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Believe Me - Season 1 Episode 3
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00:12I had a big win at the casino earlier.
00:14Faulty great!
00:15Oh, Al.
00:16I was wondering if you'd have a drink for me.
00:19I think I was raped last night.
00:21I used to put something in my drink.
00:22If he did do something, why would he drive you to a police station?
00:24Stop saying if!
00:27Therefore, I do have to tell you that our investigation
00:29has been closed down.
00:30It just, it feels like you don't believe me.
00:32So this taxi driver offers you a drink and you take it?
00:36He was taking me home for a fiver.
00:38I mean, it's difficult to keep saying no.
00:40The taxi driver pushed this tablet in my mouth.
00:43If he did assault you,
00:44then it would be extremely unlikely for him to drive you home.
00:47His cab would be identified on university CCTV.
00:51They're asking how you want this designated as a crime.
00:53Just tell them not known at present.
00:56Because quite some time has passed,
00:58the substance you were given may not be present anymore in your blood.
01:03So how many times you've been out with this guy, then?
01:06Four?
01:06So pretty serious.
01:07Yeah, I like him.
01:10I have been informed, Layla,
01:11that the Crown Prosecution Service
01:13has declined to proceed with any charges.
01:16If you would like to come and collect your clothing and possessions,
01:19I can arrange for somebody to hand them over to you.
01:21You're going to need to hang on to them
01:22because one day you're going to need them as evidence
01:23when you realise you were wrong about me.
01:27I'd like to report a rape.
01:29He's a black cab driver.
01:31That's four attacks.
01:32And we haven't really got started on a proper search.
01:40Over there.
01:41He's a wee fat one.
01:42You see Mummy?
01:45Mummy, yeah.
01:46Who's that?
01:47Mummy!
01:48Hello, sweetheart.
01:49Look at that balloon.
01:51Hey, do you want her?
01:54Can I say hello to your baby brother?
01:57This is Lenny.
01:58Hello, Lenny.
01:59Can I touch him?
02:00Of course you can touch him again.
02:02Good boy.
02:06Oh, big grunts.
02:09How's it feel, Daddy?
02:12I can't believe it.
02:13What do you think?
02:14He looks pretty.
02:15Oh, he is pretty.
02:16He's very pretty.
02:18You're amazing.
02:19How are you?
02:21Yeah, my back's killing me.
02:23Leaking milk all over the place, but...
02:25Happy.
02:27What do you think?
02:28He looks lovely.
02:29You don't think...
02:3630 grand!
02:38On a scratch card!
02:40I couldn't believe it!
02:42I mean, like, something like that never happens to people like me, does it?
02:46Er, no.
02:47Never.
02:49Congratulations.
02:50Anyway, I can't drink because I'm driving, so this is on me.
02:57Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:00Cheers.
03:07Cheers.
03:10No, I'm an idiot, really.
03:12You know, the first thing you do is you go and buy a bottle of champagne, then you.
03:15You win money as big as that, but, like, I'm driving, and I just didn't think.
03:20I'm so excited.
03:23What am I like?
03:26Cheers.
03:26Cheers.
03:30Cheers.
03:30Cheers.
03:30So, how broad-minded are you, then?
03:34You won't believe some of the stories people tell me in this cab.
03:39What guys are prepared to pay for when it comes to sex?
03:42Can you let me out, please?
03:47Look, would you say, give someone a blowjob for a lot of money?
03:52Like, you know, like, say five grand.
03:54Would you give a guy a blowjob for five grand?
03:57Look, I've texted my husband.
03:59He'll be waiting for me.
04:00See, yeah, you're a gorgeous looking girl.
04:03I'd love to have sex with you.
04:04I want to make a few quid on the side.
04:06Let me out.
04:07Open it.
04:07Just think of it as a bit of a laugh, really.
04:09Let me out.
04:13That's my husband.
04:15Let me out.
04:16Open it.
04:24You're really wasting my fucking time tonight!
04:28My team has now taken over this investigation, and the number of attacks we are investigating
04:34has now risen to five, after further searches of our database revealed another possibly linked
04:41sexual assault in June 2005.
04:44So the plan is to put out a press release on Friday morning, with the object of making
04:50the women of London aware that there is potentially a serial sex attacker out there driving a black
04:56cab.
04:57Why has a link between all these attacks only just been made?
05:00Or from what you've just told me, he's been doing this for a minimum of three years.
05:03So why wasn't a link spotted before now?
05:07Aren't your team supposed to be looking for links the whole time?
05:10The link was picked up during a routine review of sexual offences.
05:13Routine?
05:14Well, your other routine reviews couldn't have been very thorough then, could they?
05:17Not if this was missed for three years.
05:20We're doing all we can.
05:23One other question, why Friday?
05:26Why wait until Friday to get this out there?
05:30Plans have to be put in place.
05:32What about all the girls going out in London tonight?
05:35They're in danger too, aren't they?
06:04No, no, no, no, no, no.
06:05You stay down, right?
06:07They're in danger.
06:08Eh?
06:10What are they doing?
06:11They're in danger.
06:18Don't at him.
06:22They're in danger.
06:38The key information is that we believe there is a black cab driver out there tricking women
06:44passengers into drinking a glass of champagne which he has drugged and then sexually assaulting
06:50those women now typically he tells them he's had a win at a casino or on the lottery and
06:56that he wants them to celebrate with him then he offers them the champagne now we have linked
07:03five cases so far but we believe there are more which is why we're asking anyone who recognizes
07:10this method or any method similar to this to come forward and help us identify this man
07:15what he said to me this time what's he done now and i thought he was joking right but he
07:21says
07:21if i bought you a ring would you move in with me and i'm like what type of ring and
07:25then he says
07:26a friendship ring what exactly i said you can get lost mate a friendship ring do you want me to
07:32be
07:32your house mate can i get veggie sausage please he's taking the piss isn't he just the one yeah
07:38thanks rachel what's up
07:44i need the supervisor
07:47a nurse works at a haven centre
07:51well she said she saw the sun today and in july of last year they dealt with a girl with
07:56an almost
07:56identical story driver said it won bigger the casino or for the champagne that she was convinced was
08:01corrupt well that's it that's enough six victims
08:04yeah but the important bit is the cab was caught on cctv at a university halls of residence
08:09we've got a name and address for the driver
08:13john derrick warboys lives in rotherhide
08:18he'sÄ…st
08:19the
08:19the
08:19the
08:20the
08:20the
08:22the
08:27the
08:30the
08:48what's all this about mate john war boys yeah i'm a police officer you come down and open
08:56the door please i've been out working all night what do you want come down and open the door
09:16what is it i'm derek wool boys i'm arresting your suspicion of six counts of sexual assault
09:22between 2005 and 2008 you do not have to say anything but it may harm your defense if you
09:27do not mention my question something which you later rely on in court
09:35you're on the way back to something liquidy now house is being searched
09:39why didn't she flag dave the girl then has told us about yeah right i um i checked that out
09:47seems it wasn't ever recorded as a crime so there's no criminal intelligence report in
09:52the system what it was only logged as a crime related incident but that's against protocol
09:57the starting point is that she should be believed
10:26the starting point is that she should be believed
10:45a suspect was arrested earlier today so we are now asking any women who think they may have been
10:51attacked by this man to please come forward they may well feel that something has happened to them
10:58but might not be certain what but it's important for everyone who recognizes this man's behavior
11:04to get in touch with us as a matter of urgency do i admit making a mistake getting into the
11:11back with her
11:12could say got in the back to help her find her stuff and she flashed her tits at me
11:20and what would you say to any women who do come forward who are perhaps feeling scared
11:24or vulnerable i would say that they will be supported that they will be listened to
11:32and that they will be believed
11:38i'd go coast me over phuket every time every time i mean both in thailand but hannah said she sold
11:44three holidays in coast me in the last night what do you think of coast me yeah it's all right
11:50i'm going there next year defo love coast movie i've just warmed me up though hannah can you order
11:58some more a4 can you get a coconut scented candle can you go out and get me a coffee at
12:02almond milk
12:03not dairy i've actually got a question to ask you hannah what's your man's bloody slave dial uh i'm
12:08sorry i think i've forgotten something you what um can you just just tell hannah i won't i won't be
12:12a minute
12:34they didn't even warn me it's him isn't it yeah yeah
12:43it is it is him it's exactly what he did to me
12:49why am i finding out about it from a newspaper oh what the fuck what the fuck am i supposed
12:55to do
13:01frankie i'm just feeding the baby are you watching the news what just turn the news on now icv
13:07oh one second
13:13typically he tells them that he has won some cash at the casino or on the lottery
13:18then he offers them a drink of champagne which he has drugged most of the women who have so far
13:24come forward have no memory of what happened in the period after drinking the champagne
13:31they uh said at the start of the report that he was a black cab driver
13:35that's exactly how you said it happened they wouldn't listen to me
13:39i thought i was going mad i know you've got to call him sarah no
13:46oh i can't go through that again
13:51please just think about it i haven't even told dad what happened i was told by a friend about the
14:00story in the sun newspaper today and when i read it i knew straight away that this man had done
14:05something similar to me
14:09yes it was in july of last year i was told when my case was going to be closed down
14:15that one of your
14:15officers didn't think a black cab driver would risk his license by assaulting a fair that that is what
14:20was said to me look what i want to know is if the man who was arrested today is the
14:27same man who
14:28attacked me last year can you at least tell me that please i i don't need a name
14:39okay thank you very much i've got to go now
14:46it's the same man
14:51a long time ago five years ago before i met you
14:59i was raped
15:04but nobody believed me the police didn't believe me not even connor believed me
15:13but the man who did it he's done it to other women too and he's just been arrested
15:23come here um it's so sorry i don't need to cuddle
15:29i've put it behind me and that's where it's gonna stay
15:33they've asked people to come forward but i'm not going to
15:39you have to go please see her it's enough that i know after all these years i was right
15:47that that man did drug me he did attack me
15:53beyond that i don't want to waste any more of my life on him
16:11okay
16:12okay let's start with the allegations of you touching female passengers in your cab
16:17in a sexual way how do you respond to this no comment mr warboys will not be answering any of
16:24your questions tonight as is his right but he has prepared a statement which he is prepared to read out
16:29to you now
16:31okay john
16:32let's see what you have to say
16:49i am innocent of all the allegations that have been put to me
16:54i have never made sexual contact with any passenger whilst in my cab
16:58and i have also never administered any form of drug to a passenger also whilst in my cab
17:09i am innocent of all of these allegations that have been put to me
17:13and offended that anyone would think that i as a respected black cab driver would be capable of behaving in
17:20this despicable manner
17:29okay john you will be detained for further questioning and we're also going to need some swabs and a dna
17:39sample from me
17:53it's been white hot all day how many link cases
17:5743 43 positively linked same description same murders operandi and that number is only going
18:05to rise when the lines open again tomorrow 43 yeah i mean 43
18:12what is happening here
18:48i just gotta get it all straight in my head before i call them
18:52a cup of tea yeah please thank you
18:56come here
18:57i called him a lovely man
19:06he gave me a cigarette and i said he was a lovely man
19:14can't be that i fucking said that to him
19:18you're doing the right thing
19:25come on
19:29why did nobody tell me that you were going to arrest this man
19:35very sorry about that
19:37why did i have to find out about it through the newspapers and the tv
19:41the answer is to do with the original team who investigated your complaint
19:45it seems they only recorded it as a crime related incident
19:50and not as a crime
19:53so your details and the details of the complaint were never
19:57properly in the system right
20:02right
20:05because you know they
20:08they didn't really believe anything that i said
20:10i'm not going to sit here and try and defend the original investigation
20:12good
20:13because it appears that mistakes were clearly made
20:18to be told effectively that i was lying was devastating
20:25do you understand that
20:29absolutely devastating
20:32and i've had to live with that for the last five years
20:38my parents were devastated when i left uni but i've never told them
20:45all my brothers
20:48what happened to me because we're not that kind of family so when the police
20:52the only people that i thought would
20:57support me turn their backs on me that left me totally alone
21:01well if the cps had reviewed the evidence in your case perhaps that might have been a different
21:05outcome but unfortunately that is wait wait sorry um did you did you just say that the cps did
21:13not review my case
21:16no
21:20i was told that the crown prosecution service had looked at all the evidence
21:26and decided not to proceed which is which is why they closed the investigation in the first place
21:35no i can tell you that the cps did not review the evidence in your case
21:40the decision to close your investigation was made by the senior officers overseeing it
21:48they lied to me i am sorry to say we haven't been able to locate your achieving best evidence video
21:55or any of the items of clothing you told us about
22:00what none of the items you were wearing that night were where they should have been
22:02in the evidence store
22:11i reckon they got rid of all my evidence when he was arrested because they knew it would make them
22:15look bad i don't know if that's the case i only hope that it isn't now i'm guessing they were
22:22looking
22:22for the classic date rape drugs such as rehypnone didn't find any no no no but they told me that
22:27they found nothing like i was like i was lying like i was lying about being drugged that's the test
22:33showed diphenhydramine which is the active ingredient in nitol was found in your urine okay so if they'd have
22:40just asked me i could have told them that i've never knowingly taken that drug in my life
22:47there were drugs in my bloodstream yes citalopram codeine and morphine hang on i've never taken
22:55citala whatever it is my bloody life it's a prescription antidepressant never taken an antidepressant
23:03okay why didn't they tell me they found these things in my blood why did they tell me
23:11to feel like you're not being believed and then to find out they couldn't even be bothered to do
23:18their job properly i can't explain to you how angry and brutalized
23:34and bewildered i feel
23:41i would say that um based on just this conversation today you might have grounds for a formal complaint
23:49and if you like i could give you the the details of who to take that to
23:55and who would that be it's a body called the ipcc
24:01the independent police complaints commission
24:05you have heard about them i work for a firm solicitors
24:12the ipcc it's made up of ex-police officers isn't it yeah so the police market their own homework
24:21i can tell you now they'll find that nobody did anything wrong
24:23i don't know
24:52it's something that they could be a good job
25:12Layla Mahmood.
25:39Carrie Simons.
25:43Sorry.
25:50That's him.
25:52Okay.
26:02Sarah Adams.
26:23Oh God, yeah, that's him.
26:40I was talking to Mrs Purvis today at my art class.
26:45She said her daughter's decided she wants to study law.
26:49She said she warned her it's gonna take many years of hard work, but the girl seems adamant.
26:57She doesn't even want to take a gap year.
27:00She's gonna start in September.
27:04Admirable, don't you think?
27:12I'm going to the garden center tomorrow if you want to come, Layla.
27:17Pick up a few pots for the garden.
27:19Fancy her?
27:22No, I can't.
27:24Sorry.
27:25I have to work on Saturdays.
27:28Oh.
27:29Oh.
27:30Is that how it stinks?
27:31Yeah, okay.
27:33Work?
27:34I may enjoy it rather than enjoy it.
27:36You still smoking?
27:38Uh, no, I've quit.
27:41I mean, very occasionally.
27:43Hmm.
27:44I'm still trying to stop.
27:45Why?
27:47I'm just concerned about your health.
27:48Well, it's fine, isn't it?
27:50Yeah, well, that's good.
27:51That's good.
27:52But I just, I wanted to say I'm sorry.
27:56I saw the news.
27:59I know I've read the papers.
28:01I'm sorry for not believing you.
28:12Jack, go back into the kitchen and get yourself a Snickers out of the fridge.
28:16Just go into the kitchen, just take whatever you want, but just eat it in there.
28:20Go on, mate.
28:28Sarah, I'm sorry.
28:29Like, I'm so sorry.
28:31I was in a room the other day.
28:34It was full of women waiting to do identity parades.
28:39And...
28:40It almost killed me.
28:44All these women who'd gone through what I went through.
28:48Who would have been spared if...
28:52If they'd only believed me.
28:54Yeah, but you can't blame yourself then.
28:56Can't I?
28:59Did I try hard enough?
29:00Yeah, you did. I know you did.
29:02Just...
29:02Sorry.
29:09You know what? Life's okay.
29:11I'm happy enough.
29:14Gavin's a nice guy and...
29:17We've got Lenny and I.
29:20I thank God every day for you.
29:22Yeah.
29:26But I should have still been here, Connor.
29:30Living with you.
29:32Jack should have been living with his mum and dad.
29:36Should have been your wife.
29:39I loved you.
29:48That's how much this has fucked up my life.
29:56But thank you for your apology.
29:59I accept it.
30:05Jack?
30:09Uh...
30:10What's that?
30:13Come on.
30:18See you on Monday.
30:19See you later, mate.
30:23See you later, mate.
30:32See you later.
30:38See you later.
30:46We're gonna proceed in court with charges relating to 14 of the women he attacked.
30:5014?
30:52But there are loads more than that.
30:54That CPS wanna keep the case as simple as possible for the jury.
30:58They're worried it could get bogged down in too much detail.
31:01I'm not entirely sure I agree, but...
31:04Okay.
31:04We want you to be one of the 14.
31:07And give evidence in court against war boys.
31:10Me?
31:11But I'm still not sure what he did to me.
31:13That doesn't matter.
31:15You know, his offending had a pattern to it.
31:17And your experience exactly fits that pattern.
31:20And crucially, you had a really good recollection of most of your journey home with him.
31:28And the CPS also think that your mother's evidence about knowing that you weren't drunk,
31:34she thought you'd been drunk, will also be helpful.
31:38So you want me to give evidence too?
32:00I see...
32:01I see...
32:11Okay, so we've heard from the CPS.
32:14Because...
32:14The plan is...
32:16About 14 of the women are gonna speak in court.
32:20But they won't be asking you...
32:22To testify.
32:26Why?
32:27Well, the thing is, you...
32:28You didn't pick him out in the ID parade.
32:33It'd been a long time, and...
32:35He looked really different with me that night.
32:37And...
32:37Because so much evidence from your case has been lost...
32:40Fucking destroyed, in my opinion!
32:45It's about not giving the defence an opening, Sarah.
32:52That's hard.
32:54Because I wanted to look the bastard in the eye...
32:56And tell everybody what he did to me.
33:00I wanted to have my moment in court.
33:04I wanted to look him in the eye and say,
33:06Yeah, I'm sending you to prison because that's where you belong.
33:11I know.
33:12I'm sorry, Sarah.
33:14Sometimes in these...
33:15These big cases, it's easy to overwhelm the jury.
33:19So the strategy is to...
33:21To stick to the offences where we've been able to collect the most comprehensive evidence.
33:28And 14, is that enough?
33:30Well, the CPS are confident...
33:33That this will give the trial judge enough ammunition to put him away for a long...
33:37Long time.
33:44Mr. Warboys...
33:45...freely admits a good deal of the circumstances surrounding these events.
33:50For instance, he has always actively sought to engage female passengers in conversation in his taxi cab.
33:58Banter, as he calls it.
34:01And he sometimes did this by telling them...
34:04Falsely.
34:06That he had won money that night through gambling.
34:09And by showing them a bag filled with cash.
34:13But he says this was simply a conversation starter.
34:16And his objective was not sexual.
34:18It was simply female company.
34:21It was an icebreaker in that respect.
34:25He is adamant that any sexual contact between him and any woman in his taxi was consensual.
34:33That it was non-penetrative.
34:35And that it was initiated by those women.
34:44No, I don't remember feeling scared that night.
34:47You didn't feel threatened by Mr. Warboys?
34:50No, I actually thought he came across as sort of pathetic.
34:53Not some sort of predatory monster.
34:56Just a normal taxi driver engaging in some banter with you.
35:01I actually think that harmless demeanor is what makes him so dangerous.
35:06Precisely because he puts you off guard as he hands over his drinks from the front.
35:10He's like a... a professional con man.
35:14It's clear.
35:15Would you agree that your daughter had been drinking that night?
35:18A few drinks, correct.
35:21So I put it to you that it's reasonable to assume that she was intoxicated?
35:26I've never seen her intoxicated.
35:29She rarely drinks alcohol.
35:31She was in distress.
35:33She was insensible.
35:35She was like a rag doll.
35:37There was something else in her system.
35:39She was vomiting continuously.
35:43You don't get like she was that night, just from a few drinks.
35:57I swear by Allah that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
36:03the truth.
36:09Two large glasses of red wine.
36:13Yes.
36:15And you drank those, and then you go to the toilet, and you are sick.
36:21Yes.
36:22I... I sometimes get nauseous when I'm on my period.
36:26But that was not going to deter you from your plans for that evening, and you went back to your
36:30friends and carried on as normal.
36:33In your statement, you say you then had two vodkas and lemonade.
36:39Yes.
36:40And did your drinking stop there?
36:43Or did you have rather more to drink that night than you've told us about?
36:48Not that I remember.
36:50Shortly after you got into his taxi, Mr. Warboys handed you a glass of something bubbly.
36:56Maybe champagne, something like that.
36:59And you drank that too?
37:03Yes.
37:05Why?
37:06Because he forced me to.
37:10He wouldn't take no for an answer.
37:12Oh, but he's driving.
37:13He's in the front of the cab.
37:14Yes, but he just... he kept persisting, and persisting, and persisting.
37:19But he can't actually force you to drink it, can he?
37:21Well, he forced me to take the pill.
37:23We'll come to that in a minute.
37:24My question to you is why you felt you had to drink that champagne when you were not obliged to.
37:33Because...
37:37He wouldn't take no for an answer.
37:39Or is the reality that he was being a very chatty and personable taxi driver, engaging in some banter with
37:45you, who'd offered you a drink, and which you had accepted and drank perfectly happily?
37:53No.
37:54You say you remember him getting into the back of the cab with pills in his hand, and that he
38:01forced one into your mouth, right?
38:03Yes.
38:04And what are you doing to resist?
38:09Well, I'm trying to move him away from me.
38:16So you were perfectly able to struggle and resist?
38:19Yeah.
38:20But you don't mention struggling and resisting in your police statement.
38:28Well, if it's not there...
38:30It's not there, but I was...
38:32I was feeling quite drowsy after he made me drink the champagne.
38:36And after the pill went down, your mind is pretty much straight away a blank thereafter.
38:43Yes.
38:45So we really are in the realms of almost instant unconsciousness.
38:52Yes.
38:52Yes, that's right.
38:53Well, I suggest to you that you'd already consumed a large amount of alcohol before you got in Mr. Warboy's
38:59taxi.
38:59And that he did not give you a pill or force it down your throat.
39:03Do you disagree with me?
39:04Yes.
39:05And you can't make up your mind whether you could or couldn't fight him off, or did or didn't have
39:10a lot to drink, or pretty much anything else that night, because you were so intoxicated.
39:29Layla, I just want to thank you for giving evidence.
39:32I don't think there's any doubt he'll be found guilty.
39:36Yeah, I thought you held up really well in there.
39:38Did you?
39:39Yeah.
39:41Yeah, that was tough.
39:43Layla, can I get you anything? A cup of tea?
39:45No, thanks. I'd just like to go home.
39:47I'm Debbie from the police press office.
39:50I just wondered if you'd consider waiving your anonymity and providing us with some media interviews.
39:55What?
39:56We just thought if someone could stand up, someone articulate like yourself, and talk about what had happened to you,
40:02this might encourage more women to come forward.
40:04No.
40:05No, I can't. I can't do that. I'm sorry.
40:08Maybe you've got the wrong person.
40:10Sorry.
40:27Hi, I'm sorry. I'm Sarah.
40:29Do I know you?
40:30I've been through exactly what you've been through.
40:33Have you got time for a coffee?
40:36I wanted to punch that fucking barrister in his stupid face.
40:42And why is it okay for him to make out I'm a liar?
40:46Yeah.
40:46He was going through every tiny thing in your statement in minute detail just trying to find some little thing
40:51to pick away at.
40:52Why is that still happening?
40:54I was raging too. Just watch it.
40:56What is the point of this farce? He's fucking guilty.
41:00You know, I've been looking into bringing a complaint against the police for the way they treated us.
41:04And with me there was so much stuff that they missed out in the first few weeks. It was just
41:08ridiculous.
41:10Yeah, but it's their own disciplinary people, isn't it? What's the point?
41:14I'm not talking about going through the IPCC. I want to make some proper noise. I'm looking into suing them.
41:21Suing?
41:24Yeah. There's a lawyer I've been put in touch with who might be prepared to take it on.
41:29She's called Harriet Wistrich. She's got a great reputation.
41:34But I can't do it by myself.
41:36I had a quick chat with her and she said it'd be a much stronger case if there was someone
41:40else who had been through the same thing.
41:42So you're asking, do I want to sue the police with you?
41:48Well, yeah.
41:50You don't have to make a decision.
41:53Yes.
41:54What?
41:55Yes.
41:56Let's sue the bastards.
41:58Oh.
41:59Great.
42:00Yeah.
42:20You developed and perfected a web of deceit that was sufficient to ensnare young, intelligent and sensible women who had
42:31enjoyed a night out and whose only mistake, as it turned out, was to get into your cab late at
42:37night.
42:39There is no doubt that you continue to constitute a significant risk of serious harm through the commission of further
42:46offences.
42:47I therefore pass down on you an indeterminate sentence of imprisonment for public protection, with a minimum custodial term of
42:56eight years.
43:14I wouldn't worry about the eight years. As I understand it, the judge had to give a number, but a
43:20parole board still has to decide if it's safe to release him.
43:23Well, I can't see that happening.
43:26Eight years did spook me a bit.
43:28Yeah, he's not getting out.
43:30Anyway, Carrie, thanks for agreeing to do some interviews.
43:33I think if someone like yourself, someone so articulate can stand up, then it will encourage more women to come
43:39forward.
43:40I'm nervous, but if it gives others a voice, it seems like the right thing to do.
43:44Thanks again.
43:45Yeah, I'll start to get some things set up, okay?
43:47Okay.
43:48Thanks, Carrie.
43:50What have you got to do?
43:52Oh, just some interviews about what happened to me. They need someone to waive their anonymity and be a focal
43:56point.
43:57My goodness, do you think that's a good idea? You're so young. Do you want this hanging over you?
44:02Yeah. Well, they said it's important that more people come forward.
44:09I'm just sick of us all being on the back foot, Mum.
44:16Could he really get out that soon? Because the thought of him ever being released terrifies me.
44:20Me too.
44:21Well, theoretically, yes. After eight years, he could apply for parole, but in order to do that, he'd first have
44:29to admit to what he's done.
44:30And his position has consistently been that he is totally innocent.
44:35Right, so not just a psycho. A fake psycho.
44:38So his position is 105 women have all just made it all up.
44:42It's up to 105 now.
44:44Well, I was told the actual number might be nearer 500.
44:48Is that correct?
44:49That's what the police said.
44:51So what do you think, Harriet?
44:53There's potentially hundreds of women out there who have suffered needlessly because the police didn't do their job properly.
44:59Because they shouldn't be allowed to get away with what they've done.
45:01Well, neither of you qualifies for legal aid, so you're asking me to take this on on a no-win,
45:07no-fee basis?
45:09Afraid we are, yeah.
45:12Okay. Firstly, the problem is you can't sue the police for negligence.
45:17Why not?
45:17The law states that if they could be sued, they wouldn't be able to do their jobs properly because they'd
45:21always be looking over the shoulder waiting for the next writ.
45:24It's just how the law is, I'm afraid.
45:28But my advice would be to pursue this under the Human Rights Act, and argue that the police's actions-
45:34Or inactions.
45:35Or inactions.
45:36Or inactions.
45:37Infringed on your right to not be subjected to inhuman or degrading treatment.
45:42Well, that exactly describes what happened to us.
45:45Yes.
45:46The only problem is, is that it's never been done before.
45:50And, um, in your case, Sarah, there is a statute of limitations issue.
45:54You must take an action within one year, and it's been five years since the police investigated your case.
46:00And in your case, Leila, they could argue that, however ineffective their initial investigation was, they did ultimately arrest the
46:06correct man.
46:08Shall we close the door on the way out, then?
46:10But, the first thing I would do, is I would contact the police, and declare our intentions.
46:16Now, they will jump up and down, tell us we don't have a legal leg to stand on, and that
46:19we're out of time.
46:20But, they will have to disclose to us, statements, and other evidence.
46:26And I'm betting, that will throw up some pretty interesting stuff.
46:40Tamara will start saying talk, how hard do you deal with this law?
46:41The trailer is, isn't true.
46:55The trailer is a proper man.
46:55And, um, we're risk, receiving a message.
47:03He is, of course wanted to change our collection surroundings.
47:06You
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