Look at those two slightly ragged teeth you have there in front.
00:08:54That face I saw when I walked into that interrogation room, that's him.
00:09:02I saw a young boy being carried in, who was a soldier, in a very bad state, covered in blood, his whole face swollen, he was unrecognizable.
00:09:13So I approached this peephole and tried to speak to give him a hand, to help him.
00:09:21And he wasn't even responding at first because I think he fainted.
00:09:25Then little by little he told me, he beat me, he reduced me to the bad lieutenant, the ferocious lieutenant.
00:09:33And it was at that time that Pribi was called to Via Tasso as lieutenant.
00:09:38On February 18, 1944, after curfew, there was a knock at the door and I personally went to open it.
00:09:48I found myself faced with bayonets.
00:09:50They were looking for my mother and grandmother.
00:09:53They beat my grandmother to death when she resisted, standing in front of her daughter's body, because she was her daughter.
00:10:02which they were actually looking for.
00:10:04And they threw her, they made her get down badly, they dragged her down the stairs, they put her down, they locked her up in the cellar.
00:10:12Except then, poor grandmother, to resurface at the end of this whole legend.
00:10:17My mother was taken and sent to Via Tasso.
00:10:22Excuse me for a moment.
00:10:23In the antechamber, when Grandma emerged from the cellar bleeding, Mom said, my mother said to my Grandma,
00:10:32Please remember, Mom, these two are called Schutz and Pritke.
00:10:37Did they participate in the beating of your grandmother or not?
00:10:41Certainly yes.
00:10:41The two German officers.
00:10:43Yes, yes. And once it was established that he was taking his mother away, Pritke sat on his grandmother's bed.
00:10:49and called the command in Via Tasso.
00:10:52He called the command and said, we have taken the young woman, we can't take the old woman away because the old woman is
00:10:58bad.
00:10:58But maybe there's a girl here who speaks German very well and knows everything, maybe we can take her away
00:11:04she.
00:11:04But apparently they told him that at 13 it was a bit early, after which he closed this thing and cut the thread.
00:11:11of the phone.
00:11:12Was your father detained in Via Tasso?
00:11:14Yes.
00:11:14I am here out of my moral and civic duty because this is an episode of which I am directly aware.
00:11:22May I?
00:11:23Now he will tell everything he knows because I think...
00:11:25But we'll get there based on the questions the audience will ask her this evening.
00:11:29Oh, sorry.
00:11:30My emotion is also used because it wants to live...
00:11:32Calm.
00:11:33I only saw it once.
00:11:35My father.
00:11:36Did you see him on Via Tasso?
00:11:37I saw him at a window in Via Tasso on March 20, 1944, at 10 a.m.
00:11:44And she with her mother...
00:11:47My mother never saw my father, never had any contact.
00:11:52Were you not allowed to go and visit him while hunting?
00:11:55Damn, but my mother was never allowed to.
00:11:57My mother through Cardinal Maglioni, who was Secretary of State of the Vatican,
00:12:03he managed to get a private visit, so to speak, to my father.
00:12:08And on that occasion my father whispered to his cousin, Professor Guerreni, who reported
00:12:14to my mother, a certain name and it was Schult, not to be confused with Schutz, who was the captain.
00:12:20This was a...
00:12:21This Schult showed up after two or three days and was the actor from my father's tickets.
00:12:28My mother lived...
00:12:30Can I continue?
00:12:31Sure, there was.
00:12:31Look, you're anticipating my questions.
00:12:34Of course, these tickets were always paid for with substantial compensation, that is, gifts,
00:12:40cigarettes, gold objects, because if you imagine, my mother to have this channel...
00:12:48He thanked Schult with gifts.
00:12:49He would have, well, with these fallen, let's clarify them in this way.
00:12:54At the end of February, I would say, I don't know the date now, my father always expressed through
00:13:04This Schult, expressed the desire to see me.
00:13:07And since, now that word is not this, as they say, visit, this thing, it was authorized, but not authorized,
00:13:17from Captain Schutz, so he was aware of this, it would have been appropriate to give him a nice gift.
00:13:23My mother bought a chronograph, which to me appears not to be gold, but a chronograph, she gave it to this Schult
00:13:30to give to Schutz.
00:13:32Six or seven days later, that's the reason why I'm here, six or seven days later,
00:13:37he returned on one of this Schult's visits home, he said that Schutz's superior,
00:13:48Pribke, and this is a name that I remembered, had seen this watch, he liked it very much,
00:13:53and it would have been appropriate to have an equal one.
00:13:58On March 20th, my mother told me, I absolutely had to not look, I had to go to a certain place,
00:14:05stop, pretend to wait for someone and then leave after a few minutes,
00:14:10It was a beautiful day, these are things I can forget, and I had a new raincoat,
00:14:18It was one of the first times I wore a tie, and I arrived in front of Via Tasso,
00:14:23I got off from Piazza San Giovanni, in front of Via Tasso, where I had never been, never been,
00:14:27I never even knew, you see at the door of the German soldiers with the necklace, the SS, etc.,
00:14:37I continued, I reached the end of the building, the second to last window, of course I was 13 years old,
00:14:45I had done it then, my mother had told me not to look, I immediately started to look,
00:14:49and you see from the window, the second to last window, I don't remember if it's on the third or fourth floor, high up,
00:14:56first an undivided man, an undivided German, and immediately after a figure, which I struggled to recognize,
00:15:02who was my father, because he had a long beard, he was rather emaciated, he remained, I remained still like that,
00:15:09I couldn't move, my mother said, please, don't do it, she stood there for a few seconds,
00:15:14He said goodbye to me, and after four days he was dead, I took it, went back home, and that was all.
00:15:41My name is Rosina Stame, born in Rome on December 15, 1937.
00:15:49Mrs. Stame, can you then say the relative that you, indicate the relative that you have lost?
00:15:58in this circumstance, does the name mean?
00:16:02Nicola Ugo Stame.
00:16:04Why and when was he arrested?
00:16:07My father was arrested on January 24, 1944, why?
00:16:13Because he was a resistance fighter, he was a partisan, he was a partisan commander, he was a man who
00:16:23He loved freedom, and he paid, even before paying with torture and death, he paid
00:16:30even at the level of artistic career, as it has been raised, because there is a precedent,
00:16:42My father was also an anti-fascist, since 1939, the first time he was arrested at the Theatre
00:16:49of the Opera, while rehearsing Turandò, and was relieved of all artistic activities
00:17:01and then you govern the theaters, for this reason.
00:17:07My father had a request from a very big American businessman to go to America,
00:17:17we should have moved them all.
00:17:20He refused to stay in this wonderful Italy that I love, I love deeply,
00:17:28I believe and I still want to believe in its institutions, in its entire structure.
00:17:37He refused because he said that my duty would be the biggest coward if I left
00:17:44Italy at this moment, which needs its redemption, which needs freedom,
00:17:52of justice, of democracy, and that's why I'm here.
00:17:55But don't ask me anything else, because I'm suffering terribly.
00:17:59Yes, ma'am.
00:18:13I recognized him, I recognized him simply by his voice.
00:18:18Here, when? Do you remind us of this episode?
00:18:20And how can I forget it? March 11, 1944.
00:18:25By the way, it was my sister's birthday, my sister is the second, there are three of us.
00:18:31I was six years old at the time and my sister was turning five.
00:18:37And I was with my mother, my sister and my grandmother, dad's mother, waiting to see dad.
00:18:46in a cell where there were bars. In fact, I hate this room, because these bars make me feel sick.
00:18:54I feel bad. Because at a certain point the bars remind me of that cell right before my eyes,
00:19:01that haunts me throughout my life. This gentleman has come down, unknown to me, unrecognizable.
00:19:18So, if I understand correctly...
00:19:19And he called me, Rosetta. That's when I realized it was Dad, from his voice.
00:19:26Is it physically recognizable, you mean?
00:19:31Madam, one last detail, I apologize in advance.
00:19:37After the exhumation, it is true that it was ascertained that his father, an opera singer,
00:19:48had his chest been smashed during his detention, that is, before the shooting?
00:19:56Yes. It's from the autopsy, performed by Professor Ascarelli.
00:20:01Do you have any other news to report regarding the...
00:20:05No, I have a will, a sacred, moral will, that my father left me.
00:20:09I have that. And that's why...
00:20:12This one here... And anyway, beyond the fact that...
00:20:15My childhood was taken away from me all my life, on the threshold of my 60s.
00:20:21I still have to stay in force, because I have to live up to that will.
00:20:27I have that one.
00:20:29Do you want to report it, ma'am?
00:20:32We're talking about the interview that she...
00:20:36And with his father, in those circumstances.
00:20:38If you say so, please.
00:20:41I asked her, Dad, why are you in this terrible place?
00:20:50And he, taking me on his knees, told me, with so much love and sweetness,
00:20:57You see, my child, I am here so that all children like you can live in a free and just world.
00:21:11And I have to face this until my last breath.
00:21:19Madam, thank you and I apologize. I'm finished.
00:21:25Premises, questions, dimensions of the civil party.
00:21:27You're welcome, sir.
00:21:35SONIA D'OZI
00:21:37SONIA D'OZI
00:21:38SONIA D'OZI
00:21:59I lost my brother Gianfranco Mattei,
00:22:04who was in the Roman resistance and who died in Via Tasso after the terrible tortures he inflicted on him
00:22:16Mr. Kripke.
00:22:19After the chemical attempts...
00:22:22Excuse me for a moment, let's suspend the hearing for a moment.
00:22:27What happens?
00:22:30Is there a doctor, anyone?
00:22:38Who was his brother? What did he do? What did he do?
00:22:44My brother was a scientist who voluntarily left his role as a professor at the Polytechnic University of Milan
00:22:55to devote oneself entirely to resistance.
00:23:00Is it true that Natta, at the award ceremony, made a special gesture in memory of his brother?
00:23:09Yes, Professor Natta who recognized his primacy in the discoveries that had earned him the Nobel Prize.
00:23:18gave my mother, in memory of my brother, the Nobel Prize medal
00:23:25saying that it was Gianfranco's research that led to this award.
00:23:32How was your brother's body found?
00:23:36My brother's body was found in August of the following year, 1945, in the Prima Porta cemetery.
00:23:46My mother had wandered through all the Roman cemeteries to find the body
00:23:54and she couldn't, but with a mother's love she succeeded at a certain point
00:24:01to find my brother's remains and with the help of my doctor brother, another brother, to recognize them.
00:24:11Only signs of some deteriorated, broken bones and some sort of scars on the face were found.
00:24:23I have never interrogated anyone and I have never treated anyone brutally.
00:24:31During my time on duty, which I did in viattasso, I always tried to behave in the right way.
00:24:42Can you tell us about the attempt to save your brother from the conversation with Kappler?
00:24:50My mother was a very good friend of Monsignor Montini, who was then Secretary of State at the Vatican.
00:24:58We went to him and begged him to spare his life, also playing on the enormous respect the Germans had for scientists.
00:25:08And when Father Pancrazio Pfeiffer called me and my mother, he was still crying and said
00:25:19«What Kappler told me is terrible, he said that this communist Mattei doesn't want to talk
00:25:28and that only Prip, with his chemical and physical means, will be able to make him speak. He is terribly silent."
00:25:40And then my mother fell to the ground in a faint at this news.
00:25:46I understood at that moment that there was no hope for my brother.
00:25:53Rome is occupied by the Nazi-Fascists, who are now close to defeat, increasingly cruel and ruthless.
00:26:01The Americans are at the gates and the Roman resistance fights proudly and courageously
00:26:07to contribute to the liberation of their city.
00:26:10And it is in this climate that the bomb explodes in Via Rasella.
00:26:14In the centre of Rome, on Via Rasella, a group of resistance militants detonated a bomb
00:26:23while a German police company from the Bozze battalion was passing by.
00:26:30It is 3pm on March 23, 1944.
00:26:34Via Rasella is deserted, there is only a street cleaner busy with his work.
00:26:39From afar you can hear the measured footsteps of the 156 men of the Bozze battalion.
00:26:46The SS detachment, which like every day at that hour, travels the road with Teutonic punctuality.
00:26:54As the platoon advances, at the end of Via Rasella, a woman makes a sky.
00:27:00The street cleaner approaches the cart and lights something with a cigarette butt.
00:27:04and walks away at a good pace.
00:27:2118 kg of TNT exploded a few moments later, with a tremendous roar, hitting the SS column squarely.
00:27:2933 soldiers remain dead and dozens injured.
00:27:33The Terisks' reaction to the resistance attack is furious and senseless.
00:27:38They shoot blindly at the windows of houses.
00:27:45And my mother, who is still alive, well, maybe I tried to avoid this thing for him,
00:27:52she looked out from the top of the ledge together with the lady who lived upstairs,
00:27:56saying don't shoot, don't shoot, we're coming to open.
00:27:59And finally, we stopped, in short.
00:28:01Who went to open the door?
00:28:03Obviously the four adult men who were inside the house, who were my father, 36 years old,
00:28:09this Mr. Lausi who lived above us aged 55-56,
00:28:13and two boys aged 18-20 who lived with the family who lived on the first floor.
00:28:20She told us that her father was 36 years old at the time of these events.
00:28:24What activity did he do?
00:28:25He was an official of the State Attorney General's Office.
00:28:28His father had a pass that was valid,
00:28:30as well as for the Italian police forces, also for the German police forces.
00:28:33Also released in German.
00:28:36Only, since he was in his pajamas, obviously, he was taken as he was,
00:28:40and goodbye, he didn't have the possibility of having his documents on him.
00:28:51Everyone from the building came out.
00:28:53For the area.
00:28:55Everyone, including us, made us leave the house, leaving the house open,
00:29:02finding it later in a disaster.
00:29:04The specific reason, he probably missed it, I don't know,
00:29:09because there are 10-12 people among those rounded up in Via Rasella,
00:29:14send together.
00:29:15Ours were, I presume because they were two brothers, the cousin, the brother-in-law,
00:29:21all together, together they are finished.
00:29:25The communication, the telegram, which arrived after about 20 days,
00:29:29from the date of the civil war in the Ardiatine Caves.
00:29:32The text says that Volpone Guido, so much so that my mother, who did not know German,
00:29:36he went to a teacher there in Piazza Verbano to have it translated,
00:29:40that you have it, and this one here, not knowing what her husband was,
00:29:44in short, he translated it for her calmly.
00:29:46Ah, it says Volpone Guido there, he passed away.
00:29:49Well, the thing, it's not that he told her with a certain...
00:29:54And one last question, so you didn't see who was conducting the roundup on the street?
00:30:00No, I saw these four men on the street, right after I opened the door.
00:30:07and be taken away, immediately after the Germans came up.
00:30:11they opened, they broke down the doors, they did everything inside these houses.
00:30:15The search.
00:30:16The search, they have, I tell you, the jars of jam, of preserves thrown on the wall,
00:30:21the books were all open, broken, the cushions were sagging, in short, they did everything.
00:30:27Obviously they took us, women and children, to that little square I was telling you about.
00:30:32and they put us there against the wall and said
00:30:34if now inside the house we find weapons, ammunition, leaflets, in short, indications that there was some partisan there
00:30:43but we kill everyone.
00:30:44In saying this, but let's kill everyone, I was there, I was a kid, I said make us swear
00:30:50that is, I was shouting make us swear because if I swear it wasn't me
00:30:54probably maybe, well, in my naivety I thought it was enough
00:30:58and I was holding on to a gentleman in a white raincoat
00:31:03which I later learned was Police Commissioner Caruso.
00:31:06Police Chief Pietro Caruso, a diligent collaborator of the Nazis, was tried
00:31:11for having added to the list of partisans and Jews made by the Germans
00:31:14the names of 50 people randomly selected to reach the number needed for the retaliation,
00:31:2010 Italians for every dead German.
00:31:25Caruso was sentenced to death by firing squad.
00:31:38The Nazis then decide to kill 10 Italians for every German killed.
00:31:44We have to hurry and round up more than 300 people in a very short time.
00:31:50Among the first are the partisans of Via Tasso and those imprisoned in Regina Celi.
00:31:57Were you part of the resistance in 1944?
00:32:00Yes.
00:32:00In which group?
00:32:02The Catholic Communist Movement.
00:32:06Who operated in Rome?
00:32:08I operated in Rome, I was the military zone chief of the eighth zone.
00:32:11So you were arrested by the Germans for this activity?
00:32:15From, from COC, from COC band.
00:32:19So belonging to the COC band.
00:32:20The Italian SS.
00:32:21The Italian SS.
00:32:22I was tortured, had a nail torn out of me and was given a mock shooting.
00:32:27To intimidate her?
00:32:29Did they simulate a shooting?
00:32:30Yes, they had my father come, it was a place more or less big like this one.
00:32:34My father told me, if you know something, tell me.
00:32:36They have deployed a group of these bandits.
00:32:42He says, he speaks.
00:32:43I told my father, I have to talk.
00:32:46I told him what I knew, what I don't know, tell him and I will tell him.
00:32:49Full stop and low.
00:32:50Then, bad, they shot.
00:32:54I told him, I did this, but what can you shoot?
00:32:57I wanted to die, so they didn't scare me or anything, I just couldn't take it anymore.
00:33:03So, it ended there.
00:33:05I said, what can you shoot?
00:33:08So she was Queen Celi on March 23-24, 1944, when the prisoners were taken away.
00:33:16to be taken to the Herdiatine graves.
00:33:19Yes.
00:33:20Here, do you remember what happened?
00:33:24March 23rd was an ordinary day, no one, we knew nothing.
00:33:32I remembered it was early afternoon, it was a beautiful day though, I remember it
00:33:36Well.
00:33:36I saw a group of prisoners being pushed in.
00:33:42I saw that people were shocked, I recognized them immediately, people caught up in the infused air.
00:33:47I saw a boy, 15-16 years old, with a parannanzi, in Rome everyone knows what a parannanzi is,
00:33:54it's an apron, a green apron.
00:33:57And it had really impressed me, a guy with the front guard there.
00:34:02I had just noticed, all the peepholes, after a while, all closed.
00:34:07So we couldn't see anything anymore.
00:34:10But the prison guards, at that moment, started to chatter,
00:34:13that now the Germans are coming and taking you to work.
00:34:17Many of you will go north.
00:34:21Thank goodness, here if we put our feet out, then they have to catch us properly to bring us back in.
00:34:30So, I've heard these things.
00:34:35After a short while, I heard some doors being opened and closed, the bolt.
00:34:41So, the Germans have arrived and they are taking someone away.
00:34:46I heard in the door next to me, in the cell next to me,
00:34:54a gentleman called Edmondo Fondi, who finished the Fossa del Dattine.
00:35:00This was a man of about fifty years old.
00:35:05And I said, well, how come they bring Fondi to work and nobody calls me.
00:35:10I was twenty years old.
00:35:12Then I started knocking loudly on the door, because I had them open it for me.
00:35:15And there was a German officer and a prison sergeant outside the door.
00:35:21So I said, well, there was Fondi that they had withdrawn, it was there with them.
00:35:26And I said, like, take yourselves to Fondi.
00:35:28I'm twenty years old, I'm coming, I'm coming to work.
00:35:32And he says, let's see if you're on the list.
00:35:34He had two or three lists in his hand, plus leaves.
00:35:37He looked.
00:35:39I insisted, he looked, you don't agree.
00:35:42And no, it's not possible.
00:35:43But what would that be, you want to carry yourself, but what logic is this?
00:35:45Bring yourself to a fifty-year-old and don't bring yourself to me because I want to come.
00:35:52Then, at a certain point, he almost kicked me and threw me back in.
00:35:56The next morning, around half past seven, eight,
00:36:04and this also explains why I wanted to testify,
00:36:09because I had read in a newspaper,
00:36:12Kindro Montanelli said that if the partisans had surrendered,
00:36:17then there wouldn't have been the 335 deaths.
00:36:21It is not true.
00:36:21I mean, how can you say this when they were taken away in the morning?
00:36:25In the evening, picked up, brought, at least I saw them there,
00:36:29taken away in the morning, they were already dead.
00:36:32What does it mean if they showed up?
00:36:35Instead of 335, there were 350 of them.
00:36:38That's the point.
00:36:40And then who told him to show up?
00:36:42I saw her being taken away in the morning.
00:36:44So, the next morning, I saw a stretcher.
00:36:48And I say, and how is it?
00:36:50And I remember the night before, they take us to work.
00:36:54A stretcher is carried to work.
00:36:55A stretcher, I widened my eyes.
00:36:58I recognized the person on the stretcher.
00:37:00It was Lieutenant Fantacone, Alberto Fantacone,
00:37:03who had been a colleague of mine at the office.
00:37:05At Saib, which is there in Santa Maria Maggiore, there was.
00:37:10And then, next to him, who was carried away on a stretcher,
00:37:15there was Captain Avoglio, who was actually the head of the office.
00:37:19And he was a war invalid, with a glass eye.
00:37:22And he goes to work too.
00:37:24He was 60 years old.
00:37:25Next up was another Saib, 3,
00:37:28that I didn't know what the partisans did.
00:37:31Two years earlier, I had lost contact with them.
00:37:34And Frasca, afterwards,
00:37:37So, I connected everything back to the previous day.
00:37:40The Germans take me to work,
00:37:42I started screaming,
00:37:43murderers, murderers, murderers!
00:37:45I understood at that moment,
00:37:48where I would end up if they added me.
00:37:52At that moment I started screaming,
00:37:53murderers, but the whole prison,
00:37:55they shouted them together with me,
00:37:57murderers, murderers!
00:37:58The prison screamed, murderers!
00:38:00It's not true that they didn't know everything about the prison.
00:38:03That part there knew they were,
00:38:05that this is what was happening.
00:38:09335 people including Jewish partisans
00:38:12and citizens rounded up in Via Raselle.
00:38:15But the German command faces a problem,
00:38:18a huge problem.
00:38:19Where to shoot all these people?
00:38:22And above all without letting anyone know,
00:38:24secretly,
00:38:25without the whole city rising up
00:38:28in the face of such needless brutality.
00:38:31Site inspections are carried out.
00:38:34And Eric Prieb,
00:38:35who has always denied having organized
00:38:38and participated in the murder,
00:38:41to the massacre of the Aldeatine forces.
00:38:43Well, a witness in the courtroom denies it.
00:38:46and tells the court about that March 23, 1944.
00:38:52I happened to be passing by the Aldeatine stalls.
00:38:56Can I speak to Cristina?
00:38:57The Aldeatine gave.
00:39:00Since he had gone about iron,
00:39:03scrap metal,
00:39:05with the little caress,
00:39:07passing in front of the Aldeatine forces,
00:39:09I saw that there were some poles
00:39:12of telephones,
00:39:15that there were wires
00:39:17with copper pens,
00:39:18but I was out of use.
00:39:19As I was taking these threads,
00:39:21he was also like a little boy
00:39:23that I had put on guard
00:39:24always for fear that it would arrive
00:39:26some Germans,
00:39:28because in that era
00:39:29they were the only ones who were afraid.
00:39:32Galilean went far
00:39:34as a car was arriving,
00:39:37and a little mouse arrives,
00:39:38it was a camouflaged mouse
00:39:40with military colors
00:39:42and inside the mouse
00:39:44there was this German officer
00:39:46that I recognized
00:39:48and a civilian,
00:39:49both distinct,
00:39:51well, very elegant.
00:39:53Passing in front of the Aldeatine gavels,
00:39:55me standing like this
00:39:56so that I don't notice
00:39:58that I had taken the wires
00:40:00because otherwise it becomes sabotage.
00:40:03Here, I'll interrupt you for a moment.
00:40:04to ask for something.
00:40:05At the time the area of ​​the Aldeatine quarries
00:40:08was it an abandoned area?
00:40:09Yes, yes,
00:40:10it was a landfill.
00:40:13These two officers got off
00:40:15both
00:40:16and they went inside these arches.
00:40:21After 4-5 minutes,
00:40:223 minutes,
00:40:23I don't know how long it was,
00:40:24they succeeded,
00:40:25both,
00:40:27they succeeded,
00:40:29they took the car
00:40:30and they left again.
00:40:32And they went towards Rome,
00:40:33they were reborn in Rome,
00:40:34No?
00:40:35Because they had found
00:40:36the place that was needed
00:40:37for them to do
00:40:38the retaliation
00:40:39of these prisoners
00:40:42and it ends there.
00:40:45We sell the threads,
00:40:46let's go home,
00:40:47we sell the threads,
00:40:48let's make some deaf.
00:40:50Tomorrow morning
00:40:50do you want to do something?
00:40:52I wanted to go to the plain
00:40:53a few threads.
00:40:54And as we went there,
00:40:55I saw
00:40:56that in front of the Ardeatine forces,
00:40:58Like this,
00:40:59on the right side.
00:41:02Military trucks
00:41:03on which the prisoners
00:41:04they have been uploaded,
00:41:06once past Porta San Sebastiano,
00:41:08they stop on the Via Ardeatina,
00:41:10in front of the old Puzzolana quarries
00:41:11long abandoned.
00:41:17The prisoners
00:41:18they are made to descend
00:41:19and dazed and incredulous
00:41:21they are pushed
00:41:22five to five
00:41:23inside a cave.
00:41:34German soldiers,
00:41:35motionless along the tunnel,
00:41:36they await them
00:41:37with torches lit,
00:41:38while other soldiers
00:41:39they have the machine gun in their arms.
00:41:41There was a big pulma,
00:41:44of the tricks
00:41:44and some other cars
00:41:45and I felt
00:41:46continuously shooting.
00:41:48When I arrived
00:41:49in front of the Fosse Ardeatine
00:41:50I saw
00:41:51some things
00:41:53of execution
00:41:54that were shooting
00:41:55and they were shooting though
00:41:56to the jars
00:41:58and I think
00:42:00that that one
00:42:01was needed
00:42:01to make noise,
00:42:03so as not to be heard
00:42:04those who shot inside,
00:42:06inside the quarries
00:42:07at the Fosse Ardeatine.
00:42:13At a sharp command
00:42:15every soldier
00:42:16fire a sharp shot
00:42:17at the occiput
00:42:17or at the nape of the neck
00:42:18of a convict.
00:42:20The five that follow
00:42:21they assist
00:42:22to the execution
00:42:22of the companions.
00:42:25So it repeats itself
00:42:26for more than 60 times
00:42:28the macabre execution.
00:42:30when I entered
00:42:31one of the officers
00:42:32which then
00:42:32it was the fricche
00:42:34he made me
00:42:35in German
00:42:37with the hand like this
00:42:37and I say
00:42:38the Romans
00:42:40I say
00:42:40I don't eat any of it
00:42:42and he
00:42:43and then he spoke to me
00:42:45in the face
00:42:46with nerves
00:42:46right outside
00:42:47God's graces
00:42:49not understanding
00:42:50not understanding
00:42:51comrade
00:42:51I don't understand
00:42:52comrade
00:42:52At that time
00:42:53they were talking
00:42:54I
00:42:55shut up
00:42:56then then
00:42:57he started talking
00:42:57with the other officer
00:42:58that he had next to him
00:43:00and it shows
00:43:01what he told him
00:43:02to say
00:43:02Like this
00:43:03what does he do
00:43:04I bring it inside
00:43:04this too
00:43:05then the other one
00:43:06he did it to him
00:43:07sign
00:43:07as of
00:43:08little boy
00:43:08he ran away
00:43:09what they do
00:43:10there is a village here
00:43:12what's there
00:43:12I am
00:43:122000 people
00:43:13but here comes the father
00:43:14the mother
00:43:15all relatives
00:43:16what does he do
00:43:16they do another one
00:43:17tragedy here from outside
00:43:18he does something to us
00:43:20send him away
00:43:22Indeed
00:43:22he sent me to prison
00:43:23at the seat
00:43:24and mom left
00:43:26then after
00:43:27When
00:43:28in the evening
00:43:29it was understood
00:43:29an explosion
00:43:30and it was the explosion
00:43:31that they had
00:43:32made to fall
00:43:33the big ones on the street
00:43:34inanimate bodies
00:43:36dragged along
00:43:36along the tunnels
00:43:37will form in the end
00:43:38an impressive
00:43:40pile of three layers
00:43:41overlapping
00:43:45access to the quarry
00:43:46it is blown up
00:43:47with dynamite
00:43:52how and where
00:43:52he passed away
00:43:53his father?
00:43:54to the pits
00:43:55to the data
00:43:55on March 24th
00:43:56of 44
00:43:58Dad was
00:44:01official
00:44:01infantry major
00:44:04until September 8th
00:44:06then after September 8th
00:44:07after the fall
00:44:09of the
00:44:10let's say
00:44:10the dissolution
00:44:11of the Italian army
00:44:12he wore the clothes
00:44:14bourgeois
00:44:14and participated
00:44:16with a group
00:44:18justice and freedom
00:44:19to partisan activity
00:44:21in Rome
00:44:22she recognized
00:44:23his father's body
00:44:25his father's salvation?
00:44:26I being
00:44:28medical student
00:44:30of the first
00:44:30second year
00:44:31writing
00:44:32and I asked the professor
00:44:34Attilio Ascarelli
00:44:35what he did
00:44:36that work
00:44:37stony
00:44:37of exhumation
00:44:39of all the bodies
00:44:40to be able to
00:44:40assist
00:44:41to the exhumation
00:44:43of these bodies
00:44:44and he told me
00:44:44if he feels like it
00:44:45because dad is here
00:44:46Mom didn't come
00:44:47he didn't feel like it
00:44:48to recognize the body
00:44:49dad was recognized
00:44:50easily
00:44:51because special
00:44:52moving
00:44:52he understood
00:44:53That
00:44:54that was
00:44:55to be
00:44:58slaughtered
00:44:59he put himself
00:44:59in the right pocket
00:45:01a ticket
00:45:02it was written
00:45:02infantry major
00:45:03Carlo Olio
00:45:23the recognition
00:45:24it happened
00:45:25from March
00:45:27in June
00:45:27the body
00:45:29in what conditions
00:45:30era?
00:45:30was in state
00:45:31Of
00:45:31I am a doctor
00:45:32of saponification
00:45:34what do you need to say?
00:45:34the concept
00:45:35What is saponification?
00:45:37when the bodies
00:45:38hot
00:45:39they fall one
00:45:39on the other
00:45:40because they had been
00:45:41let yourself go up
00:45:41really
00:45:42one on top of the other
00:45:43on this
00:45:43there is no doubt
00:45:44the bodies
00:45:44they were
00:45:46practically
00:45:46it forms
00:45:48a substance
00:45:49what is called
00:45:50adipocere
00:45:51that is, a substance
00:45:52of saponification
00:45:53of warm bodies
00:45:55the soft parts
00:45:56they merge
00:45:58among themselves
00:45:59and form
00:45:59this adipocere
00:46:00which would be
00:46:01like two bars of soap
00:46:03wet
00:46:04rest
00:46:05one on top of the other
00:46:05Exactly
00:46:06Therefore
00:46:06practically
00:46:07the firefighters
00:46:09they did
00:46:09the firefighters
00:46:10with masks
00:46:12they had to detach
00:46:13these bodies
00:46:14one from the other
00:46:15that had saponified
00:46:16dad anyway
00:46:17it was recognizable
00:46:18he was missing the cap
00:46:19it was the gunshot
00:46:21the explosion occurred
00:46:22in the skull
00:46:24of the
00:46:24let's say
00:46:26of the victim
00:46:26and then
00:46:27the skullcap
00:46:29it had completely blown up
00:46:30the forehead was missing
00:46:31completely
00:46:32his father was among the first
00:46:34or among the last
00:46:34to be extracted
00:46:35Pope
00:46:35was extracted
00:46:37as a number
00:46:3721
00:46:3821
00:46:39And
00:46:40from what can be deduced
00:46:42which should be
00:46:42entered among the last
00:46:44Why
00:46:44the extraction took place
00:46:47progressively
00:46:48from the mouth
00:46:49of the Ardiadine quarries
00:46:50which means
00:46:51What?
00:46:52it means that they were
00:46:53have one come up
00:46:54on the other
00:46:54practically
00:46:55before being killed
00:46:56Certainly
00:46:57on the other hand
00:46:58the surface
00:46:59of the quarries
00:47:00where even today
00:47:02you can see
00:47:03it's a surface
00:47:04which is about half
00:47:05just over half
00:47:06of this classroom
00:47:07you can't think
00:47:08that 335
00:47:09were scattered
00:47:10one next to the other
00:47:11they should have occupied
00:47:12an area
00:47:14much much larger
00:47:16were made
00:47:16just go up
00:47:17above
00:47:18the shots
00:47:20still hot
00:47:21of the companions
00:47:23of the others
00:47:24In short
00:47:24I lost
00:47:26my cousin
00:47:26Romulus
00:47:27and two friends
00:47:28Fernando
00:47:29Norma
00:47:29And
00:47:31Gaston De Nicolò
00:47:33I would ask her
00:47:34Truly
00:47:35if he could spare me
00:47:37the memory
00:47:38of that period
00:47:39it's scary
00:47:40Why
00:47:41now it is a beautiful monument
00:47:43the Ardiatine
00:47:44Handsome
00:47:45it's beautiful
00:47:46Also
00:47:46the mausoleum
00:47:47Beautiful
00:47:48the burial ground
00:47:50but when
00:47:51we could go
00:47:52to visit
00:47:52these quarries
00:47:53the bodies
00:47:54they were lying
00:47:55inside the coffins
00:47:55long
00:47:56the corridors
00:47:57it was scary
00:47:58Why
00:47:58Truly
00:48:00there are flowers
00:48:00candles
00:48:01coffins
00:48:02in recognition
00:48:03there is no
00:48:04I didn't have the courage
00:48:05to go there
00:48:06because every time
00:48:07that we were going there
00:48:07we went out
00:48:08with the scent of death
00:48:09it seemed to me
00:48:10That
00:48:11that
00:48:13papuzzolana
00:48:14which then
00:48:14reddish
00:48:15he's sweating
00:48:15the blood
00:48:39how it was found
00:48:42the body
00:48:43of his father
00:48:43in what conditions
00:48:46Here you are
00:48:48Dr. Ascarelli
00:48:50he called
00:48:51be my mother
00:48:53that the aunts
00:48:55and told them
00:48:56he told my mother
00:48:57that my father
00:48:58era
00:49:01Unfortunately
00:49:01he didn't die right away
00:49:02my father
00:49:03it was far away
00:49:04distant
00:49:05from the pile
00:49:06of the dead
00:49:08he didn't have
00:49:10visibly
00:49:11wounds
00:49:12lethal
00:49:13if not
00:49:13a light one
00:49:14scratch
00:49:15on the leather
00:49:18scalp
00:49:18and it was
00:49:19aside
00:49:20so he's not dead
00:49:21Surely
00:49:22right away
00:49:23was
00:49:23buried alive
00:49:24his father
00:49:25he left
00:49:26a ticket
00:49:30to my dear
00:49:31Dina
00:49:31and to my daughters
00:49:34then there is some
00:49:35other
00:49:35goodbye in paradise
00:49:37your father
00:49:37and husband
00:49:38Antonio
00:49:42of the 335 victims
00:49:4475 are Jews
00:49:46and they are found
00:49:47one next to another
00:49:48to the other
00:49:48in a group
00:49:49separate
00:49:50even in the moment
00:49:51extreme of death
00:49:52the Nazis
00:49:53they had wanted
00:49:54leave a mark
00:49:55of their contempt
00:49:56racist
00:50:15Julia
00:50:1641226
00:50:17how many
00:50:19and which ones
00:50:20people
00:50:21apparent
00:50:23he lost
00:50:24to the forces
00:50:25arbitive
00:50:25I pray in silence
00:50:277 people
00:50:29the council family
00:50:31the family
00:50:31of my mother
00:50:32they were
00:50:333 brothers
00:50:35with their father
00:50:36and their grandfather
00:50:37their grandfather
00:50:40Frank
00:50:41it was the most
00:50:41young
00:50:41he was 17 years old
00:50:43the other
00:50:44Brother
00:50:45Santoro
00:50:4519
00:50:46and the other
00:50:47Marco
00:50:4721
00:50:48their father
00:50:49he was 44 years old
00:50:51and there were
00:50:52with them
00:50:53Also
00:50:53their uncles
00:50:54the other brothers
00:50:55of the father
00:50:55and the grandfather
00:50:58my grandfather
00:50:5975 years old
00:51:00Moses
00:51:01three generations
00:51:02Yes
00:51:0411 more
00:51:05they were
00:51:06deported
00:51:07that same day
00:51:08were taken
00:51:09in the same appidation
00:51:11for one
00:51:11series of things
00:51:14Unfortunately
00:51:15of coincidences
00:51:16fatal
00:51:16so 18 people
00:51:18they were taken
00:51:19that evening
00:51:20separated immediately
00:51:22in prison
00:51:23by Regina Celi
00:51:25the men
00:51:26started
00:51:27to the quarries
00:51:27ardiatine
00:51:28women
00:51:29and the children
00:51:30among which I repeat
00:51:31a newborn baby
00:51:3215 days
00:51:33and other children
00:51:3411 months old
00:51:352 years
00:51:363 years
00:51:36all started
00:51:37in the gas chambers
00:51:38of Auschwitz
00:51:40among those
00:51:41that I am
00:51:42were killed
00:51:43to the pits
00:51:44ardiatine
00:51:45there was one
00:51:4616 years old
00:51:47it seems to me
00:51:48there was Franco
00:51:48which he accomplished
00:51:4917 years old
00:51:50that very day
00:51:51and he found himself
00:51:52in the middle of
00:51:53by chance
00:51:55Why
00:51:55he had not been
00:51:56called
00:51:57but
00:51:58in the moment
00:51:59who saw
00:52:00that everyone
00:52:00his family members
00:52:02they came
00:52:04nominated
00:52:04and he came forward
00:52:06to say
00:52:06I'm coming too
00:52:07because we were talking
00:52:08who sent them
00:52:09to work
00:52:09in Germany
00:52:10and then
00:52:11so as not to separate
00:52:13from the father
00:52:13and from the other brothers
00:52:14he came forward
00:52:16it seems that
00:52:18a jailer
00:52:19he put it on him
00:52:20a hand
00:52:21on the shoulder
00:52:21to stop him
00:52:22but he
00:52:23he wanted
00:52:24follow
00:52:25his family
00:52:28Frank
00:52:28he was doing
00:52:29Exactly
00:52:3117 years old
00:52:32the 21st
00:52:33March
00:52:34the day
00:52:34who was arrested
00:52:35and strangely enough
00:52:37there are some things
00:52:38That
00:52:38for life
00:52:40you will remember them
00:52:41that morning
00:52:41Franco told me
00:52:44today is my birthday
00:52:45but I
00:52:46I feel very sad
00:52:48it's as if
00:52:50should it happen to me
00:52:51something
00:52:51remember well
00:52:53these opinions
00:52:53I remember them
00:52:55and I loved them
00:52:55tenderly
00:52:56because they were
00:52:56three brothers
00:52:57very good
00:52:58very close
00:52:59among themselves
00:53:00with the sisters
00:53:01with the family
00:53:02all
00:53:03and then
00:53:04the most terrible thing
00:53:06is that unfortunately
00:53:07in Madonna Street
00:53:07of the Mountains
00:53:08where they were
00:53:09taken
00:53:09Mr. President
00:53:11in the evening
00:53:12March 21st
00:53:13we heard
00:53:14the truck
00:53:15at curfew time
00:53:16that was passing by
00:53:17along that road
00:53:18tight
00:53:18and it was impossible
00:53:20that it was someone else
00:53:21truck
00:53:21it just had to be
00:53:22a German truck
00:53:23Why
00:53:25it couldn't be done
00:53:26circular
00:53:26so I
00:53:28under the window
00:53:29together with my mother
00:53:29under the shutter
00:53:30we looked out
00:53:32to see
00:53:33What
00:53:33was happening
00:53:34because our doubt
00:53:35was that
00:53:36they were going right
00:53:37at my grandfather's house
00:53:38and we saw
00:53:39actually
00:53:39that the truck
00:53:40he stopped there
00:53:43I remember
00:53:44only
00:53:44my mother's hand
00:53:46stop on my mouth
00:53:47why don't you scream
00:53:49Why
00:53:51a ferocious scream
00:53:52he was
00:53:53moving
00:53:54inside me
00:53:54and it's the same scream
00:53:55who accompanied me
00:53:56all my life
00:53:57maybe one day
00:53:58I'll take courage
00:53:59I'm going somewhere
00:54:00to scream
00:54:01Truly
00:54:02and maybe
00:54:03it will pass
00:54:03this anguish
00:54:05I don't know
00:54:06I don't know exactly
00:54:07how long
00:54:08step
00:54:08Mr. President
00:54:09gentlemen of the court
00:54:11Why
00:54:12the truck
00:54:13when he walked away
00:54:15he had brought himself
00:54:16away all the people
00:54:17that I loved
00:54:17I haven't seen them
00:54:18more for life
00:54:19I won't know anymore
00:54:20nothing of theirs
00:54:21I won't know anymore
00:54:25I won't know anymore
00:54:55when I found out
00:54:59also in character
00:55:00of a historical nature
00:55:00I remembered
00:55:01that my mother
00:55:02that she was a good woman
00:55:04who was shopping
00:55:05one fine day
00:55:06he came home
00:55:07and in the
00:55:08in the bag
00:55:10of the expense
00:55:11under the broccoli
00:55:12there were three-pointed gods
00:55:13I remembered
00:55:14that then I too
00:55:15I threw away the three-pointed gods
00:55:16I remembered
00:55:18that of the Germans
00:55:18who were walking
00:55:19on the belly
00:55:20on the chest
00:55:21in the head
00:55:21I couldn't take it
00:55:22absolutely more
00:55:23someone thinks
00:55:24or he thought
00:55:25that the massacre
00:55:27of the pits
00:55:27Ardeatine
00:55:28is attributable
00:55:30to the attack
00:55:30of Rasella Street
00:55:31completely forgetting
00:55:33the climate
00:55:34of those years
00:55:35of those days
00:55:36the deportation
00:55:37of the Jews
00:55:38the tortures
00:55:38the violence
00:55:39which involved
00:55:40the Nazi occupation
00:55:42well
00:55:43us
00:55:44we share
00:55:45in full
00:55:45the words
00:55:46pronounced in the classroom
00:55:48from the lawyer
00:55:49of the civil party
00:55:50of the Jewish community
00:55:51our country
00:55:53destroyed
00:55:54vilified
00:55:55trampled
00:55:56invaded
00:55:57it was the cause
00:55:58of Rasella Street
00:55:59and not
00:56:00Rasella Street
00:56:01the cause
00:56:02of the pits
00:56:03Ardeatine
00:56:04I have to say
00:56:05That
00:56:06my friend
00:56:07De Nicolò
00:56:08is dead
00:56:08for a just cause
00:56:10they are not all dead
00:56:11for the same reason
00:56:12one of the problems
00:56:14main
00:56:15which arises
00:56:16at the court
00:56:16to judge
00:56:17Erich Prieb
00:56:18what is this
00:56:19who gave
00:56:20the order
00:56:21and above all
00:56:22to this order
00:56:23we could have done it
00:56:24oppose?
00:56:25Kappler
00:56:26it was a
00:56:27police officer
00:56:29obtuse
00:56:30That
00:56:31he performed
00:56:33the orders
00:56:34without giving
00:56:36space
00:56:37to
00:56:38uncertainties
00:56:39doubts
00:56:40or ratings
00:56:41of character
00:56:41staff
00:56:42but
00:56:43in the species
00:56:44In the
00:56:46tragic
00:56:47event
00:56:48of the pits
00:56:48ardiatine
00:56:49Kappler
00:56:51he didn't have
00:56:52choice
00:56:53Why
00:56:54the order
00:56:55came from
00:56:55from Hitler
00:56:56the only one
00:56:58possibility
00:56:59by Kappler
00:57:00of not
00:57:01to execute
00:57:02the order
00:57:03era
00:57:03to commit suicide
00:57:04the 24th of
00:57:06March
00:57:061944
00:57:08at noon
00:57:11Kappler
00:57:12communicated
00:57:13to everyone
00:57:13us
00:57:14that we had to
00:57:16Do
00:57:17an execution
00:57:18the order
00:57:20he was coming
00:57:21directly
00:57:22from Hitler
00:57:23and we had to
00:57:24run it
00:57:25us
00:57:27Pridiche
00:57:28participated
00:57:29to the compilation
00:57:30of the list
00:57:31Pridiche
00:57:32participated
00:57:33to programming
00:57:34of the execution
00:57:36collective
00:57:37of the pits
00:57:38ardiatine
00:57:38but he tells us
00:57:39himself
00:57:40Yes
00:57:40Yes
00:57:42but he wrote it
00:57:43he says
00:57:44he says
00:57:46we were told
00:57:47that was supposed to be
00:57:48conduct
00:57:48a search
00:57:49we were told
00:57:50There
00:57:51to me
00:57:52and to the others
00:57:53it means there
00:57:54we were told
00:57:55that was supposed to be
00:57:56conduct
00:57:57a search
00:57:58in all directors
00:57:59of the office
00:57:59and that all
00:58:00those people
00:58:00which had been
00:58:01condemned
00:58:02to death
00:58:02from the courts
00:58:03Germans
00:58:04for crimes
00:58:04against the troops
00:58:05German
00:58:05they had to be
00:58:06killed
00:58:07all night long
00:58:09all night long
00:58:10we searched
00:58:11us
00:58:11we searched
00:58:12Before
00:58:12person
00:58:13plural
00:58:14all night long
00:58:15we searched
00:58:16in the directors
00:58:17we didn't succeed
00:58:18to find
00:58:18a number
00:58:19of people
00:58:19sufficient
00:58:20to reach
00:58:21the number
00:58:21required
00:58:22for the execution
00:58:23etc.
00:58:24the decision
00:58:26environment
00:58:26to the group
00:58:27or to the single
00:58:28that were supposed to be
00:58:29slaughtered
00:58:31which would then have been
00:58:32slaughtered
00:58:33to the pits
00:58:33Germans
00:58:33it's a fact
00:58:34next
00:58:35and what was
00:58:36in the exclusive
00:58:36management
00:58:37by Herbert
00:58:38Kapler
00:58:38It's Pribb
00:58:40which must
00:58:41do his part
00:58:42part
00:58:42must do
00:58:44his part
00:58:45because he
00:58:46he is an officer
00:58:47of the SS
00:58:47because he received
00:58:49this order
00:58:50because he can't
00:58:50do without
00:58:51penalty
00:58:52his
00:58:53life
00:58:54life
00:58:55life
00:58:56life
00:58:56schutz
00:58:57he gathered
00:58:58all the command present
00:59:00and he told us
00:59:01who has any idea
00:59:04not to shoot
00:59:05can start right away
00:59:08together with the victims
00:59:09because it will be
00:59:11him too
00:59:12shot
00:59:14of the execution
00:59:15of the order
00:59:16he only answers
00:59:17who gave
00:59:18the order
00:59:18unless it is
00:59:20of the execution
00:59:21of an order
00:59:22which constitutes
00:59:24manifestly
00:59:24the crime
00:59:25to duty
00:59:26of obedience
00:59:26takes over
00:59:27the duty
00:59:28of disobedience
00:59:29the same
00:59:31the same
00:59:31in the memorial
00:59:32which was
00:59:33said yesterday
00:59:34what does he say
00:59:36in the last
00:59:37analyses
00:59:37he says
00:59:38but I
00:59:38I was taking a risk
00:59:39I was taking a risk
00:59:40to go
00:59:41to finish
00:59:42on the front line
00:59:43Well yes
00:59:43because this was it
00:59:44that was at risk
00:59:45there was a risk
00:59:47to go
00:59:47to finish
00:59:48on the front line
00:59:49there was a risk
00:59:50to go
00:59:51to do
00:59:51the soldier
00:59:52and not
00:59:53the Guzzino
00:59:54I was
00:59:56how I am now
00:59:57a believer
00:59:59and if he had
01:00:01could have avoided
01:00:02that horror
01:00:03I would have avoided it
01:00:06I have never
01:00:08approved
01:00:09the persecutions
01:00:10racial
01:00:10and I always have
01:00:13thanked
01:00:13God
01:00:14that I have never
01:00:15had to do
01:00:16Nothing
01:00:17How much
01:00:17I'm fine
01:00:18thank you very much
01:00:22public prosecutor
01:00:24asks
01:00:24the sentence
01:00:26of the accused
01:00:28without
01:00:29concession
01:00:30of some
01:00:30mitigating circumstances
01:00:31to the maximum penalty
01:00:32expected
01:00:33from ours
01:00:34ordering
01:00:35which is
01:00:35the penalty
01:00:36of life imprisonment
01:00:36never
01:00:37as in this
01:00:38case
01:00:39the sentence
01:00:40of men
01:00:40it must be right
01:00:41and inexorable
01:00:43that God
01:00:44give him
01:00:44still life
01:00:45and so on
01:00:47long
01:00:47until today
01:00:48he granted it to him
01:00:49sufficient
01:00:50to join
01:00:50to feel
01:00:51to scold
01:00:52the fault
01:00:52still a lot
01:00:54is granted
01:00:55to atone for it
01:00:57how could he
01:00:59appear
01:01:00to the eyes
01:01:01by Pribke
01:01:01that action
01:01:02as
01:01:04if not
01:01:06legitimate
01:01:07if not
01:01:08justified
01:01:09if not
01:01:11allowed
01:01:13if not
01:01:14authorized
01:01:19you have to
01:01:20feel
01:01:20for a moment
01:01:21Pribke
01:01:22all three
01:01:23for a moment
01:01:24Pribke
01:01:24Pribke
01:01:25at o'clock
01:01:2613 of 24
01:01:27March
01:01:281944
01:01:31When
01:01:32they tell him
01:01:33get ready
01:01:34that in an hour
01:01:35let's go kill
01:01:36300 people
01:01:39why so
01:01:40he wants Hitler
01:01:40why so
01:01:41he ordered
01:01:42Kesserling
01:01:42why so
01:01:43he ordered
01:01:43Mackelsen
01:01:44why so
01:01:44he ordered
01:01:46Melzer
01:01:46why so
01:01:47I order you
01:01:48I
01:01:48that I am
01:01:48your
01:01:49commander
01:01:54because there are
01:01:5532
01:01:56yours
01:01:58comrades in arms
01:01:59that are there
01:02:00they lie
01:02:00corpses
01:02:01and there are some
01:02:01another 60
01:02:02with mutilations
01:02:03horrible
01:02:05why these
01:02:06bastards
01:02:07of Italians
01:02:07that they have for us
01:02:08already betrayed
01:02:09once
01:02:09they continue us
01:02:10to strike
01:02:10behind
01:02:11and it's true
01:02:12It is not true
01:02:13that they
01:02:13they had everything
01:02:14the right
01:02:15to feel
01:02:16betrayed
01:02:17that they were
01:02:18because they felt
01:02:20they were betrayed
01:02:22sure for us
01:02:23it's a sport
01:02:24national
01:02:25I gave
01:02:26in charge
01:02:27to my son
01:02:27James
01:02:28of the middle school
01:02:29to do
01:02:30a little check
01:02:35since 1848
01:02:38First World War
01:02:39of independence
01:02:40President
01:02:41we don't have
01:02:42finished
01:02:42a war
01:02:43alongside
01:02:44of those
01:02:45with which
01:02:46we have it
01:02:46started
01:02:47we don't have any
01:02:49finished one
01:02:49we have reserved
01:02:51our
01:02:51small services
01:02:52to the French
01:02:53to the Austrians
01:02:54to the Germans
01:02:55to the Prussians
01:02:55to the English
01:02:56we don't have
01:02:57looked in the face
01:02:58to no one
01:02:59we were
01:03:00fair-minded
01:03:01in this
01:03:03a people
01:03:04that passes
01:03:04to history
01:03:06us
01:03:07in principal
01:03:08firm
01:03:09the subordinate clauses
01:03:10emerged
01:03:11from the course
01:03:12of the discussion
01:03:12we ask you
01:03:13non-punishability
01:03:15by Eric Pribke
01:03:17Why
01:03:18for having acted
01:03:19in the execution
01:03:20of an order
01:03:20deemed
01:03:21legitimate
01:03:25in the name
01:03:26of the people
01:03:26Italian
01:03:28Court
01:03:28military of Rome
01:03:29to the public
01:03:30urgence
01:03:30of the 22nd
01:03:30July
01:03:311997
01:03:32declares
01:03:33the defendants
01:03:34responsible
01:03:35of the crime
01:03:36continue
01:03:37from the burdened
01:03:37their austerity
01:03:39and granted
01:03:40to both of them
01:03:41the circumstances
01:03:42mitigating circumstances
01:03:42condemnation
01:03:59Pribke
01:04:29Eric Pribke
01:04:31had next
01:04:31Always
01:04:32always to
01:04:3223
01:04:33and 30
01:04:34about
01:04:34Always
01:04:35on the third
01:04:35net
01:04:36and this evening
01:04:37the next one
01:04:38week
01:04:38we will move
01:04:39in Bolzano
01:04:40for an intricate
01:04:41history
01:04:42of a disappearance
01:04:43of a girl
01:04:43Until we meet again
01:04:44With my brave rostrum, my blood and my father, I will put it out.
01:04:53And your daughter, before loving you, cannot stop your tyranny.
01:05:06And your daughter, before loving you, cannot stop your tyranny.
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