Stefano Nazzi racconta l'omicidio del piccolo Lorys, avvenuto il 29 novembre 2014 a Santa Croce Camerina, in provincia di Ragusa. La madre del bambino, Veronica Panarello, diviene presto l'unica imputata del delitto.
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|S1E1| Il Caso Melania Rea
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|S1E2| Il Caso Lorys Stival
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|S1E3| Il Caso Carretta
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|S2E1| Il Caso Vannini
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|S2E2| Il Caso Delfino
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00:00:14And now I'll do it to you?
00:00:16No!
00:00:17Yes!
00:00:27Bearing the surname Panarello is heavy, very heavy, it is heavy for my children too.
00:00:39that don't bear my last name.
00:00:49And I always tell my children to keep their heads held high because I have never done anything.
00:00:55And they have a mother beside them who will lead them to become meadows.
00:01:09Bearing the surname Panarello is the worst thing that has happened since all this happened.
00:01:46Bearing the surname Panarello is the worst thing that has happened since all this happened.
00:01:47we consider them more inconceivable than others, unthinkable elites, we perceive them as unnatural.
00:01:56These are the cases of parents, of mothers, who kill their children.
00:02:04It also happened in Santa Croce Camerina in 2014. A mother killed her own son and from a distance
00:02:119 years old, still today, has not answered one of the first questions the investigator asked her
00:02:16and that it was done to her many more times. Why did she do it?
00:02:31This story begins on November 29, 2014 in a small Sicilian town, with little more than
00:02:37of 10,000 inhabitants in the province of Ragusa, Santa Croce Camrina. A young woman lives in the village
00:02:44couple, Davide Stival, 29, truck driver. His wife, Veronica Panarello, 26.
00:02:52She takes care of the house and the children. Then there are the two children, Diego and Loris. Loris is 8 years old,
00:02:59He's in third grade. That day, Saturday, he should be at school, but the exit
00:03:06he's not there in the afternoon.
00:03:10Police Operator 1.
00:03:12Hello, listen, I have a missing child here in Santa Croce, Camerina.
00:03:17Who are you?
00:03:18I'm a friend. We're all here looking for the child who didn't come to school today.
00:03:23Mom arrived, went out and didn't find him.
00:03:25Madam, please wait a moment while we pass you by.
00:03:41Mom arrived, the phone call came from the correspondent in Santa Croce to say
00:03:57that a child had been lost.
00:04:11I'd finished cleaning the house. I leaned over, my phone on the table, and I opened Facebook.
00:04:21I'm looking at my phone like this because I'm reading the link below.
00:04:27I met him right away when he was my nephew, who had disappeared.
00:04:36My first thing, a scream that my partner who was in the bathroom came into the kitchen immediately.
00:04:42I said, look, it's Loris.
00:04:44Yes, it's Loris.
00:04:49I call my mom, she answers calmly.
00:04:52At that moment the police station rings at my mother's house.
00:04:58And madam, unfortunately we have to do the search, we have to see.
00:05:02Because Veronica had said that my mother had taken the child.
00:05:05And my mom never had Loris at her house.
00:05:14An exit towards Santa Croce Camrina for the well-known 011 service.
00:05:22I headed the mobile squad of the Ragusa police headquarters.
00:05:26A coordinated research plan is activated for procedures that are obviously standardized throughout Italy.
00:05:35I started participating in civil protection, obviously all the police forces, the firefighters.
00:05:43But obviously the citizens of Santa Croce Camrina also immediately started looking for this child.
00:05:55It was unimaginable that such a small child could wander too far.
00:06:00Or he had been taken by someone and that was the biggest fear.
00:06:06Or that the child had gone away for some mischief.
00:06:09Which was what we were all basically hoping for.
00:06:14Santa Croce is small, we even thought we would find it immediately.
00:06:19Then terrible things don't happen here.
00:06:22So this country began to shout Loris.
00:06:30An eight-year-old boy disappeared in Santa Croce Camerina, Ragusa.
00:06:34His name is Loris Stival.
00:06:36The mother of the five-year-old boy is in shock.
00:06:39The father, a truck driver who works in Rome, has been notified and is returning home.
00:06:43Yes, I was in Orte in a restaurant.
00:06:47The police called me and told me that my son Loris had disappeared and he was not found at the exit.
00:06:54school.
00:06:55From there I set off towards home because I immediately became alarmed.
00:07:05Davide told me about that day.
00:07:07He is contacted by Veronica who asks him when he will return, as the child is missing.
00:07:11He is then contacted by his employers who tell him to converge on the nearest port
00:07:17because he may have to return and leave the vehicle.
00:07:21So he arrives in Naples and there are these hectic hours.
00:07:27However, you can imagine the pain this father must have experienced.
00:07:42In the afternoon the searches continued and in that case a patrol car was passing by
00:07:48from a very secluded area compared to the city centre.
00:07:54Precisely to observe a place in the territory that is not common to everyone and not known to everyone.
00:08:00Then they came across this man who caught their attention and was on the phone
00:08:05just to warn the police because he had found it a few moments before
00:08:10the little body of little Loris.
00:08:24An eight-year-old boy who disappeared in Santa Croce Camerina in the Lugiano area was found dead this afternoon in the countryside.
00:08:43Eight-year-old Lugiano disappeared in Santa Croce Camerina in Lugiano and their attention was found.
00:09:23It was an absolutely impervious terrain immediately faced by these reeds which initially
00:09:31it also created a few problems precisely during the access phase to the place where the little boy's body was located
00:09:36Loris.
00:09:40The peculiarity of the body was that it looked as if it had been laid there.
00:09:45He was fully dressed and had a jacket and also a hood covering his head.
00:09:57He had his face turned to one side and one on his left leg, let's say, on his right leg
00:10:05like a completely natural position of a sleeping baby.
00:10:19The magistrate leading the investigation on site is the coroner and the head of the Ragusa Flying Squad.
00:10:24At a very initial examination by the investigators who intervened on site
00:10:28the little body showed no obvious signs of being hit
00:10:31but there are several fractures and bruises that need to be carefully examined
00:10:34and which will reveal whether it was an accidental death
00:10:37or whether behind this tragedy lies the terrible shadow of a murderer.
00:10:43Loris had some marks, not many actually, some marks, one of which was definitely due to the fall.
00:10:50So there was a wound there, if I'm not mistaken it was at the level of the eyebrow or at least of the face.
00:10:57There was an excorietive mark that we found on the back of the back
00:11:01in limine vite, that is, it was vital but up to a certain point
00:11:05that means the body got there when it was, it was almost dead basically
00:11:11and so it will also be verified for the lesions that will be detected inside the skull
00:11:17so all from a fall but all without signs of real vitality.
00:11:23This is for the accessory signs of a traumatic but non-lethal nature
00:11:29and the lethal marks were on their necks.
00:11:45The optical examination initially tells us that he most likely died from strangulation.
00:11:52and there obviously from an investigative point of view we still understood
00:11:58that we no longer had an accidental death
00:12:01but we had a death from a clearly malicious event
00:12:05and that it was a murder.
00:12:13The entire Stival family was locked up for hours at the Ragusa police station.
00:12:17heard by the head of the flying squad.
00:12:19When it comes to the murder of a child, the family is obviously the first person you should investigate.
00:12:32Go away!
00:12:34Leave me alone with my pain!
00:12:37Leave me alone, please!
00:12:39Go away!
00:12:41The mother couldn't even speak at all.
00:12:44and he still had difficulty even reporting those little things that were important to us.
00:12:58At that moment, the father seemed to be absent.
00:13:03He was a very young boy
00:13:06totally overwhelmed by the pain of losing his son.
00:13:12But mom, I brought them to you too, my love!
00:13:17My love, I brought them to you too!
00:13:20One, two parents destroyed by grief
00:13:23and an absolutely destroyed family.
00:13:29Veronica and Davide meet in a pub
00:13:31November 1st,
00:13:33Veronica's birthday.
00:13:39Veronica also worked in this pub
00:13:41and that day he celebrated his birthday
00:13:45and Davide entered that pub
00:13:50and he saw this beautiful girl.
00:13:55He told me that he was very impressed
00:13:58from the eyes of this girl.
00:14:02He told me he went for a walk
00:14:04go to a marina in Ragusa
00:14:05we stayed walking all night
00:14:07and, so to speak, chat in the car.
00:14:10With the candor and modesty of a boy for me
00:14:13he said that that time we stayed almost all night
00:14:15and we weren't even kissing.
00:14:20The moment they were dating Davide
00:14:23Veronica makes a request to my mom
00:14:27I can go out with the truck with Davide
00:14:30he was not yet of age
00:14:31and my mom told him no
00:14:34and Veronica got her things from there
00:14:36and she left.
00:14:38Veronica goes to live at Davide's house
00:14:43They went to his parents' house
00:14:47they arranged a room
00:14:49and turned it into their master bedroom
00:14:52let's call it that.
00:14:55My sister Veronica
00:14:57then she gets pregnant with Loris
00:15:02Davide told me about Loris
00:15:04in a way that I could make a resemblance to it.
00:15:08a teciturn child
00:15:11he's a child but in the same serene way
00:15:14he is also very happy about the arrival of the little one
00:15:17of the second genius, of the little brother.
00:15:22It was a happy family
00:15:24for which apparently there were no reasons
00:15:27so that such a terrible event could occur.
00:15:41David, but I remember
00:15:43that a week ago
00:15:44when they took me to the restaurant
00:15:46four little girls passed by
00:15:50a little one
00:15:51and two little ones
00:15:52and they started to insult
00:15:54but I look
00:15:55they told us
00:15:56you're a dirty Italian
00:15:58shitty Tunisian
00:15:59and they spat on us
00:16:00but I look
00:16:01During the early investigative stages
00:16:03when Veronica Panarello
00:16:06he was not, let's say, absent in some way
00:16:09because he had this constant feeling of unease
00:16:11he had moments of lucidity
00:16:14where on that occasion
00:16:16she called her husband Davide
00:16:17with suspicions.
00:16:21There were four of them
00:16:22one smaller and three larger ones
00:16:24I remembered this
00:16:26I remembered
00:16:28one small one and three larger ones
00:16:31but I'm alive
00:16:33in regeneration
00:16:34in regeneration
00:16:35why do you say
00:16:37When she speaks
00:16:39Tunisians with their husbands
00:16:40she knows she is being intercepted
00:16:42Veronica knows everyone
00:16:43these mechanisms
00:16:45she is a
00:16:47TV viewer
00:16:48avid broadcaster
00:16:50as those who have seen it
00:16:50she follows them
00:16:51Mother Veronica
00:16:53desperate
00:16:53he shouted all his anger
00:16:55from the balcony
00:16:56Go away everyone and away
00:16:58You all have to go away
00:17:01It's a behavior
00:17:03that David attributed
00:17:04to the pain
00:17:05for the loss of his son
00:17:06which is one thing
00:17:08that I think of any mother
00:17:09would obviously have
00:17:11caused the same effect
00:17:14Only Veronica
00:17:16he tells him two things
00:17:17that to him
00:17:17they let it be done
00:17:19First he tells him
00:17:20to have another child
00:17:21immediately
00:17:22to replace the child
00:17:24Then
00:17:25he asks him to leave
00:17:27to take a trip
00:17:27I have to go on a cruise
00:17:32It just gives you the shivers
00:17:33to think about it
00:17:34with your son
00:17:35You don't think about anything
00:17:37at that moment
00:17:39You don't think
00:17:41to go on vacation
00:18:00The investigations
00:18:01they do not exclude
00:18:02no chance
00:18:04Veronica Panarello
00:18:05he says he accompanied
00:18:06the son at school
00:18:07and then someone
00:18:09he must have taken it
00:18:09and taken to the Canalone
00:18:11where it was found
00:18:12Loris though
00:18:14says those who know him well
00:18:15he is a distrustful child
00:18:17would never have followed
00:18:19someone he doesn't know
00:18:20he would never have trusted
00:18:28In Santa Croce
00:18:30of Camerina
00:18:31there is Elena De Vincenzo
00:18:33Elena
00:18:34what's new
00:18:36can you tell us from there?
00:18:37So many
00:18:38they keep repeating
00:18:39we are not a country
00:18:39omertÃ
00:18:40if no one
00:18:41he saw
00:18:42Andrea Loris
00:18:43it's because
00:18:43we don't have it
00:18:44really seen
00:18:47They have passed
00:18:48a few days
00:18:49from the discovery
00:18:49of little Loris
00:18:50and then a group of teachers
00:18:51a couple of teachers
00:18:52they go to Veronica Panarello
00:18:55they go to the family
00:18:56to offer condolences
00:19:00and at that moment
00:19:01Veronica does something
00:19:02that no one expects
00:19:04and I was there
00:19:08she on the sofa
00:19:09surrounded by her aunt
00:19:12from his sister-in-law
00:19:13from people
00:19:14who love her
00:19:15at a certain point
00:19:17looking at the teachers
00:19:19they come to mind
00:19:20these cable ties
00:19:24Loris
00:19:24he had asked me
00:19:25for a job
00:19:26to do in class
00:19:28the teachers
00:19:29immediately
00:19:31they understand
00:19:31what's there
00:19:32something strange
00:19:33in all this
00:19:34we shouldn't have done it
00:19:35no experiments
00:19:36and this is the speech
00:19:38it's that we were amazed
00:19:39why the school
00:19:40he had not requested
00:19:41none of these things
00:19:42Therefore
00:19:42they turn to you immediately
00:19:44to the police
00:19:46and when I receive
00:19:48the phone call
00:19:49I connect
00:19:50to the word
00:19:52cable ties
00:19:52the images
00:19:53that I had seen
00:19:54during the inspection
00:19:56cadaverous
00:19:56on the neck
00:19:57of little Loris
00:20:02I saw the cable ties
00:20:04and clearly
00:20:05then in short
00:20:05there the thing
00:20:06it was enough
00:20:07let's say
00:20:07clear
00:20:12the band
00:20:13it's done
00:20:14from a surface
00:20:15on one side
00:20:15completely smooth
00:20:16on the other
00:20:17the surface
00:20:18it is instead knurled
00:20:19these knurlings
00:20:21once
00:20:22that come in
00:20:23inside this device
00:20:24they find a kind
00:20:25of step
00:20:26that in traction
00:20:27is exceeded
00:20:28in reverse
00:20:30No
00:20:30very simple
00:20:32so once
00:20:33that I
00:20:33I fix these cable ties
00:20:37the only way
00:20:38to remove
00:20:38is to cut them
00:20:41it's clear
00:20:42that once
00:20:43that I
00:20:43I have an object
00:20:45under seizure
00:20:45once
00:20:46that I
00:20:47I characterized
00:20:48the injuries
00:20:49it's clear
00:20:49that I have the compatibility
00:20:50with cable ties
00:20:51because there is
00:20:51a correspondence
00:20:54total
00:20:55between these bands
00:20:58and those injuries
00:20:59on the neck
00:21:02I
00:21:02at that moment
00:21:04I remember well
00:21:05a huge emotion
00:21:07in having received
00:21:09Anyway
00:21:09as if
00:21:10I had received
00:21:11the news
00:21:11and the delivery
00:21:12of the murder weapon
00:21:22then we have
00:21:23reconnected
00:21:24men too
00:21:25of the scientific
00:21:25what they did
00:21:26the inspection
00:21:26and we started
00:21:27to remember
00:21:28that there were
00:21:29many cable ties
00:21:30at home
00:21:34some cable ties
00:21:35cable tie
00:21:36used
00:21:37to tie
00:21:37some toys
00:21:38some cable ties
00:21:38cable tie
00:21:39to ensure
00:21:41for example
00:21:42a part
00:21:43of a cot
00:21:44for children
00:21:46in case
00:21:47the bed
00:21:47of the child
00:21:48smaller
00:21:48some cable ties
00:21:50Always
00:21:50for some stuffed animals
00:21:51to cover
00:21:53those parts
00:21:53more angular
00:21:55and on the ground
00:21:57Still
00:21:57I remember well
00:21:58that there were
00:21:58some of these bands
00:22:00that had fallen
00:22:00and there
00:22:01we had
00:22:02started
00:22:03our investigations
00:22:04not excluding
00:22:06no other hypothesis
00:22:07but by concentrating
00:22:08about Veronica Panarello
00:22:14first let's hear
00:22:15the lawyer
00:22:16by Veronica
00:22:17the family
00:22:18Panarello
00:22:18I met her
00:22:19When
00:22:20Veronica
00:22:21and the sister
00:22:22Antonella
00:22:23they were still
00:22:24of the little girls
00:22:26and the character
00:22:27by Veronica
00:22:28the shots
00:22:28particularly
00:22:29because it was
00:22:30a little girl
00:22:31Very
00:22:32Very
00:22:32lively
00:22:33we can't
00:22:35absolutely
00:22:36to point out
00:22:37the lady
00:22:37Panarello
00:22:38as responsible
00:22:39Not at all
00:22:40at that moment
00:22:42things
00:22:43a bit
00:22:44they changed
00:22:44they changed
00:22:45and we understood it
00:22:46Well
00:22:47When
00:22:47the department
00:22:48scientific
00:22:49of the police
00:22:50of state
00:22:51on disposal
00:22:52from the public
00:22:53ministry
00:22:54decided
00:22:54to enter
00:22:56in
00:22:56that house
00:22:58a search
00:22:59That
00:22:59precisely
00:23:00the lawyer
00:23:01he did not define
00:23:01such
00:23:02but what
00:23:03Anyway
00:23:03it lasted
00:23:05about
00:23:05five hours
00:23:07they entered
00:23:08with the light
00:23:09in search
00:23:11Of
00:23:11DNA
00:23:12of blood
00:23:13of traces
00:23:14that they could
00:23:15supply
00:23:16some elements
00:23:18circumstantial evidence
00:23:19against
00:23:21Veronica Panarello
00:23:22probably
00:23:23Yes
00:23:23Why
00:23:23us
00:23:25we didn't know
00:23:26what was it
00:23:26the activity
00:23:27of investigation
00:23:28these images
00:23:29they tell us
00:23:30that much attention
00:23:31now she is concentrated
00:23:33in the environment
00:23:33family
00:23:34Veronica Panarello
00:23:36had given
00:23:36the version
00:23:37of that
00:23:38that she
00:23:38he was doing
00:23:39everyday
00:23:45he told us
00:23:47That
00:23:47leaving home
00:23:48he went to throw away
00:23:48the garbage
00:23:49Therefore
00:23:49in the direction
00:23:50opposite
00:23:51respect
00:23:52to schools
00:23:57the schools
00:23:58are located
00:23:59in an area
00:23:59high
00:24:00of the city
00:24:00While
00:24:01the garbage
00:24:02era
00:24:03Exactly
00:24:04in the direction
00:24:04then where
00:24:05the child
00:24:05was
00:24:05found
00:24:09Then
00:24:10she's back
00:24:11backwards
00:24:11for the story
00:24:12what he did
00:24:12he traveled
00:24:13all of Via Roma
00:24:14which is the way
00:24:14then main
00:24:15which crosses
00:24:16all obviously
00:24:16Holy Cross
00:24:17Camerina
00:24:17and continuing
00:24:19apparently
00:24:20almost without
00:24:20no deviation
00:24:22had arrived
00:24:23at school
00:24:30from there
00:24:31he had said
00:24:31of having done
00:24:32get the child off
00:24:33he remembered exactly
00:24:34where did he do it
00:24:35DESCEND
00:24:35that there was
00:24:36the traffic policeman
00:24:37who had it
00:24:38also greeted
00:24:39and then
00:24:40she's back
00:24:41backwards
00:24:42to accompany
00:24:43in the direction
00:24:44at home
00:24:45to accompany
00:24:46the other child
00:24:47the little one
00:24:47to then go
00:24:49to this course
00:24:50of cooking
00:24:50that he owed her
00:24:51frequent
00:24:51to Dona Lucata
00:24:54the other child
00:24:56he asked
00:24:56a help
00:24:57to those
00:24:58which they hold
00:24:58Images
00:24:59video surveillance
00:25:00for us
00:25:00it is essential
00:25:01crystallize
00:25:02every moment
00:25:03that first
00:25:04of death
00:25:05precisely
00:25:05of the child
00:25:06it happened
00:25:07on the territory
00:25:07of Santa Croce
00:25:08Camerina
00:25:12I remember well
00:25:13that already
00:25:14from the first moment
00:25:15I sent
00:25:16a team
00:25:17whole
00:25:18composed
00:25:18from over
00:25:1915 men
00:25:20to take care of
00:25:21to withdraw
00:25:21all the systems
00:25:22of video surveillance
00:25:23that they never have
00:25:24stopped doing it
00:25:25in the first 4-5 days
00:25:27just to avoid
00:25:28that they overwrote each other
00:25:29the images
00:25:29it's a race
00:25:30against time
00:25:31we couldn't allow it
00:25:32that some images
00:25:33came
00:25:33let's say lost
00:25:34but another team
00:25:36he started
00:25:36to elaborate
00:25:37all images
00:25:38of video surveillance
00:25:39of the plants
00:25:40public and private
00:25:41this is the first one
00:25:41camera
00:25:42that crosses
00:25:43the owners
00:25:43they explained to us
00:25:44what a Saturday morning
00:25:45he wasn't recording
00:25:46a little further ahead
00:25:47but
00:25:48there is another one
00:25:49and this electronic eye
00:25:51could tell something
00:25:52in those days
00:25:53all of us
00:25:54let's go hunting
00:25:56of the cameras
00:25:57of Santa Croce
00:25:58Camerina
00:25:59and we ask
00:26:00to everyone
00:26:01the traders
00:26:02to everyone
00:26:03the shops
00:26:04if
00:26:05from their cameras
00:26:07you can see
00:26:08something interesting
00:26:10and here it is
00:26:11another camera
00:26:12of a private business
00:26:14we continue on foot
00:26:15the path
00:26:15towards school
00:26:16and here it is
00:26:16another camera
00:26:18there were as many as 43
00:26:19let's say cameras
00:26:20Alone
00:26:21exclusively
00:26:21of the systems
00:26:22of video surveillance
00:26:23public type
00:26:24the images already
00:26:25the investigators
00:26:26to examine
00:26:27the fact
00:26:28but we
00:26:28we don't know
00:26:31we were doing
00:26:32the point
00:26:32of the situation
00:26:33it was two o'clock
00:26:34or three
00:26:34at night
00:26:34and I get the call
00:26:37of one of my inspectors
00:26:38and he tells me
00:26:39doctor, look,
00:26:40the path
00:26:41That's not it
00:26:41he tells me
00:26:42he turned
00:26:43left
00:26:44Via Roma
00:26:44it didn't go straight
00:26:45to accompany
00:26:46the child
00:26:46at school
00:26:54and then there
00:26:55at that moment
00:26:56I said
00:26:56but why then
00:26:57because he tells us
00:26:58that went straight
00:26:59when it turned
00:27:00left
00:27:09at that point
00:27:10I wanted
00:27:11in particular
00:27:12understand
00:27:13if he was lying
00:27:14or if he wasn't remembering
00:27:16obviously considered
00:27:18the trauma
00:27:19of the loss
00:27:20of the son
00:27:20then he said
00:27:22let's make him do it
00:27:23in the car
00:27:24let's do a reconstruction
00:27:26of what he did
00:27:27but let's resume the video
00:27:28All
00:27:29in such a way
00:27:29that we document
00:27:30my questions
00:27:31we document
00:27:32his narration
00:27:34and we document
00:27:35all the mistakes
00:27:36where she
00:27:36that she
00:27:36now he will commit
00:27:38and there
00:27:38she
00:27:39he said
00:27:40yes yes
00:27:41if we can do it
00:27:42I'm coming
00:27:42I'm coming
00:27:42I'm coming with you
00:27:43then we went together
00:27:49that day
00:27:51we understand
00:27:52that something is happening
00:27:56knowing that there
00:27:58there is
00:27:58Veronica Panarello
00:28:00who together with the police
00:28:01redo all the roads
00:28:04takes us
00:28:05more and more
00:28:06to think
00:28:07that something
00:28:07you're not coming back
00:28:08in the story
00:28:09in the version
00:28:10by Veronica Panarello
00:28:16then we said
00:28:17from here
00:28:20at every intersection
00:28:22I was telling her
00:28:22it's here
00:28:23what is it made of
00:28:25from here
00:28:26now you're gone
00:28:26to go up
00:28:27Right
00:28:29and then
00:28:30when I asked
00:28:31at the crossroads
00:28:31where she
00:28:32he turned
00:28:33left
00:28:33here
00:28:40it was that moment
00:28:42Where
00:28:42was
00:28:44very strong
00:28:45here
00:28:50on that occasion
00:28:52I had the certainty
00:28:53that she
00:28:54he was lying
00:28:55that he had a responsibility
00:28:57full
00:28:58on the murder
00:29:00of the child
00:29:11after we understand
00:29:12that didn't go well
00:29:13to accompany to school
00:29:14the child
00:29:15at that point
00:29:16let's start rebuilding
00:29:17step by step
00:29:18everything he did
00:29:19until
00:29:20we're coming
00:29:20to the images
00:29:21of a shop
00:29:22of household goods
00:29:23which is far away
00:29:26about 70 meters
00:29:27from the entrance
00:29:28of the house
00:29:30of little Loris
00:29:31where alas
00:29:33due to poor resolution
00:29:34of that camera
00:29:35we can't see
00:29:36clearly
00:29:37but let's see
00:29:38of the silhouettes
00:29:42him and the child
00:29:43smaller
00:29:44they were entering
00:29:45and they were entering him
00:29:46both in the car
00:29:47and at a certain point
00:29:49Loris
00:29:49go back
00:29:52obviously then
00:29:53disappears from the cameras
00:29:54Why
00:29:55come inside
00:29:56we don't see him anymore
00:30:11the lady
00:30:12Veronica
00:30:14continue to support
00:30:15despite the fact
00:30:16the cameras
00:30:17tell something different
00:30:18that she brought him here
00:30:19at school
00:30:21December 8th
00:30:23it's the watershed
00:30:24it's a day
00:30:25for whom
00:30:26he lived
00:30:27for those who followed
00:30:29this case
00:30:29unforgettable
00:30:32Why
00:30:33it is understood
00:30:34it's in the air
00:30:35precisely
00:30:36what is about to happen
00:30:37something
00:30:41under the house
00:30:42by Veronica
00:30:43there is
00:30:44Truly
00:30:45a quantity
00:30:46of people
00:30:46incredible
00:30:47among reporters
00:30:49photographers
00:30:49cameramen
00:30:50law enforcement
00:30:51and also
00:30:52ordinary citizens
00:30:53who want to attend
00:30:55at that moment
00:30:59we decide to
00:31:00listen
00:31:01again
00:31:02the statements
00:31:03that could
00:31:04somehow
00:31:05the story
00:31:05what he could do
00:31:06Veronica Conarelli
00:31:08as if we had
00:31:09somehow
00:31:10had to give
00:31:10one last chance
00:31:18we went to get
00:31:20Veronica Panarello
00:31:21and at the same time
00:31:23David
00:31:24him too
00:31:25he came with us
00:31:26there in the prosecutor's office
00:31:27because we had
00:31:29need to listen to them
00:31:30both
00:31:37it was the first time
00:31:39what we did
00:31:40about
00:31:4120 minutes
00:31:42of cars
00:31:43Where
00:31:44Nobody
00:31:44he uttered
00:31:45word
00:32:07the prosecutor
00:32:09of the Republic
00:32:10and Dr. Rota
00:32:11they were
00:32:12listening
00:32:13Veronica Panarelli
00:32:36at the same time
00:32:37I
00:32:37Inspector Pugliotta
00:32:38we were
00:32:39listening
00:32:40there
00:32:41Davide Stival
00:32:52Davide Stival
00:32:53it's the only one
00:32:54that could
00:32:54recognize
00:32:55like any father
00:33:25Davide Stival
00:33:27he viewed
00:33:27the videos
00:33:28that the investigators
00:33:30they showed him
00:33:31to search
00:33:31to understand
00:33:32the recognition
00:33:33of those silhouettes
00:33:33that were coming out
00:33:35from the palace
00:33:36and then
00:33:36a
00:33:38he was included in it
00:33:39Obviously
00:33:40the absolute smokiness
00:33:42of those images
00:33:43nevertheless
00:33:43the absolute
00:33:44certainty
00:33:45that that one
00:33:45silhouette
00:33:47so little
00:33:48defined
00:33:48is
00:33:49his son
00:33:50the manifesto
00:33:51right away
00:33:56David was
00:33:56heartbroken
00:33:57in the sense
00:33:58which was
00:33:58at that moment
00:33:59a destroyed man
00:34:00from a pain
00:34:01indescribable
00:34:07on that occasion
00:34:08David
00:34:10When
00:34:11he saw
00:34:11the images
00:34:13in Sicilian dialect
00:34:15he said
00:34:15Magistu Loris
00:34:20you can imagine
00:34:21at that moment
00:34:23When
00:34:23we were told
00:34:24from dad
00:34:26of the child
00:34:27That
00:34:27for him
00:34:28that was his son
00:34:29for me
00:34:30that's a certainty
00:34:36after he
00:34:37saw
00:34:38the images
00:34:40I asked Veronica
00:34:41if
00:34:42he wanted to talk
00:34:43with her husband
00:34:44they were on one side
00:34:44opposite
00:34:45of the corridor
00:34:46they were there
00:34:46that they saw each other
00:34:47she looked at him
00:34:48and he said
00:34:49ninth
00:34:50I want to go
00:34:50Meaning what
00:34:50he didn't want to
00:34:52talk to her husband
00:34:52this thing
00:34:53Obviously
00:34:53he hit her
00:34:54very much
00:35:01but I said
00:35:02it seems strange to me
00:35:03that is, my wife
00:35:03he doesn't want to see me
00:35:04why he mustn't see me
00:35:06I mean, I wanted to understand
00:35:06I wanted to know
00:35:08I wanted to know
00:35:09because she hadn't gone to school
00:35:10I wanted to know
00:35:11the truth from her
00:35:12in the first moment
00:35:14Yes
00:35:14the images
00:35:16they didn't speak clearly
00:35:17she at school
00:35:18she hadn't gone there
00:35:20of course from there
00:35:21for me it was
00:35:23confirmation after confirmation
00:35:33very quietly
00:35:34we started
00:35:35to rebuild
00:35:36all that
00:35:37that she did
00:35:40Veronica Parnello
00:35:41is seen
00:35:42let's say
00:35:42go out
00:35:43from home
00:35:43around 8.30am
00:35:50turn left
00:35:51on Via Roma
00:35:51instead of going straight
00:35:52as she told
00:35:58bring the baby
00:35:59smaller
00:36:00in the budoteca
00:36:06go back
00:36:07repark the car
00:36:09backtracking
00:36:10he puts it inside
00:36:11of the garage
00:36:11salt up
00:36:13around 8.40am
00:36:21at 9.23am
00:36:23succeeds again
00:36:25with the car
00:36:26from the garage
00:36:34and in this period of time
00:36:36is consumed
00:36:37the murder
00:36:39of the little one
00:36:40Loris
00:36:50the same night
00:36:52at the end
00:36:53Anyway
00:36:53of the umpteenth
00:36:54lies
00:36:54by Veronica Parnello
00:36:55also on the basis
00:36:57of the statements
00:36:59of the father
00:37:00by Loris
00:37:01by David
00:37:01the plum
00:37:02of the ecubia
00:37:03arranged
00:37:03the arrest
00:37:09it was known
00:37:10the news
00:37:11on television
00:37:12even before
00:37:13that the arrest
00:37:14it had been
00:37:16be notified
00:37:18but it's a matter of moments
00:37:20the terrible story
00:37:22by Loris
00:37:22we can only hope
00:37:23that it's not true
00:37:24what it is
00:37:25the hypothesis
00:37:26of the prosecution
00:37:27it really was
00:37:27unbearable
00:37:28just imagine
00:37:29what according to
00:37:31the accusation
00:37:31it would have happened
00:37:33I was at my house
00:37:37with my children
00:37:38on the sofa
00:37:39that we were watching
00:37:41a program
00:37:42on Rai 1
00:37:43what is it?
00:37:45the mother is coming out
00:37:46Is Donatella there?
00:37:48the host
00:37:51gives the line
00:37:52the correspondent
00:37:53Yes
00:37:54as it comes from the picture
00:37:55Mom just left
00:37:57from the police station
00:37:57after exactly
00:37:58the 5 hours of interrogation
00:38:00and the lawyer
00:38:01he just confirmed to us
00:38:02that will come
00:38:04transported
00:38:04inside the prison
00:38:06in Catania
00:38:07agree
00:38:07Thank you
00:38:09and that
00:38:10he gave me the confirmation
00:38:12that she knew everything
00:38:13that she
00:38:14had something to do with it
00:38:42I have not seen a grieving mother
00:38:44I didn't see it
00:38:45she knows who killed
00:38:47little Loris
00:38:48she is the truth
00:38:49she knows it
00:38:50only her
00:38:51he knows the truth
00:38:52the fundamental
00:38:53of the story
00:38:54he also played
00:38:56the behavior
00:38:58of the sister
00:38:59of the mother
00:39:02towards Veronica
00:39:04if we want to define it
00:39:07it was a behavior
00:39:08strongly hostile
00:39:10Why
00:39:12they attacked
00:39:14against
00:39:16Veronica
00:39:17describing it almost
00:39:18as
00:39:19a
00:39:20a monster
00:39:21I have a bad
00:39:22presentiment
00:39:23that in this story
00:39:24you have a lot to do with it
00:39:25so much her
00:39:28I expressed
00:39:30my opinion
00:39:30and that's it
00:39:36Antonella Panarella
00:39:37Surely
00:39:38it is not
00:39:39subtracted
00:39:40to the
00:39:41to the cameras
00:39:42it's normal
00:39:43that doesn't come
00:39:44believed
00:39:44he said
00:39:45many
00:39:46many
00:39:47lies
00:39:47many versions
00:39:49and he says it
00:39:49he says clearly
00:39:50to have
00:39:51the fear
00:39:52That
00:39:52that Veronica Panarella
00:39:53could really be
00:39:54she
00:39:55the murderer
00:39:56I definitely want to
00:39:57justice for Loris
00:39:58and that's it
00:39:59wants to have been
00:40:00my sister
00:40:06I repeat it again today
00:40:08I didn't believe it
00:40:08from the first moment
00:40:09that I saw her
00:40:15and I always wonder
00:40:17because a mother
00:40:18can do this
00:40:18to a son
00:40:19Why
00:40:19there is no reason
00:40:21Not
00:40:23there are no reasons
00:40:24Why
00:40:29anyone
00:40:30this is the reason
00:40:31the children
00:40:33No
00:40:33the blood
00:40:35of my blood
00:40:36doubts remain
00:40:38the truth
00:40:39he only knows it
00:40:39Veronica
00:40:42Veronica
00:40:43he didn't like it
00:40:44this family
00:40:45which emerged
00:40:47suddenly
00:40:47out of nowhere
00:40:48she didn't have
00:40:48great relationships
00:40:49with the family
00:40:51as well as
00:40:52he didn't have it
00:40:52the family
00:40:53with his children
00:40:54nor with Loris
00:40:55nor with the smaller one
00:40:56how come the gentleman
00:40:57he didn't hang out
00:40:58with her
00:40:58she dissociated herself
00:40:59since
00:41:00he met
00:41:00the family
00:41:01Boot
00:41:01suddenly
00:41:03when they too
00:41:03they started talking
00:41:05Veronica was annoyed
00:41:06from this too
00:41:07I love my daughter
00:41:08Attention
00:41:08he will go to find her
00:41:10in prison
00:41:11but my daughter
00:41:12nobody wants it
00:41:13much less
00:41:13my daughter wants me
00:41:15and when they said
00:41:17that they wanted
00:41:17go and visit her
00:41:18at first
00:41:19she didn't want to
00:41:20see no one
00:41:21then he softened
00:41:28the last time
00:41:29that I saw her
00:41:30it was because
00:41:34me
00:41:35I went there
00:41:37from the regent
00:41:45my father was there too
00:41:46and David's aunt
00:41:53and I see it
00:41:54we see it coming
00:42:04he hugs my aunt
00:42:06he hugs my father
00:42:07he doesn't even greet me
00:42:15we sit down
00:42:16on the coffee table
00:42:18in the surrounding locations
00:42:20at the table
00:42:22first we have a chat
00:42:24with my father
00:42:25and his aunt
00:42:26then he looks at me
00:42:28with a bold air
00:42:58must not do
00:43:00must not do
00:43:00Nothing
00:43:01Nothing
00:43:02Nothing
00:43:02who had
00:43:02the face
00:43:03with my son
00:43:04and he didn't have any
00:43:05All
00:43:09do you know what I did?
00:43:11I got up
00:43:14I made myself
00:43:16open
00:43:16the door
00:43:17but I left
00:43:33and what he told him
00:43:34Enough
00:43:49Veronica writes
00:43:50from prison
00:43:50of the letters
00:43:51to David
00:43:52with which
00:43:53Still
00:43:54she professed herself
00:43:55innocent
00:43:55he said that
00:43:56it hadn't been
00:43:56she
00:43:57and that was
00:43:58a conspiracy
00:43:59that there could be
00:43:59an explanation
00:44:08David
00:44:08let's say that
00:44:09since she was arrested
00:44:10him
00:44:10he made the decision
00:44:12Of
00:44:13stop
00:44:14the reports
00:44:18but at a certain point
00:44:19she
00:44:19writes a letter
00:44:20and says
00:44:20who has to talk to him
00:44:21he has to tell him
00:44:22some things
00:44:22so in the end
00:44:23he went to visit her
00:44:34he wanted to understand
00:44:35what had happened
00:44:37it was certain
00:44:37at this point
00:44:38that it was her
00:44:39but there was
00:44:39in him the hope
00:44:40that there was
00:44:41an explanation
00:44:41that could a little
00:44:43I'm not saying
00:44:43justify
00:44:44but anyway
00:44:45comprehend
00:44:46the meaning
00:44:47of that
00:44:47that it had happened
00:44:48I hope you
00:44:49he has already come
00:44:50because you can
00:44:50stay by my side
00:44:52you can stay next to me
00:44:54I live
00:44:55to understand
00:44:56that certain things
00:44:57you can't be next to me
00:44:58I need
00:45:00of you
00:45:00if you are next to me
00:45:04how do I do it?
00:45:05to really be
00:45:06how do I do it?
00:45:06in my
00:45:07how am I doing
00:45:08I
00:45:08what do you want me to do
00:45:10tell me that
00:45:10I'm not doing it
00:45:11you're looking at me
00:45:17that is not born to me alone
00:45:22a boy
00:45:23that is really facing
00:45:24a huge test
00:45:26much stronger
00:45:27of him
00:45:27bigger than him
00:45:32but she
00:45:32I want to know the truth
00:45:33because you only have
00:45:34your truth
00:45:34I don't know it
00:45:35like no one else knows
00:45:45but why me
00:45:47what I've always said
00:45:49that's what I've always believed
00:45:50I didn't say
00:45:52lie
00:45:52I didn't say
00:45:53I'm what I've always said
00:45:54that's what I believed
00:45:56but
00:45:57what you said
00:45:58that's not what you did
00:45:59the thing is to be
00:46:00what I told you
00:46:01it wasn't what you did
00:46:03but when I was at home
00:46:04I was alone
00:46:05Truly
00:46:06OK
00:46:07I was the only one
00:46:07I didn't look at it
00:46:09but
00:46:18the school doesn't have it
00:46:19you came back home
00:46:25I left it at home
00:46:26I left it at home
00:46:51the confirmation of what had been, so to speak, his certainty in the sense that those
00:46:56he knows how they were going out and that other one who was coming back maybe it was the three of them and then he was alone and yet
00:47:03she
00:47:03he doesn't go so far as to say what happened
00:47:06the car in the garage the whole adventure I put the car in the garage in the morning before because
00:47:12there was no room for the second one because I wanted to take the deck chair that we have in the garage
00:47:18but he doesn't speak, ...
00:47:24he speaks, he doesn't speak, he doesn't speak
00:47:29it was almost a year and you always say the companion and then it is said that she is not at home, so
00:47:33the companion
00:47:34after I release him outside and give him back to you, now if he was at home when do we come back and where is the house?
00:47:38do you know why he doesn't give it to you?
00:47:40because I can't understand this, I told you that there are things that I can explain and there are things
00:47:45that I can't explain to myself because I can't lie anymore
00:47:49There are things that I have metabolized, this happened here, this is not from study, it was not from the day before
00:47:57I chistograph the cane
00:48:08and at the end of this conversation there was also a sense of frustration, of anger because she was not at the
00:48:15the end had not made him aware of what had happened
00:48:37in prison she had remembered where she had probably thrown Loris' backpack
00:48:49that was, let's say, the time where we all believed a full confession, let's say almost liberating, for the crime
00:48:59committed by her
00:49:06This is the video of when we took her from the Agrigento prison and we started this journey
00:49:25I was notified by the prosecutor's office that we were going to those areas with the police to look for the backpack.
00:49:49and if a year always passed, right? So maybe the office position itself
00:49:56I went out
00:49:58eh
00:49:59I didn't have an eye there
00:50:02I went out I had it there
00:50:05Veronica you are sure that in this area you assure you that it is not a farmhouse first a farmhouse after a
00:50:11this is what interests me
00:50:12It's the only farmhouse we've come across with the hip delight
00:50:15don't go by logic
00:50:23because the cottage fights me, you fight me but the fact of the road doesn't fight me
00:50:27a backpack that was not found that was not found
00:50:32but let's say maybe it's better if you want I can take you back to where Loris was found
00:50:39because maybe from there you start to remember what happened, where this backpack might be, etc.
00:50:47and she told me but why can we go there?
00:51:07maybe that was one of the strongest moments too
00:51:10because as soon as we hit the road
00:51:14which led down a small slope to the gully
00:51:18and she burst into tears
00:51:25I remember a silence inside the vehicle
00:51:29and I had signaled to my colleague from the forensic science department to never stop filming
00:51:39I make myself understood
00:51:43lawyer for night
00:51:46tell me why you did it, why you did it
00:51:47you were scared, why?
00:51:50I do not know
00:51:50you didn't understand it
00:51:54I do not know
00:51:56I don't know why
00:52:17At first I was leaving it there
00:52:22I had already picked her up to leave her on the ground
00:52:25then I made a car arrive
00:52:27I put it back down and then I'm sitting
00:52:40I do not know
00:52:41I do not know
00:52:41I do not know
00:52:44I do not know
00:52:45she admitted to throwing her son away
00:52:49but he never answered the question
00:52:51that today we still ask ourselves why he did it
00:52:55I do not know
00:52:58I do not know
00:53:00I do not know
00:53:00I do not know
00:53:01I do not know
00:53:02I do not know
00:53:03I do not know
00:53:04I do not know
00:53:04I do not know
00:53:05I do not know
00:53:06From that moment I tried to understand what my defense was
00:53:15to adopt deceased a confession
00:53:20partial
00:53:20Because at that moment we have a confession which is that of having hidden the body, but we are not yet
00:53:31to the confession of having killed his son.
00:53:37But are you remembering it now? Did you even know this place?
00:53:54She knows that place very well. She knew the gully was there and the void below.
00:54:05We lived in the neighborhood nearby.
00:54:14Always here, the house, this is the house. The one over there with the red.
00:54:29From there you also go to the old mill.
00:54:36And there's a fountain there. I don't know if it works anymore these days. We used to go there to get water.
00:54:41'waterfall.
00:54:44Of course Veronica knew him.
00:54:48Of course he knew him.
00:54:51Very good.
00:54:53When I threw it away I didn't believe there was a void because I didn't even look.
00:54:58I just wanted to hide it behind the wall. I didn't want to knock it down.
00:55:04I thought the road would continue as it is now.
00:55:07Ah, because you didn't know there was the gully.
00:55:09Did you realize there was a gully?
00:55:11If I know that place exists, why do I have to say no? I've never been there. That's a lie.
00:55:17And from that lie I told him you know everything that happened. Everything.
00:55:23Listen, Veroni, I think it's probably not even appropriate to let you get out of the car.
00:55:29No, I want to go home though.
00:55:31Hey, I want to go home? Now let's see if we can get the keys because Davide was still untraceable and the
00:55:37keys go there.
00:55:41I remember that I was going to the office, I was in the car and Dr. Ciavola called me and asked me
00:55:47to provide him with the house keys almost immediately.
00:55:53Because he no longer lived in the house. After his arrest, Davide left home. One house was closed. Because
00:56:00they had to do an inspection with Veronica.
00:56:03Wait Veronica.
00:56:05Let's get it going.
00:56:06So, the lawyer went.
00:56:09What are we?
00:56:10Yes.
00:56:14Veronica returns home after many months. This time, too, she is recorded by the police.
00:56:25Can I go to the bathroom? Can I go to the bathroom?
00:56:33But I had absolutely no idea what Veronica Panarello's intentions were at that moment.
00:56:42I learned them as the judicial police and the public mystery learned them at the moment in which they
00:56:49reported.
00:57:20The judicial police and the public mystery at the time they reported them.
00:57:38At the gully Veronica Panarello had said something.
00:57:43It was the beginning of a confession.
00:57:45I threw it here.
00:57:48The investigators return home with her.
00:57:50They expect the confession to continue,
00:57:53that she tells, that she admits.
00:58:26What do you remember?
00:58:29It was here, it was here.
00:58:33Here it was.
00:58:36It was here.
00:58:38There was the chest of drawers before.
00:58:40Yes.
00:58:41There was the chest of drawers.
00:58:43She went in front of the chest of drawers.
00:58:45He went to say this other voice with us,
00:58:47if not, let's go and understand.
00:58:48I arrived from the dry cleaner's and he was here.
00:58:51I bent it like this for you.
00:58:55Towards the carpet.
00:59:00I'm not when she fell to the ground,
00:59:01I saw them doing it here.
00:59:15I pulled it and it hit my shoulders all over.
00:59:18I tried to put my hands in my mouth,
00:59:20but the mouth did not open, the stage was done.
00:59:24Then when the pulled one fell to the ground,
00:59:28it did not fall to the ground.
00:59:28More than anything I kept it successful,
00:59:31he put it down as it decayed.
00:59:34And then I just craned my neck,
00:59:36I saw the band with all the colored elastic bands.
00:59:49It would have been a domestic accident,
00:59:52this is what the mother says.
00:59:53Loris would have killed himself.
00:59:58But Loris knew those cable ties,
01:00:00he had them at home, he knew how they worked.
01:00:03He also had toys tied to the bed with those cable ties.
01:00:08Investigators don't believe Veronica Panarello.
01:00:11They think what he says is not plausible,
01:00:14It's not logical.
01:00:20So?
01:00:24What did you do?
01:00:26But I saw it, I tried immediately.
01:00:28Thank you.
01:00:29With both now or with just one?
01:00:31With both.
01:00:32Drawings of a nail.
01:00:34There are none on Loris's neck.
01:00:37As?
01:00:37I couldn't do it with the nails.
01:00:40But God, how does he show it to me?
01:00:41I'm flying now, I'm on the ground.
01:00:43How did you place your hands?
01:00:45As.
01:00:46If it had been as she said,
01:00:49the scratches would have been visible.
01:00:52And there would have been quite a few of them,
01:00:53because you can imagine the phase is hectic.
01:00:55So there would have been a
01:00:59multiplicity of lesions of this kind.
01:01:02This didn't add up very well though.
01:01:04with the situation that was found.
01:01:06He told you something with his eyes
01:01:08and do you want it to be from my daughter's mother?
01:01:10I had it wide open.
01:01:12There was the wide open one.
01:01:13But my eyes were wide open as...
01:01:17It made me wide open.
01:01:19You pulled it after that you understood
01:01:21what had you done worse?
01:01:22Did you realize that you had made it worse by pulling?
01:01:25Yes.
01:01:25Ok, you went over there and got the suitcase.
01:01:28And I cut it from here.
01:01:30Ok, then...
01:01:34It was your knee you knocked her down
01:01:37and I leaned my cheek
01:01:39but I didn't feel...
01:01:41Breathed.
01:01:42I didn't understand anything anymore.
01:01:45Well, then...
01:01:46I didn't understand anything anymore.
01:01:48I got up.
01:01:49I ran.
01:01:52More from?
01:01:52And from there I took the phone
01:01:54and I came back.
01:01:55I had it in front of me.
01:01:57I was going...
01:01:57I didn't even tell myself to dial the numbers
01:01:59my hands were shaking so much.
01:02:00I was dialing the number
01:02:01but I didn't send the call
01:02:02and what do I do now?
01:02:04What do I do now?
01:02:04How do I explain this?
01:02:14And then...
01:02:15I would have asked for help throughout the building.
01:02:17I would have called 911.
01:02:18I would have called Carmen.
01:02:19I would have called everyone and more.
01:02:21Of everything and more.
01:02:24I wanted to call...
01:02:24Before calling David
01:02:26I had called 118.
01:02:28and I didn't send it.
01:02:30I didn't write the game day.
01:02:31I didn't write.
01:02:32You didn't even try to call.
01:02:34And then I said how I explain it.
01:02:36What happened?
01:02:37And what do I tell him?
01:02:39I didn't know what.
01:02:40I didn't get into the swing of things.
01:02:42I didn't understand anything.
01:02:43Okay.
01:02:45Veronica...
01:02:47If I put it in the car
01:02:49and he went to throw it into the gully.
01:02:52Put on your jeans and put on the ladder.
01:02:55Where am I doing?
01:02:56I got it.
01:02:57No, I tried to raise it here.
01:02:59I threw it away.
01:03:00On me.
01:03:01And I kept it like that.
01:03:02Okay.
01:03:02I got caught up and left.
01:03:09Yes, because I put it down like that.
01:03:12I took the car keys
01:03:14and I went down to the car.
01:03:16Okay.
01:03:18And I went down.
01:03:21I'm not the black defender,
01:03:23I am still the defender of it.
01:03:26it could have been good for me and say
01:03:28that it was a domestic accident.
01:03:30But you call for help,
01:03:33call the ambulance,
01:03:35you turn to the police,
01:03:37call the neighbors,
01:03:38you believe.
01:03:40In short, you have an attitude
01:03:43that there hadn't been
01:03:45at that moment
01:03:47and then
01:03:49the investigators
01:03:51they didn't believe it.
01:03:58Let's go to Ragusa right away,
01:03:59where this morning
01:04:00Veronica Panarello
01:04:02she introduced herself
01:04:03in court
01:04:03for the preliminary hearing.
01:04:05Preliminary hearing
01:04:06which has established
01:04:07the referral to trial
01:04:08and essentially
01:04:09has established
01:04:10how
01:04:10Veronica Panarello
01:04:12will be tried.
01:04:16The loading process
01:04:17by Veronica Panarello
01:04:18it took place
01:04:19with the shapes
01:04:19of the abbreviated rite.
01:04:20So
01:04:20there was no
01:04:22an investigation
01:04:23trial,
01:04:24they didn't hear from each other
01:04:24the witnesses,
01:04:25there wasn't
01:04:26the celebration
01:04:28of the process
01:04:29in the assize court.
01:04:30Obviously
01:04:31our strategy
01:04:35defensive
01:04:36Why
01:04:37we requested
01:04:38an abbreviated one
01:04:39conditioned
01:04:40to a draw
01:04:41psychiatric.
01:04:50We did it
01:04:52a path
01:04:53expert
01:04:54characterized
01:04:55from three meetings
01:04:56very long
01:04:57over time.
01:05:07The thing that struck us
01:05:08it's the estate
01:05:09of this woman,
01:05:11the capacity
01:05:11to face
01:05:13for a time
01:05:13so long
01:05:14the interview
01:05:15without smudges,
01:05:17without tiredness,
01:05:18without moments
01:05:19of yielding
01:05:20with a focus
01:05:21and a memory
01:05:22that many times
01:05:23it was competitive
01:05:24with ours.
01:05:25three times.
01:05:26There was no need
01:05:27that he didn't do them
01:05:27able.
01:05:28The test?
01:05:29The test?
01:05:30I already did it
01:05:30three times.
01:05:31They weren't doing it
01:05:31making identity.
01:05:32For me it's the contact.
01:05:33They weren't doing it
01:05:34making identity.
01:05:39when at the break
01:05:40between an expert opinion
01:05:41and the other
01:05:41we were going
01:05:42in the runner
01:05:42of the prison
01:05:44Veronica
01:05:44he was coming closer to me
01:05:45he was always looking
01:05:46a reason to come
01:05:47and he left me
01:05:48of messages.
01:05:49I remember one time
01:05:50who told me
01:05:50if I could say
01:05:51to her husband
01:05:52that she still loved him
01:05:54and another time
01:05:55that he tried
01:05:55to hook me up
01:05:57from the point of view
01:05:58of the maternal
01:05:59of the feminine
01:06:00that he wanted
01:06:00the child Diego.
01:06:02I can tell
01:06:03an episode
01:06:03for less to understand?
01:06:05One day
01:06:06I had bought
01:06:06two candies
01:06:08one for Diego
01:06:09and one for Lodz.
01:06:12The Auriss was sitting in front
01:06:14and Diego was behind.
01:06:15Diego what did he do
01:06:16he ate himself
01:06:17quickly his
01:06:18and at the stop
01:06:19when I was still
01:06:21the ammenities
01:06:22I didn't notice
01:06:23I don't know how
01:06:23and we got to the front.
01:06:25So
01:06:25we have not known
01:06:26two Veronicas
01:06:27that is Veronica
01:06:28that is played
01:06:29his part
01:06:31his
01:06:31he still wants
01:06:32a legitimation
01:06:33on the maternal
01:06:34It's Veronica
01:06:35that instead
01:06:35she is under investigation
01:06:36of a procedure.
01:06:58we take care of it
01:06:59of clinical truth
01:07:00then there is
01:07:01a historical truth
01:07:02it is a judicial truth.
01:07:05Not always
01:07:06the three truths
01:07:06they correspond
01:07:08but
01:07:08for us
01:07:09it's important
01:07:10the subjective experience
01:07:12the how
01:07:12a person
01:07:13it is told
01:07:14that's it
01:07:14the truth
01:07:16on which we
01:07:17we found
01:07:18our
01:07:19judgment
01:07:20regardless
01:07:21regardless
01:07:21from the correspondence
01:07:22or less
01:07:22with the truth
01:07:23historical
01:07:24but all we need is
01:07:25as you ask
01:07:25to me
01:07:26you saw
01:07:26things that others
01:07:27they don't see
01:07:27but I who
01:07:28I see
01:07:34but there is an interview
01:07:36that we don't do
01:07:37but what is he doing?
01:07:38the public prosecutor
01:07:39of his own free will
01:07:40glue
01:07:40panarello
01:07:42And
01:07:43suddenly
01:07:44it collides
01:07:45with a person
01:07:47unrecognizable
01:08:04here he sings
01:08:05and so he was curious
01:08:09to listen
01:08:10this song
01:08:12a behavior
01:08:14absolutely
01:08:15disruptive
01:08:16with respect to behavior
01:08:17compound
01:08:18which he had assumed
01:08:20towards us
01:08:24then in this video
01:08:26it hits a lot
01:08:27right there
01:08:28faces
01:08:29how she dressed
01:08:30the headband
01:08:31these glances
01:08:32this hair
01:08:33done a bit like this
01:08:34that is, everything
01:08:34postpone
01:08:35almost at the idea
01:08:36of a subject
01:08:37with a disability
01:08:39important cognitive
01:08:43No
01:08:44ready
01:08:46but it was absolutely
01:08:48built
01:08:49absolutely
01:08:50shiny
01:08:50built
01:08:51with this
01:08:52mode
01:08:52of a little
01:08:53from acting
01:08:54theatrical
01:08:57that is, it is the force
01:08:58of a person
01:08:59which he developed
01:09:00such talent
01:09:02if so
01:09:03we can define it
01:09:04just to avoid
01:09:07to be
01:09:08put into crisis
01:09:09from situations
01:09:28they are attitudes
01:09:29Enough
01:09:30how to say
01:09:31indicative
01:09:32of a modality
01:09:33relational
01:09:34how to say
01:09:34manipulative
01:09:35it was too much
01:09:37sensational
01:09:38No
01:09:44when instead
01:09:46Veronica
01:09:47from the point of view
01:09:49of his abilities
01:09:50cognitive
01:09:50he is a person
01:09:52absolutely
01:09:52capable
01:09:53to grasp
01:09:54perfectly
01:09:55the meaning
01:09:55some things
01:09:56that come to her
01:09:57proposed
01:09:58and also
01:09:58welcome
01:09:59which can be
01:10:00the goal
01:10:00secondary
01:10:01that the interlocutor
01:10:03try to reach
01:10:04through a question
01:10:05apparently
01:10:06simplistic
01:10:06what do we have to do?
01:10:07speak?
01:10:11Hollywood
01:10:12but you said one thing
01:10:13that made me curious
01:10:15but you said
01:10:16I am alone
01:10:17and there is no one
01:10:19let me know
01:10:21but he knows him
01:10:22because I am
01:10:24less
01:10:24Of
01:10:24No
01:10:25not to him
01:10:25No
01:10:26to him
01:10:27neither
01:10:27No
01:10:28and he is also
01:10:30the two of them
01:10:30he doesn't know him
01:10:32they were in the mountains
01:10:34she
01:10:34he caught us
01:10:35from the mountains
01:10:37no I'm not
01:10:38never been to the mountains
01:10:40he doesn't know us
01:10:41here is another one
01:10:42bag
01:10:43hidden
01:10:43the father
01:10:44Davide doesn't know anything
01:10:46with how many
01:10:47sister
01:10:47I told
01:10:48immediately to David
01:10:49what it was
01:10:50success
01:10:50that she
01:10:52it seemed to be
01:10:52completely out
01:10:53head
01:10:54and that seemed
01:10:55In short
01:10:56to have lost one's mind
01:11:03but for him
01:11:03it was a new fact
01:11:04he had never seen
01:11:05such behaviors
01:11:06of the wife
01:11:07he didn't tell him right away
01:11:07a way
01:11:08he's trying
01:11:08in all ways
01:11:09to get through
01:11:17from the madman
01:11:18one night
01:11:20he brought me
01:11:21lots of advice
01:11:24and maybe
01:11:27keep everything inside
01:11:29it's no use
01:11:31On the contrary
01:11:32he works on me every day
01:11:34what's happening?
01:11:36it happens that after
01:11:36in the third meeting
01:11:38Veronica
01:11:39he realizes
01:11:40that this type
01:11:41of behavior
01:11:42deviant
01:11:42it doesn't hold up
01:11:46I feel guilty
01:11:47why I kept quiet
01:11:51doubts begin
01:11:52the silences begin
01:11:54start saying
01:11:55that maybe
01:11:56there are people
01:11:57which could be
01:11:58responsible
01:11:59but he can't say the name
01:12:00somehow
01:12:01it makes us understand
01:12:02which is being prepared
01:12:04to deny
01:12:06all the background
01:12:07to express
01:12:10what she
01:12:11he thought it was
01:12:11his truth
01:12:15this morning
01:12:16it's not just one
01:12:21I am responsible
01:12:23in part
01:12:23someone else too
01:12:29Veronica Panarello
01:12:30tells
01:12:31this version
01:12:33and it is
01:12:34a version
01:12:35devastating
01:12:36that again
01:12:36it shocks
01:12:37life
01:12:38of the family
01:12:40by David
01:12:41and little Loris
01:12:42we have
01:12:43everyone included
01:12:45but she
01:12:45he did not pronounce
01:12:46the name
01:12:47of the person
01:12:48why there aren't any
01:12:49misunderstandings
01:12:51now he wants to tell us
01:12:54Andrea
01:12:54Andrea
01:13:00sudden
01:13:01Veronica Panarello
01:13:02seems to remember
01:13:02everything
01:13:03the woman
01:13:03change again
01:13:04version
01:13:05to kill the child
01:13:06it would have been
01:13:07the father-in-law
01:13:08Andrea Stival
01:13:09with which
01:13:10according to his story
01:13:11would have had
01:13:11a relationship
01:13:12extramarital
01:13:13I don't want to say
01:13:16I don't want to say
01:13:16Enough
01:13:18let's say
01:13:19it's just
01:13:19lies
01:13:20lies
01:13:20and falsify
01:13:21Enough
01:13:22what do you expect?
01:13:23Nothing
01:13:24I just expect
01:13:25that they give him
01:13:26righteous justice
01:13:27for that
01:13:28that she treats
01:13:28and he immediately
01:13:30he told me
01:13:30he's accusing me
01:13:33I trust
01:13:34to justice
01:13:35and justice
01:13:36will demonstrate
01:13:37that I
01:13:38in this whole affair
01:13:39I have nothing to do with it
01:13:40absolutely nothing
01:13:41because in reality
01:13:43I did nothing
01:13:47and I entered
01:13:49there was a television
01:13:51lit
01:13:51and they were
01:13:53already speaking
01:13:53were results
01:13:56my son
01:13:57he scared
01:13:58he was afraid
01:13:58I didn't see it
01:13:59on the other side
01:14:03and when she told me
01:14:05take something
01:14:06to hold it still
01:14:07because he's too excited
01:14:08I don't know
01:14:09why I took
01:14:10these little pastries
01:14:11and tell him
01:14:11I put it out
01:14:14in fact then
01:14:15played
01:14:15the phone
01:14:19I closed
01:14:20the door
01:14:20of the bedroom
01:14:21and I went
01:14:22in the bedroom
01:14:23to speak
01:14:23to keep
01:14:24with Davide
01:14:27he didn't make me understand anything
01:14:29the phone call arrives
01:14:31of the husband
01:14:33it almost seems like
01:14:34destiny
01:14:35that yes
01:14:36it fits in
01:14:37in all this
01:14:37she answers her husband
01:14:39and has the strength
01:14:41because after all
01:14:41a force is needed here
01:14:42not a little
01:14:43which is not a force
01:14:45psychotic
01:14:45Attention
01:14:46for those who have awareness
01:14:48which some might say
01:14:49but of course
01:14:50nothing happens anymore
01:14:51it's clear that
01:14:52in the grip
01:14:53to a reality
01:14:54dissociative type
01:14:55he feels like saying
01:14:56anything
01:14:57it's not like that at all
01:14:57on the contrary
01:14:58he's in a hurry
01:15:00in the phone call
01:15:01he answers
01:15:02and tells her husband
01:15:04Everything OK
01:15:05relax
01:15:05and closes
01:15:06this highlights
01:15:08the total absence
01:15:09of an emotionality
01:15:11constructive
01:15:12let's forget it
01:15:14maternal
01:15:14of an emotionality
01:15:15towards
01:15:16meanwhile of a child
01:15:18who lives
01:15:19this kind of experiences
01:15:20and then
01:15:20Where
01:15:22that emotional transport
01:15:23that a mother
01:15:24in general
01:15:26builds
01:15:27it's as if
01:15:29that son
01:15:29at that moment
01:15:30he was a stranger
01:15:33I left my phone
01:15:35on the bed
01:15:36and I am
01:15:37went towards the bedroom
01:15:39where I left it
01:15:41I opened the door
01:15:45and suddenly
01:15:47from that
01:15:48stretch out your arm
01:15:49and take the thread
01:15:50on the desk
01:15:55and that remained
01:15:57behind the piqued
01:16:02obviously she
01:16:04must try
01:16:05to exonerate oneself
01:16:07Why
01:16:07in fact
01:16:08there is a fact
01:16:09objective
01:16:10that the poor
01:16:11Loris
01:16:12he is killed
01:16:14at home
01:16:15its
01:16:15so he has to find
01:16:17someone
01:16:17that can
01:16:20to have killed
01:16:20Loris
01:16:21in his place
01:16:27the only one he frequented
01:16:29house
01:16:30from grandfather
01:16:33it was just
01:16:34Andrea Stival
01:16:38will be able to say
01:16:39that I'm crazy
01:16:39Andrea
01:16:40will be able to say
01:16:40which is not true
01:16:41but he
01:16:42with the morning
01:16:42he was with me
01:16:45will be able to say
01:16:46all that
01:16:46what he wants
01:16:47but he
01:16:48he was with me
01:16:58Loris is not dead
01:17:00it's angled
01:17:00from a growth
01:17:01own
01:17:02I say everyone
01:17:06but he
01:17:07is dead
01:17:07it's angled
01:17:08from a cable
01:17:10can be
01:17:10Of
01:17:12you don't buy a time
01:17:14a cable like this
01:17:17this is a cable
01:17:18at a cylindrical station
01:17:20while a half plate
01:17:22he still manages
01:17:24to maintain itself
01:17:25in the skin
01:17:25without going into detail
01:17:27more than that
01:17:27precisely because it is flat
01:17:28the cable
01:17:30if I hold it tight
01:17:31it goes deeper
01:17:34Therefore
01:17:34the skin margin
01:17:36tends to
01:17:39to overtake
01:17:40the edge of the cable
01:17:44the cable
01:17:45he leaves me
01:17:45a different groove
01:17:46at different margins
01:17:48sometimes higher
01:17:50of what he leaves
01:17:51the band
01:17:51And
01:17:53must be
01:17:55noted
01:17:55to be maintained
01:17:56on the neck
01:17:57in tension
01:17:58Obviously
01:17:58when I tie it
01:18:00the volume of the node
01:18:02it is greater
01:18:02so I should have
01:18:03find the sign
01:18:04on the neck
01:18:05of something
01:18:06of great
01:18:07let's say
01:18:08bigger
01:18:09of the section
01:18:09of the cable
01:18:10which imprinted
01:18:11in turn
01:18:12the skin
01:18:12so the famous
01:18:13knot sign
01:18:14all this
01:18:15there wasn't
01:18:19Andrea Stival
01:18:20that morning
01:18:21it wasn't
01:18:22in that house
01:18:26it's not a problem
01:18:27of the weapon of law
01:18:28it's not a problem
01:18:29of the story
01:18:30by Veronica Panarella
01:18:31it's a fact
01:18:33confirmed
01:18:34of the activity
01:18:34investigative
01:18:42that morning
01:18:43he wasn't there
01:18:46the cameras
01:18:47they ascertain
01:18:48first
01:18:48that Andrea Stival
01:18:50he never entered
01:18:51in that house
01:18:53And
01:18:53they ascertain
01:18:55that during
01:18:55the whole journey
01:18:56in the car
01:18:57there is only
01:18:58Veronica Panarella
01:19:03he always did
01:19:04all of her
01:19:04this was
01:19:05always her
01:19:06in two years
01:19:07he invented it
01:19:08because he didn't have
01:19:09alternative
01:19:09he invented it
01:19:10because it was
01:19:10the only one
01:19:11way to search
01:19:12to do it
01:19:13Frank
01:19:33but I didn't expect it
01:19:35that it would end
01:19:36Like this
01:19:41This
01:19:42I think it is
01:19:43one of the moments
01:19:44more raw
01:19:45absolutely
01:19:46of this story
01:19:48and of his
01:19:49narration
01:19:49in which
01:19:52mostly
01:19:53stride
01:19:54motherhood
01:19:56with all that
01:19:58that she asked
01:19:59on stage
01:19:59put in place
01:20:00to the point of tears
01:20:02but that
01:20:04they didn't involve us
01:20:06emotionally
01:20:07and this for us
01:20:08it has a meaning
01:20:10clinical
01:20:13probably today
01:20:14the son finally
01:20:16it will be the day
01:20:17where he will receive
01:20:17peace
01:20:24you will be able to rest
01:20:25calm down today
01:20:29get to say
01:20:31This
01:20:31was
01:20:32for me
01:20:33the memory
01:20:33like a punch
01:20:35in the stomach
01:20:36it's a thing
01:20:37it hit me
01:20:38never hear
01:20:39a sign
01:20:40of repentance
01:20:41that is, never
01:20:43the pain
01:20:44or forgiveness
01:20:45the request
01:20:45of a pardon
01:20:46Here you are
01:20:46my son
01:20:47rest in peace
01:20:48maybe because
01:20:48so we close
01:20:49the appraisals
01:20:50let's finish everything
01:20:50and we stop it
01:20:51to speak
01:20:52let yourselves go
01:20:53time
01:20:54and the change
01:20:54the time
01:21:15all his behaviors
01:21:17they were behaviors
01:21:19manipulative
01:21:20regressive
01:21:21provocateurs
01:21:24and then
01:21:25we have arrived
01:21:26then to describe
01:21:27reality
01:21:28of the panarello
01:21:29as a reality
01:21:29characterized
01:21:30from a structure
01:21:31of personality
01:21:32which we have defined
01:21:34disharmonious
01:21:36underlining
01:21:37that in this
01:21:38personality
01:21:38disharmonious
01:21:39there was a prevalence
01:21:40of traits
01:21:41narcissistic
01:21:42estrionic
01:21:43but in essence
01:21:45these characterizations
01:21:46they didn't enter
01:21:47in a logic
01:21:48of pathology
01:21:49they were modalities
01:21:50expressive
01:21:51of the panarello
01:21:52to relate
01:21:54with themselves
01:21:54and with the world
01:21:55surrounding
01:21:56in operation
01:21:57of this
01:21:57Meaning what
01:21:58the absence
01:21:59of a pathology
01:22:00psychiatric
01:22:01has as its direct
01:22:02consequence
01:22:03the capacity
01:22:04to understand
01:22:04to want
01:22:10there is a junction there
01:22:11procedural
01:22:12Why
01:22:13if the expertise
01:22:14had concluded
01:22:15for an inability
01:22:16total
01:22:17at the time of the fact
01:22:18the process would not have been
01:22:19most celebrated
01:22:20if he had
01:22:21instead willing
01:22:22a partial capacity
01:22:24would obviously have
01:22:26determined
01:22:27an attenuation
01:22:28of the penalty
01:22:28but in reality
01:22:29the expertise
01:22:31she was merciless
01:22:35I tried
01:22:37in all ways
01:22:39to defend her
01:22:40with all the difficulties
01:22:43that you can imagine
01:22:45not the least
01:22:46the personality
01:22:48by Veronica Panarello
01:22:49That
01:22:52was modifying
01:22:53their own versions
01:22:54at his pleasure
01:22:57and then
01:22:58it had to be
01:22:59find
01:22:59a line
01:23:01of defense
01:23:02that could
01:23:04to be
01:23:04the most
01:23:05confiding
01:23:06to that one
01:23:10version
01:23:12humanly
01:23:12I have never
01:23:14abandoned
01:23:15Why
01:23:16there was that relationship
01:23:18of knowledge
01:23:19of the little girl
01:23:21Veronica Panarello
01:23:22which then I took
01:23:24found
01:23:25adult
01:23:25and then I took it
01:23:26found
01:23:28under investigation
01:23:28and then I took it
01:23:29found
01:23:30defendant
01:23:31of a
01:23:32heinous crime
01:23:33which is that
01:23:34of the murder
01:23:35of the son
01:23:45when in the people
01:23:47of Cana
01:23:47the service door
01:23:48of the detail piece
01:23:49section one
01:23:50the articles
01:23:51443
01:23:53and 605
01:23:55codes
01:23:55criminal procedure
01:23:56he confirms
01:23:57the sentence
01:23:58issued
01:23:58from the group
01:23:59of the court
01:24:00from Ragusa
01:24:01October 17th
01:24:022016
01:24:03appealed
01:24:03from Panarello
01:24:04Veronica
01:24:08at that moment
01:24:09unlike now
01:24:10the law
01:24:11allowed
01:24:12with the rite
01:24:13abbreviated
01:24:13to be able to
01:24:14avoid
01:24:15of the gas
01:24:15to take
01:24:16to the utmost
01:24:17a conviction
01:24:1730 years old
01:24:18which is the sentence
01:24:19in which it was
01:24:21condemned
01:24:21precisely
01:24:22Veronica
01:24:23even if they are
01:24:2530 years old
01:24:25my sentence
01:24:27it's for life
01:24:28Why
01:24:30you killed
01:24:31your son
01:24:33you took it away from him
01:24:34your mom
01:24:34life
01:24:41confirmed
01:24:42confirmed
01:24:43my sentence
01:24:52you're happy
01:24:53you know what I'm telling you
01:24:55I believe in God
01:24:56that I find a place for you
01:24:57why did he make you
01:24:58with the Tibetans
01:25:09he had a reaction to me
01:25:10a little exaggerated
01:25:11in front of Tupano
01:25:11But I think that this is yet another show he's doing in front of you and in front of the whole world.
01:25:17room.
01:25:17The problem is that Veronica doesn't accept this sentence because she doesn't believe she's guilty.
01:25:26He will never be able to forgive.
01:25:27But what do I have to go and forgive?
01:25:29Who do I have to forgive?
01:25:31The person who killed my nephew?
01:25:34Andrea, let's go.
01:25:36Andrea, that's enough.
01:25:43Veronica ruined all the families, that is, them for them, us for us.
01:25:53He ruined everyone.
01:26:01Due to this reconfirmation, my son will not be able to return in any case.
01:26:06But he must have a minimum of justice for me.
01:26:08This is what I think.
01:26:09When you heard those words, did you think of your son?
01:26:13Yes, of course.
01:26:23Davide Stival is the only non-negative note in this sad story, in this tragedy.
01:26:32I think he is an example of how he managed to handle a situation, I think the most difficult situation a father can face.
01:26:43to experience, which is the loss of a child, and in these conditions.
01:26:52You also asked Davide to make a statement, you were pleased to hear it.
01:26:57Obviously, I dutifully asked him.
01:27:00And he answered me in a way that, from my point of view, was absolutely understandable.
01:27:15Now, in short, nine years have passed and Davide has tried, also for the good of the child, the second, to give himself
01:27:26an orderly, regulated life, he changed jobs, he changed areas.
01:27:29He's trying to forget this story, he'll never be able to forget it.
01:27:44It can't be forgotten. I won't forget it, and I don't think anyone will.
01:27:51You can forget it, forget about it, right? But that November 29th will always weigh on you.
01:27:58I mean, just for a moment you say the 29th, yes, it was 2014, but it seems like it happened yesterday.
01:28:08You have it carved, you don't depend on it.
01:28:15Okay.
01:28:47Veronica Panarello in prison.
01:28:50Her husband, Davide, asked for a divorce while the trial was underway.
01:28:55The juvenile court removed her parental responsibility for her second child, Diego.
01:29:05This is the story of a filicide, of an unthinkable crime, without motive.
01:29:11Yet, there are always signs, there must have been.
01:29:14There's always a motive.
01:29:17Except that Veronica Panarello never wanted or was able to say this motive.
01:29:47Yet, there are always signs, he never wanted or was able to say it.
01:29:53Yet, there are always signs, he never wanted or was able to say it.
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