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00:00Yo, we're officially on!
00:04I'm about to go down now.
00:08Okay, go, go, go.
00:10I don't think I'm going to hate this.
00:30I'm sick with no kill.
00:31But the more medicine they gave me only surf to make me more medicine and crazy, man.
00:36I kicked that shit y'all niggas thought was dead.
00:38That shit that make you make an ugly face.
00:39Yeah, I'm going to continue, T-Man.
00:46Yeah, man, I'm going to continue.
00:56Slow.
01:01We built this city.
01:02Young niggas just livin' it.
01:04Shout out to the city representers still killin' it.
01:07The original anvil and they still killin' it.
01:10Boy, wonder, P.O.
01:11Still killin' it.
01:13On Sunday?
01:15For what? For T-Man show?
01:17For programmen?
01:18Or for T-Man Mandela native?
01:22Showtime, SQ13.
01:23Still killin' it.
01:24The more of the deal with the everything.
01:38What?
04:39Yeah, I understand, man.
04:43I actually thought I was going to try to do this thing for my PC.
04:48Yeah.
04:48But now I'm having to do it from my phone and I'm hoping, but let's get it.
04:54What we're getting is good, man.
04:55What's happening?
04:58For sure, man, you've been quiet for a long time, but I'm glad you've been quiet for a long time,
05:06but I'm glad I'm glad to be here, man.
05:09I was just playing for a long time, I'm glad you're playing for a long time, I'm glad you're playing
05:21for the people or did you play for the people or did you play for the people or did you
05:30play for yourself?
05:30You play the summer?
05:32No.
05:32No, I used to play for the 들
05:32I played it on the end of the Walker.
05:33I played it now.
05:33I was waiting for you.
05:39I thought I was going to be doing this with my laptop.
05:41Do you want to give me just two minutes so I can get my headphones so I can hear you
05:44properly?
05:44because i i can't hear so all right okay okay all right i'll be back in just two minutes
05:53while i'm pumping the joint power
06:27that's a classic joint brah that's a classic joint
06:52you
07:24yeah i really relations can't go silent like this ph sup
07:34um yo seems like we lost him again okay let me let me try and write him again
07:42i was trying to play
07:53it doesn't want to play
07:55just keeps going on and off but yeah
08:01hello uncle what up bro you're back back yeah i'm back i'm back i'm back i'm back
08:19you're mike
08:22okay seems like seems like a network is going to be a challenge
08:34um why can't i see this name clearly
08:40what be yeah yeah yeah yeah i hear you now you're back you're back you're back otherwise
08:47uh chilling man the headphones are not connecting but i will just try and make this work the best we
08:52can so all right all right stop apologizing to the viewers i mean i've been waiting here for a strong
08:59second second at this point yeah yeah i already i already did that earlier you know um yo guys welcome
09:07to pop nation tv
09:25uh yeah it's good to be here thank you man
09:27yeah it's good to be here thank you man that's what's up what's up so man just just for the
09:31youngins man you know before you start just let them know
09:34who who who who my birth is you know growing up and in in the pta cap city ref c
09:41just let us know your journey
09:44well actually i actually didn't necessarily grow up here all the way i moved here in
09:50in uh 99 so that was like around standard seven seven eight nine i think yeah it was grade um
10:00nine at the time
10:02um so when i landed here i i joined uh fro pick you know uh ram shark and crucial and
10:11the homies
10:12that was the first crew that i became a part of um and then about two years into that i
10:20met i met in vey
10:23i met in vey um we did a track together so we used to do these sessions for for fro
10:31pick right um i
10:34met in vey at a cypher you know like um and he was the one guy that i met where
10:38it's like yo this guy
10:39is going toe-to-toe with me punchline wise because i was very much a punchline mc and he was
10:45an mc in
10:46um my ilk uh pretty much and um so we and we decided hey listen let's do a track together
10:54let's
10:54try a track together for the um for the for for for for the mixtape uh the track was called
11:02grand
11:02champions and it was it was super hot fire you know and um and that would that that from that
11:11point the chemistry was so live that we we just made it official because we had that um chemistry
11:17i think a lot of people used to use the method man and red man um comparison like to describe
11:24how me and him got down so we then did that um we did that um pushed it for a
11:32couple years
11:34uh around around 2003 we started doing the shows at the state theater which became a thing in the
11:43city um it was a pretty dope thing that we had going because it was a nice platform for all
11:48mcs in
11:49in and around the city you know it was a time when the city in general was like quite united
11:56as far as
11:57like a lot of collaboration stuff that was going on between artists which i think worked out
12:02pretty well for everyone because you know it it allowed us to plug into each other's like um
12:08what you call each other's followings and it at um you know we were making noise at that time and
12:13then
12:14the hype magazine thing started happening at that time i was uh i was at some point i was like
12:22one of the top five unsigned mcs um in the country at the time on on hype um
12:31we so we got a few offers to get signed but our plan was to try to do it independently
12:37because
12:37you know the game like you get signed you get famous but you don't really get
12:41the the spoils the the the you know the proceeds so what we decided to do is like let's try
12:48to build
12:48this thing um from the ground up and um if it works out then it works out so
12:56so so so we used to like fucking on fridays and fridays and saturdays because i mean we're still
13:02studying as well right but we would um we would literally print go to go to go to hatfield
13:10the hatfield of that time when it was still like uh you know and and we would we would um
13:17go there
13:18with a backpack full of cds and a discman and if you look like you listen to hip-hop
13:24we'd be like yo ecliptic what's up man do you look do you listen to hip-hop like yep
13:28uh all the angles no press play
13:33and we actually moved quite a lot of units that way um in real time we weren't even quite aware
13:39of how far the whole thing was spreading it was only a couple years down where um you start to
13:46hear people talking about you from places that you've never been to before like so you'd have
13:50people from the eastern cape at that time i hadn't been to the eastern cape cape town durban
13:55places that i've never sold the the you know our stuff and so we realized that um for everyone
14:04that you sold you were probably pushing about times four or five because um you know that's how it was
14:11at the time the back in the in the cd days like if you like it you pass it on
14:15to your friends not too
14:16much different from what happens today really um and so around that time what 2004
14:242004 i left high school obviously now the whole thing was gaining momentum the whole thing was
14:32gaining momentum um try to tell the folks so listen let me take a gap here because
14:38i'm pretty sure what i want to do with my life i don't want to do this like you know
14:42corporate stuff
14:44um but the folks weren't hearing it i mean i must remember they're from a kind of a different
14:48generation like you're talking about a gap here they're like what the
14:52is the gap what are you trying to do sounds like you're trying to do nothing you know
14:56um so so i sort of i picked a subject but i was i was i was um still pushing
15:04the music at the same
15:05time the the the the the studies were like suffering pretty badly but the music was was popping it was
15:14was moving um year two year three by year three of of college now we're in like the third year
15:23of a
15:23two-year degree type thing um because then then the folks sort of drew through down like an ultimatum
15:32like yo dude either you leave this music thing and come work for your folks because clearly you're not
15:40trying to do this school thing or you keep doing this music thing but without our support i.e what
15:46little um pocket money i was getting at the time and i was also using that car at the time
15:51to get
15:52around to to shows and what have you um long story short i i punked out man i punked out
15:59i left the game
15:59at that point because i just at the time didn't seem like it would be possible to to keep carrying
16:06on
16:07without that minimal support but you know retrospectively that's why i say i punked out
16:13because retrospectively i think it still could have been done um it still could have been done i
16:20mean guys guys have done a lot worse to like chase their dreams you know what i mean like guys
16:25have
16:25slept in cars and and been homeless and slept on friends couches and whatever but like yeah that's
16:31so that's really how how i left the game i think a lot of people um have speculated some even
16:38thought
16:38that invade and i maybe might have fallen out which is not the case was never the case that's i
16:43mean
16:43that's my brother we're still in touch to this day actually um but yeah that's that's kind of just a
16:51snapshot of my music thing oh yeah man that's something else man um do you still think like
17:02there's a there's still that challenge with with young people that are trying to get into music and
17:08then um there's no support from the elders and and how do you think we can solve that um
17:16um by preaching listen i so i don't know so so i'm i'm i'm a parent now i've got a
17:24daughter two years
17:27and look if she starts to whatever whatever route she decides to go i think i'm gonna support it
17:35right whether it's music or art or whatever um but i i think i can confidently say that like i'm
17:43that i'm i'm sort of new new generation in that way but so so because people from my my parents
17:50generation my parents generation they were not they were never gonna hear that thing right they were
17:56never gonna hear this art thing where it's like they came from and i'm i'm speaking for my generation
18:02i'll i'll i'll get to your part of it now but they came from like you know the apartheid era
18:08right
18:08right so so on paper there were very few um
18:15career paths that they recognized as legitimate you know you're being a doctor you're being an
18:21accountant so basic things that that they they could relate to someone explained it to me like
18:25this it's like trying to explain the concept of a 64 block chess chess board to someone who's only
18:35seen eight they someone who's only seen like eight blocks cannot cannot scheme beyond that they cannot
18:41see this scenario where there's like 64 blocks and at the time i think what we're talking about if
18:48you're talking about doing music they could literally very easily turn to you and be like i'm gonna so who
18:53do you know that's that's doing this thing that you you know there weren't too many people that they
18:59could point to so at that time it was always going to be difficult to get that buy-in but
19:05i i think guys
19:06guys coming up now their parents are obviously a bit younger and and i've seen i've seen a lot more
19:14people make it in music i've seen a lot more people make it independently so i would imagine that it
19:20should be a little bit easier but then again it's also one of those things where it's like there's a
19:24lot
19:24of people that are trying to do this thing that should not be trying to do this thing because i
19:31think one thing that's definitely been lost is like um the the respect for the art so if you can
19:38just
19:38kind of put a few words together you think you're a rapper and i don't think that's the case and
19:43um
19:44so it's a tough one like i think you'd have to be discerning as a parent see see and actually
19:50listen
19:51uh to your kid and see if they got that fire if they got that juice and then see and
19:56decide if
19:56it's a smart thing to get behind or or not so i don't know it's um i i think it's
20:04always going to
20:05be a bit of a challenge um hoping that parents are going to support wholeheartedly someone going into
20:12the arts because art is also kind of so subjective that you know it's it's all taste driven you know
20:20it's
20:20not like being a doctor where or or an accountant where things are a bit more finite um the chances
20:27of it not working out are are pretty are pretty high so so i think the smart thing to do
20:35is like
20:36yeah support them but make sure they got something to fall back on if if it doesn't go that way
20:41you
20:42know what i mean but to put your all your eggs in the in the in the in the in
20:48the talent basket
20:50i don't think it's for everybody let me just say that
20:55yeah so do you think also like um like partners or spouses do they also understand also um that
21:05like that um like obviously like you pursuing that journey like most musicians in general do to their
21:14spouses um understand um understand them like pursuing the music journey is it always is there
21:21always a support day um not always and i i really i guess i can't speak for for other people
21:30um
21:32i've been fortunate in my time that i've always been with partners that that believe in in what i do
21:38so i've never had i've never had um an unsupportive partner as far as that but um
21:46but yeah i think i think i think a lot of the partners because at the time when i was
21:51when i was
21:51getting into it i wasn't i wasn't really in relationships so people that i date now they've
21:58they've seen they've seen what i can do and it's not it's not like it's not hard to believe it's
22:05not
22:05like we're speaking of concepts that are unproven or untested they know the boy's popping and it's
22:12easy to get behind it but um but but sometimes look there can be pressures man because like i said
22:18like
22:20monetizing in this thing is not always like immediate right and depending on where a person is in their
22:26life and what responsibilities they have that that dictates a lot of things so i mean if you've got
22:32a kid and you've got like other kinds of like life responsibilities obviously your partner is going
22:38to be like oh dude okay you're nice with the flow but we need we need to pay rent we
22:44need to pay school
22:45fees and what have you so so i think there's there's a lot of things that would dictate um whether
22:51a
22:52partner is supportive or not but um yeah it definitely helps it definitely helps to have
22:59a supportive partner because i mean this is the type of space where a lot of belief is going to
23:05be
23:05required you're going to have to have a lot of belief in yourself and you're going to have to have
23:11some cheerleaders in your camp yeah for sure for sure um plus i mean earlier you you were mentioning
23:22like um you guys you you and envy decided to do it independently you know what i'm saying
23:28which is interesting like um like usually with with youngsters you know they they never question like
23:36um then maybe if they could be managers or if they could be um promoters or if they could be
23:44graphic designers in terms of maybe being part of building the the artist you know what i'm saying
23:50like do you think the music business is is making any efforts to to to to tell young people that
23:57yo
23:58you might not be good at it as a musician but maybe you might be good as being an artist
24:04manager or
24:05maybe you might be good as as being a producer or you know what i'm saying tell me something bro
24:11when was the last time you try to tell an mc that you know what man maybe this is not
24:16for you
24:17that's that's a tough conversation no for real that's a very tough conversation to have like i mean
24:23let me let me explain it this way like so i've been i've done tracks with people right where i
24:28try to
24:28give like just a bit of an input as far as okay listen why don't you maybe try this with
24:32the flow
24:33remove a couple words say this whatever whatever and that didn't go down well you know what i mean
24:38people's egos flared up this and this is just where i was trying to correct
24:42or or or give my input on something that i thought could make the track better right
24:48just change your verse in this way so if people are that like averse to like advice on such a
24:54small
24:55level now you want to come up and say bruh listen we've heard your your bars
25:01and i understand this is coming from a place of love
25:05i understand it's coming from a place of love but this is not for you
25:08that fam why don't you try graphic design and you know it's a tough it's a tough conversation to have
25:14but like um ideally that's what should happen whereas like if people had
25:20truthful people around them honest people around them and also people like didn't could could assess
25:25themselves themselves themselves honestly and fairly like okay yo i've been doing this thing for x amount
25:31of time i thought i would have this kind of following or these kind of numbers or whatever
25:35and you can see that things are not popping then you can start to look at other things
25:40that you're better suited for but um it's not that way man it's very hard to tell someone listen
25:46i put personally i'm also not the guy who's ever going to tell a guy listen
25:50this thing is not popping for you you know what i mean i i'll offer advice perhaps try this perhaps
25:57try that but like i'm i'm very anti shitting on people's dreams um but but what you're saying bruh
26:05like people not everybody should be you know everybody should because because the music thing
26:10it's got so many components like you're saying and if we could each play our respective positions
26:16and um not give in to our egos i want to be the star of the show i suspect the
26:22whole thing would
26:23would would would work a lot better it would it would work it really would work a lot better as
26:29i think
26:32yeah that's amazing that's amazing um you know speaking of that you saying that you contributed you
26:39you've once given advice to to an artist and stuff like that how is it like working with
26:45with with nyams man when you did the track cheers i mean that track was on hype seven you know
26:54what
26:54i'm saying like v magazine at the time nyams shout out to nyams man nyams is just one of the
27:04it's just one of the most evolved cats i've ever met in my life you know shout out to that
27:09dude so
27:11so cheers cheers cheers cheers was one of the tracks that i did pretty early on and um
27:18i remember i remember that recording session uh what i do remember about is i was fucking drunk dude
27:25because i was nervous i was really nervous at the time yeah it's very unprofessional
27:29shit but that's what time it was i was i was really drunk and i'm i'm very particular with
27:36how i want a thing to sound right so i was recording and then i'd listen and i'm like no
27:43but
27:43this is not sounding how i want it to sound let's just do another take right but now i'm i'm
27:50drunk so
27:50i'm not i'm saying the words properly you know what i mean and that ended up being quite a torturous
27:59process because i i did i remember at some point i was seeing goma take 64 you know what i
28:07mean
28:08and um and nyams was pretty patient with it i look back at it now because now now when i
28:15when i go in
28:16i've got i've got the verses down packed and obviously i go in sober i don't do the the whole
28:21drinking thing anymore i'll go in sober and i'm really two three takes and i'm done because i've because
28:27gone coming into it i would have done it like a thousand times but it's pretty patient man if
28:33there's one thing i've looked back at i was like dog you're a patient nick you're a patient
28:37i don't i don't know if i would have sat once you're going beyond 12 to 15 takes i'd be
28:43like
28:45um i don't know maybe he was just hearing that it was like it was a fire thing that was
28:49being put
28:49together and maybe it was more patient but holy um but it's always been good working with him like
28:55it's always been good working with him i think he he he has he has a special ear for for
29:02music
29:02you know what i mean his attention to detail is kind of nuts you know what i mean and and
29:08i think
29:08we have also a good enough relationship that egos won't get in the way so i'm not i'm open to
29:13whenever he wants to like suggest that i i do things differently and he he also hears what i'm trying
29:22to
29:22say what i'm what what you know so we're able to like agree and disagree respectfully you know what
29:29i mean and i think it's necessary i think that type of that type of whoever you're working with
29:34bro whether it's your producer or whether it's your the people in your crew i think it has to be
29:39based in honesty and like respect so i need to be able to tell you when this is not popping
29:43you know what i mean um you get a lot of crews where it's like a crew of yes men
29:47everybody spits a
29:48verse and it's like everybody's like yo yo that's fire you know i'm like okay i don't know man i
29:57don't
29:57know um but like yeah i i really i really um valued our working relationship with nyams because it was
30:06always it was always truthful and it was always well intentioned so yeah working with nyams was good man
30:14let's stop let's talk and then we're with with envy how is that like i mean like discussing the
30:22concepts and everything when you guys do tracks together and raise my brother bro let me just start
30:28let me just start here here and say that and raise my brother right like literally i think a lot
30:33of times
30:34people get stuck on um the the dna definition of what a brother is we don't share dna me and
30:45that
30:45nigga but that's my brother brother you understand so we literally fight and argue like brothers
30:51our relationship is like but it's also it's also good and healthy that way because that guy's super nice
30:56you know so working with him has always kept me sharp um but like we disagreed a lot especially
31:05as far as picking beats as far as picking beats we disagree a lot which which made the whole process
31:13like a bit of a process because then what's sometimes what we do if there's a beat for example that
31:19we're
31:20struggling to choose between we would kick on the one beat and then put it on the other beat and
31:25then and
31:25then put it to like nyams and one or two others maybe to listen and get like a verdict on
31:31which one is
31:31better i think i won most of the time but like yeah it was it was like that yeah so
31:39we we we debated a
31:40lot of things but again it was always in the spirit of trying to put out the best product so
31:47so i think i
31:49think i think our album became what it was because because of that healthy um debate process
31:57but um but yeah yeah like uh making music with with invade it's just been it's it's great man because
32:07he's open-minded i like to think i'm also open-minded so when either of us comes with an idea
32:13or something
32:15that's uh coloring a little outside of the lines of what we're used to um what we're able to hear
32:22each other out you know what i mean and um i think it helps to have like to have someone
32:29that you at
32:30least consider your peer because it stretches you it doesn't allow you to get comfortable and operate
32:37within yourself because you know hip-hop is always like it's a competitive sport so there's always
32:44that thing where it's like yo yo i don't want envy to kill me on a track oh i don't
32:49want the other mc
32:49to kill me on but if if if you're rapping on every track with invade that's literally what you're faced
32:56with every fucking track you get into right so to not get child on the track means you gotta bring
33:04your
33:04your a game you gotta bring your strongest pen game every time and um yeah so i think i think
33:11it was
33:12that was always a dope sort of dynamic because we pushed each other to to higher levels of skill i'd
33:18say
33:20wow that's amazing that's amazing um for sure but uh from from your personal point of view do you enjoy
33:29um doing music like solo or do you do you enjoy it mostly whilst you guys are doing it is
33:36it true
33:37which one do you enjoy the most um
33:41i can't say so so it's both man so so some tracks are so personal right are so personal to
33:51my own solo
33:52experience yeah and so those tracks i want to do alone but but um i also quite enjoy the collaborative
34:01process because it's i mean you know we could go through the same experience and remember it
34:08differently and even see what was happening differently so the collaborative experience is always allowed
34:15that right how invasive take was on this or how damola's take was on said topic or said event
34:27um so that's always also very exciting you know and variety man the variety of like collaborations
34:34and working with other people you know they say variety is the spice of life man and you know think
34:39about it so you i'm pretty sure you've got your favorite emcees you had your favorite emcees growing
34:45up but imagine but do you remember the times when you you know when you hear that this favorite emcee
34:50of
34:50yours is doing a track with this favorite emcee it was exciting it's it is exciting to this day you
34:56know what
34:56i mean you know i remember there was a time when we were talking about j cole and kendrick might
35:02do an
35:02album together wasn't that shit fucking exciting nick yeah you know what i mean yeah so it's exciting
35:08it's exciting but but also there's times when you hear like a group and you think you know what i
35:14would like to hear what else i and else i solo project would sound like so no so i like
35:22i like
35:23i like both i like both man it's it's very hard to to make me pick either um but the
35:30next stuff i'm
35:30going to put out though is going to be it's going to be it's going to be solo and that's
35:36all i'll say for
35:37that i mean i will have features i will have features but the next project i'm doing is solo
35:45i've actually not haven't done i haven't done a solo i haven't done a solo thing i've always sort
35:49of done collaborative things solo tracks here and there but i'm i'm looking to do like a solo project
35:56next oh next yeah for sure yeah sure for sure so so so so so on the production is it
36:04still is it still
36:05in yams only or is it a variety of producers so you broke up a little bit there oh my
36:12bad i was saying
36:13on on the production on for for for the for the new project that you're planning is it gonna be
36:18in yams
36:18only or is it different varieties of producers yams only if i would be so lucky no um i'm hoping
36:28i'll have
36:29i'm hoping i'll have some time on that show hey oh listen i always i always i always try to
36:36also you
36:37must remember yams doesn't really make beats anymore like he's got like um he's got like a lot of he's
36:44got
36:44producers under him now he's sort of oh um he's sort of executive producers now yeah um but i think
36:53i've managed to twist his arm and i might have a track or two that's directly from yams his hand
37:01um but a whole a whole project with yams that you know come on that's a dream um so you
37:07know it's not
37:07going to just be young but it's going to be a lot of it's going to be some of the
37:11guys that he works
37:11with as well you know um i won't say any names now because none of it is confirmed confirmed yeah
37:20but but it will be a variety of of producers it won't be like nyams all the way
37:28all right yeah so so from your experience as an emcee which places would you say were like
37:34your your favorite places that you performed and in and why
37:43um
37:47the state theater obviously the state theater because it was home uh we got that thing going but also like
37:53the culture in the city at the time was just was this live you know um so state theater was
37:59was lit
38:00um i think we did a couple shows at slag haste there in the east rand um the east rand
38:08also had like
38:09massive culture you know like niggers was beasting out there so i loved it because the competitive
38:16the competitive spirit which is really what what the game hinges on and thrives on was fire and um
38:27um um there was there was there was a there was a performance or two at back to the city
38:34man
38:35i think i think those those are also those have also been quite like enjoyable for me
38:41yeah yeah any any chance of you being on the on the next book to the city
38:49uh i don't know man i'm not the one that puts these lineups together you know what i mean
38:53because also i've been cool i've been a way to see you was that no i'm saying yeah
39:03i have no doubt if they call i'm all for it i'm all there you know what i mean so
39:07i think a lot
39:07will probably depend on when the album comes out you know what i mean because at this point
39:13i mean for me i'd love to perform that i'd love to perform there anytime but what's in it for
39:18them
39:18at this point i've been i've been dormant for quite some time so it's like okay there's like
39:24a couple of people from our generation that kind of know who i am i'm not a particularly big draw
39:31at
39:31this point if i'm to be straight um so perhaps if if by the time the next one rolls around
39:37the album's
39:38been out and we've got we made a little bit of noise that might make sense for them to call
39:42me but
39:43uh but yeah i'd love i'd love to perform at uh back to the city i think it's one of
39:47the
39:48it's one of it's one of the the the the strong local hip-hop situations that happen for sure so
39:57so yeah i'm gonna just try i have to try make sure i put out that album in good time
40:05okay yeah okay that's interesting because um i think i think i i'm gonna need your
40:12like your advice on something but we will talk about it like when we when we're done because i'm
40:19okay no doubt no doubt because i'm not allowed to mention it here in public and you know i've been
40:24having a conversation with the mcs from from pta so i'm hope yeah i'm hoping we we could we could
40:31invite you and invite and then you guys could let us know
40:37what you think because i mean your experiences is um is really you know what i'm saying so i
40:44feel like you guys could give us a vision about it but no doubt man um let's chop it up
40:51i'm i'm always
40:52here yeah for sure for sure but um with uh with uh the thing the new thing that she sent
40:59me um we
41:00built the city ever like a definite date when you're releasing it no that's not even you man um
41:07that was also a project that i was invited to do that was um the gray the gray the gray
41:14series
41:15um it was a project that nyams and them put together i don't know if that one
41:22that was from the volume two or something like that i don't know if they put that out i don't
41:27think they did i don't know what happened there there was a bit of stuff behind the scenes they didn't
41:31come out that's actually that joint there's from holy cow it's from around 2016 bro it's not a new
41:40track it's new to you obviously because you hadn't read it but um yeah but so so it's not a
41:47new track
41:47i i didn't have i didn't have any plans to put it out but i mean i mean i should
41:51speak to nyams now
41:52that they didn't really you know maybe i can still put it out separately from that project we'll see
42:00we'll see yeah what did you think you thought it was nice i thought it was nice dog you know
42:06what
42:06i'm saying but it was like thanks man i can't say i can't send it to anyone because they're like
42:10you
42:11know i want you guys to put it yourselves first and then put it on all distribution sites then then
42:19i will share it to the people so that you guys benefit yeah yeah
42:30yeah yeah so look so it was on when yamsa's project i'll speak to them um see what the plan
42:37is
42:37so we will i think the right thing to do man i mean the rest of that project was was
42:42just
42:42was nice man it was like so it was a compilation project you know there was like guys like ginger
42:48trail on it um there was guys from the assembly on it you know so and it was really it
42:55was really
42:56really nice and it would be it would be a damn shame for it not to see the light of
43:01day you know
43:03yeah let's just ask let me just let's just ask him for for the permission you know hey man please
43:11uh
43:12put that on on the distributions and then so we can share it you know what i'm saying because hey
43:17no straight up and down yeah because i want y'all because i want y'all to benefit um monetarily
43:23for
43:23it from it also because now you just said yeah so my because much if you if i send it
43:29if i send it
43:30if i send it like the same way you send it to me and everyone my issue it's just gonna
43:35go
43:37so yeah yeah yeah yeah no i feel you 100 bro yeah yeah yeah but but on the real for
43:45for on the
43:46real like when it does come out and when you guys like um can can can share me the link
43:52i'm definitely
43:53gonna share it on on on our pages on facebook and even here on on instagram because i always do
44:01share share share like south african music and like i kind of balance it out you know what i'm
44:06saying yeah because yeah no thanks i appreciate it i appreciate it man you're doing you're doing the lord's work
44:12man you need more people like you yeah yeah yeah there's yeah there's a lot man and and they're
44:18they're really hungry for you guys um my homies they um from brumfanteen sex in china
44:25and uh selama rights they they have their uh podcast as well you know what i'm saying so yeah
44:32yeah i'm definitely i'm definitely gonna hit them up and then you're gonna make a plan for for you guys
44:38to come um especially the the ochis for for for ass hip-hop
44:46because we feel like we feel like no doubt man you know what we're at we're here we're ready to
44:50um
44:51be a part of things that are moving you know yeah yeah because i feel like yo if if we
44:57start with you
44:57guys then you know you you guys can give the direction to the to the younger generation
45:04um and let's try and create that balance because every genre you know the young and the old are working
45:12with each other so i don't know why why we can't embrace that within our our genre i don't know
45:19it's probably because of too much repetition so your signal's sabotaging you a little bit there i
45:26missed a little bit of what you just said yeah yeah i was saying yeah i was saying like um
45:31with other
45:31genres like you you see the older generation in the younger generation working with one another so i was
45:37like yo why why that's so difficult like in in in in in in hip-hop is it is it
45:45because of uh the too
45:46much competitiveness and stuff um you broke up a little bit there but i'm gonna try piece together
45:53what you said what i did here was something about the old generation and the new generation working
45:57together and why it's it's not happening in hip-hop well i don't know man because um i think it's
46:06i
46:06think it's super necessary right because uh and i think what what tends to happen though which contributes
46:12to to it not happening is like it's like some people are like too too stuck in their ways too
46:21set in
46:22their ways right like so people from the boombap era i think we can call my era the boombap era
46:26um
46:28there haven't been that welcoming to the changing sound right so so fads music changes the sounds change
46:38the beats change the you know what i mean so if you're not embracing of that change and you you've
46:45got this stance of like old school is the only school type thing then then it doesn't create a
46:52very symbiotic relationship you ain't trying to fuck with these new niggas um that's just how some some
47:00some of the the mcs so so there tends to be a bit of a standoff because between the old
47:04school and the
47:05new school yeah and that doesn't really contribute to like guys working together but i think the most
47:10evolved way to go would be to like because music is always going to change if there's one thing
47:15that's guaranteed bro like 90 70s music 80s music 90s music music in the 2000s like if there's one
47:22thing that's been guaranteed it's changed it's going to change the sound is going to change
47:27and all that kind of stuff and um just make peace with the change and you'll be all right
47:33i think i think a smart thing to do is try and learn pay attention to where the music is
47:38going how
47:39it's changing and then see how you can operate within that i mean you don't have to change
47:44everything that you do or whatever but understand understand it understand it and allow yourself to
47:50like evolve i think yeah for sure for sure for sure so so um at the moment are you planning
48:00on
48:00doing any performances since you're going to be doing the new project
48:08um no no not not at this point i mean i think once the once the once once we're at
48:13that point
48:13of release then there'll be performances and shows and all that kind of stuff but right now
48:18it's i mean right now i'm actually working on uh there's an agricultural project that i'm working on
48:25um so that's kind of what's front and center for me right now in my life
48:29um oh yeah definitely with the the wine and stuff are you are you are you into the wine business
48:35something wine no no not wine um it's actually rabbit farming it's actually rabbit farming long story
48:43it's that's a long story different podcast but um but that's that's that's kind of what i'm busy with
48:50right now okay and i like to try to yeah and then the the the the the lisila one the
48:58the the the merchant
48:59the the the clothing is that is that also you or are you doing it for someone else yeah that's
49:05also
49:05that's also us that's that's me that's me and my missus um that's us um yeah
49:15all right then then that means maybe we should um i don't know man so that means that okay maybe
49:21for for for for for for the lisila one then uh i'll try and do it on on on the
49:27bolus boot
49:27podcast on my other account i'll try to bring the both of you and then you guys can can can
49:33can share
49:34to us you can talk fashion yeah no doubt man i would appreciate that that would be cool yeah
49:44yeah because i feel like um you know um we need to have uh more of our artists or influences
49:52um
49:55consuming local products and stuff like that you know i'm saying i couldn't agree more bro i really
50:01could not agree more you know i think we need to we definitely need to like be on our own
50:08like and really support our own and like take take more pride in our own stuff whether it's music
50:15whether it's clothing um especially because especially because like we're capable but there's a lot of
50:22high quality that we do do here and sometimes i think it's just a mind it's just a mind state
50:28thing where we need to like get to a point where like okay our shit is the shit you know
50:34what i
50:34mean versus us assuming something is just dope just because it's from america or whatever the case might
50:41be so i couldn't agree with you more we need to fuck with our own shit more all right all
50:46right so let me
50:48leave it there because i wanna because i wanna i wanna invite you and the missus on polo's booth and
50:53then
50:53you guys can get to share the journey with us and then and stuff like that you know uh no
50:59doubt
50:59man we'll be waiting for that invite for sure for sure for sure for sure um og man i appreciate
51:06you
51:06so much for for for for letting me interview you uh it's been an honor thank you thank you for
51:12having
51:12me man yeah for sure for sure we definitely gonna discuss um even after this um yeah man wish you
51:20all the
51:20best um yeah hope you had a dope with the week thank you man yeah it's been it's been a
51:27good one
51:28it's been a good one for sure and um but thank you for having me on the show man no
51:32like um especially
51:35i think i think when you hit me up you referenced such old stuff so so it's nice to know
51:40that people
51:40are still remembered people still remember that some of that old stuff that we did and um it's been
51:46an honor and a pleasure to be on the show man i really i really had fun we should do
51:51it again so
51:51i'm hopefully hopefully closer to the time when i've got something to promote that's about to drop
51:57uh we can do something but uh thanks for having me man i like what you're doing
52:03um and we need more like this thank you yeah yeah i don't worry don't worry i still gotcha gotcha
52:09it's
52:09that there's some other things i i want to share with you but i'm not allowed to share here i
52:15won public
52:15but yeah i'll let you know um about it because it's gonna it's gonna involve you and and and envy
52:23so yeah
52:26okay now i you can put me on when it's when it's time to know for sure for sure for
52:32sure much love
52:36enjoy the weekend well no brother take it easy sure thanks cheers sure sure
52:47oh shout out guys that's such one thank you for joining say hello thank you hey you guys
52:53are trying late but don't worry i'm gonna save the the interview and then you guys can watch it later
52:59uh oh i see you wrote something for me as a brother i'm glad for the work you're putting on
53:05bigger for bringing my pet on we haven't gotten anything from him since the end verse and i do
53:10advocate him for him so let let his light shine from him from here oh man shout out definitely man
53:19definitely thanks thanks my brother thanks um yeah for sure for sure yeah we're gonna bring more
53:25more people on you know um you're definitely gonna see more of the og um
53:34mcbeth and and and the entire envils and everyone else and there are many other ogs
53:39also i think i need to try and and get hold of them and let's see how how we can
53:47um continue this
53:50this this movement the isy hip-hop but that's what's up major kid thanks for joining
53:56my foot uh jx circle thank you my brother c circle kept out shout out uh oh out of music
54:04monisha
54:04thank you shout out to monisha all the way to usa from usa thanks for for watching um
54:11um so ronnie uh amu ammunition thank you i'm i'm i'm a palwina thank you talk we get low still
54:18will
54:20uh smile oh okay yeah shout out shout out shout out um guys do check out this maya um
54:28pleasure what was her movie i forgot a movie yeah but do check it out smart apple um great actor
54:35no limit
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54:50shout out
54:50shout out shout out shout out to the og again macbeth so yeah we are man definitely
55:27i guess what happens are hard to break
55:32we keep so funky cause the funk is hard to
55:36say we separate the pussycats from the dogs the counterfeit from the pure when they have
55:40baked from the raw nigga i'm sick with no kill but the more medicine they gave me only start to
55:45make
55:46me more medicine and crazy man i kick that shit y'all niggas thought was dead that shit to make
55:50you make
55:51an ugly face and not your hair like i still got that fist in the airflow so before you talk
55:57shit bitch you best be careful might wanna measure the words when you're talking to the ruler get it
56:02measure the words ruler to the frogs who been claiming to be king while i was gone the all new
56:07way you niggas running the city is in america
56:12so yeah definitely yes it does miss the support thank you thank you do follow me uh
56:18keep you um let's see how you can do that also man red shukala thanks for joining dog ah man
56:28the show's already over
56:29but i'm not saying that you can go to the world but i'm not saying that you can check it
56:33out
56:34so i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure it's going to support the population season do check me out on my
56:40other account
56:42i'm not just also
56:44shout out guys
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