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Trinamool Congress, which is facing an internal crisis as multiple leaders have dumped the party, got another jolt on Thursday when veteran leader Kalyan Banerjee issued an ultimatum to party supremo Mamata Banerjee.
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00:00Ama shahokur mira
00:03Civil war consumes Trinamul Congress
00:13Loyalist Kalyan's bombshell warning to Didi
00:21As or Abhishek ultimatum shocker
00:26Still in the bad days I am with Mahutavani
00:29If an arrogant Abhishek Banerjee remains
00:33Who treats everyone as his employee
00:35Then it is impossible for me to stay
00:40BIPO battle blows up big time
00:50Quit TMC movement, pick space
01:06Thela Shesh for Didi's Parivar Politics
01:15Hello everyone, this is To The Point and I'm Maria Shakil
01:18Our top story is of course the unraveling of the TMC
01:22Which seems to be almost like a day
01:25Every day one or the other TMC MP is deserting Didi
01:31So what are the headlines at this hour?
01:33Let's take a look at that
01:33These most loyal lieutenant gives ultimatum
01:38Kalyan Banerjee tells Mahutavani
01:39Choose Abhishek or us
01:41Calls BIPO too arrogant
01:43Says TMC destroyed because of Abhishek
01:47Still in the bad days I am with Mahutavani
01:51Still I am
01:54But point is
01:56If an arrogant Abhishek Banerjee remains
02:01Who treats everyone as his employee
02:03Then it is impossible for me to stay
02:08More parliamentarians dump Didi
02:10Join rebel camp
02:12Rajasabha MP Prakash Bariq resigns
02:14He is set to join rebels
02:16Meanwhile Asan Sol MP Shatrugan Sina
02:19Choses to stay with Mahutavani
02:28Kee Niti Aayog meeting ends
02:30Tamil Nadu chief minister actor Vijaya
02:33Request centre to release pending education funds
02:36Without forcing NEP and free language policy
02:40Vijaya also personally met Prime Minister Modi
02:43For second time in two weeks
02:47Another massive escalation in West Asia war
02:50Donald Trump says
02:51Bigger and powerful bombings are expected tonight
02:54Threatens to take over Iranian oil infrastructure
02:57Like in Venezuela
03:06Third ship with Indian crew struck
03:08U.S. forces say M.T. Jalvir targeted for flouting Hormuz blockade
03:14Earlier three Indians were killed after U.S. strikes on M.T. Assetabelo
03:20India lodges strong protest with U.S. charge in the affair
03:28Amongst mega controversy over 370 rupee biryani remarked
03:33NCW takes cognizance
03:35Summons comedian Praneet Moore
03:38And Himanshu Jangra
03:39Who made objectifying comments for June 22nd
03:43Haryana DGP also told to take stern action
03:53The Trinamul congress is witnessing an unprecedented internal storm
03:57Jolt after jolt
03:58Leaders after leaders are quitting the Trinamul congress
04:01Now Prakash Barek
04:02Who has resigned as the TMC Rajya Sabha MP
04:06Has gone on record as well
04:08This comes after Sushmita Dev and Shukendu Shekhar Roy
04:11Also stepped down as TMC MPs
04:13It's almost like a war within which is happening in the Trinamul congress
04:18And amidst this war
04:20Dede is loyalist
04:21Member of parliament Kalyan Banerjee
04:24Has issued a sharp ultimatum to the party supremo
04:27He has said, choose us or Abhishek Banerjee
04:30The battle has now turned into a question of loyalty versus lineage
04:34Party versus Pariwar
04:36The widening divide now raises a bigger question
04:40Is this Hela Shesh for Mamata Banerjee's Pariwar politics?
04:44Before I bring in the guests and my colleagues who are tracking the story very closely
04:48Here's a report
04:49Such an arrogant person
04:50But Mamata D. has to choose
04:52Whether Abhishek Banerjee he will keep or she will keep me
04:57The words that will hurt and haunt Mamata Banerjee the most
05:02Her trusted lieutenant, the voice of the TMC in parliament
05:06And an all-season loyalist Kalyan Banerjee
05:09Is up in arms against Bhipo Abhishek Banerjee
05:12And has delivered the biggest ultimatum to the former chief minister
05:18Choose between blood and party
05:23Speaking to India today
05:25The Shrirampur MP blasted Abhishek
05:27Accusing him of insulting him and destroying the party
05:32This is a humility
05:33Does he not trust you?
05:34No, no
05:34He never trust me
05:36Never?
05:37Never trusted me
05:38But you are not
05:38Right from 2022, you know what 2022, what I said about him
05:42You know that
05:45But Kolandi, you are on the front line
05:46He was on a compulsion, he was working, I was working with him
05:50But he never trusted me
05:52And he will never trust me
05:57Kalyan left Mamata with just one option
06:00Choose Bhipo or loyalist
06:05Again I am saying I am with Mamata Di
06:08But Mamata Di has to choose whether Obhishek Banerjee he will keep
06:11Or she will keep me
06:16Meanwhile the exodus from the TMC continued
06:20After Sushmidadev and Sukhendu Shekhar Roy
06:23Prakash Chikbarek resigned as a TMC Rajasabhai MP
06:27He told India today that the people's mandate
06:30Which he believes is with the BJP
06:32Must be respected
06:35Look at the assembly election result
06:37We did not come to the people's
06:40Also, I have given the mandate from this mandate
06:45Because it was also a result in my constitution
06:51TMC Rajasabhai MP Prasoon Banerjee too
06:54Dumped Mamata's camp and joined the rebel group led by Kakoli Ghosh
07:00He has signed the letter seeking recognition as a separate block
07:08But TMC MP from Asansol
07:10Shatrugan Sinha refused to abandon Mamata in her difficult times and remembered how Didi stood by him when he was
07:17in a spot
07:44Mamata is fighting the biggest political battle of her life
07:48On one side is her nephew Abhishek
07:51Widely seen as her political heir
07:54On the other is the party she built from scratch and led to multiple victories
08:12Some piece of breaking news coming in now
08:15TMC General Secretary Abhishek Banerjee has now appeared before the CID
08:19Abhishek Banerjee had earlier skipped three summons of the CID
08:23Now Abhishek Banerjee has appeared
08:26And these summons were issued in the science forgery case
08:31Earlier Abhishek Banerjee had received a temporary relief from the Calcutta High Court
08:35The court had said that the investigating agency will not take any coercive action for three weeks
08:42So Abhishek Banerjee now appearing before the CID
08:45And he has already got relief from the Calcutta High Court
08:50Which is temporary
08:52Let me bring in Indurjee first on this story
08:56Indurjee how should this be seen
08:58Abhishek Banerjee finally appearing before the CID
09:02Well Maria didn't have much option didn't he
09:05Calcutta High Court today categorically told the Srinamal Congress MP
09:10That he has to appear for questioning before the CID
09:13And that too within the deadline of 6pm
09:16And that's the reason why Abhishek Banerjee hurriedly rushed and returned from New Delhi
09:21He landed at the Calcutta airport
09:23Immediately went back to his residence
09:25And within a few minutes he was at the CID headquarters in Kolkata
09:30Okay just hold on to your thoughts
09:31We have a big newsmaker joining us now
09:34And let me go straight to Shatrugan Sinha
09:37Member of Parliament of the TMC
09:39Shatrugan Sinha
09:39Appreciate your time here on India today sir
09:42I'm looking at the soundbite that you gave earlier today Mr. Sinha
09:45You said it very clearly
09:46Won't desert Mamata Banerjee in difficult times
09:49And this is coming amidst all those
09:53You know rebellion that has that Didi is seeing at present
09:57What makes Shatrugan Sinha stand firmly with Mamata Banerjee?
10:02Simple reason
10:03Thank you very much Maria for calling me
10:06I must admit that when I fought the election in 2019 from Patna
10:15Where I lost or I made to lose
10:18Nobody came forward
10:20The only one person of the highest estature
10:24Mr. Mamata Banerjee
10:27She called me up
10:29She offered me
10:30She encouraged me
10:33Supported me
10:34And asked me to go and fight
10:36The only by-election was being held in the country
10:40Fight from us and soul
10:42I had never been to us and soul
10:45Never ever
10:46The first time I went to us and soul
10:49And by grace of God
10:51With the support and love
10:52Affection of the people of us and soul
10:56And Bangal
10:57I won the election
10:59With a record margin
11:02That was the time
11:04When I met
11:05I realized
11:06The lonely person
11:08Mamata Banerjee
11:09Jinnohne mei
11:11Hosela afzai ki
11:12Jinnohne mei offer kiya
11:15Diya
11:16A mujhe beja parliament mein
11:18Pahli baar bhi jit karaaya
11:20Waha se record margin se
11:21Second time also
11:23With a very significant margin
11:26I won the election
11:27I've been there
11:29I've won the election
11:30On joda pool
11:31Symbol
11:31And now
11:33It's the high time
11:34And right time
11:35Perhaps
11:35To support
11:37The one
11:38And the only
11:39Mamata Banerjee
11:40In the hour of a crisis
11:42A political crisis
11:44Is liya
11:45Mei unke saath hoon
11:46Unnohnei musibat ki ghaadi
11:48Mera saath diya
11:49Aaj mera farz hai
11:51Mera kartab hai
11:52Ke mein iz ghaadi mein
11:53Unka saath dhun
11:55And saath hi saath
11:56Mein baaki logeo
11:58So bhi
11:58Kehna chahun ga
11:59Humble request
12:00Ke aap joda pool
12:02Peer jit karaaya ho
12:04Aap joda pool
12:06Peer jit karaaya ho
12:07Peer jit karaaya ho
12:07Paati ko chhod raha ho
12:09Is ghaadi mein
12:10Ya tor raha ho
12:12Isse toh
12:13Acha hooga
12:14Aap ko jana hai
12:15To jayen
12:16Istifah dhen
12:17Jis party
12:18Jis party
12:18Me jana
12:18Party
12:19Ke
12:19Symbol
12:20Peer
12:20Chunao
12:20Lane
12:21Chunao
12:21Jit
12:22Karaaya
12:22Aapka
12:22Swagot
12:23Hooga
12:23We all
12:24Will
12:24Welcome
12:25You
12:25But this
12:26Is no way
12:27Kul tuk
12:28Aap sab
12:28Didhi
12:29Didhi
12:29Didhi
12:30Didhi
12:30Didhi
12:30Didhi
12:30Didhi
12:31Khaa
12:33Chaal
12:33Chaal
12:34Kaopi
12:34Kaopi
12:35Kaopi
12:36Kaopi
12:36Kaopi
12:36Kaopi
12:37Kaopi
12:37Kaopi
12:38And now
12:38Aachanak
12:39Is ghaadi
12:40Me
12:40Ya
12:41Kisii
12:41Dher
12:41Ki
12:42Vajah
12:42Se
12:42Ya
12:42Mejburi
12:43Ki
12:43Vajah
12:43Se
12:44Ya
12:44Lalach
12:44Ki
12:44Vajah
12:45Se
12:45Ya
12:45Hai
12:46Ki
12:47Vajah
12:47Se
12:47Aap
12:48ChhoÚ‘
12:48Ke
12:48Jana
12:49Chah
12:49Kisai
12:50Nei
12:50Ma
12:51Un
12:51Me
12:51Se
12:51Nahi
12:52Ho
12:52Ma
12:53Un
12:53Me
12:53Se
12:53Nahi
12:54Ho
12:54Ma
12:55Un
12:55Me
12:55Se
12:56Ho
12:56Juk
12:57Bante
12:57Or
12:58Kek
12:58Once a
12:59Friend
13:00Always a
13:01Friend
13:01Okay
13:01Once a
13:02Loyalist
13:02Always a
13:03Loyalist
13:03In fact we are showing number of pictures of you and Mamta Banerji together and I'll ask the producers to
13:08put those pictures of Shatrugand Sina
13:11Here it is Shatrugand Sina and Mamta Banerji another one while it was in the middle of a campaign
13:16So certainly you say that once a friend always a friend she stood with you in your difficult times you
13:22are standing with her in her difficult times
13:24But Shatrugand Sina ji you know you are a veteran politician yourself
13:28Did you really anticipate that a party like the Trinamul congress will unravel itself so quickly in it's been just
13:38over a month since the results
13:40And here is a record number of people MPs and MLAs who are all set to desert Mamta Banerji
13:48Did you see this coming
13:50Nahi Mariya nahi
13:52In fact I'm with you we are on the same page
13:57Never ever expected it would happen and that too so soon
14:30So soon
14:32and this is not my topic. But whatever reason is, they will leave and try to go and try to
14:38go and try to go and try to go and try to go and try to go because I am
14:42not very sure how many of them have gone.
14:51I am not saying that. I am not saying that. I am not saying that. I am saying that.
15:15I am not saying that. I am only one of them. One, Mamata Banerjee, Mamata Banerjee and Mamata Banerjee.
15:22I am not knowing anyone else and I am not believing anyone else.
15:26Chhidra Gunsana Ji, you know, over the last few days, a number of leaders who have quit TMC or have
15:34formed a separate block as it has happened in West Bengal in the State Assembly,
15:39they have given one reason that they were upset and they continue to be upset with Abhishek Banerjee.
15:45Mamata Banerjee is nephew. How do you look at his working style? Do you also have some concerns about the
15:53manner in which he worked?
15:54You know, surprisingly, even today, Kalyan Banerjee said that Mamata Banerjee has to choose between Abhishek Banerjee or them.
16:02So it is almost like blood versus the party.
16:06The first thing is that we have given the reason, we all have given logic, reason given the reason that
16:13you have so bad or bad or bad or bad or bad or bad or bad.
16:17The question is that if it was so bad, why did it not say that it was so bad?
16:37I am not a street fighter.
16:38So I am not a born leader, but a street fighter.
16:42They have given success with the success of the struggle.
16:45They are getting so frustrated, they are showing how frustrated they are.
16:50In that moment, you are taking a complaint book, and these are always going to happen in the party.
17:01He's one of the best people we have, and not only best people, I would call him Kalyan
17:07Benerji, an intellectual power excellence, one of the best leaders in the country, such
17:12a learned man.
17:14Today, he has said that he can be personal, with Abhishek Benerji, there can be some wrong
17:19to have a problem, or something can be angry, it can be a professional reason, if he goes
17:24to the lawyer, he doesn't get the discipline of protocol, it can be a problem, it can be
17:32a problem, it can be a problem.
17:33But let's not forget what our Kalyan Benerji has said, and he has said that he is with
17:40Mahometa Benerji, and he shall always remain with Mahometa Benerji, he is with his wisdom
17:45with Mahometa Benerji.
17:47So, we all have the difference to be, that we will be with Mahometa Benerji, and then
17:54after that, some of the people are going to retire, that's why 4 months ago, some of the
18:00other people have been offering, and some of the other people have been offering.
18:02This offer was made before many people came, but today they were where they were, and they
18:08were not.
18:08It is a fact that when it's a star,
18:11and it starts to be removed from the screen on Monday and Tuesday.
18:14You should have to see these things, you should have to understand them.
18:17Spoken like a star there,
18:19Friday night star, Monday and Tuesday,
18:21can be removed from the screen,
18:22but Shatrugan Sina Ji,
18:24I spoke to Kakoli Ghosh Dastidhar,
18:26before that, I had also spoken to Sandipan,
18:29who is an MLA,
18:31who has now been part of another block,
18:33which has been recognized in the Assembly,
18:36Kakoli Ghosh Dastidhar, who has resigned.
18:37They had reservations,
18:39and they also said that they communicated their concerns in the party forum.
18:45They had no option, so they left them,
18:48because they didn't have no choice.
18:51There was no option, so they left them.
18:54So then when it was a good time, why did they leave them?
18:57You have the same time.
19:00I mean, this car, Maria,
19:02I'm saying that it's not a car to punish,
19:05it's not a car to fight.
19:07It's not a car to fight.
19:09It's not a car to fight.
19:12It's not a car to fight.
19:15It's not a car to fight,
19:17but there's no car to fight.
19:37What are you saying?
19:37no.
19:38It will be a sign.
19:39My leaders are just
19:40just
19:41and just
19:42if they have
19:44any
19:44complaint
19:45we can talk
19:47to them.
19:48Today
19:48we have
19:49a
19:49decision
19:49make
19:50a decision.
19:51How are we
19:52a decision?
19:55We are
19:59going to make a separate group.
20:01You say separate group.
20:03The law
20:04says that we will make a separate group.
20:06You will come to the group.
20:09There is no clarity.
20:11You have to talk about it.
20:13You have talked about Bengal
20:13to have a speaker
20:14that they have not said
20:16that they have not said
20:18anything.
20:19It is not done on basis.
20:22Now there are many
20:23things that are left behind.
20:25I always say that picture
20:26is still there.
20:28This is the dialogue.
20:30The picture is still there.
20:31The picture is still there.
20:33I do not see that.
20:35I do not see that.
23:11Shatrugan Sinajee, always a pleasure speaking to you.
23:14Before I let you go, just one question, who is this BJP leader and your friends and why did they
23:20approach you right now?
23:23No, no, I've got many friends. They are wonderful people.
23:27They called us, why should I name them, Baba? I shouldn't name them. They are our friends.
23:33They are my good thoughts on their point of view.
23:38They must have thought that Shatrugan Sinajee needs something else. It deserves it.
23:42I've been living in 30 years in BJP. I've been living in a few years in BJP. One of the
23:48members of the party, when there were two seats in opposition, I was here.
24:00I've been living in a few years.
24:04I've been living in a few years.
24:09I've been living in a few years.
24:12I've been living in a few years.
24:13But in my heart, there's no difference in them.
24:16I've always believed that if you have political opponents, you're not your enemy.
24:23They are in this society.
24:24They are our friends.
24:25They are our friends.
24:27And we must say that it's not a fault.
24:32No.
24:33It doesn't mean it.
24:33It doesn't mean it.
24:35I've got great love and regards for some of the great leaders in the Bharti Janata Party, including the father
24:41figure,
24:41Bhutpuro and Bhutpuro Pradhan Mantri Atal Bihari Bajpayee
24:45and my friend, philosopher, guide, guru and ultimate leader
24:48Shri Lal Prish Advani.
24:50I have been a part of Bharat Ratna
24:52and I have been a part of Bharaty Jantar Party.
24:57So my personal love and personal regards
24:59are for many leaders.
25:01But in today's day, politically speaking,
25:04my leader is one of them
25:06and that is only Mamata Banerjee.
25:09In no uncertain terms,
25:11there is Shatrugan Sinha saying
25:12Mamata Banerjee is his leader.
25:14Thank you so much, sir, for speaking to India today
25:16and making it very clear
25:18amidst all the speculation that was going on.
25:20Shatrugan Sinha there also questioning the timing
25:23as to why are these objections and concerns
25:26being raised about the working style
25:29of the Trinidad Congress chief?
25:31Shouldn't it have waited for a little longer?
25:34Why raise it at this time
25:36when she is having perhaps the toughest time
25:39in her political journey?
25:40Tapash Chen Gupta is also joining us
25:42and he is joining us from outside the CID office
25:45in Kolkata.
25:47Indurjeet Kundu continues to be with us.
25:49Tapash, I'm coming to you first.
25:50It's been an hour since the questioning began
25:54of Abhishek Banerjee.
25:57What are you picking up from his team of lawyers?
26:04Well, see, it's been exactly one and a half hour
26:07before which Abhishek Banerjee had entered
26:10here at the CBI headquarter
26:12where we are standing right now.
26:13It's Bhavani Bhavan,
26:14where the team of the SIT is questioning him.
26:17What we have been given to understand
26:18that his statement would be recorded today.
26:22He will be put forward a few questions
26:24and those questions, answers would be recorded
26:26and following which these SIT investigating officers
26:30will be telling the responses of Abhishek Banerjee
26:34with the findings that they have got till now.
26:37But mainly why he was asked to appear
26:40was in search of the main copy of the resolution,
26:43the photocopy of which was produced
26:45before the Vidhan Sabha speaker
26:48citing that the MLAs have already stated
26:51that the leader of opposition would be Shobundip Chattopadai.
26:54In court today, the state have categorically stated
26:58there are five aggrieved MLAs
27:00who have raised complaints
27:02that their signatures were not there.
27:04they were forged
27:05pertaining to which Abhishek Banerjee was called earlier.
27:09The notices were served to him thrice
27:11but he evaded those notice.
27:13Finally, Abhishek Banerjee approached the high court.
27:15High court gave him relief
27:16and asked him, given him directive
27:19to go and report before the CID by 6 p.m. today
27:23following which he came
27:25and the court also gave him an immunity for three weeks
27:28and after that till then
27:30the CID cannot take any coercive action.
27:33What my sources within the CID say is
27:35that this is not perhaps for the first time
27:37and the last time, this is just the beginning.
27:40He will be called upon later in this stage of the investigation
27:43to verify certain facts and certain findings
27:46that the question, data, examination, bureau of CID
27:50of the CID have already got and handed over to the SIT
27:53and those would be verified with Abhishek Banerjee.
27:57This is just the beginning.
27:58Yes, but before I bring in Indro,
28:01what really is Abhishek Banerjee's defense?
28:03Here are two individuals,
28:05both Ritabratha Banerjee and Sandeepan Saha.
28:08Both of them are of the opinion.
28:09They have gone on record to say
28:10that those are not their signatures.
28:18The Council have stated in the court today
28:21that the signatures were done
28:23and the resolution was done,
28:26the signature was also done.
28:27There was a backdated signature,
28:29so backdated signature cannot be termed as forged.
28:32However, Sandeepan Saha, Ritabratha Bhattacharya,
28:35Arup Roy, total of five MLAs have come on record
28:38stating that those were not their signature at all.
28:41Those were written in all caps
28:42and hence they allege that this was forged.
28:46They were not taken into confidence,
28:47they were not intimated
28:48and henceforth they went on to complain
28:50before the Speaker of the Assembly
28:52following which a police case was filed.
28:54So now these investigating officers of the SIT
28:57is trying to find out what exactly happened,
28:59what prompted if any forgery was done
29:02and what about the original copy of the resolution
29:06which still remains to be missing
29:08in search of which the team of CID
29:10went to the Central Party office
29:12adjacent to Mahmouda Banerjee's residence
29:14to find out the exact copy,
29:16the original copy which they did not find.
29:19They are searching for the original copy of the resolution
29:22and also trying to record
29:24the statement of Obishek Banerjee.
29:25As of now what we have been given to understand,
29:27to some extent he is cooperating
29:29but more details would emerge once this questioning is over for the day
29:34then we might get some insight as to how the interrogation went on today
29:39but this is perhaps not for the first and the last time.
29:42He will again be called upon if required.
29:44That's what my sources within CID says.
29:46Indra, come in now.
29:48You spoke to Kalyan Banerjee
29:50who said it very clearly
29:52that his removal as Abhishek Banerjee's counsel
29:55was rather unceremonious.
29:57He went on to say that he felt humiliated
30:00by the manner in which Abhishek Banerjee operates.
30:03So who really is the new counsel of the Thrin Mool General Secretary?
30:09Well look, there are multiple cases
30:11that Abhishek Banerjee will have to fight the legal battle for
30:17and one of course is the CID case and forgery case.
30:21There are other cases, there are multiple other scam cases
30:23in which he has been summoned, especially the ED.
30:26Kalyan Banerjee was of course fighting this case
30:29but now it is over to Kishore Dutta
30:31who is looking after this case
30:34and that of course seemed to have personally
30:36Kalyan Banerjee seemed to have taken it very, very personally
30:39and therefore this entire outburst against Abhishek Banerjee.
30:43So what I sense of course
30:46that this is extremely personal
30:47and therefore given that the timing
30:51is also very, very interesting right now
30:52and one could read into the timing at this point in time
30:56but Kalyan Banerjee has categorically stated
30:59that he has been by the side of Mamata Banerjee forever
31:02and he will remain by the side of Mamata Banerjee
31:06in her hour of crisis.
31:07But the choice is very, very distinct
31:10and stark for Mamata Banerjee right now.
31:13Either she chooses her family, her nephew
31:15or she chooses to keep her party intact
31:17and if she wants to choose her party
31:20then she will have to do away with Abhishek Banerjee
31:22because most of them are raising question mark
31:25on the functioning style of Abhishek Banerjee
31:28within the Trinamu.
31:29No, but it's rather interesting
31:30and I'm going to take that thought of Shatrugan Sinha
31:34a little ahead with you Indra
31:35that why weren't all these concerns
31:38about Abhishek Banerjee's functioning raised
31:40before they quit?
31:42So you know it almost comes like
31:44we are quitting and this is the reason.
31:47Couldn't that have been raised at a time
31:49when it could have been addressed?
31:51At a point where there could have been rapprochement?
31:56Well, Maria, you know what?
31:58People who have been following Bengal politics
32:00they would know this is not a conversation
32:03that's happening within the Trinamuul Congress
32:05suddenly now.
32:06It has been there for several years
32:08especially in the last four to five years
32:10because the Nobbu Trinamul versus the Pudono Trinamul
32:14as was the headline in Bengal
32:16the old guard versus the new guard
32:18has been going on for a long period of time
32:20people like Shruti Bandhapadhyay, Kallan Banerjee, Shoghato Roy
32:25there was almost an axe on them
32:27there was a lot of question on
32:29whether they will be repeated in 2024
32:31this discussion was happening
32:33within the periphery of the Trinamul Congress
32:35even before the Lok Sabha elections
32:37and we saw how Mamata Banerjee
32:39tactfully dealing with that matter
32:41trying to keep the old guard pacified
32:43as well as giving in to some of the demands
32:46that were being raised by Abhishek Banerjee
32:48vis-a-vis issues like age
32:50people who are above 75 years of age
32:52should they retire
32:53what about their performances
32:56and I have been able to
32:58actually have a conversation
33:00with Abhishek Banerjee a few years back
33:01about this and he said
33:02that it's not always
33:04he's misunderstood
33:05because he did not really say
33:07that anyone who is old
33:08or above 75 should retire
33:11he said that you know
33:12there might be people
33:13who are still effective
33:14who are still you know
33:16has the energy of youth
33:18and they're still operating
33:19so it should be based on performance
33:21but the fact within the Trinamul Congress
33:24is it's not just about
33:26in principle decision of who is old
33:28and whether they should give space
33:29to the new guard
33:30it's now they have started questioning
33:32Abhishek Banerjee's own
33:33personal style of functioning
33:35one of course is the entry of IPAC
33:37secondly Rito Proto told me
33:39that it took one and a half
33:41or two years for him
33:42to get an appointment
33:43with Abhishek Banerjee
33:44which trust me
33:45I have seen
33:46not just Abhishek Banerjee
33:47but with Mahmata Banerjee
33:48a lot of these MLAs
33:49and Trinamul had 200 of them
33:51till last election
33:52they did not have access
33:54to Mahmata Banerjee
33:55and that was becoming
33:56a recurring theme
33:57that they did not have access
33:58to their party's top brass
33:59they couldn't reach out
34:01to the party's top brass
34:02all those things of course
34:03have compounded
34:04because the Trinamul Congress
34:06has lost this election
34:07it's a personality
34:09cult driven political party
34:10a regional party
34:11based on the aura
34:13of a regional satrap
34:14and now it's all
34:16breaking apart
34:17it's also a reflection
34:18on how the politics
34:19in Bengal is
34:22as one of the analysts
34:23famously had told me
34:25that it is the party
34:26which almost seems
34:27to be the biggest
34:29employer
34:29in Bengal
34:31any political party
34:32or the government
34:33which is the biggest employer
34:35stay with us Indra
34:36we are going to play
34:37that chat
34:38that Indra did
34:39with Kalyan Banerjee
34:40and I am going to come back
34:41to both Tapas and Indra
34:45At a time when the Trinamul Congress
34:47is facing its biggest crisis
34:48one of the person
34:50who has been seen
34:51as a crisis manager
34:52in the party
34:53is veteran
34:54Trinamul Congress MP
34:55and advocate
34:56Kolan Mondabad
34:57that he joins us now
34:58on India Today
34:59Sir
34:59very important case
35:01came up for hearing
35:01before the Calcutta High Court
35:03on the CID notice
35:04to Abhishek Banerjee
35:05your party's
35:06national general secretary
35:07but you did not
35:08appear on that case
35:09No, this case
35:10what has happened
35:11challenging the summons
35:14we filed the criminal revision
35:15on behalf of
35:16Abhishek Banerjee
35:17the matter came up
35:18on Friday
35:18whole day I waited
35:20in court
35:20six hours
35:22matter did not
35:23take enough
35:24did not
35:26then
35:27I mentioned the matter
35:30and the matter
35:31was directed to appear
35:32on Wednesday
35:34in the meantime
35:36you know
35:36on Tuesday evening
35:37that the search had been
35:38taken place
35:39in the Kamak Street
35:40and the
35:40ex-chip minister's office
35:42I went to this port also
35:45and I said
35:46to the CID officer
35:47why you have brought
35:48these two civic witnesses
35:49who are the BJP supporters
35:54right
35:56now tomorrow
35:57yesterday morning
35:58I mentioned the matter
35:59before Justice Koshik Chandra
36:00the matter is extremely urgent
36:02the search has been conducted
36:05not only my residents
36:06also the XCM's residents
36:09and
36:11really very difficult situation
36:13we are
36:16Justice
36:16Chandra has been pleased
36:17to direct that the matter
36:18would appear today
36:23then around
36:24twelve thirty in the morning
36:25some one lawyer
36:26came
36:28and said that
36:29there is a
36:29reed petition
36:30has been filed
36:31challenging the search
36:34and Mr. Kisho Dottu
36:36will appear
36:37I said
36:37why did you not
36:38why did you not
36:39say to me
36:40because this search
36:42is now subject matter
36:43of there
36:44they are there also
36:48why you are doing
36:49these things
36:50at least from one place
36:51these matters
36:51should be done
36:54whom I would like
36:55you do it
36:56and I am not interested
36:57I have to do it
37:01and I will not appear
37:02in this matter then
37:05do not treat me
37:06as a dustbin
37:06tell me
37:07inform me
37:08within one hour
37:08whether I have to
37:09do it or not
37:11nothing has been
37:12informed
37:12in the night
37:13I read the entire
37:13things
37:14got myself ready
37:15you were preparing
37:16for today's hearing
37:17yes
37:18around 12.30
37:19night
37:21said
37:22it was
37:22informed to my
37:23son
37:24that the
37:25I am not required
37:26Mr. Oyan Bhat Chaji
37:27will do the matter
37:28it is such a humility
37:33I am 45 years
37:34practice
37:35this Oyan Bhat Chaji
37:37is 2025
37:38as junior
37:39Kisho Dottu
37:39is my junior
37:42he doesn't know
37:43how to respect
37:44a senior lawyer
37:45even
37:45not just lawyer
37:46you are the senior
37:47in his party
37:48that is the second part
37:50one must know
37:53client should work
37:54on the basis
37:55of the advice
37:55of the lawyer
37:57patient
37:58should hear
37:59the doctor
38:00doctor will not
38:01hear the patient
38:02and the lawyer
38:03will not
38:03hear the
38:06client
38:07so far
38:08legal part
38:08is concerned
38:10he is such
38:11a arrogant
38:12merchant
38:13and all the time
38:14this is insulting
38:15this is not possible
38:17for me
38:17to appear
38:18in this matter
38:19I said
38:19I will not appear
38:20so this is also
38:22mistrust
38:23you are
38:24you are not just
38:24an advocate
38:25you are also
38:25a senior member
38:26within the party
38:27this is humiliating
38:29this is humiliating
38:30this is humiliating
38:30does he not trust you
38:31no no
38:31he never trust me
38:33never
38:34never trusted me
38:35but you are
38:35right from
38:362022
38:36you know
38:37what 2022
38:38what I said
38:39about him
38:40you know that
38:42Colander
38:43you are on the
38:43front line
38:44he was
38:45at a compulsion
38:46he was working
38:46I was working
38:47with him
38:48but he never
38:48trusted me
38:49and he will
38:50never trust me
38:52but you are
38:52fighting
38:53I am fighting
38:54for Mahmoud Abhani
38:54I am not
38:55fighting for
38:55anybody
38:56I am fighting
38:57for Mahmoud Abhani
38:58and fighting
38:58for the
38:59people of the
39:00state of
39:00West Bengal
39:01and the
39:01party
39:02and who
39:03is he
39:06such an
39:06arrogant
39:06person
39:09one must
39:10one must
39:10understand
39:11that for
39:11his
39:12for Obishek
39:13the party
39:14has been
39:15destroyed
39:15today
39:15we have
39:16lost it
39:16everybody is
39:18saying
39:18I have not
39:19said
39:19I am in
39:19the back
39:20days of
39:21the party
39:21I was
39:22with the
39:23Mahmoud Abhani
39:23I said
39:24again I am
39:25saying
39:25I am
39:26with Mahmoud Abhani
39:26but Mahmoud Abhani
39:28has to choose
39:28whether Obishek
39:29he she will
39:30keep
39:30or she
39:31will keep
39:32me
39:32that's an
39:33ultimate
39:33yes
39:33this is
39:34I leave it
39:35to her
39:36her
39:37wisdom
39:38I leave
39:39it to
39:39her
39:39wisdom
39:40this is
39:40a dharamsankat
39:41for Didi
39:41I leave it
39:43to her
39:43wisdom
39:44whatever
39:44she will
39:45do
39:45that's
39:46alright
39:46if she
39:46says
39:47no
39:47without
39:47Obishek
39:47Mahmoud Abhani
39:48party
39:48cannot
39:48run
39:49I have
39:50to take
39:50my
39:51other
39:51decision
39:52she has
39:53chosen
39:53Obishek
39:54Mahmoud Abhani
39:54right now
39:54he is
39:55still
39:55the
39:55national
39:55that's
39:55alright
39:56today
39:56I am
39:56saying
39:57this
39:57anyway
39:57thank you
39:58you
39:58will
39:58take
39:59a
39:59decision
39:59if
39:59that
40:00happens
40:00I
40:00will
40:00take
40:00decision
40:00Didi
40:01has
40:01to
40:01take
40:01a
40:01decision
40:04and
40:04what
40:05about
40:05the
40:05entire
40:06floodgate
40:06that
40:07has
40:07opened
40:07so
40:07many
40:07more
40:08weekend
40:08has
40:09gone
40:09down
40:10I
40:11don't
40:12know
40:12I
40:12can't
40:13say
40:13anything
40:13please
40:14do not
40:14ask
40:14me
40:14and
40:15regarding
40:15Uda and
40:16Go
40:16one
40:16anti-sevitary
40:18well
40:18in the
40:192025
40:20August
40:21in the
40:21month
40:21of
40:21August
40:22there
40:23was
40:23a
40:23criminal
40:24case
40:24then
40:25when
40:26LOP
40:26that
40:26time
40:26Shubendo
40:27Odikari
40:27was
40:28going
40:28there
40:30that
40:30time
40:31some
40:31people
40:32some
40:32Tenomul
40:33congress
40:33workers
40:34Joy Bangla
40:34Joy Bangla
40:35they have
40:36said
40:38and
40:38the
40:39on the
40:40spot
40:40three
40:40persons
40:40were
40:41arrested
40:41case
40:41was
40:42given
40:42all
40:43are
40:43billable
40:45later
40:46on
40:46Shubendo
40:46Odikari's
40:47lawyer
40:47wrote a
40:48letter
40:48there
40:48Udhan
40:49Go's
40:49name
40:50has
40:50been
40:50featured
40:54now
40:54after
40:559th
40:56May
40:59section
41:00109
41:00of the
41:01BNS
41:01has
41:02been
41:02added
41:02that
41:03is
41:03attempt
41:03to
41:04murder
41:05so
41:05that
41:05no
41:06available
41:08so
41:08that
41:09Udhan
41:09Go
41:09can
41:09be
41:09arrested
41:10and
41:10interrogated
41:11that
41:12was
41:13his
41:13choice
41:14and
41:14you
41:14know
41:149th
41:14May
41:14he
41:15became
41:15the
41:15chief
41:16minister
41:16he
41:16became
41:16the
41:16home
41:17minister
41:17he
41:17became
41:17the
41:17law
41:18minister
41:19and
41:2016th
41:21May
41:21the
41:22London
41:22magistrate
41:22added
41:23section
41:23109
41:27right
41:28now
41:29for
41:29that
41:29anticipatory
41:30bail
41:30has
41:31been
41:31filed
41:32and
41:32the
41:34anticipatory
41:35bail
41:35has
41:35been
41:35granted
41:35by
41:37the
41:38learned
41:39judge
41:42Sampad
41:42Atto
41:42Choudhury
41:43of the
41:43circuit
41:43bench
41:44honorable
41:44judge
41:44granted
41:45to him
41:46but
41:46you are
41:46in
41:46distress
41:47you are
41:48such a
41:48senior
41:48member
41:49of the
41:49party
41:49you are
41:49in
41:49distress
41:50isn't
41:51it
41:51emotionally
41:52humiliate
41:52sometimes
41:53one
41:53has
41:54to
41:54bear
41:54so
41:55many
41:55humilations
41:55I
41:56have
41:57I
41:57have
41:57listen
41:59in a
41:59party
42:00in a
42:00politics
42:01no
42:02party
42:02can
42:03remain
42:03in
42:03permanent
42:04power
42:05and
42:06I
42:06am
42:06a
42:06very
42:08truthful
42:09follower
42:09of
42:10Mahmur
42:10Tamanichi
42:10and
42:11what
42:11I
42:12have
42:12done
42:12what
42:12I
42:12have
42:12that
42:13all
42:14you
42:14have
42:14Bengal
42:15knows
42:15about
42:15me
42:15I
42:16have
42:16not
42:16give
42:17the
42:17list
42:18what
42:18I
42:18have
42:18done
42:18it
42:19straight
42:20to
42:21Jawahar
42:21Sarkar
42:22former
42:22TMC
42:23MP
42:23who is
42:23joining
42:24us
42:24live
42:25Jawahar
42:25Sarkar
42:26it is
42:26unraveling
42:27of the
42:27TMC
42:28but there
42:28are also
42:28likes of
42:31Shatrugan
42:31Sina
42:32who believe
42:32that once a
42:33loyalist
42:33always a
42:34loyalist
42:34and he
42:35believes in
42:36standing
42:36with
42:37Mamata
42:37Banerjee
42:38in her
42:38most
42:38difficult
42:39times
42:39but
42:39the
42:40concerns
42:41that have
42:41been
42:41raised
42:41by
42:42Kalyan
42:42Banerjee
42:42in
42:43particular
42:43he
42:44remains
42:44a
42:45loyalist
42:45of
42:45Mamata
42:45Banerjee
42:46he says
42:46Didi
42:47has to
42:48now
42:48choose
42:48between
42:48the
42:49nephew
42:49or
42:49the
42:49party
42:50you think
42:51that is
42:51really
42:52where the
42:52problem is
42:53the manner
42:53in which
42:54Abhishek
42:54Banerjee
42:54operates
42:55his style
42:56of
42:56functioning
42:57well
42:58if a
42:58loyalist
42:59like
42:59Kalyan
43:00Banerjee
43:00is saying
43:01it
43:01then it
43:02matters
43:02a lot
43:02because
43:03Kalyan
43:04Banerjee
43:04has stayed
43:05back
43:05he has
43:06shown
43:07unusual
43:07guts
43:08unusual
43:08integrity
43:09by staying
43:10back
43:10and if
43:11he feels
43:12that he
43:12can't
43:13stay
43:13because
43:14of
43:14Abhishek
43:14I mean
43:15they have
43:15a long
43:15standing
43:16difference
43:17of opinion
43:18then it
43:19becomes
43:21it becomes
43:22very
43:22serious
43:23so
43:23Mamta
43:24Banerjee
43:24would have
43:25to put
43:26Abhishek
43:27Banerjee
43:27on the
43:28back
43:28burner
43:28if he
43:30wants to
43:30save
43:30the party
43:32I put
43:33it that
43:34way
43:34how do
43:35you place
43:35Abhishek
43:36Banerjee
43:36on the
43:36back
43:37burner
43:37but Mr.
43:38Sarkar
43:38you know
43:38it's rather
43:39interesting
43:39that most
43:40of these
43:40leaders
43:41have made
43:42that a
43:42talking
43:42point
43:43and then
43:43they have
43:43quit
43:44the next
43:44move
43:45has come
43:46along with
43:47the reason
43:48why they
43:48are quitting
43:48it's not
43:49that they
43:50have some
43:51kind of
43:51reproach
43:52ma or
43:52any option
43:53of staying
43:54if Abhishek
43:55Banerjee
43:55is sidelined
43:56that's not
43:57happening
43:57here
43:57no that
43:59there are
44:00two separate
44:00issues
44:01I raised
44:01Kalyan
44:02Banerjee
44:02Kalyan's
44:02issue
44:03separately
44:03because so
44:04far he
44:05has been
44:05a loyalist
44:06where the
44:06others are
44:07concerned
44:08it appears
44:09to be
44:09a gift
44:11wrapped
44:11gift
44:12by
44:13Subendo
44:14Adhikari
44:14with the
44:16approval
44:17of the
44:18MPs
44:18concerned
44:19to give
44:20Mr.
44:20Narendra
44:21Modi
44:21another
44:2220
44:22MPs
44:23you see
44:24you must
44:24remember
44:25that
44:25Mr.
44:26Modi's
44:27government
44:27did not
44:28secure
44:29absolute
44:29majority
44:30as a
44:30party
44:30they got
44:31240
44:32instead
44:32of 272
44:33as an
44:34absolute
44:35majority
44:35so there
44:36is something
44:37of a
44:37phenomenon
44:38called
44:38BJP
44:39class 2
44:41that is
44:42appearing
44:42there is
44:43a BJP
44:44class 2
44:44in Bengal
44:45where 60
44:46MLAs have
44:46said we
44:47don't want
44:47to join
44:48the BJP
44:48because the
44:49BJP
44:49won't take
44:50us
44:50but we
44:51won't be
44:52in the
44:52opposition
44:52we will
44:53be in
44:54somewhere in
44:54the middle
44:54supporting you
44:55okay so we
44:56call it
44:56BJP
44:57class 2
44:57in Delhi
44:59also
44:59in parliament
45:00Lok Sabha
45:01also we
45:01are getting
45:02this phenomenon
45:02of BJP
45:03class 2
45:05they can't
45:06join the
45:06BJP
45:07I don't
45:08think the
45:08BJP
45:08will take
45:09them
45:09I'm
45:10talking
45:10Lok Sabha
45:10members
45:11Rajya
45:11Sabha
45:12is much
45:12more
45:12dangerous
45:13much more
45:14dangerous
45:15because Rajya
45:16Sabha
45:16is immediate
45:16whoever has
45:18quit the
45:19Rajya
45:19Sabha
45:19for whatever
45:20righteous
45:20reason
45:21or
45:23agitation
45:24has actually
45:25gifted the
45:25seat to
45:26the BJP
45:26because the
45:28current composition
45:29of the
45:29Bengal
45:29legislative
45:30house
45:30is such
45:31that only
45:32BJP
45:32will win
45:33the seats
45:33so all
45:34three seats
45:35will go
45:36to the BJP
45:36maybe they
45:37themselves
45:37will be
45:38returning on
45:38that seat
45:39on a BJP
45:40ticket
45:41if they
45:42return they
45:42will be
45:42returning as
45:43BJP
45:44MPs
45:44that's right
45:44right
45:45so it's a
45:46three BJP
45:47doesn't matter
45:48to me whether
45:48they come
45:49there as
45:49saying but
45:50we only hope
45:52that if they
45:54come they
45:55sort of
45:55revive their
45:56own self
45:57respect by
45:58getting in
45:58as BJP
45:59because changing
46:01colors is now
46:02not taken as
46:03a grave
46:04offense anymore
46:05all right
46:06I appreciate
46:07your time
46:08thank you
46:08for joining
46:08us here
46:09on India
46:09today
46:11of course
46:12it's the
46:13unraveling
46:13which is
46:14happening
46:14it's almost
46:15every day
46:15that we get
46:16these stories
46:17these news
46:18of resignations
46:20and then
46:20acceptance of
46:21the resignation
46:22by the chairman
46:22of the Rajya
46:23Sabha
46:23let's see what
46:24happens tomorrow
46:24that's all
46:25from me
46:25thanks so much
46:26watching
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