- 4 hours ago
In this episode of India First, the top focus is on the allegations of financial irregularities and misappropriation of donation funds at the Shri Ram Mandir in Ayodhya.
Category
🗞
NewsTranscript
00:00Good evening, you're watching India First. I'm Gaurav Savan.
00:04Allegations of mishandling and alleged misappropriation of donation at the Divya Bhavya Ram Mandir.
00:12The Shriram Mandir at Ayodhya. That shocked devotees. It shocked the nation.
00:17Devotees are now seeking receipts for the donations they've made in the past.
00:22Some have come forward to say that they donated silver bricks worth crores,
00:25but they weren't given a receipt for it. Will they be given one now?
00:28The special investigation team constituted by the Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath.
00:34It's submitted its preliminary findings.
00:38It's talked about flaws and negligence and donation, handling and supervision.
00:43They've sought deeper investigation.
00:44Today, on this special broadcast, we get you a snap pull.
00:48A special edition of the political stock exchange.
00:52C-Voter put questions to respondents asking them,
00:56how seriously do they view reports of alleged embezzlement of donation funds at the Shriram Temple at Ayodhya?
01:05Another question put to respondents was,
01:07who should be held primarily responsible if wrongdoings are actually found in the investigations?
01:14Have these allegations actually impacted their trust, in the trust,
01:20Shriram Janmabhumi Teerth Kshetra, that manages the handling of donation at the Shriram Temple?
01:27Are they concerned about possible misuse of donation,
01:31especially after these reports and videos of alleged embezzlement?
01:36If these allegations are actually found to be true in detailed investigations,
01:41would it reflect poorly not just on the Temple Trust and the district administration,
01:45but also on the Uttar Pradesh government?
01:49There are other questions.
01:50We'll get to the findings of the C-Voter snap pull conducted on the 23rd of June,
01:56after the SIT submitted its report to the Yogi Adityanath government.
02:00Though the findings of the preliminary report haven't officially been made public,
02:05but sources tell India today that the SIT has recommended legal action
02:10and detailed investigation into allegations of embezzlement of funds
02:14and also identify those responsible, not just for the actual act,
02:20but also acts of omission and commission.
02:22So to gauge public sentiment on this very emotive issue,
02:26and this is emotive at multiple levels, from faith to politics,
02:30C-Voter put together a snap pull.
02:33They spoke to, they reached out to about 1,600 respondents who responded,
02:38and we'll get you their findings.
02:40But from the Samajwadi party to the Congress party and the Arm Admi party,
02:45opposition leaders, they've accused the ruling BJP of failing to safeguard devotees,
02:52their offerings and their sentiments.
02:55So before we get to findings of the C-Voter snap pull and discuss them in detail,
02:59let's quickly listen in, not just to the political reactions,
03:03but also reaction of some of the devotees,
03:05including one who says that they donated silver bricks to the temple trust,
03:10but they were not given receipts.
03:12Now they want to know if the silver bricks were actually used in the Shriram temple,
03:18whether for construction or any other purpose,
03:20so where are those bricks now?
03:23Listen.
03:25The B.F.
03:27The B.F.
03:28From theasına-Masphan zombies,
03:32I'm sorry,
03:37I'm sorry.
03:39The B.F.
03:46The B.F.
03:47The B.F.
03:49The B.F.
03:50The B.F.
03:51The B.F.
03:55foreign
04:02foreign
04:03foreign
04:05foreign
04:08.
04:35this society is not going to do anything.
04:37This society will be reading in our stories.
04:40The small-scale people are going to ask them to ask them to ask them.
04:45In so many years, if there was a quarrel of quarrel,
04:50then there was a quarrel without a big man.
04:54There was a quarrel of quarrel of quarrel.
04:58So, the quarrel of quarrel is going to save people and the quarrel is going to go.
05:01This is a complete disaster.
05:02This is a complete disaster.
05:04In this case, our leader,
05:08Mr. Aadhinya Akhleji,
05:10he also asked her to ask her to ask her.
05:13This is not a rule, it is a rule.
05:17But as you keep telling us,
05:18Mr. Aadhinya Akhleji has submitted his report.
05:22What is the meaning of this report?
05:28Who saw the quarrel of quarrel?
05:30Who saw the quarrel?
05:32Until the quarrel of quarrel?
05:43Until the quarrel of quarrel?
05:52The quarrel of quarrel?
05:55Aadhinya Akhleji was the one.
05:57That is a real question.
05:57So, he has two amounts,
05:58that he knows them could,
06:00the quarrel of quarrel.
06:00And he never got a loan,
06:01which is a great question,
06:03but this is a very good question,
06:05foreign
06:23foreign
06:24foreign
06:24foreign
06:54Some times I felt it, I found it, but I didn't show Deepak that.
07:00Remember in the 1950s and 60s, Hindi films had songs like Ram Naam Japana Paraya Maal Apana.
07:09Sadly, in real life, real life is being mirrored here.
07:15At least that's what the allegations are.
07:17Donation theft allegations are extremely distressing for any Shri Ram Bhakt.
07:22What do respondents say?
07:23Let's begin the political stock exchange with the first question.
07:27The first question put to respondents by Sea Voter was how seriously and how serious do you consider reports of
07:36alleged embezzlement of donation funds at the Shri Ram Mandir at Ayodhya?
07:40Watch those responses.
07:4266%, 66.4% of the respondents say extremely serious.
07:46Now 63% say yes it is serious.
07:50Others 52.6%.
07:53Now more than 63% say these allegations are extremely serious.
07:57Another 23% say yes it is quite serious.
08:00Now put the two together.
08:01More than 86% say it is a very serious issue.
08:05But does that seriousness reflect in the pace of the investigations?
08:11Joining me on India first is Anurag Bhadoriya, spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party.
08:16Shantanu Gupta is a political analyst and author.
08:19Arvind Kumar Jain is former Director General of the Uttar Pradesh Police.
08:23Shantanu Gupta is a respected author and political analyst.
08:26And I want to welcome all our guests on the show and I want to begin by asking Anurag Bhadoriya.
08:33They say it is a very very serious issue.
08:3783% plus.
08:38But,
08:38I want to say that what I am always situated here is,
08:42That whatever is a very serious role in which the rights have been Paati ?
08:49And that is what I look at the
08:51Mandel Graduate by representatives that look full of this of your head.
08:57Thank you for watching,
09:00I want白 supers Abdulazhi.
09:02Yes 75% in the description of as here.
09:02Are then....
09:06Sorry,
09:08So cute.
09:08If there are inquiries on this, I think it's good for me.
09:11But, the person who knows that it's been good for us.
09:19If there was a person who knows it's better, I think it's better for us.
09:20If there's a person who knows what I like to do, I think it's better for us.
09:20Because it's our vision, it's our vision.
09:22We say that there's a tree, a tree, a tree, a tree, a tree.
09:29In every way, there was a experience of a great place.
09:32If someone else has someone's hands, you're only doing this.
09:37after he passed an issue
09:39which he has Woo what he Autumn
09:40where he gets dis-
09:41to inquire
09:43this is how we
09:47go see
09:47what he wants too
09:50I know
09:57what people
09:58who think
09:58your
09:58trust
10:01heart
10:03heart
10:03heart
10:08but the finding is that when we were checking, we didn't have to do it.
10:14We had to check it out, we had to check it out, we had to check it out.
10:15We had to check it out, we had to check it out, we had to check it out.
10:51Let me bring in Shantanu Gupta into this conversation.
10:59Shantanu Gupta, Yogi Adityanath is known for a zero-tolerance approach or a no-nonsense policy.
11:08There are bulldozers and there are encounters in Uttar Pradesh.
11:13Is there merit in the Samajwadi party now saying why no FIR yet in this case?
11:20See, Gaurav, as soon as Yogi Adityanath administration got the request from the trust that SIT should be constituted,
11:28they constituted the SIT within four hours.
11:31And it's a very senior SIT with one officer of 2004 batch, IS officer,
11:37one IPS officer, 2008 batch, who was also in CBI, who was also in Interpol,
11:41and one financial expert from the finance department.
11:43A three high member committee was constituted within four hours of the request of the trust.
11:47And mind you, the trust is requesting for SIT, right?
11:51And there are presidents of Supreme Court that SIT can be formed before the IR.
11:55There are multiple cases throughout India, which are validated by High Court and Supreme Court later,
12:00that SIT can be formed, right?
12:02Because the so-called whistleblower Pawan Pandya of Samajwadi party,
12:06who spoke first,
12:08when someone for AOP India called him and asked him,
12:11he said,
12:12there cannot be a reason for FIR.
12:14So, there cannot be a reason for FIR.
12:16So, you have to find out the investigation,
12:19what happened.
12:20Sir, now that that same SIT of very high-level officials
12:23have submitted their preliminary findings,
12:26should there not be an FIR at this stage?
12:28We don't know.
12:30So, from all the channels or Twitter,
12:32people are saying sources.
12:33You are also saying sources.
12:34Apart from these three people in the SIT,
12:37Home Secretary Sanjay Prasad and Chief Minister.
12:39Apart from these five people,
12:40I doubt anyone knows the content of the SIT.
12:42And everybody is saying the sources.
12:44Have you talked to Vishwaspant or Kiran
12:46or Neel Ratanji or Chief Minister or Sanjay Prasad?
12:49These are the only five people.
12:50Rest all are saying,
12:51whatever they come,
12:52they are saying,
12:54you get to know later,
12:56Champat Raiji have no have batija.
12:58Gopal Raiji has nothing else.
13:00They have no batija.
13:00Someone said,
13:01Gopal has hidden,
13:02someone said,
13:02Sharaap pilati,
13:03CCTV camera got up.
13:04These are all at Kalbazi.
13:07None of them went away.
13:08These people never went to the mandir,
13:09let alone doing the investigation.
13:11Only these three people went in the investigation mode.
13:14Rest all might be dissidental element.
13:16That's why I think let this SIT report come.
13:19And today,
13:21I think on Achtab only I have heard the news.
13:23One of the,
13:24I think VHP president,
13:25working president,
13:26Alok Kumarji said that the FIR should be done
13:29as soon as you find the culprit.
13:30So, I think nobody is trying to escape.
13:32Only thing,
13:33we just want to…
13:34No,
13:34but FIR is not done once the culprit is found.
13:37And I want to bring in Mr. A.K. Jain.
13:39Mr. Jain,
13:40should there not be an FIR
13:42at least after the preliminary findings have been submitted,
13:46if not the day the complaint was first made,
13:49instead of approaching Yogi Adityanath
13:51or the Uttar Pradesh government,
13:52should the Shriram Janmabhumi Teert Kshetre
13:55not have approached the local SHO
13:57to register an FIR,
13:59file an FIR?
14:0086% of respondents here
14:02say this is a very serious issue.
14:04In your view, sir,
14:05as a very seasoned police officer,
14:07does that seriousness reflect
14:09in the actions of the Teert Kshetre
14:11or the administration?
14:14I have been saying right from day one
14:18that FIR should have been filed by the trustee,
14:21by the Treasurer.
14:24They have failed to do it.
14:26Instead,
14:27they wrote to Chief Minister of UP.
14:30No time was wasted
14:31and a very high-level committee was formed
14:35with very outstanding officers.
14:37I can vouch for them.
14:38Now they have submitted recommendations.
14:41I am 100% confident
14:42that within a day or two,
14:44you will come to know
14:45actually on SIT,
14:49legal opinion is being taken
14:50from the law department.
14:52Generally,
14:53such FIRs are not lodged
14:55by government.
14:57Who will be the complainant?
14:58Who all will be named?
15:00So many facts are there
15:04in the report
15:05submitted by the officers
15:06and a very huge SIT
15:09will have to be formed
15:10at least of 20-25 people
15:12of officers
15:13who will look into various aspects
15:16of the thefts.
15:18Nobody denies it
15:19that thefts have not taken place.
15:22The amount of theft,
15:24who all are enrolled,
15:26in which shift it took place
15:28and why they were not being searched.
15:32A finger is being raised
15:34on a few government officials also.
15:37I think everybody will be booked.
15:39Government is very, very serious about it.
15:41Trust is also serious.
15:43VHP is also serious.
15:46People, high-level people in VHP
15:50deployed at Ramjanabhumi
15:52might be involved in it.
15:54And I have always said
15:56that very stern action
15:58should be taken against them.
15:59Even action under
16:00Gangsters Act
16:01should be registered.
16:02And the illegal properties
16:05which they have made
16:08during the period,
16:09they have bought cars,
16:10such illegal properties
16:12should be confiscated
16:13by the police.
16:14Oh, absolutely.
16:16So, you know,
16:16step by step,
16:17sir, you're a very,
16:18I mean, you've been
16:19former DGP of Uttar Pradesh.
16:22Shouldn't the trust,
16:23the treasurer of the trust,
16:25moment allegations of corruption
16:27were made
16:28or embezzlement was made,
16:29gone to the nearest SHO,
16:32register the first information report,
16:35let police begin,
16:36let there be an SIT,
16:37let there be a detailed investigation,
16:39but step one is the FIR.
16:41Should that not have happened
16:42day one,
16:43approaching the chief minister,
16:45then approaching
16:45the prime minister's office,
16:47then approaching others.
16:48Sir, the common man
16:49does not do that.
16:49common man goes to the SHO.
16:51Yes, you are right.
16:53But actually,
16:53the amount involved,
16:56people involved,
16:57it is not,
16:58there is no clarity about it.
17:00FIR should be,
17:02that is no FIR,
17:03what is FIR?
17:04FIR is first information report.
17:07Police has already
17:07got so many reports.
17:10Now, the problem is that
17:12against whom FIR
17:13should be lodged?
17:14A Gyaad unknown
17:15then investigation?
17:17No,
17:18that makes investigation
17:19very difficult.
17:21And they get bail also
17:23from court
17:24because there is no
17:26named FIR.
17:27I will request
17:28that we should wait
17:30for a day or two
17:30when we have waited
17:31for so long.
17:32And I am 100% confident
17:34that a proper SIT
17:36with senior officials in it,
17:39dedicated team will be put,
17:40every aspect will be
17:42looked into
17:43and all the deleted
17:48CCTV footages,
17:49they are being retrieved
17:50and nobody will be spared.
17:52Let me tell you this.
17:54Because there is...
17:54Fair enough, because
17:55Advaita,
17:56Advaita,
17:57the opposition is already saying
17:58every day's delay
18:00in legal and penal action
18:02and investigation
18:03is actually giving more time
18:05to those who may have been involved
18:07to destroy evidence
18:10and mislead investigation.
18:12And the C Voter Survey
18:13very clearly shows
18:1486% respondents say
18:16it's a very serious issue.
18:18Does that seriousness
18:19reflect in the actions
18:21of the trust?
18:24You know, Gaurav,
18:25first of all,
18:26I want to say
18:27that what has come to light,
18:29even if they're just accusations
18:30at this point of time,
18:32are extremely disturbing.
18:33And like the people surveyed
18:36and the other members
18:36on this panel,
18:37I do believe
18:38that there should be a fair
18:39and a very extensive probe
18:41into this matter.
18:42Now, looking at,
18:44you know,
18:45is there being a delay
18:46and things of that nature
18:48being suggested,
18:49the fact that you jumped
18:50straight to an SIT,
18:51and didn't go through
18:53the process of the local
18:54thana and all of that,
18:55already shows
18:56that this is being
18:57taken seriously
18:58and it is being escalated
19:00to the SIT
19:02almost immediately.
19:03So in that sense,
19:05you cannot fault
19:06the government
19:06for not taking it seriously
19:08or not escalating it
19:09to a level
19:10which would not have happened
19:12had they followed
19:13the normal costs
19:14of going to the thana,
19:16et cetera, et cetera.
19:17Secondly,
19:17we have to keep in mind
19:18that this is a preliminary report
19:20of the SIT.
19:22And they have gone
19:23into extensive analysis.
19:26They have not only
19:27looked at the donations,
19:29which were the primary
19:31complaints that came in,
19:32but they've also gone
19:33into land records,
19:35transactions,
19:36appointments of people,
19:37hiring of people,
19:39how VIP darshans
19:40were exchanged.
19:41So they've increased
19:42the ambit
19:43of what they're
19:43investigating as well,
19:45ensuring that they go
19:46into all aspects
19:47of the running
19:48of this trust.
19:49And I think that is
19:50very significant as well
19:52and needs to be highlighted.
19:54Okay, let me quickly
19:55go to that second point,
19:57Advaita,
19:57that Sea Voter raised
19:59with respondents.
20:00who should bear
20:02primary responsibility
20:04if any wrongdoing
20:06is found in this matter?
20:08Who's responsible
20:09for alleged wrongdoings?
20:10And when you look
20:11at those numbers,
20:12more than a third
20:13say the Temple Trust
20:15is primarily responsible
20:17for this mess.
20:18Of course,
20:18another 10% say
20:19the local administration
20:21is also culpable
20:22and responsible.
20:23close to 17%
20:25hold the government
20:27responsible,
20:28the state government.
20:29Because what were
20:31they doing?
20:32What about their supervision?
20:34Was that,
20:34of course,
20:34trust is an independent body,
20:36but is there no oversight?
20:38Also,
20:39let me take the next question.
20:41Has hearing about
20:43these allegations
20:44impacted the trust,
20:46the faith
20:47in the management
20:48of donations
20:49made to
20:50the Divya Bhavya,
20:52Navya Ram template?
20:53At Ayodhra.
20:55Once again,
20:55when you look
20:56at those numbers,
20:57two-third of the respondents
20:58agree that there has been
21:00an erosion of trust.
21:01About 18%,
21:02they say no,
21:04that there is no erosion
21:05in their faith
21:07in the system.
21:08Let me once again
21:09begin by asking
21:09Anurag Bhadoriya,
21:11does the responsibility
21:12Anurag Bhadoriya
21:14lie only with
21:16the Temple Trust
21:17or does it go higher?
21:19I mean,
21:19only Shri Ram Janmubhumi
21:213rd Kshetra
21:22or the
21:243rd Kshetra
21:25foreign
21:38foreign
21:40foreign
21:40foreign
21:40When there is trust, there is a lot of responsibility to the trust.
21:44In the case of the CRPF, there is a PSE, there is a UPA police.
21:50There are so many people in security.
21:53Who is coming from there? Who is going from there?
21:56What do you know?
21:58That the SBI Bank gave their responsibility to the third party.
22:04Now, they will know whether it's true or wrong.
22:07There is a question that the question comes from here.
22:14How do you have responsibility as an individual who has provided?
22:16Are you responsible for this situation?
22:21This is a case of the role of protection.
22:25When we say this, when we say this,
22:29foreign
22:59this is not that it is not that it is a way to go.
23:15Let me get Shantanu Gupta to respond to that.
23:33Reports suggest that internal auditors had pointed out gaps in the donation collection
23:40and management and transportation.
23:43Reports seem to indicate, again these are local reports, that all these objections of
23:49the auditors were initially brushed under the carpet.
23:51Does the responsibility lie only with the trust, the Ayodhya administration for poor supervision
23:58or does it extend all the way up to Lucknow?
24:00Let me also come to an aspect of age here.
24:04When you look at the respondents, among those above the age of 55, 40% of the respondents
24:10say the allegations will negatively impact their opinion of the performance of the state
24:15government.
24:15But when you go to youngsters between 18 and 24, 58% believe that the state government
24:24will be negatively impacted, sir.
24:27You see, before I make my point, I feel very surprised and sound very bizarre when someone
24:32like Anurag Badoria said, this is our mission, we are willing to believe God.
24:37These are the same people, I need not repeat that, who are shot dead many Rambaaths, who never
24:42wanted the temple.
24:42There are many people who liked the temple, so they are just fishing in troubled waters from Akhlesh Yadav's house
24:49and Dimpal Yadav's house.
24:51They have never visited the temple.
24:52People have visited the temple, Rahul Gandhi to Sonia Gandhi to Priyanka Gandhi to Arun Chitriwal.
24:59We are the people of God.
25:00We have made such a Bhabhi Mandir.
25:02We have made such a Bhabhi Mandir.
25:04There is some trouble in the temple.
25:07So they have nothing to do.
25:09One minute.
25:13Shantanu, let's complete his point sir.
25:15Go on Mr Gupta.
25:16Having said that, you are quoting, everybody is quoting some reports, some access.
25:21I don't know which access to which reports are.
25:24You all should produce that and tweet that reports.
25:26I don't know which report.
25:27Because I am not private to any report, any SIT, anything.
25:30I don't have any sources.
25:31I have not talked to Sanjay Prasarji.
25:34I have not talked to CM.
25:34I have not talked to the three people.
25:36If any one of you have talked, and then you can put forth.
25:39Let's wait for the SIT, which is a very, very senior SIT.
25:43And then I am sure the way we have seen Yogi Etnat administration from nine and a half years.
25:47They have not spared anyone.
25:49So if anybody will culpate, whoever will culpate, Yogi Etnat government will surely go to the deep root of it.
25:55And every world will face the law of the land.
25:59And that we have seen in the last nine and a half years of Yogi government.
26:01Fair enough.
26:03Anirag Bhadoriya wants to respond on the political point.
26:06Anirag Bhadoriya, Shantanu Gupta to this is saying,
26:10you don't have to ask your questions for you,
26:27you don't have to ask your question.
26:29That is the question of the people that need to ask you for the people.
26:35You don't have to ask questions or to ask you for the questions,
26:38you don't have to ask questions.
26:42foreign
26:50foreign
26:51foreign
26:52I'll continue to respond before I begin Mr. General.
27:38I'll continue to respond.
27:52And, and, and, if the promotion is over, the Samajwadi Party MP, MP, he had two years to went to
27:59the temple.
27:59He won in 2024 and just two months back, first time he went to the temple.
28:04He's a 10-minute road from his house.
28:05And he never went to the temple.
28:06Akhleesh Yadav Dimple Yadav, he doesn't get time.
28:08Right?
28:09That's why I'm saying they don't have a local standard.
28:12And it was a trust that was the first one to ask for the SIT.
28:15And they didn't ask for the SIT.
28:17They never went to the court.
28:37Let me quickly bring in Mr. A.K. Jain.
28:40Because on such a sensitive issue, I want to actually move beyond politics.
28:44Because devotees don't see political parties.
28:47They see faith.
28:48And Mr. Jain, the temple trust, local administration at the level of district or the state government.
28:54In your view, sir, you've been DGP.
28:57You understand administration.
28:59Who's responsible?
29:00One, the culprits who indulge in the crime.
29:03But acts of omission and commission, poor supervision, if not effective monitoring, who's responsible, sir?
29:11Trust is responsible.
29:12Full support is being provided by the state government.
29:16Full support has been extended for the last so many years by the state government, police department.
29:23I was posted at SSP Fezabad, 91, after the firing took place.
29:31Shidi Bulam Singh Yadav posted me there to control the situation because there was a lot of resentment against police,
29:37against that firing of 1991.
29:40I was SSP there.
29:42I have been IG zone of Lucknow zone for four times.
29:47And I have been supervising Ayodhya very, very closely, very, very minutely.
29:51And in other capacities, also as ADG Law and Order, as DGP, I have been closely associated.
29:57Let me tell you, frankly, nobody can dispute it.
30:00That trust is responsible.
30:03Full support is being extended by administration.
30:06You know it's a very sensitive issue.
30:07The district magistrate cannot say that I will enforce this.
30:11He has no locust end eye.
30:13Now, things will be clear.
30:15The state new guidelines will be issued.
30:18The role of district administration will be defined.
30:23Mukhe Karpalak Adhikari, some senior person, as at Akashi Dham, will be posted there.
30:32He will be monitoring day-to-day affairs.
30:35And I think things will improve.
31:05So, it should happen in the first day, Adweta.
31:07of faith in the temple management.
31:10Now, I think...
31:12Yes, I agree.
31:12I agree.
31:14Gaurav, I absolutely agree with you.
31:16And I think, you know, that is something that is...
31:20Even the public is responding to.
31:22Because the Ram Mandir has been so central to so many of us in the way that we have approached
31:32the subject, that this seems like a defiling of sorts.
31:37But I think it's also important to separate the facts from the actual, you know, situation on the ground.
31:45When your survey says that, you know, they hold the state government responsible, it's important to clarify that this is
31:52an independent trust.
31:53As far as the state government is concerned, they have no role to play and no say or control in
32:01the functioning of the trust at all.
32:03This was a trust that was formed by the centre after a court verdict, Supreme Court verdict, for the establishment
32:09of the trust.
32:10So, really, the only role that the state has, as far as this entire situation is concerned, is the investigation
32:18when it is at the state level.
32:20And when it comes to the investigation at the state level, Yogi Agat Dityanath has wasted no time in taking
32:26this directly to an SIT level and will pursue it to its logical end.
32:31And that's really what he can do.
32:34You know, we are... governments are bound by the rules that are in place.
32:38This is an emotive issue. People will respond. People will react.
32:42But the facts on the ground are that there is a limited role that the government, the state government, plays
32:47when it comes to the Ram Mandil Trust and the functioning of the temple.
32:51And that role is limited to the investigation.
32:54Let me now bring in the next set of questions that were posed to respondents.
32:58You know, what are their concerns? What concerns them the most about these allegations?
33:05I want to play that slide out for a moment.
33:08Most of the respondents, they said, what is happening to that money?
33:14More than 30% of the respondents were actually worried about possible misuse of funds.
33:19More than 20% are worried about the damage to the image of the Divya Bhavya Ram temple.
33:27As Advaita just pointed out, remember, the nation, the Sanatan Samaj, the Hindus, they waited centuries for this temple.
33:35Finally, you have a Divya Bhavya Ram temple.
33:39And devotees, they went there in large numbers.
33:42And they donated from the bottom of their hearts.
33:45Whatever people could donate, they donated.
33:47Because this is carrying that system to the next generation.
33:53Your faith, your belief, your values.
33:56A large number of people actually also say that they're very worried that funds are being misused.
34:03This is khilwaad or this is playing with their aastha.
34:08If these allegations are proven true, and I want to bring in the next set of questions.
34:12If these allegations are actually proven true, will it negatively impact their opinion, even about the Uttar Pradesh government?
34:23Because remember, Yogi Adityanath is seen as a zero tolerance, no nonsense chief minister.
34:30But if this is happening in Ayodhya, what are respondents seeing?
34:34Close to 50% of the respondents there you see, of the NDA voters incidentally, 43.6% are very
34:42clear that yes, it will adversely impact Uttar Pradesh government.
34:4657.2% of the opposition voters say yes, it will adversely impact others also.
34:5143.5% are very, very clear that it will have a negative impact.
34:5632% say no, 24% when it comes to opposition voters, 19.9% others.
35:01Can't say no is about 23%, 18.8% when it comes to opposition voters.
35:07If these allegations are proven true, then there is an issue as far as the respondents are concerned.
35:14Shantanu Gupta devotees are very upset about possible misuse of funds.
35:20You heard the Sindhi Samaj representative who said that 1kg bricks, 200 of them,
35:26they were presented to the temple trust, they were not given a receipt for it.
35:31You know, you talk about a Ram Rajya.
35:32We all aspire to live in that Ram Rajya.
35:36There was so much excitement around the time of the Pran Pratishtha.
35:39But do these allegations hurt that faith in your view?
35:44For sure, and it should hurt the view.
35:47But currently, all the Shadhaloos are making opinion based on the discussions they are hearing the TV.
35:53Based on the, we are saying, the Sotronon se pata laga hai, from sources, nobody has any information.
35:58We are finding from Pawan Pandey of Samajbadi Party who said 7.5 crore ki chori hoi hai,
36:03through Arvind Kejribal who said 200 crore ki chori hoi hai.
36:06BJP's world leaders have complained, BJP leaders, people in the, sir, hear me out, hear me out.
36:13You may have a legal point, I am not making a legal point here.
36:17In Ayodhya, people are talking about this.
36:20In Ayodhya, people also spoke of this alleged land scam.
36:24In Ayodhya, people are seeing their homes may be broken, their homes may be impacted,
36:29but there are others who are roaming around in big cars and big houses.
36:33Very pertinent point, very pertinent point, Gaurav.
36:36Same person, Pawan Pandey, did a press conference in 2021,
36:39just eight months before the election, about the land scam.
36:43Samajbadi Party or no one ever went to high court or supreme court,
36:46because there was no land scam.
36:47So, I think this will be the tendency, going to the UP election, they will find multiple things.
36:51Something, maybe have a truth.
36:52I am not saying there is no embarrassment will happen.
36:54But all the faith, all the surveys coming,
36:57because there is so much confusion created around the TV channels,
36:59around the social media, by Samajbadi Party, right?
37:02Once the SIT report will come out, once the Yogi Etnath government will take action,
37:06I am sure this survey should be done again.
37:07And also, there should be questions about what should be done about the people who spread the rumours.
37:12If there are rumours, right?
37:15The people have spoken amounts.
37:17Seven and a half crores, 200 crores, 500 crores.
37:19They all should be booked that they were all spreading rumours.
37:21This can lead to writing. This is a serious issue.
37:23So, everyone who is speaking on Ayodhya topic should be very serious,
37:27should come with a sense of responsibility.
37:29Don't do school.
37:30But sir, it's the Yogi Etnath government, and let me bring in Anurag Bhadhoria.
37:37Shandhanu Gupta very clearly says on Ayodhya,
37:39if there are rumours, 7 crores, 200 crores, 500 crores, 500 crores,
37:48who are saying that it's a big scam.
37:50What is the case of this?
37:52This is a big deal.
37:56This is a big deal.
37:57SIT can be seen.
37:58So, what are the concerns of Ayodhya,
38:00what are the concerns of Ayodhya,
38:06which means that if the FIR has been looking for it?
38:16I would be very disappointed.
38:19The second thing is, we have not said that we have not said that the disaster has been
38:24talking about 200 Centiq's Eats about our receipts.
38:28We don't have said that we didn't call it.
38:33The answer is, we don't call it.
38:34So, you can't call it the answer.
38:35The question is, where we have a problem, we have raised this problem.
38:40If you have said that, as Mahat Kamal, you said that,
38:44ڈیویسن سرنج سنگھ کی بات سنی ہوگی کہتے ہیں میں اس میں کچھ نہیں
38:47بولوں گا بہت بڑے لوگ ہیں میرا نقصان ہو جائے گا جب بولنے کو
38:51لوگ تیار نہیں ہے ویسے تو اتنے مجبوط آدمی ہیں وہ ہر بات
38:54پہ بولتے ہیں یہاں پہ کیوں نہیں بولے پھر نپیند مصرہ جی
38:58کا بھی ہم نے سنا کہ بھئی کچھ تو خامیاں تھی اس طرح کا بھی
39:01ان کا آیا تو سوال اٹھتا ہے کہ جب کچھ خامیاں ہیں وہ بات اٹھی
39:05ہے تو یہ ذمہ داری ٹرسٹ کی بہت بڑی ہو جاتی ہے اور سرکار
39:09کی بھی ذمہ داری بڑی ہو جاتی ہے کہ اس کا سچ سامنے آنا چاہیے
39:13چونکہ یہ ہمارے آستا کا وشہ ہے اور میں نے تو بولا تا سربوچ
39:17نیالے کی نگرانی میں ہو تو زیادہ اچھا ہے ہم تو یہی کہہ رہے ہیں
39:20نہیں کہ میرے پربو کو ماننے والے لوگ ہیں نا اس لیے ہم ایسی
39:22باتیں کہہ رہے ہیں سماجوادی لوگ اس لیے بات کو کہہ رہے ہیں
39:24کہ پربو کے یہاں گردی ہوئی ہے
39:26شانترکوپتہ ہوں تو کوئی کچھلی رسپوند
39:27پوری رہے ہیں مستر جانان عدویتا
39:30ٹھیک شانترکوپتہ
39:32اگر قوٹ منٹر پروب پرہیس
39:33ایک سپریم قوٹ منٹر پروب
39:36پر sure if need it be
39:37if SIT people are not satisfied
39:39if we see the if the government deem fit
39:40the administration deem fit
39:42see if the police سے جانچ ہوتی ہے
39:44کہتے ہیں تو سی بیٹھا دیا یہ کیا جانچ کرے گا
39:46they put a high powered SIT
39:47the cbi say where the modi cbi so they will find an argument if the if the report doesn't suit
39:52the
39:52argument and also one more point this should not become a reason for the government control of the
39:57temple right because in south there are multiple multiple such cases came in the south indian
40:02temples which are managed by the governments there right in in karnataka in andhra pradesh in in
40:07telangana in kerala then many such cases came out where government is money so this should not become
40:12a case the process should become robust sit should give the case accounting honi hai kaise receipt
40:17billi that process should be rock solid i'm sure this process mustered india is not a country of
40:22new temples we have multiple temples and the process is sorted and yet unfortunately we had these
40:27allegations mr jain uh you know for for decades and decades there was a campaign free hindu temples
40:36temples from government control why should why should the government only control hindu temples
40:42and their funds but if there is such shoddy management the government will find an excuse
40:47to take control uh and how will those funds be used but effectively you cannot even accept
40:53embezzlement of funds and when i interviewed mr nripendra mishra uh he did point to certain systems that
41:00have that should that should have been put in place doesn't this you know raise that very basic
41:05question why were these systems not in place jab itana bada divya bhavya ram mandir ban raha tha
41:10toh donation accounting or management ke liye ek foolproof system nahin bana sakta tha humara samaj
41:18us should have done it the appointed people in the trust who have been who had been appointed everybody
41:24knows those people i also knew one or two members i was close to raja sabayodhya also he was a
41:32kind of
41:32fine he's no more he was also a member of the trust we had been we had been in touch
41:39regarding the
41:41the affairs going on at the temple now i think the wings will be kept of the people who who
41:51have been
41:51controlling things uh ceo sort of person will sit there government appointee and there are no
41:59complaints at uh at kashi dham at uh waranasi i have been there i i had three postings at uh
42:10waranasi
42:10it's a very very sensitive no no no no embezzlement it's nothing everything is here everything is uh in
42:18front of uh everybody so such mechanism will be devised here also there are so many allegations
42:25are there that gold ornaments have been changed fake ornaments have been all these allegations
42:30will have to be listed don't expect them reacting from sit within five six days they have they have
42:36done a fairly good job i have been in touch with people at iodhya they have recorded statements of
42:42more than 100 people they have come to a certain conclusion that yes this this this this this
42:47should be should be should be set right and only then things will improve yes but every day's delay
42:54considering you know this entire the allegation the allegation of scam some cctv images uh all the
43:04stories that came out and every day's delay does that not cost the sriram temple management their
43:11reputation and in the run-up to elections will it not have consequences even for the government
43:18well see i i think um god of the thing is that there are hundreds of people who are involved
43:23in
43:23the daily running of the temple so there could be a lacunas at every level at the very modest level
43:29as
43:30well as at a higher level so that is something that does need to be investigated and it cannot be
43:37uh set aside because we want to take care of time or or emotions or the media narrative that cannot
43:44be
43:44that uh done because also nobody who is innocent should be implicated in this sort of tsunami of
43:50accusations that are flying around right now they must be investigated remember there are people
43:55associated with this trust who have dedicated their whole life to the building of the ram mandir
44:00right so there is no uh there this should not be rushed where we make unwitting victims out of
44:07people just by association so i think the important thing is that the uh that the sit does its job
44:13it
44:13does it in a timely manner but not necessarily in an expedient manner and i suspect as more facts emerge
44:21and as this uh investigation gets underway this is going to be a combination of yes could there be some
44:30mismanagement absolutely could it have been gatekeeping and a question of power that could be there too
44:36that element could be there too which led to certain oversights which would not should not have taken
44:41place i think it's going to be a combination of all of these and what will certainly happen is that
44:47there will be an overhaul i assume of the functioning of the trust and most importantly i think uh yogi
44:54adityanath is known as someone who takes law and order very seriously who takes property very
45:00seriously and we can expect uh justice in whatever form it is meant to arrive in fair enough and we'll
45:07be tracking that story very closely i want to thank all our guests for being a part of um the
45:12snap poll
45:13and analyzing the snap poll let me quickly for the benefit of viewers joining us give you a breakdown of
45:19the
45:19sea water survey findings and some simple takeaways the first takeaway more than 63 percent of the
45:25respondents they say allegations of donation theft of the divya bhavya ram temple they're very serious
45:31they're extremely serious 23 percent describe them as either quite serious or somewhat serious taken
45:37together 86 percent of those surveyed believe that these allegations need to be looked into because they
45:43are serious the second takeaway as many as 66 percent of nda supporters describe these allegations
45:48as a serious issue compared to 63 percent of the opposition supporters and that's very important
45:54the nda supporters themselves want hard action and cognizance in this matter more respondents who lean
46:02towards the nda are rather hurt by these allegations the third takeaway the question of accountability
46:08that could prove to be equally troubling for the ruling government more than a third of respondents
46:15say the temple trust should bear primary responsibility if wrongdoings are established and the 10 percent blame
46:21the local administration at ayodeya but 17 17 of the respondents they hold the yogi adityanath
46:28government responsible because if he's seen as someone who's an absolute no-nonsense chief minister
46:34zero tolerance chief minister then there should be zero tolerance here and hard action will that
46:39follow the fourth takeaway the controversy could also have political implications for a state that's
46:46bound for elections run up to next year's elections nearly half the respondents say their opinion of
46:51the yogi adityanath government may be impacted and may worsen if these allegations are eventually proven
46:57true 44 percent of nda supporters share the view that the figure may rise more than 57 among them are
47:04actually opposition supporters the fifth takeaway age appears to make a very significant difference here
47:10and this is something that everyone must watch very carefully among the respondents those above the
47:16age of 55 40 percent say that the allegations would negatively impact their view of the state
47:21government's performance but look at the youngsters the first time voters the second time voters those
47:27numbers between the age group of 18 and 24 that figure jumps to 58 percent the sixth takeaway
47:33the survey points to a noticeable erosion of trust in the management of the donations at the
47:38sriram janma bhoomi and this is where the teerth kshetre will have to pull up their socks
47:44overall nearly two-third of the respondents say their trust has been negatively impacted 18
47:50say there's no erosion of trust the seventh takeaway politically these findings could be a cause for
47:56concern for the ruling nda in the upcoming assembly elections in uttar pates 42 of the upper caste hindu
48:03respondents report an erosion of trust the figure rises to actually 60 when you bring in the scheduled
48:10cast the dalits the scheduled tribes when overall respondents are taken the eighth takeaway possible
48:17misuse of fun tops the list of concern for respondents more than 30 cited as their big worry about
48:2320 percent are concerned about the damage to the image of the sriram temple nda and opposition supporters
48:30they've expressed almost identical levels of concern over possible misuse of funds the ninth takeaway
48:36there is near consensus near consensus on the need for greater transparency in the handling of donations
48:44when asked whether major religious institutions should publicly disclose details of donation receive
48:50donations spent more than 80 percent of the respondents said yes there has to be greater
48:55transparency the tenth and final takeaway indians remain sharply divided on the fairness of the ongoing
49:01investigations of these allegations the special investigation team has already submitted its
49:08preliminary report 49 believe the probe will be fair and truth will eventually come out 44 are not so
49:16convinced and we'll keep an eye on this story very closely very very important not just from the point of
49:24point of view of faith but also from the point of view of law and order and criminal justice a
49:31big international
49:32story of the day it's a huge setback for u.s president donald trump the u.s senate has voted
49:38to limit
49:39the trump administration's ability to launch fresh military action against iran without express
49:46congressional approval the senate passed the iran war power resolution by a vote of 50 to 48 with four
49:55republicans breaking ranks to join the democrats in support of the move of course one democrat also
50:00voted against it in favor of president trump the resolution actually sought to prevent the u.s president
50:06from taking u.s action deeper into the conflict without express congressional approval president
50:12trump reacted sharply to this censure of sorts by the senate he's called the vote poorly timed meaningless
50:20the american president accused lawmakers of undermining his effort at a crucial stage in the confrontation
50:26with tehran donald trump claimed iran was on the ropes and for the first time in decades was actually
50:33showing respect for both the united states and its president president trump reserved some of the
50:39strongest criticism for the four republican senators who packed the resolution calling them as republican
50:47losers i quickly want to cut across to my colleague sandeep unethan who joins us for more on the story
50:53sandeep that's a huge setback for president trump because world over he's being criticized that iran had the
50:59upper hand and even internally now his wings are being clipped absolutely god of uh you know it is a
51:05big symbolic setback to president trump uh and i say symbolic because uh you know there is no one to
51:12really enforce this while the senate might actually uh you know clip his wings you know in a sense there's
51:19no one to really uh enforce what the senate has just passed and the president is really free to do
51:24as he
51:25pleases that is the executive side of it but it's symbolically it's a huge loss of face for president
51:31trump given the fact that it's he is in such a tight spot with the negotiations with iran and it
51:36only
51:36strengthens iran's position if you look at it and they say that look we are not the ones who are
51:41saying
51:41it uh it's the us senate who's voting against uh president trump so it puts trump in a in a
51:46spot it
51:47puts him on a very weak wicket when he comes to justifying this war gaurav
51:52and the most crucial phase of negotiations begin only now especially on that crucial nuclear aspect
51:57and the ballistic missiles issue sandeep quick 30 seconds absolutely uh and you know this is there
52:03is no way out of this really for trump if you look at it all of those four things that
52:07he started out
52:07to achieve uh his war objectives have not been met whether it's uh you know ballistic missiles the
52:13proxies to get iran out of the strait of hormuz now so there's very little that he has uh to
52:18negotiate with iran and it is iran on the ascendant when it comes to these stocks as they have proved
52:24in the last couple of days oh absolutely sadheep keep tracking that story i will come back to you
52:30for more but that is all we have for you on india first this evening many thanks for watching
Comments