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#video #Crimewatch Roadshow - Season 23 - Episode 15: The Betrayal
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00:00Hello, coming up on the programme today.
00:02After skeletal remains of a man were found by campers in North Wales,
00:07can you help identify him?
00:10And do you recognise this man?
00:12He's wanted in connection with the distribution of class air drugs.
00:15He's been on the run since 2021.
00:18And how a beauty queen turned detective
00:21to identify the UK's most prolific catfisher.
00:24It is literally like the plot from a Hollywood film.
00:27Yeah, it really is.
00:28If you're still watching, this is Crimewatch Live.
00:31He's been jamming the switchboard both here and at the Instagram room.
00:36To remind you, this was the abduction and radio block campaign
00:40and the handgun debate.
00:43Hello and welcome to Crimewatch 12.
00:46People rang and giving the same most fantastic results.
00:57Hello and welcome to what is our last show for this series.
01:01Over these last three weeks, we have brought you dozens of appeals
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01:08Yeah, we've shared loads of exclusive films from the UK's biggest solved cases
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01:17And thank you to those as well who've provided some interesting leads from those two.
01:22This morning, how a trusted friend turned bookkeeper
01:26swindled an elderly couple out of nearly £1 million.
01:31Within the space of a year, all the money was all transferred,
01:35leaving them penniless so they can't pay for their care.
01:39And we'll be hearing how this gorgeous furry fella
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02:13But first this morning, the discovery of human remains near a campsite in North Wales
02:18led to a murder investigation that is still puzzling detectives 10 years later.
02:26At 2043 hours on the 14th of November 2015,
02:31North Wales Police received a call to report the discovery
02:35of what they believe to be human remains.
02:39Two brothers were visiting Cloquetnog Forest,
02:42a huge area of woodland in North Wales,
02:45to watch the Wales rally GB.
02:47In the evening, they were camping
02:50and one of the brothers went off to look for firewood
02:53and in doing so, discovered what they believed to be a human skeleton.
03:03Cloquetnog Forest is well known.
03:05It's near to Llinbrennig,
03:06which is a very popular lake for walkers,
03:09dog walkers and outdoor sports enthusiasts and the like.
03:14There was a patch between a main road and the forestry track.
03:18So the brothers were camping a little bit further up
03:21from where the skeleton was recovered
03:22and I would say in relation to the forestry track
03:26that the skeleton was maybe 10, 15 metres away from that track.
03:31The particular area is not an area that I would expect people to have frequented
03:36because of the dense undergrowth and the fact that it isn't very easy to walk through.
03:42As you can imagine, receiving a call like that was very uncommon.
03:47Most of those police forensics teams identified that the skull did appear to be a human skull.
03:53A CSI team has started with archaeologists excavating the area.
04:01The discovery sparked a huge forensic police dig
04:05which unearthed the near-complete human skeletal remains.
04:10The scene itself was particularly challenging.
04:13The crime scene investigators had to cut away the undergrowth
04:17and they've taken a layered approach.
04:20So not only have they done the undergrowth,
04:21they've taken away of the soil and it's been a painstaking process
04:25that's taken place over a number of days.
04:29When we're examining that scene,
04:31not only are we looking to recover as much human remains as possible,
04:36we're also looking for forensics clues
04:38that will help us identify who that human remains belongs to.
04:43An experienced pathologist has had a look at the skull
04:47and has been able to say that there was inflicted trauma to the head
04:50which has left us clear that this was a murder investigation.
04:58Confirmed as a murder, detectives began working on identifying the victim.
05:03We've been able to say that this person must have been born before 1950.
05:08We know through examination that the skeletal remains belong to a male.
05:14We believe that the male was of heavy build.
05:18We believe that he was between 5 foot 8 inches tall and 5 foot 10 and a half inches tall.
05:25From examining the spine, we know that this male had arthritis.
05:30He would have suffered with back pain.
05:32That back pain may not have been disclosed to family or friends or loved ones.
05:41Detectives called in a forensic odontologist, Dr John Rosie, for help.
05:47His premolar teeth have got some very extensive cram work, root canal work and filling work,
05:54which is of a high quality.
05:56Now, the style of the dentistry is typical of dentistry that was done in the 90s, 2000s, possibly late 80s.
06:07The teeth are particularly important to us in this investigation
06:10and we are told that if you were that dentist performing that procedure,
06:15you are likely to recognise your own work,
06:18which would hopefully enable us to identify who this person is.
06:26Detectives used a facial reconstruction expert
06:29to depict what the Clocaenog Forest Man may have looked like.
06:35They've given us three different date ranges,
06:37what they would look like in their 50s, 60s and 70s.
06:41So this is a useful guide to have this facial reconstruction.
06:45But what I would say is this is a depiction of what that person might look like.
06:51It's only a guide.
06:55But despite detectives' best efforts, a decade later,
07:00and the identity of the man and what happened to him is still unknown.
07:07We've previously disclosed that the date range that we were looking for is between 1995 and 2005.
07:13However, through working with many different experts,
07:16we've been able to overlay all their expertise
07:19and now we firmly believe that that male would have been left at that location
07:24between the years 2004 and 2011.
07:28Because of the delay in the time where we believe that that body was left
07:33and the time that we got notified,
07:35we don't have the benefits of a traditional crime scene.
07:38We're now ten and a half years on
07:41and we're still no closer to identifying who that victim is.
07:45It's vitally important that we identify who this person is,
07:49who does this loved one belong to,
07:52and from then we can start other lines of inquiry
07:55to identify how he's come about, his demise,
07:58and who was responsible.
08:05And I'm now with Detective Superintendent Chris Bell from North Wales Police.
08:09You saw from the film there.
08:10Chris, remind us why you are treating this as a murder investigation.
08:15Good morning, Rav. Thank you.
08:16So we're treating this as a murder investigation
08:18because back in November 2015,
08:21two witnesses discovered almost a full human skeletal remains in a forest.
08:28Well, let's have a look at the area itself where it was discovered.
08:30This is the map here.
08:31Just talk us through what that area would look like.
08:34The brothers who discovered it were looking for firewood for camping.
08:39We've got a main road coming along here
08:42and then you've got a forestry track.
08:44So this is less well trodden.
08:47This is a fairly, well, popular route.
08:52What have you managed to work out about the individual?
08:54So we believe from all the experts that he was Caucasian,
08:57that he was born between 1950s, and that's based on carbon dating.
09:02We also believe that he was between 5'8 and 5'10 1⁄2,
09:07that he was heavy-billed,
09:09and we also believe that he would have had arthritis in his spine.
09:13So he would have known that he was uncomfortable.
09:15Maybe his friends might not have known,
09:18he might not have mentioned it to anybody,
09:20but that might have been a feature that somebody remembers.
09:23And we can see here, you've got three different images that experts have created,
09:26but three different age profiles of what he may possibly have looked like.
09:31On the left, we've got him as if he was in his 50s,
09:34then his 60s, then his 70s.
09:36Obviously, we've only got the skeletal remains,
09:39so this is an expert's interpretation, depiction of what he would look like.
09:44I'd like to stress that if the other things that I've mentioned is height, his age,
09:49if they resonate with people and they think they may know who it is,
09:53but he doesn't necessarily look like this,
09:55please don't use that as a reason not to contact us.
09:57We want to hear from everybody.
09:59If they think that somebody's gone missing between 2004, 2011,
10:03anybody's friends, anybody's loved ones, please call us.
10:07I'd also like to stress, if I may, that we're looking for the victim,
10:10and this is not the suspect or the offender.
10:14Yeah, it's really important to make that.
10:16And we heard from the film there, and you've touched on it already,
10:18but the dental work, that is a vital lead for you, isn't it?
10:22And it could really help this investigation.
10:23Yeah, correct.
10:25So we believe that he's had missing back teeth in his younger years,
10:29and some of the dentist work that you can see here now,
10:33he's had some crown work to a high quality.
10:36That work was seen in the late 80s, 90s through to the early 2000s,
10:41and we firmly believe that if you were the dentist,
10:44you would recognise your work.
10:47It's quite unique.
10:48So if there's any dentists watching this,
10:51I would encourage you, please contact us if you recognise your work.
10:55Yeah, and also some clothing was found at the time.
10:58It was in a state of disrepair because it had been disintegrated over many, many years,
11:04but you've managed to piece together what it would have looked like.
11:06So we've worked with Pringle.
11:08They've been able to tell us that this jumper was an exact copy of what we found.
11:15They stopped manufacturing this in 2004,
11:18so it must have been worn by somebody or purchased by them prior to 2004.
11:25We also found some underwear.
11:28That was Marks and Spencer's underwear,
11:30and from the label we were able to say that it was a large size,
11:33again, indicative of what the experts are saying,
11:36that our male would have been a heavier set male.
11:39So today, who do you want to hear from?
11:41We want to hear from friends, family, anybody who's got an idea,
11:46neighbours, loved ones,
11:47anybody who went missing between 2004 and 2011,
11:50that you think it could be him.
11:53But it is a murder investigation.
11:55If anyone has information about the murder itself,
11:58there is a Crimestoppers reward.
12:00Of course there is, yeah.
12:01There's a £20,000 Crimestoppers reward.
12:03I'd like to emphasise that if anybody's got any information
12:06that can help us lead to identifying the offender,
12:10which results in a conviction,
12:11then you will be eligible for that £20,000 award.
12:14Chris, thank you.
12:16If you have any information that can lead to an ID of this man,
12:21please do call.
12:22The contact details are on the screen now.
12:26We're going to talk now about Scotland's most prolific catfisher.
12:30So this is a woman who posed as a male doctor
12:33and then deceived over 100 women.
12:36It's an extraordinary story.
12:38It's actually on iPlayer now,
12:40so you can watch the documentary.
12:41But let's have a quick look at it.
12:45Time went so fast and I didn't sleep.
12:49Like, I was sitting on my phone looking for things and my laptop
12:53and it was, like, before I knew it,
12:54we were on to, like, 5, 6 in the morning
12:56and then I'd have a quick sleep and then I'd wake back up again.
12:58Like, I was consumed by it all.
13:06It's well worth a watch.
13:07We're joined now by criminologist Dr Elizabeth Carter
13:10and also Abi Dripper, who you saw there in the documentary.
13:14Thanks so much for coming in to talk about this.
13:15It is an extraordinary case.
13:17It's one, Abi, you had experience with.
13:20So, first of all, can you just explain
13:22what is a catfisher, for those who don't know,
13:24and how did it happen to you?
13:25Yeah, so catfishing is basically a tool
13:27that someone will use to deceive other people
13:29and by doing that they use other people's pictures
13:33and they can change their name
13:35basically to create this online profile.
13:39My granddad had been taken into hospital in 2014
13:42and whilst I was visiting him back and forth
13:45I was actually receiving messages by someone online
13:48called David Graham
13:49and through a few conversations
13:51David Graham had suggested
13:53that he was my granddad's physio
13:55and actually worked in the hospital that he was in
13:59and, yeah, from there it just kind of spiralled.
14:02So, the interaction with you and this male medical expert
14:07that was messaging you started off quite normal, quite innocent
14:11and when did you realise something wasn't quite right
14:14with what was going on?
14:16Well, David had then uploaded this beautiful flyer
14:19of having an NHS charity ball
14:21and he was looking for entertainers.
14:23At the time I was dancing
14:24so I had actually messaged him and said
14:26oh, I would love to get involved in this
14:28and then we shared the poster
14:30and from there others had said
14:33oh, how do you know David Graham?
14:34Because I also know David Graham
14:36and then we kind of started to figure out
14:39that this person could possibly not be real
14:42and we then created a group called 007
14:46and then from there we gathered more evidence
14:49to suggest that David Graham wasn't actually
14:52who he said he was.
14:53Yeah, so David Graham was actually a woman called Adele
14:56who was actually a nurse in the hospital
14:59so not a doctor looking after your granddad, a nurse
15:02and Dr Carter, can I just bring you in at this point
15:04why do people do this?
15:06Because this wasn't financially motivated.
15:08No, this is quite an extraordinary story
15:10although it's not financially motivated
15:12it still is reward driven
15:13it's all about the emotional reward that you get from it
15:17so you get the love and attention
15:19also the psychological need
15:21you get the power and the control and the influence
15:23and also you have this more experience-based reward
15:27so it's all about the thrill of getting away with it
15:29particularly where there's this in-person element as well
15:33endorsement saying, you know, I'm a doctor
15:35you know, all that credibility you get from that
15:38so it's really designed to influence individuals
15:41on that personal level.
15:44So we've seen many cases where scammers will pretend
15:47to be someone else in order to get money out of someone
15:49for example, but this is slightly different
15:50but it's still incredibly dangerous
15:53Why?
15:54It's extraordinarily dangerous
15:55and in this case and in many others like it
15:58although it's quite rare, it does follow this pattern
16:00for escalation
16:01so we see, you know, the love bombing to start with
16:04you know, pretending to be somebody else
16:05but then we move into stalking, online deception
16:08and then also sexual coercion as well
16:11this is an incredibly dangerous escalation
16:13and it continues, it's all about power and control
16:16And what's incredible about this is how sophisticated it was
16:19because there might be people at home going
16:21well hang on, how did you not realise it was a woman
16:23but she was using a voice app to change her voice
16:26into a male voice, wasn't she?
16:27And there was so many women connected to this
16:30which you found out through your group
16:32and took to the police
16:33Yeah, and I think as well
16:34Adele was very good at manipulating people
16:36as herself
16:38so she was also given the credibility
16:40that David Graham was real
16:41by saying that David was her cousin
16:43or she knew David
16:44and almost validating to people
16:47that David was real
16:48Yeah, it's worth explaining that to people
16:50so Adele, separately to this persona
16:52she'd created of David
16:53was then also messaging you
16:55was meeting some of the women
16:56and saying, oh David's really lovely
16:58I know him
16:59I'm backing up the story
17:00that she'd created
17:01And Adele just looks like a very normal woman
17:04could be one of your mates
17:05Yeah, you were a believer
17:06Yeah, so you totally believed her
17:07and you could see how that would then happen
17:09but you took it to the police
17:10and then what happened?
17:11Took it to the police
17:12and then after a few years
17:15more victims came forward
17:16so we were building a big case here
17:18and eventually in 2017
17:20she was put in prison
17:22and she was charged
17:25and yeah
17:25then it kind of escalated from there as well
17:29And some heavy charges as well
17:30so we've got stalking
17:31as you said Dr Carter
17:32stalking, deception and sexual coercion
17:35were the charges
17:36she was actually put in prison
17:37so was that the end of it?
17:39No, unfortunately it wasn't
17:40she has came out a few times now
17:43we're now on the fourth time
17:45she's been put in prison
17:46every time she comes out
17:47she actually does re-offend
17:48and she re-offends to previous victims
17:51and also new victims
17:52and things do escalate even more
17:55and they do get worse
17:56Yeah, that's the thing here
17:57it's that escalation
17:58as you mentioned, Doctor
17:59and that's really scary for people
18:02how bad it got
18:02and I imagine people
18:03a lot of felt shame
18:04they didn't want to talk about it
18:06It's all designed
18:07to make you feel ashamed
18:08like you've done something wrong
18:09like you're trying to tarnish
18:11the reputation of the person
18:12who's actually attacking you
18:14and the speed of re-offending
18:15is incredibly important
18:17as well as the escalation
18:18and we find in this case
18:19that victims that have pushed back
18:21have got this incredible
18:22you know, anger towards them
18:25aggression
18:25and then physical threats as well
18:27But in this case
18:28there was some of the women involved
18:30thought they were talking to a man
18:32they were exchanging explicit images
18:34because they thought
18:35they'd struck up a relationship
18:37with someone
18:37which of course they had not
18:39Psychologically
18:39there's a big impact
18:41that something like this
18:41could have on so many people
18:43Huge
18:43Well you feel incredibly vulnerable
18:45you're at your most vulnerable state
18:47you've exchanged intimate messages
18:48images
18:49but these were coerced out of you
18:51In any other situation
18:52you would definitely have said no
18:54so that feeling
18:54that you've been used
18:55and abused is very real
18:56even though there's no financial harm
18:58the psychological harm
18:59is incredibly devastating
19:00And what amazed me
19:02in this story as well
19:03and I mean
19:03Abi you play an incredible role in it
19:05Detective Draper
19:06pretty much throughout
19:07but she turned on you
19:09at one point
19:09to make you look like
19:11you were the person doing something wrong
19:13didn't she?
19:13Yeah
19:13on the third occasion
19:15I had spoke to Adele on the phone
19:18and she was even heavily manipulating me
19:21as herself
19:21to make me feel like
19:22I had got this wrong all these years
19:25and it wasn't her
19:26and I wanted to create this full thing
19:29and this was all on me
19:30and I actually did sit back at one point
19:32and thought
19:32have I created this full drama
19:34and she doesn't deserve to be in prison
19:36and this is all on me
19:37Classic gaslighting
19:38and it did work
19:39it worked for a little bit
19:41because I did feel like
19:43oh gosh
19:43but then I was like
19:44actually no
19:45like this is you
19:46Well done as well
19:47for doing that
19:48it's incredible the story
19:49I mean it's really
19:49as well worth the watch
19:50Yeah it really is
19:52well thank you so much
19:53for coming in
19:53and talking to us you two
19:54and I'll tell you what
19:55stick around for the rest of the day
19:56I think we could use these two
19:57with some of our appeals
19:58I know
19:58we could actually
19:59these two together
20:00we'd solve plenty
20:01Yeah definitely
20:02Thank you so much
20:03Now talking of abusive trust
20:05how a friend of an elderly couple
20:08offered to be their bookkeeper
20:09and ended up stealing
20:10nearly a million pounds from them
20:14Within the space of a year
20:15all the money was all transferred
20:18leaving them penniless
20:19so they can't pay for their care
20:21£18,000 goes into your account
20:23the next day
20:24£9,500 goes to your account
20:27It's a crazy amount of money
20:28she has taken advantage of them
20:30when they are at their most vulnerable
20:43In September 2023
20:45Detective Sergeant Katie Lewis
20:47from the Thames Valley Police Fraud Unit
20:49received a call from a bank
20:51they were concerned
20:53that a large sum of money
20:55had been moved out
20:56of an elderly customer's account
21:00That was sufficient for us
21:02to request a safeguarding visit
21:04so an officer went to the house
21:06where the victim was believed to live
21:08but we identified that she had been in care
21:10for the last four years
21:11To protect the identities
21:13of the two elderly victims
21:14we have changed their names
21:16to Catherine and James
21:18We spoke to Catherine's care home
21:20they informed us
21:21that she did have a husband called James
21:23but he was in a separate care home
21:25a bit further away
21:27Police found out
21:28the couple used a woman
21:29called Susan Bruland
21:31to help them with their finances
21:33Susan was a bookkeeper
21:34and really was a close
21:37and trusted friend
21:38of Catherine and James
21:41Susan obtained
21:42power of attorney for James
21:43back in 2017
21:45and in 2018
21:47she obtained it for Catherine
21:48A power of attorney
21:50gives a person
21:51the legal authority
21:52to make health
21:53welfare
21:54and financial decisions
21:55on behalf of someone else
21:57Police could see
21:58Susan had been withdrawing
22:00regular sums of money
22:01from Catherine's account
22:03The intel itself
22:04raised concerns
22:05and flags for me
22:06but we need to ascertain
22:08if we think it is
22:08a criminal offence
22:10So the biggest inquiry
22:12was with the banks
22:14and it showed
22:16quite a complicated money trial
22:17that money was moved
22:18between different accounts
22:19so we had to work out
22:20where the money had gone
22:22and what it had been used for
22:24In 2019
22:25James and Catherine
22:27had both moved
22:28into care homes
22:30The fees are quite high
22:32so Susan sold the house
22:34on their behalf
22:35which is in keeping
22:36with being a power of attorney
22:38and it's quite normal practice
22:39The money from that sale
22:41was divided by Susan Bruland
22:43into two accounts
22:44£300,000 for Catherine
22:47and the same for James
22:48The aim was to pay for their care
22:52For the first few years
22:53all the finances were in order
22:54there was nothing untoward
22:56she was paying the care home fees
22:58and everything was
23:00as you'd expect
23:03But then in August 2022
23:05two lots of £19,000
23:08was transferred to Susan
23:10titled toiletries
23:13I think anyone would look at that
23:15and think £40,000
23:16is a considerable amount of money
23:19to be spending on toiletries
23:20when somebody's in a care home
23:21A month later
23:23it happened again
23:24and another £18,000
23:26was transferred
23:30It really changed
23:32from about January 2023
23:33Lots of round amounts
23:35every month
23:36on average
23:37about £20,000
23:38at a time
23:40Susan made it
23:41a little bit more complicated
23:42by moving money
23:43between accounts
23:44so even between
23:46James and Catherine themselves
23:47potentially in a bid to avoid
23:50any concerns from the banks
23:54In fact
23:55Susan transferred over £550,000
23:58into her own business accounts
24:01She then went on to liquidate
24:03the couple's investments
24:06Within the space of a year
24:07all the money
24:08that James and Catherine had
24:09which was substantial
24:10was all transferred
24:11from their bank accounts
24:12leaving almost nothing
24:14On the 17th of January 2024
24:17she was arrested
24:18at her home
24:22Susan Berlin
24:23Can we come in please?
24:28We've got a warrant
24:29from the court
24:30for your arrest
24:32and to search the house
24:34So
24:35at this point
24:37601
24:37I'm arresting you
24:39on suspicion of fraud
24:41and money laundering
24:42You do not have to say anything
24:44but it may harm your defence
24:45if you do not mention
24:46when questioned
24:47something that you later
24:48rely on in court
24:49anything you do say
24:50may be given in evidence
24:51OK
24:51She lived on her own
24:53in her rented property
24:53but there was absolutely nothing
24:55to suggest she had used
24:56that money to buy herself
24:59anything high value
25:02On 28th
25:03£18,000 goes into your account
25:05The next day
25:06£9,500 goes to your account
25:09The following day
25:10£22,000 goes to your account
25:12and so on and so on
25:13She claimed she had an agreement
25:15to pay off her loans and debts
25:16by borrowing this money
25:18Was there any terms
25:20as to what the money
25:21was to be used for?
25:23It was to help me
25:24get through
25:24and get the pub up and running
25:26and get me to follow my dreams
25:28And that's what she agreed to?
25:29Yeah
25:29OK
25:32Catherine just wouldn't agree
25:33for it to all be taken
25:34It's a crazy amount of money
25:37We know around that time
25:39Susan had personal problems
25:41The issues with her business
25:43and she has used all their money
25:44to help herself
25:46leaving them penniless
25:47so they can't pay for their care
25:49I need to sort it out
25:50I'm trying to sort it out
25:52I'm trying to get everything
25:53on an even keel
25:57She told police
25:58she had bought
25:58£150,000 worth of cryptocurrency
26:01but that she had been defrauded
26:03and was trying to get it back
26:06I'm surprised
26:07knowing her background
26:08and her profession
26:09that she had allowed it to happen
26:10but she didn't want to
26:12exceed reality of the problem
26:14Would you care to
26:15Vanturo guess
26:16to how much money
26:17you've taken?
26:22I don't care
26:23That was in excess
26:25of £900,000
26:27Wow
26:32I expected
26:33more remorse
26:34I'll be honest
26:35There was never any point
26:36when she said
26:37I'm really sorry
26:38I can't believe
26:39I let this happen
26:40but those words didn't come
26:42She has taken advantage of them
26:44when they are at
26:45their most vulnerable
26:47Having taken over £900,000
26:49of her friend's money
26:50Susan Brulin
26:51was sentenced
26:52to five years in prison
26:54for two counts of fraud
26:55by abuse of position
27:00Sadly
27:01Catherine passed away
27:02a few weeks
27:03after we started
27:03the investigation
27:05James is still alive
27:07he's in care
27:08but I'm really glad
27:09that they have no idea
27:11that this happened
27:11I would hate to think
27:13of the emotional impact
27:15it would have on them
27:16knowing that someone
27:16who is really close to them
27:17has abused their trust
27:23Exactly that
27:24a massive abuse of trust
27:25and a huge amount of money
27:26but I'm glad the detectives
27:28got a result there
27:29Now I'm joined
27:30by Detective Sergeant
27:31Maria Isom
27:32from the South East Regional
27:34Organised Crime Unit
27:35who's urgently looking
27:36for the whereabouts
27:37of this man
27:38Charlie Salisbury
27:40Maria what can you tell us
27:42about this man
27:43that you're after?
27:44Yes Raph
27:45this is Charlie Salisbury
27:47he is wanted by us
27:49for offences
27:49of conspiracy
27:50to supply
27:51class A drugs
27:52and associated
27:53money laundering offences
27:54we last spoke to
27:56Charlie
27:57on the 18th of May
27:582021
27:59we went to his
28:01home address
28:01in Bicester
28:02which is in Thames Valley
28:03and we conducted
28:04a search warrant there
28:05unfortunately
28:06Charlie was not present
28:07he did call us up though
28:09and he said
28:09he would hand himself in
28:10unfortunately
28:11he never did
28:12and we haven't spoken
28:13to him since
28:14so that's five years
28:15almost exactly
28:18okay let's try and find him
28:19what does he look like
28:20give us a description
28:21if you can
28:21yes so Charlie is 34 now
28:23he's about 5 foot 7
28:25he previously had
28:27either cropped hair
28:28you can see in this picture
28:29or slightly longer hair
28:30he does have some
28:32very distinctive tattoos
28:33so he has a tattoo
28:35of a coy carp
28:37and also a dragon
28:40you can see a large one
28:41on his calf there
28:42can't we
28:42yeah
28:43another sleeve
28:44on his arm
28:45yeah
28:46Charlie grew up
28:47in the Hayes
28:48and Hillingdon area
28:49so North London
28:50as I said
28:51he was actually
28:52living in Bicester
28:53at the time
28:53that we did
28:54the search warrant
28:55we know that Charlie
28:56is an avid
28:57Queen's Park Rangers
28:59football fan
28:59okay
29:00so good clues
29:02if anyone
29:02thinks they know
29:04where he might be
29:04he was actually
29:06part of a wider gang
29:07wasn't he
29:07that have been arrested
29:08yeah that's correct
29:10so this is actually
29:11part of a much wider
29:12nationwide investigation
29:14called Operation Venetic
29:16so Operation Venetic
29:17involved organised crime
29:19groups across Europe
29:21accessing a highly
29:22secretive and encrypted
29:23messaging service
29:24in early 2020
29:26law enforcement
29:27actually were able
29:29to get into that
29:29messaging service
29:30and Charlie
29:32was using that
29:33and he was using
29:34a false name
29:36we call it
29:37handle name
29:38his was Amused Penguin
29:40and when we looked
29:42through the messages
29:42we could see that
29:44Charlie was playing
29:44a really big
29:45significant role
29:46in an organised
29:48crime group
29:49moving large quantities
29:51of cocaine
29:52at that time
29:53that we were looking
29:53into those offences
29:54well it's a huge job
29:55and I know that some
29:56have been sentenced
29:57already
29:57yes that's correct
29:58so it was actually
30:00he was part of a
30:01bigger group
30:02of six individuals
30:03all of those people
30:04have now been convicted
30:06either found guilty
30:07or found guilty
30:08at trial
30:09and the combined
30:10total sentencing
30:11is about 30 years
30:14two of those
30:15defendants
30:16were found guilty
30:17of money laundering
30:18offences
30:18and one of those
30:20was Charlie's
30:21ex-partner
30:21who he has two
30:22young children with
30:24at the time
30:24so it's five years
30:26a long time
30:27to be on the run
30:27where do you think
30:29he could be now
30:29who are you really
30:30appealing to
30:31yeah so I think
30:32he's probably been
30:32supported by
30:33wider associates
30:35in the criminal network
30:36we think it's possible
30:37that Charlie left
30:38the UK
30:38and is possibly
30:39in southern Spain
30:41and so our appeal
30:42today is really
30:43to those people
30:44that might recognise
30:45Charlie
30:45that can come forward
30:47but more importantly
30:48we are trying
30:49to appeal to
30:50Charlie himself
30:51he hasn't said
30:52two young children here
30:54it's fair to say
30:55that the other
30:55defendants
30:56that have been
30:56convicted
30:57are now on probation
30:59so had Charlie
31:00so that's interesting
31:01so when you spoke
31:02to him last
31:03five years ago
31:04he said he was
31:05coming into the
31:05police station
31:06he didn't turn up
31:07those that were
31:08dealt with then
31:09have done their time
31:10and come out
31:11exactly yeah
31:11so had Charlie
31:12done what he said
31:13he was going to do
31:14he'd probably be out
31:14spending time
31:15with his children
31:16right now
31:17so it's really
31:18important that he
31:18just gets in
31:19contact with us
31:20and we can make
31:20those necessary
31:21arrangements
31:22Maria thank you
31:23well let's try
31:23and make that happen
31:24if you know
31:25this man
31:26if you know
31:27where he might be
31:28remember it's
31:28Charlie Salisbury
31:29Charlie if you're
31:30watching yourself
31:30get in touch
31:31we want to hear
31:32from you
31:32we made it easy
31:33the number's at
31:33the bottom of the
31:34screen
31:34give us a call
31:35tell us where you
31:36are and we can
31:37make the necessary
31:38arrangements
31:38but if you can
31:39help locate him
31:40do get in touch
31:42yes please do
31:43now how a charity
31:45pay tribute to
31:46those officers
31:47who have fallen
31:48in the line of
31:49duty
31:52every day
31:53every day
31:53police officers
31:54up and down
31:54the country
31:55put on their
31:55uniform
31:56and put themselves
31:57in dangerous
31:59situations
32:00or at harm's
32:01way
32:03most often
32:04they come back
32:04home
32:04and go back
32:05to their loved
32:06ones
32:06on small
32:07occasions
32:08some officers
32:08don't make
32:09it
32:10and what they
32:11leave behind
32:12is shattered
32:13lives of families
32:14and loved ones
32:15that don't see
32:16them come back
32:22home
32:23I'm Vinnie
32:23Waggiani
32:24I'm a detective
32:25inspector
32:26at Kemp
32:27police
32:27and I've been
32:28a police officer
32:29for 20 plus
32:30years
32:31in the early
32:32years of my
32:33career
32:34I really felt
32:35the vulnerabilities
32:37I never knew
32:38if someone was
32:40going to pull
32:41out a knife
32:41and stab me
32:42when I do have
32:43conversations
32:44with my wife
32:45she feels
32:46the fear
32:47when I leave
32:48the front door
32:53in 2011
32:55we lost
32:56a police officer
32:57who was killed
32:58a colleague
32:59of mine
33:00felt he had
33:01to do something
33:02to raise
33:02some money
33:03for the two
33:04children
33:04that were
33:05left behind
33:06his vision
33:07was to get
33:09groups of people
33:09to climb
33:11mountains
33:12and when they
33:13got to the top
33:14of the mountain
33:15they would
33:16light lanterns
33:17to remember
33:18the fallen
33:19officer
33:21that's where
33:22Light the Lakes
33:23was born
33:27on an event
33:28day
33:29people will gather
33:30and they'll
33:31start getting
33:32ready with their
33:33hiking boots
33:34and start making
33:35the steady
33:36paces to scale
33:37the mountains
33:38that they're
33:38going to climb
33:40during the
33:41journey of the
33:41mountain climbing
33:42there'll be
33:44laughs
33:45there'll be
33:45tears
33:46and as we
33:47get to the
33:48top
33:48there's a
33:49sigh of relief
33:49that we've
33:50got there
33:51the feeling
33:52is hard to
33:53explain
33:53when you get
33:54a moment
33:55of silence
33:56and then at
33:57three o'clock
33:57in the morning
33:58you start
33:58seeing lights
34:00lighting up
34:01from each
34:01peak to
34:02each peak
34:02and it's
34:03that moment
34:04where
34:05people feel
34:06connected
34:07and every
34:08year
34:09when I
34:09light
34:10the flare
34:10I have
34:12that same
34:13feeling
34:13of goosebumps
34:14that peacefulness
34:16and that
34:17moment of
34:17reflection
34:18where you're
34:19just remembering
34:20police officers
34:21that have
34:21died
34:25there'll be
34:25a moment
34:26where I
34:27will roll
34:28call all
34:29the police
34:29officers that
34:30have died
34:31during that
34:32year from
34:33duty
34:35Daniel
34:36Golding
34:37from
34:37Metropolitan
34:38Police
34:40Daniel
34:41Gower
34:42from
34:42Hampshire
34:43and
34:43Isle of
34:43White
34:44Constabulary
34:48Richard
34:49Kemp
34:50from
34:51Lancashire
34:52Constabulary
34:54Steve
34:55Creole
34:55from
34:56Sussex
34:57Police
34:57Bruce
34:59Lister
34:59from
35:00Harkenshire
35:01Constabulary
35:11The event
35:12provides an
35:13opportunity
35:14for quite a
35:15lot of
35:15people
35:15where
35:16losing a
35:17loved one
35:18is still
35:18raw
35:21and the
35:22journey
35:23to the
35:23top of
35:23the
35:24mountain
35:24gives
35:25them
35:25a sense
35:26of
35:28peace
35:31we
35:32partnered
35:33with a
35:33charity
35:34who
35:34support
35:35the
35:35family
35:35of
35:36fallen
35:36officers
35:38and
35:39we've
35:39seen
35:40the
35:40numbers
35:41of
35:41participants
35:42grow
35:42as the
35:43events
35:43grown
35:44year
35:44by year
35:46like the
35:47lakes
35:47gives
35:48people
35:48an
35:48opportunity
35:49to
35:49connect
35:50and
35:50as
35:50part
35:51of
35:51that
35:51connection
35:52we're
35:52able
35:52to
35:52remember
35:53our
35:54fallen
35:54officers
35:55together
35:55and
35:56it's
35:56that
35:56togetherness
35:57that
35:58allows
35:58us
35:58to
35:58create
35:59stronger
36:00healing
36:00powers
36:03such
36:03an
36:03important
36:04cause
36:04isn't
36:04it
36:04and
36:04I'm
36:04delighted
36:05to
36:05say
36:05they
36:05have
36:06now
36:06raised
36:06over
36:07£200,000
36:08through
36:09those
36:10walks
36:10which is
36:10brilliant
36:11so well
36:11done
36:11now in
36:12the
36:12studio
36:13we have
36:13some
36:13very
36:14special
36:14guests
36:14with
36:15us
36:15Lucy
36:15McLeod
36:16is
36:16the
36:16borough
36:17commander
36:17for
36:17Hammersmith
36:18and
36:18Fulham
36:18for
36:19the
36:19London
36:19Fire
36:20Brigade
36:20and
36:21she's
36:21brought
36:21with
36:21her
36:22the
36:22beautiful
36:22well-being
36:23dog
36:23Blue
36:24lovely
36:24to
36:25see
36:25you
36:25both
36:25thank
36:26you
36:26for
36:26coming
36:26in
36:26loads
36:27to
36:27chat
36:28to
36:28you
36:28about
36:28Blue
36:29but first
36:29of all
36:29tell us a bit
36:30about you
36:30because
36:31I mean I can't
36:32believe the figures
36:33on how many women
36:33there are as
36:34firefighters it's only
36:358% isn't it
36:36you're one of them
36:37you've done really
36:38well you're
36:38you know one of the
36:39most senior
36:40what was your
36:41journey
36:41so I joined
36:43late I didn't
36:43think it was a
36:44job for me
36:45because it was
36:46never put out
36:47there I joined
36:48at 29 I
36:48started as
36:49non-operational
36:50became operational
36:52and that's
36:53almost 17
36:53years ago
36:54and I'm
36:55trying to
36:55influence
36:56you know
36:57women to
36:58join the
36:58service it's
36:59really important
37:00we're lucky in
37:01London where we've
37:02got slightly
37:03more than 8%
37:0410%
37:04but still it's
37:05not really
37:05enough and
37:06one of the
37:07ways that I'm
37:07hoping to do
37:08that is by
37:09oh you've got a
37:10book
37:10yes
37:11a book
37:12yeah
37:12so what I
37:14realised
37:14sorry what I
37:15realised was
37:15there's no real
37:16representation in
37:17children's books
37:18with women
37:19firefighters
37:21so I'm
37:22hopeful that
37:22that will
37:24help
37:24yes
37:25and you've
37:25got a really
37:26senior job
37:27haven't you
37:28as well
37:28so tell us
37:29a bit
37:29did you face
37:30many barriers
37:31getting to the
37:31top
37:33I think it's
37:34really difficult
37:35because I don't
37:36look like a
37:37firefighter so
37:37generally every day
37:38I'll get some
37:39there are barriers
37:40with the public
37:43but if you were
37:44to put a
37:45firefighter into
37:46AI you're not
37:46going to get a
37:47picture of me
37:47back so I think
37:48so true
37:49so that's a
37:50barrier in
37:51itself so
37:51having people
37:52out there as
37:53role models so
37:54that people can
37:55look and go
37:55oh yeah
37:55he loves you
37:58I know yeah
37:59he's coming over
38:00to give you some
38:00love so that
38:01people can aspire
38:02to it and if
38:03you can see it
38:03you can be it
38:04you can believe it
38:04can't you
38:05and that's what's
38:06really important
38:07it's so key as
38:08you say
38:08so tell us about
38:09Blue then
38:10what's Blue's
38:10job
38:10so Blue is a
38:12trauma and
38:12well-being dog
38:13he qualified as
38:14an OK9 dog
38:14in 2024
38:15and he comes
38:16with me to have
38:17difficult conversations
38:18about mental health
38:20so we go to the
38:21fire stations
38:22and you know
38:23my uniform can be
38:24a barrier
38:25so he acts as a
38:27bit of a buffer
38:27and a bridge
38:28he'll come in
38:28just like he did
38:29with you
38:29and positive
38:30interactions with
38:31dogs are proven
38:33to lower your
38:34cortisol and up
38:35your feel-good
38:36hormones like
38:37serotonin and
38:38oxytocin
38:38so then you might
38:40open up and
38:40speak about
38:41other things
38:42yeah because
38:43when you came
38:44into the studio
38:44literally everyone
38:45was round you
38:46it was like you
38:46had cakes or
38:47something they're
38:47the only occasions
38:48everyone will
38:48come to you like
38:49that but it's
38:50all that isn't
38:51it and that's
38:51what you're
38:51getting with
38:52firefighters who
38:53are maybe
38:53struggling with
38:55what's going on
38:56with work having
38:56to do really
38:57tough stuff
38:57absolutely that
38:58yeah and it's
38:59about then me
39:00being able to
39:01have that
39:01conversation to
39:02signpost them
39:03to places that
39:04I can get help
39:04and it's really
39:06positive people do
39:07do that because
39:07they've opened up
39:08and Blues allowed
39:09that conversation to
39:10happen so really
39:12important stuff
39:12yeah because the
39:13reaction you've had
39:14has been quite
39:15incredible hasn't
39:16it yeah and I'm
39:17one of I've one
39:18of we've got 10
39:19dogs in London
39:21and we've got all
39:22shapes and sizes
39:22because he's very
39:24unusual looking and
39:25there's the bright
39:25blue eyes as well
39:26yeah they just
39:27people get drawn to
39:28him and even you
39:29know the older
39:30sort of longer in
39:31the longer in the
39:32tooth firefighters
39:33once you start
39:33talking to them
39:34they can you know
39:35they've gone and
39:36got their own help
39:36so that's great for
39:37us because we keep
39:38them in service
39:39then it's really
39:40important
39:40yes because I
39:41know some people
39:42might be a bit
39:43like oh you know
39:44that dog's not
39:44going to make a
39:45difference and think
39:46it's all a bit
39:46woo woo and you've
39:47proven it isn't
39:48yeah absolutely
39:49and there's loads
39:50of other dogs
39:51working with the
39:52OK9 network as
39:53well with the
39:54police and the
39:55ambulance doing
39:56some really good
39:57stuff so yeah
39:58yeah so I know
39:59I keep thinking
40:00saying we should
40:00get a studio dog
40:01I think you should
40:02it just calms
40:02everyone down
40:02doesn't it but
40:03you've done so
40:05well for yourself
40:05because you've won
40:05a big award as
40:06well haven't you
40:07as the most
40:07influential woman
40:08in firefighting
40:09what did that
40:11feel like
40:12yeah that was
40:13in December
40:14and I was really
40:15grateful to get
40:15shortlisted in the
40:16first instance
40:17there was a great
40:17group of people
40:18that I was up
40:18against and when
40:19they read out
40:20my name I was
40:20like oh oh my
40:21goodness that's
40:22me I need to
40:22get up and get
40:23that award
40:25I was a little
40:25bit embarrassed
40:26because it's
40:26about some of
40:27the work that
40:27Blue and I do
40:28it's about the
40:28way I lead
40:30it's a number
40:31of different things
40:32but actually you
40:33know it's a
40:33great platform
40:34to be able to
40:35help more people
40:38I'm the only
40:39woman national
40:40tactical advisor
40:41in urban search
40:42and rescue in
40:43the country
40:45I'm the only
40:45fellow of the
40:46institute of
40:47search and
40:48technical rescue
40:48as a woman
40:49and I think
40:49there's so much
40:50more to do
40:51so it gives me
40:52a real platform
40:53to be able to
40:53do that
40:53so what would
40:54you say then
40:55to anyone
40:56watching this
40:57who might think
40:57oh hang on
40:58maybe this is
40:58for me
40:59what would
40:59you say to
40:59them
41:01come down
41:01come down
41:02to a fire
41:02station
41:02if you're
41:03in London
41:03and you're
41:03more than
41:04welcome
41:04to drop
41:06me a line
41:06come and
41:07have a look
41:07see how
41:07fire station
41:08works
41:08do that
41:10we've got
41:11some great
41:11outreach programs
41:12that you can
41:13go and have
41:13a look
41:13actually most
41:14fire services
41:15that's happened
41:15down the country
41:16do
41:16go and have
41:17a look
41:17see if it's
41:18for you
41:18and if you're
41:19into sports
41:20and fitness
41:21and a
41:22different thing
41:23every day
41:24then yeah
41:25it's for you
41:25brilliant
41:26well thank you
41:27so much
41:27for coming
41:27thank you
41:28thank you
41:28I know
41:29Rav will be
41:29jealous not to
41:30be here
41:30with us
41:31Rav
41:33yes I am
41:34very jealous
41:35but I am
41:35hearing really
41:36good calls
41:37coming in
41:37about those
41:38human remains
41:39that were found
41:39in North Wales
41:40so please do
41:41keep those
41:41coming
41:42now for the
41:43last time
41:43this series
41:43we've got
41:44wanted faces
41:49first we have
41:50Kyle Campbell
41:51who also uses
41:52the surname
41:52manners
41:53South Yorkshire
41:54police are
41:54looking for the
41:5525 year old
41:56after he failed
41:56to appear at
41:57court following
41:58being charged
41:58with GBH
41:59with intent
41:59his average
42:00build and height
42:01with a northern
42:02accent and links
42:02to Doncaster
42:03though recent
42:04intelligence suggests
42:05he could be
42:06in the new
42:06Rossington area
42:08of the city
42:08next
42:09Siwan Hassan
42:11but he also goes
42:12by Siwan and
42:13Saban
42:14he's also been
42:15recalled to prison
42:16he's now at large
42:17he's 42
42:17has links to
42:18Midlands
42:18and also
42:19South Yorkshire
42:20and last
42:21for today in the
42:22series
42:22South Wales
42:23police want your
42:24help to find
42:25Hakim Sarvast
42:26police want to
42:27speak to him
42:28about a stabbing
42:29which took place
42:29in a kebab shop
42:30in Cardiff
42:31in January
42:31this year
42:32it left a man
42:33with serious
42:34injuries
42:34so if you know
42:35where any of
42:36these three men
42:36are do get in
42:38touch and I'm
42:38afraid that's all
42:39we've got time
42:39for today in the
42:40series
42:40thank you for
42:41watching over the
42:42last three weeks
42:42and for all those
42:43calls remember
42:44you can catch us
42:45on iPlayer
42:46for the next
42:4630 days
42:47yes you can also
42:48watch our sister
42:48series
42:49Crimewatch Court
42:50that's going to
42:50be on for
42:51Monday at
42:5210.45
42:53here's a little
42:53taster for you
42:56hello police
42:57emergency
43:15we'll work around
43:16the clock if it
43:17means putting
43:17criminals behind
43:18bars
43:18it only takes
43:19that one
43:20mistake
43:20for us to
43:21catch you
43:21crime doesn't
43:22pay
43:23you will be
43:24caught
43:27oh it looks
43:28good
43:29some cracking
43:29stories
43:30and that's
43:30we'll be back
43:31in autumn
43:32until then
43:32take care
43:33yeah bye bye
43:34for now
43:34see ya
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