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00:00A complete Jared Allen Game 7 takeover game. Who saw that coming?
00:05Domination!
00:06Audio courtesy of Peacock NBC.
00:11What a strange start to the game.
00:16And just Jared Allen, Max Drews, Sam Merrill, the role players.
00:22Those guys that are all role players.
00:24I know we've talked about Jared Allen as the core four all along when Darius was here.
00:28And I know he was an all-star, Jared Allen, but he's a role player.
00:32He's not a superstar.
00:34He's not really paid like a superstar or anything like that.
00:37But he gets a lot of criticism.
00:38And he's right.
00:39The way the NBA works is once the label is there, the label is there.
00:42I'm looking at Joel Embiid.
00:44Think about what guys have said about Joel Embiid.
00:47That's an MVP.
00:48It's one of the best players I've seen in the NBA in the last 20 years.
00:52James Harden.
00:53James Harden's one of the best players in the last 40 years in the NBA.
00:56Yeah, but Jared Allen was the one that came out and said the lights were too bright.
00:59And that's haunted him ever since he made that comment, right?
01:01Yeah, without a doubt.
01:02I don't think that one game is going to take away from that haunting.
01:05But it's at least a step in the right direction, right?
01:08I think it is, yes.
01:10Yes, without a doubt.
01:11I do think, you know, all series long he was pretty banged up.
01:14Remember, he had missed nine games with that contusion.
01:17And, you know, just kind of watching him labor around.
01:21It seemed like he was not able to, you know, be the athlete, be able to have the quick jumps
01:27that you need to play inside and get the shot blocking going.
01:31And then all of a sudden, it came back yesterday.
01:33It came back with a vengeance.
01:34It's as healthy as I've seen Jared Allen look in quite some time.
01:38And he really did piece it together on both ends of the floor.
01:41See, part of the issue with the Cavs is they just don't have the two-way players that some
01:46of the other teams do.
01:48You know, that's what we say about the Boston Celtics between Tatum and Brown, two-way players.
01:53Derek White can be a two-way player.
01:55All right, well, that kind of faded for them.
01:57While the Cavs, by the end of the series, I saw James Harden playing really good defense.
02:03I saw Max Struess doing it on both ends and making up for maybe the streak shooting.
02:08But he brought it with that attitude and intensity, and you need that in a playoff series.
02:14That is the big difference between the playoffs and a regular season.
02:17One-way players just don't really get it done this time of year.
02:20It really felt like when A.J. Lawson took Allen down, okay, he tackled him.
02:25He didn't take him down.
02:25He tackled him.
02:27And then even after the review, they're like, hey, just, you know,
02:30brought him down by the shoulder, no big deal.
02:32Not a flagrant foul, even though there was no basketball play being made there.
02:36It felt like that woke Jared up.
02:39And the angry Jared Allen that I have been begging to see for the last couple of postseasons
02:47finally emerged.
02:49Like, we know Jared's a really good basketball player, okay?
02:54But he's almost too nice.
02:58And I kind of mean that in the nicest way.
03:01But he's just such a good guy and such a nice guy.
03:05But when you're in the playoffs, you can't be a good guy.
03:08You can't be a nice guy.
03:10And yesterday, you got very angry Jared Allen.
03:14And it showed in that third quarter.
03:1614-10.
03:18Blocked a couple of shots.
03:19Had a couple of steals.
03:20It feels like, I mean, he basically took over that game.
03:24And I saw a stat.
03:28Only he and LeBron James in a Game 7 for the Cavaliers to register 20 or more points,
03:3815 or more rebounds in a Game 7.
03:40Only LeBron James.
03:42It's incredible.
03:43Yeah.
03:43LeBron did it May 27, 2018 in the conference finals against the Boston Celtics.
03:49The thing you said about the nice guy thing, because that has been a wrap, without a doubt.
03:54That's part of the Darius thing, too.
03:56Darius was just a super nice guy.
03:59And, look, I'm not going to make it seem like James Harden is some bruiser.
04:04You know, he's a pretty laid-back guy, too, and seems to be friendly with a lot of guys in
04:09the league.
04:10But I don't think he went unnoticed that a couple of skirmishes, you know, James got in there.
04:16James also, you know, got pushed and then kind of tore it late in the fourth quarter
04:20and then completely tackled the Raptors' head coach, which I thought was hilarious.
04:24A nice parting shot to the Toronto Raptors' buh-bye, as, you know, he did that in a very James
04:31Harden flopping kind of way.
04:33How about Jarrett Allen in the closing seconds when the Raptors were trying to mix it up?
04:37He's yelling at him, go home!
04:41He did.
04:42Go home!
04:42Yeah, he did.
04:43He addressed it after the game, too, and told him he was letting him know.
04:46But in the end, you know, I do think they showed some toughness.
04:49Nobody's going to be impressed that you beat Toronto in seven games.
04:51Like, let's make that abundantly clear.
04:53I'm not jumping up and down doing I told you so's about the Cavs.
04:57I am impressed.
04:58And here's why.
04:59Not so much about that it took them seven games to handle their business.
05:03I'm impressed with how they handled adversity because we have seen this team when it came to the postseason in
05:12adversity,
05:12they folded like an accordion, okay?
05:15They didn't do that this series.
05:17They didn't do that last night when they fell down by ten, not once but twice in that first half.
05:24The building started to get a little tense.
05:26There were a couple of boo-birds there.
05:28Like, and they responded.
05:31Jared Allen gets taken down.
05:32Now, look, there have been many a game where Jared has been fouled hard in that fashion,
05:38and he doesn't respond to it.
05:40He just brushes it off, and that's just going to be that, right?
05:43We saw last year the criticism, the scuffle that broke out with the Indiana Pacers,
05:48and there's the video, right?
05:49It's up at the top of the screen, and down on the bottom of the screen is Jared Allen all
05:53by himself,
05:53and he's just kind of like, y'all do your thing over here.
05:56I'm going to be down here.
05:57You know, I'm not getting involved.
05:58And last night, he got involved, and it didn't have to be a fight or anything like that.
06:05He got involved by getting physical on the boards.
06:07He got very physical defensively, caused a couple of turnovers.
06:11He ran the floor.
06:14Lima, he took off from the free throw line and smashed.
06:17For a guy that's been injured.
06:19Right.
06:20He went Michael Jordan.
06:21He took off from the free throw line and smashed one home.
06:24Well, I noted yesterday there was a report from The Athletic last year
06:29that he wasn't like some of the athletes that take the pain meds,
06:33like take the shot, I should say, when they're dealing with it on game day.
06:37You know, that's stuff we've heard back in the annals of sports history.
06:41Like, ah, shoot him up and go out there and play.
06:43And he kind of famously refused to do that, according to the reports.
06:46And I was sitting there kind of laughing.
06:48I'm like, wondering if he changes his mind on something like that.
06:52Because the guy I saw yesterday, you better hit it.
06:55You better.
06:56Reckless speculation.
06:58All of a sudden, Jared Allen is flying, doing Statue of Liberty stuff
07:02and looking like Dr. J.
07:04Just saying.
07:05Hey, Dr. J.
07:06Got to see him different.
07:07I know.
07:07Is that his new nickname?
07:09Is that what we're going with?
07:10Yeah, that's what they were calling him in the postgame last night.
07:13Dr. J.
07:14Dr. J.
07:15A.
07:15Maybe it'll stick.
07:16Well, he needs a few more of these Game 7 performances.
07:18I was going to say, he keeps doing what he did last night the rest of the way.
07:20And it will stick.
07:21I just hope it's Dr. J.
07:22A.
07:22As in Dr. J.
07:24And not Dr. Jekyll.
07:26And Mr. Hyde.
07:27Because I am worried.
07:28I'm just.
07:28You don't.
07:29You're not totally buying it.
07:30I'm not totally buying it.
07:30You're not buying it.
07:30This is just what he is now, right?
07:32I think we've seen instances of it.
07:35And they asked Donovan last night if that's the best performance you'd ever seen of him.
07:39And Donovan goes, well, he had 40 against Portland.
07:41And that was like in three quarters, right?
07:43Before all the trades happened.
07:44I don't think it's the best.
07:46I don't know.
07:47It's the best.
07:48Obviously, the best playoff performance that we've seen Jared Allen have.
07:51I think.
07:52In his time with the Cavs.
07:53But, man, it's going to have to be a pretty consistent.
07:56If I can see it in the consistency of a series against the Pistons, I'll be more bought into.
08:03Maybe this is the new Jared Allen.
08:05I know we're getting into semantics here.
08:07I'm not going to say it's the best we've seen of Jared Allen.
08:11I'm going to say most complete.
08:14Because he did it on both ends of the floor.
08:16Yeah, he did.
08:18That.
08:19Okay.
08:20Yeah.
08:20He scored 40 against Portland.
08:21Great.
08:21Okay.
08:22But, like, that was a complete effort from him.
08:27Defensively, he was just an absolute menace to Toronto.
08:33He was ripping basketballs.
08:35He was ripping rebounds away from the Raptors.
08:40Like, the Raptors would rebound the ball, and Jared just went in and just ripped the
08:44ball away.
08:44There were a few of those, by the way, yesterday.
08:46I mean, Donovan Mitchell did it after the whistle had been blown.
08:49He's like, you're just not taking the basketball.
08:51He ripped one away.
08:52I think it was from Scotty.
08:53Harden had another one of those, too.
08:55Like, they did show some feisty.
08:57I know.
08:58Why did it take seven games?
09:00I'm with you.
09:00Guys, I'm with you.
09:01Some would argue why did it take three years.
09:04Well, it should have never gone seven games.
09:05I'm one of those people.
09:07Look, there was some desperation.
09:08It looked like they played desperate, and, you know, sometimes that could go the other
09:12way.
09:12Larry and Cleveland, go ahead.
09:13What's up, Larry?
09:14Did you think the Cavs passed the toughness test?
09:17No, they didn't.
09:18They should have swept this team.
09:20They're just horrible.
09:22Well, they're not horrible.
09:23Are you watching the rest of the Easter conference?
09:27Well, I wanted to hear about it.
09:29I don't know how anybody...
09:30I didn't want to.
09:31Well, I don't know how...
09:32That's pretty asinine comment to make after the way that things went down with that series
09:37that they're just horrible.
09:38They are horrible.
09:39Yeah, they've played bad basketball.
09:42That doesn't mean that they're a horrible team.
09:44They won 52 games again this year.
09:45It is also the playoffs.
09:47Like, people are...
09:48Are people not understanding...
09:49The problem with your sport, Anthony, is that it's a totally different sport in the playoffs
09:53than it is.
09:54And I know that's why you love the playoffs, right?
09:56Because it becomes something different than it is in the regular season.
09:59But, man, for people to watch the regular season and expect a certain thing and then
10:04come into the playoffs and get something totally different, doesn't make it hard to follow
10:08along with.
10:09It's not saying it's bad.
10:10It's just different.
10:11Listen, I think people need to recalibrate what you think you know about basketball and the
10:17NBA because, you know, you're looking for consistency, right?
10:21We all...
10:21There's no such thing in the playoffs.
10:23It doesn't.
10:24Like, outside of Shea Gilgis-Alexander, like, look at the ebbs and flows of all these...
10:30The Orlando Magic were celebrating like they were moving on and then they coughed up a
10:3520-point lead against Detroit, you know, in Game 6 of that series and now they're home.
10:39And they didn't even show up.
10:40Yeah.
10:40Look, the Atlanta Hawks thought they had beaten the New York Knicks.
10:45They'd taken two out of the first three and CJ McCollum looked like a vintage CJ McCollum
10:49from the Portland days and they're home right now.
10:52The Denver Nuggets with the top player, top three player in the NBA, they're home.
10:58Like, you're not going to get consistent play.
11:00You're not going to see teams just make it look easy except for really Oklahoma City.
11:05Well, and this is why I can't buy into the sweep thing.
11:10Like, oh, it should just sweep the series.
11:13They swept Miami last year.
11:14I understand that, but it's just not a thing in the NBA where sweeps are that easy to come by.
11:20I wanted to say one last thing, Lima, that this Cavs conversation is brought to you by
11:24Surfside Hard Iced Tea.
11:26All right, that was Scotty Barnes, who I think most people were starting to say was the best
11:30player in that series.
11:33I don't know, do you finish after seven games?
11:34Who was the best player in that series?
11:36Would you still say Scotty?
11:38Which, if you would have told me that, I'd say we probably would have lost the series.
11:43Donovan had the two clunkers on the road.
11:46You've brought up, you know, James Harden has been good.
11:49He's not been the standout star.
11:51But probably Scotty, if you're just going on what they've done for seven games straight
11:56on an individualized performance, it's probably him.
11:59Look, it was a team effort yesterday.
12:01The fact that I'm kind of struggling to come up with the hierarchy in the end, by the
12:05end of the series, you know, who was the best, who stood out the most.
12:09It wasn't what we thought going in.
12:11I mean, what we thought going in was, all right, Donovan James and opening things up for
12:16everybody else after they would get theirs.
12:18And in the end, it was a total group effort.
12:22Now, it looked like potentially it was going to be a group effort in their elimination.
12:27So, you know, sometimes it's a fine line.
12:31I'm not going to lie.
12:31In that first half, the thought of elimination crossed my mind a few times.
12:36And rightfully so.
12:37I honestly was worried that we were doing locker clean-out day today.
12:40I was honestly worried that Dan Gilbert was firing Kenny Atkinson as he was walking off
12:45the floor.
12:46Like, those were the thoughts that were creeping into my head when they fell down 10 points.
12:50Daryl, halftime of game five.
12:52Halftime of game five.
12:52I told you, I was thinking about leaving the building and not even watching game six.
12:56Because that's how these things can teeter.
12:58Yeah.
12:59And just watch the other series.
13:01Watch how they vacillate.
13:03You know, back and forth, the Celtics and Philly, how Joel Embiid, who was barely on the team
13:10this year, you know, he played like 39 games.
13:13But you didn't know if you could.
13:15And he went down like eight different times in that series.
13:17You thought he was out for the series.
13:18And that's the thing about the NBA playoffs, that it can turn on a dime.
13:23It just, it's incredible how there just doesn't seem to be such a thing as momentum.
13:32Like, you're right.
13:33You're so right.
13:34As far as like a carrying over, right?
13:36I mean, we saw it in this series.
13:40You know, there are points where you thought the Cavaliers were just absolutely going to
13:44annihilate Toronto.
13:45And then there were moments where the shoe was on the other foot.
13:48And you're like, the Cavs aren't getting up off the mat here.
13:51And last night was that in microcosm.
13:54Because for the majority of that first half, I mean, it just was a continuation of the sloppy
14:01basketball that we had seen from the Cavaliers.
14:04They had 13 turnovers, Anthony, with like five minutes to go in the first half.
14:09And it wasn't James Harden this time.
14:11No.
14:11It was the other guys.
14:12They were horrible in the first quarter.
14:14And they ended up down two after one.
14:16Right.
14:16They should have been down 12 after one.
14:18It felt like it, right?
14:18And they were horrible in the second quarter.
14:20And it ended tied.
14:22Right.
14:22I mean, it just, it defied logic is the only way I can describe it.
14:28And then they came out in the third quarter after having that little run to get to a tie
14:33game at halftime.
14:34Then they opened up with that 9-0 spurt.
14:37And then they just kept piling on.
14:39And the next thing you knew, they were up by 22 points.
14:42And yeah, Toronto, they got a couple of times.
14:45The game fell over.
14:45It was.
14:45It fell over to me.
14:46You know, Toronto got to 15 and 14 and 12.
14:49They got it down to 12 at one point.
14:50They got down to 12.
14:51Obviously, 12 was the final spread.
14:52And they jacked up a three.
14:53And you're like, oh, no.
14:54But you know what it was?
14:54It might be a single-digit game.
14:55Harden got into his bag of tricks, the stuff you hate when he is on the other team.
15:00Yes.
15:01But he's just like, I'm a veteran.
15:02You guys are reaching all over the place.
15:04I'm going to get to the foul line.
15:06And he did.
15:07And that was it.
15:08That was the game.
15:08The three-pointer.
15:10Yeah, Harden.
15:10When he got fouled on the three, he just totally baited them.
15:12And they were in the bonus.
15:13Yeah, Harden shot like 11 free throws last year.
15:15And you asked, Anthony, who was the standout?
15:17Who was the best player in the series?
15:19And I don't think it was a Cav because nobody stood out.
15:21But is that something that's probably better about them right now?
15:24Because we had in that Miami series last year, it was Darius Garland was the standout player.
15:29Right?
15:29And then even in the Pacers loss, it was probably Donovan Mitchell, right?
15:35He's had these 50-point games since he's become a Cavalier.
15:38But I don't know.
15:39Maybe it's better for them as a team that they don't have a standout player right now.
15:42That they're all taking their moments to shine but not actually taking over a series.
15:48They're probably going to need somebody to take over a series if they want to advance.
15:51I do think when you look at the Pistons, I know defensively in the regular season,
15:55they were the try-hard Pistons.
15:57And, yes, they're physical too.
16:00But the anatomy of that team is this is a series I think Donovan and James can cook a lot
16:07better.
16:07Because they've got Duncan Robinson on the floor.
16:10Do you guys remember what the Cavs did to Duncan Robinson last year on the Miami Heat?
16:14He was unplayable in the series because they picked at him.
16:18The guards, that was Darius and Donovan.
16:20That was Darius' best series as a Cav.
16:24And they were targeting Duncan Robinson and he plays a lot of minutes for Detroit.
16:30So keep that in mind.
16:31You know, and Cade Cunningham has to do everything offensively for them.
16:34And Tobias Harris, they can drive by Tobias Harris.
16:37So they've got vulnerabilities that you can take advantage of that Toronto didn't.
16:43Especially with quickly out, Toronto went with a much, much tougher defensive unit.
16:50This Piston team reminds me of the 2007 Cavs.
16:54Where it was like LeBron and everybody else.
16:56That's what they are.
16:57Cade Cunningham is their LeBron.
17:00And then it's everybody else for the Pistons.
17:03They've got Ira Newble, Damon Jones, Donyell Marshall, Andy Verichel.
17:08They've got a bunch of role players.
17:09Yeah, they've got a bunch of role players for a supporting cast.
17:13Right?
17:14So, look, I kind of chuckled a little bit last night.
17:20Kenny Atkinson, after the game, already playing the underdog card.
17:24Are you buying it?
17:26No!
17:26Are you buying it?
17:27I mean, we're the road team.
17:28They're the number one seed.
17:29I'm not buying it either.
17:30100%.
17:31No.
17:31The Cavs are underdogs slightly.
17:33It's basically a pick-em series right now.
17:36I did laugh at that.
17:37He's like, well, the number one seed we're going into this is the underdogs.
17:40Do you think Donovan – honestly, do you think Donovan Mitchell and James Harden
17:45think they are underdogs in this series?
17:47No.
17:47No.
17:48I doubt that.
17:49And, you know, the one person that we've talked about all show about being tougher
17:52and he showed it yesterday, Jared Allen, who's the one guy who really called him
17:55out on his toughness?
17:56It was Bickerstaff, right?
17:57Oh, good call.
17:58That's the guy that's kind of put it out.
17:59A little vengeance on his mind.
18:01You want to prove that you're not the same guy you were, that your coach was out
18:05there talking about, and whichever Morris twin we had here was talking about.
18:09This is the time to go do it.
18:12I am getting more excited as we talk about it and the possibility of seeing something
18:17where Jared Allen really blossoms into the guy that they didn't trade this year
18:21when he's been the trade bait for three seasons.
18:23He has been mentioned literally for three seasons.
18:25You know what?
18:26I have a visual in my mind right now, and that's Dr. J.A. walking by J.B.
18:32staring him down, who's tough now.
18:36All right, let's go to the phones.
18:37Craig and Akron, go ahead.
18:38Next up on the fan.
18:39How are you, Craig?
18:40I'm not bad.
18:41How are you doing?
18:41Good.
18:43I want to say you asked about if you think they're tough now or whatnot.
18:49Did they pass the toughness test?
18:51Yeah.
18:51I think they've showed they have the capabilities of it.
18:55Not officially tough yet, but definitely at least something positive.
19:00And I will say about last year, they had so many injuries last year,
19:04they were running with, like, two people on the bench.
19:08I think last year was kind of a bad year to go by.
19:12All right, Craig.
19:12Thank you for the call.
19:13Look, the way that they had that rebounding edge, I mean,
19:17they almost doubled them up in this game, and you heard Scottie Barnes.
19:19And by the way, they, I think they got in Scottie's head.
19:22I think a collection of Strews, I think James was baiting him.
19:28Well, when you're Scottie Barnes and you're looking around and going,
19:30where's the rest of the Raptors at right now?
19:32Right.
19:32I mean, Jamal Shed's all you got to depend on.
19:38He turned into a pumpkin in the second half.
19:40Yeah, 5-16 from the floor.
19:42Adam in Dayton.
19:43Go ahead.
19:44Next up on the fan.
19:45Yeah, I think we passed the toughness test.
19:49I think it's something that you have to take relative to the other teams
19:53in the East right now.
19:55So, you know, the Pistons were pushed by an eight seed, essentially.
20:00And then you have the Sixers in my head are the ones who are at the top
20:06of passing the toughness test because they did something they were not
20:10supposed to do and beat Boston.
20:13You know, the Knicks.
20:14It was impressive.
20:15The Knicks beat a Hawks team that half of our fan base was praying that we
20:21were going to get to face the Hawks over the Raptors.
20:24So, yeah, were we not expected to go seven?
20:28No, but we were.
20:30We ended up having to.
20:32And then we came out from it.
20:34So, it's all.
20:35We move on.
20:36You reset.
20:38There's no Boston in these playoffs.
20:41Focus on Detroit, which we think is a good matchup for us.
20:45We'll see.
20:46Yeah, I think so.
20:48I think it is a good matchup.
20:49We'll get into that more tomorrow, obviously.
20:51The Cavs thought Toronto was going to be a really good matchup for them, too.
20:54And, well, that went seven.
20:55It did.
20:56And, you know, sometimes the mechanics of these things can change in the series.
21:00Like, it got really hard.
21:02It got really hard out there.
21:03I mean, also, Toronto was pretty clear that they knew they were out talented, so
21:07they were just going to foul, right, and make the officials call it.
21:12Well, and also, the book on the Cavs is they don't like physicality.
21:15And so, Toronto tried to dial up the physicality.
21:19But look at how many first-quarter fouls that they committed.
21:21That was clearly their goal was, all right, we're going to put the onus on the officials.
21:26But they came out hacking yesterday.
21:28Like, Reggie Miller kept talking about the disparity in the free throws in the first half.
21:31I'm like, yeah, these are all fouls.
21:33Like, at no point do I – he called a couple of them ticky-tack.
21:37I'm like, yeah, when you foul a guy on the forearm when he's shooting, that tends to be a foul.
21:41And then on the other end, Reggie, there was one where James Harden, did he get Scotty by the fingertip?
21:49Yeah.
21:49And he goes, yeah, there was ball, but there were a lot of fingers.
21:52I'm like, there was one finger.
21:53How many fingers do you think he had?
21:55I've got ten currently.
21:57Yeah.
21:57You had one of the ten.
21:58Well, on the flagrant that they called, it was like three fingers.
22:03It was outrageous.
22:06They reviewed it, and it still came up with a flagrant on it.
22:10I thought it was insane.
22:12By the way, the flagrant luck to go against the Cavs yesterday.
22:15All three of them went against them.
22:16They've got to do something about these reviews.
22:18It's getting out of control.
22:19That was almost a three-hour basketball game last night.
22:21It was, yeah, and you'll see a lot of these playoff games will go 245.
22:24This was 244 officially.
22:26But it felt like it was like 315.
22:28It's your sport, Lima.
22:30I have a lot of ideas.
22:32I have a lot of ideas about, you know, what has transpired in this game.
22:35I do think it's downright impossible.
22:40To officiate with player movement, but at the same time, there's going to be contact.
22:45Like, you're not, there's no expectation that there's no contact,
22:48as in drivers would just get to the basket.
22:50You could call a foul on every possession.
22:52Yeah, you could.
22:52On both ends of the floor.
22:54And then, by the way, the block charge thing, it's never as clean as people.
22:57That's clearly a block.
22:59Clearly a charge.
22:59It's like, well, I don't know.
23:00Defensive player's in a pretty good position.
23:02Offensive player has got his right to freedom of movement.
23:05There were a couple of those last time.
23:08Well, we got the charge calls.
23:09The Max Strews drawing of the charges.
23:11Yeah.
23:11Like, I am no fan of the Duke charge.
23:13But if they are calling it, then shout out to Max Strews for taking advantage.
23:18There were a couple calls, and I was like,
23:20defensive position was not established on that play at all.
23:24Joe in Cleveland.
23:25You buying in, Joe?
23:27Hey, Anthony, Daryl.
23:29Hey, I want to give Owen a high five for running that one guy saying the Cavs are horrible.
23:34But, hey, am I buying in?
23:35You know what?
23:36You have to be determined.
23:38All year long, we've been talking about the Cavs getting to the second round and winning, right?
23:42I think we would all agree the first round, we figured they win.
23:45It was a little tougher than we thought, but they got through that, which was kind of expected.
23:49Now we're where we need to be.
23:51We're in the second round.
23:53We get through the second round.
23:55And then I think the buy-in starts once we get to the Eastern Conference Finals.
23:59So, right now, I think it's yet to be determined.
24:02Who are you picking in this series?
24:04Pardon me?
24:05Who are you picking in this series?
24:07I got to go with the Cavs.
24:08Just have to right now.
24:10I like the Bickerstaff matchup with Atkinson.
24:13I think that's going to be really interesting.
24:15Really interesting.
24:16And the narrative during the series is going to be interesting as well.
24:19I don't know that the Cavs had much of a coaching advantage in this series.
24:23That they just won.
24:24Yeah, honestly, I agree with Daryl.
24:26I have to say it.
24:27Kenny left a lot to be desired.
24:30Joe, sorry.
24:30I got to move on.
24:31Thanks for the call.
24:31The challenges thing is obvious.
24:34You just can't, in playoff games, burn a challenge in the first half unless it's to keep your superstar on
24:38the floor.
24:38It's the only way that I can see that.
24:41The lineups, the rotations, just a little bizarre at times.
24:43Girl, I think it was bizarre because the stuff wasn't working.
24:48So you have to keep trying to try to figure stuff out.
24:51I thought they went back to their base starting five at the end of game six and had the nice
24:57fourth quarter where you outscored them 23-12.
24:59But then again, Dean Wade was not very helpful yesterday.
25:02So you have to be willing to move.
25:05Your season's on the line.
25:06And Max Struess finally had some good minutes.
25:09He had good minutes at the start of the series and then was nonexistent until the end of the series.
25:15And that's kind of how these things tend to go when it comes to role players.
25:18An underrated positive for the Cavaliers last night.
25:21They didn't have anyone having to play more than 37 minutes.
25:26And they're healthy.
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