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The BJP outlined what it called the characteristics of 'dimagi naxals', while Union Home Minister Amit Shah said the Bhatti terror network had been dismantled, linking the remarks to the government's broader campaign against extremism and internal security threats.
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00:00Good evening, you're watching India First. I'm Gaurav Savan.
00:03That big, demagy, naxal showdown between the ruling BJP and the opposition Congress, that's just escalated.
00:11Remember from the ramparts of the Red Fort, Prime Minister Narendra Modi, he spoke of the country's success,
00:18his government's success in combating Red Terror and eliminating it.
00:24The threat of the armed Maoists, but then he flagged the threat of demagy naxals,
00:31perhaps the intellectual naxals, who perhaps still posed a huge challenge.
00:38And he said, there's need to identify them and there is need to isolate them.
00:43And he said this from the ramparts of the Red Fort.
00:44The opposition has now launched a counter-attack.
00:48They've launched a campaign of sorts against this statement of the Prime Minister
00:51with senior Congress leader and former union Home Minister and Finance Minister
00:57during the Congress government, P. Chidambaram.
01:01He said, proud to be a demagy naxal.
01:04PDP Chief and former Chief Minister of the erstwhile state of Jammu and Kashmir,
01:08Bebooba Mufti, and Aam Admi Party Supremo and former Chief Minister of Delhi,
01:14Arvind Kejriwal, they too said that they take great pride in being called demagy naxals.
01:18The opposition says anyone who speaks against the Narendra Modi government
01:23or challenges the ideology of the BJP and the Sangh is now being branded a demagy naxal
01:29or an intellectual naxal.
01:31But the BJP has once again hit back.
01:34They insist the Prime Minister's statement wasn't directed at the opposition at all.
01:39The BJP says demagy naxal is someone who actually justifies armed terror of the Maoists.
01:46People who provide intellectual cover to armed terrorists.
01:52Those who reject constitution of India.
01:55Those who support separatism.
01:57And they've gone to the extent of saying, you know, the Tukude Tukude gang.
02:01Those who seek the return of Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir.
02:04Or those who back those who say, let's cut off India at the Northeast.
02:10Let's cut off India's chicken's neck.
02:12And those who justify it as freedom of speech and expression.
02:16Those are the intellectual naxals who give cover fire to the terrorists.
02:21To the armed terrorists.
02:22And they are no less dangerous claims the BJP.
02:25At the same time, the BJP has hit out at the Congress in particular.
02:29The Home Minister, former Home Minister,
02:32Peecha Dambaram in particular, over its approach to the Red Terror.
02:35They've cited a statement by former Prime Minister, Dr. Manmohan Singh in 2006.
02:42Dr. Manmohan Singh, late Dr. Manmohan Singh, had said in 2006 that it would not be an exaggeration to say
02:50that the problem of naxalism is the single biggest security challenge ever faced by our country.
02:59So the big question is, who is playing politics on a very critical issue of national security, on Red Terror?
03:07Remember, there was once a corridor all the way, as the Home Minister, Amit Shah,
03:12describes that corridor from Thirupati to Pashupati.
03:16A red corridor from the Nepal border, going all the way down, even to Karnataka,
03:21with parts of Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Karnataka.
03:29And of course, offshoots of these red terror organizations spreading to other parts,
03:35spreading the tentacles to other parts.
03:36Bihar, Jharkhand, Bengal.
03:38That was the extent.
03:40180 districts of our country were provided.
03:43We'll talk about that in greater detail.
03:44Who's providing intellectual cover to naxalism?
03:48We'll also talk about the controversy over the alleged insult to our national song, Vande Mathram.
03:56The BJP has come out all guns blazing against Sonia Gandhi
04:00and leader of opposition in Lok Sabha, Rahul Gandhi.
04:03For that picture that's going absolutely viral,
04:08the BJP and some of the supporters,
04:10they're seeking a clarification from the Congress
04:13to come clean on the gestures of Sonia Gandhi.
04:19Did she say words to the effect, stop?
04:21The BJP alleges Sonia Gandhi disrespected the national song
04:25by asking for the singing of all six stanzas to be stopped midway.
04:29The BJP has accused Rahul Gandhi of saying Vande Mathram,
04:33they don't sing it, or words to the effect that we don't sing it.
04:37We will discuss the politics around both these controversies coming up at 8.35 tonight.
04:42And you cannot miss this story.
04:43It's the big crackdown, nationwide crackdown,
04:47on sleeper cells of Pakistan's ISI in India.
04:50And Union Home Minister Amit Shah has given details,
04:53saying India has dismantled the ISI-backed Shahzad Bhatti terror network,
04:58foil plans of subversive attacks ahead of Independence Day.
05:02And there were near-simultaneous raids carried out across the country,
05:06and arrests made through 14 states.
05:09More than 200 operatives suspected,
05:12ISI sleeper cells and their enablers
05:15taken into custody across 14 states.
05:18Improvised explosive devices have been recovered.
05:20Pakistan Ordnance Factory POF marked grenades have been recovered.
05:24Arms and ammunition in large quantities,
05:26according to the Ministry of Home Affairs,
05:28they've been recovered.
05:29But there is a bigger picture that's still approaching
05:32because these raids and these searches continue even as we speak.
05:35There are 500 plus suspicious mobile numbers
05:40and individuals who are under the scanner.
05:43Social media units,
05:45social media being used by select of these operatives,
05:50they've been split into various sleeper cells and units,
05:53used to recruit Indians to be a part of ISI sleeper cell.
05:58CCTV cameras were installed at sensitive locations.
06:01CCTV cameras with a telephone number chip.
06:04And real-time images were being transmitted on the movement
06:09of our security forces, of our army.
06:12Railway movement of military trains, for example.
06:15And Pakistan-based handlers allegedly directed
06:18these sleeper cells to carry out tasks on Indian soil,
06:22to carry out a big terror attack.
06:23At the center of this web is Shahzad Bhatti.
06:28That man you see on your television screen.
06:31Now, investigative agencies say,
06:33Shahzad Bhatti is a Pakistan-based terror handler.
06:35He's linked to a series of grenade attacks and IED blasts,
06:39targeted killings and espionage within our country.
06:41We'll get you more details at 8.35 tonight.
06:44How this network recruited people,
06:47how the lure of money,
06:50radicalization through religion,
06:51how it operated and how a major part of this module
06:54has been dismantled, searches continue.
06:57But first up, we bring you this ground report
06:59on this big political fight between the BJP and the Congress,
07:02the government and the opposition
07:04on the Dimaagi Naksal
07:06and this controversy over Wande Matram.
07:14The Independence Day fireworks continue.
07:18But this is not about patriotism.
07:21It is pure politics.
07:25The phase-off between the BJP and Congress continues
07:28over Prime Minister Modi's Dimaagi Naksal attack
07:31during his Independence Day address.
07:34Prime Minister said,
07:36armed Naksalism had been decisively dealt,
07:39but warned that its ideological ecosystem
07:42could still promote violence and anarchy
07:45and need to be identified and isolated.
08:06And the opposition is outraged.
08:10They claim anyone who opposes the government
08:12is branded a Naksal.
08:13First, it was urban Naksal.
08:15Now, it is Dimaagi Naksal.
08:32Senior Congress leader, P. Chudamram,
08:34proudly called he's a Dimaagi Naksal.
08:39P. D. P. D. P. Chief Mehmova Mufti followed,
08:41saying she supports Article 370
08:44and is a proud Naksal.
08:46And Aamadmi Party Chief Arvind Kejriwal
08:49has joined the chorus.
08:51I, Arvind Kejriwal,
09:00The BJP has hit back,
09:02claiming it never called the opposition Naksals.
09:05The BJP insists a Dimaagi Naksal
09:08is someone who supports Maoist violence,
09:11rejects the Constitution,
09:13stands with separatists,
09:15advocates the restoration of Article 370,
09:17or seeks to sever the Northeast
09:20from the rest of the India
09:21through the chicken's neck.
09:24And then there is the other Independence Day flashpoint,
09:27the storm over the alleged insult
09:29to Vande Mataram by Sonia Gandhi
09:31during the Independence Day celebrations.
09:34Home Minister Amit Shah
09:35has accused Sonia Gandhi
09:37of disrespecting Vande Mataram
09:39and demanded an apology.
10:00The BJP has been releasing
10:02a series of clips
10:03in which Rahul Gandhi
10:05can allegedly be heard saying
10:06Vande Mataram should not be sung here.
10:25In response,
10:26the Congress maintains
10:27there was no disrespect
10:28to the national song
10:30and that Sonia Gandhi
10:31was merely asking for a chair
10:33for Kharage
10:34in the now viral video.
10:36But that claim
10:38has been punctured
10:39by the Congress MP himself.
10:57Multiple complaints
10:58have now been filed
10:59against Rahul Gandhi
11:00and Sonia Gandhi
11:01seeking action
11:02against them
11:03under the new law.
11:04Demaghi Naksal
11:06on one side.
11:07One Day Mataram
11:08on the other.
11:10A full-blown political war
11:12over the definition
11:13of patriotism.
11:15Bureau Report,
11:17India Today.
11:24In the strong,
11:25noisy, vibrant democracy,
11:27you have the opposition
11:28taking on the government
11:29over what the Prime Minister
11:31said from the ramparts
11:33of the Red Fort
11:33need to identify
11:35and isolate
11:36Demaghi Naksals
11:37and former Home Minister
11:39Pichad Amram,
11:40who's actually,
11:41when he was in government
11:42as Home Minister,
11:44led that Operation Green Hunt,
11:45fought, you know,
11:47strategized,
11:48fighting the Red Terror,
11:49says I'm proud to be
11:50a Demaghi Naksal.
11:52Let's try and make sense
11:53of these developments.
11:54Dr. Vikram Singh
11:55joins us as a security expert.
11:57Charu Pragya defends
11:58the BJP.
11:59Mohan Kumar Mangalam
12:00is the national spokesperson
12:01of the Congress Party.
12:02Also with me
12:03is Priyanka Kakkar,
12:05chief national spokesperson
12:06of the Aam Admi Party.
12:07Let me begin.
12:08Let me begin by asking
12:10Mohan Kumar Mangalam,
12:12you know,
12:13you're reading, Mohan,
12:15of the former Union
12:17Home Minister
12:18and Finance Minister
12:19saying proud to be
12:20a Demaghi Naksal.
12:22Now, this is a Home Minister
12:23and I have reported
12:25this on ground.
12:26The war on Red Terror,
12:28Operation Green Hunt,
12:29his strategy,
12:30his efforts,
12:31he knows the problem.
12:32Dr. Manmohan Singh
12:32had said,
12:34you know,
12:35Naksalism is the biggest threat
12:36our country faces.
12:37Now he says,
12:38I'm proud to be
12:38a Demaghi Naksal.
12:39Your take on this?
12:43Gaurav,
12:44what do the words
12:44Demaghi Naksal mean?
12:45This is just old wine
12:47in a new bottle.
12:49These words have been
12:50used in the past
12:51by the Prime Minister,
12:52by the Home Minister
12:52when he's called
12:54people who protested
12:55or who disagree with him
12:56urban Naksals,
12:58Andolan GVs,
12:59Tukade Tukade Gang.
13:00At different points in time,
13:02they've used different terms
13:03to dispelage anybody
13:04who chooses to question
13:06their methods,
13:06choose to question
13:07their decisions,
13:08question their authority.
13:10And in that vein,
13:11Mr. Chidambra
13:12has said that
13:13he's also
13:13Demaghi Naksal.
13:15You know,
13:15the Prime Minister himself,
13:16I remember during
13:17the election campaign,
13:19had actually used
13:20the word urban Naksal
13:21to refer to people
13:22who were against
13:22the caste census.
13:23It's a different matter
13:24that he turned around
13:25and actually started,
13:26you know,
13:26decided to implement
13:27the caste census
13:28or announced that
13:28they were going
13:29to implement it rather.
13:30So these terms
13:31do not refer to
13:32actual Naksals
13:33or the ones
13:35that Mr. Chidambra
13:36when he was
13:37Home Minister
13:38was the hardest on.
13:39In fact,
13:39as you mentioned
13:40with Operation Green Hunt,
13:41this is merely
13:42another reference,
13:43another veiled reference.
13:44And in this
13:45current context,
13:46obviously refers
13:47to the recent
13:48student protest
13:48which they
13:50cracked down on
13:51brutally.
13:51and now they're
13:53coming up with
13:53a term to justify.
13:55So let me get
13:55Charu Pragya
13:56to respond to that.
13:58Charu Pragya,
13:58you heard
13:59Mohan Kumar Manglam
14:00and the Congress
14:01Party and the
14:02opposition,
14:02I mean,
14:02you have PDP,
14:04you have Aam Admi Party,
14:05they're all saying
14:06Dimagi Naksal
14:08is just a
14:09political label
14:11to silence
14:12any criticism,
14:13any dissent.
14:15What is the
14:15definition of
14:16Dimagi Naksal
14:17for you?
14:19Gaurav,
14:20a very good evening
14:20to you and good
14:21evening to all
14:22our viewers.
14:22Dimagi Naksal
14:24is not a term
14:25which has been
14:25coined just now
14:27only by Modiji.
14:28If I take you
14:29back to February
14:302010,
14:31then Home Minister
14:32of our country,
14:33today's Senior
14:34Congress Leader
14:35Peet Chidambaram
14:36said that
14:37intellectual support
14:38to the Maoists
14:39is a big problem.
14:40Shortly,
14:41during the same
14:42period of time,
14:43then Prime Minister
14:45of our country,
14:46Sri Manmohan Singh
14:47said that the
14:47single biggest
14:48internal security
14:49challenge
14:50ever faced by
14:51our country
14:52is Naksalism.
14:53So today,
14:54the word Naksal
14:55which has been
14:56written in the
14:57blood of Indian
14:58civilians and
14:58security personnel
15:00cannot be used
15:01as a political
15:03brownie scoring
15:04point by these
15:05very same people.
15:06And you know,
15:06the irony is
15:09unbelievable
15:09because a person
15:11who was a
15:11home minister
15:12of our country
15:13was privy to
15:14intelligence reports
15:15that we'll never
15:16end up seeing
15:17Gaurav.
15:17This person
15:18knew what
15:19Maoist networks
15:20were doing.
15:21This person
15:21knew very
15:22clearly that
15:23these Maoist
15:24networks were
15:24being supported
15:25by so-called
15:27intellectuals
15:27outside their
15:28circle,
15:29finances outside
15:30their circle.
15:31And I have
15:31been saying this
15:32time and time
15:32again.
15:33The state can
15:34punish an
15:34unlawful activity.
15:36Yes, definitely.
15:37The state has
15:38achieved now
15:39zero Naksalism
15:40and that's
15:41massive progress
15:41for our country.
15:42But only society
15:44can reject an
15:45ideology.
15:45And this is
15:46what Modiji
15:46said in his
15:47speech.
15:47He was
15:48categorically
15:48clear.
15:49The difference
15:50is very clear.
15:50Naksalism is an
15:52ideology.
15:53And it is.
15:54It is Gaurav.
15:55Allow me 10 more
15:56seconds to expand
15:57on that ideology.
15:5810 more seconds.
15:59An ideology which
16:00says that power
16:01needs to be seized
16:02through a barrel
16:02of a gun,
16:03not through voting
16:04is the ideology
16:06of Naksalism.
16:06Now anybody who
16:07defends this by
16:08writing about it,
16:09by financing it,
16:10by defending it,
16:12by romanticizing it,
16:13all these people
16:14for me,
16:16for my party,
16:17for my prime minister
16:17fall under the
16:18category of
16:19Dimagi Naksals
16:19and that needs
16:20to stop.
16:21This ideology
16:21needs to be
16:22nipped in the bud.
16:23Today when somebody
16:24talks about
16:24cutting off the chicken
16:25I think Priyanka
16:25has a poster up.
16:26I want Priyanka
16:28Karkar and that
16:29poster for a moment.
16:31Priyanka, welcome.
16:33That poster says
16:34May Bhi Dimagi Naksal
16:36if I can read
16:36correctly.
16:38Tell me Priyanka
16:40May Bhi Dimagi Naksal
16:42and hashtag
16:43Dimagi Naksal.
16:44Okay, explain
16:45why are you
16:46Dimagi Naksal
16:47because the BJP
16:48says Dimagi Naksal
16:49are those
16:50and you heard
16:51Charu Pragya
16:52those who give
16:53intellectual cover
16:54to armed terror.
16:59You see the ideology
17:01good evening to
17:02everyone Gauravji
17:02to you to the
17:03panelists to your
17:04viewers.
17:04Now the thing is
17:05that the BJP
17:06is most scared
17:07only of one
17:08ideology which
17:09supports the theory
17:10that pen is
17:11mightier than
17:12the sword
17:12and we are
17:13believers of
17:14that ideology
17:14and that therefore
17:15the problem.
17:16Now you see
17:16they have a problem
17:17with anyone who
17:17questions them
17:20on any of their
17:20policies.
17:21If you ask them
17:21why you spent
17:22my 50,000 crores
17:23and where is
17:24the 100 smart
17:24cities you promised
17:25I will be called
17:26a Dimagi Naksal.
17:27I will be called
17:27a Dimagi Naksal
17:28if I ask them
17:29that you said
17:30that you will
17:34if I ask them
17:39that you said
17:42you will spend
17:43my money
17:43but not
17:43school
17:44therefore I will
17:45be a Dimagi Naksal.
17:46I am a Dimagi Naksal
17:47if I question them
17:48that you said
17:49you get an award
17:51the Prime Minister
17:52recently got an award
17:53a fake award
17:54you know
17:55no less
17:55on environment
17:56whereas we are
17:57ranking 176
17:59and on 177
18:00now on environment
18:01index
18:01therefore I am
18:02a Dimagi Naksal
18:03because I raise
18:03these points
18:04and I question them.
18:05Now you also see
18:06it is a very
18:07familiar pattern
18:08of the BJP
18:09when you will see
18:09them
18:10when the Prime Minister
18:12travels to Punjab
18:13for example
18:14he will label
18:15the people
18:16their Khalistani
18:16in Kashmir
18:17the people
18:18become Atankwadi
18:18in Kerala
18:19he will call
18:20people Somalian
18:21in Bengal
18:22he will call
18:22them Bangladeshi
18:23so this
18:24we are quite
18:25familiar with
18:26the pattern
18:26of Pradhan Mantriji
18:27and it is time
18:28that he now
18:29answers these
18:31questions
18:31because he is
18:32all that the BJP
18:33has done in the
18:34past 12 years
18:35is done a
18:36khichdi
18:37hodgepodge
18:38media management
18:39optics management
18:40but there is
18:41not a thing
18:42to show on the
18:42ground
18:43not a single
18:44work completed
18:45of all the
18:45promises made
18:46the dollar
18:46is not equal
18:47to one
18:48give me 30 seconds
18:49Charu wants to
18:50quickly respond
18:50to a direct charge
18:51before I bring in
18:52Dr. Vikram Singh
18:53and I will bring you
18:54in also Mohan
18:54go ahead Charu Pragya
18:57you know I find
18:58this really
18:59really insulting
19:00to the lives
19:01we have lost
19:02to Naxalism
19:02in our country
19:03Gaurav
19:04when people
19:05who are intellectual
19:06in their own right
19:07in their own
19:08fields of work
19:09want to call
19:10themselves a Naxal
19:11and they want to
19:12call themselves a Naxal
19:13with pride
19:14I think that is
19:15derogatory to every
19:16single life that has
19:17been lost
19:17between 2004
19:18and 2014
19:19close to 7000 lives
19:21both civilian
19:22and all security
19:22personal have been
19:23lost to the
19:24Naxalbari movement
19:25so today
19:26leaders
19:27who are supposed
19:27to be setting
19:28an example
19:29for the rest
19:29of society
19:30are taking pride
19:31in calling themselves
19:32Naxal
19:33I just don't get it
19:34and if it begins
19:35from somebody
19:36who has been
19:36the home minister
19:37of our country
19:37I think it is
19:38downright sad
19:39and that is the
19:40lowest Indian opposition
19:41could have hit
19:42okay but both
19:43Mohan and
19:44you know Priyanka
19:45have raised the point
19:47that it's not
19:48the intellectual
19:49Naxals
19:50you are talking about
19:51are those who
19:51question your government
19:52on anything
19:53whether it's the
19:54NEET exam leaking
19:56paper leak
19:57or anything to do
19:58with dissent
19:59respond to that
20:01very diric charge
20:02Gauri ji very short
20:03retort
20:03look at what
20:04Charu Pragya did
20:05Charu Pragya very
20:06smartly deleted
20:08the word
20:08Dimagi
20:08and only spoke
20:09about Naxal
20:10just to play
20:12manipulate with the
20:13words because she's
20:13a lawyer
20:14she knows how to
20:15that is how smartly
20:16so we are
20:17yes yes
20:18you repeatedly
20:19said Naxals
20:20Naxals
20:21Naxals
20:21we are very
20:22clearly talking
20:23about Dimagi
20:24Naxals
20:24no allow me
20:25to clarify that
20:26Gaurav
20:27no not at all
20:28not at all
20:28even the
20:29governmentally
20:30he did not
20:30speak what he said
20:31now you have to
20:32kill a lot of
20:33you have to
20:34kill a lot of
20:35Priyanka please
20:36do not put words
20:37in my mouth
20:38Gaurav
20:39allow me 10 seconds
20:39to clarify before
20:40you go to the
20:41congress spokesperson
20:42okay 10 seconds
20:43to clarify before
20:44I bring in Dr.
20:44Vikram Singh
20:44and Mohan
20:47the number of
20:48people who hold
20:49a gun in their
20:50hands and who
20:51shoot is limited
20:52but the ecosystem
20:53which supports
20:54these select
20:55people who hold
20:56the gun in their
20:57hands and shoot
20:58is a lot and
20:59that is the
20:59ecosystem we are
21:00talking about
21:01I did not take
21:01Dimagi out of it
21:02I meant that the
21:04word Naxal itself
21:05whether you add
21:05intellectual before
21:06it you add
21:07Dimagi before it
21:08whether you add
21:09urban before it
21:10the meaning
21:10remains the same
21:11if you think
21:12that in this
21:13country you can
21:14see power
21:15by an armed
21:16revolution
21:16then that is
21:18not what we
21:19are going to
21:19stand for
21:20and that is not
21:21what we are
21:21able to allow
21:22let me bring in Dr.
21:22Vikram Singh
21:22somebody who has
21:23dealt with the
21:24issue on ground
21:25Dr.
21:26Vikram Singh
21:26Mohan give me a
21:27moment
21:28Dr.
21:28Vikram Singh
21:29how real is the
21:30threat of
21:32Dimagi Naxals
21:32as the Prime
21:33Minister puts it
21:34is that a
21:35bogey
21:35just to silence
21:37dissent
21:37and what is
21:39your reading of
21:40intellectual Naxals
21:41I mean do they
21:41actually exist
21:42or is this
21:43you know
21:45a bogey that
21:46the Prime
21:46Minister is
21:47creating or the
21:47government is
21:48creating
21:49good evening
21:50Gaurav ji
21:50and esteemed
21:51co-panelists
21:52I would say
21:53nothing would be
21:53farther from truth
21:54if I have to say
21:55that it is a
21:56fallacy
21:56the fact of the
21:57matter is that
21:58Dimagi Naxals
21:59or urban Naxals
21:59are a cruel
22:01reality unleashing
22:02themselves on the
22:03nation and they
22:05need to be dealt
22:05with a firm hand
22:06I will tell you the
22:07example and I will
22:08go into specifics
22:09not vague
22:10allegations
22:10ask as many
22:11questions as you
22:12want to
22:12but the first
22:13is what do
22:14they provide
22:14they provide
22:15ideological engine
22:17they are the
22:18software to the
22:19hardware that is
22:20the armed Naxals
22:21the Naxals that
22:22are in the
22:23jungles fighting
22:24guerrilla warfare
22:24they also provide
22:26the logistics of
22:27the legal cover
22:28and the recruitment
22:29base also
22:30and whenever there is
22:31a legal requirement
22:32they are the one
22:33who will get you
22:34the topmost lawyers
22:35to defend in the
22:36Supreme Court
22:36also
22:37now the fact of
22:38the matter is
22:39that these are
22:39the people who
22:40are the intellectual
22:41base and also
22:42the software of
22:43the machine that
22:44is of supercomputer
22:46earning almost
22:4725,000 crores
22:48when Naxalism
22:50wanted to speak
22:50Charu Pragya Ji
22:51rightly mentioned
22:52I take you back
22:53to November
22:552013 when
22:56Sushil Kumar
22:57Shindeji was
22:57the home minister
22:59and in the
22:59Supreme Court
23:00the affidavit
23:01was given that
23:01urban Naxalism
23:03is a reality
23:03and a threat
23:05if that be the
23:06case you cannot
23:07I mean wipe
23:07out and then
23:08deny that
23:09urban Naxalism
23:10is something
23:10that is created
23:11by the current
23:12prime minister
23:12the fact of the
23:13matter is
23:13that there is
23:14a think tank
23:15and that think
23:16tank is responsible
23:17for creating
23:18disinformation
23:19misinformation
23:19and fake news
23:20levelling false
23:21allegations
23:22and the recent
23:23I would give you
23:24a specific example
23:25there is a case
23:26where
23:26Sharjit Imam
23:27and Umar Khalid
23:28that they are
23:29being illegally
23:30detained
23:31because of this
23:32dichotomy
23:33in the Supreme Court
23:34judgments
23:34some hundred
23:35people have
23:36signed that
23:36I would strongly
23:37question
23:37I would say
23:38ask yourself
23:39would you say
23:40yes or no
23:40to these questions
23:42Kashmir
23:43go on sir
23:44complete your point
24:15do you say
24:15yes or no
24:15number of questions
24:16that's a very
24:16pertinent question
24:17you asked
24:17let me get
24:18both
24:18Mohan Kumar
24:19Mangalam
24:19and Priyanka
24:20Kakar
24:22on these
24:23specifics
24:24because urban
24:25Naxal
24:26is a statement
24:27that we have
24:27heard
24:28even when
24:29there was
24:29an earlier
24:30government
24:30in power
24:31Mohan
24:32you are well
24:32aware of
24:33that fight
24:33that took
24:33place
24:34or the
24:34argument
24:36between
24:36Peech Dambaram
24:37and Digvijay
24:38Singh
24:38on
24:40the fight
24:41against red
24:42terror
24:42on Dr.
24:43Manmohan
24:43Singh
24:43talking about
24:44red terror
24:44as a threat
24:45on ground
24:45and the
24:47home minister
24:47talking about
24:48the threat
24:48that those
24:49who give
24:49intellectual
24:50cover
24:50to the
24:51mouse
24:52remember
24:52Chintalnaar
24:53forest massacre
24:5475 CRPF
24:56people killed
24:56those who
24:57celebrated
24:58the killing
24:59are they
24:59urban Naxals
25:00or not sir
25:01Gaurav
25:02nobody has
25:02been harder
25:03on Naxalism
25:03than Mr.
25:04Chidambaram
25:04was when he
25:05was home
25:05minister
25:06so we are
25:06not even
25:07going to go
25:07into that
25:08right now
25:08Dr.
25:10Vikram Singh
25:10asked you
25:11a specific
25:11those who
25:12celebrated
25:12that massacre
25:13of CRPF
25:15personnel
25:15are they
25:16urban Naxals
25:16or not
25:17Gaurav
25:18the term
25:19urban Naxal
25:21if used
25:22to describe
25:22someone who
25:24wants a caste
25:25census
25:26immediately stops
25:27referring to
25:28the urban Naxals
25:29that Mr.
25:29Singh is referring
25:30to and I
25:31wanted to ask
25:32Charupragya
25:33one question
25:33you talked
25:34about the ideology
25:35of seizing
25:36power
25:36under the
25:37threat of a
25:38gun
25:38now what
25:39do you
25:39say
25:39what do
25:40you call
25:40those people
25:41who want
25:41to maintain
25:42their hold
25:42over power
25:43by the
25:44lathe of
25:44the police
25:45by the
25:45trigger of
25:46the pellet
25:47gun
25:47or by the
25:48bullets of
25:48the AK-47
25:49against peaceful
25:50protesters
25:51what are they
25:51called
25:52are they
25:52called
25:52dimakhin
25:53darpokes
25:54when they
25:54run away
25:54from taking
25:55accountability
25:55or would
25:56you also
25:57call them
25:57dimakhin
25:58Naxals
25:58if you
25:59will
26:00fair enough
26:00Charupragya
26:01is responding
26:02to that
26:04I have
26:05always
26:05maintained
26:06this
26:06and I'm
26:06going to
26:07repeat it
26:07the protest
26:08which was
26:09supposed to
26:09be for a
26:10just cause
26:11was infiltrated
26:12we had the
26:13police make
26:13statements about
26:14it we saw
26:15proof of that
26:16we saw
26:16videographic
26:17evidence of
26:17that so at
26:18the end of
26:19the day do
26:20you actually
26:20think that
26:21anybody in
26:23this country
26:23should be
26:24allowed to
26:25ride roughshed
26:26over our
26:26police personnel
26:27and might I
26:27remind you
26:28we had an
26:29IEB officer
26:30who was stabbed
26:31to death
26:3228 times
26:33he was
26:33brutally
26:33stabbed
26:34to his
26:34death
26:35in the
26:36midst of
26:36a protest
26:36like this
26:37when the
26:38CAA protest
26:39was going
26:39on
26:40is that
26:40the kind
26:41of protesting
26:41you support
26:42or are you
26:43also a firm
26:44believer that
26:45protesting should
26:45be done in a
26:46lawful peaceful
26:47legal manner
26:48so if you
26:49cannot draw
26:49this distinction
26:50I think that
26:51is the downfall
26:51of the Indian
26:52opposition
26:52and I'm
26:53going to keep
26:53saying this
26:54again and
26:54again
26:54see Gaurav
26:55today the irony
26:56is
26:57let me just
26:59say this
26:59you know
27:00Prime Minister
27:01Manmohan
27:01saying defined
27:02it as India's
27:03biggest internal
27:04security challenge
27:05P. Chidambaram
27:06was fighting
27:06against it
27:07our personal
27:08so much of
27:09our police
27:10personnel had
27:10died for it
27:11and at the
27:12end of the
27:13day if 16
27:14years later
27:15that same
27:16former home
27:16minister uses
27:17the term
27:18Naksal that
27:18loosely I think
27:20it is terrible
27:20and they need
27:21to please
27:22exercise better
27:23caution
27:23Mohan Kumar
27:24wants to
27:25respond to
27:25you but I
27:25think I
27:25have Triyanka
27:26Kakkar's
27:26connection back
27:27I lost that
27:28connection
27:28I want to
27:29bring Triyanka
27:29Kakkar into
27:30this conversation
27:31those who
27:33tried to show
27:34the anti-CAA
27:35rights in the
27:36national capital
27:37as people
27:39coming out on
27:39the streets
27:40peacefully
27:40protesting
27:41against CAA
27:42saying Indian
27:43Muslims will be
27:44denied their
27:45citizenship
27:47okay Triyanka
27:48Kakkar
27:49Charu Pragya
27:50says those
27:50who justified
27:51those rights
27:52including the
27:53killing of the
27:54IB officer
27:55they are the
27:56urban Naksals
27:56the nation
27:57needs to guard
27:58against
28:01so to that
28:02my answer is
28:03Gaurav ji
28:04that she is
28:04already saying
28:05that they have
28:05a specific name
28:06BJP has called
28:08them urban Naksals
28:09BJP is calling
28:10certain people
28:11Atankwadi
28:11BJP calls
28:12certain people
28:13they have
28:14labeled other
28:14people
28:14there are
28:16people that
28:16BJP
28:17label
28:18Bengals
28:19people
28:19Bangladesh
28:19I'm coming
28:20na madam
28:21please
28:21I did not
28:21interrupt
28:22my audio
28:22is
28:22very
28:23my audio
28:24is not
28:24please be
28:25patient
28:26just Priyanka
28:26Kakkar
28:26please madam
28:28please madam
28:29don't be so
28:29impatient
28:30she starts
28:31jumping on
28:31her chair
28:32when I
28:32started talking
28:32so already
28:33BJP
28:34has been
28:35labeled
28:35Gaurav ji
28:36is what
28:36I'm getting
28:36at
28:37therefore
28:37this new
28:38name
28:38one second
28:39madam
28:40I was not
28:40speaking
28:41in your
28:41speech
28:42you
28:42have
28:44reshuffle
28:44you
28:45don't
28:46have
28:46your
28:46pravati
28:47hasn't
28:47changed
28:48you
28:49have
28:49changed
28:49till the
28:51PM
28:51is
28:51replaced
28:52you
28:52will
28:54interrupt
28:56please
28:57be
28:58patient
28:58I'm
28:59saying
28:59you
28:59already
28:59labeled
29:00the
29:00citizens
29:00of
29:01this
29:01country
29:01into
29:01various
29:02categories
29:02but this
29:03time the
29:04Prime Minister
29:04has come up
29:05with a new
29:05category
29:05so let's not
29:07confuse them
29:07with the
29:07previous category
29:08you've already
29:09labeled
29:09so that is what
29:10I'm trying to get
29:11at Gaurav Ji
29:11this is a new
29:12term
29:12Vibagi
29:12Naxal
29:13now
29:14BJP is trying
29:15to interpret
29:15in a different
29:16ways
29:16the Prime
29:17Minister
29:17has
29:17very
29:18understood
29:18and we
29:20know
29:20one second
29:22madam
29:23please
29:24don't
29:25say
29:25Gaurav Ji
29:26you will not
29:27moderate
29:27when they
29:28interrupt
29:29Gaurav Ji
29:30will you only
29:31interrupt
29:31will you only
29:32come in and
29:32moderate
29:33when I
29:33interrupt
29:34no
29:34oh you
29:35never
29:35interrupt
29:37you
29:37waited
29:38patiently
29:38for your
29:38turn
29:39that's why
29:39I said
29:39you complete
29:40your work
29:40your statement
29:41go ahead
29:41Priyanka
29:42yes
29:43yes
29:45please tell
29:46the BJP
29:47to be patient
29:47in his time
29:48I know
29:49the desperation
29:49that you have to
29:50say everything
29:50because it's
29:51going to bye
29:51bye
29:51but you don't
29:52behave yourself
29:53on TV
29:54you are on
29:54a most watched
29:55show
29:55now
29:56Gaurav Ji
29:57all I'm
29:57saying is
29:57that you
29:58know
29:58they've
29:58already
29:59labeled
29:59citizens
30:00of this
30:00country
30:00into
30:01different
30:01categories
30:02they've
30:02called
30:02them
30:02several
30:03names
30:03this is
30:04a new
30:04term
30:04that the
30:05Prime
30:05Minister
30:05has
30:05this
30:06time
30:06come out
30:07with
30:07and it
30:08is
30:08because
30:09of the
30:09fallout
30:09from
30:10Gen Z
30:12therefore
30:15it is a
30:16target
30:16it is an
30:17attack
30:17on those
30:17people
30:18who have
30:19the audacity
30:20so to speak
30:20to question
30:21the Prime
30:21Minister
30:21and that's
30:22that
30:22don't read
30:23more into
30:24it
30:24this is
30:25what is
30:26scared of
30:27the most
30:28it's
30:28the Gen Z
30:29it's the
30:30Gen Z
30:31on the
30:31streets
30:31that has
30:32you know
30:33the government
30:34nervous
30:34and that is
30:35why
30:35this term
30:36Diwagi
30:36Naksal
30:37just to
30:37counter
30:38any
30:38dissent
30:39so
30:39Gaurav
30:40two quick
30:40points
30:40one
30:41madam
30:41chose
30:42not to
30:42speak
30:42on
30:43Tahir
30:43Hussein
30:43who was
30:44from
30:44her
30:44party
30:45and they
30:45went
30:45out
30:45on a
30:46limb
30:46to
30:46defend
30:46him
30:46her
30:47included
30:47that
30:48Tahir
30:48Hussein
30:49has
30:49been
30:49given
30:49life
30:50imprisonment
30:50now
30:51second
30:52point
30:52and second
30:53point
30:53is
30:54that
30:54you know
30:56the
30:57truth of
30:58the matter
30:59is
30:59that
30:59she
31:00fails
31:01to
31:01distinguish
31:01between
31:02the term
31:02intellectual
31:03Naksal
31:03and
31:04Dimagi
31:05Naksal
31:05because
31:06intellectual
31:06Naksal
31:07the term
31:07was given
31:08by
31:08P.
31:09Chidambaram
31:09so can
31:10you tell
31:10me
31:10what
31:11is
31:11the
31:11difference
31:11between
31:11the
31:11two
31:12Hindi
31:12and
31:12English
31:12this
31:13is
31:13what
31:16it
31:16is
31:17so
31:18no
31:19please
31:19dissent
31:19please
31:20dissent
31:20please
31:21oppose
31:21the
31:21prime
31:21minister
31:22please
31:22oppose
31:23the
31:23government
31:23but
31:24in
31:24that
31:24if
31:24you
31:24feel
31:25proud
31:25at
31:25calling
31:26yourself
31:26a
31:26Naksal
31:27I
31:27think
31:27that
31:27is
31:27shameful
31:28and
31:28please
31:29ask
31:29her
31:29to
31:30respond
31:31why
31:31they
31:31defended
31:31Tahir
31:32Hussein
31:32and
31:32my
31:32second
31:33question
31:33is
31:33what
31:33is
31:33the
31:33difference
31:34between
31:34intellectual
31:34and
31:35demagy
31:35let's
31:36tell
31:36us
31:36the
31:36world
31:38changes
31:39from
31:40Mohan
31:41Kumar
31:41you
31:41want
31:42to
31:42quickly
31:42come
31:42in
31:42one
31:43the
31:43coinage
31:44of
31:44the
31:44terminology
31:44BJP
31:46says
31:46was
31:46by
31:46the
31:46congress
31:47and
31:47you
31:49know
31:49it's
31:49not
31:49just
31:492010
31:50Chintalnaar
31:50massacre
31:51you
31:52know
31:52it's
31:52with
31:52great
31:52pain
31:53that
31:53I
31:53also
31:53recall
31:54what
31:54happened
31:54in
31:542013
31:55remember
31:56in
31:56the
31:56Dirba
31:57valley
31:57where
31:57the
31:57almost
31:59the
31:59entire
31:59Chattisgarh
32:00congress
32:00leadership
32:00they
32:01were
32:01eliminated
32:02by
32:02armed
32:02Maoist
32:03terrorists
32:04and
32:05there
32:05were
32:05some
32:06who
32:06even
32:07celebrated
32:07from
32:08Chintalnaar
32:09to
32:09the
32:09violence
32:10who
32:10said
32:10that
32:11these
32:11are
32:12Gandhians
32:12with
32:12guns
32:13or
32:13words
32:13to
32:14their
32:14effect
32:14and
32:15those
32:15who
32:15say
32:17that
32:18India
32:19cut off
32:20these
32:21are
32:21the
32:21intellectual
32:22terrorists
32:22who
32:23the
32:23Prime
32:24Minister
32:24is
32:24referring
32:24to
32:25not
32:25the
32:25opposition
32:26as
32:26Union
32:27Minister
32:27Kiran
32:27Rijiju
32:28put
32:28it
32:28on
32:28these
32:29specific
32:29charges
32:30those
32:30who
32:30celebrate
32:31the
32:31killing
32:31of
32:32your
32:32party
32:33leadership
32:33for
32:33example
32:34nobody
32:35Gaurav
32:35in their
32:35right
32:36mind
32:36can
32:36support
32:37those
32:37statements
32:37or
32:38those
32:38actions
32:39it
32:39goes
32:39without
32:40saying
32:40what
32:41we're
32:41talking
32:41about
32:41here
32:42is
32:42what
32:42the
32:42Prime
32:43Minister
32:43meant
32:43and
32:44in
32:44what
32:44context
32:45he
32:45said
32:45and
32:46how
32:46he's
32:46used
32:46that
32:47term
32:47multiple
32:47times
32:48before
32:48almost
32:49I would
32:50argue
32:50flippantly
32:51thereby
32:52making
32:52light of
32:53something
32:53that's
32:53as
32:53serious
32:54as
32:54you
32:54describe
32:55it
32:55now
32:55I
32:59which is
33:00that she
33:01said
33:01when I
33:01talked
33:02about
33:02the
33:02student
33:02protest
33:03that
33:03happened
33:03that it
33:04was
33:04infiltrated
33:05so
33:06infiltrated
33:07by
33:07I assume
33:08she means
33:08Dimagi
33:09Naxals
33:09as the
33:10Prime
33:10Minister
33:10used that
33:11term
33:11so does
33:12she mean
33:12then that
33:12the Prime
33:13Minister
33:13forced
33:13the
33:14Education
33:14Minister
33:14to resign
33:15in response
33:16to a
33:16protest
33:17by
33:17Naxals
33:18is that
33:19how weak
33:19our Prime
33:20Minister
33:20is
33:20please don't
33:21confuse
33:22things
33:22I asked
33:23you a
33:23very simple
33:24question
33:24which is
33:25if there
33:26are people
33:26who are
33:26seizing
33:27power
33:27by the
33:28fear of
33:29the gun
33:29we are
33:30talking about
33:30people like
33:31yourselves
33:31who are
33:32actually
33:32trying to
33:33keep
33:33power
33:33under the
33:34threat of
33:34the gun
33:35under the
33:35threat of
33:36violence
33:36against
33:36students
33:37who are
33:37protesting
33:38in a
33:38completely
33:39non-violent
33:39fashion
33:40you know
33:41there's
33:41another
33:41protest
33:42that's
33:42happening
33:42even
33:43as we
33:43speak
33:43in
33:44Jharkhand
33:45and I
33:45will come
33:46to what's
33:46happening
33:46there
33:47because we
33:47want all
33:47sides
33:48of the
33:48story
33:48to come
33:49out
33:49while
33:50everyone
33:50protests
33:51and covers
33:52Delhi
33:52Jantar
33:53Mantar
33:53unfortunately
33:54is a
33:54tyranny
33:55of
33:55distance
33:55that
33:56Jharkhand
33:56they're
33:57still
33:57protesting
33:58and not
33:58much
33:59except
33:59on India
34:00today
34:00and on
34:00India
34:00first
34:01that will
34:01come out
34:02on India
34:02first
34:03I will
34:03get you
34:03yes I
34:04want you
34:04to
34:04quickly
34:04respond
34:04because I
34:05want to
34:05bring in
34:05Dr. Vikram
34:06Singh
34:06because this
34:07is far
34:07more serious
34:08an issue
34:08than just
34:09becoming a
34:10political
34:11intellectual
34:12intellectual
34:12natural
34:13absolutely
34:14Gaurav
34:14and that is
34:15what I was
34:15trying to
34:15come to
34:16see we
34:17set a
34:17very big
34:18target for
34:18ourselves
34:19when we
34:19said that
34:20we are
34:20going to
34:20make
34:20India
34:21Naxal
34:21free
34:21on the
34:2231st
34:23of March
34:232026
34:24this year
34:25India was
34:26declared
34:26Naxal
34:27free by
34:27our
34:27Honorable
34:28Home
34:28Minister
34:28big day
34:29after that
34:30this is the
34:30first
34:31Independence
34:31Day
34:32it was
34:32such a
34:33big
34:33occasion
34:34because
34:34like I
34:34said
34:35their own
34:35leadership
34:36has time
34:36and time
34:36talked
34:37about
34:37how
34:37Naxalism
34:38how
34:38Maoism
34:39was affecting
34:40us
34:40when we
34:41eliminated
34:42that
34:42would we
34:43not talk
34:43about it
34:44on our
34:44own
34:44Independence
34:45day
34:45why is
34:46it that
34:46their politics
34:47is so
34:47small minded
34:48and so
34:48small hearted
34:49that even
34:50a word
34:50like
34:50Naxalism
34:51and
34:51Dimagi
34:52Naxalism
34:52they want
34:53to connect
34:53it to
34:54a protest
34:54and not
34:55withstanding
34:55the fact
34:56that in
34:56Jharkhand
34:56there are
34:57700
34:57FIRs
34:58lodged
34:58in Delhi
34:59they were
34:59screaming
35:00and shouting
35:00what about
35:00taking
35:01those 700
35:01FIRs
35:02back
35:02today
35:03okay
35:03and I
35:04want to
35:04bring
35:04you
35:04in
35:04Dr
35:05Vikram
35:05Singh
35:05and
35:05Mohan
35:06you
35:06must
35:06think
35:06about
35:06that
35:07you
35:08know
35:08since
35:08your
35:08party
35:08is
35:08in
35:09partnership
35:10with
35:10JMM
35:10in that
35:11government
35:11in Jharkhand
35:13and can I
35:14say that
35:14Mr. Gandhi
35:15has written
35:15not only
35:16is our
35:16minister
35:16in that
35:17government
35:17gone and
35:18visited
35:18the
35:18protesters
35:19multiple
35:19times
35:19but Mr. Gandhi
35:20has written
35:21to the
35:21chief
35:21minister
35:21and spoken
35:22to him
35:22about
35:23the need
35:23to engage
35:24with those
35:24protesters
35:24and not
35:25resort to
35:25violence
35:26like
35:26the BJP
35:26government
35:27you know
35:27when news
35:27came in
35:28last
35:28the students
35:29are still
35:29waiting
35:30to meet
35:31the government
35:32there was a
35:33discussion
35:33that they
35:33would be
35:34meeting
35:34the government
35:34and they're
35:35still waiting
35:35to meet
35:36the government
35:36and these
35:37are students
35:37who've been
35:37or protesters
35:38who've been
35:39on a fast
35:40and you know
35:41not eating
35:4224 days
35:42and counting
35:43but I quickly
35:43want to bring
35:44in Dr. Vikram
35:44Singh
35:45sir
35:46while politics
35:47will and
35:48must continue
35:49because we're
35:50a noisy
35:50vibrant
35:51powerful democracy
35:52and very proud
35:52of the fact
35:53that we are
35:53but is this
35:55also in a
35:56way
35:56giving a
35:57shield
35:57to
35:58as far as
35:59the security
36:00forces are
36:00concerned
36:01to the
36:01to the
36:02intellectual
36:02naxals
36:03or the
36:03dimagi
36:04naxals
36:04or if
36:05the government
36:06has evidence
36:07forget labels
36:08opposition
36:09should label
36:10government
36:10has to act
36:11if there is a
36:12dimagi naxal
36:13produce evidence
36:14against him
36:14prosecute him
36:15in courts
36:15of law
36:17excellent
36:17question
36:18Gaurav ji
36:18and I would
36:19say that
36:19yes
36:20it is
36:20roadmap
36:21has been
36:22explained by
36:23the prime
36:23minister
36:23to identify
36:25and then
36:26isolate
36:27these are
36:28the road
36:28maps
36:28and then
36:29the further
36:29action will
36:30follow
36:30thereafter
36:30the prime
36:31minister is
36:32not expected
36:33to be an
36:33encyclopedia
36:34and disclose
36:35the entire
36:36roadmap
36:36on the 15th
36:37of August
36:37from the
36:38Red Fort
36:38the indication
36:39has been
36:39given
36:40and of course
36:40you very
36:41rightly said
36:41I'm proud
36:41to be an
36:42Indian
36:42citizen
36:43and a part
36:43of a
36:43vibrant
36:44democracy
36:45and also
36:46that peaceful
36:46protest is
36:47my legitimate
36:48right
36:48but at the
36:49same time
36:49I salute
36:50the valour
36:50of our
36:51paramilitary
36:52forces
36:52the police
36:53forces
36:53who indeed
36:54eliminated
36:54left wing
36:55extremism
36:55on 31st
36:56of March
36:572026
36:57and yes
36:58let us
36:59not dilute
36:59the issues
37:00by digressing
37:01and using
37:02the word
37:02in a
37:04derisive
37:04manner
37:04in a
37:05light
37:05manner
37:05in a
37:06laughable
37:06manner
37:07and let
37:07us not
37:08have a
37:08jaundiced
37:08eye
37:09to the
37:09supreme
37:09sacrifice
37:10given by
37:10our
37:11armed
37:11forces
37:11and the
37:12paramilitary
37:12forces
37:12but you
37:14know
37:14let there
37:14be hard
37:15action
37:15let there
37:16be hard
37:17action
37:17against
37:17those
37:17who
37:18provide
37:18intellectual
37:19cover
37:20to
37:21you know
37:21those who
37:22want to
37:22seize power
37:23from the
37:23barrel of
37:23the gun
37:24or worse
37:24to that
37:24effect
37:24but amidst
37:25all of
37:25this
37:25stay with
37:26me
37:26there's
37:27one more
37:27controversy
37:27I want
37:28to talk
37:28about
37:29and there's
37:30more information
37:31that's coming
37:31in
37:31so the
37:33BJP is
37:33now targeting
37:34Sonia Gandhi
37:36over
37:36Vande Matram
37:37there's another
37:38controversy
37:39that's hit
37:40the congress
37:40party
37:40at a
37:41congress
37:41party
37:41program
37:41in
37:42Goa
37:43Apparently
37:44only two
37:45stanzas
37:45of Vande
37:46Matram
37:46were sung
37:47and that
37:47too in
37:48the presence
37:48of
37:48congress
37:49president
37:49Malikarjun
37:50Kharge
37:50sources say
37:51this is a
37:52clear indication
37:53of the
37:53line that
37:54the congress
37:54is now
37:55likely to
37:55follow at
37:56future
37:56events of
37:57the party
37:57Only two
37:59stanzas
38:00of Vande
38:00Matram
38:01will be
38:01sung
38:01that's the
38:02information
38:03that is
38:03coming in
38:04but is
38:05this not
38:05then a
38:06violation
38:07of the
38:08law
38:09Mohan
38:10you want
38:10to quickly
38:11comment on
38:11this and
38:12can you
38:12tell us
38:13information is
38:14only two
38:14stanzas of
38:15Vande Matram
38:16was sung
38:16at Goa
38:18congress
38:20I'm sorry
38:21Gaurav I
38:21can't tell you
38:21anything about
38:22this because
38:22this is the
38:22first I've
38:23heard of it
38:24on your
38:24show I
38:25have absolutely
38:25no idea
38:26if it's
38:27you know if
38:28at all this
38:28is true but
38:29all I know
38:30is the
38:30entire the
38:31song in
38:31its entirety
38:31was sung
38:32on Independence
38:33Day at
38:34Congress
38:34Indra Bhavan
38:35so this is
38:36the first
38:36I'm hearing
38:37that two
38:37stanzas
38:37only were
38:38sung in
38:38Goa
38:38I can't
38:39comment on
38:39that without
38:40finding out
38:40more about
38:41it
38:41sure but
38:43is this
38:44then a
38:44violation
38:45of the
38:46new law
38:462026
38:47law and
38:50Charu Pragya
38:50if the
38:51Congress
38:52party says
38:53that Sonia
38:54Gandhi was
38:55only trying
38:55to seek
38:56a chair
38:57for Malikarjun
38:59Kharge
38:59why is the
39:00BJP saying
39:00that she
39:01tried to
39:01stop the
39:02singing of
39:03Vande Matram
39:04Gaurav tell
39:05me something
39:06had we
39:09been singing
39:09our Rashtra
39:10Gaan at
39:11that point
39:11of time
39:12would she
39:13have stopped
39:14in the
39:14middle
39:15looked who
39:15standing to
39:16her left
39:17or her right
39:17and talked
39:19about anything
39:21else
39:21she wouldn't
39:22have she
39:23would have
39:23waited for
39:23that one
39:24one and a
39:24half minute
39:25more for
39:26the Rashtra
39:26Geet to get
39:27over before
39:28she started
39:28talking it's
39:29as simple
39:29as that
39:30if you
39:30respected it
39:31from the
39:31bottom of
39:32your heart
39:32he's been
39:33standing there
39:34you think
39:34Malikarjun
39:35Ji was not
39:36standing there
39:37for a long
39:37time already
39:38would one
39:38more minute
39:39would have
39:39mattered that
39:40much and
39:41would anybody
39:41else dare to
39:42show this
39:43kind of
39:43disrespect
39:44had it been
39:45Jan Ganaman
39:45you wouldn't
39:47you wouldn't
39:47and that is
39:48my limited
39:48point see
39:49this disinterest
39:50and this
39:53disrespect
39:53it is not
39:55new it has
39:56lived for 90
39:56years it continues
39:57to live and
39:58manifest itself
39:59today in
40:00congress offices
40:01across the
40:01country and I
40:02challenge you
40:03had it been
40:04any other
40:04thing you
40:05would have
40:05waited for
40:06that one
40:06minute instead
40:07of looking
40:07left and
40:08right mother
40:08and son are
40:09seen talking
40:09to each other
40:10I mean that's
40:11how disrespectful
40:11you were
40:12how low can you
40:13fall
40:13Mohan you want
40:14to quickly
40:14respond to that
40:15before I bring in
40:15Dr. Vikram Singh
40:16on the legal
40:16position and
40:17Priyanka in case
40:18she wants to
40:18comment on this
40:19but Mohan
40:21I think as far
40:22as the amendment
40:22goes talking
40:24during the
40:25song is not
40:26against the
40:26law it's
40:27actually
40:27interrupting the
40:28song trying to
40:29disparage the
40:30song in any
40:30which way as
40:31far as I read
40:31the legal
40:32amendment that
40:33was passed in
40:33parliament
40:34recently
40:34the BJP claims
40:35the BJP claims
40:37Sonia Gandhi
40:38apparently said
40:39words to the
40:39effect stop
40:40stop or
40:42certain hand
40:43gestures
40:43Gaurav let me
40:44just say one
40:45thing the
40:46congress has
40:46made a
40:47clarification the
40:48entire song was
40:48sung this was in
40:50the congress
40:50headquarters if the
40:51congress wanted
40:52to stop short of
40:53the entire song
40:54being sung it
40:55could have it
40:56didn't it
40:56immediately offered
40:57a clarification
40:58when this
40:58controversy was
40:59raised saying
41:00what Mrs. Gandhi
41:01was saying and
41:02Mrs. Gandhi asked
41:03for a chair for
41:04an 85 year old
41:06man who had
41:06been standing
41:07in the middle
41:08and I find it
41:09so so insensitive
41:11so insensitive
41:14that Charu Pragya
41:15do not interrupt
41:15me I will
41:16interrupt you
41:16when you talk
41:17if you interrupt
41:18me I will
41:19talk over you
41:19non-stop I guarantee
41:20Charu Pragya can I
41:23request you to
41:23wait till Mr.
41:24Kumar Mangalam
41:25completes his
41:25point go on
41:26sir let me finish
41:27my point I am
41:28saying it with
41:29all humility that
41:30there is nothing
41:31more Indian than
41:32helping an elderly
41:34person even when
41:35they are denying
41:36that help knowing
41:37that they are in
41:38pain having stood
41:38for so long to
41:40take that and let
41:41me also just say
41:42that the BJP for
41:43the last multiple
41:44decades has been
41:45doing their best to
41:46target Mrs. Gandhi
41:47and accuse her of
41:48being unpatriotic
41:49referring to her
41:51origins etc and
41:52every single time
41:53the people have
41:54shown them the
41:54door so it is at
41:56their own peril that
41:57they try and
41:58manufacture a
41:58controversy around
41:59so you are
41:59saying she did
42:00not say stop
42:01stop to the
42:02singing of
42:02Andai Mataram
42:03and you will
42:04get more
42:04information on
42:05Goa but Dr.
42:07Vikram Singh if
42:07only two stanzas
42:08have been sung as
42:09reports seem to
42:10indicate would that
42:11be a violation of
42:12the law
42:15avoiding by the
42:15rule of law
42:16Gaurav ji is not
42:17a matter of choice
42:18it's a compulsion
42:19and obligatory on
42:20all of us and
42:21in these matters
42:22you please understand
42:22that this is akin
42:24to a parade a
42:24very solemn
42:25national event it
42:26should be duly
42:27rehearsed like
42:28every parade is
42:29and cater to
42:30every contingency
42:31and emergency
42:32where you
42:32I mean sleepwalking
42:33or something
42:34that they did
42:34not cater for
42:35the chair
42:36for Mr. Khadge
42:37who is 85
42:37years old
42:38you should have
42:38done that
42:38and during
42:40every parade
42:40there is a
42:41party known as
42:41stretcher parade
42:42that if somebody
42:43falls down
42:43trains he is
42:44picked up by
42:45the stretcher parade
42:45and moved for
42:46first aid given
42:47them
42:47Sir give me a
42:49moment I have
42:49breaking news
42:49that's coming in
42:50from Jharkhand
42:51and I want to
42:52quickly cut across
42:53to this
42:54pressure is
42:54mounting on
42:56Chief Minister
42:57Hemant Sorain
42:57and on his
42:58government
42:58students intensify
43:01their agitation
43:01over their
43:03unfulfilled demands
43:04the protesters
43:05have announced
43:05a plan to
43:06gharaw the
43:07Chief Minister's
43:08residence on
43:09the 20th of
43:10August if the
43:10demands are not
43:12met
43:12information that's
43:13coming in
43:13students have
43:14stepped up their
43:15campaign
43:16on Sunday they
43:17burnt effigies
43:18of the Chief
43:18Minister
43:19leader of
43:20opposition in
43:20Lok Sabha
43:21Rahul Gandhi
43:21and RJD
43:22leader Tejas
43:23Svi Yadav
43:24this was on
43:25Sunday saying
43:26that the Grand
43:26Alliance had
43:27actually failed to
43:29take concrete
43:29action today the
43:31government invited a
43:32delegation of
43:33students for talks
43:34information that's
43:36coming in the
43:37delegation has been
43:39kept waiting and
43:41they haven't been
43:42able to meet the
43:43Chief Minister or
43:44ministers in the
43:46government the
43:47Chief Minister we
43:48are told is holding a
43:49meeting with his
43:49cabinet colleagues
43:50inside Project
43:51Bhawan his
43:52security has
43:54significantly been
43:55stepped up outside
43:56Mantralai and this
43:57security as the
44:00cabinet meeting
44:00continues now that's
44:02fueled speculation
44:02that the government
44:03could be preparing a
44:05major decision on
44:06this subject is
44:08Jharkhand heading for
44:10a solution or will
44:12the crisis continue
44:13we'll track that
44:14story it's a big
44:15crackdown on
44:16Pakistan's notorious
44:17counterintelligence
44:18agency ISI's
44:19sleeper cells in
44:21India nationwide
44:22raids arrests
44:23across 14 states
44:25200 people have
44:26already been taken
44:27into custody the
44:28searches and raids
44:29continue 500 plus
44:31mobile phones and
44:32devices under the
44:34scanner even as we
44:35speak Union Home
44:36Minister Amit Shah
44:37he's announced India
44:39has dismantled the
44:40Park ISI backed
44:42Shahzad Bhatti
44:43terror network ahead
44:45of Independence Day
44:46and foiled
44:47plans to carry out
44:49terror strikes in
44:50India the Home
44:51Minister said more
44:52than 200 suspected
44:53operators of the
44:54Shahzad Bhatti network
44:56have been taken into
44:57custody these were
44:58coordinated operations
44:59and multi-state
45:00coordinated operations
45:01coordinated by the
45:02Ministry of Home
45:03Affairs these were
45:04conducted across 14
45:05states the arrest the
45:07crackdown was launched
45:08on the 12th of August
45:09agencies made major
45:12recoveries so can you
45:13imagine the Home
45:14Ministry coordinating
45:15multiple state police
45:16forces central armed
45:17police forces backing
45:18them they carried out
45:19top secret searches and
45:22raids in various parts
45:23of the country they've
45:24recovered improvised
45:25explosive devices they've
45:26recovered grenades and
45:28these grenades have
45:28markings of POF or
45:30Pakistan Ordnance
45:31Factory pistols live
45:33ammunition and equipment
45:35apparently used for
45:37espionage including CCTV
45:38cameras with mobile phone
45:40chips now these CCTV
45:42cameras were installed
45:43near certain VA and
45:45VPs vital assets and
45:46vital points including
45:47crucial railway lines and
45:49stations where military
45:51trains were carrying
45:52equipment or military
45:54convoys were passing and
45:56they not only recorded the
45:58CCTV cameras recorded the
46:00military movement but also
46:02relayed those images real
46:03time across the border
46:04India today has learned
46:06that the pro agencies have
46:07now identified more than
46:08500 suspicious mobile
46:10numbers and data cards
46:11linked to this
46:12investigation more than
46:14200 suspects have been
46:15taken into custody they've
46:16been questioned across
46:17states the investigation
46:18seems to indicate a
46:20social media based
46:22recruitment pipeline Indian
46:25youth were targeted then
46:27radicalized and brought
46:28directly in contact with
46:30handlers in Pakistan sources
46:33say a certain Abid Jutt and
46:36Ajmal Gujar were ISI linked
46:39handlers who recruited
46:40youngsters online and then
46:42put them in touch with
46:44Shahzad Bhatti after
46:46initially radicalizing them
46:47Shahzad Bhatti apparently
46:49did the rest the recruits
46:51were then offered money for
46:53terror related tasks when
46:55they once they carried out
46:56the task they were then in
46:58the clutches of these ISI
47:00handlers because they said
47:02if you don't continue to
47:03help us we will give your
47:04information to the police
47:05and you and your families
47:07would be sorted out so they
47:08carried out reconnaissance
47:10they carried out weapons
47:11smuggling and they were
47:13being prepared to carry out a
47:14series of joint coordinated
47:17terror attacks across the
47:19country I want to quickly
47:20bring in India today's
47:21Arvind Oja Arvind
47:2314 Raja
47:25200
47:25سے زیادہ
47:26گرفتاریاں
47:27کتنا بڑا تھا یہ
47:28network اور کیا پورا
47:29network
47:30اب دھست کر دیا
47:31گیا ہے
47:31یا ابھی بھی
47:32کام جاری ہے
47:33دیکھیں ابھی بھی
47:34جو operations ہے
47:36وہ لگاتار
47:36جاری ہے
47:3714 state میں یہ
47:38rates ہوئی تھی
47:3912
47:39August سے 14
47:41August تک
47:41غورو
47:42حال فلحال میں
47:43جو سہجاد
47:44بھٹی
47:45ISI
47:45module ہے
47:46اس نے کچھ
47:47terror
47:47activity کو
47:48انڈیا میں
47:48انجام دیا
47:49تھا
47:49خاص طور سے
47:50جلندر میں
47:51BSF کے
47:52office کے
47:53باہر
47:53ID blast
47:53اور
47:54رانچی میں
47:55RSS کے
47:56دفتر پر
47:57petrol
47:57bum
47:58فکا گیا
47:58تھا
47:58اس کے علاوہ
47:59پنجاب میں
48:00کچھ
48:00پولیس کرمیوں
48:00کی
48:01target
48:01killing
48:01کی
48:02واردات
48:02کو
48:02انجام
48:03دلوائے
48:03گیا تھا
48:04جب یہ
48:04سارے
48:04incident
48:05کو
48:06compile
48:06کیا گیا
48:07اس کے
48:07بعد
48:07پھر
48:08central
48:08agents
48:08نے
48:09پین
48:10انڈیا
48:10operation
48:11چلایا
48:11جس میں
48:1212
48:12اگست
48:13سے 14
48:13اگست
48:13تک
48:14ڈلی
48:14مہاراشترا
48:14پنجاب
48:15اتر
48:15پردیس
48:16مد
48:16پردیس
48:16جھارکھن
48:17تیلنگانہ
48:18ان
48:18state
48:19میں
48:19یہ
48:19rates
48:20ہوئی
48:20ہے
48:20اور
48:20اس کے
48:21بعد
48:21ان کو
48:21arrest
48:22کیا گیا
48:22ہے
48:22ڈی
48:23سمیت
48:24explosive
48:25material
48:25ہے
48:25وہ
48:26recover
48:26ہوا ہے
48:27اور
48:27social
48:27میڈیا
48:28کے
48:28جریعے
48:28سہجاد
48:29بھٹی
48:29لڑکوں
48:30کو
48:30recruit
48:31کرتا
48:31ہے
48:31پریشانی
48:32کی
48:32بات
48:33ایجنسیوں
48:33کیلئے
48:33تھی
48:34کہ
48:3420
48:34سے
48:3525
48:35ہزار
48:35میں
48:36کوئی
48:36بھی
48:36لڑکا
48:37وہ
48:38پیٹرول
48:38بم
48:39یا
48:48سوٹ
48:48ڈی
48:49ڈی
48:50ڈی
48:50ڈی
48:50ڈی
48:51ڈی
48:51ڈی
49:00ڈی
49:01It could be assault rifles being used against civilians or VAVPs tomorrow.
49:07Good evening, once again, Gaurav Ji.
49:09This is a shift in policy and strategy of the ISI.
49:13They have used a social media influencer, that is Shahzad Bhatti.
49:17And you would see, apart from Molotov cocktails,
49:20they also have sophisticated weapons like pistols, IEDs,
49:24having Pakistan or those factory markings, large number of cartridges,
49:27as also the large, they have been successful in creating at least 200 recruits using 500 SIM cards.
49:35That is a cause of concern.
49:36And the change in technology is standalone use of CCTVs on sensitive railway stations,
49:41starting from Ambala right up to New Delhi and other places going up to Kashmir.
49:46And the amount of investment is minimal, 2,000 rupees to 8,000 rupees, not even 10,000 rupees.
49:52So the large database, large people were first radicalized, then subjected to blackmail,
49:57and they become an active participant and willing accessories to the designs of the ISI
50:02through a social media handler.
50:04Social media influencer is for the first time that has been used by the ISI.
50:10Sir, stay with me.
50:11Arvind, these 200 people who have taken care of,
50:14are there any knowledge that has left now?
50:17Are there any knowledge that has been passed in law?
50:19Who are these people who can be radicalized so easily?
50:24Look, this is a young, youngster who are active in social media and mostly gangsters are inspired by them.
50:33And the people who are, are there any knowledge that has gone through any of the issues based on the
50:42issue of the ISI.
50:44foreign
50:44the handler is the social media and when a girl comes to contact her, then the brainwashed
50:50her, and after that, she contacted her with her. She was able to work on task basing.
50:57If she was talking about the RSS office, then the two girls were buried.
51:03After that, she contacted her with her, gave her some money, and after that, she went
51:10has no blasted as well in Punjab.
51:14The other part of the BSF office had also been recruited in the social media.
51:21They mostly do not work.
51:24They are active in social media.
51:25They are targeted on the issue of guns.
51:31The whole ISI is the whole module, the call centre,
51:36he recruits such as people in social media,
51:40and then the task can be done.
51:41ISI's own call centre.
51:44Lashkar Hetaiva, Jaishem Mohamad, Hizmul Mujahideen,
51:47as well as Atenki Sangatran, ISI's own call centre.
51:51But I want to bring in Dr. Vikram Singh once again.
51:55Dr. Singh, how difficult is it, one, to identify such a call centre,
52:01two, the people they are in touch with,
52:02and three, these youngsters who are, you know, so frequently on social media,
52:09data is cheap, but then it's also being used to recruit sleeper cells, modules,
52:15God forbid future terrorists, how easy is it to radicalise them?
52:19Gaurav ji, you have put a very right question,
52:22that it is extremely, extremely difficult to get hold of them,
52:25but not insurmountable.
52:27Our technology and technical prowess is such that it is easy to identify,
52:31not easy, I would say, you have to work overtime,
52:35beyond office hours and 24 by 7, to get hold of the links and the keywords,
52:40as also, I would not disclose everything in the arsenal,
52:44but yes, you have to work, I mean, use the technology like machine learning,
52:48AI and other tools that you have, and go also to have your social media patrolling.
52:53Multiple tools, multiple directions, multiple agencies,
52:56and what you have is a result, something as spectacular as this.
52:59But yes, it is very difficult, but not insurmountable.
53:03And look at the arrests that are taking place, it's also almost pan India,
53:0744 detained in Punjab, 15 in Rajasthan, in Telangana, in Karnataka, in Maharashtra,
53:138 detained in Delhi, Haryana, Uttarakhand, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar,
53:173 in Karnataka, Gujarat, Telangana, Himachal, JNK in Kerala,
53:22two each,
53:23one,
53:25one,
53:28two,
53:29one,
53:30one,
53:30three,
53:33two,
53:35three,
54:04Thank you very much.
54:07Keep tracking that story, Arvind.
54:08I will come back to you four more.
54:10These operations continue.
54:11200 have been arrested.
54:13250 have been detained for questioning.
54:1650 others have been picked up for questioning, not arrested yet.
54:20And there are 500 data cards and mobile numbers that are under the scanner.
54:24We'll be tracking the story very closely.
54:26Dr. Vikram Singh and Arvind, many thanks for joining me.
54:28That is all I have for you on this special edition of India.
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