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00:00two maybe with us now on the western hotline sal capaccio i missed yesterday uh you guys did some
00:07draft recapping i'm sure a day later sal is any um any new kind of revelation or big picture
00:15thoughts on how the bills did no i wouldn't say anything on the bill how the bills did i just
00:20think the more i kind of sit with it and look back on it i think bulldog and i talked
00:24about
00:24this yesterday which is i think it's apparent that their own actions are intentional about the
00:31defensive line right like i think there's this this feeling amongst the fan base and media maybe of
00:37well i can't believe they just missed out on a defensive tackle a big nose guard you know and
00:42what a miss that is well i don't think it's a miss to them like to them it's well this
00:47was intentional
00:47they they didn't want a guy like that that he was sitting right there caden mcdonald if they wanted
00:51them there were other guys too they went the whole draft and towards the end they took an undersized
00:55defensive tackle and then brandon bean goes on with jeremy yesterday morning and says if we rolled
01:00the ball out right now deon walker would be our nose guard but maybe he's better as a four eye
01:04that's
01:04inside shoulder the uh tackle by the way so like like down the line so like it's intentional what
01:10they're doing i i want to see it like what does this look like right without having that guy it's
01:16fair
01:16it's fair to wonder but it's not because they they didn't know and just whiffed it's because they
01:23did it intentionally yeah what walker fits the profile right he might even be yeah too tall for
01:30a nose tag yeah that might sound insane but like you know think of nose tag like 6'3 320
01:35is what i'm
01:37thinking maybe even bigger than that maybe 6'4 360 if you want to get like ted washington through the
01:42door right literally and figuratively um and walker's like what is he 6'7 66 like he's a it's
01:49340 he's a big dude the thought is right you we did talk about this yesterday like he might be
01:55more
01:55valuable playing another position that utilizes his athleticism more right i mean you think of a
02:02guy that's going to just anchor and you might be neutralizing some of what walker can do for you
02:09by using him that way right yeah i agree and i think that's kind of the thought of it's my
02:15thought
02:15too like i want him and i've used this example a million times but i'll do it again just because
02:19to me it's relevant which is when you watch a basketball game and you have a point guard but
02:25you're really not that good at the position so you take your shooting guard who's really good at that
02:28position but you make him a point guard because he can do it it's not his best attribute but he
02:32can do
02:33it well now you you're kind of you're lesser at two spots because you just took your really good
02:38shooting guard you made him a point guard and yeah it's okay but he's not a true point guard so
02:42like that's the way i think about it but look it remains to be seen like let's see what it
02:48looks
02:48like and also as i will be the first to tell many people this defense doesn't require necessarily a
02:54true nose guard in the ted washington sense we've been saying it over and over again it's a hybrid
02:59defense it's not a guy that lines up directly over the center all the time you might get that once
03:03in a
03:03while it's really just a lot of moving parts and you know i think just i think we have to
03:07all be a
03:07little bit patient here and let's see what the defense looks like and figure out how they're
03:12trying to do it because clearly this is their plan and and they're doing this intentionally
03:17sal what um have you thought of whatever time you spent on the outside consensus on how the bills did
03:27whether that's doesn't have to be national media but do you think they got enough credit too much
03:32what what was your assessment of how they've been sort of graded here and how accurate do you think
03:38that is i think pretty fairly uh the the national assessment kind of goes in line with what my
03:43assessment was immediately after the draft i wrote about my article at wgr550.com called it the upside
03:49down draft i thought it was kind of in reverse order of what you normally do or upside down which
03:52is
03:52normally you get guys that you think are going to be okay impact player starter comes right on the
03:57field and plays right away first round second round maybe third and then as the draft goes on you're
04:02like yeah depth pieces maybe you'll make the roster it almost feels like they did it in reverse and that
04:07doesn't have to be intentional in that it's just it's just the way the draft fell with the positions
04:11they needed and where the depth was at the draft so they get guys early like tj parker who he's
04:17not
04:17going to start over bradley chubb or greg rousseau but he's going to play he's going to be a part
04:21of the
04:21rotation and then you get um the cornerback same thing igb like you have two starters ahead of him
04:28sure could he compete yeah but no one expects him right now to be a starter but he'll be on
04:32the team and then later you're like wait a minute skylar skylar bell could play like he might be a
04:35starter uh jalen kilgore could play he could actually be a guy on the field a lot so i read
04:41that and when
04:42i read the national pundits a lot of what i read is boy they crushed day three and i think
04:47that's
04:47that's for that reason which is boy they got guys who can play for them on day three and then
04:52you get a
04:52a b or a b minus or something because maybe they didn't like their first couple of picks but i
04:57think
04:58that's kind of the overall assessment of this draft for them yeah i mean some of those guys i think
05:03kilgore might be the one who i think maybe most notably there there were some big names in the
05:08in the draft community i think lance derlein is one who had maybe a second round grade on him
05:15um so that i i think that that when when fans read that i think you go oh well that's
05:20great value then
05:21like that you know if they had drafted him in the second round we might be talking about him starting
05:25next to cole bishop you know even with what they did at safety but instead you've got a guy that
05:31might be more you know kind of fit him in different roles here which um like i'm excited
05:36about i'm always into i'm a sucker for the positionless guy i guess i should just say it
05:40like i i love the idea of a guy that well is he a small linebacker is he a big
05:46safety what like
05:47and this kilgore feels very much like that to me yeah i i agree with that he um
05:54he's gonna play in the middle of the field somewhere and maybe maybe they're gonna start
05:58him at safety he's a safety that's what he is but he can play nickel he can play big nickel
06:02he's not
06:02a nickel in the sense of a terran johnson nickel i mean really the guy they got late in the
06:06draft
06:06uh is more for that that uh uh pride and uh toriano pride the cornerback he's actually more of a
06:12maybe
06:13what what kind of screams uh an extra nickel at his size five foot ten uh this guy kilgore i
06:20mean
06:20he's gonna be able to cover tight ends he's gonna be able to play against the run so i'm
06:25interested and intrigued by how they use them and i just think about you just got to listen to what
06:30they say sometimes and they give you more i know coaches don't give you a lot but if you really
06:35pay
06:35attention you can kind of get clues and what jim leonard said to us in his introductory press
06:39conference was that he likes having guys who don't fit in a box this is literally out of the playbook
06:44of a guy who doesn't fit in the box and the poster child for it not to say that picks
06:50aren't good
06:50picks versus bad but a lot of that the way the draft set up for them to get credit for
06:56day three
06:57is a function of two things it's the kind of draft year that it was where it seemed to so
07:03many so flat
07:04if not just bad after like pick 20 or something that it would make sense positional needs there'd be
07:11some value that would bleed into the third day you know so secondly the bills had picks you know
07:17plentiful amount of picks on the third day right you know like the some often the teams that get
07:22a's are the teams like dallas and the giants who have two firsts and it's kind of hard to mess
07:26that
07:26up the rams took a chance at that well the rams traded their other first anyway but you know like
07:32the bills were set up this year for what it looked like it was and their willingness to push back
07:39which i think kind of we all thought made sense uh equals well you should avail yourself to some
07:47good value in round four and that's what happened yeah i i think the draft is about value that's what
07:54it is i mean you know we all know mike you know you play a lot of fantasy football it's
07:58the same thing
07:58right there's no difference there the draft is about value yes you want to get the best players
08:03you also want to get them at the most valuable spots where you can meaning you don't want to take
08:08a
08:08look i mean jeremy did a great job yesterday to ask brandon bean about this debate that's going on
08:13if you guys have seen it there's a debate in the draft community online about the consensus board
08:18it's called right which is we all know like there's a reason why the same 30 i don't know 40
08:24guys are
08:24mock draft in the first round because everybody has this consensus of here's the consensus what
08:29might be the first round picks there's a consensus board uh jeremiah love is the top guy of course there's
08:34not the same board when you walk into the jets facility and the bills facility the titans facility
08:39that's not the point but jeremy asked brandon bean about that and i thought brandon gave the right
08:44answer which i would expect which is sure like there's going to be a lot of crossover between a
08:50lot of teams the way you evaluate these guys as the draft goes on there's going to be some guys
08:55that
08:55some teams have graded as a third rounder you have great as a fifth rounder and if you take them
09:00in the
09:00third round maybe you know that seems like a reach to another team or whatever however you want to
09:05piece it together and yes the draft to me is about value you want to make sure you're not taking
09:11people
09:11at a spot where you probably could have got them a lot later but what is the difference there when
09:18you're talking about you're not picking again for 30 something picks and if you don't get that guy now
09:22and there's a drop off at the position you have to change your value maybe on what you think about
09:25him well speaking of jeremy we talked on friday about how he's been pushing back against the
09:32the trade down uh the cacophony the the chorus of people that think trade down is the way and that's
09:39i mean that's me um just because the math likes it but on friday morning he was saying well all
09:46the
09:46picks the bills have going into the second day of the draft by a points chart are the equivalent of
09:52the 15th pick of the first round so which would you rather have and i would always rather have the
09:58nine guys because i could get an injury or just you know some guys bust this way i've got that
10:04many
10:04more chances but his point is applicable now which is for all that we might like and feel like good
10:11value kilgore and bell these other guys i need a good player or two like not not just good value
10:17but i
10:18need somebody you know a couple guys here three or more ideally that could actually be difference
10:24makers in the nfl and when you're picking them on saturday i mean that's still a tough bet
10:30this could go back to the discussion that you kind of don't like mike which is
10:36um first round grades right how many guys have first round grades in in a lot of years every year
10:42is different when it comes to this discussion i felt for two months every time i came out with
10:47you guys i would say trade down like this is the year you need to trade down and i don't
10:52think it's
10:52ever really necessarily a bad idea anyway it was especially true this year you're picking at 26
10:58there's just not 26 players that have the talent that you would normally put on a first round type of
11:05tier and that's why you have first round grades and i know there's 32 picks but that's why you have
11:12to measure them against other guys historically and where they fall and next year is supposed to be
11:18a really good draft at the top of the draft much better than this year there was an article about
11:22that today next year the 15th best player in the draft is generally going to be considered way better
11:29than the 15th best player in this year's draft so i do think that there's a sliding scale each year
11:34yeah i mean that makes perfect sense to me i mean i like anyone else would have wanted
11:38a difference making player but if the store is sold out by the time i get there i mean i
11:44don't
11:44know what am i supposed to do like i think that and that's probably how you know this talking about
11:50the consensus board and every team is different that's how the bills probably found three trade
11:55partners you know different gms different organizations are on different timelines there's
11:59different pressure points and you know who knows maybe ownership is like yeah i i want this player
12:05i want that play like okay fine i'll give the bills a fourth to move up you know three spots
12:10over here
12:10so i can draft a guy to satisfy you know whatever it is you know my my owner my owner's
12:16son who knows
12:16um whereas the bills for better or worse have they just they just doubled down on brandon bean i mean
12:23they promoted him and i think there there should be urgency to win of course keep winning and go farther
12:31than they've gone but like i said if the store is sold out the store is sold out i might
12:36as well get coupons
12:37for later if that's all that's available which is kind of what they ended up doing or really exactly
12:42what they ended up doing um yeah you you know it it's reading as a bad draft if i'm talking
12:48about
12:48trading down for weeks which i was and i'm i'm i've never been i understand the logic of it of
12:55course but i'm i'm never one who gets mad like if they like this guy they want to give up
12:59a fourth to
13:00go get dalton kincaid go go do it you just better be right you know um and in this case
13:06i think the
13:06opposite was called for so um yeah you know the the thing about the the grading is that i think
13:14the
13:15that community is predisposed to compliment you if you trade down like that's enough no matter what
13:21get in good with them and that's not exactly all of it of course you've got to still find some
13:27some
13:28players that can help you that's the job it gets harder of course on saturday to do that but yeah
13:33i
13:33wouldn't want to go overboard applauding them for trading down i think it was called for but now you
13:39got to see if you found any guys that can help you first of all nice uh little subtle shot
13:45at
13:45woody johnson's and his ownership there owner son i i i caught that i don't know if that was
13:51intentional or not maybe all right well it was thank you number two did you guys hear that on this
13:57note um did you hear the quote from brandon both to us on saturday and again to jeremy
14:04they had an opportunity to go from 26 all the way back to the second round he declined that
14:10opportunity that was a trade he could have made he said he wanted instead to go down to 28 and
14:17then
14:18at 28 to 31 obviously also saturday he told us there was a lot of interest in 26 there wasn't
14:25a lot
14:25of interest in 28 we know now that was the new england patriots at 31 they came up and then
14:29there was a
14:30lot of interest in 31 again i think that's fascinating he we can look back in this draft
14:35and take that quote and say if he was he right or wrong he could have taken whatever we don't
14:40know
14:40the value right but we could assume it was less picks i guess i don't know or a far um
14:44i guess we
14:45could try and do the math however it would work but he did not take one simple trade from 26
14:50to the
14:50second round and he said it was there and they thought about it but instead they wanted to go down
14:54just a
14:55couple spots and see what was available and then they did it again and then they did it again
14:58let's talk about skylar bell yeah so i was watching the bleacher report stream when he got
15:06picked trevor sykema and connor rogers both of whom have been on with us a lot i liked what i
15:12got by
15:12the way from that show which is the only stuff that i want from the draft the picks and analysis
15:17no
15:18it's the international fan of the year screaming at me and i don't care because i don't root for that
15:22one team for example just oh so great to have those guys do that i thought they were excellent
15:28and they went hours without a break too by the way which we i mean we don't even do that
15:33that's
15:33intimidating so they they both liked skylar bell a lot in a vacuum what i've read from sigmund and from
15:41you know just a little i guess whatever else is out there is it might be too much of an
15:47overlap with
15:47shakir in terms of style um do you see that do you see him playing a different role than shakir
15:55where they can both be of value or is bell gonna bump against bump up against shakir
16:01they are very like similar in that way they're not the biggest guys they can run they're not
16:07incredibly blazing speed but they can run um i see him as an outside guy and shakir as a slot
16:13guy
16:13though i think he is better on the outside um the things that he does i think the athletic profile
16:19he fits better on the outside than shakir does and i think shakir fits better on the inside than he
16:23does so i don't see it butting up when it comes to personnel on the field what i do find
16:28interesting
16:28though is to say and i asked jeremy this this morning what he thought if the bills rolled out
16:33right now the ball they went 11 personnel that's three receivers in the field who are the three
16:37receivers and i would think you know we know more in shakir who's the next one is it palmer is
16:41it
16:42coleman i would put bell third in the pecking order but i think he has every opportunity to
16:45be the next guy he'll have every opportunity but i think it's that next outside guy who is that
16:49because i think dj more is going to be outside shakir's in the slot and then you're going to
16:53have kind of a battle on what you want and that could come down to running the ball or kind
16:57of just
16:58what play you're calling i do think they're similar stylistically mike i think they're similar
17:02body profile but i think that skylar bell is a better outside receiver on a you know on an overall
17:09macro level than shakir would be and i think shakir would be a better slot receiver boy palmer we we
17:15never really talk about him anymore like coleman anytime we want and even in that interview it's
17:21like oh shot down rumors or whatever of like calls for coleman right like anything involving coleman is a
17:28story palmer was a pretty good investment and injuries i mean there's always that but are they just
17:34going to be done with him or no i mean palmer's my guest to your question because they did pay
17:41him
17:41pretty good and if he's not hurt he should come in at or near the top of that list but
17:47i don't know i
17:47never thought he was a great a great buy in the first place and he didn't give you anything really
17:52so i wonder if they have in the same way that they even talk about coleman and like how the
17:59situation
17:59has changed for them the way they look at it whether that's true of palmer as well i'm gonna
18:04bet by october bell is is the answer to that question who are those three guys yeah and i would
18:11leave that door open i think palmer palmer palmer's history ah this isn't fair to say i just feel like
18:18the opportunity to get on the field and place him because he twists an ankle or something is gonna it
18:23just it just it's how last year went and coleman i mean i i just if bell can't show up
18:29here and
18:30outperform coleman to the point where he leapfrogs him on the depth chart in the first week of training
18:35camp that'll blow my mind like unless coleman does what you know what is called for which is breaks the
18:42door down like i think they've done at least i think bell's a respectable enough idea that they're not
18:48they're not looking like they're counting on coleman they can talk about resetting that uh and
18:53starting over and anything they want and if he shows up like just you know in the best shape you've
19:00ever seen and is just you know the first guy in and the last guy out and all the stuff
19:05that he hasn't
19:06been so far and earns his way onto the field great but man i would bet right now on bell
19:12being on the
19:13field by halloween at the latest like as a as a number one like you know in that first group
19:19of
19:19three receivers on the field i i wouldn't bet against it i i think it's gonna be interesting
19:24okay first of all on palmer i really think brandon bean likes josh palmer and wants it to work out
19:29you
19:29know i think you know that was his guy and with everything happened last year with wide receivers
19:33you know they went out and got that guy and he was like well you know we signed josh palmer
19:36and i think
19:37they believe that he was healthy and that that would have been a bit of a he he would have
19:40made a
19:41bigger difference and played more and that even that game in atlanta when they targeted him right
19:46away and then he wound up getting hurt and he tried coming back i think you know they felt it
19:49wasn't
19:49like for lack of trying he wanted to it just didn't work out um it is interesting to me we've
19:54brought
19:54this up bell is older than keon coleman by a year i mean he's played he played five years of
19:59college
20:00football you i know that keon coleman's been in the nfl you could make the argument that you know bell
20:05is more seasons sort of as a wide receiver and and i think that's a super interesting
20:10dynamic here when they go to training camp together yeah bell is 23 blade for wisconsin
20:17and then yukon five years uh total all right sal you're going to be in here later i'll be there
20:24can't wait bring in a max gonna be fun okay we'll look for you on the scoreboard i'll look for
20:30you
20:31guys at the red line okay deal sounds good all right sal thank you
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