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The West Bengal government has transferred approximately 600 hectares of land to the Border Security Force (BSF) to facilitate fencing along the India-Bangladesh border.
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00:00Good evening, you're watching India First. I'm Gaurav Savant.
00:04The Border Security Force has finally been handed over approximately 600 hectares of land in West Bengal
00:11by the Shubhendu Adhikari government for border fencing along the India-Bangladesh border.
00:18Union Home Minister Amit Shah, he's visiting multiple borders, both on India's eastern and western planks.
00:25Today, he thanked the West Bengal Chief Minister Shubhendu Adhikari for swiftly handing over land within seven days of being
00:34sworn in.
00:35This matter had been hanging fire for years and years when Mamata Banerjee was Chief Minister of Bengal.
00:42The Home Minister had raised this issue multiple times with the West Bengal government.
00:48Letters had been sent, not one, not two, not three, but half a dozen letters were sent by the Union
00:55Home Ministry to the Mamata Banerjee government.
00:58Meetings were held between the Union Home Secretary and the State Chief Secretary.
01:03And yet, on a crucial border security issue, land was not handed over for years.
01:10Finally, finally, that land has been handed over.
01:14The Home Minister had raised this issue on the floor of the House, in Parliament,
01:20and yet land was not handed over when Mamata Banerjee was the Chief Minister.
01:24In fact, in recent election campaigns, Amit Shah made it an electoral issue.
01:29He urged the voters of Bengal, if the BJP was voted to power in West Bengal,
01:35then within 45 days, he said, land would be allocated to the Border Security Force
01:40to build a border fence and border outposts.
01:44In his first cabinet meeting, Shubhendu Adhikari as Chief Minister cleared transfer of land
01:49for fencing along that very sensitive chicken's neck area.
01:54About 27 kilometres in the Siliguri Corridor area.
01:58Imagine, in that very sensitive chicken's neck, land had not been handed over.
02:03But that was just one part.
02:04Amit Shah today said, illegal infiltrators in India are already feeling the pressure
02:10and many, they are voluntarily returning to Bangladesh.
02:13Because now, detention centres are coming up.
02:16They are being set up across Bengal to detect, delete and deport the illegals from our country.
02:22The big question is, if Shubhendu Adhikari government could transfer land in seven days,
02:28why could Mamata Banerjee government not do this for years,
02:32despite repeated requests and letters, seven letters written by the Home Ministry
02:37at the centre to the Chief Secretary of Bengal in writing.
02:41And the Home Minister said so on the floor of the House and Parliament.
02:45Is there then merit in the Bharatiya Janata Party saying that Trinamool Congress,
02:50their actions adversely impacted national security?
02:53And according to the BJP, TMC did this for vote bank politics, for Muslim appeasement politics.
03:00Will the transfer of land now lead to swift border fencing
03:05and prevent massive infiltration of illegal immigrants into our country,
03:09drugs and weapons coming into our country, and of course, terror attacks?
03:14Will the border fencing and border outposts prevent the smuggling of cattle
03:18from these very porous borders?
03:20Should all parties actually in our country, whatever be their political point of view,
03:26put India first and not vote bank politics first?
03:29We debate. That's coming up on India first.
03:32Also coming up on India first, end of the Siddharamaya era in Karnataka as Chief Minister.
03:38Is it finally curtains on that political drama?
03:42Or will there be a season two?
03:45Siddharamaya has proposed DK Shivkumar's name to be the next Chief Minister,
03:48as he put in his papers, but beyond visible optics,
03:52is there a meeting of the minds?
03:55Will there be a meeting of the hearts in the run-up to 2028 elections in this state?
04:00We'll get you details on that big story.
04:02I'm Gaurav Savant.
04:04As always, let's get you a top story from West Bengal first.
04:08And that's a big story.
04:10Infiltrators, leave on your own.
04:12Don't force us to keep you in holding centres and then deport you.
04:17This is Union Home Minister Amit Shah's big message as he continues his four-state border review,
04:24security review tour.
04:26Now, he was in Gujarat.
04:28He was in Gandhinagar.
04:29The Home Minister issued a direct warning to illegal infiltrators saying
04:33they should voluntarily return to their country
04:35before they are put in holding centres or detention centres.
04:41He specifically referred to West Bengal,
04:43said infiltrators who leave on their own will not face criminal cases.
04:47He said the Shruvendu Adhikari government would actually facilitate
04:51their return process back to Bangladesh.
04:54But then he warned,
04:55once the verification exercise begins,
04:57then very strict action will follow
04:59against those who are found to be staying illegally in India.
05:02The Home Minister went on to praise the Bengal Chief Minister Shruvendu Adhikari
05:07and the West Bengal government
05:08for fulfilling the promise of handing over land to the Border Security Force
05:12for fencing and other development forces.
05:15So, a border area, it has to be fenced,
05:18then there has to be a movement lane,
05:20lights have to be put up
05:21and at various locations,
05:23BOPs or border outposts need to be constructed.
05:27Repeatedly, when this request was made,
05:29the West Bengal government earlier under Mamata Banerjee
05:31did not allocate the land.
05:32In fact, on the 27th of March, 2025,
05:36speaking in Lok Sabha,
05:37Amit Shah had said nearly 450 kilometres
05:40of the India-Bangladesh border in West Bengal
05:43remained unfenced.
05:45Due to TMC's appeasement politics,
05:47as he put it,
05:48for infiltrators.
05:50Despite 10 letters from him
05:52and 7 meetings between the Union Home Secretary
05:55and the State Chief Secretary,
05:57land acquisition was not completed.
06:00It remained stalled.
06:01TMC workers, he said,
06:03actually obstructed work
06:06when BSF tried to patrol that area
06:08or prevent infiltration
06:09or tried to build a border fence.
06:11Even today,
06:12he launched a frontal attack
06:14on the Dhrunmul Congress
06:14saying infiltrators had a free pass
06:17under the Mamata Banerjee government,
06:19turning Bengal into the biggest gateway
06:22for illegal cross-border movement.
06:25The Home Minister also spoke in detail
06:26about the high-level panel
06:28now constituted to study
06:30demographic shifts
06:32caused by illegal immigration.
06:37of the U.S.
06:47of the U.S.
06:58of the U.S.
07:00of the U.S.
07:11of the U.S.
07:13of the U.S.
07:19the U.S.
07:21of the U.S.
07:24of the U.S.
07:27of the U.S.
07:32So, the crackdown
07:34on illegal infiltration,
07:36the centre is moving ahead
07:38with this very high-level panel
07:40that's been set up.
07:41Demographic review
07:42that links infiltration
07:44directly to India's national security
07:45and, of course,
07:46social stability.
07:48Now, recently,
07:49the Union Home Minister
07:50had announced the constitution
07:51of a high-level committee
07:52on demographic change,
07:54saying that illegal infiltration
07:56and unnatural demographic change
07:58poses a huge threat
08:00to the nation's present
08:01and even our future.
08:04The Home Minister said
08:05the issue is linked
08:06not just to India's sovereignty,
08:08but also to India's national security,
08:10to law and order,
08:12to the social structure
08:13in our country,
08:14and, of course,
08:14the protection of tribal communities
08:16in our country.
08:17The committee has now been tasked
08:19to carry out
08:20a scientific assessment
08:22of demographic changes
08:23across the country
08:24arising from illegal immigration
08:26and other abnormal reasons.
08:28Now, this committee
08:29will analyse population shift
08:31among religious and social communities.
08:33They'll study causes,
08:35including cross-border movement
08:36and settlement patterns.
08:38This is very significant,
08:39studying settlement patterns
08:40and I'll tell you why.
08:41This committee will then recommend
08:44policy, legal and administrative measures
08:46that need to be taken
08:48to stem the tide
08:49and within a fixed time frame.
08:51The panel is expected
08:53to submit its report
08:53within a year.
08:54The committee will be chaired
08:56by former Supreme Court Judge
08:58Justice Prakash Prabhakar Nawalekar.
09:01Its members include
09:02Uttar Pradesh Chief Secretary,
09:04former Uttar Pradesh Chief Secretary,
09:05Durga Shankar Mishra,
09:06and former Bureau of Police Research
09:08and Development Chief,
09:09Balaji Srivastava,
09:10and, of course,
09:11respected economist Dr. Shamika Ravi,
09:13the Census Commissioner,
09:14and the Joint Secretary in Charge,
09:16of Foreigners Division
09:17in the Ministry of Home Affairs.
09:19This move follows
09:20Prime Minister Narendra Modi's
09:21announcement of this
09:22high-powered demographic mission
09:24during his Independence Day address
09:26from the ramparts of the Red Fort,
09:27where he flagged concerns
09:29over demographic imbalance,
09:31leading to,
09:31leading to illegal infiltration
09:33in the border areas
09:34and also in our tribal regions.
09:37Remember,
09:38when there was a terror attack
09:39at a military station,
09:41the Sanjuan military stations
09:42in Jammu and Kashmir,
09:44and a certain number
09:46of other terror attacks
09:47that have taken place
09:48in that very sensitive area,
09:50initial investigation
09:51seemed to reveal
09:52that a lot of illegal
09:54Rohingya settlements
09:56had come up very close
09:57and, in one instance,
09:58banged next to the gate,
10:00back gate
10:01of that sensitive military location.
10:04And why would Rohingyas
10:06of all the places
10:08go and settle down
10:09right next to a military installation
10:11in Jammu and Kashmir?
10:12That was the big question.
10:14As part of BJP's mission
10:16to secure Bengal's borders
10:18and crackdown on infiltration,
10:20Shwendu Adhikari government
10:21in Bengal
10:22has now begun
10:23handing over land
10:24to the Border Security Force
10:25for long-pending fencing
10:27and other border
10:28infrastructure projects.
10:30On the 11th of May,
10:31the Bengal Cabinet
10:32had announced
10:32that nearly 600 acres
10:34of land would be transferred
10:36within 45 days
10:37to facilitate border fencing
10:39and then strengthen
10:40the security infrastructure
10:41all along
10:42the India-Bangladesh border
10:44in the Bengal part of it.
10:46In Bengal,
10:47about 450 kilometers
10:48remain unfenced.
10:50The remaining was fenced.
10:51But now,
10:52the first phase
10:53of that process
10:54has been completed.
10:55A total of 142.79 acres
10:57of land
10:58has formally been handed over
11:00to the BSF
11:00across multiple border districts
11:02in Bengal.
11:03The bigger transfer
11:04that has taken place,
11:04biggest transfer
11:05is in that very sensitive
11:07Murshidabad area.
11:0938.8 acres
11:10followed by about
11:1135.16 acres
11:13in Jalpaiguri
11:14and another
11:1522.92 acres
11:16in Kooch, Pihar.
11:18Land has also been transferred
11:20in Dakshan Dinajpur,
11:22in Malda,
11:24in Darjaling,
11:25in Uttar Dinajpur,
11:26in Nadia
11:27and in North 24 Parganaz.
11:29This comes days after
11:30another 43 acres
11:31of purchased land.
11:34Purchased land
11:35and sanctioned orders
11:36for another
11:3731.9 acres
11:38of vested land
11:39were also handed over
11:41to the Border Security Force
11:42and this happened
11:43on the 20th of May.
11:46Now,
11:46I once again
11:47want to refer you
11:48to what the Home Minister
11:50said
11:51on the floor
11:52of the House
11:52in Lok Sabha
11:53on the 27th of March
11:562025.
11:57Amit Shah
11:58on the floor
11:59of the House
11:59said
12:00nearly 450 kilometers
12:02of India-Bangladesh
12:03border in West Bengal
12:04remained unfenced.
12:06He blamed
12:07the Trinamool Congress
12:09government.
12:09He blamed
12:10appeasement politics
12:12of the Trinamool Congress
12:14of the Mamata Banerjee
12:15government
12:15that time
12:15for infiltration
12:17that was taking place.
12:18Despite
12:1910 letters
12:20from the Union Home Ministry
12:21to the West Bengal
12:22government
12:23seven meetings
12:25between
12:25the then
12:26Home Secretary
12:27with the then
12:28State Chief Secretary
12:29land acquisition
12:30did not take place.
12:32TMC workers
12:33he said
12:34stalled
12:35they obstructed
12:37work that the BSF
12:38was doing
12:39in the border areas.
12:40The question is
12:41if Chief Minister
12:43Shuvendu Adhikari
12:44could do this
12:44in seven days
12:45is there merit
12:47in that question
12:48why could
12:49Mamata Banerjee
12:50not do it
12:51in over a decade?
12:53Joining me on India
12:54first is P.K. Mishra
12:55former Director General
12:56of the Border Security Force
12:57also with me
12:58is R.P. Singh
12:59National spokesperson
13:00of the Bharatiya Janata Party
13:01and Manojit
13:03Sir Jain
13:04Manojit Mandal
13:04is a political analyst
13:05who joins us
13:06on the show
13:08knows the lay of the land
13:09very well in Bengal.
13:10P.K. Mishra
13:11as
13:12somebody
13:13who served
13:14extensively
13:14across the border belt
13:16in our country
13:17as part of the
13:18border security force
13:19how desperately
13:20did the BSF
13:21need this land
13:22and will this land
13:23allotment
13:24and border fencing
13:25how will it
13:26help bring down
13:27whether it's
13:28infiltration
13:29or cattle smuggling?
13:32Gaurav
13:33first of all
13:34I will thank
13:34both
13:36Mr. Amisha
13:37and Mr. Subindu Adhikari
13:39what they have done
13:40to the country
13:41what they have done
13:42for the national security
13:44what they have done
13:45for the border security force
13:47what they have done
13:48to the Indo-Pengalaj
13:49border
13:49what they have done
13:51for security
13:52of West Bengal
13:52sell it to them
13:54and the BSF
13:55was trying hard
13:56for the last 15 years
13:57begging and begging
13:59Mamta's government
14:00to hand over the land
14:01for construction
14:02of fencing
14:03that are about
14:04450 kilometers
14:06at the land border
14:07and about
14:08of course
14:09122 kilometers
14:10of the river land border
14:11that will be seen
14:12by BSF
14:13that will be
14:13covered
14:14by electromagnetic
14:16fencing
14:17and satellite
14:17and drone cover
14:18but then
14:19these gaps
14:20were there
14:21and we were
14:22facing problem
14:23we could not
14:24cover that
14:24particular place
14:25and forget
14:27about cattle smuggling
14:28the jihadis
14:30were coming
14:31ISI agents
14:32were coming
14:33AQIS
14:34they were coming
14:35Jamatul Mujahid
14:36of Bangladesh
14:37they were entering
14:38drugs were coming
14:40weapons were coming
14:41what all
14:42Bangladesh
14:43was not doing
14:44it in Pakistan
14:45they were not
14:45doing it
14:46in our country
14:47through this
14:47forest border
14:49stay with me
14:50for a moment
14:50let me get
14:51Manojit Mandal
14:51to weigh in
14:52on this
14:53sir if the
14:54Shuvaindu Adhikari
14:55government
14:55could do it
14:56in 7 days
14:56why could
14:57Mamata Banerji
14:58government
14:58not do it
14:59in over a decade
15:00how would you
15:01read the situation
15:05I think the process
15:06started but clearly
15:07it appears that
15:09there was a kind
15:10of trust deficit
15:11between both the
15:12governments
15:13because of political
15:14regimes
15:14not just on this
15:15count
15:15but on many
15:16other counts
15:17but there's a
15:19further conclusion
15:19now
15:20if you talk about
15:21the infiltration
15:22program
15:22demographic changes
15:23and go by the
15:25data
15:26the maximum
15:27infiltration in
15:28Bengal
15:28if we at all
15:29link this with
15:30the demographic
15:31changes in the
15:31border district
15:32it took place
15:33between 1991
15:34to 2011
15:36and there's the
15:37data they're
15:37speaking for you
15:38from 20%
15:39in 1991
15:40it went up
15:42to 27%
15:43if the rise
15:44of Muslim
15:44population
15:45has got any
15:46connection with
15:47infiltration
15:47but then again
15:49the problem
15:50with that we had
15:51is that only
15:51Bengal was
15:52singled out
15:53we did not
15:54talk about
15:54Assam
15:54we did not
15:55talk about
15:55Manipur
15:56and other
15:56border districts
15:57where
15:57infiltration
15:58took place
15:59historically
15:59at the
16:00maximum rate
16:01like in
16:02Assam
16:03after 1971
16:04if we look
16:06at the data
16:06in 2011
16:09Sir
16:091971
16:10to 2026
16:12so let's
16:13just talk
16:13about the
16:14past 15
16:15years or 20
16:16years
16:16this is the
16:17period
16:17of course
16:17we all know
16:18what happened
16:18after 1971
16:19we all know
16:20what happened
16:21to you know
16:22General S.K.
16:22Sina's report
16:23when he said
16:23I go to the
16:24border areas
16:25I can't even
16:26recognize whether
16:26this is India
16:27or Bangladesh
16:27but that's not
16:28the point
16:28then
16:29we are talking
16:30about the
16:30situation now
16:31General S.K.
16:32the problem
16:32Mr. Gorbushar
16:34even if you
16:34speak about
16:35the data
16:35you do not
16:36have the
16:37patience to
16:37listen
16:37what I am
16:39saying is that
16:39all that
16:40infiltration
16:40happened
16:41happened then
16:41and everything
16:42is happening
16:43now
16:43there was no
16:44infiltration
16:44during
16:45Mamta Banerji's
16:46government
16:46that is your
16:47point sir
16:47that Amit
16:49Shah
16:50is indulging
16:51in political
16:51rhetoric
16:53again you
16:54are putting
16:54what's into
16:55my mouth
16:55because you
16:56don't allow
16:56me to
16:56complete
16:57there lies
16:57the problem
16:58and that's
16:59the simple
16:59reason that
17:00you know
17:00the media
17:00doesn't want
17:01to discuss
17:01this
17:01impartially
17:02I'm saying
17:03infiltration
17:04is a problem
17:05in this
17:05country
17:06including
17:06in
17:07USBENG
17:07but your
17:08problem
17:08is that
17:09you only
17:09single out
17:10WestBENG
17:10there lies
17:11the political
17:12political
17:12tussle
17:13there lies
17:13the problem
17:14I will get
17:15R.P. Singh
17:15to respond
17:16to it
17:16politically
17:17but from
17:18a national
17:18security
17:19last 15
17:19years
17:20we do not
17:20have any
17:21data
17:21but yes
17:22it must
17:23have taken
17:23place
17:25Mr. P.K.
17:26Mishra
17:26it's a
17:27historical
17:28problem
17:28it's forever
17:29been happening
17:30the worst
17:30happened after
17:311971
17:32Mamta Banerji
17:33being singled
17:34out in
17:34Bengal
17:34and before
17:35I bring
17:35in R.P. Singh
17:36for the
17:36political
17:36point
17:37you don't
17:38talk about
17:38infiltration
17:39from
17:40Assam
17:41and Tripura
17:42and other
17:43border belts
17:44you only talk
17:45about Bengal
17:45BSF only
17:47talks about
17:47Bengal
17:47is it because
17:48this was that
17:49450 kilometers
17:49that hasn't
17:50been fenced
17:51other areas
17:51have been
17:52fenced
17:52or is there
17:53another reason
17:56sir
17:57no I will
17:58tell you
17:58we had
17:59problem
18:00in Tripura
18:01and Assam
18:01also
18:02but they
18:02were settled
18:03they were
18:03settled
18:04by these
18:05two governments
18:05and in fact
18:06we have
18:07totally
18:07curbed
18:08ethical
18:08immigration
18:09coming from
18:09Bangladesh
18:10in Tripura
18:11and Assam
18:11even in
18:12Dhubri
18:13in the
18:14Dhubri
18:14belt
18:15these
18:16Cher
18:16islands
18:17we could
18:18immediately
18:18we could
18:19manage
18:19crossing
18:20from
18:21Maiman
18:22Singh
18:22to
18:22Gualpara
18:24and Dhubri
18:24all those
18:25persons
18:25are coming
18:26so in fact
18:27the infiltration
18:28is very
18:29less
18:29from Tripura
18:30border
18:31and also
18:31from Assam
18:32border
18:32because
18:33they were
18:33those
18:35particularly
18:35the river
18:36and belt
18:36we are
18:37covering it
18:37through
18:38different
18:38means
18:38I don't
18:39want to
18:39speak here
18:40how we
18:40are covering
18:41but
18:41here the
18:42land
18:43border
18:43we face
18:44problem
18:44in Bengal
18:45because
18:46the land
18:46border
18:47450
18:48kilometers
18:48a big
18:49patch
18:50and just
18:50see
18:52that also
18:53in Nadia
18:5424th
18:54North
18:5524th
18:55Paganaj
18:56Mursidabad
18:57Kuchbihar
18:58Malda
18:59these areas
19:00you see
19:00the demographic
19:01change
19:01it is all
19:03you go to
19:03Mankachar
19:04you don't
19:05find that
19:05you are in
19:06you feel
19:07as if you
19:07are in
19:08Bangladesh
19:08you are
19:08not in
19:09India
19:09they are
19:10the demographic
19:11change in
19:12maximum
19:12but I am
19:13very sure
19:14what all
19:15happened
19:15in Bengal
19:16the illegal
19:17migration
19:18it was
19:18purely
19:19for
19:20vote bank
19:20politics
19:21vote bank
19:22politics
19:22vote bank
19:23politics
19:23and
19:24I have
19:25reported
19:26from both
19:27Pirdwa
19:27and Mankachar
19:28even when
19:29BSF people
19:30were
19:31massacred
19:32there
19:32massacred
19:33they were
19:33massacred
19:34yes
19:35and I have
19:35reported
19:36from one
19:36ground
19:36but
19:37I have
19:37received
19:38the
19:38dead
19:38yes
19:38I remember
19:40sir
19:40I remember
19:41I had
19:42come with
19:42Mr.
19:42Gurwajan
19:42Jagat
19:43if you
19:43recall
19:43that time
19:44but I
19:44want to
19:44bring in
19:46Mr.
19:47R.P.
19:47Singh
19:47that you
19:48know
19:48for more
19:49on this
19:50Mamata
19:51Banerji
19:51has raised
19:52certain
19:53issues
19:53saying
19:55her government
19:56had also
19:56raised it
19:56that why
19:57is Bengal
19:57being singled
19:58out
19:58there is
19:58a problem
19:59of
19:59infiltration
20:00from Bangladesh
20:01and other
20:01parts also
20:02it's only
20:03politics for
20:04the BJP
20:04she also
20:05raised
20:06or the
20:06Trinamool
20:06Congress
20:07had also
20:07raised a
20:07very important
20:08point sir
20:08R.P.
20:09Singh
20:10said that
20:10BSF
20:11jurisdiction
20:11was arbitrarily
20:13increased
20:14and that
20:14was an attack
20:15on federalism
20:16that is
20:17why
20:17that was
20:18the issue
20:18she wanted
20:19addressed
20:19and not
20:20wanting to
20:21give land
20:22well on
20:23your show
20:23itself
20:24Gaurav
20:25the
20:27support
20:27person
20:28who supports
20:28TMC
20:29has admitted
20:29that it is
20:30because of
20:30the political
20:31reason
20:31he has just
20:32not said
20:32so
20:32and then
20:34the political
20:35reason was
20:35only well
20:36because
20:36it was
20:37all because
20:37of the
20:37vote bank
20:38politics
20:38the fact
20:39is that
20:40you are
20:40seeing
20:40long
20:40queues
20:41which are
20:42rushing
20:42through
20:42now
20:43you are
20:43seeing
20:43those
20:43pictures
20:43also
20:45where
20:46these
20:46people
20:46came
20:46from
20:47and then
20:48please
20:48I appreciate
20:48show the
20:50earlier
20:50interviews
20:51also
20:51your channel
20:52has interviewed
20:53such people
20:54they said
20:54that we
20:55were given
20:56sheltered
20:57and shielded
20:57by the TMC
20:58where our
20:59voter card
20:59were made
21:00by TMC
21:01and when
21:02asked
21:03whom
21:03we used
21:04to vote
21:04we used
21:04to vote
21:05TMC
21:05so
21:06this set
21:07of people
21:08were used
21:08as a
21:08vote
21:09bank
21:10and
21:10rightly so
21:11because
21:12they have
21:13been winning
21:13elections
21:14this time
21:14SIR
21:15has taken
21:16care of
21:17them
21:17and that's
21:17why
21:17they lost
21:18election
21:18but coming
21:19to the
21:19other issue
21:20also
21:21on Assam
21:22this
21:22262
21:23to 263
21:24kilometers
21:25of border
21:26everything
21:27has been
21:27taken care
21:28except
21:284.35
21:28kilometers
21:29which is
21:29the
21:30our
21:31VSF
21:33gentleman
21:33was saying
21:34but
21:34also
21:35there are
21:36sensor
21:36cameras
21:37in which
21:37he was
21:37trying to
21:37probably
21:38not to
21:39say so
21:39but
21:39the
21:40fact is
21:40that
21:40sensor
21:41cameras
21:41are being
21:42put
21:42there
21:42now
21:42the
21:43government
21:44is
21:46cooperating
21:46with the
21:47VSF
21:48to ensure
21:48that
21:49information
21:49doesn't
21:50happen
21:50and as
21:51far
21:51Tripura
21:51goes
21:52there is
21:52not a
21:52single
21:54inch of
21:55land
21:55which is
21:55without
21:56let me
21:57let me
21:58quickly
21:58get
21:58Monajit
21:59Mandel
22:00to respond
22:00to the
22:01points
22:01you have
22:02raised
22:02Monajit
22:03Mandel
22:03would you
22:04want to
22:05look at
22:06this aspect
22:07of land
22:07not being
22:08allocated
22:09during
22:09Mamta Banerjee's
22:10regime between
22:112011 and
22:122026
22:13and land
22:14suddenly being
22:15allocated
22:16within 7
22:17days
22:17do you
22:17notice that
22:18difference sir
22:19and how
22:19would you
22:20read this
22:20that people
22:21are now
22:22voluntarily
22:22going back
22:23to Bangladesh
22:24yeah
22:24very correct
22:27I again
22:28repeat
22:28there was a
22:29trust deficit
22:30between the
22:31earlier two
22:31governments
22:32largely because
22:33of political
22:34reason
22:34but still
22:35the process
22:36started
22:36Sir there may
22:38have been
22:38trust deficit
22:39permit me to
22:39ask you a
22:40counter question
22:40if there is
22:41trust deficit
22:42will you cut
22:43your nose
22:44to spite
22:44your face
22:45there is
22:45trust deficit
22:46with the
22:46centre
22:47so you will
22:47not allocate
22:48land
22:48so that
22:49border
22:49fencing
22:49can take
22:50place
22:50so that
22:51the country
22:51suffers
22:52because your
22:53vested
22:53political
22:54interests
22:54are not
22:54being met
22:55it's just
22:55a question
22:56kindly do
22:57sir
22:57kindly do
22:58in Assam
23:02you had
23:03the government
23:04for the last
23:0510 years
23:05please give
23:07us the data
23:08how many
23:09how many
23:09Bangladeshis
23:10you have been
23:11sent back
23:11so far
23:12you have
23:13the data
23:14the government
23:15suggests that
23:16there are
23:166,000 in
23:17the last
23:1810 years
23:18so what
23:19does it
23:20suggest
23:20is it
23:21the only
23:21problem
23:21central to
23:22west bank
23:23north
23:24answer is
23:24clear
23:25no
23:25on the
23:25other
23:26other
23:26hand
23:26there is
23:27an
23:27affidavit
23:27on the
23:28government
23:29side
23:29in the
23:30supreme
23:30court
23:30of
23:30india
23:31he is
23:32switching
23:33their
23:33goalpost
23:34come on
23:35the subject
23:35sir
23:36no
23:36sir
23:38permit him
23:38to make
23:39his point
23:39because he is
23:39raising some
23:40very pertinent
23:41questions
23:41from how
23:42many other
23:43places
23:44are people
23:44going back
23:44go on
23:45mr.
23:45mandal
23:45complete
23:46your
23:46point
23:46sir
23:46which
23:46is
23:46which
23:52okay
23:53give me
23:53give me
23:53a moment
23:54give me
23:54a moment
23:54we'll
23:55reestablish
23:55this link
23:55with
23:56monajeet
23:56mandal
23:56in just
23:57a moment
23:57but
23:57rp singh
23:59complete
23:59your point
23:59as we
24:00wait
24:00for mr.
24:00mandal's
24:00connection
24:01to be
24:01reestablished
24:01well
24:02well
24:02very
24:03clearly
24:04the
24:04subject
24:05is
24:05that
24:05whether
24:06there's
24:06a
24:08fencing
24:08which is
24:08left
24:09as far
24:10the
24:10border
24:11goes
24:11yes
24:11or
24:12no
24:12not a
24:13single
24:13inch
24:13of
24:13land
24:14which
24:14is
24:14left
24:14without
24:15fencing
24:15in
24:16Assam
24:16today
24:16and
24:17also
24:18in
24:18other
24:22parts
24:24Meghalaya
24:24but
24:25Manipur
24:26is a
24:26different
24:26story
24:27but
24:27I'll
24:27come to
24:27that
24:27story
24:29but
24:31Manipur
24:31is a
24:31very
24:32sensitive
24:32issue
24:32sir
24:32we're
24:33sitting
24:33on a
24:34very
24:35difficult
24:35situation
24:36there
24:36but
24:37that's
24:37another
24:37debate
24:37go on
24:38sir
24:38complete
24:38your
24:38point
24:38but
24:39problem
24:39is
24:40that
24:40they
24:40wanted
24:40to
24:40shield
24:41people
24:41like
24:41Anupurut
24:41Mandel
24:42who
24:43was
24:43part
24:44of
24:44the
24:44cattle
24:46smuggling
24:46and
24:47he was
24:48shielded
24:48by the
24:49government
24:49he was
24:49part
24:49of
24:49the
24:50TMC
24:50he
24:51was
24:52so
24:54to
24:55shield
24:55all
24:56such
24:56corrupt
24:56practices
24:57and
24:57to
24:57ensure
24:58that
24:58the
24:58people
24:59who
24:59come
24:59from
24:59Bengal
25:01from
25:02Bangladesh
25:02they
25:03are
25:03treated
25:04as
25:04the
25:04voter
25:04here
25:05and
25:05they
25:05are
25:06used
25:06as
25:06a
25:06vote
25:06bank
25:07there
25:07is
25:07a
25:08very
25:08simple
25:08reason
25:08that
25:08he
25:09has
25:09admitted
25:09that
25:09it
25:10was
25:10because
25:10of
25:10political
25:11reason
25:11they
25:11were
25:11being
25:11so
25:11okay
25:13Mr. Mishra
25:13now
25:14that
25:14land
25:14has
25:14been
25:15allocated
25:16how
25:16long
25:16will
25:17it
25:17take
25:17for
25:17a
25:17fence
25:17to
25:18come
25:18up
25:18and
25:19to
25:20bring
25:20down
25:20infiltration
25:21because
25:21the
25:21TMC
25:22asks
25:22this
25:22is
25:23BSF's
25:23failure
25:24that
25:24you
25:24weren't
25:25able
25:25to
25:25stop
25:25infiltration
25:26you
25:26were
25:26not
25:27able
25:27to
25:27stop
25:27cattle
25:28smuggling
25:28from
25:29our
25:29country
25:29into
25:30Bangladesh
25:31all
25:31of
25:32this
25:32was
25:32complicity
25:33of
25:33the
25:34BSF
25:34and
25:35unnecessarily
25:36Mamata
25:36Banerji's
25:37government
25:37was being
25:37blamed
25:38in
25:38Bengal
25:42I
25:42can
25:43well
25:43tell
25:44you
25:46definitely
25:47this
25:47is
25:47the
25:48task
25:48of
25:48BSF
25:49to
25:49check
25:50the
25:50infiltration
25:51so as
25:51also
25:51to
25:52check
25:52the
25:52cattle
25:52smuggling
25:53but
25:54you
25:54see
25:55if
25:56the
25:56border
25:56is
25:57porous
25:57if
25:58there
25:58is
25:58no
25:59fencing
26:00and
26:00if
26:012000
26:02cattle
26:02they
26:02go
26:03without
26:03fencing
26:04and
26:04the
26:04open
26:04is
26:04there
26:05do
26:05you
26:05think
26:05that
26:05our
26:06troops
26:07they
26:07will
26:08keep
26:08on
26:08firing
26:08on
26:09the
26:09cattle
26:09and
26:09kill
26:10them
26:11how come
26:11the
26:12cattle
26:12they
26:13come
26:13to
26:13the
26:13border
26:13they
26:14come
26:14from
26:15UP
26:15Haryana
26:16Punjab
26:16Odisha
26:17Jharkand
26:18by
26:18trucks
26:18to
26:19the
26:19border
26:19how
26:20they
26:20come
26:20passing
26:21through
26:21all
26:22the
26:22national
26:22highway
26:22in
26:23Bengal
26:24terrain
26:25in
26:25Bengal
26:25national
26:26highway
26:26why
26:27they
26:27can't
26:27be
26:27checked
26:27at
26:28Bengal
26:28all
26:29the
26:29check
26:29points
26:30how
26:30can
26:31they
26:31come
26:31to
26:31the
26:32border
26:33that's
26:33a very
26:33pertinent
26:34point
26:34to
26:34make
26:35and
26:35RP
26:36Singh
26:37Rajasthan
26:38has a
26:38BJP
26:38government
26:39Madhya
26:39Pradesh
26:39has a
26:40BJP
26:40government
26:40Chhattisgarh
26:41has a
26:42BJP
26:42government
26:43now
26:43Bengal
26:44has a
26:44BJP
26:45government
26:45why
26:45couldn't
26:46they
26:46be
26:46stopped
26:46at
26:47multiple
26:47states
26:49this
26:50it's
26:51been
26:51going
26:51on
26:52rampantly
26:52for
26:53decades
26:56Gaurav
26:57the
26:57major
26:58influx
26:58happens
26:58from
26:59West
27:00Bengal
27:02only
27:03and
27:03as
27:04I
27:04told
27:04you
27:04Assam
27:05there
27:05is
27:05not
27:05an inch
27:06of
27:06land
27:06left
27:07without
27:07fencing
27:07cattle
27:09smuggling
27:10aspect
27:10cattle
27:11from
27:11across
27:11the
27:11country
27:12brought
27:12to
27:12Bengal
27:12to
27:13be
27:13sent
27:13across
27:13so
27:14many
27:14states
27:15to
27:15stop
27:15it
27:17so
27:17the
27:18state
27:18government
27:18will
27:19act
27:19on
27:20it
27:20and
27:20must
27:20act
27:20on
27:20it
27:21but
27:21coming
27:21to
27:21one
27:22point
27:22which
27:22you're
27:22missing
27:22on
27:23which
27:23is
27:23a
27:23chicken
27:23neck
27:24point
27:24also
27:24which
27:25has
27:25been
27:25handed
27:25over
27:25national
27:26heavy
27:26authority
27:26also
27:27which
27:27is
27:27another
27:28big
27:29point
27:30of
27:30contention
27:30between
27:31the
27:31West
27:31Bengal
27:31government
27:31and
27:32the
27:32center
27:32also
27:34okay
27:34now
27:35Morjit
27:35Mandal
27:35if I
27:36have
27:36your
27:36connection
27:36back
27:37two
27:37very
27:37sensitive
27:38issues
27:39one
27:39Tridamul
27:40Congress
27:40being accused
27:41of
27:41Muslim
27:41appeasement
27:42politics
27:42putting
27:43that
27:44over
27:44national
27:45security
27:45look at
27:46the
27:47massive
27:47mandate
27:47given
27:48to
27:48the
27:48BJP
27:48across
27:49Bengal
27:49the
27:50home
27:53will
27:53allocate
27:53land
27:54Shavindu
27:54Adhikari
27:55instead of
27:5545 days
27:56has done
27:56it in
27:567 days
27:57is there
27:58a message
27:58there for
27:59the
27:59Tridamul
28:00Congress
28:00moving ahead
28:02I do
28:03not think
28:04this mandate
28:04is only
28:05because of
28:06the
28:06infiltration
28:07or anything
28:08of that
28:08thought
28:08there were
28:09other
28:10reasons
28:10of course
28:10and we
28:11can discuss
28:12that on
28:12a different
28:13platform
28:13altogether
28:14but what
28:16I am
28:16trying to
28:17suggest
28:17is this
28:17how much
28:19infiltration
28:19have taken
28:20place in
28:20the last
28:2115 years
28:22we do
28:23not have
28:23a concrete
28:24data to
28:24suggest
28:25we will
28:26know that
28:26once this
28:27demographic
28:27committee
28:28in the
28:28next one
28:29year
28:29is able
28:30to submit
28:31its report
28:31yes
28:32but barely
28:33if you
28:34connect it
28:35with the
28:35demographic
28:35changes
28:36the 27%
28:38of the
28:38Muslim
28:38populations
28:39have risen
28:40to 33%
28:41in the
28:41last 15
28:42years
28:42just barely
28:433 to
28:444%
28:45but in
28:46some areas
28:47it's much
28:47higher sir
28:48in some
28:49areas it's
28:49much higher
28:50I am talking
28:50about the
28:50overall rate
28:51I am talking
28:52about the
28:52overall rate
28:53but in
28:54the border
28:54belt of
28:56West Bengal
28:56specifically the
28:57border belt
28:58of West
28:59Bengal
28:59but again
29:00on that
29:01very sensitive
29:01chicken's neck
29:02area
29:02the entire
29:03security of
29:04the country's
29:04northeast
29:05depends on
29:06that Siliguri
29:07corridor
29:07even there
29:08land was not
29:10allocated
29:10for once
29:11why could
29:12our political
29:12leaders and
29:14parties not
29:14put India
29:15first
29:15yes you have
29:16your political
29:17differences
29:17but why not
29:18put India
29:19first on a
29:20national security
29:20issue I
29:21leave our
29:22viewers to
29:23judge that
29:23I you know
29:24this is something
29:25that we will
29:25come back to
29:26over the next
29:27several days
29:27but for the
29:28moment I want
29:29to shift to
29:29the other big
29:30story that we're
29:31tracking here on
29:32India today and
29:33that is the
29:33game of thrones
29:34in Karnataka
29:35now that's reached
29:36a very dramatic
29:36climax right now
29:38after months
29:39perhaps years
29:41of backroom
29:43negotiations
29:43growing pressure
29:45from DK
29:45Shivkumar's
29:46camp on the
29:46high command
29:47finally because
29:48he kept
29:49insisting it's
29:49a 2.5
29:50year 2.5
29:51year formula
29:51that had been
29:52agreed to
29:53Siddharamaya
29:54has finally
29:55stepped down as
29:56chief minister
29:56of Karnataka
29:57three years
29:58into the
29:59congress
29:59government's
30:00tenure
30:00on paper
30:01the transition
30:03looks very
30:04smooth
30:04Siddharamaya
30:05and DK
30:05Shivkumar
30:06they hugged
30:07they you know
30:08sat together
30:09they ate
30:10together
30:10DK Shivkumar
30:11touched Siddharamaya's
30:12feet
30:13though they
30:13projected unity
30:14no objections
30:15no complaints
30:16but behind
30:18the scenes
30:19beneath the
30:19smiles
30:20is there a
30:21power struggle
30:21that will
30:23continue to
30:23haunt the
30:24congress party
30:25because it
30:25has haunted
30:26the congress
30:26party in the
30:27past three
30:28years
30:28the congress
30:29high command
30:29it believes
30:30it's diffused
30:31the crisis
30:32but is it
30:32only for now
30:33will there be
30:34a season
30:342 of
30:35this
30:36Nataka
30:36in Karnataka
30:37we get you
30:38more in this
30:39report
30:58the long
30:59standing
31:00leadership
31:00tussle
31:01in Karnataka
31:01has finally
31:02reached its
31:03climax
31:03not after
31:05the much
31:05speculated
31:06two and a
31:06half year
31:06power sharing
31:07formula
31:07but exactly
31:09days after
31:09the congress
31:10government
31:10completed
31:11three years
31:11in office
31:12the baton
31:13is set
31:13to pass
31:14from
31:14Sidramaya
31:15to
31:15DK
31:15Shivakumar
31:16and the
31:17transition
31:18at least
31:19on camera
31:19appears
31:20smooth
31:21cordial
31:22and carefully
31:24choreographed
31:26Sidramaya
31:26has stepped
31:27down
31:27as Karnataka
31:28chief
31:28minister
31:29clearing
31:29the decks
31:30for the
31:30Shivakumara
31:31Sarkara
31:31he submitted
31:33his resignation
31:34to the
31:34governor's
31:35special
31:35secretary
31:36in the
31:36absence
31:37of
31:37governor
31:37Thawachan
31:39Gehalot
31:40and confirmed
31:41the inevitable
31:42DK
31:44Shivakumar
31:44will be
31:45the
31:45chief
31:45minister
31:59he also
32:00thanked the
32:01Gandhi
32:01family for
32:02the opportunity
32:02he got
32:03to serve
32:04as CM
32:28Sidramaya
32:29also
32:29rejected
32:29high
32:30command's
32:30Delhi
32:30Darbar offer
32:31insisting
32:32he has
32:33more
32:33to give
32:34in
32:34Karnataka
32:34politics
33:01The
33:02resignation
33:03was
33:03preceded by
33:04a
33:04breakfast
33:04meeting
33:05at
33:05Sidramaya's
33:06residence
33:06where he
33:07informed
33:08cabinet
33:08colleagues
33:08of his
33:09decision
33:10for now
33:11the
33:12congress
33:12high
33:12command
33:13appears
33:13to have
33:14pulled
33:14off
33:14what
33:15many
33:15believed
33:16would
33:16be
33:17impossible
33:17a
33:18smooth
33:19transfer
33:19of
33:19power
33:20without
33:20open
33:21rebellion
33:22resignations
33:23or a
33:24split
33:24in the
33:25Karnataka
33:25unit
33:54Bureau
33:56report
34:24I'm
34:56there will
34:56be a
34:56question
34:57asked
34:57of how
34:57much control
34:58DK
34:58Shivkumar
34:58ultimately
34:59has
34:59and let
35:00me take
35:00that
35:01question
35:01to
35:01Mosmee
35:02Singh
35:02because
35:03Mosmee
35:03on the
35:04face
35:04of it
35:05it's
35:05been
35:05smooth
35:06and
35:06Mosmee
35:06congratulations
35:07you had
35:07it
35:07absolutely
35:09spot on
35:09that it
35:10would be
35:10DK
35:11Shivkumar
35:11and that
35:12change
35:12of guard
35:12is
35:12happening
35:13so on
35:13the
35:13face
35:14of it
35:14it's
35:14all
35:14smooth
35:15but
35:16Siddhar
35:16Ramayya
35:17is flying
35:17to Delhi
35:17I believe
35:18because of
35:18bad weather
35:19his flight
35:19is now
35:19held up
35:20in
35:20Jaipur
35:20but he
35:21apparently
35:21is bringing
35:22a list
35:22would
35:23that
35:23list
35:24be
35:24DK
35:25Shivkumar's
35:32thank you
35:32Gaurav
35:33for that
35:33compliment
35:34but
35:34you know
35:35at India
35:35today
35:36we do
35:36follow
35:36the gold
35:37standards
35:37of journalism
35:38and
35:38we've seen
35:39that
35:39when you
35:40cover
35:40defence
35:40and
35:41we try
35:42to do
35:42our best
35:43in the
35:43relentless
35:43pursuit
35:44of news
35:45even in
35:45politics
35:46and
35:47we are
35:48at it
35:48I'm at
35:49Karnataka
35:49Bhawan
35:51but the
35:52flight is
35:52not coming
35:53anytime soon
35:54it's been
35:54a very
35:55long
35:55wait
35:55for us
35:56as we've
35:56taken on
35:57the
35:57baitan
35:57from
35:58Akshita
35:58and all
35:58the
35:59other
35:59our
35:59colleagues
36:00but very
36:01importantly
36:01as you
36:02pointed out
36:02big headache
36:03not only
36:04for DK
36:05Shivkumar
36:05but also
36:06for
36:07the
36:07party
36:08high
36:08command
36:08and
36:09you know
36:10Siddhar
36:11Ramayya
36:11very
36:12interestingly
36:12you know
36:15submitted
36:15the caste
36:16survey report
36:17even the
36:18first thing
36:19that he
36:19did
36:19when he
36:20went back
36:20to Delhi
36:21after that
36:21one on
36:22one meeting
36:22with Rahul
36:23Gandhi
36:23where Rahul
36:24Gandhi
36:24asked him
36:24to step
36:25down
36:25so that
36:26was the
36:26first big
36:27headache
36:27that DK
36:28Shivkumar
36:29would have
36:29to tackle
36:30in the next
36:31two years
36:31and now
36:32with this
36:32list
36:33that he
36:34is getting
36:34of course
36:35the party
36:35high command
36:36would be
36:36more
36:37you know
36:38would be
36:39reaching out
36:39to Siddhar
36:40Ramayya
36:40and give him
36:41a patient
36:42hearing on
36:42that one
36:43we'll have
36:44to wait
36:44and see
36:44but I
36:45think
36:45DK Shivkumar
36:47would be
36:47ready for
36:48that
36:48it's been
36:49a very
36:49long
36:50wait
36:50for him
36:50or will
36:53it be
36:53Ahinda
36:53versus
36:54you know
36:54that
36:55caste
36:55census
36:55that you
36:56mentioned
36:56and Mosmee
36:56stay with
36:57me
36:57Akshita
36:58for the
36:58moment
36:58many
36:58thanks
36:58for
36:59joining
36:59me
36:59I want
36:59to
36:59quickly
37:00bring
37:00in
37:00our
37:00guests
37:01on the
37:01show
37:01on this
37:02it's
37:03curtains
37:03on the
37:03Nataka
37:04for the
37:04Karnataka
37:04Chief Minister
37:05or will
37:06there be
37:06season 2.0
37:08season 2
37:08of this
37:09drama
37:10our Rajya
37:10Gopalan
37:11is a very
37:11senior
37:11journalist
37:12and analyst
37:13joins us
37:13on this
37:14show
37:14sir
37:14welcome
37:14Syed Asad
37:15and Professor
37:17Sanjal Shastri
37:18also join me
37:19on this
37:19broadcast
37:21Rajya
37:22Gopalan
37:22sir
37:22good decision
37:23finally by the
37:24congress leadership
37:25smooth transition
37:26with Siddharam
37:26proposing
37:27DK Shivkumar's
37:28name
37:28or
37:29does the
37:30devil lie
37:31in the
37:31detail
37:31can there
37:32be a
37:32twist in
37:32the tail
37:33when he
37:34says
37:34I'm not
37:35going
37:35anywhere
37:35I'm
37:35here
37:36or
37:36what's
37:36that
37:37effect
37:38it's
37:38a very
37:39good
37:39decision
37:40for the
37:40transformation
37:41of
37:41the power
37:43very
37:43very
37:43smooth
37:44and we
37:44welcome
37:45it
37:45but
37:45as
37:45you
37:46know
37:46Vasangi
37:46and
37:47you
37:47know
37:47actually
37:48I
37:48said
37:48there
37:49are
37:49four
37:50traps
37:50Mr.
37:51Siddharam
37:51laid
37:51before
37:52Rahul
37:52Gandhi
37:52and
37:53Shivkumar
37:54one is
37:55very
37:55important
37:56who
37:57is
37:57going
37:57to
37:57fill
37:58the
37:58gap
37:58of
37:58Karubas
37:59Muslim
37:59Dalit
38:00that's
38:00Ahinda
38:00that
38:01is
38:01going
38:02to
38:02be
38:02because
38:0275
38:03to
38:0380
38:03seats
38:04you
38:04know
38:04Abbas
38:05testify
38:06my
38:06details
38:08second
38:08thing
38:09most
38:09important
38:09thing
38:10is
38:10very
38:11very
38:11you
38:11know
38:12formulation
38:13of
38:13Mr.
38:14Rahul
38:14Gandhi
38:15was
38:17Siddharam
38:18wants
38:18his
38:19man
38:19as
38:19chief
38:20of
38:21Karnataka
38:22Pradesh
38:22Congress
38:22Committee
38:23that
38:24means
38:24Shivkumar's
38:25powers
38:25are very
38:26much
38:26reduced
38:26second
38:27as
38:27Mosambi
38:28said
38:28the
38:29OBC
38:29card
38:30Siddharam
38:31will play
38:31it
38:32and that
38:32will
38:32become
38:32a
38:32problem
38:33for
38:33Mr.
38:34Siddharam
38:34and I
38:35expect
38:35don't
38:37mistake
38:37me
38:37Mr.
38:38Siddharam
38:38is in
38:39the
38:39formation
38:40not
38:41accepting
38:42Rajasaba
38:43means
38:43he does
38:44not know
38:44Hindi
38:45he does
38:45not want
38:46to come
38:46to Delhi
38:47thereby
38:48by early
38:492027
38:50he may
38:51form a
38:52political
38:52party
38:53of
38:54history
38:54that's
38:54another
38:54twist
38:55in the
38:55tale
38:56that's
38:56a
38:56googly
38:56that
38:56you
38:57bold
38:58let
38:59Mosambi
39:00Singh
39:00reply to
39:01that
39:04Mosambi
39:05very few
39:06people
39:06understand
39:07and report
39:08the Congress
39:08as well
39:09as you
39:09do
39:09but tell
39:10me
39:10something
39:10is this
39:11something
39:11that the
39:12Congress
39:12central
39:12leadership
39:13would fear
39:13before I
39:14bring in
39:14Professor
39:15Shastri
39:15and
39:15Sayyad
39:16Asab
39:16Bas
39:16Mosambi
39:17you want
39:17to quickly
39:17respond
39:18is that
39:19a fear
39:20that
39:20Sidharam
39:20by 2027
39:22could float
39:23his own
39:23party
39:28you know
39:29the speed
39:30with which
39:31Sidharam
39:32has accepted
39:33what the
39:33party
39:34high command
39:34said
39:34as far as
39:35stepping down
39:35is concerned
39:36one would
39:37think that
39:38the transformation
39:38is easy
39:39but if
39:40you read
39:40between the
39:41lines
39:41there's
39:42lots
39:42brewing
39:42and
39:44the body
39:45language
39:46in the
39:46press
39:47conference
39:47as Sidharam
39:49spoke
39:49he also
39:50mentioned
39:51about
39:51CLP
39:52meeting
39:52and who
39:53the MLA's
39:54choose
39:54so there
39:54is a lot
39:55of ifs and
39:56buts in
39:57this smooth
39:57transition
39:58and the
39:59OBC card
39:59as sir
40:02rightly pointed
40:03out
40:03is one of
40:04the biggest
40:04cards
40:05that Sidharam
40:06could use
40:07to pressurize
40:08the party
40:08high command
40:09that it's
40:10all is not
40:10well if
40:11DK Shivkumar
40:12is heading
40:13the entire
40:14government
40:14and he
40:15should get
40:15more elbow
40:16room
40:17and in
40:18politics
40:18one can't
40:19rule out
40:19whether if
40:20he's not
40:20accommodated
40:21enough
40:22he charts
40:23a different
40:23territory
40:24but I think
40:24that's still
40:25is that a
40:26curveball
40:28that Rajagopal
40:29has just
40:30bowled
40:31and two
40:33points here
40:34quickly
40:34one
40:35on this
40:36who will
40:37be Karnataka
40:37Pradesh
40:38Congress
40:38Committee
40:39Chief
40:39and this
40:40list
40:40that Sidharam
40:41is coming
40:42to Delhi
40:42with
40:43so for
40:43the moment
40:44that list
40:44remains in
40:45Jaipur
40:45but could
40:46that be
40:46a nightmare
40:46not just
40:47for DK
40:47Shivkumar
40:48but also
40:48for the
40:49central
40:49leadership
40:49sir
40:51yes
40:51Gaurav
40:52and I
40:52think that's
40:53going to
40:53be one of
40:53the challenges
40:54that
40:56though you
40:57have had
40:58a handover
40:58of the
40:58guard
40:59when it
40:59comes to
40:59the
41:00Chief
41:00Minister
41:00I think
41:01Sidharam
41:01has made
41:02it very
41:02clear that
41:03he's going
41:03to be
41:03present
41:05very much
41:05so in
41:06the Karnataka
41:08Assembly
41:08and very
41:08active in
41:09Karnataka
41:09politics
41:10within the
41:11Karnataka
41:11Congress
41:12so there
41:13is going
41:14to be
41:14that pressure
41:16I'm not
41:17too sure
41:17whether it's
41:18going to
41:18the extent
41:18I'm not
41:19going to
41:19comment on
41:20the new
41:20party
41:21formation
41:21but then
41:22within the
41:23party
41:23there are
41:24going to
41:24be
41:25multiple
41:25there could
41:26possibly be
41:27multiple
41:27power centers
41:28and that's
41:28something the
41:29Congress will
41:29have to work
41:30to avoid
41:31because the
41:32way I see
41:33this going
41:34into 2028
41:35it's going
41:35down to two
41:36parts
41:37the best
41:38possible option
41:39for the
41:39Congress
41:40is this
41:42transition works
41:42out smoothly
41:43you have a
41:44fresh leadership
41:45two years
41:46before the
41:46election and
41:47that helps
41:47you blunt
41:47sound the
41:48anti-incumbency
41:49on the flip
41:50side it could
41:50go worse
41:51where you
41:52actually have
41:53a factional
41:53fight that
41:54continues which
41:55then sort of
41:56handicaps the
41:57administration for
41:58the next two
41:58years now it's
41:59up to the
42:00Congress how
42:00they deal with
42:01it to prevent
42:01the second
42:02thing from
42:02happening
42:03so Syed Abbas
42:05Syed Abbas
42:06you know one
42:07Eid Mubarak and
42:08two you want to
42:09quickly respond to
42:10this sir do you
42:11see it move
42:12forward smoothly
42:13from this point
42:14on or could
42:15it be a huge
42:17crisis for the
42:17Congress there
42:18are local body
42:19elections that are
42:20coming up ahead
42:21of 2028 sir
42:23absolutely sir
42:24the greater
42:24Bengaluru
42:25authority elections
42:26are around the
42:27corner and that's
42:28a huge responsibility
42:29in the hands of
42:30DK Shiv Kumar and
42:31we Bangaloreans
42:32certainly deserve a
42:32good election and
42:34the right councillors
42:35to take care of
42:36the city and its
42:37infrastructure but
42:37yes Eid Mubarak to
42:38you Gaurav sahab and
42:39the wonderful viewers
42:40of India today
42:41there's a very
42:42famous line sir
42:43which I read on
42:44your channel
42:45Nataka in
42:46Karnataka it
42:48aptly summarizes
42:49what is happening
42:50in a beautiful
42:50state but the
42:51fact of the
42:51matter is I
42:52truly believe a
42:53leader of the
42:54credibility like
42:55Sidra Maya it
42:56is definitely a
42:57smooth transition
42:58from here I
42:59know the
42:59Bhartyajanta party
43:00are friends of the
43:01opposition might
43:02deliberate on
43:03this might
43:03speculate on
43:04this but I
43:05can bet my
43:05life on this
43:06and tell you
43:06sir knowing
43:07Sidra Maya
43:08that there will
43:09be absolutely
43:09no party which
43:10will be floated
43:11by him he
43:12will definitely
43:12remain a loyal
43:14congressman and
43:15continue to work
43:16for the party
43:17let us also
43:17let us understand
43:18let me get
43:18Raj Gopala
43:19sir
43:1910 seconds
43:2010 seconds
43:22also a leader
43:23like Sidra Maya
43:24let us understand
43:25he is one of
43:26the most prolific
43:28leaders of the
43:28Ahinda movement
43:29the greatest social
43:30movement which
43:31took place in
43:32Karnataka
43:32be it the
43:33backward class
43:34SC, ST,
43:35Guru Baz
43:35he is one leader
43:36and under his
43:37leadership
43:38Karnataka
43:39why was such
43:39a tall OBC
43:41leader removed
43:41for no fault
43:42of his
43:43I will answer
43:43I will answer
43:44that
43:44no let me get
43:46Raj Gopala
43:46sir to take
43:47that because
43:47even if this
43:48transition had
43:49to take place
43:50even if this
43:50transition had
43:51to take place
43:52give me 30
43:53seconds sir
43:53Raj Gopala
43:54sir should this
43:55not have happened
43:56maybe six months
43:57earlier two and
43:58a half years
43:58two and a half
43:59years now one
44:00there is lesser
44:01time for DK
44:02Shiv Kumar
44:02two does he
44:04fight ahead
44:04or does he
44:05guard you
44:06know his
44:06flanks to
44:07see whether
44:08there is an
44:08attack coming
44:09from the
44:09rear
44:11Gaurav this
44:12intention of
44:13removing Mr.
44:14Siddharamaya
44:15came after
44:16Tamil Nadu
44:17Yali victory
44:17and Kerala
44:18victory not
44:19before that
44:19so you have
44:20to be very
44:21careful about
44:21the timings
44:22second thing
44:23Mozambi is
44:24following all
44:25the congress
44:25party very well
44:26as you and
44:27me did for
44:28congress for
44:29ages
44:29I want to
44:30ask Mozambi
44:31one simple
44:31question
44:32Shiv Kumar
44:33went to
44:36Mahakumb
44:37where Malik
44:38said don't
44:39go and
44:40Shiv Kumar
44:41went to
44:41Coimbatore
44:42Sadhguru's
44:43Shivaratri
44:44and sat
44:45next to
44:46Mr.
44:46Amitra
44:46that also
44:47was a
44:48signal but
44:48now I
44:49asked one
44:49simple
44:50question
44:50is
44:51Shiv Kumar
44:52taking
44:53congress
44:54away from
44:56OBC
44:56politics
44:57which
44:57Raghu
44:58Gandhi
44:58has been
44:58saying
44:59OBC
44:59OBC
45:00OBC
45:01where is
45:01that
45:01OBC
45:02now
45:03okay
45:03yeah
45:04that's
45:05the question
45:05which I'll
45:05get also
45:06to respond
45:07to that
45:08point
45:08but
45:08Moshmi
45:10is this
45:11very clever
45:12move by
45:13DK Shiv
45:13Kumar
45:14why
45:15lose the
45:16Hindutva
45:16you know
45:17plank to
45:18the BJP
45:19you have
45:19the OBC
45:20you have
45:20the
45:20Vokal
45:21Liga
45:21also
45:21try and
45:22get the
45:22wider
45:22Hindu
45:23vote
45:28see
45:29clearly
45:29what
45:30sir
45:30was
45:30also
45:31pointing
45:31out
45:31to
45:32both
45:32DK
45:33Shiv
45:33Kumar
45:34and
45:34Siddhar
45:35Ramayya
45:36have been
45:36towing
45:36different
45:38kind of
45:39politics
45:39and that's
45:41that's the big
45:41question that Rahul
45:42Gandhi will be
45:43confronted with
45:44and perhaps he has
45:46addressed that
45:46dilemma and
45:47taken this
45:48step
45:50thinking about
45:52the fact that
45:52what will be the
45:53impact on the
45:54entire
45:56politics
45:57and in fact
45:57we are told
45:58that Siddhar
45:59Ramayya
45:59showcased
46:00his politics
46:01and the
46:01umbrella
46:02that he had
46:02stitched
46:03the social
46:04umbrella
46:04to Rahul
46:05Gandhi
46:05saying
46:05you look
46:06at my
46:06performance
46:07the way
46:07I have
46:08done
46:08the social
46:09engineering
46:09so that
46:10was his
46:10strongest
46:11plank
46:11I think
46:12that
46:13we are
46:13coming to
46:15a decision
46:15very fast
46:16there will
46:17be a
46:18cabinet
46:18the cabinet
46:19could have
46:20a wider
46:20representation
46:21there could
46:22be deputy
46:22chief
46:23ministers
46:23that could
46:24take care
46:25of the
46:25caste
46:26equation
46:26having the
46:27OBCs
46:27represented
46:28and the
46:29backward
46:29classes
46:29represented
46:30in apt
46:32percentage
46:33and ratio
46:34and who
46:35knows that
46:36Siddhar
46:37Ramayya
46:38a very
46:39important role
46:39in the
46:40cabinet
46:41okay
46:41if they are
46:42loyalists
46:42of Siddhar
46:43Ramayya
46:43then is it
46:44disadvantage
46:45DK Shiv Kumar
46:47and I'll get
46:47you to
46:47there's breaking
46:48news that's
46:49just coming in
46:49in fact
46:50Mosmi getting
46:50us more
46:51details on
46:51this big
46:52story
46:52so Siddhar
46:53Ramayya
46:53is coming
46:54to Delhi
46:54but his
46:55flight got
46:55diverted
46:56because of
46:56rains in
46:57Delhi
46:57that flight's
46:58been diverted
46:58apparently to
46:59Jaipur we are
47:00told and this
47:01one-on-one
47:02meeting between
47:03Rahul Gandhi
47:04leader of
47:05opposition
47:06and Siddhar
47:07Ramayya
47:07this first
47:08meeting after
47:09Siddhar
47:09Ramayya's
47:10resignation
47:10has now been
47:11scheduled for
47:12nine tomorrow
47:13morning
47:13this meeting
47:14was to take
47:15place later
47:16tonight but
47:16it's got
47:17postponed
47:17since Siddhar
47:18Ramayya's
47:18flight to
47:19Delhi is now
47:19delayed even
47:21more
47:22Mosmi do
47:23we have an
47:24idea about
47:24what are some
47:25of the issues
47:26that Siddhar
47:27Ramayya is coming
47:27to Delhi with
47:28and do we have
47:29details of what
47:30he contains in
47:31that file with
47:32that big list we
47:33are told that
47:33he's carrying
47:40Gaurav you are
47:41right on this
47:42one that you
47:42know the
47:43meeting is
47:43going to be
47:44will take
47:45place tomorrow
47:46but of course
47:47apart from that
47:48entire list that
47:50Siddhar Ramayya is
47:51getting it will
47:52be more of a
47:53consultation that
47:54Rahul Gandhi would
47:55be doing it will
47:56be persuasion a
47:57lot of persuasion
47:58yet again Rahul
48:00Gandhi's skills as
48:02a leader trying to
48:03persuade another
48:05regional satrap to
48:08join hands and
48:09strengthen the
48:10forces of the
48:11Congress in Delhi
48:12will be tested
48:14whether he can do
48:15it he did it with
48:16KC Venugopal who
48:18was his trusted
48:19lieutenant dissuaded
48:21him from becoming
48:23the chief minister
48:24of Kerala and
48:25saying that
48:26Satishan would
48:27become so he
48:28took that two
48:29hour meeting with
48:30KC Venugopal when
48:32he had to tell him
48:32that you are not
48:33going to become
48:34you are not the
48:34chosen one so he
48:35has done it with
48:36the most trusted
48:37lieutenant of his
48:39lieutenant so we
48:40have to see how
48:41persuasive Rahul
48:42Gandhi really is
48:43remember Siddhar
48:45Ramayya is a
48:46completely different
48:47personality he has
48:49got a very very
48:52marathon experience
48:53resistance and Rahul
48:56Gandhi perhaps
48:57acknowledges that
48:58okay so let me
49:00bring in Professor
49:01Shastri to weigh in
49:03on whether this is
49:04advantage Congress
49:05ahead of 2028 is it
49:07six months too late
49:08or you know there
49:10would be a season 2.0
49:11or a 3.0 of this
49:13Nataka depending on
49:14who is Karnataka
49:15Pradesh Congress
49:15Committee Chief
49:16who are the deputy
49:17chief ministers who
49:18get powerful portfolios
49:21Gaurav it's I think
49:22too early to say it
49:23could go both ways
49:24now you know
49:26looking at the
49:28caste equation now
49:29at one hand we do
49:30talk about
49:31Sidhar Ramayya's hold
49:32of the OVC votes
49:33also remember that
49:35DK Shukumar is
49:36projecting himself
49:37and could potentially
49:39emerge as
49:40one of the tallest
49:41local league leaders
49:42replacing the JDS
49:43now
49:45that equation we
49:46cannot it's hard to
49:47ignore because in
49:48old Mysore where you
49:49have a large local
49:49league population
49:50which was a bastion
49:51of the JDS now
49:52with the JDS in
49:53retreat and
49:54Shiv Kumar emerging
49:56as one of the
49:57tallest local league
49:58leaders the moment
49:58you have a local
49:59league CM it could
50:00help the Congress
50:02consolidate the
50:03local league votes
50:04and sort of walk
50:06into that space that
50:07is being vacated by
50:07the JDS now if
50:09they can do this
50:10new caste report
50:11there is this new
50:12caste report that
50:13is coming and from
50:15whatever portions of
50:16that caste report
50:17Mr Rajagopalan that
50:18is in public domain
50:19and those are leaked
50:20those are leaked
50:22papers Mr Rajagopalan
50:23I'm coming to you
50:24sir I'm coming to you
50:25but Mr Rajagopalan
50:26would that upset the
50:28apple cart of the
50:29Voka Liga leadership
50:30versus the Ahinda
50:31leadership
50:32certainly certainly
50:33whatever Siddharamaya
50:34has taken the
50:36report public
50:36made the public
50:37report the public
50:38is very very
50:39important
50:40Mr Gaurav
50:41that is going to be
50:42the trump card of
50:43Mr Siddharamaya
50:44and that he will
50:45use it tomorrow
50:46when he meets
50:47Raghu Gandhi
50:48saying that
50:49obviously this
50:50report should be
50:51implemented once and
50:52forth that is the
50:53basis on which
50:55Mr Siddharamaya
50:55will develop a
50:57heat on Raghu
50:58Gandhi and Congress
50:59thereby early
51:012027 he will put
51:03the Congress in a
51:04tight spot whether
51:05to launch a party
51:06or to go out of
51:07the Congress or
51:08separate age
51:09Shiva Kumar
51:10Mr Siddharamaya's
51:12main enemy is
51:13Shiva Kumar
51:14you must understand
51:15that
51:15main enemy
51:16that's a very
51:16strong word you're
51:17using because we
51:18just saw them
51:19hugging you know
51:20DK Shiva Kumar
51:21touching his feet
51:22sharing a meal
51:23together but let
51:24me take that
51:25let me take that
51:25to Syed Asad
51:26Abbas to respond
51:27to these very
51:29serious points that
51:30you've raised
51:30this caste report
51:32Voka Liga
51:33leadership or
51:34Ahinda leadership
51:36OBC leadership
51:37moving forward
51:38will all of this
51:40you know who'll be
51:40Deputy Chief
51:41Minister who'll be
51:41Karnataka Pradesh
51:42Congress Committee
51:42Chief will there
51:43be loyalists of
51:44Siddharamaya will
51:45they be loyalists
51:46of DK Shiva
51:46Kumar are these
51:47the challenges
51:47that Rahul Gandhi
51:48faces starting
51:49tonight not just
51:50tomorrow morning
51:51Gaurav sahab I
51:52come from the
51:53land of Karnataka
51:53which is a land
51:54of Kuempu and
51:55Baswana Baswana
51:56is the greatest
51:57social reformer in
51:58the history of
51:59Karnataka and
52:00coming to Karnataka
52:01politics undoubtedly
52:02the Ahinda movement
52:03is to be celebrated
52:04when it comes to
52:05Siddharamaya now
52:06when we look at the
52:07caste segments
52:08here be it a
52:08Lingayat
52:09be it a
52:09Vokaliga
52:10be it a
52:11Kuruba
52:11or any of the
52:12backward classes
52:13including the
52:14minorities
52:14all of them
52:15will have equal
52:16representation in
52:17the cabinet
52:18why wouldn't
52:19they
52:19and knowing
52:20Siddharamaya
52:20last 20 years
52:22he served as
52:23a loyal soldier
52:23there
52:24and the fact of
52:25the matter
52:25the congress
52:26definitely has
52:27some very good
52:28strong Vokaliga
52:29leaders
52:29also the BJP
52:31if I can take
52:32a name
52:32Ashwad Narayan
52:32is also a very
52:33tall leader
52:34of the Vokaliga
52:35apart from the
52:35Dewe Gowda
52:36and the
52:36Kumaranna
52:37the fact of
52:37the matter is
52:38with great
52:39power there is
52:39great responsibility
52:40and equal
52:41accountability in
52:42the hands of
52:42the congress
52:43high command
52:43and the
52:44respective
52:44ministers and
52:46MLAs here in
52:46Karnataka
52:47but today when the
52:48question is asked
52:49what did a
52:50Siddharamaya do
52:50under Siddharamaya
52:52Karnataka is the
52:53second largest
52:53contributor of the
52:54GDP of the nation
52:55we are number two
52:56in GST collection
52:57Bengaluru continues to
52:58be the start capital
52:59of India
52:59we are the
53:00Silicon Valley
53:01of the east
53:01so the
53:02political aspect
53:04today
53:05Professor Shastri
53:06the last 30
53:07seconds I'm sorry
53:08I just have run
53:08out of time
53:09but I want to
53:09understand
53:10you know as
53:11Sayyad Asad Abbas
53:12says that
53:12the Ahinda
53:13and the Vokaliga
53:14vote can be
53:15combined
53:15if they all
53:16put their
53:16hands
53:17shoulder to
53:18the wheel
53:18it's certainly
53:19advantage
53:19Congress
53:20they have
53:21two years
53:22to work on
53:22anti-incumbency
53:23and move
53:24forward for
53:242028
53:27Gaurav this is
53:27easier said
53:28than done
53:28I think in
53:30an ideal
53:30situation
53:31if the
53:31Congress
53:31could actually
53:32carry both
53:32together
53:33and that's
53:34something that
53:34happened in
53:352023 where
53:36there was
53:37a temporary
53:37truce between
53:38the two
53:38leaders and
53:39you did see
53:40the Congress
53:40perform fairly
53:41well amongst
53:42the Vokaliga
53:42voters and
53:43at the same
53:44time holding
53:44together the
53:45Ahinda base
53:46now can they
53:47replicate that
53:48in 2028
53:49now given
53:51the circumstances
53:52can you
53:53you know can
53:54you bridge the
53:55two sides
53:56together that's
53:57the Shiv Kumar
53:58camp and
53:58the Sidaramaya
53:59camp I
53:59think it
54:00really depends
54:01on that
54:02and that's
54:03the big
54:03question that
54:03I leave our
54:04viewers with
54:05I've run out
54:05of time on
54:06this part of
54:06the show but
54:07over the next
54:08several days this
54:09is a story we
54:10will be tracking
54:10very very closely
54:11I want to thank
54:11all my guests
54:12and our viewers
54:13for being a part
54:14of this discussion
54:15that is all I
54:16have for you on
54:17India First this
54:17evening
54:17many thanks for
54:18watching
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