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00:00Hello, coming up on the programme today.
00:02After skeletal remains of a man were found by campers in North Wales,
00:07can you help identify him?
00:10And do you recognise this man?
00:12He's wanted in connection with the distribution of class air drugs.
00:15He's been on the run since 2021.
00:18And how a beauty queen turned detective
00:21to identify the UK's most prolific catfisher.
00:24It is literally like the plot from a Hollywood film.
00:27Yeah, it really is.
00:28Still watching, this is Crimewatch Live.
00:31He's been jamming the switchboard both here and at the Instagram room.
00:36Just to remind you, this was the abduction and reno drop campaign
00:40and the handgun debate.
00:43Hello and welcome to Crimewatch 12.
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00:57Hello and welcome to what is our last show for this series.
01:01Over these last three weeks, we have brought you dozens of appeals
01:04and wanted faces from police forces across the country.
01:08Yeah, we've shared loads of exclusive films from the UK's biggest solved cases
01:12and over 4 million of you have watched our clips on the official Facebook page.
01:17And thank you to those as well who've provided some interesting leads from those two.
01:22This morning, how a trusted friend turned bookkeeper
01:26swindled an elderly couple out of nearly £1 million.
01:31Within the space of a year, all the money was all transferred,
01:35leaving them penniless so they can't pay for their care.
01:39And we'll be hearing how this gorgeous furry fella
01:42helps firefighters deal with the trauma of their job.
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02:13But first this morning, the discovery of human remains near a campsite in North Wales
02:18led to a murder investigation that is still puzzling detectives 10 years later.
02:26At 2043 hours on the 14th of November 2015,
02:31North Wales Police received a call
02:33to report the discovery of what they believed to be human remains.
02:39Two brothers were visiting Clocaenog Forest,
02:42a huge area of woodland in North Wales,
02:45to watch the whales rally GB.
02:47In the evening, they were camping
02:49and one of the brothers went off to look for firewood
02:53and in doing so, discovered what they believed to be a human skeleton.
03:02Clocaenog Forest is well known.
03:05It's near to Llinbrennig,
03:06which is a very popular lake for walkers, dog walkers
03:10and outdoor sports enthusiasts and the like.
03:14There was a patch between Emain Road and the forestry track,
03:17so the brothers were camping a little bit further up
03:21from where the skeleton was recovered
03:22and I would say in relation to the forestry track
03:26that the skeleton was maybe 10, 15 metres away from that track.
03:31The particular area is not an area that I would expect people to have frequented
03:36because of the dense undergrowth
03:38and the fact that it isn't very easy to walk through.
03:42As you can imagine, receiving a call like that was very uncommon.
03:47Most of those police forensics teams identified
03:50that the skull did appear to be a human skull.
03:54A CSI team has started with archaeologists excavating the area.
04:00The discovery sparked a huge forensic police dig
04:05which unearthed the near-complete human skeletal remains.
04:10The scene itself was particularly challenging.
04:13The crime scene investigators had to cut away the undergrowth
04:17and they've taken a layered approach.
04:20Not only have they done the undergrowth, they've taken away the soil
04:22and it's been a painstaking process that's taken place over a number of days.
04:29When we're examining that scene, not only are we looking to recover as much human remains as possible,
04:36we're also looking for forensics clues
04:38that will help us identify who that human remains belongs to.
04:43An experienced pathologist has had a look at the skull
04:46and has been able to say that there was inflicted trauma to the head
04:50which has left us clear that this was a murder investigation.
04:58Confirmed as a murder, detectives began working on identifying the victim.
05:03We've been able to say that this person must have been born before 1950.
05:08We know through examination that the skeletal remains belong to a male.
05:14We believe that the male was of heavy build.
05:18We believe that he was between 5 foot 8 inches tall and 5 foot 10 and a half inches tall.
05:25From examining the spine, we know that this male had arthritis.
05:30He would have suffered with back pain.
05:32That back pain may not have been disclosed to family or friends or loved ones.
05:40Detectives called in a forensic odontologist, Dr John Rosey, for help.
05:46His premolar teeth have got some very extensive cram work, root canal work and filling work,
05:54which is of a high quality.
05:56Now, the style of the dentistry is typical of dentistry that was done in the 90s, 2000s, possibly late 80s.
06:07The teeth are particularly important to us in this investigation
06:10and we are told that if you were that dentist performing that procedure,
06:15you are likely to recognise your own work,
06:18which would hopefully enable us to identify who this person is.
06:26Detectives used a facial reconstruction expert
06:29to depict what the Clocaenog Forest Man may have looked like.
06:34They've given us three different date ranges,
06:37what they would look like in their 50s, 60s and 70s.
06:41So this is a useful guide to have this facial reconstruction.
06:45But what I would say is, this is a depiction of what that person might look like.
06:51It's only a guide.
06:55But despite Detectives' best efforts,
06:59a decade later and the identity of the man and what happened to him is still unknown.
07:07We've previously disclosed that the date range that we were looking for is between 1995 and 2005.
07:13However, through working with many different experts,
07:16we've been able to overlay all their expertise
07:18and now we firmly believe that that male would have been left at that location
07:24between the years 2004 and 2011.
07:28Because of the delay and the time where we believe that that body was left
07:32and the time that we got notified,
07:34we don't have the benefits of a traditional crime scene.
07:38We're now ten and a half years on
07:41and we're still no closer to identifying who that victim is.
07:45It's vitally important that we identify who this person is,
07:49who does this loved one belong to,
07:51and from then we can start other lines of inquiry to identify
07:56how he's come about, his demise and who was responsible.
08:05And I'm now with Detective Superintendent Chris Bell from North Wales Police.
08:09You saw from the film there.
08:10Chris, remind us why you are treating this as a murder investigation.
08:15Good morning, Ralph. Thank you.
08:16So we're treating this as a murder investigation
08:18because back in November 2015,
08:21two witnesses discovered almost a full human skeletal remains in a forest.
08:28Well, let's have a look at the area itself where it was discovered.
08:30This is the map here.
08:31Just talk us through what that area would have looked like.
08:34The brothers who discovered it were looking for firewood for camping.
08:39We've got a main road coming along here
08:42and then you've got a forestry track.
08:44So this is less well trodden.
08:47This is a fairly, well, popular route.
08:51What have you managed to work out about the individual?
08:54So we believe from all the experts that he was Caucasian,
08:57that he was born between 1950s, and that's based on carbon dating.
09:02We also believe that he was between 5'8 and 5'10 and a half,
09:07that he was heavy build.
09:08And we also believe that he would have had arthritis in his spine.
09:13So he would have known that he was uncomfortable.
09:16Maybe his friends might not have known,
09:18he might not have mentioned it to anybody,
09:19but that might have been a feature that somebody remembers.
09:22And we can see here, you've got three different images that experts have created,
09:26but three different age profiles of what he may possibly have looked like.
09:31On the left, we've got him as if he was in his 50s, then his 60s, then his 70s.
09:37Obviously, we've only got the skeletal remains,
09:39so this is an expert's interpretation, depiction of what he would look like.
09:44I'd like to stress that if the other things that I've mentioned is height, his age,
09:49if they resonate with people and they think they may know who it is,
09:53but he doesn't necessarily look like this,
09:55please don't use that as a reason not to contact us.
09:57We want to hear from everybody if they think that somebody's gone missing
10:01between 2004, 2011, anybody's friends, anybody's loved ones, please call us.
10:07I'd also like to stress, if I may, that we're looking for the victim
10:10and this is not the suspect or the offender.
10:14Yeah, it's really important to make that.
10:16And we heard from the film there, and you've touched on it already,
10:18but the dental work, that is a vital lead for you, isn't it?
10:22And it could really help this investigation.
10:24Yeah, correct.
10:24So we believe that he's had missing back teeth in his younger years,
10:29and some of the dentist work that you can see here now,
10:33he's had some crown work to a high quality.
10:36That work was seen in the late 80s, 90s through to the early 2000s,
10:41and we firmly believe that if you were the dentist,
10:44you would recognise your work.
10:47It's quite unique.
10:48So if there's any dentists watching this, I would encourage you,
10:53please contact us if you recognise your work.
10:55Yeah, and also some clothing was found at the time.
10:58It was in a state of disrepair because it had been disintegrated over many, many years,
11:04but you've managed to piece together what it would have looked like.
11:06So we've worked with Pringle.
11:08They've been able to tell us that this jumper was an exact copy of what we found.
11:15They stopped manufacturing this in 2004,
11:17so it must have been worn by somebody or purchased by them prior to 2004.
11:25We also found some underwear.
11:28That was Marks and Spencer's underwear,
11:30and from the label we were able to say that it was a large size,
11:33again, indicative of what the experts are saying,
11:36that our male would have been a heavier set male.
11:39So today, who do you want to hear from?
11:41We want to hear from friends, family, anybody who's got an idea, neighbours, loved ones,
11:47anybody who went missing between 2004 and 2011,
11:50that you think it could be him.
11:53But it is a murder investigation.
11:55If anyone has information about the murder itself,
11:58there is a Crimestoppers reward.
12:00Of course there is, yeah.
12:01There's a £20,000 Crimestoppers reward.
12:04I'd like to emphasise that if anybody's got any information
12:06that can help us lead to identifying the offender,
12:10which results in a conviction,
12:11then you will be eligible for that £20,000 reward.
12:14Chris, thank you.
12:16If you have any information that can lead to an ID of this man,
12:21please do call.
12:21The contact details are on the screen now.
12:25We're going to talk now about Scotland's most prolific catfisher.
12:29So this is a woman who posed as a male doctor and then deceived over 100 women.
12:36It's an extraordinary story.
12:37It's actually on iPlayer now, so you can watch the documentary.
12:41But let's have a quick look at it.
12:45Time went so fast and I didn't sleep.
12:49Like, I was sitting on my phone looking for things and my laptop
12:53and it was, like, before I knew it, we were on to, like, 5, 6 in the morning
12:56and then I'd have a quick sleep and then I'd wake back up again.
12:58Like, I was consumed by it all.
13:05It's well worth a watch.
13:07We're joined now by criminologist Dr Elizabeth Carter
13:10and also Abbey Draper, who you saw there in the documentary.
13:13Thanks so much for coming in to talk about this.
13:15It is an extraordinary case.
13:17It's one, Abbey, you had experience with.
13:20So, first of all, can you just explain what is a catfisher,
13:23for those who don't know, and how did it happen to you?
13:25Yeah, so catfishing is basically a tool that someone will use
13:28to deceive other people and by doing that,
13:31they use other people's pictures and they can change their name
13:35basically to create this online profile.
13:39My grandad had been taken into hospital in 2014
13:42and whilst I was visiting him back and forth,
13:45I was actually receiving messages by someone online called David Graham
13:49and through a few conversations, David Graham had suggested
13:53that he was my grandad's physio and actually worked
13:56in the hospital that he was in.
13:59And yeah, from there, it just kind of spiralled.
14:02Yes.
14:02So, the interaction with you and this male medical expert
14:07that was messaging you started off quite normal, quite innocent
14:11and when did you realise something wasn't quite right
14:14with what was going on?
14:15Well, David had then uploaded this beautiful flyer
14:19of having an NHS charity ball and he was looking for entertainers
14:22at the time I was dancing so I had actually messaged him
14:26and said, oh, I would love to get involved in this
14:28and then we shared the poster and from there,
14:31others had said, oh, how do you know David Graham?
14:34Because I also know David Graham
14:36and then we kind of started to figure out
14:38that this person could possibly not be real.
14:42We then created a group called 007.
14:45Great name.
14:46Yeah.
14:47And then from there, we gathered more evidence to suggest
14:50that David Graham wasn't actually who he said he was.
14:53Yeah. So, David Graham was actually a woman called Adele.
14:55Yeah.
14:56Who was actually a nurse in the hospital.
14:59So, not a doctor looking after your grandad, a nurse.
15:02And Dr. Carr, can I just bring you in at this point?
15:04Why do people do this?
15:05Because this wasn't financially motivated.
15:07No, this is quite an extraordinary story.
15:10Although it's not financially motivated,
15:12it still is reward driven.
15:13It's all about the emotional reward that you get from it.
15:17So, you get the love and attention,
15:19also the psychological need,
15:21you get the power and the control and the influence.
15:24And also, you have this more experience-based reward.
15:27So, it's all about the thrill of getting away with it,
15:29particularly where there's this in-person element as well,
15:33endorsement saying, you know, I'm a doctor,
15:35you know, all that credibility you get from that.
15:38So, it's really designed to influence individuals
15:41on that personal level.
15:43So, we've seen many cases where scammers will pretend
15:46to be someone else in order to get money out of someone,
15:49for example.
15:49But this is slightly different,
15:50but it's still incredibly dangerous.
15:53Yeah.
15:53Why?
15:54It's extraordinarily dangerous.
15:55And in this case, and in many others like it,
15:58although it's quite rare,
15:59it does follow this pattern for escalation.
16:01So, we see, you know, the love bombing to start with,
16:04you know, pretending to be somebody else.
16:05But then we move into stalking, online deception,
16:08and then also sexual coercion as well.
16:11This is an incredibly dangerous escalation.
16:13And it continues.
16:14It's all about power and control.
16:16And what's incredible about this
16:17is how sophisticated it was,
16:19because there might be people at home going,
16:21well, hang on, how did you not realise it was a woman?
16:23But it was, she was using a voice app
16:25to change her voice into a male voice, wasn't she?
16:27And there was so many women connected to this,
16:30which you found out through your group
16:32and took to the police.
16:33Yeah, and I think as well,
16:34Adele was very good at manipulating people as herself.
16:38So, she was also given the credibility
16:40that David Graham was real
16:41by saying that David was her cousin,
16:43or she knew David,
16:45and almost validating to people that David was real.
16:48Yeah, it's worth explaining that to people.
16:50So, Adele, separately to this persona she created of David,
16:53was then also messaging you,
16:55was meeting some of the women,
16:56and saying, oh, David's really lovely,
16:58I know him.
16:59I'm backing up the story that she'd created.
17:01And Adele just looks like a very normal woman,
17:04could be one of your mates.
17:05Yeah, you believe her.
17:06Yeah, so you totally believed her,
17:07and you could see how that would then happen.
17:09But you took it to the police,
17:10and then what happened?
17:11Took it to the police,
17:12and then after a few years,
17:15more victims came forward,
17:16so we were building a big case here,
17:18and eventually in 2017 she was put in prison
17:22and she was charged.
17:25And, yeah, then it kind of escalated from there as well.
17:29And some heavy charges as well.
17:31So we've got stalking,
17:31as you said, Dr Carter,
17:32stalking, deception and sexual coercion were the charges.
17:36She was actually put in prison,
17:37so was that the end of it?
17:39No, unfortunately it wasn't.
17:41She has came out a few times now.
17:43We're now on the fourth time she's been put in prison.
17:46Every time she comes out she actually does re-offend,
17:49and she re-offends to previous victims
17:51and also new victims,
17:52and things do escalate even more,
17:55and they do get worse.
17:56Yeah, that's the thing here,
17:57is it's that escalation, as you mentioned, Doctor,
17:59and that's really scary for people,
18:02how bad it got.
18:02And I imagine people have felt shame,
18:04they didn't want to talk about it.
18:06It's all designed to make you feel ashamed,
18:08like you've done something wrong,
18:09like you're trying to tarnish the reputation
18:11of the person who's actually attacking you.
18:14And the speed of re-offending is incredibly important,
18:17as well as the escalation.
18:18And we find in this case that victims that have pushed back
18:20have got this incredible, you know,
18:23anger towards them, aggression,
18:25and then physical threats as well.
18:27But in this case, there was some of the women involved
18:30thought they were talking to a man,
18:32they were exchanging explicit images
18:34because they thought they'd struck up a relationship
18:36with someone, which, of course, they had not.
18:39Psychologically, there's a big impact
18:41that something like this could have on so many people.
18:43Huge. Well, you feel incredibly vulnerable.
18:45You're at your most vulnerable state.
18:47You've exchanged intimate messages, images,
18:49but these were coerced out of you.
18:51In any other situation, you would definitely have said no.
18:54So that feeling that you've been used and abused
18:55is very real.
18:56Even though there's no financial harm,
18:58the psychological harm is incredibly devastating.
19:01And what amazed me in this story as well,
19:03and I mean, Abby, you play an incredible role in it,
19:05Detective Draper, pretty much throughout,
19:07but she turned on you at one point
19:09to make you look like you were the person
19:12doing something wrong, didn't she?
19:13Yeah, on the third occasion,
19:15I had spoke to Adele on the phone
19:18and she was even heavily manipulating me as herself
19:21to make me feel like I had got this wrong all these years
19:25and it wasn't her,
19:26and I wanted to create this full thing
19:29and this was all on me.
19:30And I actually did sit back at one point
19:32and thought, have I created this full drama
19:34and she doesn't deserve to be in prison
19:36and this is all on me?
19:37Classic gaslighting.
19:38Yes, trying to flip it the other way.
19:40It worked for a little bit
19:41because I did feel like, oh gosh,
19:43but then I was like, actually, no,
19:45like, this is you.
19:46Well done as well for doing that.
19:48It's incredible, the story.
19:49I mean, it's really as well worth the watch.
19:50Yeah, it really is.
19:52Well, thank you so much for coming in
19:53and talking to us, you two.
19:54And I'll tell you what,
19:55stick around for the rest of the day.
19:56I think we could use these two
19:56with some of our appeals.
19:58I know.
19:58We could actually.
19:59Get these two together.
20:00We'd solve plenty.
20:01Yeah, definitely.
20:02Thank you so much.
20:03All right, now, talking of abusive trust,
20:06how a friend of an elderly couple
20:07offered to be their bookkeeper
20:09and ended up stealing
20:10nearly a million pounds from them.
20:14Within the space of a year,
20:16all the money was all transferred,
20:18leaving them penniless
20:19so they can't pay for their care.
20:21£18,000 goes into your account.
20:23The next day,
20:24£9,500 goes to your account.
20:27It's a crazy amount of money.
20:29She has taken advantage of them
20:30when they are at their most vulnerable.
20:43In September 2023,
20:45Detective Sergeant Katie Lewis
20:47from the Thames Valley Police Fraud Unit
20:49received a call from a bank.
20:52They were concerned
20:53that a large sum of money
20:55had been moved out
20:56of an elderly customer's account.
21:00That was sufficient for us
21:01to request a safeguarding visit.
21:04So an officer went to the house
21:05where the victim was believed to live,
21:08but we identified that she had been in care
21:10for the last four years.
21:11To protect the identities
21:12of the two elderly victims,
21:14we have changed their names
21:16to Catherine and James.
21:18We spoke to Catherine's care home.
21:20They informed us that
21:22she did have a husband called James,
21:23but he was in a separate care home
21:24and a bit further away.
21:27Police found out
21:28the couple used a woman
21:29called Susan Bruland
21:30to help them with their finances.
21:33Susan was a bookkeeper
21:34and really was a close
21:37and trusted friend
21:37of Catherine and James.
21:41Susan obtained
21:42a power of attorney
21:43for James back in 2017
21:45and in 2018
21:46she obtained it for Catherine.
21:49A power of attorney
21:50gives a person
21:51the legal authority
21:52to make health,
21:53welfare and financial decisions
21:55on behalf of someone else.
21:57Police could see
21:58Susan had been withdrawing
22:00regular sums of money
22:01from Catherine's account.
22:03The intel itself
22:04raised concerns
22:05and flags for me
22:06but we need to ascertain
22:08if we think it is
22:08a criminal offence.
22:10So the biggest inquiry
22:11was with the banks
22:14and it showed
22:16quite a complicated money trail
22:17that money was moved
22:18between different accounts
22:19so we had to work out
22:20where the money had gone
22:22and what it had been used for.
22:24In 2019
22:25James and Catherine
22:27had both moved
22:28into care homes.
22:30The fees
22:31are quite high
22:32so Susan sold
22:34the house
22:34on their behalf
22:35which is in keeping
22:36with being a power of attorney
22:37and it's quite normal practice.
22:39The money from that sale
22:41was divided
22:42by Susan Bruland
22:43into two accounts.
22:45£300,000
22:46for Catherine
22:47and the same for James.
22:48The aim
22:49was to pay
22:50for their care.
22:52For the first few years
22:53all the finances
22:54were in order
22:54there was nothing untoward.
22:56She was paying
22:57the care home fees
22:58and everything
22:59was as you'd expect.
23:03But then
23:04in August 2022
23:05two lots
23:06of £19,000
23:08was transferred
23:09to Susan
23:10titled
23:10toiletries.
23:13I think
23:14anyone
23:14would look at that
23:15and think
23:16£40,000
23:16is a considerable
23:18amount of money
23:19to be spending
23:19on toiletries
23:20when somebody's
23:21in a care home.
23:21A month later
23:23it happened again
23:24and another £18,000
23:26was transferred.
23:30It really changed
23:32from about
23:32January 2023.
23:34Lots of round amounts
23:35every month
23:36on average
23:37about £20,000
23:37at a time.
23:40Susan made it
23:41a little bit more complicated
23:42by moving money
23:43between accounts.
23:44So even between
23:46James and Catherine
23:47themselves
23:47potentially
23:48in a bid
23:49to avoid
23:50any concerns
23:51from the banks.
23:54In fact
23:55Susan transferred
23:56over £550,000
23:58into her own
24:00business accounts.
24:01She then went on
24:02to liquidate
24:03the couple's
24:04investments.
24:05Within the space
24:07of a year
24:07all the money
24:08that James
24:09and Catherine
24:09had which was
24:10substantial
24:10was all transferred
24:11from the bank
24:12accounts leaving
24:12almost nothing.
24:14On the 17th
24:16of January 2024
24:17she was arrested
24:18at her home.
24:22Susan Breland.
24:24Tenswelle, please.
24:25Can we come in, please?
24:28We've got a warrant
24:29from the court
24:30for your arrest
24:31and to search
24:32the house.
24:34So
24:36at this point
24:36601
24:37I'm arresting you
24:39on suspicion
24:40of frauds
24:41and money laundering.
24:42You do not have
24:43to say anything
24:44but it may harm
24:44your defence
24:45if you do not
24:46mention when
24:46questions something
24:47that you later
24:48rely on in court
24:49anything you do say
24:50may be given
24:50in evidence.
24:51She lived on her own
24:52in a rented property
24:53but there was
24:54absolutely nothing
24:55to suggest she had
24:56used that money
24:57to buy herself
24:58anything high value.
25:01On the 28th
25:03£18,000
25:04goes into your account.
25:05The next day
25:06£9,500
25:07goes to your account.
25:09The following day
25:10£22,000
25:10goes to your account
25:12and so on
25:12and so on.
25:13She claimed
25:14she had an agreement
25:15to pay off her loans
25:16and debts
25:16by borrowing
25:17this money.
25:18Was there any terms
25:19as to what money
25:21was to be used for?
25:23It was to help me
25:23get through
25:24and get the pub
25:25up and running
25:26and get me to
25:27follow my dreams.
25:28And that's what
25:28she agreed to?
25:29Yeah.
25:30OK.
25:32Catherine just
25:33wouldn't agree
25:33for it to all
25:34be taken.
25:34It's a crazy
25:35amount of money.
25:37We know
25:38around that time
25:39Susan
25:39had personal
25:40problems,
25:41the issues
25:42with her business
25:42and she has
25:44used all her money
25:44to help herself,
25:46leaving them penniless
25:47so they can't
25:47pay for their care.
25:49I need to sort it out.
25:51I'm trying to sort it out.
25:52I'm trying to get
25:53everything
25:54on an even keel.
25:57She told police
25:58she had bought
25:59£150,000
25:59worth of cryptocurrency
26:01but that she had
26:02been defrauded
26:03and was trying
26:04to get it back.
26:06I'm surprised
26:07knowing her background
26:08in her profession
26:09that she had
26:10allowed it to happen
26:10but she didn't want
26:12to exceed
26:13reality of the problem.
26:14Would you care
26:15to venture a guess
26:16as to how much
26:17money you've
26:18taken?
26:22I don't know.
26:24That was in excess
26:25of £900,000.
26:27Wow.
26:32I expected
26:33more remorse,
26:34I'll be honest.
26:35there was never
26:36any point
26:36when she said
26:37I'm really sorry
26:38I can't believe
26:39I let this happen
26:39but those words
26:40didn't come.
26:42She has taken
26:43advantage of them
26:44when they are
26:44at their most vulnerable.
26:46Having taken
26:47over £900,000
26:49of her friend's money
26:50Susan Brulin
26:51was sentenced
26:52to five years
26:53in prison
26:53for two counts
26:54of fraud
26:55by abuse of position.
27:00sadly Catherine
27:01passed away
27:02a few weeks
27:03after we started
27:03the investigation.
27:05James is still alive
27:07he's in care
27:08but I'm really glad
27:09that they have
27:10no idea
27:11that this happened.
27:12I would hate
27:13to think of
27:13the emotional
27:14impact it would
27:15have on them
27:15knowing that
27:16someone who is
27:17really close to them
27:17has abused their trust.
27:23Exactly that
27:24a massive
27:24abuse of trust
27:25and a huge amount
27:26of money
27:26but I'm glad
27:27the detectives
27:28got a result there.
27:29Now I'm joined
27:30by Detective Sergeant
27:31Maria Isom
27:32from the
27:33South East Regional
27:34Organised Crime Unit
27:35who's urgently
27:36looking for the
27:37whereabouts
27:37of this man
27:38Charlie Salisbury.
27:40Maria what can you
27:41tell us about
27:42this man
27:43that you're after?
27:44Yes Raph
27:45this is Charlie Salisbury
27:46and he is
27:48wanted by us
27:48for offences
27:49of conspiracy
27:50to supply
27:51Class A drugs
27:52and associated
27:53money laundering offences.
27:55We last spoke
27:56to Charlie
27:57on the 18th
27:58of May 2021
27:59we went to
28:00his home address
28:01in Bicester
28:02which is in
28:02Thames Valley
28:03and we conducted
28:04a search warrant there.
28:05Unfortunately
28:06Charlie was not present
28:07he did call us up though
28:08and he said
28:09he would hand himself in
28:10unfortunately
28:11he never did
28:12and we haven't
28:13spoken to him since.
28:14So that's five years
28:15almost.
28:16Exactly.
28:17Okay
28:18let's try and find him
28:19what does he look like
28:20give us a description
28:21if you can.
28:21Yes so Charlie
28:22is 34 now
28:23he's about
28:24five foot seven
28:25he previously had
28:27either cropped hair
28:28you can see in this picture
28:28or slightly longer hair
28:30he does have
28:32some very distinctive
28:33tattoos
28:33so he has a tattoo
28:35of a
28:36koi carp
28:37and also
28:38a dragon.
28:40You can see a large
28:41one on his calf
28:41there can't we?
28:42Yeah
28:42another sleeve
28:44on his arm
28:45Charlie grew up
28:47in the Hayes
28:48and Hillingdon area
28:49so North London
28:50as I said
28:51he was actually
28:52living in Bicester
28:53at the time
28:53that we did
28:54the search warrant
28:55we know that
28:56Charlie is an avid
28:57Queen's Park Rangers
28:59football fan.
29:00Okay
29:00so good clues
29:01if anyone
29:02thinks they know
29:04where he might be
29:04he was actually
29:06part of a wider gang
29:06wasn't he?
29:07Yeah
29:07that have been arrested
29:08Yeah
29:09that's correct
29:09so this is actually
29:10part of a much wider
29:12nationwide investigation
29:14called Operation Venetic
29:16so Operation Venetic
29:17involved organised
29:19crime groups
29:20across Europe
29:21accessing a highly
29:22secretive
29:22and encrypted
29:23messaging service
29:24in early 2020
29:26law enforcement
29:27actually were able
29:28to get into
29:29that messaging service
29:30and Charlie
29:32was using that
29:33and he was using
29:34a false name
29:36we call it
29:37handle name
29:38his was Amused
29:39Penguin
29:40and when we
29:41looked through
29:42the messages
29:42we could see
29:43that Charlie
29:44was playing
29:44a really big
29:45significant role
29:46in an organised
29:48crime group
29:49moving large
29:50quantities of
29:51cocaine
29:51at that time
29:52that we were
29:53looking into
29:53those offences
29:54Well it's a huge
29:55job
29:55and I know
29:56that some
29:56have been
29:56sentenced already
29:57Yes
29:58that's correct
29:58so it was
29:59actually
30:00he was part
30:00of a bigger
30:01group of six
30:02individuals
30:03all of those
30:04people have now
30:05been convicted
30:05either found
30:07guilty
30:07or found
30:08guilty
30:08at trial
30:09and the
30:10combined
30:10total
30:11sentencing
30:11is about
30:1230 years
30:13and two
30:14of those
30:15defendants
30:16were found
30:16guilty
30:16of money
30:17laundering
30:17offences
30:18and one
30:19of those
30:19was Charlie's
30:20ex-partner
30:21who he has
30:22two young
30:23children with
30:23at the time
30:24So it's five
30:26years
30:26a long time
30:27to be on the
30:27run
30:27where do you
30:28think he could
30:29be now
30:29who are you
30:29really appealing
30:30to
30:31So I think
30:32he's probably
30:32been supported
30:33by wider
30:34associates
30:35in the
30:35criminal network
30:36we think
30:37it's possible
30:37that Charlie
30:38left the UK
30:38and is possibly
30:39in southern
30:40Spain
30:41and so
30:42our appeal
30:42today is
30:43really to
30:44those people
30:44that might
30:44recognise
30:45Charlie
30:45that can
30:46come forward
30:47but more
30:48importantly
30:48we are
30:49trying to
30:49appeal to
30:50Charlie
30:50himself
30:51he hasn't
30:52said
30:52two young
30:53children
30:53here
30:53it's fair
30:54to say
30:55that the
30:55other
30:55defendants
30:56that have
30:56been
30:56convicted
30:57are now
30:57on
30:57probation
30:59so
31:00that's
31:00interesting
31:01so
31:01when you
31:02spoke to
31:02him
31:03last
31:03five
31:03years
31:04ago
31:04he
31:04said
31:04he
31:05was
31:05coming
31:05into
31:05the
31:05police
31:06station
31:06he
31:06didn't
31:07turn
31:07up
31:07those
31:08that
31:08were
31:08dealt
31:08with
31:09then
31:09have
31:09done
31:09their
31:10time
31:10and
31:10come
31:10out
31:11so
31:11had
31:12Charlie
31:12done
31:12what
31:13he
31:13said
31:13he
31:13was
31:13going
31:13to
31:13do
31:13he'd
31:14probably
31:14be
31:14out
31:14spending
31:15time
31:15with
31:15his
31:15children
31:15right
31:16now
31:17so
31:17it's
31:18really
31:18important
31:18that he
31:18gets
31:18in
31:19contact
31:19with
31:19us
31:20and
31:20we
31:20can
31:20make
31:20those
31:21necessary
31:21arrangements
31:22if
31:25you
31:25know
31:25this
31:25man
31:26if
31:26you
31:26know
31:27where
31:27he
31:27might
31:27be
31:28Charlie
31:29if
31:29you're
31:30watching
31:30yourself
31:30get
31:31in
31:31touch
31:31we
31:31want
31:32to
31:32hear
31:32from
31:32you
31:32we
31:32made
31:32it
31:32easy
31:33the
31:33numbers
31:33at
31:33the
31:33bottom
31:33of
31:34the
31:34screen
31:34give
31:35us
31:35a
31:35call
31:35tell
31:35us
31:36where
31:36you
31:36are
31:36and
31:36we
31:37can
31:37make
31:37the
31:37necessary
31:37arrangements
31:38but
31:38if
31:39you
31:39can
31:39help
31:39locate
31:39him
31:40do
31:40get
31:40in
31:40touch
31:42yes
31:42please
31:43do
31:43now
31:43how
31:44a
31:44charity
31:45pay
31:45tribute
31:46to
31:46those
31:46officers
31:47who
31:47have
31:47fallen
31:48in
31:49the
31:49line
31:49of
31:49duty
31:52every
31:52day
31:53police
31:53officers
31:54up
31:54and
31:54down
31:54the
31:54country
31:55put
31:55on
31:55their
31:55uniform
31:56and
31:57put
31:57themselves
31:57in
31:58dangerous
31:59situations
31:59or
32:00at
32:00harm's
32:00way
32:02most
32:03often
32:03they
32:04come
32:04back
32:04home
32:04and
32:05go
32:05back
32:05to
32:05their
32:05loved
32:06ones
32:06on
32:07small
32:07occasions
32:07some
32:08officers
32:08don't
32:09make
32:09it
32:10and
32:11what
32:11they
32:11leave
32:12behind
32:12is
32:13shattered
32:13lives
32:14of
32:14families
32:14and
32:14loved
32:15ones
32:15that
32:16don't
32:16see
32:16them
32:16come
32:17back
32:17home
32:22I'm
32:23Vinnie
32:23Waggiani
32:24I'm a
32:25detective
32:25inspector
32:26at
32:27Kemp
32:27police
32:27and
32:28I've
32:28been
32:28a
32:28police
32:28officer
32:29for
32:2920
32:30plus
32:30years
32:30in
32:31the
32:32early
32:32years
32:32of
32:33my
32:33career
32:33I
32:35really
32:35felt
32:35the
32:35vulnerabilities
32:37I
32:37never
32:38knew
32:38if
32:39someone
32:39was
32:40going
32:40to
32:40pull
32:40out
32:41a
32:41knife
32:41and
32:41stab
32:41me
32:42when
32:42I
32:42do
32:42have
32:43conversations
32:43with
32:44my
32:44wife
32:45she
32:45feels
32:46the
32:46fear
32:47when
32:47I
32:48leave
32:48the
32:48front
32:48door
32:53in
32:542011
32:54we
32:55lost
32:55a
32:56police
32:56officer
32:56who
32:57was
32:57killed
32:57a
32:58colleague
32:59of
32:59mine
32:59felt
33:00he had
33:01to do
33:01something
33:02to raise
33:02some
33:03money
33:03for
33:03the
33:03two
33:03children
33:04that
33:05were
33:05left
33:05behind
33:06his
33:07his
33:07vision
33:07was
33:08to
33:08get
33:08groups
33:09of
33:09people
33:09to
33:10climb
33:11mountains
33:12and
33:13when
33:13they
33:13got
33:13to
33:14the
33:14top
33:14of
33:14the
33:14mountain
33:15they
33:15would
33:16light
33:16lanterns
33:17to
33:18remember
33:18the
33:18fallen
33:18officer
33:21that's
33:22where
33:22light
33:23the
33:23lakes
33:23was
33:24born
33:27on
33:27an
33:28event
33:28day
33:29people
33:30will
33:30gather
33:30they'll
33:31start
33:31getting
33:32ready
33:32with
33:33their
33:33hiking
33:33boots
33:34and
33:34start
33:35making
33:35the
33:35steady
33:36paces
33:36to
33:37scale
33:37the
33:37mountains
33:38that
33:38they're
33:38going
33:38to
33:38climb
33:40during
33:40the
33:41journey
33:41of
33:41the
33:41mountain
33:42climbing
33:42there'll
33:43be
33:43laughs
33:45there'll
33:45be
33:45tears
33:45and
33:46as
33:47we
33:47get
33:47to
33:47the
33:47top
33:48there's
33:48a
33:49sigh
33:49of
33:49relief
33:49that
33:50we've
33:50got
33:50there
33:51the
33:51feeling
33:52is
33:52hard
33:52to
33:53explain
33:53when
33:53you
33:54get
33:54a
33:54moment
33:54of
33:55silence
33:56and
33:56then
33:56at
33:57three
33:57o'clock
33:57in
33:57the
33:57morning
33:58you
33:58start
33:58seeing
33:59lights
34:00lighting up
34:01from
34:01each
34:01peak
34:01to
34:02each
34:02peak
34:02and
34:03it's
34:03that
34:03moment
34:04where
34:05people
34:06feel
34:06connected
34:07and
34:08every
34:08year
34:09when
34:09I
34:09light
34:09the
34:10flare
34:11I
34:12have
34:12that
34:12same
34:12feeling
34:13of
34:13goosebumps
34:15that
34:16peacefulness
34:16and
34:17that
34:17moment
34:17of
34:17reflection
34:18where
34:19you just
34:19remembering
34:20police
34:20officers
34:20that have
34:21died
34:25there'll be a moment where I will roll call all the police officers that have died during that year from
34:32duty
34:35Daniel Golding from Metropolitan Police
34:40Daniel Gower from Hampshire and Isla White Constabulary
34:48Richard Kemp from Lancashire Constabulary
34:52Steve Creel from Sussex Police
34:57Bruce Lister from Hertfordshire Constabulary
35:11The event provides an opportunity for quite a lot of people where losing a loved one is still raw
35:21And the journey to the top of the mountain gives them a sense of peace
35:31We partnered with a charity who support the family of fallen officers
35:38And
35:38And
35:39We've seen
35:39We've seen the numbers of participants grow as the events grown year by year
35:46Light the lakes gives people an opportunity to connect
35:49And as part of that connection we're able to remember our fallen officers together
35:55And it's that togetherness that allows us to create stronger healing powers
36:02Such an important cause isn't it? And I'm delighted to say they have now raised over £200,000 through those
36:09walks which is brilliant so well done
36:11Now in the studio we have some very special guests with us
36:15Lucy McLeod is the Borough Commander for Hammersmith and Fulham for the London Fire Brigade
36:20And she's brought with her the beautiful well-being dog Blue
36:24Lovely to see you both, thank you for coming in
36:26Loads to chat to you about Blue
36:29But first of all tell us a bit about you because
36:30I mean I can't believe the figures on how many women there are as firefighters
36:34It's only 8% isn't it?
36:36You're one of them, you've done really well
36:38You're one of the most senior
36:39What was your journey?
36:41So I joined late, I didn't think it was a job for me because it was never put out there
36:47I joined at 29, I started as non-operational, became operational
36:52And that's almost 17 years ago
36:54And I'm trying to influence, you know, women to join the service, it's really important
37:00We're lucky in London where we've got slightly more than 8% and 10%
37:04But still it's not really enough
37:06And one of the ways that I'm hoping to do that is by
37:09Oh you've got a book?
37:10Yes, the book
37:12Yes, the book
37:13So what I realised, sorry, what I realised was there's no real representation in children's books with women firefighters
37:20Yes, so true
37:20So I'm hopeful that that will help
37:23Help
37:24Yes, and you've got a really senior job, haven't you as well
37:28So tell us a bit, did you face many barriers getting to the top?
37:33I think it's really difficult because I don't look like a firefighter
37:37So generally every day I'll get some, there are barriers with the public
37:43But if you were to put a firefighter into AI you're not going to get a picture of me back
37:48So I think
37:48So true
37:49Yeah, so that's a barrier in itself
37:51So having people out there as role models so that people can look and go, oh yeah, he loves you
37:58I know, yeah
37:59He's coming over to give you some love
38:01So that people can aspire to it
38:02And if you can see it, you can be it, you can believe it, can't you?
38:05And that's what's really important
38:07It's so key as you say
38:08So tell us about Blue then, what's Blue's job?
38:11So Blue is a trauma and wellbeing dog
38:13He qualified as an IK9 dog in 2024
38:15And he comes with me to have difficult conversations about mental health
38:20So we go to the fire stations and, you know, my uniform can be a barrier
38:25So he acts as a bit of a buffer and a bridge
38:27He'll come in just like he did with you
38:29Yeah
38:29And positive interactions with dogs are proven to lower your cortisol
38:34And up your feel-good hormones like serotonin and oxytocin
38:38So then you might open up and speak about
38:41Yes, other things
38:42Yeah, because when you came into the studio, literally everyone was round you
38:45It was like you had cakes or something
38:47They're the only occasions everyone will come to you like that
38:49But it's that, isn't it?
38:51And that's what you're getting with firefighters who are maybe struggling with, you know, what's going on with work
38:56Having to do really tough stuff
38:58Absolutely that, yeah
38:59And it's about then me being able to have that conversation to signpost them to places that I can get
39:04help
39:04And it's really positive people do do that because they've opened up and blues allowed that conversation to happen
39:11So really important stuff
39:12Yeah, because the reaction you've had has been quite incredible, hasn't it?
39:16Yeah, and I'm one of, we've got ten dogs in London and we've got all shapes and sizes
39:23Because he's very unusual looking and has the bright blue eyes as well
39:26Yeah, the eyes
39:26Yeah, they just, people get drawn to him
39:28And even, you know, the older, sort of longer-in-the-tooth firefighters
39:33Once you start talking to them, they can, you know, they've gone and got their own help
39:36So that's great for us because we keep them in service then
39:39Yeah
39:40Yes, because I know some people might be a bit like, oh, you know, that dog's not going to make
39:44a difference
39:45And think it's all a bit woo-woo and you've proven it isn't
39:48Yeah, absolutely
39:49And there's loads of other dogs working with the OK9 Network as well
39:53With the police and the ambulance, doing some really good stuff
39:57So, yeah
39:58Yeah
39:58So I know, I keep thinking we should get a studio dog
40:01I think you should
40:02It just calms everyone down, doesn't it?
40:03But you have, you've done so well for yourself
40:05Because you've won a big award as well, haven't you?
40:07As the most influential woman in firefighting
40:09What, what's, what did that feel like?
40:11Um, yeah, that was in December and I was really grateful to get shortlisted in the first instance
40:17There was a great group of people that I was up against and when they read out my name
40:20I was like, oh, oh my goodness, that's me, I need to get up and get that award
40:24Um, I was a little bit embarrassed because it's about some of the work that Blue and I do
40:28It's about the way I lead, it's, it's, it's a number of different things
40:32But actually, you know, it's a great platform to be able to help more people
40:36Yeah
40:36Um, there's, I'm the only woman national tactical advisor, uh, in urban search and rescue in the country
40:44Um, I'm the only fellow of the Institute of Search and Technical Rescue as a woman
40:48And I think there's so much more to do, um, so it gives me a real platform to be able
40:53to do that
40:53Yeah
40:54So what would you say then to anyone watching this who might think, oh, hang on, maybe this is for
40:58me
40:59What would you say to them?
41:01Come down, come down to a fire station if you're in London and you're more than welcome to, um, drop
41:06me a line
41:06Come and have a look, see how a fire station works
41:08Do that, um, we've got some great outreach programmes that you can go and have a look
41:13Actually, most fire services that's happened down the country do
41:16Go and have a look, see if it's for you, um, and if you're into sports and fitness
41:21And a difference, a different thing every day
41:24Then, yeah, it's for you
41:25Brilliant, oh, well, thank you so much for coming in
41:27Thank you, Lucy, thank you, Blue
41:28I know, uh, Rav will be jealous not to be here with us
41:31Rav
41:33Yes, I am very jealous
41:34But I am hearing really good calls coming in about those human remains that were found in North Wales
41:40So please do keep those coming
41:42Now, for the last time in this series, we have got wanted faces
41:49First, we have Kyle Campbell, who also uses the surname Manners
41:53South Yorkshire Police are looking for the 25-year-old after he failed to appear at court
41:57following being charged with GBH with intent
41:59His average build and height with a northern accent and links to Doncaster
42:03Though recent intelligence suggests he could be in the new Rossington area of the city
42:08Next, Siwan Hassan, but he also goes by Siwan and Sabain, Saban
42:14He's also been recalled to prison, he's now at large
42:17He's 42, has links to Midlands and also South Yorkshire
42:20And last, for today in the series
42:22South Wales Police want your help to find Hakim Sarvast
42:26Police want to speak to him about a stabbing
42:28which took place in a kebab shop in Cardiff in January this year
42:31It left a man with serious injuries
42:34So, if you know where any of these three men are, do get in touch
42:38And I'm afraid that's all we've got time for today in the series
42:40Thank you for watching over the last three weeks
42:42And for all those calls, remember, you can catch us on iPlayer for the next 30 days
42:47Yes, you can also watch our sister series, Crimewatch Court
42:50That's going to be on for Monday at 10.45
42:52Here's a little taster for you
42:56Hello, police emergency
43:15We'll work around the clock if it means putting criminals behind bars
43:18It only takes that one mistake for us to catch you
43:21Crime doesn't pay
43:22You will be caught
43:27Oh, it looks good
43:28Some cracking stories in the next
43:30We'll be back in autumn
43:31Until then, take care
43:33Yeah, bye-bye for now
43:34See ya
44:02We'll be back in the next
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