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00:00Hello and welcome. Good evening. Namaskara. You're joining us live here on the special edition of Super 6.
00:05I'm Akshita Nanda Gopal and as you can see behind me, I'm standing at the iconic Vidhan Sauda,
00:10the seat of power here in Karnataka. Why am I here?
00:14Well, you've guessed it. We've been covering it here on India Today for the last 24 hours.
00:18The Game of Thrones reaching its climax in Karnataka.
00:22In the next 24 hours, Chief Minister Sidramaya is all set to step down.
00:27And that's our top focus here on Super 6.
00:29So, the next one hour, we'll have analysts, we'll have our political panelists joining us
00:34to give you a sense of what they're making of the situation currently in Karnataka
00:39and that D.K. Shiv Kumar is finally poised to be the next Chief Minister of Karnataka.
00:44But that's not the only story we're talking about this evening.
00:46We'll also get you the latest of what's been happening in Kerala,
00:50where early morning ED raids at former Chief Minister Pinarai Vijayan's residence
00:54has sparked a huge, huge political showdown from Kerala all the way to the national capital,
01:00to Delhi, where the left is up in arms, crying political vendetta.
01:04It's also led to a number of CRPF officials being injured as ED officers were targeted
01:09while they were conducting those raids.
01:11So, I'll get you a lowdown of exactly what's happened in Kerala.
01:14Karnataka coming up, Kerala coming up.
01:16What are we missing out? Tamil Nadu.
01:18Let me get you breaking news on Chief Minister Vijay in Delhi.
01:31We've gotten you the first pictures of Chief Minister Vijay's meeting with Prime Minister Modi.
01:36And remember that the Chief Minister went in with a clear agenda.
01:40He's raised a number of issues.
01:42And at this point, we're getting you the inside track of really what's transpired
01:47in that 25-minute meeting that's taken place between Chief Minister Vijay and Prime Minister Modi.
01:54In that meeting, Vijay raised the issue of the Tamil anthem being played
01:59after the national song, after the national anthem.
02:01So, in his petition, in his request to Prime Minister Modi,
02:06he said, let the state song be played first,
02:09and then the national song, and then the national anthem.
02:11Remember, the norm is that when a governor, a state governor, attends an event,
02:15it's set protocol.
02:16That's come from the Home Ministry that the national song,
02:19followed by the national anthem, followed by the state song plays.
02:22Vijay wants that reversed.
02:23It's been one of the biggest political bones of contention
02:25since he's taken over as Chief Minister.
02:28He's raised that issue.
02:29As expected, he's raised Mekidatu as well,
02:32urging for the Jal Shakti Ministry to step in
02:35and ensure that Karnataka doesn't construct a dam on Mekidatu
02:38without consulting Tamil Nadu.
02:41So, those are two issues besides several others
02:44that Chief Minister Vijay has raised in his meeting with Prime Minister Modi.
02:47I'll bring in Pramod Madhu for more details on that.
02:50Pramod, give us the updates of what you've picked up
02:52and what transpired in that meeting between Prime Minister Modi
02:55and Chief Minister Vijay.
02:58Well, it looks like the Chief Minister in his almost 30 minutes meeting
03:01with the Prime Minister, he has raised four issues mainly.
03:03The first and foremost, to start with the Tamil pride over here
03:06and that's the reason he's spoken about the Tamil anthem
03:08where he said, like, the recent Home Ministry circular
03:11has stated that the Vande Matram must be sung first
03:13but he has stated that, like, you know, it should be
03:15the Home Ministry must be instructed by the Prime Minister
03:17to go ahead and allow the state anthems to be sung first.
03:20The second one is a scientific one
03:22where it's about the infrastructure development, Akhita.
03:24And this is about the DRDO's research
03:26about advanced medium combat aircrafts and cabs
03:29that is, like, airborne systems
03:31that kind of, like, studies has been happening since 1991
03:34and he wants the Prime Minister to go ahead
03:36and allow the, you know, the infrastructure development
03:39in the state of Tamil Nadu establishment as well.
03:42And the third one, just we discussed, it's about the Megatato.
03:44He very clearly says that Bhumi Puja is against the Supreme Court's order
03:48and he also urged the Prime Minister to instruct the Jal Shakti
03:51Can I just interrupt you? My apologies, Pramod.
03:54I'm going to come back to you so you can finish your point in just a bit.
03:56We've got Mr. Saravanan of the DNK joining us on this broadcast.
04:00Mr. Saravanan, this was an issue your party constantly raised
04:03about why in each of those events with the Governor
04:06we had the national song, national anthem
04:08followed by the state song.
04:09Now, Chief Minister Vijay has raced it with the Prime Minister.
04:12Are you welcoming the fact that Chief Minister Vijay
04:15has taken your criticism and your contention
04:17and raced it with the Prime Minister?
04:19See, we'll have to wait and see.
04:22It's not just the question of raising it to the Prime Minister.
04:26We'll have to see whether that will translate into action.
04:29The actions of the Governor is deliberate.
04:31He knows in the state of Tamil Nadu,
04:33Tamil national anthem is what has to be played in the beginning.
04:39See, if you look at the MHA order,
04:41which says mandatory playing of Vande Madram.
04:44You expect an exception for Tamil Nadu?
04:48First, you expect an exception for Tamil Nadu
04:50that only in Tamil Nadu state song will play first.
04:52There can't be different rules for different states, sir, first.
04:55Secondly, what can that state government do about it?
04:57They can appeal to the central government, that's about it.
05:00This is quite like the neat problem,
05:01which is that the state government can only promise,
05:03do nothing beyond that.
05:05I'm coming to that.
05:06See, that's what I'm telling you.
05:07The MHA order does not specify
05:10that Vande Madram should be sung first.
05:12It only mandates that Vande Madram should be sung.
05:15It is the choice of the Governor.
05:17The Governor deliberately wants to play Vande Madram first
05:19and push Tamil Nadu anthem to the last.
05:22The problem is with the Governor's office.
05:24So, you are not standing up to the Governor,
05:27you are not condemning the actions of the Governor,
05:29but you are going and petitioning the Prime Minister.
05:31So, we'll have to wait and see whether this translates into action.
05:40Finally, also, Mr. Saruman,
05:41in your view on the fact that Megidhatu,
05:43which is a big issue in Tamil Nadu,
05:45has also been brought up by Chief Minister Vijay
05:48with the Prime Minister.
05:49And there, you know, you've got Karnataka,
05:51which is a Congress-ruled state involved.
05:53Yeah.
05:53Yeah, see, Megidhatu is a very contentious issue.
05:57The stand of the state of Tamil Nadu
05:59and when we were in power is that
06:01Megidhatu Dam cannot be built.
06:04It cannot be built there.
06:07So, this, whatever it is,
06:09see, probably the Congress is in power
06:11in the state of Tamil Nadu.
06:12They are in the government.
06:15Probably that is important.
06:16The government there in Karnataka,
06:18the Congress government in Karnataka,
06:19go ahead with the Bhumi Puja.
06:21They have no business.
06:22They have no business to conduct Bhumi Puja.
06:25This is against the Supreme Court judgment.
06:28This is against every agreement
06:30that we have signed with Karnataka
06:32with regard to the Cauvery water.
06:33This is directly against the Supreme Court's judgment.
06:37The TVK government should stand up,
06:39stand up to the Congress government there in Karnataka.
06:42When we were in power, this was not allowed.
06:45When we were in power,
06:46we ensured that there is no progress.
06:49Nothing proceeded in the Megidhatu project.
06:52But now, tables are turned.
06:54So, people of Tamil Nadu will not watch this quietly.
07:02Okay, Mr. Sarmanan, thank you for joining us here
07:04with your view on the fact that Chief Minister Vijay
07:07has raised a number of issues.
07:08He's raised fishermen, he's raised DR duo,
07:11he's raised Megidhatu,
07:12and of course, he's raised, like I said,
07:14the state song versus the national song
07:17which should be played first at governor events.
07:19I'll bring in Piyush Mishra also for more details on this.
07:22So, Piyush, we've got details of the memorandum
07:24that was submitted by Chief Minister Vijay.
07:25Any details you've been able to pick up
07:27on the PMO's response to the issues
07:29that the Tamil Nadu government,
07:31that the Chief Minister has raised?
07:37Well, Akshita, the sources are telling us
07:39that PMO has received the memorandum
07:42which was given by Vijay.
07:44As of now, they have not taken any decision.
07:46It was a courteous meet which happened
07:48between Vijay and PM Narendra Modi.
07:50And in that meeting, a lot of issues have been discussed
07:52which includes Megidhatu issue,
07:54which also includes the playing of
07:58Bandia Mataram song or the state song.
08:01At the same time, the issues like fishermen issue,
08:04the issue of centre-state relations,
08:07all of these have been discussed.
08:09But as of now, a decision has not been taken
08:11by the Prime Minister's office.
08:13Most certainly, yes, there's no doubt
08:15that Prime Minister, whenever he meets
08:16with the head of any state,
08:18what he ensures that he listens
08:19to what the leader has to say.
08:22And after going through the demands,
08:24a decision is made by the Prime Minister.
08:26So, he will go through what Vijay has submitted
08:29because memorandum has a long list of demands
08:32which Vijay has submitted
08:34to the Prime Minister's office.
08:36After going through that memorandum itself,
08:38a decision would be taken.
08:40But yesterday, it was a very important day
08:42in the politics of Tamil Nadu.
08:44Vijay, who has made his first visit
08:45It's going to take, of course, more meetings.
08:47It's going to take more such updates
08:49and such meets for any headway, really.
08:52And, you know, can the central government
08:55really step in on an issue of saying
08:56state songs should be played
08:57above the national song
08:58only in Tamil Nadu?
09:00Well, we'll have to see if that actually happens.
09:03But Chief Minister Vijay has raced it nonetheless.
09:06So, we'll see what emerges.
09:07Remember, 6.30 is when
09:08Chief Minister Vijay is meeting
09:09with Home Minister Amit Shah.
09:11So, we'll track that very, very closely as well.
09:13Thanks, Piyush.
09:14Thanks, Pramod, for joining us
09:15with all of those details.
09:17Let's switch over now
09:18to what's happening in Karnataka.
09:28Okay, let's get you the breaking update
09:30that's coming in right now.
09:32The Karnataka Game of Thrones
09:35has reached its climax.
09:36This is, in fact,
09:38the last leg of what we're seeing
09:39and that confirmation coming in
09:41for the first time
09:41as you've got a Karnataka minister
09:44confirming that
09:45Chief Minister Sidra Maya
09:47will be resigning come tomorrow.
09:49He said it's going to happen
09:50after 3 p.m.
09:51that he's even taken an appointment
09:53with the governor.
09:54So, this is the latest update
09:57and you've got a confirmation
09:58coming in right now
09:59that, yes, there is movement
10:01and the next 24 hours
10:03Sidra Maya has made up his mind
10:04he's going to be resigning.
10:05Listen in first.
10:08We went to CM South
10:09and we gathered nearly 40 minutes
10:11we are there.
10:12Just to courtesy,
10:14we went there
10:14and we've discussed
10:15so many things.
10:17I think CM has
10:18maybe given his jurisdiction
10:20tomorrow after 3 o'clock.
10:22He has taken already
10:24an appointment
10:24with the governor also.
10:26The CM High Command
10:27will decide.
10:28High Command Surajivalaji
10:30is coming today night.
10:31They will consult Sidra Maya
10:32and all the senior leaders
10:34and they will decide
10:34after that
10:36who is the CM
10:37they will decide.
10:38Most probably
10:39DK Shigar
10:39will be the chief first.
10:45get you all the latest updates
10:47that are coming in right now.
10:48Nagarjun Dwarkanath
10:49is with me on this broadcast.
10:51Naga, confirmation coming in
10:53that the resignation is happening.
10:54No question of any
10:55last minute change
10:56really on that front.
10:57Resignation will happen.
10:59We have got two confirmations,
10:59in fact three confirmations.
11:01One from the Lok Bhavan,
11:02two from the Congress Party
11:03and close associates
11:04of the chief minister.
11:05These are the legislators,
11:06senior legislators
11:07who have confirmed
11:08that the CM will not rebel.
11:09He will be tendering
11:10his resignation
11:11post-lunch tomorrow
11:13by 3 p.m.
11:14You'll have it.
11:14Officially,
11:15we'll see the visual
11:15of the chief minister
11:17making his way through
11:18from his residence in Kaveri
11:19and just two minutes away
11:20is the Lok Bhavan.
11:21He will be meeting
11:22Governor Thawarchan Gillot
11:23and giving his letter
11:25of resignation
11:26to Mr. Governor himself
11:28at 3 p.m.
11:29and have a courtesy call
11:30and then come back
11:31post that the new development starts,
11:33the Chapter 2
11:34of Karnataka Congress
11:35for the next two years.
11:36So it has nothing to do
11:37with whether he's okay
11:38with the compromise formula or not.
11:40He's going to resign irrespective.
11:41In fact,
11:41that's the high command decision
11:43that they have told him
11:43to resign immediately
11:44which means within 24 to 48 hours.
11:47So there's very less time
11:49to reconcile and renegotiate
11:51and have backdoor talks
11:52and that's the reason
11:53why the chief minister
11:54is having such short time
11:56because they knew
11:56that the moment you give him
11:57this much of time
11:58there would be renegotiation,
12:00pressure, tactics, all of it.
12:01They wanted him to resign immediately
12:03to send out a message
12:04that high command is strong
12:05and there's no muscle flexing time left.
12:07Chief minister will resign
12:09tomorrow post-lunch.
12:10Okay, let me bring in Sagar Raj
12:12also quickly on this broadcast
12:13for a word on the breaking
12:15that's just come in.
12:16What's also interesting, Sagar,
12:17and you were highlighting
12:18this to me earlier,
12:19which is that one of the last steps
12:21that chief minister Sidra Maya
12:22will take very, very symbolically
12:25will be to accept
12:26the backward classes commission survey report
12:28and that's very important messaging
12:30by Sidra Maya.
12:35Absolutely.
12:36He want to send out a message
12:37to the people stating
12:38that when he entered politics,
12:39when he became the chief minister,
12:40he was a champion
12:42of backward class committee,
12:43he was a champion of Ahinda
12:44and even when he exit
12:46as a chief minister,
12:48he want to retain
12:49the same identity,
12:50stating that he worked for them
12:52and even on the last day
12:54of his working day
12:56as a chief minister,
12:57he has accepted the report
12:58of backward class committee.
13:00Why it is a checkmate
13:01for the new government?
13:02Because many Okalaga leaders,
13:04many Okalaga priests
13:05and Lingayat priests
13:07and leaders
13:07had opposed
13:08the initial report
13:10and thereafter
13:10the government ordered
13:11for a new survey to be done
13:14and this survey had completed
13:15but it was not been submitted.
13:17Now, the commission has agreed
13:19and they have submitted
13:22this evening
13:22to the chief minister.
13:24Now, this particular report
13:25should be tabled
13:26in the cabinet
13:27and who will be
13:28the new cabinet?
13:29The new chief minister
13:30who is going to take over.
13:32He will be the person
13:33who will take over
13:34this particular report
13:37which will be submitted
13:37by backward class committee.
13:39We need to wait and watch
13:40whether a similar kind
13:42of opposition
13:42will come from
13:43the Okalaga leaders.
13:44Talking about really
13:45that report,
13:46I just want to highlight
13:47that when chief minister
13:48Sidra Maya Sagai
13:49entered here
13:50into the Vidant Souda,
13:51very interesting
13:52images that came in.
13:53Contract employees
13:54who were in the Vidant Souda,
13:56who work in the Vidant Souda,
13:57broke down
13:58seeing Sidra Maya.
13:59They all started
14:00getting very, very emotional
14:02and that tells you really
14:04about a veteran leader,
14:05the kind of support
14:06that he's enjoyed.
14:06These are contract employees
14:07of the Vidant Souda
14:08who are used to seeing
14:10chief minister Sidra Maya
14:11in action,
14:12used to interacting with him,
14:13getting very, very emotional.
14:15And so that's the footage
14:16on your screens as well.
14:18It shows you the kind
14:18of connect that he has
14:19and why it's been so hard
14:22to really dethrone him
14:23as chief minister
14:24for the last many months
14:26as much as D.K.
14:27Shrift Kumar tried.
14:28It's because of that support,
14:29it's because of that backing,
14:31that right now,
14:32you've got the Congress
14:33high command treading
14:33so carefully
14:34to ensure that
14:35whatever they offer him,
14:36whatever compromise formula
14:37it is,
14:38it's something that works
14:39for him.
14:40It's something that he's
14:41okay with
14:42and his supporters
14:42very importantly
14:43also believe
14:44that it's a step up
14:45which is why they believe
14:46that it's ultimately Delhi.
14:48He may be focused
14:48on the state
14:49but there's no bigger position
14:50than CM
14:51and that's something
14:52that they're already
14:53making him step down from.
14:54So interesting to see
14:55what really plays out
14:56but those are the images
14:57on your screens right now.
14:59Let me get you a sense
15:00of all that's happened now
15:01in the last 24 hours.
15:04Sidra Maya,
15:05yes it's confirmed,
15:06will be resigning
15:06come tomorrow
15:07but there's still
15:08a big question mark really
15:09on what will be
15:11the terms and conditions.
15:12What will he do next?
15:13He says he wants
15:14to focus on the state.
15:15The Congress high command
15:16says look we'll give you
15:17a Rajasabha seat
15:18we'll ensure your son
15:19is accommodated
15:20in the cabinet in Karnataka
15:21but so far
15:22that stalemate continues.
15:24DK Shiv Kumar
15:25surprisingly quiet
15:26in Delhi
15:27just waiting and watching
15:28to see what really happens.
15:30Let's get you
15:30all the details
15:31in this report first.
15:41After a six hour
15:42closed door meeting
15:43at the Congress headquarters
15:44in Delhi on Tuesday
15:45Karnataka Chief Minister
15:47Sidra Maya
15:47and Deputy Chief Minister
15:48DK Shiv Kumar
15:49stepped out
15:50with party
15:51General KC Venu Gopal
15:52to address the media
15:53but their expression
15:54spoke louder
15:55than the statements.
15:56Even as the Congress
15:57insisted that there is
15:58no rift by night
15:59the political narrative
16:00had already shifted
16:01into a full-blown thriller.
16:04Sources confirmed
16:05the Chief Minister
16:05Sidra Maya
16:06has been asked
16:07to step down
16:07paving the way
16:08for DK Shiv Kumar
16:09to potentially take over
16:10as Chief Minister.
16:11When asked about
16:12the developments
16:13Chief Minister
16:14Sidra Maya
16:14chose not to clarify
16:16leaving the outcome
16:17open to interpretation.
16:34As part of a possible
16:36compromise formula
16:37Sidra Maya's son
16:38Yathindra is likely
16:39to be inducted
16:40into the Cabinet
16:40in the new Ministry.
16:42Meanwhile,
16:42the State Congress
16:43is also expected
16:44to see a reshuffle
16:45with Satish Jarkioli
16:47emerging as a frontrunner
16:48for the party
16:49Chief's post.
17:12However,
17:13the churn
17:14has also triggered
17:14resistance within the party.
17:16With Sidra Maya's
17:17Kuruba community
17:18demanding an Ahinda
17:19representation
17:19for the top post.
17:22At the same time,
17:23close aides
17:24and loyal MLAs
17:25of the Chief Minister
17:26are urging him
17:26not to resign,
17:27asking him to reconsider
17:28any such move.
17:30The BJP sees the opportunity
17:32to target the Congress.
17:36For Congress,
17:37power is like a pawn
17:41where they can trade.
17:43So they have traded
17:45this from the day one
17:46and the problem
17:47started in the roots
17:48of that
17:49and every day
17:50there was a discussion.
17:52Some MLA,
17:53some office wearer,
17:54some...
17:54So it continued
17:56and ultimately
17:57culminated into
17:58the resignation
17:59of Sidra Maya.
18:00It was coming.
18:02Meanwhile,
18:03DK Shivakumar
18:04is expected
18:04to return to
18:05Bengaluru
18:05for the crucial
18:06breakfast meeting
18:07with Sidra Maya
18:08on Thursday.
18:09Sources say
18:10the political script
18:11may reach a decisive turn
18:12after the breakfast meeting.
18:14If the transition
18:15happens peacefully,
18:16Sidra Maya
18:17is expected
18:17to hand his resignation
18:18to the governor
18:19on Thursday itself.
18:21For now,
18:22Karnataka's
18:22political potboiler
18:23is heading for a climax.
18:26Bureau Report,
18:27India Today.
18:32Okay, so a lot
18:33has happened
18:34in the last 24 hours
18:35but the next 24 hours
18:37is crucial
18:37because you're going
18:38to see
18:38the last breakfast
18:40cabinet meet
18:41and I've said this before
18:41if you've heard
18:42of the last supper
18:43in Karnataka
18:44where in the south
18:44it's all about breakfast
18:45so it's the last
18:46breakfast cabinet meet
18:47that we'll see
18:48with Sidra Maya
18:49right after which
18:50he will go ahead
18:50and submit his resignation.
18:52But let's get you
18:52all the details
18:53that we have right now
18:54of the six big scoops
18:56at 6pm
18:57that we have for you.
18:58First is of course
18:59the Chief Minister
19:00Sidra Maya
19:01will be resigning tomorrow.
19:03There's still
19:03a bit of back and forth
19:05on exactly when
19:06but we understand
19:06post noon
19:07is when he sought
19:08an appointment.
19:09Also what we can tell you
19:11is that Sidra Maya's son
19:13Yatindra Sidra Maya
19:14who is an MLC
19:15could find a cabinet birth.
19:17That's one of the
19:17compromise formulae
19:18that the Congress
19:19High Command
19:20has spoken of
19:21which is besides
19:22Sidra Maya in Delhi
19:23that his son
19:23will be accommodated
19:24in the cabinet.
19:26Sidra Maya's aides
19:27interestingly
19:28and there was a huddle
19:28that took place
19:29at the official
19:30CM residence
19:31Kaveri earlier today
19:32where you had
19:33all of the
19:33MLA's ministers
19:35who are on his side
19:35coming together
19:36and urged him
19:37not to step down
19:38saying dig in your heels
19:39don't resign
19:41remain the Chief Minister.
19:42But it looks like
19:43Sidra Maya's
19:44more or less
19:44made up his mind.
19:45He said
19:45irrespective of what
19:46you think
19:46I've decided
19:47that what the
19:48High Command says
19:48is my final order
19:50and so I will go ahead
19:51and step down.
19:53But beyond that
19:54the biggest challenge
19:55perhaps for the
19:55Congress
19:56is caste
19:57and ensuring
19:58that the Ahindas
19:59don't feel
20:00sidelined at all.
20:02Already you have
20:02had demands
20:03coming in
20:03from the Kuruba
20:04community
20:05saying we want
20:06a representative
20:06from the Ahinda
20:07grouping
20:07to be the next
20:08Chief Minister
20:09if not Sidra Maya
20:11and this is where
20:12it gets a little
20:12complicated for the
20:13Congress
20:13which is why
20:14you will also see
20:15DK Shiv Kumar
20:15take several steps
20:16to ensure
20:17accommodation
20:18in the cabinet.
20:20DK Shiv Kumar
20:20will be attending
20:21tomorrow
20:22Sidra Maya's
20:22breakfast meeting.
20:23He's catching
20:23an early morning
20:245am flight
20:25to ensure
20:25he makes it
20:26in time
20:26for that
20:27breakfast meeting
20:27that will be
20:28happening
20:28at Sidra Maya's
20:30residence.
20:30And finally
20:31Congress Chief
20:32the Karnataka
20:33Congress Chief
20:34who will be
20:34the KPCC Chief
20:35considering that
20:36DK Shiv Kumar
20:37will step aside
20:37from that position
20:38we are hearing
20:39it could be
20:40Satish Jarkiholi
20:41that he is the
20:42front runner
20:43right now
20:44but we'll have
20:44to wait and see
20:45exactly which way
20:46it goes.
20:47You never really
20:48know with Karnataka
20:49politics who will
20:50ultimately get the
20:51prize.
20:51But let me open
20:52this up.
20:52You've already
20:53of course
20:53met my
20:54colleague
20:54Nagarjun
20:54Dwarkanath
20:55who's been
20:56getting you
20:56all the latest
20:57updates on
20:58what's really
20:58playing out
20:59the front runner
20:59as far as
21:00Karnataka
21:01politics is
21:01concerned.
21:0224 hours
21:02Nagar
21:03resignation
21:03coming in.
21:04No twists
21:04no turns.
21:05There will be no
21:05twists and turns
21:06tomorrow afternoon
21:07Chief Minister
21:08will be making
21:09his way through
21:09to the Lok
21:10Bhavan and
21:10tendering his
21:10resignation.
21:11We've already
21:11got confirmation
21:12with two people
21:14two legislators
21:14senior legislators
21:15who are close
21:17associates of the
21:17Chief Minister
21:18come on record
21:19and say that
21:19Chief Minister
21:20is not going to
21:21backtrack on his
21:22decision.
21:22He's not going to
21:23renegotiate with
21:24the high command
21:24so the party
21:25decision will be
21:26listened to and
21:27he would be going
21:28to Lok Bhavan
21:28at 3pm most likely
21:29is what we are told.
21:30Post lunch is the
21:31time that's told
21:32to Lok Bhavan also
21:33and he would be
21:34tendering his
21:35resignation just
21:36a one line
21:36resignation and
21:37then the further
21:38development starts
21:39that's calling off
21:40the new CLP
21:42resolution being
21:43passed in the
21:44CLP a new leader
21:44being elected and
21:46then signatures of
21:46all the 140 MLAs
21:48that letter has to
21:49be given to the
21:49Raj Bhavan or the
21:50Lok Bhavan and
21:51then the oath
21:52taking ceremony
21:53would happen.
21:53So DK Shukma
21:54still has a long
21:56task cut out in
21:57front of himself.
21:57It's not all done
21:58yet.
21:59Another 10 days or
22:007 days of hectic
22:01negotiation and
22:02big negotiations
22:03will be happening.
22:04My sense is that
22:05he's going to be
22:05in a hurry to
22:06take oath as
22:07chief minister with
22:08all of the drama
22:08that's been playing
22:09out.
22:09It's finally happening
22:10so I don't think
22:11he's going to take
22:11any time whatsoever.
22:13Once the CLP
22:13meet is complete
22:15there's a possibility
22:15that by this weekend
22:16we will have the
22:18Swerigit ceremony.
22:18But let me open
22:19this up.
22:20Joining me here
22:20right outside the
22:21beautiful Vidant
22:22Sauda is Mr.
22:23G.S.
22:24Prashad of the
22:24BJP.
22:25Sir, every time I
22:26come to Bengaluru
22:26I meet you which
22:27is great.
22:28Also nice to have
22:29you with us.
22:29Sir, namaskara.
22:30Good evening.
22:31Thank you so much.
22:32We've got Mr.
22:33Sanjul Shastri
22:35political analyst
22:35with us and we
22:36have Syed
22:37Asad Abbas as
22:38Bengaluru and
22:39as can get
22:40joining us here
22:41on Super 6.
22:42Thank you all so
22:42much for taking
22:43the time out and
22:43joining us on the
22:44ground.
22:45I'd like to begin
22:46with you Mr.
22:47Prashant.
22:47What do you make
22:47of all that's
22:48happening?
22:48Stability finally.
22:50Last time around
22:50I remember when you
22:51joined us on a
22:52discussion you said
22:53what is with all of
22:54these back and forth
22:55take a decision?
22:56Why can't the
22:56Congress come on
22:57take a decision?
22:58They've taken it.
22:59See Akshita, they've
23:00taken it when?
23:02In 2023 May when
23:04the Congress got
23:05the mandate of the
23:06people for governance
23:07and administration.
23:08What did Congress
23:10give it to the people
23:11for three years?
23:12It was the greed and
23:14lust for power for
23:15three years which
23:16finally culminated in
23:17now the change of
23:18God if at all it
23:19happens.
23:19So therefore for
23:20three years people
23:21have waited patiently
23:22for governance
23:23administration to
23:24even fill up
23:25portals.
23:26So therefore it
23:27doesn't matter to
23:27BJP as to who
23:28becomes the chief
23:29minister from the
23:30Congress but as
23:31citizens of Karnataka
23:32we are wanting to
23:34have that governance
23:36and administration
23:37and infrastructure
23:38which is crumbling
23:39to be stepped up.
23:40But you have to
23:41give it to them sir
23:42irrespective of
23:43whatever fight was
23:43happening Sidra
23:44Maya and D.K.
23:45Shiv Kumar always
23:46came together.
23:47Whichever event they
23:48had to attend they
23:49were together.
23:50Professionally it
23:51was almost as if
23:52they said business
23:52as usual.
23:53Whatever our
23:53ambitions we'll keep
23:54that aside we will
23:55continue to work.
23:56See actually if you
23:57remember P.V.
23:58Narsimara running a
23:59minority government
24:00for five years without
24:01majority it was more
24:02like Sidra Maya running
24:04a coalition with D.K.
24:06Shukumar and it was
24:07not a Congress led
24:08government.
24:08You had this
24:09factions even now it's
24:10playing out in the same
24:12fashion.
24:12So we are not sure
24:13whether Camp Sidra Maya
24:15would let D.K.
24:16Shukumar ascend the
24:18throne and perform his
24:20duties because you
24:20don't know as to what
24:22Sidra Maya wanted and
24:23why he is being forced
24:24down.
24:25One thing we know he
24:26wanted to break
24:26Devraja's record.
24:28He was accommodated.
24:29The other thing
24:29probably Sidra Maya
24:31had in his mind is to
24:31never let D.K.
24:33occupy the throne
24:33which probably has
24:34failed now.
24:35So therefore you never
24:36know what's going to
24:36happen and we only hope
24:39that governance or
24:40administration which
24:41has taken a backseat
24:41for the last three
24:42years would at least
24:43find some mention in the
24:45last two years of
24:46Congress government
24:47because we are sure in
24:492028 it is going to be
24:50the BJP which is going
24:53to form the government
24:53and it will be BJP-CM.
24:54You don't think this
24:55governance has been
24:56crippled?
24:56Absolutely not.
24:57Akshita I'd be happy to
24:58share with you Karnataka
24:59under Sidra Maya as the
25:00chief minister is the
25:02second largest contributor
25:02of the GDP of the
25:03nation.
25:04When it comes to GST
25:05collection we are number
25:06two.
25:07We have outpaced the
25:08national growth by 6.2
25:09percent.
25:09Agriculture has grown by
25:104 percent and our GDP
25:12has grown by 7.4 percent.
25:14Our beautiful city of
25:15Bengaluru continues to be
25:17the startup capital of
25:17India and we are the
25:19Silicon Valley of the
25:19East.
25:20The fact that you know
25:21for a Sidra Maya who's
25:23been one of the greatest
25:24movements of Karnataka
25:25I in the movement leader
25:26a leader of the backward
25:27classes Dalits SCST all
25:30of that and a greatest
25:31Kuruba leader it is
25:32definitely going to be a
25:33setback if he has to
25:34take down his step.
25:35So then why is he being
25:36made to do it?
25:36But let me tell you like
25:38like DK Shukumarji said
25:39a promise is a promise
25:41and a word is a word.
25:43Therefore high command
25:43coming in with the next
25:44generation leader.
25:46Mind you if it was not
25:47for a Sidra Maya working
25:49and a DK Shukumar congress
25:50would not come into power
25:52of 136 MLAs.
25:54And a DK Shukumar is
25:55undoubtedly the
25:56troubleshooter for the
25:57congress party.
25:58He was called by Rajdeep
25:59as a rainmaker because he
26:01made things happen in
26:022023 elections and a
26:04rainmaker plays the most
26:05decisive most imperative
26:07rule.
26:08The fact of the matter is
26:09I as a Karnataka would
26:12definitely want to see my
26:14state shining and thriving
26:15under the congress rule
26:16and my dear friend
26:17Prashant of the BJP his
26:19dreams to remain a dream
26:21even after two years I
26:22definitely say like you
26:23said in fact I agree with
26:25you Satish Jharki Holi is
26:27undoubtedly the front
26:28runner to be the next
26:29adhyaksh of the Karnataka
26:31Pradesh congress committee.
26:32The fact of the matter we
26:34in Karnataka would want to
26:35see the best of rule.
26:36The fact of the matter is
26:38undoubtedly there are
26:39challenges when it comes to
26:40infrastructure.
26:42There are other challenges
26:43that we see here in
26:44Bengaluru.
26:45But of course if the
26:46congress is able to
26:47maintain a stable
26:48government if Sidra
26:49Maya Ji's faction is
26:50taken care of if his son
26:52is made a cabinet
26:53minister.
26:53There are a lot of ifs
26:54there Abbas.
26:55There are going to be
26:56because let us understand
26:57just let me complete my
26:59friend.
26:59I didn't interrupt you.
27:00You don't need this
27:01debate at all.
27:01My dear this is not
27:02number TV.
27:03That is statements of
27:03Abbas carefully.
27:04Sidra Maya's faction.
27:06If this happens, if that
27:07happens which means there is
27:08no certainty at any level.
27:10So I will answer that
27:10because my dear friends
27:13it's my turn to speak.
27:14But it is completely
27:15uncertainly at its best.
27:17Yeah.
27:18Without interruption sir
27:18I did not interrupt you.
27:19The fact of the matter is
27:20Akshita BJP has a
27:22fading memory.
27:23They have forgotten how
27:24Yadiyarapra was dethroned
27:26from the chief minister
27:27and a Basaraj Bammai was
27:28brought in.
27:29There are fractions
27:30between the BJP itself.
27:32We know the fights which
27:33are taking place between
27:34a Vijayendra or a
27:35Narashog.
27:35There is a camp which is
27:37also BJP.
27:38BJP is at its weakest
27:39right now because the
27:40formidable force of a
27:42DK Shivkumar the
27:43troubleshooter and a
27:44Sidramaya is belligerent.
27:46But it's also been
27:46handed over at a
27:47platter.
27:47Mr. Shastri your view
27:49also what's playing out
27:51can a DK Shivkumar be
27:52a Sidramaya?
27:53Sidramaya is a veteran
27:54leader huge support base
27:56huge popularity.
27:57DK Shivkumar has his
27:59strengths there's no doubt
27:59about it but not the
28:01same as Sidramaya.
28:02Yeah I think both leaders
28:03bring very different
28:04elements to the table.
28:06I think and that's one
28:07of the success one of
28:08the reasons for the
28:09success in the congress
28:10of the congress in 2023
28:12was that the two leaders
28:13with their own strengths
28:15Sidramaya with the mass
28:17grassroots support
28:18DK Shivkumar with his
28:19organizational capabilities
28:21got together.
28:24So you know tomorrow I do
28:26not you know even if once
28:30the hand officially the
28:32hand of guard takes the
28:33passing of the baton takes
28:35place I think DK Shivkumar is
28:37going to bring in his own
28:38strengths.
28:39it's you know he but at the
28:42same time moving towards
28:442028 the congress will need
28:48the support base that Sidramaya
28:52had built up.
28:53Question has the Ahinda grouping
28:56been sidelined Abbas as a result
28:57of all of this?
28:59I would definitely say it's not
29:01so because Sidramaya you know
29:03as per what our sources tell us
29:05it was supposed to be a two and
29:07half years and he wasn't okay
29:08with that come on then it
29:09would have happened in
29:09November.
29:10You're right about that
29:11absolutely he wasn't okay
29:12with it but why did the high
29:13command delay?
29:14Let us understand Kerala
29:15elections took place on the
29:17cherry of course Assam and
29:19other states so therefore this
29:20was delayed due to this
29:21reason.
29:22Let us also understand that
29:25Kerala is easy for the high
29:26command but it's taken three
29:28years.
29:29We've been seeing you
29:30Akshita on India today you
29:31Rajdeep Nagarjun saying
29:32Nandaka in Karnataka for the
29:34last three years and finally it
29:36took three years to really
29:38pacify this leaders let me tell
29:39you what I hear is a large
29:42number of MLAs siding with a
29:44Sidramaya but if Sidramaya
29:46himself has accepted this
29:48decision and if it is going to
29:50lay out the red carpet
29:51tomorrow for DK Shivkumar I
29:53definitely want to know what
29:54has been offered to our Sidramaya.
29:57What a little buddy told me was a
29:59lollipop like a Rajya Sabha.
30:00I think for a tall leader a CM
30:02leader Rajya Sabha is a no-go.
30:03Well what do you do?
30:05And Sidramaya is a grassroot
30:06leader.
30:06No but this is the problem.
30:08What I hear is deputy chief
30:09minister just one point.
30:10They want to make it a
30:11rehabilitation ground.
30:13Let him come in.
30:14You dethrone Sidramaya.
30:15We are not bothered whether
30:17Sidramaya becomes CM or DK Shivkumar
30:18but you can't say Sidramaya's son
30:21should be accommodated because
30:22Sidramaya is vacating his seat and
30:24then he goes to Delhi for what?
30:26It's not a rehabilitation center.
30:27So therefore this congress
30:29adjustment politics to say that
30:31look Sidramaya will be accommodated
30:32here.
30:32Why?
30:33If there was a deal done so be it.
30:35We are not concerned about it.
30:36But I repeat the high command
30:38has also realized that three
30:40years has yielded nothing but
30:42misgovernance.
30:42So you're saying Sidramaya was a
30:44failure as a chief minister?
30:45Definitely because you tell me
30:46the figures that Abbas was
30:48quoting doesn't need a Sidramaya
30:49anybody.
30:50Bangalore as such is growing
30:52independent of Sidramaya's
30:53policies because if you look at
30:55the loans that Sidramaya has
30:57made or the borrowings that
30:58Sidramaya has made it's a record
30:59in terms of the amount of
31:01borrowings by Sidramaya as a
31:02chief minister.
31:03So therefore he outpaces every
31:04other chief minister in the past.
31:06So therefore Abbas to say that
31:07Karnataka is growing.
31:08Yes Karnataka is growing.
31:10Bengaluru is growing.
31:12But to say that it is because of
31:13Shikumar or Sidramaya it's
31:14probably insult to the
31:17intellectual capabilities of
31:18Bengalurians and Karnataka.
31:19He can't do that.
31:20I will answer that.
31:21That's a very formidable point
31:23that my opponent has raised.
31:26Let me tell you Karnataka as a
31:27state undoubtedly India is a
31:28sovereign nation.
31:29It's a federal structure.
31:30But Karnataka as a state
31:32Akshita there are debts there
31:33are no doubt.
31:34But the real question is
31:35Maharashtra is not under debt.
31:37Uttar Pradesh is not under
31:38debt.
31:38Bihar is not under debt.
31:39I can list out a dozen BJP
31:42states which are also
31:43thriving in this debt.
31:44But that's okay.
31:45But the amount of capital
31:46expenditure which Sidramaya
31:47wanted to spend vis-a-vis what
31:49he's spending is at a
31:50dismal low.
31:51Because he's not
31:53investing for Apex.
31:54He wants to dole out
31:56money for guarantees and
31:57not for capital expenditure.
31:58Ashita, the fact is
31:59Karnataka as a state is
32:01thriving and shining.
32:03Every fact statistics will
32:04answer.
32:04If everything is thriving
32:05what is the need to change
32:06the chief minister?
32:07Yes, I will answer that.
32:08That's a big question.
32:09That's a very important
32:11question that you've asked.
32:12The reason why the change
32:14of chief minister I will
32:15answer you why.
32:16A DK Shuf Kumar was given
32:18a choice.
32:20Go to jail or come to BJP.
32:22BJP tried Sam, Dam, Dand,
32:24Bhed.
32:2450 days this man was in
32:26jail.
32:27This was the man who has
32:28come on.
32:29A corrupt man being in
32:30jail does not mean BJP
32:31will accept him.
32:32He was in jail on
32:33corruption charges.
32:34He was in jail on
32:35corruption charges.
32:38Abbas is talking as
32:39he was in jail and
32:41he was in no place.
32:42Have you proved the
32:43charges?
32:43No.
32:45Abbas, does it
32:46make sense?
32:47He was arrested and
32:50he is still on bail.
32:52He is not in
32:53action.
32:54He is still on bail.
32:55That does not mean that
32:56Shif Kumar is a clean
32:58politician.
32:58He is one of the
33:00politicians who has
33:02amassed illegal
33:02welfare.
33:03The cases are going
33:04on.
33:04The cases are going
33:05on.
33:06He is on bail.
33:07Like his leader Rahul
33:09Gandhi, like his leader
33:10Sonia Gandhi, he is on
33:12bail.
33:12Let him answer.
33:13My friend, very
33:14honorably, I did not
33:15interrupt you.
33:15Allow me just one
33:16minute to counter your
33:17points respectfully.
33:18The fact of the matter,
33:19let us look at the ED's
33:21conviction rate.
33:222%.
33:22It is used only against
33:24opposition leaders.
33:25The fact of the matter,
33:26DK Shiv Kumar came back.
33:27He became the
33:28president.
33:28He became the
33:29president of KPCC.
33:31KPCC rewards.
33:33He is rattled.
33:33This man is rattled.
33:35Just because DK Shiv Kumar
33:37went to the
33:38prison, came back as
33:38the president, does it
33:40mean you remove someone
33:41who the state is
33:41thriving under?
33:42You're saying he's
33:43given the welfare schemes,
33:44guarantee schemes, he's
33:45done all the development.
33:46Why remove the chief
33:47minister?
33:48Just live images coming
33:49in right now of Sidra
33:50Maya.
33:50He is just leaving from
33:51the Vidant Souda.
33:52We'll just cut across
33:53live together.
34:12Now just receiving
34:14after receiving
34:14the report,
34:16the cast census report,
34:17he would be heading back.
34:18But this report is quite
34:19important.
34:20The timing is quite
34:21important.
34:22Remember,
34:22together with
34:23Vatiga and
34:24the Lingayat who are
34:26the backbone of the
34:26NDA vote bank,
34:28they might be up to
34:2925%.
34:30They're chanting
34:30right now.
34:31I can hear slogans
34:32being raised in
34:32my supporters because
34:33of this.
34:34Yes.
34:34While going back,
34:35people on the
34:36staircase of Vidant
34:37Souda asked,
34:38you know,
34:38saying Sidra Maya
34:40Zindabad on the
34:41staircase of the
34:42state of the
34:43Vidant Souda.
34:43And this cast census
34:45report is quite
34:46crucial and important.
34:47The 24 hours
34:48remaining at
34:49CCM, he wants
34:50to send out a
34:50message that
34:51Ahinda politics
34:52still exists.
34:53He's still the
34:54mass leader for
34:54the 75% of
34:56OBC's Dalits and
34:57the Muslims existing
34:58in Karnataka.
34:59He wants to say
35:00that you are
35:00picking someone
35:01from within a
35:0212% or 13%
35:03margin of
35:04population while
35:05you're letting me
35:06go where I come
35:07and I get support
35:09of the remaining
35:0975.
35:10That's the
35:11messaging that
35:11Sidra Maya
35:12And it's a show
35:12of strength.
35:13This is a power
35:13flex right now
35:14when you're seeing
35:15these kind of
35:15crowds gather.
35:16I'll bring in
35:17Mr. Shastri
35:17quickly on this
35:18as well.
35:19Mr. Shastri,
35:19this is the
35:20biggest challenge
35:21for the Congress
35:22High Command.
35:22That, you know,
35:23he's got the
35:24OBC card,
35:25this is his
35:25calling card,
35:26and the Congress
35:27High Command
35:27will have to
35:28send out a
35:28message that
35:29whatever they've
35:30given him,
35:30it's not a
35:31lollipop as
35:32Abbas puts it,
35:32it's a proper
35:34position worth
35:35his stature,
35:36worth his
35:36seniority.
35:37Yes, I think
35:38that's going to
35:38be good for
35:39the next 22
35:40hours as to
35:40how they
35:41deal with
35:42the fallout
35:43of the
35:43OBC groups.
35:43Either ways
35:44if you
35:46held on to
35:47Sidra Maya
35:47as that
35:48but now that
35:49they've decided
35:49there were
35:50going to be
35:51repercussions.
35:52And I think
35:52one of the
35:53repercussions
35:53is going to
35:54be how are
35:54you going to
35:54deal with
35:55the fallout
35:56particularly
35:56amongst
35:57the OBC groups
35:58who may not
35:58be too happy
35:59with the
36:00decision taken
36:01by the
36:01High Command.
36:02But Mr. Shastri,
36:03does Sidra Maya
36:04represent only
36:05Kurva community
36:05as a leader
36:06or does he
36:07have support
36:07from the
36:07Hidikas,
36:08from the
36:09Marathas.
36:09BJP seems
36:10to be having
36:10their vote
36:11bank.
36:11So is it
36:12enough good
36:12to say that
36:13Sidra Maya
36:13is a large
36:14OBC leader
36:15or just a
36:15Kurva leader?
36:16I think he
36:17represents at
36:18a broader
36:18level the
36:19Ahinda politics
36:20point that
36:20we have been
36:21discussing and
36:22the reality
36:23is that
36:23despite the
36:24change of
36:24guard,
36:25in 2028
36:27Ahinda politics
36:28is going to
36:28be an important
36:29factor in the
36:30Congress's
36:31calculations.
36:32Did you expect
36:32any protests
36:33to erupt in
36:33the sense when
36:34the decision
36:35was made?
36:36Did you think
36:36that there
36:37would be
36:37organic
36:38protests from
36:38the community
36:39members saying
36:40we need
36:40justice?
36:41Because it's
36:41not happening
36:42as we speak.
36:44there is going
36:45to be some
36:46unhappiness.
36:48The fact of
36:48the matter is
36:49Sidra Maya
36:50is a leader
36:50who has
36:51significant
36:52grassroots
36:52support.
36:53So when a
36:53decision like
36:54this is taken
36:54there is bound
36:55to be some
36:57unease.
36:57I think the
36:58challenge now
36:58is going to
36:59be how do
36:59you deal
37:00with it.
37:00And I think
37:00that's where
37:01the crucial
37:02what's going
37:03to be crucial
37:03is where do
37:05you accommodate
37:05Sidra Maya.
37:06I think he
37:08would prefer,
37:09I think the
37:09indications are
37:10he would prefer
37:11to stay in
37:11Karnataka rather
37:12than go to
37:13the centre.
37:13Let me just
37:14break down
37:15why, and I'll
37:15come across to
37:16you gentlemen,
37:17let me just
37:17break down
37:17right now why
37:18Sidra Maya is
37:20unhappy right
37:21now.
37:21There are of
37:22course a couple
37:22of factors beyond
37:23just the
37:23compromise formula
37:24which is that
37:25he's always sent
37:26across a message
37:27of being extremely
37:28loyal to the
37:28high command.
37:29He's not been
37:29rewarded for it.
37:30Instead he's been
37:31told listen to us,
37:33step down as
37:33chief minister.
37:34Despite the
37:35loyalty that he
37:36showed to the
37:36high command where
37:37he said that if
37:38you ask me to
37:38resign, I'll
37:39resign.
37:39That's exactly
37:39what's happened.
37:41And so that's
37:41been something
37:42that's got him
37:43rather irked
37:43saying that just
37:44because I'm
37:45loyal to you,
37:46it's almost as
37:47as if the
37:47situation has
37:48been exploited.
37:49He's also of
37:50course got an
37:51issue with the
37:52fact that while
37:52you've had for
37:53the last many
37:53months this fight
37:56playing out between
37:57D.K.
37:57Shivkumar and
37:58Sidra Maya,
37:59D.K.
37:59Shivkumar has
38:00won ultimately
38:01this round.
38:01Let's be very
38:02clear, he's
38:02gotten everything
38:03he's wanted.
38:04Whereas Sidra
38:05Maya now is
38:05figuring out what
38:06exactly should be
38:07the compromise
38:08formula.
38:08So he's feeling
38:10after delivering a
38:11victory after the
38:12governance that he's
38:13delivered, he's
38:14feeling used, he's
38:15feeling sidelined as
38:16well.
38:16And whatever formula
38:18that the Congress
38:18high command has
38:19come up with of a
38:20Rajasabha seat, he
38:21simply feels it's not
38:22good enough.
38:23And that's why there
38:24is an emotion of
38:26respect deficit.
38:27That if he says I
38:28want to be in state
38:29politics, the Congress
38:31high command is unable
38:31to figure out a way
38:32of how to ensure
38:34it.
38:34So that's the issue
38:35that he feels that he
38:36sent across several
38:37feelers to the high
38:38command and he's angry
38:40that a lot of it has
38:41been essentially
38:42ignored.
38:43The Gandhis have
38:44ignored what he's had
38:45to say which is that he
38:45wanted to complete a
38:46term.
38:46And so that is what's
38:48got him rather upset.
38:50I want to bring this
38:50back to D.K.
38:51Shivkumar and what we
38:52were discussing just
38:52before we went into
38:54that breaking update.
38:55And Abaz, you may say
38:56that you know going to
38:57Tihar jail, he's
38:58withstood all of that.
38:59It's a corruption
39:00case.
39:01It is a corruption
39:02case.
39:02But the point that I
39:03was raising to my
39:04friend of the BJP is
39:07which Nita does not
39:08have cases against him.
39:09Is there a conviction
39:09order?
39:11Yes.
39:12Sidra Maya.
39:13Yes.
39:13Right up until
39:13recently.
39:16Akshita, you need
39:17to be fair.
39:18He's interrupting.
39:19Wait your turn, my
39:20friend.
39:20Wait your turn.
39:22The fact of the
39:23matter, let us
39:23understand with D.K.
39:24Shivkumar, there is
39:25no conviction order of
39:26the ED Court or the
39:27High Court or the
39:27Supreme Court.
39:28There are cases against
39:29hundreds of ministers
39:31across our country.
39:33The fact of the
39:34matter is he was a
39:35student leader, a
39:36grassroots leader of
39:36the Congress Party, a
39:38five-time MLA from
39:39the Kanatpura.
39:39And this man over the
39:40last 30, 40 years has
39:42given his life to
39:43Karnataka.
39:44Let us also understand
39:45that Congress Party
39:46back in 2023, this
39:48decision was amicably
39:50taken between all of
39:51them.
39:51The Congress High
39:52Command, including
39:53Suryawala, Casey
39:55Venu Gopal, the
39:55Gandhis, Mr. Sidra
39:57Maya and Mr. D.K.
39:58Shivkumar, they all
39:59agreed that it is
40:00going to be a two
40:01and a half, two and
40:01a half years.
40:02All of them there
40:03in the room.
40:04Akshita, one point
40:05of concern, when my
40:07friend mentions all
40:07the names, they
40:08don't even for
40:09respect and courtesy
40:10mention Malikarjan
40:11Kargay's name, which
40:12means the Congress
40:13President is a
40:15persona non grata
40:16for Congress
40:18leaders and its
40:19supporters.
40:20We know what
40:21he had to go through
40:22when he had to
40:23be through.
40:24Mr. Rabas, wait,
40:26wait, wait, don't
40:27interrupt, wait,
40:29Mr. Malikarjan
40:30Kargay had to wait
40:32outside the
40:33Al-Qarjah
40:33Kargay's domination.
40:34He had to
40:35peep through.
40:35Imagine the
40:36humiliation
40:37this will go
40:37through.
40:38And now even a
40:38political analyst,
40:40not even a
40:40Congress worker,
40:42even a political
40:42analyst would not
40:44take out
40:45Kargay's name.
40:46Imagine Kargay's
40:46plight.
40:47He was recrying.
40:49Even a political
40:49analyst would not
40:50take Kargay's name.
40:51Okay, well
40:51spotted.
40:52Mr. Prashant
40:53all has said is
40:53well spotted.
40:55Well spotted.
40:55No, I have to
40:56wrap this up.
40:57I don't have much
40:57time.
40:58So, Naga, final
40:58word to you,
40:59because I'm hoping
41:00you won't outshot me.
41:02Definitely not,
41:02Takshita.
41:03What's the timeline
41:03we're looking at?
41:04In next four to five
41:05days is crucial for
41:06DK Shukumar.
41:07So, he would be
41:08taking oath along
41:09with few senior
41:10ministers is what I'm
41:11told.
41:11The stage is set for
41:12him.
41:12Are there going to be
41:13three, four deputy
41:14chief ministers?
41:14That formula is still
41:15being worked out.
41:16Siddharamaya wants
41:17to ensure that he
41:17accommodates his
41:19supporters and
41:19followers.
41:20But DK Shukumar
41:21knows that he
41:22doesn't want to
41:22have multiple
41:22power centers.
41:23So, the
41:24negotiation is
41:24going on.
41:25The first step
41:25is the resignation.
41:27That has to
41:27happen.
41:28And post that,
41:29the next steps
41:29developments would
41:30start.
41:31And in all
41:32fairness, it's a
41:33generational shift
41:33in Karnataka
41:34politics.
41:35There's no more
41:36Devegaura in
41:36state assembly.
41:37There's no more
41:38Redu Rapa in
41:39state assembly.
41:39And this is the
41:40last socialist
41:41leader, at least
41:42in textbook,
41:43per se, in the
41:43definition.
41:44DK Shukumar,
41:4564.
41:4564.
41:46And by Indian
41:47politics standards,
41:48that's a young
41:48politician.
41:49Because Chief
41:50Minister Siddharamaya
41:50is 79 today.
41:52So, that's the
41:52reason why I'm
41:53saying, not just
41:54that, he belongs
41:55to different
41:55ideology.
41:56While he's a
41:57true socialist
41:58man, at times
42:00when you meet
42:00him, you genuinely
42:01feel the connect
42:03that he has with
42:04people and the
42:04grassroots level
42:05that he's worked
42:06in.
42:06He comes from
42:07the Mysore district
42:07also.
42:08So, that's when
42:09I'm saying it's
42:09an end of an era
42:10for Karnataka
42:11politics.
42:12No Eri Rapa,
42:13no Siddharamaya,
42:14no Devegaura,
42:14in the State
42:15Assembly.
42:16And so, you
42:16would believe
42:16that fitting his
42:17legacy, there
42:18should be a
42:19position that
42:20he's happy with,
42:21looking at what
42:21he's served and
42:22how long he's
42:23served for.
42:24Thank you very
42:24much, gentlemen,
42:25for joining us
42:26here.
42:26I'll hopefully
42:27have you with me
42:27tomorrow as well
42:28if we don't see
42:29already the
42:30climax getting over
42:31and this political
42:32thriller coming to
42:32an end.
42:33But thank you
42:33very much,
42:34Syed Asada Abbas,
42:35Mr. Shastri and
42:36Mr. Prashant for
42:37joining us here.
42:38Always a pleasure.
42:39What's interesting
42:40is that the
42:40Congress High
42:41Command has
42:41taken a step on
42:42multiple fronts
42:43here.
42:44You know,
42:44we're looking at,
42:44yes, a decision
42:45being taken in
42:45Karnataka,
42:46but it's interesting
42:47if you look at how
42:47the Congress High
42:48Command has
42:49suddenly in the
42:49last few weeks
42:50decided to go all
42:52out and taking
42:52very swift,
42:54important,
42:55game-changer
42:55decisions.
42:56Starting off with
42:57Tamil Nadu,
42:58right after the
42:58mandate,
42:59dumping the DMK,
43:00joining hands with
43:00the TVK,
43:01doing it in a
43:01matter of 24
43:02hours,
43:03when usually
43:04what you'd be
43:05used to hearing
43:06from the Congress
43:06is, you know,
43:07huddle after huddle,
43:09months of deliberation
43:10till the opportunity
43:11is lost.
43:11That didn't happen
43:12in Tamil Nadu.
43:12They swooped right
43:13in.
43:14Of course,
43:14at this point,
43:15we'll have to see
43:16whether it was a
43:17win or not.
43:18Second,
43:19Kerala.
43:19Again,
43:20a conundrum that
43:21the Congress High
43:22Command found
43:22themselves in.
43:23There were a lot
43:23of questions of
43:24the delay,
43:2410 days and
43:25counting,
43:26no decision taken,
43:26but ultimately,
43:28they chose the man
43:29that people wanted.
43:30It was difficult
43:31because there was
43:31Casey Venu Gopal,
43:32powerful, influential,
43:34close to the Gandhis,
43:34but they took a
43:35decision based on
43:36what the public
43:37sentiment is and
43:38went to a BD
43:38Satishan.
43:39And now,
43:39you have Karnataka
43:41where they've
43:42decided,
43:43and again,
43:43this is a
43:44controversial move,
43:45but one that
43:46many said had to
43:48be taken,
43:48but difficult to
43:49take.
43:50The Congress
43:50High Command
43:50has bitten the
43:51bullet on that
43:52too and has
43:53made it very
43:53clear that,
43:54yes,
43:54they are telling
43:56Sidra Maya to
43:57step down and
43:58giving D.K.
43:59Shroof Kumar
43:59his fair chance
44:00at being the
44:01Chief Minister.
44:02So,
44:03interesting
44:03developments that
44:04we've seen really.
44:05Is this a new
44:05Congress in the
44:06sense of how
44:07really they're
44:08taking their
44:08decisions?
44:09Has Rahul Gandhi
44:10changed up his
44:11formula, his
44:12strategy saying,
44:12you know,
44:13we're going to
44:13go ahead and
44:14take those risks,
44:15take those hard
44:16decisions?
44:17We'll wait and
44:17see.
44:18But as of now,
44:19in Karnataka,
44:20much like a churn
44:22in Kerala,
44:23much like a churn
44:23in Tamil Nadu,
44:24in Karnataka
44:25too,
44:26winds of change
44:27coming up.
44:27There was
44:28violence and
44:29chaos on the
44:30streets of
44:30Tiruvannantapuram
44:31today as a
44:32result of ED
44:32officials conducting
44:33a raid at
44:34former Keralam
44:35Chief Minister
44:35Pineda and
44:36Vijayan's
44:36residents.
44:37So much so
44:38that ED
44:39officials right
44:40after the
44:40raid weren't
44:41allowed outside
44:41of Vijayan's
44:42residents.
44:43Huge crowds
44:44had gathered.
44:44And while
44:45their vehicles
44:46were attacked,
44:46CRP officials
44:47were injured.
44:48The latest
44:49update is that
44:49four CPIM
44:50workers were
44:51taken into
44:51custody by
44:52police in
44:53connection with
44:53the attack on
44:54ED officials.
44:55What we
44:55witnessed was
44:56unprecedented.
44:57It sparked
44:57protests in
44:58Delhi, but the
44:59fact that you
45:00had violence
45:01breaking out
45:02because of
45:02this ED raid
45:03has sent
45:04shockwaves
45:04across the
45:05country.
45:05And the
45:06Keralam
45:06police has
45:07now cracked
45:07down.
45:08Four CPIM
45:09workers have
45:09been taken
45:10into custody
45:11is the update
45:12we have for
45:12you because of
45:13their role in
45:14the attack
45:15on ED
45:15officials, in
45:16the attack
45:17on CRPF
45:18officials as
45:19well.
45:19Unbelievable
45:20scenes that
45:21played out
45:21where the
45:22cars in
45:23which the
45:23ED officials
45:24came were
45:24vandalized,
45:25were smashed,
45:26their windshields
45:28were smashed
45:29by, in
45:29fact, the
45:30LDF workers
45:30who gathered
45:31hundreds of
45:32them outside
45:33Vijayan's
45:34residence right
45:35after the
45:35ED officials
45:36landed up
45:37there early
45:37this morning.
45:38They were
45:38conducting raids
45:39in connection
45:39with the
45:40CMRL
45:41corruption case
45:42in which
45:42Vijayan's
45:43daughter
45:44finds herself
45:45in the
45:45dock.
45:45Remember,
45:46the Kerala
45:46High Court
45:46refused to
45:47quash the
45:47case and
45:48the ED
45:48probe yesterday
45:49which is
45:49what prompted
45:50the raids
45:51today and
45:52yet it's
45:52taken an
45:53intense
45:53political turn
45:54with this
45:55kind of
45:56drama.
45:57shibhimul is
45:58joining us
45:59from
45:59Tirvanantapuram
46:00with more
46:00details on
46:01this.
46:01shibhi,
46:02crackdown
46:02now underway
46:03against all
46:04of those
46:04who indulged
46:05in violence
46:05in Tirvanantapuram
46:06today.
46:08The police
46:09have initiated
46:10action and
46:11the police
46:12have taken
46:12into custody
46:13four people
46:13four CPM
46:15workers and
46:16now there
46:17are eight
46:17more people
46:18to be taken
46:18into custody
46:19is what the
46:19police officers
46:20are saying.
46:21But the
46:21situation
46:21in Tirvanantapuram
46:22is not yet
46:23under control.
46:24That's the
46:24main update
46:25that we want
46:25to give.
46:26We are
46:26outside the
46:26CPM
46:27office here,
46:28CPM
46:28area committee
46:29office and
46:30the workers
46:30and the
46:31police are
46:31still on
46:32two sides
46:33almost ready
46:34to have a
46:34clash because
46:35the police
46:36wanted to
46:37enter party
46:38office and
46:38you know
46:39take into
46:39custody the
46:40party workers
46:40but the
46:41party leaders
46:41and the
46:42party workers
46:42put out a
46:44barricade
46:44saying that
46:45you cannot
46:46enter.
46:47So now
46:48also the
46:48situation is
46:48not under
46:49control but
46:50the police
46:50have initiated
46:51action for
46:51people taking
46:52into custody.
46:53The whole
46:53minister
46:53said that
46:54there was
46:55a conflict.
46:55Tensions
46:56continue to
46:56simmer there
46:57in Kerala.
46:58We are going
46:58to continue
46:59tracking this
46:59but unfortunate
47:00turn of events
47:01and violent
47:02turn that's
47:03played out
47:04to in
47:04Kerala.
47:04Shibi we
47:05continue coming
47:05across to
47:06you for
47:06those updates.
47:07Thanks very
47:07much for
47:08joining us.
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