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00:00B. Scott, we had a spirited conversation earlier today.
00:05And I'm not surprised, but I find it very interesting
00:13that the final two games of C.J. Stroud, which were bad,
00:19I mean, he went into Pittsburgh and New England
00:23and, I mean, just threw up all over the field.
00:27Set a record.
00:28On himself, on his shoes, on his hair.
00:32That's maybe why he had to cut it.
00:33He threw up all over himself.
00:35Oh, I've been there.
00:36I've been there.
00:37Oh, man.
00:38When you get it in the hair, oh, my God.
00:40Oh, my God.
00:40When you're going down and you didn't have it tied.
00:43Oh, man.
00:44I ain't never had that.
00:45Or when you think you got all of it and then maybe a couple of weeks later
00:50you realize that you didn't.
00:51Oh, a couple of weeks later.
00:53It's just been hanging in there.
00:54It's just dry and it looks like it's part of the situation.
00:57What do you do at that point?
00:58Oh, I mean, if they're long enough, which I've been fortunate.
01:01You just cut them off.
01:01Just go ahead and – well, not the whole thing.
01:03You just cut that off.
01:04Yeah, I mean, it's just –
01:05That part off.
01:05Yeah, it's like we're done here.
01:06Yeah, no, this one's got to go.
01:07This one's got to go.
01:08This one's got to go.
01:09Can't have a throw-up dread.
01:11Not a – like, not a clean it real hard, you just cut it.
01:13No puke locks around here, baby.
01:15Not if I see them at least.
01:17Now, if they get past me, that could happen.
01:19But, to put that all in and – to put a ball in that –
01:25You struck a nerve there with that one.
01:27Wait a minute there.
01:28It was bad.
01:30But, like, for me, this isn't about contract.
01:32And I see some people on the text line talking about contract.
01:35This isn't even about contract to me, Brandon and Tyler.
01:38I just find it interesting that after those two performances,
01:42which were games 51 and 52 of his career, regular season and playoffs,
01:51and we've seen all the other 50 games that he has played,
01:56I find it really interesting that those two games have, in a way,
02:04defined what type of quarterback we think he is more than the others.
02:07Because it – you tell me if I'm wrong, Tyler.
02:10It feels like people view C.J. Stroud in the Bryce Young,
02:18Daniel Jones, Kyler Murray area.
02:22Some fans, yeah.
02:23Like, absolutely.
02:24And I'm not even saying just fans, but, like, NFL people.
02:28Yeah, the way he's talked about it at large.
02:29The way he's talked about is not – like, someone just texted in,
02:33he's not franchise worthy.
02:34That would be those guys.
02:37Guys, what got me here is I'm watching get up, and they got a –
02:40all right, make it or break it.
02:41It's a make it or break it year for C.J. Stroud, and they're like,
02:46yeah, man, we got to figure out if this guy's a good quarterback or not.
02:49Oh, what?
02:52Like, yes, again, he doo-dooed and threw up all over his dreads.
02:57So much so, he didn't just have one, apparently threw up on all of them
03:01because he cut all his hair off.
03:03Start over.
03:03Start it over.
03:04It was bad.
03:06But, man, he ain't Tua.
03:10He's not Daniel Jones.
03:12He ain't Kyler.
03:13And, yes, sir or ma'am, he is a franchise quarterback.
03:18That's what he has shown outside of those two games.
03:20Those two games are a strict outlier.
03:23Now, I'm not saying anything about if you should pay him $55 million to $60 million,
03:27all that.
03:27I'm just simply saying I think we, as NFL people, B. Scott and Tyler,
03:34are overblowing the two games in terms of determining what type of quarterback he is.
03:41I don't think I walk away from that coming around thinking that he has dropped to that level.
03:48I think he is still a really good quarterback in this league that had an awful, awful two games,
03:55but a sample size of 52 games in which 50 of them, he never showed us anything like that before.
04:04So, when you first brought this conversation to me earlier in the day,
04:08and I gave you my short answer, I did agree with you.
04:12You said it is overblown.
04:13It is overblown.
04:14Like, I don't think that you're wrong in which I think you're actually correct.
04:18I think it is overblown.
04:19And I'll give a couple of.
04:21Not the money, but in terms or a contract.
04:22No, the way that C.J. Stroud is talked about as a quarterback is there being,
04:27are we giving too much weight to the last two games that we saw,
04:31the two playoff games, which, as you pointed out, were objectively horrible, okay?
04:35Are we giving too much weight to that and not enough weight to the totality of his career up to
04:41this point?
04:41And I agree with you that it is overblown.
04:44I'm going to give a couple of things just to remind people of who C.J. Stroud is exactly, all
04:49right?
04:49So for quarterbacks that have been drafted as high as C.J. Stroud, one or two, all right?
04:54There's only one quarterback that has won more games up until this point,
04:59like up until this point in their career, that has been drafted that high, and that's Andrew Luck.
05:04He passed John Elway, Peyton Manning.
05:06He is the most successful, highly drafted quarterback outside of Andrew Luck in the Super Bowl era, all right?
05:14So that's how good it's been with C.J. Stroud so far, all right?
05:18His record is something like 28-18, and he's got like a 93-and-a-half passer rating.
05:25Like that's how good he's been over the totality of all of this.
05:29So he's been –
05:30Yeah, 46 regular season career games.
05:34Yeah.
05:3463, almost 64 completion percentage, 62 touchdowns to 25 picks, and like you said, a 93-and-a-half rating.
05:42And then he's got another stat here where all time, the only quarterbacks –
05:49there are only three quarterbacks all time to throw 50-plus touchdowns
05:54and 20 or fewer interceptions in their first 37 career games.
06:00Those guys are Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and C.J. Stroud.
06:05So the start of his career is in really good company.
06:09Like if you want to break it down, micro stats, macro stats, some of these little factoids
06:15that I just gave you right there, it's been a really good start to his career, man.
06:21But I also pushed back and said this is a part of – these are the breaks when you are
06:27a franchise quarterback
06:28or when they're trying to figure out if you're a franchise quarterback, whatever the case may be.
06:32When you've been as successful as C.J. Stroud has been up until this point in his career,
06:37this is how you are held accountable for the type of performances that we saw in the postseason
06:42to the point to where, yeah, now we are questioning, hey, is this – is he closer to this
06:47or is he closer to the larger sample size?
06:50And even, I think, more urgent than that, it's like, okay, it's not like he's one of those quarterbacks
06:56that's been passed this round, right?
06:58Like other quarterbacks get the benefit of the doubt, say if they have been to an AFC championship game,
07:02say if they have been an MVP, let's say they have won a Super Bowl, they get the benefit of
07:07the doubt.
07:08This happened to C.J. Stroud in the round and rounds that are as far as he's ever been.
07:14He's never been further than this.
07:16And I don't think you can ignore the fact that the Texans had high hopes, especially Texans fans.
07:21You're like, hey, the only thing that kept me from getting to my first AFC championship game as a fan
07:27or my first Super Bowl as a fan was this performance from the quarterback who, yeah,
07:33I got to step back and reevaluate now.
07:36Not is he good at all, but how good is he really?
07:39I know you said, hey, this is not about the contract,
07:41but I think the contract is just a big part of the conversation
07:44because you do now have to make some serious decisions about his future.
07:48It's not this ho-hum, oh, it's a great rookie story type of thing anymore.
07:54Like, you got to make serious decisions,
07:56and your most recent and valuable information on the guy is not good.
08:00So, yes, it's an overreaction, but I also understand and can rationalize the overreaction
08:07considering this is kind of what we do when we follow sports.
08:13We're not –
08:14We have a recency bias problem.
08:16What we're doing with CJ, though, is different than others.
08:20Like, I would say –
08:22I think CJ's case is different than others.
08:24I would say when Justin Herbert walked in and threw four interceptions
08:29against the Texans last year in the playoffs,
08:32and that's coming off of his only other previous playoff performance
08:35was him and his team blowing like a 30-point lead to the Jacksonville Jaguars
08:40and losing to them, the thought of that was not saying,
08:45boy, I wonder if Justin Herbert – we got to see if he's going to be a good quarterback again.
08:48There is also a common complaint that Justin Herbert is not held to a high enough standard
08:53for the way he is considered as a player or thought of as a player.
08:56Like, that's also out there.
08:58Fair. It's out there.
08:59But nobody has quit – nobody sent him to the two-over space.
09:03Yeah.
09:03Nobody –
09:04Right.
09:04And he wasn't – he hadn't been good at any of the playoffs.
09:06I'm one of the guys that you're talking about.
09:08Like, I'm part of the Justin Herbert –
09:10Oh, yeah, you are Justin Herbert.
09:11– propaganda.
09:11And, like, I'm part of the Justin Herbert problem.
09:13And I have to acknowledge that it's a problem,
09:16that he has not lived up to what I said he was.
09:19So you would say, like, he's been – he's been worse across the board,
09:26especially in the playoffs, than CJ, right?
09:28Like, he has not been –
09:30There's not a – it's a factual statement.
09:32And both of them have had similar issues of injuries
09:36and poor offensive line play and receiver weirdness.
09:40So, yeah, they both in the similar bowl of things.
09:44Nobody sent him to Siberia in quarterback play.
09:48Nobody was sitting there saying,
09:49Boy, we got to wonder if Justin Herbert is a good quarterback.
09:52I'm just surprised.
09:53I can get it from a recency space, but I am blown away.
09:59I'm not blown away that the Texans or people are wondering,
10:02Boy, I don't know if you want to pay him yet.
10:03Let's hold up.
10:04Let's use that 50-year up.
10:05I can understand that.
10:07But, like, he is a good quarterback
10:11and should be talked about to me in the Jordan Love range,
10:18in the maybe Jalen Hurts range.
10:25Like, he should be talked about –
10:27and maybe Jalen – I don't want to disrespect Jalen.
10:29This guy's been to the two Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP,
10:31but I'm just saying, right?
10:32See, like, I think Jalen Hurts is allowed to have the game that CJ had.
10:35I think Jalen Hurts is allowed to have those two games that CJ had
10:39because he has been to two Super Bowls.
10:41Yeah.
10:42Justin Herbert is not.
10:43Jordan Love is not.
10:44Like, neither one of those two guys, and I understand your point,
10:47it kind of is a little bit of what about isn't happening,
10:49but, like, the point still is valid.
10:52Like, all of those quarterbacks should be treated the same
10:56if they have the performance that CJ Stroud had.
10:59So, like, so the issue with Justin, to your point, that's a problem.
11:04Like, that's more of a, hey, we need to talk about Justin Herbert
11:07the way we're talking about CJ Stroud versus, hey,
11:09we should cut CJ Stroud some slack type of thing.
11:11I think the correction needs to be on the other side,
11:14and we need to hold all of the quarterbacks to the same standard.
11:18But under no circumstances should a quarterback who is up for a contract extension,
11:22who has the playoff performances that CJ Stroud had,
11:26be able to go into an offseason or go into the next season saying,
11:30all right, y'all, this was the outlier.
11:32We're not going to really factor that in.
11:34We're going to go, hey, 28 and 18 over the course of your career
11:37and your passer rating.
11:39We're just going to focus on the good and pretend like that bad didn't happen
11:41even though it cost us a Super Bowl or an appearance to a Super Bowl.
11:45Like, all of that.
11:46And to say, hey, now we've got to decide.
11:50Everything that you've done already is cool.
11:52You've proven that you are a good quarterback.
11:54Everything that you say is valid.
11:55But now we are projecting, and I said this to you before,
12:01have we seen the best of him?
12:03Did he peak early?
12:05Does it get any better than this?
12:06I thought about this back even when he had his rookie season.
12:09I thought, hey, would it be good enough for Texans fans
12:12if CJ Stroud never improves,
12:14if he's just exactly what he was his rookie year?
12:17And I think a lot of us agreed yes at the time.
12:19Instead, what's happened is there's been a regression.
12:22The circumstances around him have not been ideal.
12:27And I think you could even argue that this past year he was neutered
12:30based off of the offense that they were running.
12:32But all of that factors in to how you view him as a player both now and in the future.
12:38Tyler, do you have any questions if CJ Stroud is a franchise quarterback,
12:45a good quarterback?
12:46By the way, all franchise quarterbacks don't win Super Bowls.
12:49That's fair.
12:50Right?
12:51That's a good point to make.
12:52Phillip Rivers is a franchise quarterback.
12:54He didn't win a Super Bowl.
12:55Josh Allen is a franchise quarterback, and I'm not trying to compare him.
12:58I'm just simply saying all franchise quarterbacks don't win Super Bowls.
13:02Do you have any questions that he is a franchise quarterback or a good quarterback?
13:06Well, to that, no, I probably have minimal to zero doubts about CJ being a franchise quarterback.
13:12But do I have faith and belief that CJ Stroud can take the Texans where they've never been before?
13:19There's some worry there.
13:20That's fair.
13:21Yeah.
13:22That's different.
13:23Franchise quarterback most likely.
13:25But that's also where the Texans are.
13:27That's the question that they've got to answer.
13:30And so whether he's a good quarterback or a franchise quarterback is almost beside the point
13:35if you don't think that he's –
13:36Well, I think also good and franchise are two totally different things.
13:40Tua is a good quarterback.
13:41Is he a franchise quarterback?
13:43People probably think no.
13:44Well, I don't know.
13:45I think Tua was a good quarterback.
13:47Well, I'm just saying.
13:48Even when he was a good quarterback, was he a franchise quarterback?
13:52I think it's debatable, right?
13:53Like there are good quarterbacks and there are franchise quarterbacks.
13:57He might be a good one.
13:58How much do you want to pay?
14:00Do you want simply a good one?
14:02And maybe the answer is yes.
14:03I think what Tyler just said is very different than, yeah, man, I think those two games,
14:09I just watch him, I'm dropping him to the Bryce Young level.
14:13I'm talking to him like I'm talking at Kyler.
14:15I mean, Bryce Young is like when we do stock up, stock down on this show,
14:20Bryce Young stock is up.
14:22Like I would say that right now those two guys are trending in the wrong
14:26or in opposite directions.
14:27The stock is up.
14:28He ain't close to CJ.
14:29The stock is up.
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