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00:01:05It's the final chapter, and time for our prince to choose his happy ever after.
00:01:10I'm looking at this woman, and I want to tell her that I love her.
00:01:16Um...
00:01:17The Bachelor finale, Friday at 8 on ITVB.
00:01:25Emmerdale continues tonight at 7 and again at 8 here on ITV, and Chrissy's out for revenge.
00:01:32Now that we sort things out, with Jeremy Kyle.
00:01:44The Jeremy Kyle Show, sponsored by FoxyBingo.com.
00:01:49On today's show, you were abused.
00:01:52Yeah.
00:01:53You tell your mother that you're being abused by somebody, and they don't believe you.
00:01:57One time.
00:01:58I'm...
00:01:59Emma!
00:02:02I don't want nothing more to do with you.
00:02:04Okay, okay.
00:02:04As far as I'm concerned, you're dead.
00:02:06Yeah?
00:02:07Oh, boy!
00:02:08Oh, boy!
00:02:09Who do you think you are?
00:02:10I play your rules, sweetheart.
00:02:12I play your mum.
00:02:14Not you.
00:02:15I'm everything among the children.
00:02:18She left your house.
00:02:19Yeah?
00:02:19She said you're a nightmare.
00:02:21No!
00:02:22No!
00:02:22No!
00:02:23I've tried time and time again to help you and help you and help you.
00:02:29Do you smoke drugs around your child?
00:02:30Does your wife smoke drugs?
00:02:32Erm, yeah.
00:02:32Stacey smoked drugs.
00:02:33Around the child.
00:02:34No, no.
00:02:35I've never...
00:02:35Lila!
00:02:36Lila!
00:02:37Why would?
00:02:38Have I still got my baby to this day?
00:02:41Alright, Lila!
00:02:42I've got no idea if you're smoking drugs around your child.
00:02:45You shouldn't have in the first place, should ya?
00:02:49Oh, woe is me, me.
00:03:04Good morning.
00:03:10Thank you, my friends.
00:03:13Good morning.
00:03:13It was ever a big, big welcome to the show.
00:03:15My first guest today, Sammy Lee, is here.
00:03:17As she is desperate for answers from her mother, Val,
00:03:19whom she describes, quite simply, as the world's worst mum.
00:03:23She says that Val used to attack her as a child
00:03:25and put her into care at the age of 12 with absolutely no explanation.
00:03:29Now, Sammy Lee claims she's tried to reconnect with her mother as an adult
00:03:31but has always faced rejection
00:03:33and was even kicked out of the family home again last year.
00:03:36She says that unless Val admits her mistakes today
00:03:39and gives her the answer she craves,
00:03:41she will have finally no choice but to disown this woman for good.
00:03:44This lady for a brave big day for us, Sammy Lee, on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
00:03:48That way.
00:03:53How are you doing?
00:03:57I'm alright.
00:03:58I have to tell you, when I read this today...
00:04:00Yeah.
00:04:01And I know you're nervous, and I know it's...
00:04:03Anybody can see it.
00:04:05People throw out phrases when they come on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
00:04:09He was violent.
00:04:10She's an alcoholic.
00:04:11She was the world's worst mother.
00:04:14She wasn't great, was she?
00:04:15No.
00:04:16Um...
00:04:17Um...
00:04:17You're 24.
00:04:19Yeah.
00:04:19Your mum, Val, is 55.
00:04:21She's here today.
00:04:22Let's take it back.
00:04:22First memories as a child.
00:04:24First inclination that things weren't perhaps as they should be.
00:04:29It...
00:04:29Nah.
00:04:29As loud as you can.
00:04:31I don't even know where to start, cos...
00:04:33It all started, um...
00:04:36When...
00:04:37I told her I was being abused, and she didn't believe me.
00:04:42How old were you?
00:04:43I was nine.
00:04:45And she just pushed it off.
00:04:45Now, we have to be...
00:04:46Pushed it off.
00:04:46I'm just gonna do this, because it's important that we do.
00:04:50Um...
00:04:51You were abused...
00:04:53Yeah.
00:04:53...from the age of six...
00:04:54Yeah.
00:04:55...to the age of 16.
00:04:56Yeah.
00:04:57This was not a family member.
00:04:59No.
00:05:01Um...
00:05:01Anybody watching this...
00:05:03And I know how nervous you are.
00:05:04I can see it.
00:05:05Would...
00:05:06Understand...
00:05:07What you must be feeling right now.
00:05:09But just imagine one thing.
00:05:10You tell your mother...
00:05:12That you're being abused by somebody.
00:05:15And they don't believe you.
00:05:16It's nice, isn't it?
00:05:18Why didn't she believe you?
00:05:19I don't know.
00:05:22I...
00:05:23I...
00:05:23I...
00:05:24Well, you're showing your colours quite early, love.
00:05:25Why don't you shut your mouth until I invite you to speak?
00:05:33Look at me.
00:05:34Look at me.
00:05:36Anybody with a brain cell would admire the fact that you're here.
00:05:39You have nothing to look at the floor about.
00:05:40You can look at me.
00:05:41Because I'm on your side.
00:05:43Trust me.
00:05:44You say that she never loved you.
00:05:46She didn't believe you.
00:05:47Yeah.
00:05:47I...
00:05:48Growing up as a child, I've never felt loved by her.
00:05:52You know, I've always felt rejection.
00:05:54She would beat you.
00:05:55Yeah.
00:05:56Plenty of times.
00:05:57She used to pull me in.
00:05:58Slap me across my face.
00:06:00I woke up one time.
00:06:01To her.
00:06:02She came back.
00:06:03Sorry for swearing.
00:06:04But she walked out of her head.
00:06:06And she had her hands around my throat.
00:06:07And it took my oldest brother to get her off me.
00:06:11She nearly killed me that night.
00:06:12Did she ever tell you that she loved you?
00:06:14Nah.
00:06:14She's never told me that.
00:06:15Never.
00:06:15Never.
00:06:16Never hear them words.
00:06:17So you tell your mother this devastating news.
00:06:19She doesn't believe you.
00:06:20She's particularly horrible to you.
00:06:21And then at 12, she waves you off to care.
00:06:24Yeah.
00:06:25Without a backward glance.
00:06:27No.
00:06:27Them social workers came for me.
00:06:29And, you know...
00:06:31What was that like that day?
00:06:32It was horrible.
00:06:33I still remember.
00:06:34I still picture it.
00:06:35I still sometimes think about it.
00:06:37In care.
00:06:37Did she visit you?
00:06:38Only a few times.
00:06:40Unless social services were paying for it.
00:06:42She didn't visit me.
00:06:43And the majority of the time, I was only literally...
00:06:46In fact, there was one time.
00:06:47You're lying!
00:06:50Yes, you are!
00:06:51Yes, you are!
00:06:52Yes, you are!
00:06:52Get to my teeth!
00:06:53Are you dumb?
00:06:55What?
00:06:55Yes!
00:06:56I am your God!
00:06:59I am your God!
00:07:01Get them out of here!
00:07:03I'm telling you, all right?
00:07:05Get there and be quiet!
00:07:08Do me a favour.
00:07:10Shut it, lady.
00:07:12Tell me about your 13th birthday.
00:07:15Oh!
00:07:16Erm...
00:07:17The children are my woman that time.
00:07:18Look at me.
00:07:19Don't look at the floor.
00:07:20You don't have to look at the floor anymore.
00:07:21Look at me.
00:07:22They had a party for me.
00:07:24And I phoned my mum.
00:07:26And I begged her and begged her to bring my brothers and sisters to my party.
00:07:30And she wouldn't.
00:07:31She said, no.
00:07:32She didn't send me no birthday cards.
00:07:34She didn't get me no presents.
00:07:35She didn't get me no presents.
00:07:35Quite interestingly, you told my team.
00:07:38I absolutely have accepted responsibility for the things that I did wrong.
00:07:42I was a rebel.
00:07:43I went off the rails.
00:07:44I guess people would understand.
00:07:46But what you're saying is you always felt like the outsider.
00:07:50She didn't show you love.
00:07:51She didn't guide you.
00:07:53She didn't give you what most people in this room and at home would assume is pretty natural.
00:07:59Nah.
00:08:00I'm not being funny though.
00:08:02She should have been sterilized at birth.
00:08:03Why would you even try and reconnect with somebody who can be...
00:08:06I don't even think it's funny for the people that have just sniggered.
00:08:09Why would a...
00:08:10Why would you even be here trying to reconnect with a woman who's just on national television
00:08:16called you the worst name ever?
00:08:18I don't...
00:08:18I don't want any sort of relationship with her.
00:08:21I want answers.
00:08:22I want to know why...
00:08:23What if you never get those answers?
00:08:25Well...
00:08:25But you see interestingly, right?
00:08:28And I'll be interested in the audience's reaction.
00:08:30Naturally this woman's going to come out and she's going to say you were a nightmare
00:08:33child.
00:08:33You were a devil child.
00:08:34You were jealous of all your siblings.
00:08:35You created hell in the house.
00:08:37You've been nothing but a pain in the backside.
00:08:39She hasn't washed her hands of you.
00:08:40You've thrown everything back in her face.
00:08:42Interestingly you look at her reaction.
00:08:43Do me a favour today.
00:08:44Look at me.
00:08:45You ain't alone on this.
00:08:46You do not have to look at the floor.
00:08:48Right?
00:08:48Yeah.
00:08:49And just remember one word.
00:08:51Something that she wouldn't know how to spell.
00:08:52Dignity.
00:08:53That's apparently a mother.
00:08:54You can clap if you want.
00:08:56But Val's on the Jeremy Carl show.
00:08:59Dignity.
00:09:07Dignity.
00:09:08Dignity.
00:09:08Dignity.
00:09:10Dignity.
00:09:11Dignity.
00:09:12Dignity.
00:09:13Dignity.
00:09:13Hello Jeremy.
00:09:14Dignity.
00:09:15Dignity.
00:09:15Disgusting language.
00:09:16Finish what you started then.
00:09:17Gobby.
00:09:17I thought you were giving it large.
00:09:18Mother of the year.
00:09:19Go on.
00:09:20No.
00:09:20You know.
00:09:20The reason she was put into care.
00:09:22Because she went off the rails.
00:09:24Yeah.
00:09:25You told my team.
00:09:25She started Sammy Lee causing troubles.
00:09:28When she went off the rails at 12 years of age.
00:09:30Yes she did.
00:09:31She played truant from school.
00:09:33Yes she did.
00:09:33And something had to be done.
00:09:34Yes she did.
00:09:34Can I make a suggestion.
00:09:36For all the women who have dealt with difficult children.
00:09:39Watching this program.
00:09:40Why do women and people like you.
00:09:42Think it's alright to abdicate this responsibility.
00:09:44And give it to somebody else.
00:09:45Why didn't you.
00:09:46Put up with it.
00:09:47And bring her up yourself.
00:09:48I tried.
00:09:49I tried.
00:09:50Where are you.
00:09:51She had to go into care.
00:09:53Because.
00:09:54Listen.
00:09:55She had to be put into care.
00:09:57Because.
00:09:58She.
00:09:58Was a threat.
00:09:59To her brothers and sisters.
00:10:00Maybe she just wanted her mother's love.
00:10:03And she tried.
00:10:03Just let me speak.
00:10:04Maybe she wanted her mother's love.
00:10:06I tried.
00:10:06When a child comes to you and says they're being sexually abused.
00:10:09What did she do about it?
00:10:10I didn't know nothing about it.
00:10:11I didn't tell you.
00:10:12No I did not.
00:10:14You did not tell me.
00:10:15You did not tell me.
00:10:15You came to live with me.
00:10:18You did not tell me.
00:10:18You came to live with me.
00:10:19Yeah.
00:10:20Till I came to live with you.
00:10:21Yeah.
00:10:22What age did you tell your mother you were sexually abused?
00:10:24First nine.
00:10:25Nine year old or her.
00:10:26No you did not.
00:10:28Nine years of age.
00:10:29She did not say nothing to me.
00:10:31Sure it wasn't easier to sweep it under the carpet.
00:10:32She didn't say nothing.
00:10:33Sure you weren't drunk and you didn't take it seriously.
00:10:36No.
00:10:36What about when she woke up and your hands were on her neck.
00:10:38That's a lie.
00:10:39That is not.
00:10:40Okay it's all a lie.
00:10:40Shut up.
00:10:41I'm talking.
00:10:42Why should.
00:10:43Oi.
00:10:43Why should she shut up?
00:10:46Why should she shut up?
00:10:47Because.
00:10:47Why don't you accept that you were a useless mother who's basically messed her life up?
00:10:52No I wasn't a useless mother.
00:10:52How many people in this audience believe this girl?
00:10:56And how many people believe this?
00:11:00So it's me is it?
00:11:01No.
00:11:02How many times did she go and visit her in care?
00:11:04Come on.
00:11:05Shh shh shh shh shh.
00:11:06Don't give.
00:11:08In my conversation.
00:11:09How many times did she go?
00:11:09Only a few times.
00:11:10How many times?
00:11:11Come on.
00:11:12Five, ten.
00:11:13How many times did she, how many years was she in care?
00:11:16Right from the age of twelve.
00:11:17To what?
00:11:19Till she was seventeen.
00:11:21And how many times did she go and visit her in five years?
00:11:25Eighteen hundred and thirty days.
00:11:26No.
00:11:26Come on love.
00:11:27How many times did she go and visit her?
00:11:28How many cards did you send?
00:11:29How many presents did you send?
00:11:31I used to take her birthday cards and I took her presents.
00:11:35And I don't want nothing more to do with you.
00:11:38Okay.
00:11:38Okay.
00:11:38As far as I'm concerned, you're dead.
00:11:40Yeah.
00:11:40Well done.
00:11:42Good boy.
00:11:42Good boy.
00:11:43See you later, everyone.
00:11:45Scumba.
00:11:47Who are you?
00:11:48Kirsty.
00:11:49I want a mum.
00:11:50Mummies.
00:11:51That doesn't help me out, but there you go.
00:11:52Right.
00:11:53Who do you think you were?
00:11:55I play your role sweetheart.
00:11:57I play her mum.
00:11:58Not you.
00:11:59I'm everything a mother's children.
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00:12:02Don't go anywhere.
00:12:03Why'd you call your daughter a prostitute?
00:12:05Oh, I'm a prostitute?
00:12:06Yes.
00:12:07You're disgusting.
00:12:08I don't want nothing to do.
00:12:10Sorry, Jeremy.
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00:12:13I don't care.
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00:17:09Welcome back.
00:17:10So, who are you?
00:17:11I'm drunk.
00:17:11Hold on a second.
00:17:12Who are you?
00:17:13No, I'm not drunk.
00:17:13What are you just saying on national television?
00:17:15Your daughter's dead to you.
00:17:17What do you think that is?
00:17:17Do you think that's good?
00:17:19She is dead to me.
00:17:20You're disgusting.
00:17:21I don't even sorry, Jeremy.
00:17:24That's your daughter.
00:17:25I don't care.
00:17:26She told you she was abused.
00:17:27You're a friend.
00:17:28Well, just tell me your relationship with her.
00:17:29Oh, I play Sammy's mum.
00:17:31How long have you known her?
00:17:32I play Sammy's mum.
00:17:33Four years.
00:17:34Yeah, four years now.
00:17:35She's telling the truth?
00:17:35Yeah.
00:17:36I've read Sammy's social reports, so she can't deny that.
00:17:39What do they say?
00:17:40They say that she was abused as a child.
00:17:43Her mother didn't care about her.
00:17:44Her mother gave her up.
00:17:46And that she's the way that she is.
00:17:47Why are you running?
00:17:48Because you don't like the truth?
00:17:49Why are you running anyway?
00:17:50She's a liar.
00:17:50I don't think she's a liar at all.
00:17:52Yes, she is.
00:17:52I think the fact that you've...
00:17:53Well, then get on that stage and argue your points instead of running off like somebody
00:17:56or...
00:17:57No, no, I'm...
00:17:57Oh, you're running, are you?
00:17:58I'm done.
00:17:59Well, watch this.
00:18:00You're done.
00:18:01I'm done.
00:18:02That was ten minutes of you being a mother.
00:18:03What are you going to do?
00:18:04Give her to somebody else to look after again?
00:18:06No, she won't.
00:18:06Why do you call your daughter a prostitute?
00:18:09Oh, I'm a prostitute?
00:18:10Yes.
00:18:11Because Chrissy has got...
00:18:13done a statement and it's all on me.
00:18:15Oh, yeah.
00:18:16I'll do this.
00:18:17This is...
00:18:17I'll tell you what, instead of running, come with me.
00:18:19Come with me.
00:18:20Yeah, because I think this is really interesting.
00:18:21Come here.
00:18:21Yeah.
00:18:22Get me some chairs.
00:18:22Come here.
00:18:23I'll tell you how interesting this is, shall I?
00:18:25Oh, yeah.
00:18:25The silent twins, Ashley and Chrissy.
00:18:28Is that right?
00:18:29Yes, that's right.
00:18:30A couple of quick questions before I read their statements.
00:18:33Why didn't they go into care?
00:18:36Because they were good kids.
00:18:38Oh, right.
00:18:39So they say, my sister Sammy, says Ashley, is the only sibling I don't get along with.
00:18:43She was abusive to me as a child and used to lash out all the time.
00:18:46I'm not surprised.
00:18:46I just added that.
00:18:47When I came out as gay, she didn't approve of my lifestyle.
00:18:50That was a hard time for me.
00:18:51She made things worse.
00:18:52As far as I'm concerned, until she sorts her life out, stops the lies and starts becoming more accepting,
00:18:56I don't want anything to do with her.
00:18:57No mention of you.
00:18:58And interestingly, why isn't Ashley here?
00:19:01The only people who are supporting you aren't damn well here.
00:19:04Isn't that interesting?
00:19:05And Chrissy, is that right, your sister?
00:19:06Yeah.
00:19:06Sammy Lee used to be a prostitute.
00:19:08She was chatting men up on my computer and asking them to come round to pay for sex.
00:19:11I've since banned her from my house.
00:19:13My mum isn't perfect.
00:19:14She made a load of mistakes, but she's tried hard to keep Sammy on the right track.
00:19:18I don't have anything to do with her anymore, and I don't want her back in my life.
00:19:21So these two are perfect, are they?
00:19:23Yeah.
00:19:24They're perfect, are they?
00:19:25Yeah.
00:19:26Are you perfect?
00:19:27Because your daughter said you made mistakes.
00:19:29So we'll try a different tack, shall we?
00:19:30Super mum.
00:19:31What mistakes did you make?
00:19:33Come on.
00:19:34I used to drink.
00:19:35How did you?
00:19:35Did you ever beat your daughter?
00:19:37No.
00:19:37How much?
00:19:39Quite a bit.
00:19:40Oh, did you?
00:19:40So you're an alcoholic?
00:19:41No, not at all.
00:19:42So how would you know if you drank a lot?
00:19:44Not at all.
00:19:45Any chance that if you drank one night so much, you did something to your kid that you don't
00:19:49remember because you drank too much?
00:19:50I don't drink anymore.
00:19:51What about the night she told you she was being sexually abused by a person that wasn't
00:19:54a family member?
00:19:55She didn't say nothing to me.
00:19:56You're not a mother.
00:19:57You're a selfish, self-centred failure of a parent.
00:20:00And that child is living proof of how a kid can be messed up.
00:20:04She's had some hard times, but she's got a genuinely nice person who doesn't need to
00:20:08look out for her and does.
00:20:09And do you not think that should be you?
00:20:11But no, no, no.
00:20:11Because it's too hard for you, isn't it?
00:20:13Because you were too busy getting drunk and playing God with your kids' lives.
00:20:17And do you know why she's smiling?
00:20:18Because nobody's ever spoken to you like this.
00:20:20Because somebody should have done it about 25 years ago.
00:20:22Because you know what's wrong, society?
00:20:23It's people like you are allowed to have kids.
00:20:25It's wrong.
00:20:30I have been here.
00:20:32How old are you?
00:20:34I have been on this stage for 10 years and this kid's been trying to drag your sorry backside
00:20:39here for eight years.
00:20:40Why haven't you come in the last eight years?
00:20:42Scared of the truth?
00:20:43Because I didn't want to come on here.
00:20:45Really?
00:20:45Why is that?
00:20:46Too busy working?
00:20:47No.
00:20:48I'm trying to get a job, but I can't.
00:20:50How old are you?
00:20:5055.
00:20:51Well, I hope you succeed at some point because you failed as a parent.
00:20:54Eight years for her to get you on here.
00:20:56And I thought, right, I'm coming on here.
00:20:57I'm going to do it.
00:20:58All she wants is answers from you.
00:20:59And your response is, you're dead.
00:21:01Why did you come if that's what you think of your kid?
00:21:04Because I don't want nothing more to do with her.
00:21:06I'm happy.
00:21:06Can you buy that?
00:21:07You're happy.
00:21:08It's all about you, is it?
00:21:09No, I'm happy now.
00:21:10She's right.
00:21:11People are like, you shouldn't be allowed to have children.
00:21:13I'm happy now.
00:21:13I'm getting on now.
00:21:14Oh, you're happy.
00:21:15So everybody's happy.
00:21:16Why are you happy?
00:21:17I just don't want nothing to do with her.
00:21:19Kirstie, talk to me about this girl and the difficulties that she's had.
00:21:22She has a really, really hard life.
00:21:25Are you a decent mum?
00:21:26I am, yeah.
00:21:27But I'm not perfect.
00:21:28Nobody is.
00:21:29Do you feel sorry for this girl?
00:21:30Yeah.
00:21:31I find myself in a position I've been in before, but maybe I'm getting softer at my
00:21:36old age.
00:21:37I said it this morning.
00:21:37I said it before.
00:21:39Surely a lot of what we are is what we see and what we learn.
00:21:42I believe she was sexually abused.
00:21:44I believe that you passed the buck very quickly by putting into care.
00:21:48I don't believe you went to visit her and I believe that you are an absolute living
00:21:52example of somebody who is responsible for what happened to this girl and all you do
00:21:56to hide your guilt is shout and scream and swear and just say to her, get out my life.
00:22:02Do you know what I'm going to do?
00:22:03I'm going to make sure that every resource of this show supports Kirstie and her so that
00:22:08she can get her life back on track because if she had to rely on something like you,
00:22:12she'll get nowhere, will she?
00:22:13Yeah.
00:22:14Can I give you some advice?
00:22:15Yeah.
00:22:16I think, never been in the position myself, but I think sometimes people chase answers
00:22:19and they put their own life on hold.
00:22:21Yeah.
00:22:22By anybody's standards you've had a terrible time and by anybody's standards I respect
00:22:25you for sitting much as this audience do, but let me tell you something.
00:22:28Don't waste any more energy chasing that because you'll never get answers.
00:22:32And I'll tell you something else I want to say with her help as well because she'll be
00:22:35brilliant for you.
00:22:36Yeah.
00:22:37Don't use what happened to you as an excuse to do what that did.
00:22:40Yeah, I wouldn't dare.
00:22:41Turn it on its head and make something of your life.
00:22:44And when you do, you'll be a success.
00:22:46Yeah.
00:22:46I really appreciate you coming on.
00:22:48It's alright.
00:22:48You okay?
00:22:49Yeah, I'm fine.
00:22:50You alright?
00:22:50Yeah.
00:22:51How good was she, ladies and gentlemen?
00:22:52Do you want to go?
00:22:52Give them a round of applause.
00:22:58Unbelievable.
00:22:58How do people like that ever get kids?
00:23:00I hope that girl with our help can turn her life around.
00:23:03She deserves it.
00:23:03Good luck to her.
00:23:04We'll keep you updated.
00:23:04Let's continue with my next guest today, Chelsea, who's here to prove to her partner, Chris,
00:23:08that she's not cheated by taking a lie detector test.
00:23:10But check this.
00:23:11She's already taken and passed two private lie detector tests in the past few months.
00:23:15And that apparently isn't enough for him.
00:23:16She says this is the third and final time she'll take one.
00:23:19She wants the accusations to stop or else she says,
00:23:22I'll take my daughter and I will walk away because I am sick to death of you disbelieving me.
00:23:27Chelsea is on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
00:23:29That way.
00:23:34Thank you for coming on.
00:23:37You know what the first question's going to be?
00:23:38How long have you been with Chris?
00:23:40Thirteen months.
00:23:41Poor you.
00:23:43You've been in a relationship with a man for thirteen months.
00:23:45You have a child together.
00:23:46E.B.
00:23:46Louise, three months of age.
00:23:47You understand the importance.
00:23:48This man has already made you do two private lie detector tests.
00:23:53Why is that not enough?
00:23:54He just doesn't believe him.
00:23:55Why don't you tell him to shove it where the sun don't shine and run off into the sunset
00:23:58with his best mate?
00:23:59Because frankly he must be the biggest pain in the backside ever.
00:24:01Why are you with him?
00:24:03Because I love him.
00:24:04Think he loves you when he accuses you?
00:24:07No.
00:24:07Is this a...
00:24:08I just wanted to...
00:24:09Oh my God.
00:24:10Um...
00:24:11This is a guy who...
00:24:13Does he take drugs?
00:24:15Um...
00:24:16Yeah, he has done.
00:24:17Yeah.
00:24:17What...
00:24:18What drugs did you take?
00:24:19Or do take?
00:24:22Talking to you.
00:24:23Wake up.
00:24:24Smell the coffee.
00:24:24Do you take drugs?
00:24:26I don't.
00:24:26I don't.
00:24:26I've quit.
00:24:27What?
00:24:28I've quit.
00:24:28When did you quit?
00:24:30Um...
00:24:31Well I quit like seven years ago but...
00:24:33What were you taking?
00:24:35Cannabis.
00:24:36Um...
00:24:37I've just got a little idea while I'm talking to her.
00:24:39Why don't you start this process of making this better by going off with Graham and doing
00:24:42a drugs test?
00:24:43He's on the way around.
00:24:44Go and do a drugs test now so that when you come out I can prove that you're clear isn't
00:24:47that alright?
00:24:48Yeah, that's fine.
00:24:49Alright, you go and do that.
00:24:49Lose the picture.
00:24:50I don't want to see him for a moment.
00:24:51Right.
00:24:51Um...
00:24:52So...
00:24:53Um...
00:24:53This relationship, you say, it started out great.
00:24:57I love this.
00:24:57Ready for this?
00:24:58My relationship with Chris started out great until about a month in.
00:25:02So...
00:25:03So 12 months to the 13 have been a nightmare.
00:25:06Yeah.
00:25:06Why?
00:25:06What does he do?
00:25:07Shh.
00:25:07Listen to this.
00:25:08Um...
00:25:09Check my phone.
00:25:10Facebook.
00:25:12Um...
00:25:12Calls me every time I'm out with my friends.
00:25:16Thinks that he's been in and out of jobs because he thinks that I'm at home sleeping with
00:25:22someone else.
00:25:23So doesn't go to work but comes home to check whether you're having sex with the gardener
00:25:27or something, yeah?
00:25:28Are you?
00:25:29No.
00:25:29Doesn't he...
00:25:30I'm sorry about this, by the way.
00:25:32He checks my underwear.
00:25:33Yeah.
00:25:36He...
00:25:38He...
00:25:38He gets up in the night to see where I am.
00:25:41Yeah.
00:25:41Or wouldn't you be next to him?
00:25:42No, say if I go for a...
00:25:44Like, for a wee, um, he'll get...
00:25:47Like, he'll...
00:25:48He'll...
00:25:48You know, he'll wake up and he'll...
00:25:50Well, do you think you're in the back garden having sex with a neighbour?
00:25:52Or I've let someone in.
00:25:53You've let someone in?
00:25:55Yeah.
00:25:56He...
00:25:58Um...
00:26:00This lie detector test, you said to him, I, um, I'll go and do one privately.
00:26:04You passed it.
00:26:05Yeah.
00:26:05Uh, that wasn't enough.
00:26:06No.
00:26:07And you sit there and you say, I love him.
00:26:09Yeah.
00:26:09But does he love you by accusing him the whole time?
00:26:11And then you went and did another one.
00:26:12Yeah.
00:26:12And you passed that.
00:26:14Yeah.
00:26:14And now you're on the Jeremy Kyle show.
00:26:15Yeah.
00:26:15Can I make a suggestion to you?
00:26:17Um, let's say you passed this test today.
00:26:20Yeah.
00:26:20Why on earth are you putting up with this?
00:26:22Do you honestly tell me that you think this man would change?
00:26:26Because this is in his head.
00:26:27Unless...
00:26:27Unless he gets help.
00:26:28For what?
00:26:29For being weird.
00:26:31What?
00:26:31Paranoia.
00:26:32Yeah.
00:26:33Paranoia?
00:26:33Yeah.
00:26:34See, I'm supposed to deal with...
00:26:35I'm just being straight.
00:26:36Yeah.
00:26:36I'm supposed to hear everybody can check.
00:26:38Isn't the last time you split up because you dared to go out for a night?
00:26:41No, I was with my friends for the day and he thought that I was with someone else, sleeping
00:26:47with someone else.
00:26:48You went out with your friends for the day and he thought you were having sex with somebody
00:26:52else so you split up with him.
00:26:53Yeah.
00:26:53So today...
00:26:54Um, this is brilliant.
00:26:55I just...
00:26:56I just want to share...
00:26:56This doesn't get the biggest laugh ever in the history of the Jeremy Kyle show.
00:26:59Um, he says, I bet you any money if she passes Jeremy Kyle's lie detector it's because
00:27:06she had sex with the examiner and he passed her.
00:27:09LAUGHTER
00:27:15That's not normal, is it?
00:27:17I mean, I've seen the lie detector examiner, do you know what I mean?
00:27:20And nobody is going to want to sleep with him.
00:27:22LAUGHTER
00:27:23Now, interestingly, just to flip it, right, you, and I really like this, you see, because
00:27:28these sort of stories, they sort of make my brain start working.
00:27:32You say, it might be drugs or he might be basically hiding something himself.
00:27:39Yeah.
00:27:39So you have asked him to do a lie detector test.
00:27:42Yeah.
00:27:43So let's say you pass for the third time, and all of this insecurity control is a front,
00:27:48and he's a liar, what happens then?
00:27:51I'm gone.
00:27:52I'm...
00:27:52You look very calm.
00:27:54Why are you calm?
00:27:54It's like you know what's going to happen.
00:27:56I...
00:27:57I don't know.
00:27:57I think you're great.
00:27:58I can't wait to meet him.
00:27:59So next, the suspicious partner who basically gets up in the middle of the night and follows
00:28:03her if she goes to the toilet.
00:28:04I add to that that he actually believes during the lie detector test, the results of which
00:28:08you'll get next, she actually had sex with our lie detector examiner.
00:28:12I can't put a picture of him up on screen, but trust me, that will never happen.
00:28:16I'm right back after this break.
00:28:17You've given up jobs because you think she's at home having sex with men?
00:28:21Yeah.
00:28:22Isn't the fact that this wonderful woman gave you that child enough?
00:28:26Paranoid, you know?
00:28:26We asked Chelsea, have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
00:28:30Your girlfriend and the mother of your three month old baby said no.
00:28:32Do you know why she said no?
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00:32:34Do you not want your girlfriend to know the truth?
00:32:36Well, that's it.
00:32:37Go on, mate.
00:32:37What if she cheated on you?
00:32:39How would you feel about that?
00:32:40I'd still love her.
00:32:41What's the truth?
00:32:42Give me those lie detector results.
00:32:43Is this the start of your relationship with Arnie?
00:32:45Have you passionately kissed anyone else?
00:32:46You said no.
00:32:47Why'd you say no?
00:32:48I was telling the truth.
00:32:51Tess says your future wife's a liar, mate, eh?
00:32:57Did you cheat on her?
00:32:59You gonna pass?
00:33:00Yep.
00:33:01You look as guilty as sin.
00:33:03When the test was being taken, you actually wrestled with the examiner and tried to nick a bottle of vodka
00:33:08from the minibar.
00:33:10True or false?
00:33:11False.
00:33:11False.
00:33:13False.
00:33:16I'll settle on the truth.
00:33:18I'll settle on the truth.
00:33:18Blow me over backwards.
00:33:19You were lying.
00:33:27Thank you very much for that.
00:33:28You're welcome back for the break.
00:33:29We met Chelsea.
00:33:29She's been in a relationship with Chris for 13 months.
00:33:31The first four weeks was great.
00:33:32The last 12 months have been a nightmare.
00:33:33He's a control freak.
00:33:34He checks up on you.
00:33:35He checks your underwear.
00:33:36He doesn't let you go out with your friends.
00:33:38If you go for a wee in the middle of the night, he follows you.
00:33:40This is a man who used to smoke cannabis.
00:33:42He's done a drugs test during the break.
00:33:44And interestingly, you say, and I like this, I think he must be up to no good, which is
00:33:47why I've asked him to do a lie detector test as well.
00:33:50He's here, ladies and gentlemen.
00:33:51He probably thinks that you and I have been at it.
00:33:58Let's get Chris on the Jeremy Carl Show.
00:34:07I'm so sorry we were busy when you were having the drugs test.
00:34:10I do apologise.
00:34:11You alright?
00:34:12Yeah, I'm good.
00:34:13Why are you destroying this girl's life?
00:34:16You get up in the middle of the night if she goes to the toilet?
00:34:19I've never done that.
00:34:20So she's making that up?
00:34:22Well, I've never got up.
00:34:23This is only because of the other week, a couple of weeks back.
00:34:25Have you ever checked her underwear?
00:34:27No.
00:34:29Speak up then, Chelsea's saying you're not telling the truth.
00:34:31I think I've done it a couple of times, but...
00:34:33You have done it then?
00:34:35Yeah, but it's not like I've actually...
00:34:36I've only glanced over it.
00:34:37Brilliant.
00:34:38And you've given up jobs because you think she's at home having sex with men.
00:34:42Yeah.
00:34:42Why?
00:34:44It's just...
00:34:45I'm paranoid, you know?
00:34:46Why are you paranoid?
00:34:47Been dumped on before?
00:34:48Yeah.
00:34:49Or do you think it's the paranoia from the drugs that you smoke?
00:34:51No, it's just...
00:34:52Stroke smoke.
00:34:53What?
00:34:54I don't know.
00:34:54It's happened to me a few times.
00:34:56Paranoia will annoy her.
00:34:57In the end, everybody will think you're a freak and run in the opposite direction.
00:35:00You cannot be like this.
00:35:01This is not how the world works.
00:35:02She doesn't believe you now.
00:35:04Yeah.
00:35:05What do you mean, yeah?
00:35:06No, that's why I'm here, to prove my innocence.
00:35:08So...
00:35:08But she's already done two tests.
00:35:11Yeah, I know, but I've actually found stuff.
00:35:14So what happens if she...
00:35:15What?
00:35:15I've actually found stuff.
00:35:16I found a Johnny, a condom wrapper.
00:35:17A what?
00:35:18A condom wrapper I found.
00:35:19A condom what?
00:35:20A condom wrapper I used.
00:35:21Not used.
00:35:22I found in a...
00:35:23Sorry, sorry.
00:35:23Let's just rewind.
00:35:25You found...
00:35:26This is very personal.
00:35:28So you use condoms when you're having sex.
00:35:31Yeah.
00:35:31Right.
00:35:32And you found a what?
00:35:34Well, basically, I found a condom wrapper, which we hadn't used for about two months,
00:35:37in a living room.
00:35:39Like, which was in there before.
00:35:41Did you use that condom?
00:35:42You did?
00:35:43In the lounge?
00:35:44Yeah.
00:35:45Yeah, and...
00:35:45You can't be married.
00:35:46It fell down the side of the sofa.
00:35:49No, it was on the shelf, wasn't it?
00:35:50It fell down the side of the sofa.
00:35:52I picked it out of the sofa, just put it on my shelf, and didn't put it in the bin.
00:35:56Right.
00:35:57No, but this was two months later.
00:35:59Have you cheated on her?
00:36:00No.
00:36:01Do you believe that she has cheated on you?
00:36:03Because my question, quite seriously, because there is a child involved in all of this,
00:36:07Evie Louise, and there is your baby.
00:36:09Have a look.
00:36:10Three months of age.
00:36:12What does she mean to you?
00:36:13I think...
00:36:15Isn't the fact that this wonderful woman gave you that child enough?
00:36:18Do you not believe...
00:36:19No, I do believe her, but it's just that also...
00:36:22I'll stay around to her...
00:36:23I'll stay around to hers every weekend.
00:36:25And one weekend I come over and the bed was broken.
00:36:27The bed was broken?
00:36:29She went around to her house one weekend and the bed was broken.
00:36:31Yeah, because I used to say that over the weekend and then...
00:36:33Why did the bed get broken?
00:36:34Was it the man with the condom wrapper who came upstairs to get off the shelf and jumped
00:36:37up and down doing some trampolining?
00:36:39What happened?
00:36:39No, it was...
00:36:40Before we met, it was already broken.
00:36:42When are you going to acknowledge that this is your problem, not hers?
00:36:46I already have.
00:36:47That's why I've come in here.
00:36:48Have you?
00:36:48We didn't do the test result.
00:36:50What are we going to do?
00:36:50The drugs test first or the lie detector?
00:36:52Ladies and gentlemen, this is a massive announcement.
00:36:55He was clear of every single drug on his drugs test.
00:36:58Yes!
00:36:59All right?
00:37:00Good.
00:37:01Well done.
00:37:02Right.
00:37:04You all right?
00:37:05Have you got a futon?
00:37:06No.
00:37:06OK.
00:37:07Let's start as we mean to go.
00:37:08Let's start with you Chelsea.
00:37:09You've already done two private lie detector tests.
00:37:11You passed both.
00:37:12Why didn't you believe those two?
00:37:13No, I believed the second one they did.
00:37:15Why am I doing this one then?
00:37:17No, because we broke up a couple of weeks back.
00:37:21You went round and the washing machine was broken.
00:37:23What?
00:37:24Since the test.
00:37:25Since the second one.
00:37:26Do you think you can carry on like this?
00:37:28Or do you think in the end you'll drive everybody nuts?
00:37:31We asked Chelsea.
00:37:32This is the Jeremy Kyle show lie detector.
00:37:34Since your last lie detector, Tuesday.
00:37:35I'm joking.
00:37:36Have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
00:37:38Your girlfriend and the mother of your three-month-old baby said no.
00:37:41Do you know why she said no?
00:37:42Telling the truth.
00:37:43Because of course she was telling the truth.
00:37:47We asked Chelsea.
00:37:49Since your last lie detector, have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
00:37:52She said no.
00:37:53Because of course, again, Chris, she was telling the truth.
00:37:56Yeah.
00:38:00Since your last lie detector, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
00:38:03She said no.
00:38:04Do you watch this show?
00:38:05Yeah.
00:38:05Which is very nice of you, but go and get a job.
00:38:07Because your girlfriend got a full house.
00:38:09Give her a round of applause.
00:38:10Well done.
00:38:11Well done.
00:38:12Well done.
00:38:13So, I'm...
00:38:15I know you're not the most demonstrative.
00:38:17I'm waiting.
00:38:18I'm sorry.
00:38:22What was it that first sold him to you?
00:38:25I don't know.
00:38:26Dynamic conversation.
00:38:28Now, interestingly, you thought maybe he was up to no good, which is where the paranoia
00:38:31comes from.
00:38:32Were you a bit offended to ask to do a lie detector?
00:38:34Why are you biting your nails?
00:38:35Are you nervous?
00:38:35Yeah, a little bit.
00:38:36Why?
00:38:38Nothing.
00:38:39Going to pass this?
00:38:40Yeah.
00:38:40Definitely.
00:38:42100%.
00:38:42Do you think he's going to pass it?
00:38:44I'm not too sure.
00:38:46Since the start of your relationship with Chelsea, have you passionately kissed anyone
00:38:49else?
00:38:49I asked Chris, the man who's spent 13 months convinced that his girlfriend's up to no good.
00:38:53You said no.
00:38:54Why did you say no?
00:38:5510-2.
00:38:55You're a liar, pal, aren't you?
00:38:57Oh, what?
00:38:58No reaction again, Mr. Exciting.
00:39:00Let's just let that sink in.
00:39:02Three lie detector tests and a load of old brief from a beautiful girl who gave you a
00:39:05three-month-old baby.
00:39:06And you've been mithering her for years.
00:39:08And you failed the first one about kissing.
00:39:10And no reaction from you.
00:39:11Since the start of your relationship with Chelsea, if you have sexual contact with anyone else,
00:39:15he said no.
00:39:16The test said he lied on that question as well, Chelsea.
00:39:19What did you say?
00:39:21Oh, this is my favourite bit.
00:39:23So you're aware, he failed every single question including sexual intercourse.
00:39:27No, that is true.
00:39:28I haven't actually...
00:39:28So the test...
00:39:29Just wait.
00:39:30The test's wrong.
00:39:31Yeah.
00:39:32But hers is right.
00:39:34Look, that genuinely is wrong.
00:39:35I've not slept with anyone else.
00:39:36I don't believe you.
00:39:37I believe you're a troll freak and a bully who's made her life a complete misery to cover
00:39:40your own sad tracks.
00:39:42No, but I've never actually sat with anyone else, so...
00:39:43So something happened?
00:39:45Yeah, I've kissed someone.
00:39:47No, but she already knows that.
00:39:48If you go to the test and you lie, you know exactly what will happen.
00:39:51You had sexual contact as well, didn't you?
00:39:53I know.
00:39:53You sure about that?
00:39:54You're a liar.
00:39:54You've just backtracked and said that you kissed someone.
00:39:57All you've done is make her life a misery.
00:39:59And the truth of the matter is you're the liar.
00:40:01But I'm not lying, because all I've done is kiss someone and I've told her that.
00:40:04No, you said they kissed you and you moved away.
00:40:07Yeah, that's what happened.
00:40:08Is that why you're so paranoid that somebody get your girlfriend?
00:40:10I'm not, though.
00:40:11You love him, though, don't you?
00:40:13Yeah.
00:40:14And it will be all right.
00:40:17Darling, you've had 12 months of being mithered.
00:40:20Your phone checked, your dignity stripped away.
00:40:23That's not normal.
00:40:23And what happens?
00:40:24It's him who's a liar.
00:40:26I know that you've got a child with him.
00:40:28And I understand that people want to make things work.
00:40:32And if you want to do that, that's great.
00:40:33We'll help you.
00:40:34But I'll tell you something.
00:40:35You shouldn't feel trapped by that.
00:40:39Nothing to say?
00:40:41You're going to twist around your little finger?
00:40:42Well, I've seen this show a million times, but I know for a fact that that is.
00:40:46What, you've seen men cheating on their girlfriends and being found out?
00:40:49No, but I've seen this show a million times, but I know that I haven't cheated, so I know that
00:40:52is actually wrong.
00:40:54So the test's wrong then, yeah?
00:40:56It is, yeah.
00:40:56Well, you'd be able to talk her down and get her back then, wouldn't you?
00:40:59Yeah, hopefully.
00:41:00Yeah.
00:41:00Great.
00:41:01I haven't said it for anyone, though.
00:41:02I've told her last time.
00:41:03The only reason you...
00:41:04Neither has she, and she's done three of them!
00:41:06At a time when she should be being made to feel brilliant because she's got a young baby!
00:41:11Yeah.
00:41:12Poor you.
00:41:12It's all about you, isn't it, being accused of something that you haven't done.
00:41:15Does that sound familiar, mate, or what?
00:41:18Yeah, no, but I didn't ask for this fair test.
00:41:20Yes, you did!
00:41:21Well, listen, darling, it's your choice.
00:41:23A lot of people would stay together, and I understand that for the sake of the child.
00:41:26There also comes a point where you have to think about yourself, and I think you're worth a lot more
00:41:29than the way he treats you.
00:41:31I wish you the best of luck.
00:41:33You all right, me?
00:41:33Shaking a hand or what?
00:41:34Yeah?
00:41:41Good luck to them.
00:41:42I think they might need it.
00:41:43Now, you might remember my next guest today, Shirley, from a previous encounter.
00:41:46Take a look at this, my friends.
00:41:48This is the mother who's no better Shirley, ladies and gentlemen.
00:41:55Stacy, I brought my children up, not you.
00:42:00Okay, darling?
00:42:01Right?
00:42:01And you know that you did help.
00:42:03I know you did, because I had an abusive relationship of this .
00:42:09I did not hang you out of the side.
00:42:10So she's a liar.
00:42:11Yeah, she was going.
00:42:12She was going near the window.
00:42:14Shame on you.
00:42:14No.
00:42:14Going near the windows.
00:42:16Right?
00:42:16No.
00:42:17And I was frightened that she was going to fall out.
00:42:19So the way you teach me.
00:42:21That's it, right?
00:42:22The way you teach me is hang me at head first.
00:42:24That's it, right?
00:42:24I didn't.
00:42:25She goes near my window all the time.
00:42:27My front door.
00:42:28I won't hang her out the window.
00:42:30I didn't hang you out the window.
00:42:32Your daughter did do the job.
00:42:34Now, since then, Shirley claims that things have taken a turn for worse, and her daughter Stacy
00:42:38is now making her life a complete misery.
00:42:40She says that Stacy has stopped her seeing her grandchild, and she's been getting nothing
00:42:43but abuse from her own daughter.
00:42:44She's had enough.
00:42:45She's here to tell Stacy, I am ready to disown you for good.
00:42:48Strong words, and a big day for this lady.
00:42:49Who felt last time she didn't get a chance to put aside she will today.
00:42:52Shirley is on the Jeremy Kyle show.
00:42:54That way.
00:43:04How are you?
00:43:06Fine.
00:43:08Um, on the show last time, your daughter Stacy and Sophie, who is in the audience, welcome
00:43:14back, were quite dismissive of you, and quite rude about your abilities as a mother.
00:43:24Sophie went to live with Stacy, but a month after the show, left her sister, and is actually
00:43:30now here today with other stuff to say, but we'll start with you, Shirley.
00:43:34Why are you back, darling?
00:43:36Um, well, since the last show, you know, obviously I was made to be the bad parent.
00:43:44Shut up.
00:43:45She's having a say.
00:43:46I never dangled my daughter from the window.
00:43:49That was an accusation.
00:43:50Yes.
00:43:50I never done that.
00:43:52What?
00:43:53You tell my team I'm here today to tell the world what my daughter's really like.
00:43:56Yes.
00:43:57Um, she's abusive.
00:44:00She calls us names.
00:44:01She's stopped us from seeing my granddaughter now.
00:44:04You know, it's one minute I can see her, then I can't, then I can't, then I can't.
00:44:08Um.
00:44:09Oh, my gosh, mother!
00:44:09Why would I let you save me grand, me, my daughter anymore?
00:44:12Can you do me a favour, right?
00:44:14Can I speak to your mother who didn't get a say?
00:44:16And I don't care whether you like this or not.
00:44:18Run away until I'm ready to speak to you.
00:44:21Go.
00:44:21Aye, but she's called Shirley, not me mother.
00:44:25And you're called Stacy, and by the end of this, she might not want you to be her daughter.
00:44:29Go on.
00:44:30Sorry, where was I, Jeremy?
00:44:31Sorry.
00:44:31You were saying that you've tried.
00:44:33You've been called some terrible things.
00:44:35Yes.
00:44:35Um, I've tried throughout the years, especially since she's been married.
00:44:39Um.
00:44:40This is to Paul.
00:44:41Yes.
00:44:41Um.
00:44:42I've had her phone me constantly during the night.
00:44:46Um, early hours of the morning.
00:44:48Come.
00:44:48Please come.
00:44:49Mum.
00:44:50I need you here.
00:44:51Tell my team her and Paul's relationship is a joke.
00:44:53They hit each other.
00:44:54They're lazy.
00:44:55Yes.
00:44:55And you've had to call the police.
00:44:57Um.
00:44:58What's she like as a mother?
00:45:02She's a good mom in some ways.
00:45:04What's smoking?
00:45:04Well, isn't it true that Sophie, and I'm allowed to say this, am I?
00:45:07Um, I know you're 16, so we have to ask if you're happy to talk.
00:45:11Yeah, I am, yeah.
00:45:12What?
00:45:12Tell this audience why you left your sister's house a month after the show.
00:45:17Thanks.
00:45:18Um, well, she has buckets from the minute she wakes up till-
00:45:23She has what?
00:45:24To buckets.
00:45:25Um, it's green.
00:45:26Um, and-
00:45:28Oh, smoking weed.
00:45:29I'm getting rid of this.
00:45:30Yeah, and cannabis, yeah.
00:45:30She's having a bucket.
00:45:31She's walking around with buckets, isn't she?
00:45:34Strong weed.
00:45:34Is it true that she saw it being smoked by both of them around the child and you didn't
00:45:38want anything to do with it?
00:45:39Paul doesn't smoke it anymore.
00:45:40He used to.
00:45:42I've smoked it for six years, so I don't know how you can say that.
00:45:44She just said to you, but your sister has.
00:45:47Yeah, she smokes all the time.
00:45:49Can I ask you the obvious question?
00:45:50Why were you against your mother last time with your sister?
00:45:54I have to ask that.
00:45:55Yeah.
00:45:55Last time I came on, I came on to confront me father, which I know I can't speak about.
00:46:02I wasn't against me, mom.
00:46:03I was, me and me, mom didn't get on because when we're together 24-7, we felt like a cat
00:46:08and dog, like any mother, like daughter do, living with me, mom.
00:46:12No, it's not.
00:46:13Are you going to defend your mother today?
00:46:15Yeah.
00:46:16Definitely.
00:46:17Like, it's stopping, she's stopping us and seeing my niece and she's stopping.
00:46:21Sophie, come down.
00:46:22She's stopping.
00:46:23Your mom wants you to sit with her.
00:46:23Would you do that?
00:46:24I want to wait until she comes out, just to see what she says, mom.
00:46:27Right, okay.
00:46:28You run the show.
00:46:28It sounds like your show.
00:46:29Right, Stacy's back on the Jeremy Carr show.
00:46:31Are you all right?
00:46:33So...
00:46:43You don't need that.
00:46:44You don't need them.
00:46:45Why do I not?
00:46:46She bought these splints from key cards.
00:46:49You smoke dope around your child.
00:46:51No, definitely not.
00:46:52Why I had to buy them.
00:46:54Because they don't give them to people when they haven't been in hospital, right, when
00:46:59I needed them.
00:47:00They don't give them to people who don't need them.
00:47:01You do not need them.
00:47:03I haven't got carbon.
00:47:03Did you see this?
00:47:05I'll give her that.
00:47:06My word.
00:47:07No, you didn't.
00:47:09You told my team, my mum hanged me out of a window as a child.
00:47:12She threatened me with a belt.
00:47:13She smashed my toys.
00:47:14She's called social services on me claiming I was feeding my child cannabis.
00:47:18I was the one that rang social services.
00:47:20It was not me mum.
00:47:21It was me.
00:47:21Why did you find social services?
00:47:23Because my husband beats her up constantly.
00:47:25My brothers came, which I like, lots of people came.
00:47:29Did your husband beat you?
00:47:30No.
00:47:30So you didn't hold a name for a time a few months ago.
00:47:34My husband has a sleeping condition.
00:47:36No, he hasn't.
00:47:39He's got a sleeping condition.
00:47:40That doesn't mean he should beat you up, should it?
00:47:43No, the sleeping condition is where he's been in hospital where he's had proofs and he
00:47:47said.
00:47:47What's that got to do with beating you up?
00:47:49He doesn't beat me up.
00:47:50Yes, he does.
00:47:51What's the sleeping condition?
00:47:52He doesn't mean to me up.
00:47:53Can you come down here?
00:47:55Can you get a chair, please?
00:47:57Sophie's on the show.
00:47:58Give her a round of applause.
00:48:05She left your house because she said you're a nightmare.
00:48:08No.
00:48:09No.
00:48:10I've tried plenty of times, time and time again, to help you and help you and help.
00:48:14All of us spoil you.
00:48:16Excuse me.
00:48:17I want you.
00:48:18I want you.
00:48:19I want you.
00:48:20I want you.
00:48:20I want you.
00:48:21She's got you in my home.
00:48:23My home.
00:48:24Because Sophie's left you in this way.
00:48:29She's got you in this way.
00:48:29She's got you in this way.
00:48:30She's got you in this way.
00:48:30She's got you in this way.
00:48:30She's got you in this way.
00:48:31Wow, Stacey, Stacey, Sophie wanted to leave because she wanted to do things on her own.
00:48:37Okay?
00:48:38Really?
00:48:38Can I, hello?
00:48:39Hiya.
00:48:39Hiya.
00:48:40Shut up.
00:48:40Shut up.
00:48:41Shut up.
00:48:43Your mother last time was painted, she says unfairly, by you and your sister.
00:48:47Isn't it quite ironic that you and your sister now don't get on?
00:48:49Maybe the person in the centre of all this is you.
00:48:52No.
00:48:53Really?
00:48:54No.
00:48:54Really.
00:48:56Why don't you listen to your mother?
00:48:58Come on then, mother.
00:49:00You won't let me see my granddaughter.
00:49:02One minute I can see her, the next minute I can't.
00:49:04If I had dangled you out of the window.
00:49:08Good point, coming up.
00:49:09Why on earth will you let me have my granddaughter?
00:49:11Yeah, that's a good...
00:49:12Yeah, go on, answer that.
00:49:13Come on, if she had done what you said she did, why would she leave her child with her?
00:49:17Answer it.
00:49:19I'll come and get a move, I'm going all day in September.
00:49:23No dear.
00:49:24Excuse me, who...
00:49:24Turn your back on me, it doesn't matter.
00:49:26Who...
00:49:27Has...
00:49:27Both of us.
00:49:29Liar!
00:49:29When was...
00:49:30When was a baby, mum and...
00:49:32My daughter.
00:49:33I find it difficult, right?
00:49:35Now, with my ill health, as you'll see, they haven't got any disabilities.
00:49:40Okay, I haven't.
00:49:40What's your husband called?
00:49:42Paul.
00:49:43Right, so basically, now, not only is your mother a nightmare, your sister's a nightmare.
00:49:46No, she's...
00:49:47You and Paul have the perfect...
00:49:48Has Paul ever beaten you up?
00:49:51Right, we've had...
00:49:52Has Paul ever beaten you up?
00:49:54There's been physical between...
00:49:56Well, yeah, but...
00:49:56Have you ever then...
00:49:57Oh, there he is, look.
00:49:58We said...
00:49:59Have you ever then told your mother and your sister about that?
00:50:02Yes, yes.
00:50:03Why did we...
00:50:03Wait here!
00:50:04If you think...
00:50:04Why do we come?
00:50:06When you turn there and you're crying around...
00:50:07Have you ever told the...
00:50:09Actually...
00:50:09Actually...
00:50:09Talk!
00:50:10Right, well, I'm going to break his next to the man that's been accused of beating you
00:50:13up his ear.
00:50:13Those two say, actually, you paint a very unfair picture of Shirley.
00:50:17Your sister Sophie backs it up.
00:50:19You two take drugs and not good with your kids and fight the whole time.
00:50:23I'm back next.
00:50:24Paul's on next.
00:50:25Don't go anywhere.
00:50:25I'm right back.
00:50:26Thanks.
00:50:27Do you smoke drugs around your child?
00:50:29Does your wife smoke...
00:50:30Erm, yeah.
00:50:31Stacey smoked drugs.
00:50:32Around the child.
00:50:33No.
00:50:34Never around the child.
00:50:34No.
00:50:34No.
00:50:35No.
00:50:35No.
00:50:37No.
00:50:38I should've got my baby too.
00:50:39That's dead!
00:50:40Alright.
00:50:40I've got no idea if you're smoking drugs around your child.
00:50:43You shouldn't have it in the first place, should you?
00:50:46Here you go, Daddy.
00:50:47Here you go, Daddy.
00:50:48Here you go, Daddy.
00:50:48Here you go, Daddy.
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00:54:39Morning!
00:54:40Morning to them.
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00:54:46And the dark secret of Britain's youngest mum who had her baby when she was just 12 years old.
00:54:51All of that this morning, 10.30.
00:54:59Bringing people together.
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00:55:11Please tell me there's nobody else in the frame.
00:55:13There is nobody else.
00:55:14The DNA test results show that Doug is not the child's biological father.
00:55:19How can that be?
00:55:22Why are you 100% sure?
00:55:24Keith's not got very good swimmers.
00:55:28How sure are you?
00:55:30100%.
00:55:30100%.
00:55:31100%.
00:55:32100%.
00:55:32I am 1,000% sure she's not my daughter.
00:55:38Keith is the father of your baby.
00:55:41You're not the child's father.
00:55:43Stay away!
00:55:45Stay away!
00:55:48You are her father.
00:55:49You get too much!
00:55:55It's not your baby, my friend.
00:55:57That is your daughter!
00:56:00You might know what he's done, are you?
00:56:03He means loving by both parents.
00:56:07Every child should know who's father is.
00:56:09Bye, bye, bye, bye.
00:56:11Bye.
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00:56:52Thank you very much, welcome back for the break, speaking to Shirley and Stacey and Sophie.
00:56:56Now, your husband's Paul.
00:56:57Yeah.
00:56:58Their accusation is, certainly from your mother, I've done everything I can.
00:57:02This woman will phone me a moment, he's beaten me up, their relationship ain't great,
00:57:05there's drugs as a young kid and you keep using the child as a weapon.
00:57:08Paul is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
00:57:17You're the only one who booed?
00:57:18No, your guardian's booed, actually, darling.
00:57:20Do you smoke drugs around your child?
00:57:22Does your wife smoke drugs?
00:57:23Yeah, Stacey's smoke drugs.
00:57:25Around the child.
00:57:26No, never.
00:57:26No, never around mother.
00:57:27Lala!
00:57:28Lala!
00:57:29So Madison doesn't run in the back of your mind, she's down above it.
00:57:32Don't lie.
00:57:33No, she doesn't.
00:57:34Yes, she does.
00:57:35Why are you f***ing lying?
00:57:37Why are you lying?
00:57:38I swear, darling.
00:57:38Why are you lying?
00:57:40Have I still got my daughter?
00:57:41Baby, true, that's death!
00:57:42All right, I've got no idea if you're smoking drugs around your child, you shouldn't have
00:57:46in the first place, should you?
00:57:48Take a lie.
00:57:49Take a lie.
00:57:50Take a lie, you're talking to me right now.
00:57:52I'm sorry, darling.
00:57:53You're giving me a headache.
00:57:54Right, listen to me.
00:57:55Do you believe, do you believe that your sister, who I consider to be the most intelligent
00:58:01person, actually, that I've met in a long time, do you think that she would at 16, her
00:58:05phone social services unless she had real concerns?
00:58:07Do you honestly believe that you can answer the question your mother puts you?
00:58:11Because all you do is shout.
00:58:12Why on earth would apparently a woman who has a baby hung you out the window, why would
00:58:16you let your child go anywhere near her?
00:58:18The reason I'm shouting is because they don't like it's tall.
00:58:21Answer the two questions.
00:58:22If a woman dangles you out the window, why would you let her near your precious baby?
00:58:27Right, two years ago, I was paralyzed with Guillain-Barre syndrome.
00:58:30I needed her.
00:58:32I've needed support.
00:58:34That's your only...
00:58:35Oh, it's all about you, isn't it?
00:58:36No, no.
00:58:36That's your only tasing.
00:58:37I asked you to answer your questions.
00:58:39You've seen it now.
00:58:40Do you know what she's done?
00:58:41I know what you've done.
00:58:43Had us all, haven't you?
00:58:44Can you let me just...
00:58:45No, listen, Jeremy.
00:58:46Please, don't take drugs.
00:58:48You don't let me do my time.
00:58:50Oh, woe is me.
00:58:52Ralph Madison, she's never took drugs.
00:58:53Ralph Madison.
00:58:54Shh, shh, shh.
00:58:56One sec.
00:58:57Shh, shh, one sec.
00:58:58Talk.
00:59:00Don't do the drama, love, because I don't buy it with you anymore.
00:59:02I'm trying to hold my tears in.
00:59:04Oh, are you doing a very good job?
00:59:05Yes.
00:59:06Good, good.
00:59:07Talk to your mother.
00:59:07That's all you like.
00:59:09Right.
00:59:10The thing is, I'll try to get away from you.
00:59:14I've been here for years, and I get pulled back in.
00:59:17Why did your 16-year-old sister leave your house?
00:59:20Don't say a word.
00:59:20Simple answer, why?
00:59:22Because she didn't like me telling my mum about her headphones being brought.
00:59:24Last time on this show, Sophie was with you, but she said that it was very unfair what was said
00:59:28about your mother.
00:59:30She gets pulled back in.
00:59:32The thing is, I've been here for years.
00:59:34I get pulled back in and pulled back in.
00:59:36She's been pulled back in.
00:59:37So it's all about how difficult it's been for you, is it?
00:59:39No, it was my choice.
00:59:39It was even though, okay.
00:59:41All the kids.
00:59:41Sophie had no way to move after leaving ours.
00:59:43That's why she moved back in with her mum.
00:59:44Yeah, exactly.
00:59:45I was here with that.
00:59:46Okay.
00:59:46And me mum, let me move after leaving.
00:59:47You moved back in with your mum.
00:59:49I want to hear from Shirley.
00:59:49Nobody else.
00:59:50Why did she come here today?
00:59:52Why did I come here?
00:59:54I want a relationship with me granddaughter.
00:59:57I totally, totally cannot help Stacey anymore.
01:00:00I have tried for a long time.
01:00:02Do you know what I do?
01:00:03I think that's fair play, and I don't usually say that.
01:00:07Obviously, Stacey and her husband are going to say, you can't see the child.
01:00:12I'll tell you this, and I didn't think I'd finish this in this way, and I said my piece
01:00:15to you, and fair play to you for coming on.
01:00:17Thanks.
01:00:18The point is this, right?
01:00:19If you two genuinely have concerns about the well-being of this child, and it's not for
01:00:24me to say, you should or you shouldn't, I'm making a suggestion.
01:00:28Then you have to go back to social services or the relevant authorities, if you're not
01:00:31prepared to feel that you can achieve from the inside, and do something about it.
01:00:35And let me tell you something you might not like.
01:00:37Maybe they're being unfair.
01:00:38I don't think they are.
01:00:39And I think in hindsight, probably I was wrong the first time, and that happens quite a lot,
01:00:42I'm sure.
01:00:43Is your mother really a bad woman?
01:00:45Yes.
01:00:46You're wrong now, Jeremy.
01:00:47You haven't even let me talk.
01:00:48I think I got your mother wrong, and I think I definitely got you wrong.
01:00:51You haven't, Jeremy.
01:00:51You have no idea what she's like.
01:00:53What am I?
01:00:54What am I?
01:00:54Shall I tell you?
01:00:54Oi, oi, I got you wrong because you beat her up.
01:00:57Shall I tell you why?
01:00:57No, I don't be wrong.
01:00:58Yes, you do.
01:00:59No, I don't.
01:00:59Yes, you do.
01:01:00Shall I tell you why?
01:01:01Shall I tell you why I think I got it wrong last time?
01:01:04Not because of her, and not because of her.
01:01:06Because I would buy what she would say a million times over, because this girl at 16 has got
01:01:12her head switched on far more than the three of you put together.
01:01:14And make sure you look after your child.
01:01:16Mindy, take the test.
01:01:17Oi, make sure.
01:01:18No, give me another mindy, take the test.
01:01:19Do you believe this woman?
01:01:20No, listen, yeah, do.
01:01:21Thank you very much indeed.
01:01:22Give me a chance to tell you, but ask more.
01:01:24I've got to go.
01:01:25I've got to go.
01:01:26It's the end of the show.
01:01:27You've got to say, yeah?
01:01:28I have a lot, Matthew.
01:01:29I'm doing this show every day.
01:01:31No, don't.
01:01:32It can't come back.
01:01:33I have to go, because Philip and Ollie are on.
01:01:35No, every single day I've made the show.
01:01:36We've actually got to leave, okay?
01:01:37So thank you for watching.
01:01:38Have a great night, day, whatever.
01:01:40You don't even have to tell you what the show's at.
01:01:41Let's just go.
01:01:42Thanks for watching.
01:01:43See you soon.
01:01:43See you later.
01:01:44Bye.
01:01:44Yeah.
01:01:45See you.
01:01:46Yeah.
01:01:47End of the show.
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