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The edition of To The Point addresses two financial controversies: the theft of donations at the Ayodhya Ram Mandir and a Rs 600 crore Delhi hospital procurement scam.
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00:01Good evening, you're watching To The Point. I am Preeti Chaudhary. Our top focus, two big scams, one common thread.
00:08And at the centre of both is you, a citizen of this country.
00:13Tonight we ask two very simple questions. Who is looting your faith and who is looting your right to health
00:20care?
00:21Scam number one, the alleged daylight robbery of your faith, your devotion, your donations.
00:27Every rupee offered in the name of Lord Ra was given in faith, not for luxury, not for personal gain,
00:35but for a sacred cause close to those who gave.
00:40Yet, month after month, allegedly that money, that donation, donated by you, may have funded lavish lifestyles for those entrusted
00:50with safeguarding your trust.
00:52This is not just a financial scandal, but a betrayal of millions of devotees.
00:58The trust of the people has been shaken, yet the Ram Mandir Trust continues to function.
01:03It has not been dissolved.
01:05There is no court monitored inquiry, there is no CBI investigation, but a state set up SIT.
01:12Tonight we ask why.
01:13If the allegations are serious enough to warrant an investigation, why isn't there an independent probe?
01:19Why shouldn't the trust be disbanded or placed under an interim administrative arrangement until the real truth is established?
01:30This is Ayodhya.
01:31Let's get you now to the capital of this country, New Delhi.
01:35Scam number two, the alleged daylight robbery of your right to health.
01:41The Delhi Anti-Corruption Branch was registered an FIR alleging a supplier official nexus that siphoned off more than 600
01:51crores through massively inflated medical procurement for government hospitals in Delhi.
01:57The allegations are staggering.
01:59X-ray machines allegedly supplied to other hospitals for around 10 lakhs were procured at approximately 33 lakh rupees each.
02:06Total cost of procurement of these X-ray machines, 148 crores.
02:11What's the actual cost?
02:1345 crores.
02:14The purchases, and that's just the tip of the iceberg by the way.
02:17The purchases were made by the Central Procurement Agency of the Directorate General of Health Services for Delhi Government Hospitals.
02:25If these allegations are true, this isn't merely about inflated invoices.
02:32It is about public money, the taxpayers' money, your money, my money.
02:36Money meant for patients, for Delhi hospitals and life-saving healthcare being diverted through an alleged procurement racket.
02:44Two alleged scams, two sectors that citizens hold sacred.
02:50One, faith.
02:52The other, healthcare.
02:54But there is one question that echoes through both.
02:58Who is accountable?
03:00And that's our top focus on To The Point this evening.
03:04First up, allow me to take you through the headlines.
03:12Insider Nexus in donation counting scam accused revealed they exploited CCTV blind spots,
03:18confesses donation cash hidden in bathrooms taken out.
03:21Sources also say that trust recovered loot before police probe.
03:30After 11-year-old Vihan was killed in a Mumbai tragedy post a tree falling on a school bus,
03:36BMC has now set up a probe panel and given it an eight-day deadline to submit its reports.
03:45There is a twist in the Lohagar murder probe.
03:47Ketan started suspecting fianc├й Sia's affair with Chetan.
03:51Ketan and Sia's horoscope showed a perfect match.
03:54Which cops recreates sequence of events.
04:01TMC MP Mahua Moitra alleges BJP leaders hurled eggs and eggplants were at TMC's office hurled in Kaligaj.
04:15Pro-Pak voices seek talks with Pakistan,
04:18117 Indians and Pakistan citizens back normal ties.
04:22Farooq Mehbooba Mufti, RJD's Manoj Jha signatories,
04:25former RAW chief ex-Manta aid Humayu Kabir all signed.
04:29Pakistan still shenters Mumbai and Pulwama attackers in their sperm stand.
04:34No talks and terror will not go together.
04:49All right, the latest coming in on the Chanda Chori.
04:52All of this that had taken place in Ayodhya Ram,
04:56Mandir explosive documents of loot with India.
04:59Today, files reveal what was stolen and in the manner in which it was stolen,
05:04the modus operandi.
05:05The files state trust have recovered loot before probe police documents submitted to the probe team.
05:11What do these documents actually entail?
05:14We're going to cut across to my colleague Samar Shrivastar for more.
05:17Samar, over to you.
05:22See, India 2.0 TV has recovered a lot of documents which clearly shows whatever has been recovered from those
05:28particular culprits who are currently behind the bars in that particular case.
05:32And we have seen many currencies from outside India have been recovered, some silver chains and some ornaments have also
05:39been recovered, 20 lakhs, 17 lakhs.
05:42You cannot even count the number, there's a huge number out there of cash being recovered from different Indian currencies.
05:49So that's a big revelation on India 2.0 TV and that's what the police teams have been referring to
05:54since day one.
05:54And that's why the investigation is on in this particular matter.
05:57Raids also happened across the Lovkush residence today.
06:00Not just that, the role of Anil Mishra is under the scanner.
06:03As another interrogation happened yesterday in the jail where those particular culprits who are behind the bars accepted their crime
06:11and clearly said they used the washroom to hide the money.
06:14They had the idea of the CCTV footages where the CCTV camera is placed.
06:18So they had known everything, how to in a way hide the particular money, how to in a way get
06:25into the theft thing.
06:26And that's what was happening since long in Ramjana Mhumumi area where the entire trust is.
06:31The big question is whether Shampath Rai, Anil Mishra and all the big names knew this.
06:35That's a big question and that's why now another big update from UP is that the SIT has been given
06:4015 days more time for the further interrogation, investigation.
06:45Earlier it was found that there could be some small people out over there, employees over there.
06:51But it seems to be a bigger nexus and that's why SIT has taken much time for the revelation, more
06:57than 15 days.
06:58It's going to be worth seeing what the final report will say.
07:00Back to you.
07:01Alright Samartha, thank you for joining us.
07:03We're going to continue to come back to you for further updates.
07:05Meanwhile, the Ram Mandir donation theft case is throwing up fresh and startling details.
07:10You just heard a bit on the latest documentation that has been recovered.
07:15After multiple arrests, eight in total, investigators now claim the accused have confessed,
07:20has revealed how they allegedly exploited security loopholes inside the temple complex
07:24and exposed an alleged nexus that helped the stolen donation money change hands.
07:29Even as the Sri Ram Janambhumi Teer Chetra Trust tightened security, the political slugfest has intensified.
07:37One question constantly needs to be asked viewers.
07:40How is it that the trust continues to function while being under the spotlight of theft of donation,
07:47where interrogation is still being carried on on some of the trust members?
07:52Shouldn't it be disbanded pending inquiry?
07:55And then the members can be reinstated if not found guilty.
08:07Another day, another twist in Ram Mandir donation theft probe.
08:12All eyes are now on the mystery box recovered from the yoga centre
08:16associated with one of the main accused, Avinash Shukla.
08:22The box inscribed with Ram Raj Kosh also had a QR code for online payments.
08:31This is the case of Ram Raj Kosh.
09:02India today in SideScoop reveals that the accused has confessed to the crime.
09:07They have also exposed the nexus between the trust employees and bank officials,
09:12who took cut from the stolen money.
09:15Investigators were told that all the accused were familiar with the location of cameras
09:20installed inside the complex.
09:22The accused allegedly used this knowledge to avoid detection and hid the money in places
09:28such as bathrooms, before removing it later, whenever they found an opportunity.
09:34The accused also told police that cameras installed inside the police complex were monitored from
09:40a control room, but surveillance staff were not actively tracking their movements.
09:47After the donation theft came to light, Ram Mandir Trust has revamped the security measures.
09:5312 people will be given the duty to monitor security feeds.
09:57Dress code will be must to enter the counting rooms.
10:01And multi-layer security checks will be in place for employees involved in counting of cash.
10:08Opposition is going all guns blazing against BJP, calling the theft breach of Ram Bhakt's trust.
10:23Dress code will be in place for a long time.
10:56efforts to recover the embezzled money had already begun but can this restore the
11:02astha of crores of ram devotees with samarth shrivastav bureau report india today
11:13all right let's cut across to our face-off this evening joining me pradeep bhati samajwadi
11:17party spokesperson sanju varma national spokesperson bjp both of you will be getting a two minute time
11:22uh to put your point and your party's perspective forward i would like to begin with sanju varma
11:27sanju varma you've been a biggest proponent of independent inquiries and i can go across
11:32number of states where you've asked for a cbi inquiry you've asked for an independent court
11:35monitored inquiry for everyone who's even given one rupee in the name of lord ram today why shouldn't
11:41that person be accorded a cbi inquiry or a court monitored inquiry why should we trust uh sIT
11:49which has been put together by the uttar pradesh state government on a trust that was constituted
11:55with the help of the state government you know priti let me make one thing very clear yes
12:01yes we are and when i say we i say that in my capacity as the national bjp spokesperson
12:07am i angry upset disturbed hurt oh most certainly yes i'm not going to shove the uncomfortable truth
12:13under the carpet and say sub changasi but thank god it is the double inch in sarkar in uttar pradesh
12:19that sIT was instituted within hours of the whistleblower making allegations we did not hide the
12:27uncomfortable truth under the carpet and say that nothing will happen if i was lost against eight
12:32people their judicial custody has been extended five more are being interrogated the move point
12:38comes down to champatrai gopal rao and dr anil mishra people ask oh choti machlion ko kakar liya
12:44bari machlion ko aap jane denge kya no if champatra is guilty if dr anil mishra is guilty if gopal
12:50rao
12:50is guilty let them be held accountable but the trust is meeting on the 6th of july to take cognizance
12:58of the future course of action and to decide on their resignations now the second question whether
13:04there will be a cbi inquiry or not let's wait the bjp is not saying that sIT kathit ho
13:10hei toh sab kuch achha hai but my limited point is congress for the longest time said prabhu raam
13:16toh hei nahi lord raam is a figment of the imagination of hindus aur aaj rahul gandhi darbari ecosystem
13:23bjp ko raam mandir ar prabhu raam par hashan de raha hai that is the height of hypocrisy priyanka
13:29badra has written opeds and you know said 101 things about the victims in gaza aaj tak hindu
13:36ko jab sarkan se juda bol kar hunka gala red diya gaya priyanka badra has never even condemned it
13:43or criticized it now coming to the samadwadi party mulayam sinh yadav fired on unarmed car
13:49sevaks in 1990 including gunning down 20 year old kothari brothers so akhinash yadav
13:57hamei raam mandir par bhashan de na bandh kije hai humko jo karna hai hum karenge
14:02without fear or favor
14:05ma'am your time has run through uh you talk about mulayam sinh yadav but in 2023 it was your
14:12own
14:12government who conferred him the padma vibhushan so if there was so much angst against mulayam
14:17sinh yadav why did your government give him a padma vibhushan i'll come back to you on that question
14:21but another added question as well i want to bring in the samajwadi party spokesperson into this
14:25samaj mr pradeep bhaati is with us mr bhaati the question is very clear nobody is denying that
14:31there has been loot of donation and the money that have been given by devotees to the ram mandir
14:37you can raise questions and you should raise questions because you are the political opponent
14:41of the bjp government in the state of uttar pradesh but isn't it prudent to wait for an investigation
14:49to be complete for the si to be made public to raise these questions because investigation
14:54is still being carried on thank you priti and good evening to all on one hand uh up chief minister
15:02is saying sab changas and here uh spokesperson is saying no sab changas nahi hai up chief minister
15:10has made approximately hundred visit to the frequently holding meeting with the trust members also
15:15yet he remained oblivious and perhaps he was fully aware all along in either scenario the current
15:21can a cm cannot be effectively managed a single trust he clearly lacked the competence to govern the
15:26entire state just uh as lord krishna ultimately did not spare shishupal even he crossed the limit of
15:33hundred mistake how can we expect the people of uttar pradesh will spare the cm of your yogi in 2027
15:41elections he has always taken a uh he has not taken any action on the registry fraud which has happened
15:47long time back in 2021 and allow corruption to occur in the right under his nose now what we can
15:54expect
15:54from the up government who is caught head in glove until the proven otherwise as state government
15:59representatives were also in the uh member in the same trust how the state government can wash away his
16:05hands from this story and how can the accused be an investigator or judge also at the same time so
16:11it
16:11seems to us a sham fight and a sham investigation pointing fingers elsewhere do not erase your
16:18decority happen in the law uh lord uh ram mandir and this is uh what about sim uh won't work
16:26all the
16:26time bjp ki chal lad kada ariya charit wo bacha nahi hain or chehra wo chupa te ghoom rahe the
16:33the same
16:34thing has happened uh in the other corruption cases every time they come up with the new stories
16:39and they try to criminalize everything uh there was so many investigations uh so many checks and balances
16:47uh were introduced in fact uh question at the time by the sbi and other agencies also there was no
16:54standard operating procedure was followed still they neglect everything just to loot this so uh what
17:01our position is demanding we are demanding the accountability we are demanding your time is up
17:05i'll come back to you for your two minutes later i want to cut across back to sanju varma sanju
17:09varma
17:11one thing let's say is true that the bharatia janta party championed the cause of the ram mandir
17:16but does that automatically make the bharatia janta party the custodians of the ram mandir no
17:22so that prompts me to ask the next question someone who hasn't voted your government is
17:28sitting in karnataka and has in fact given a sizable donation or even rupees one to the cause
17:34of lord ram will want an independent inquiry because they don't believe your government number two
17:40how is it a trust which is under the ambit of investigation can continue to function
17:47why not disband the trust pending inquiry reinstate members who are not guilty why should i trust a
17:53trust which has lost complete faith in the eyes of the devotees today
18:00so pretty my first point is because there are a few rotten apples in the basket you cannot taint
18:06everybody with a black brush the second point mulan singh yada was given a pagma award but that does
18:12not mean that we forget what happened in 1990 just like the congress today remembers sargaar
18:18wallabhai patel but when the wallabhai patel statue was built in 2018 at kevardia they said why has the
18:24modi government wasted 3 000 crores on just building 180 to meet a statue the third point there was the
18:302013 laptop scam under akhilesh yadav nobody asked akhilesh yadav to resign nobody wanted a cbi inquiry
18:39there was the next best thing after brown bread and then of course you had the sand mining scam of
18:542012 nobody wanted a cbi inquiry against akhilesh yadav and he completed his full term but today
19:00darbari ecosystem wants that the ramangir trust should be disbanded so my second point is itni hypocrisy
19:06darbari zlatay kaha se hai my third point and the most important point i am a proud practicing hindu
19:13and i have been outraged when udhya niti stalin said sanatan dharma is equal to dengue malaria
19:19rabies covid rahul dhandi priyanka vadra akhilesh yadav in ke muh mein tab dahi chandhya tha
19:25aur aaj he ram bhagwan ko lekar bjp ko unsolicited advice dete hai itna dogla pan apnate kaha se ho
19:33and my final point is this there was the sabrimala theft the sit was instituted in 2019
19:4248 hours back the supreme court said it castigated congress it castigated the left and said after
19:49six to seven years there is not even an fir yahan ko fir bhi ho bai hai judicial inquiry bhi
19:58so i think we don't need lessons on propriety and integrity from ma'am your time is up i think
20:04you know some would suggest that one needs to tone down the arrogance two things you bring up shabri
20:08mala it was the bjp who asked for a cbi inquiry in shabri mala suddenly what has happened to the
20:13bjp
20:14you don't want a cbi inquiry in this anymore because this concerns your government you asked for it in
20:19shabri mala but it doesn't apply here number two uh you talk about and you are labeling anyone who
20:26has donated to lord ram who wants a trust who is right now directly directly under the ambit of
20:33investigation to be disbanded you paint them with a single stroke of brush of calling them the darbari
20:39ecosystem why because they want a free and fair investigation because the trust you might say
20:44all are not bad apples but has they already been decided which are the good apples or the bad apples
20:48the investigation is carrying on madam the investigation is carrying on i will come to
20:54you do not misquote prithi please stop misquoting me okay ma'am what is it that you said
21:00you're misquoting you're misquoting 20 seconds i started by saying that what has happened is
21:08condemnable i started by saying that simply because an sit is here that does not mean that if more
21:15probe probe is needed whether it is a cbi probe or an independent inquiry you know as things evolve
21:22more decisions will be taken but my question is sabri mala temple theft for seven years congress and left
21:29did nothing ma'am no i'm not misquoting you i'm not i'm not misquoting you i'm talking you know we
21:36can
21:36talk about the shabri mala threat and what the left and the congress did not do later right now we
21:40are
21:40talking about the donation scam in ayodhya and in shabri mala the bjp was the first ma'am please
21:47hear me out can i get the faders down i need to go to the second guest as well but
21:50hear me out the
21:51bjp demanded a cbi inquiry because you did not trust an sit by the state suddenly you don't want a
21:57cbi
21:58inquiry you're happy with an sit in ayodhya number two number two i did not misquote you when i said
22:04ma'am
22:05one second ma'am i did not misquote you when i said that you cannot you cannot you cannot use
22:13the
22:13same label of the body ecosystem on anyone today who wants the trust disbanded this trust of 15 people
22:20is directly under the ambit of investigation how do we know who is guilty and who is not guilty till
22:26this investigation is complete anyone would suggest anyone with a right investigative questioning mind
22:33would say disband the trust till an inquiry is completed and reinstate each and every member
22:40who is not guilty i want to cut across to pradeep bhaati pradeep bhaati the fact is in midst of
22:45all of
22:45this it's scams will take place under any government it's how you deal with the scam the bjp is saying
22:52we
22:52are taking action we've made it a rest there are firs in place champa try is being investigated
22:57how do you know the big fish won't be caught see i have heard the bjp spokesperson is only talking
23:05rhetoric and factually incorrect if there is any uh any corruption happen in our government are they
23:12sleeping uh nine years have gone what they are doing people will ask them and another rhetoric he
23:19was saying about 1990 incident which samajwadi party leader has ever convicted or even formally
23:27accused in the court for the incident if not say sorry here the answer is not bjp the people were
23:34the one who were accused and their top leader was accused so shame on you the bjp cannot really replace
23:40the evidence with the propaganda if bjp believe that the mere as association is enough to permanently
23:47inducted an individual or political party then they have to follow the same standard for them
23:52let the nipen mishra who is elevated as a principal secretary of prime minister and later appointed
23:58as a chairman of mandir committee should step down and also given uh pardon by the same gentleman
24:05third point about what she was referring to uh about the uh about the cba inquiry who has asked for
24:12cba inquiry the cbi is the same cbi must be controlled by the bjp and the character is in the
24:19cage is still
24:20in the cage so pay should not be inspired with the integrity and and service not became the tool of
24:27political expediency that bjp has to learn since this uh ram mandir trust was formed center government
24:33and state government uh formed this collision to address them and set their own people it is evident
24:39now that boy are paid babool ka to aam kaha se jasi karni vasi bhani ccd footage has been delete
24:48why i'm saying this is sham investigation itself suggests that bjp is the same uh for a method
24:55um modest operand they are following that they have done in the vote jury investigation is whether
25:00he'll invite the police or by the all right last one minute to each of you uh sanju varma put
25:05your
25:05point forward your time starts now my simple point is this i repeat bjp does not need lessons from
25:13rahul gambi priyanka padra sonya gambi achilles yadu or the darbari ecosystem on krabhu ram's asta it was
25:20in 1989 at palampu that bjp decided mandir wahi banayenge and after 500 year long civilizational
25:27battle thanks to the courage of conviction of prime minister modi ram mandir hamne bahi banaya 78% of
25:35bjp's voters are proud practicing hindus we will never let them down whether it will be an independent
25:41inquiry or a cbi monitor inquiry time will tell but i want to ask akhil ashi adams acolytes swami
26:13all right ma'am your time is up last one minute to the samajwadi party spokesperson sir your time
26:18starts now okay there is a financial fraud of misapprobation in irregularities and the primary
26:24accused is the treasurer of this trust he has he's been arrested this is the same person whose prime
26:30minister was uh uh feeding he was feeding curd to the prime minister and now private prime minister
26:35itself has curd in his mouth what dhai jamgiyya is the right uh appropriate answer here and pm now
26:41uh who was seeking vote from the ram mandir is now mum and he's silenced on the totally on this
26:47issue
26:47second thing about the ram saith manas i can write a book on on what bjp leaders have said in
26:53the past
26:53and there is a chopa in ram saith manas ura hari antna hoi nibao kaal nemi jimi ravan rahu
27:00means you those who are disguise full deceitful hypocrites they they decide they disguise themselves
27:08as a saint and to deceive others and their lies and the realities are exposed one day and you got
27:15exposed
27:15this day and this deception and drama will not continue afterwards and forever this is how you
27:21time is up i thank both our panelists for joining us this evening this is a debate which will continue
27:26in time to come it is an election year in uttar pradesh politically it will be milked but other than
27:31that
27:32when it comes to faith and devotion donations that people made in the name of lord ram what about that
27:38that was scam number one in ayodhya let's move across now to the second scam
27:42from ayodhya let's come to the national capital a spanking new government the bjp government in
27:48delhi and now is in the midst of an over 600 crore scam from alleged inflated bills to arrests at
27:57the
27:57highest levels of delhi's health bureaucracy a massive procurement scam is now under scanner
28:03the anti-corruption branch has registered an fir alleging that medical equipment and essential
28:10hospital supplies were purchased at hugely inflated prices causing losses worth hundreds of crores to
28:16the public exchequer what is the public's exchequer it's your tax money it's my tax money
28:21as the political blame game now intensifies between the armadmi party and the bjp government
28:28here's the full report listen in
28:36another alleged scam another trail of public money under the scanner after the ram and the donation
28:44controversy now the spotlight shifts to the national capital this time the allegations strike at the heart
28:52of delhi's health care system a procurement scam worth nearly 600 crore rupees the vigilance
29:00anti-corruption branch has registered an fir alleging large-scale financial irregularities in medical
29:07procurement carried out by delhi's central procurement agency under the directorate general of health services
29:13the complaint paints a disturbing picture
29:19it alleges tenders were manipulated specifications were tailor-made to favor select suppliers genuine bidders
29:28were allegedly pushed out competition was allegedly eliminated and contracts were allegedly awarded at prices
29:36far above market value causing losses worth hundreds of crores to the public exchequer
29:43the numbers in the fir are staggering
29:49portable x-ray machines with a market price of nearly 10 lakh rupees per unit were allegedly bought for 33
29:56lakh each
29:58448 machines with an estimated market value of around 45 crore rupees ended up costing the exchequer 148 crore rupees
30:08hospital bed sheets and linen estimated market cost 150 rupees per bed sheet procurement price 450 rupees
30:18per bed sheet an estimated bill of 75 crore rupees for purchases valued at roughly 25 crore rupees sea arm
30:27radiological equipment market value around 25 lakh rupees per machine purchase price 1.1 crore each a bill of 7
30:36.7 crore
30:37rupees for equipment estimated for equipment estimated to be worth only 1.75 crore even oral rehydration salts among the
30:45cheapest essentials in public health care
30:47feature in the allegations market price 2.05 rupees per sachet procured at 15 rupees per sachet the fir states
30:58that 7.5 crore
31:00rupees was spent on ors supplies that were allegedly worth only 1.25 crore rupees and surgical supplies estimated to
31:09be worth 20 to 25 crore were allegedly procured for nearly 100 crore rupees
31:16the probe has now gathered pace
31:21former dgs chief dr vatsala garwal has been arrested former cpa head of office dr vijay kumar ranga has also
31:30been arrested
31:31five delhi government pharmacists and two central procurement agency officials have been suspended
31:38the political battle has erupted alongside the investigation aap has squarely targeted the bgp government
31:47the bgp has hit back and rubbished all allegations
32:18the bgp accused the previous
32:20government of corruption and fought the delhi election on the promise of clean governance
32:24transparency and zero tolerance for corruption
32:29now barely over a year into its tenure an alleged 600 crore rupees health procurement scam is unfolding in
32:37the national capital the investigation has only just begun whether it ends in convictions or just
32:45political accusations will depend on what the evidence ultimately proves but one question is already echoing loudly
32:53who profited while public health care paid the price bureau report india today
33:02all right let's cut across to our big political debate this evening the question right now
33:08is it's more ominous where the new delhi government is concerned facing it the delhi government form
33:14promised a corruption-free government at the back of what they said was a corrupt amadmi party government
33:20that was defeated in the last elections and now is itself facing a 600 rupees scam joining me this evening
33:28nitin tyagi spokesperson delhi bjp so not bharti from the amadmi party i want to begin with nitin tyagi
33:34mr tyagi it seems that the bjp delhi unit is still counting the money spent on the curtains of what
33:42you call the shish mahal of arvind kejriwal while your government did not quite leave even ors packets
33:49and made money even on ors packets leave alone x-ray machines and bench sheets of hospitals
33:57see we have made amply clear that nobody who is responsible for any kind of corruption
34:02that happens in delhi will be spared we practice a zero tolerance policy towards corruption and
34:07nobody would be spared no matter who he is how old he is and where he's uh located and whoever
34:14is
34:15backing data having said that i think i should congratulate uh reka gupta ji our honorable chief
34:20minister who has taken very massive steps on uh actually bringing the culprits to uh score and i'm sure
34:27uh very soon you would see a lot of actions happening already you've seen a lot of people
34:32getting arrested and a lot of uh functioning happening across the agencies and the investigations
34:40happening at a very fast pace having said that i think this is a proper approach towards a scam a
34:47supposed alleged scam that has happened in delhi and we are uh you know duty-bound towards the
34:54people of delhi and this nation that no scam should uh go unpunished one thing secondly we are being
35:02blamed by a party who during corona times bought 400 ventilators where their ventilators are nobody knows
35:12they bought i can tell you 118 articles i can name they bought gloves from some company in kerala which
35:19sent them in january 2021 while people in delhi received them in december 2020 and paid it even
35:31before they left the uh the company's uh premises in kerala there's so many things happened at that time and
35:37nobody took any action against such scams which happened during amani party and these people have the
35:43gall to actually do a press conference where already the cm of delhi has initiated inquiry and
35:51investigations into these alleged corruptions that that have happened in delhi i think they should
35:57take a leaf out of it they should try and replicate it in punjab all right your time is up
36:01sir but you
36:02know i would think there's a little bit of arrogance in all of this because you still speak of the
36:06amadmi party's corruption that government was voted out and it could very well be on the charges of
36:11corruption and today you're standing bang in the middle of a corruption charge your government
36:16which promised a clean government even you've just started nearly just about two years and you're
36:22facing a 600 crore scam and it's not quite alleged your anti-corruption branch has filed an fyr and
36:30600 crores all right somnath bharati a little rich coming from the amadmi parties what the bjp
36:37spokesperson said uh you know scam after scam you are no moral standing of putting out any questions
36:44and accusing the bjp today
36:49see uh i'm glad that this this is being at least being debated because so far i didn't see much
36:58of
36:59the media talking about this corruption which happened right uh under the nose of prime minister
37:05in delhi so there are four layers of governance all with the bjp this moment in delhi uh whether it
37:14be mcd state center lg all are with bjp police is with bjp ib cvi ed all are with bjp
37:22see i have with
37:24with me a letter which is dated 10th of june 2035 this letter i had written to chairman and the
37:34chief
37:34secretary uh g nct ctd to highlight a recruitment scam of dr basala agrawal and then there was a letter
37:45uh sent to me uh sent to me on 22nd of a uh august 2025 there was inquiry which was
37:53uh started but then
37:54i was asked give me this on uh affidavit kind of okay so i had already highlighted dr basala agrawal
38:02had
38:02a very uh you know dark past in spite of that she was made the head of dghs and today
38:12when 650 crore worth scam has been found out so one man whose name has figured eight times in the
38:20fir
38:22that rajiv rangila he has not been arrested so during kejriwal's time even though mr kejriwal name
38:30was not there in the policy making which of course was uh dropped the case itself was dropped by the
38:36court they they had there was no merit in the case so then they had arrested the minister
38:42chief minister the deputy chief minister but today there is no accountability of the political
38:48executive so what does it mean that in during the time your time is up sir i'll come back with
38:55you for your two minutes time i want to bring in mr tyagi back into this conversation mr tyagi the
39:00allegation is very simple and clear and on the basis of what mr somnath bharati is quoting is clear
39:06documentation documentation of the fact that it seems those arrested are once again
39:14the small fries or the small fish while the big political fish are still out and will not be facing
39:23arrest shifting of blame that is what mr somnath bharati is trying to imply that actually big fish are the
39:28political party they want to target bjp no mr bharati it does not happen this way if you are talking
39:34about
39:34vatsala agarwal and you say she had a very tainted past so that tainted past probably had been
39:41during the amami party's tenure and you should have known better and if she had tainted past what
39:46actions did amami party take against her one thing second thing just just a moment just a moment second
39:51thing the cpa head has been arrested so many doctors and pharmacists have been arrested who have
39:57helped helped the culprits in procuring and making tenders or whatever allegedly the corruption that
40:05has happened over here that has been uh you know there's so many activities are being uh you know
40:10they are being undertaken sort of so many actions are being taken and you can see it actually but you
40:16tell me what amami party did with all these officers during your tenure when they were doing all these
40:23scams probably you put them in a habit of doing these scams together do you even know about those
40:29400 mobile ventilators that price the price there that amadi party had purchased during corona period
40:37do you know about all those articles that they did not even enter delhi and the payments were made
40:42you're talking about one businessman again and again and you're comparing and i am very happy you
40:47comparing a small-time businessman with your own chief minister ex-chief minister for that matter
40:54fantastic mr bharti this is just amazing mr arvind kejriwal was heading the government of delhi when the
41:02policy was made and it was evident on the roads where mr manish sodhya had stood on a dais and
41:10talked
41:10about getting close a few of the shrap thekas in his own constituency and he got a multiple more
41:18opened in the same places everybody was doubting them then and there what they were doing during the
41:23corona time they were only getting the shish mahal made right now what reka gupta is doing he's she's
41:28going after every single culprit even if any culprit is found from the party nobody is going to be spared
41:35take my word for it mr tyagi you know do you see a sense of dystopia in your argument because
41:42the
41:42government was voted out all the charges that you have laid possibly possibly delhiites voted the
41:49government out but they voted a government which you promised would be a clean government a corruption
41:54free government and today you are banned in the middle of a 600 crore scam if anybody if anybody
42:02whatsoever whomsoever at which what whatever then why is it sir that why is it sir that the prime
42:08accused or the person named any kind of corruption then then why is it why is it sir one second
42:14sir i'll come back to you i want to go back for two minutes to mr somnath bharti and i
42:17will ask you that
42:18question if that is the reason then why is it that the prime accused still hasn't been arrested but mr
42:23somnath bharti i want to bring you back into this conversation scams will happen in any government
42:28sir one thing is very clear it will happen in a bjp government it will happen in an amadmi party
42:32run
42:32government it is how the government deals with it because sadly you can't stop people from trying to
42:38make a quick buck the bjp says they're doing what needs to be done there are arrests being made which
42:44your government looked the other way they are addressing the situation head-on
42:52you know the uh you know the massive loot the maha pub which has been done in the
42:58baghwan siri ram's temple in jodya they are not arresting the main culprit you know why because that
43:05is the bridge between political executive possibly the ministers and the actual loot so is the case here
43:13so rajiv rangila will tell us which minister is involved which whether the cm is involved or not
43:19so that's why they're evading the arrest of rajiv rangila because he will bring the fact that who has
43:27taken the money which minister has taken the money how did he get the guts i mean on what basis
43:32the terms
43:33of reference of the tender were changed it was actually maneuvered in a manner that this will suit
43:40only rajiv rangila that is why i mean 10 lakhs worth x-ray machine is being bought for 33 lakhs
43:47150
43:47worth rupees worth bedsheet was bought for 450 rupees 25 crore worth surgical supplies were bought for 100
43:55crores 2 rupees worth a sachet of oras was bought for 15 rupees so question is the 650 crore loot
44:03under the
44:04nose of the nose of mr modi and his appointed you know people in delhi government who will be hold
44:11accountable for only couple of officers the way they're doing in ajodhya so the problem is the bgp
44:19government today is surrounded from all directions they've heard sentiments of hundred crore hindus
44:25and they've they are now every delhiite is out to understand 650 crore worth of scam has happened but
44:34there's no political accountability you still have 15 seconds i'm going to give also i mean mr taggy was
44:41saying about this this and that is there any fire on the corona fair no all fires have been quest
44:52whatever okay i'd like to give both of you last one minute or 30 seconds each uh mr
44:58tiagi time starts now go ahead first of all uh talking about ram mandir from these people who were
45:04against the ram mandir i find it very strange that they are just opportunistic politicians who are
45:08trying to you know actually uh feed on carcasses okay fine one thing said second thing we are a proactive
45:16party we have taken steps and shortly you will see a lot of things happening in such a uh spectacular
45:23manner you would uh but mr ziagi why isn't the prime accused arrested till now but mr ziagi the question
45:31that is going to be asked is why isn't the prime accused arrested till now sir he would be
45:36okay okay he's trying to arrest him he's evading arrest it will be a matter of time and he will
45:42be
45:42arrested there is it's not that okay he's not being arrested deliberately okay he's evading arrest
45:48he would be uh rajiv rangila is a champat rai of this scam the way champat rai is being protected
46:02that's all the time that we have for now this is a debate which will we will continue in the
46:10days to
46:10come i thank both our panelists for joining us but ultimately who's the biggest loser who's the
46:15collateral in all of this it is you out there be it the donation scam in away with there or
46:21be it
46:22the procurement health scam in delhi 650 crores in delhi and we still don't know the proportion of
46:28the scam in ayodhya but right in the middle of it it is you who's in the middle of it
46:33the tax here
46:33our money is going down the drain not really down the drain to fund lavish lifestyles of certain people
46:40we still don't know who those people are but will those arrests be made we don't quite know leave it
46:45at
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