00:00Get the money.
00:06This is case number 342 on the count of the man of Collins versus Williams.
00:10Pleased to be sworn in, you may be seated, sir.
00:13How old are you, Mr. Williams?
00:1525.
00:16What do you do for a living?
00:17Electrician.
00:18How long have you been an electrician?
00:20About four years.
00:21You freelance or you work for somebody?
00:23Work for somebody.
00:24Same job?
00:25No.
00:26How many different jobs have you had in the last year?
00:28Two or three.
00:30Have a drug problem?
00:31No.
00:31Ever have a drug problem?
00:33No.
00:35Never?
00:36Never had a drug problem.
00:37Did you ever use drugs?
00:39In the past, when I was a kid, yes.
00:41You have a gambling problem?
00:42No.
00:43Why is it that an able-bodied young man like you, 25 years old, who has a profession, has
00:48to take money from his mother?
00:50I didn't take money from my mother.
00:52Well, you did.
00:53It was given to me.
00:56You took, notice, I didn't use the word borrow, loan.
01:02You, in fact, took money.
01:04Bird, would you take these glasses from me?
01:09Now, I'm going to take them back from you.
01:12I didn't borrow them.
01:14Wasn't a loan.
01:15I took the glasses.
01:16He took the glasses.
01:17Do you understand?
01:18Why would a 25-year-old, able-bodied, non-drug-abusing electrician have to take money from his mother
01:26by having her pawn her jewelry?
01:29Financial problems.
01:31Well, you explain that to me, sir.
01:33Well, I mean, at the time, I was unemployed.
01:36Oh, well, I asked you about that.
01:37But at the time when she gave me money, I was unemployed.
01:40Why?
01:41Because I didn't have a job.
01:42They were laying people off.
01:44In my field, that happens.
01:45When there ain't work, they lay you off.
01:47And when you're laid off, Mr. Williams, what do you do?
01:51Well, you try to collect unemployment.
01:52Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't.
01:54Where do you live?
01:56In Dallas.
01:57Now, in Dallas, Texas, do they have car washes?
01:59Yes.
02:01They have people at the car washes that dry the cars when they're all finished?
02:04Yes.
02:06They're always looking for car dryers.
02:09Who were you living with at the time you lost your job?
02:12Myself.
02:13So you needed rent money?
02:15Yes.
02:15You have a car?
02:16Yes.
02:17You needed money for gas?
02:19Yes.
02:20And they repossessed your car?
02:22Yes.
02:23I'll get to you in a minute.
02:25And so your mother took her jewelry and you went and you pawned her jewelry, right?
02:29Yes.
02:30And you got your car out of hock?
02:32Yes.
02:33And then you owed somebody either some money or a television set?
02:38Yes.
02:39Tell me about that.
02:41Brought it over to my house.
02:42He needed a place to stay or I needed to put the TV somewhere because he was moving out of
02:46his apartment.
02:47And...
02:47Don't look at the floor.
02:48Look at me.
02:48I can tell everything.
02:50Mr. Williams.
02:51The bills were tight on my end so I pawned it and...
02:53So somebody left you their television to hold on for them?
02:57Yes.
02:58And keep it in your house?
02:59Yes.
03:00And you agreed to do that?
03:01Yes.
03:02And then you took the television set and you pawned it because you needed cash?
03:05Yes.
03:06What did you need cash for?
03:07Rent.
03:07Rent.
03:08Why didn't you get a job?
03:10I was looking for work at that time.
03:12In Dallas, Texas?
03:14Oh, I can guarantee you that there were restaurants always looking for help.
03:17Car washers always looking for help.
03:19Electrical companies weren't.
03:21If you got to eat, you got to work.
03:24You can't steal somebody else's property.
03:26That's what you did.
03:27You took somebody's television set and you pawned it.
03:29That's stealing their property.
03:31So this person was very angry at you?
03:35So you went to your mother and you told her that this person was very angry and was going
03:39to hurt you unless you got it back as television?
03:41He went to her.
03:42Oh, he went to her and said, I'm going to hurt him unless I get my TV back.
03:49How many children do you have?
03:50Five.
03:52Youngest or oldest?
03:53Middle.
03:54I have given him money in the past for, like, he's got a daughter.
03:58He was trying to get custody.
04:00I gave him that money.
04:02I gave it to him.
04:03That TV.
04:04I thought.
04:05I didn't even know he had a big screen.
04:07He sold eight rings of mine.
04:09He made a profit on them.
04:11Just a second.
04:12I'm not finished yet.
04:13Okay.
04:14I didn't make a profit.
04:16Everything went towards paying bills.
04:18When you went to get the television set out of pawn, the pawn shop for your friend,
04:23how much money did you pay for it and give me the name of the pawn shop?
04:26Cash America pawn shop, I don't know, it was about 500 and some change.
04:31Not exact.
04:32And how much did you get for your mother's rings?
04:35The exact amount that it needed to be paid for.
04:37Or did you get a couple of hundred bucks more?
04:40Huh?
04:41Huh?
04:42Or did you get a couple of hundred bucks more?
04:45No, I don't think I got a couple of hundred bucks more.
04:48Well, let's see.
04:49Do you have any points?
04:49Yes, I do.
04:52Here's for the TV there.
04:54There's where he got the $4.50 and all my rings for that day, the pawn.
05:05So the loan amount on the TV was $4.50, is that right?
05:08And he got $5.19.75?
05:11That's what it cost to get it out.
05:13And how much did he get for the rings?
05:15To get it, he got $845.75.
05:20What did you do with the rest of the money?
05:21That was $326 profit.
05:23Bills.
05:24Did you ask your mother if you could use the rest for bills?
05:27No.
05:28So then you stole from this man and you also stole from your mother?
05:31No.
05:32Yeah, you did.
05:33No.
05:34You could say no all you like, I guarantee you, I'm going to have the last word, sir.
05:40Guaranteed.
05:41If your mother pays off a debt for you because she's afraid for your health and your welfare,
05:47and she says, here, take these rings and go and just get it done.
05:51My health was never in danger.
05:53I wasn't afraid of my life, neither.
05:55Far from that.
05:56I don't care what anybody threats.
05:58They just buried one of his friends two weeks ago because of his friends, okay?
06:03Those things, listen.
06:05Yeah.
06:05It happens.
06:07Yeah.
06:07Right?
06:08Yeah.
06:09It happens.
06:09He's not afraid.
06:11He's not afraid.
06:12You never know it that day, okay?
06:13Yeah.
06:14Well, tell me what happened on that day.
06:16When he found out what was going to happen, he started, Mama, please, just give me the
06:22money.
06:22Just give me the money.
06:22I'll pay you back.
06:23I'll pay you back.
06:24I didn't say that.
06:24Yes, he did.
06:25Where are you coming up with that?
06:26Mr. Williams, Mr. Williams, I don't want to hear you.
06:27But she's lying.
06:28No, I'm not.
06:29Listen to me.
06:30Listen to me.
06:30Have a talk with him.
06:32Sure.
06:41You're not listening to me.
06:45I want you to listen.
06:47Just finish the case.
06:49Speak when you've spoken to.
06:50It's a good idea.
06:51Yeah.
06:52Okay?
06:53Sure.
06:53You understand me?
06:54Yeah.
06:54Okay.
06:57Mr. Williams, you're going to have an opportunity to speak again.
06:59Okay.
07:00When your mother is speaking, don't interrupt her.
07:04Judge Judy continues in a moment.
07:06Linda Collins says her son, Andrew Williams, pawned her jewelry so he could pay off his debts.
07:12Linda claims Andrew's life was in danger.
07:15When did he tell you that he would return the money that you gave him for the car?
07:19For the car, he told me that he would get the rings out and they all went in on separate,
07:24you know, tickets so he could get it back.
07:26And he made a couple of payments of $80 that don't cover interest, though.
07:31Here's the tickets for that, and they don't cover interest.
07:34So he made a couple of payments?
07:35No.
07:36He gave me two $80 payments and a $50 payment.
07:39That's interest.
07:40And I told him that.
07:41I said, Andy, this isn't getting the rings.
07:44This is interest.
07:45Okay.
07:46So, but he did give you some money?
07:48Yeah.
07:49There you go.
07:50Andy, how come you gave your mother some money?
07:53Goodwill gift.
07:56Here's a letter from the dealership.
07:58I don't need it.
07:59I don't need it.
07:59He's just a smart aleck.
08:01You know what?
08:01Yes, he is.
08:02Next time somebody threatens to break his kneecaps, let him.
08:05Mm-hmm.
08:06Let him.
08:07I'm his mother.
08:08He could do this to me.
08:09Yeah, let him.
08:10Okay, so that's the car.
08:11He made some payments on the things that he pawned.
08:14When you started to tell me, when this man came to you and told you that he had pawned
08:19this TV, did you call your son?
08:21Yes.
08:22And what happened when you called your son?
08:24He said, he's got to get the TV out.
08:26The guy was going to file theft and threaten damage to Andrew, everything.
08:30And I thought, I can't bury my son.
08:33You know, I can't do that.
08:34I'm a mother.
08:35A little bit of bullshit.
08:35Okay, so, I mean, I did what any mother, I loaned him the money.
08:40He told me he would get my jewelry back, not a problem.
08:44And he's an electrician.
08:45I don't even make $10 an hour.
08:46He's an electrician.
08:48He was an unemployed electrician, so it doesn't make any difference how much you...
08:51I can't help.
08:52He can't keep jobs.
08:53And he goes right back to work.
08:56He can't keep a job because if he's not using drugs, he has an attitude problem.
09:01There you go.
09:02Bingo.
09:04Unfortunately, you can't take a pill for that.
09:07I know.
09:07How much is it going to cost to get all your rings out of...
09:10A lot of my rings have been sold.
09:12Well, how much is it going to cost to get what's left?
09:16It's going to run right around $5,000, but the value was $13,000.
09:22But he didn't care.
09:24Can I see photographs, please?
09:25And here's one of the rings that's sold now.
09:28That's the...
09:29It was certified.
09:31That's what that is.
09:32Okay.
09:34Judge Judy?
09:35Yes.
09:36This is what he has now that's more important.
09:39Listen to me.
09:40He won't have it for long.
09:42I know that.
09:43You're right.
09:43So don't...
09:44You know...
09:44It's paid every month.
09:45I ain't worried about that.
09:46He won't have it for long.
09:47I know that.
09:48So...
09:49Got it?
09:49Yeah.
09:53Mr. Williams, the truck that you now own, did you buy new or used?
09:57Brand new.
09:59And how much money did you put down on it?
10:01A thousand.
10:02How come you didn't get any of these rings back for your mother?
10:06Because I didn't owe her any money.
10:07Judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of $5,000.
10:10Don't give him any more money.
10:11Oh, I have no intention.
10:12Good.
10:13If you're excused, you may step out.
10:16His real attitude came out.
10:18That's my son.
10:19I'm embarrassed for him.
10:21When I bought that brand new truck, she kind of got angry with me because it's brand new
10:24and she drives a piece of crap.
10:25I had to stalk him to try to get my money and I couldn't get it out of him.
10:29It would be a nice break.
10:31She kind of gets on my nerves sometimes.
10:33Oh, he'll get a break.
10:34When I get him on Texas, he's getting a break.
10:37She just listened to a bunch of lies from my mother.
10:39I don't believe any of it.
10:40I'll take care of that boy when we get to Texas.
10:43Okay, we have our own ways to deal with stuff.
10:45I will take care of him.
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