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00:04I don't press the board.
00:11Gianna.
00:11What?
00:12Sit up.
00:14Huh?
00:14Sit up.
00:15Just sit up for a second.
00:18Smile.
00:20Smile for the camera.
00:24Yeah, you're literally so unaware, like,
00:27that you are the level where someone could just rob you or rape you
00:32and you wouldn't even know what's going on.
00:34I don't remember anything.
00:38Is this evil?
00:39Should I be stopping?
00:41I don't remember how many days I woke up after or when it was.
00:48I decided to check my computer.
00:50That's when I found the eight-minute video of them assaulting me.
00:57I was in shock.
00:58This is a person who said that he loves me.
01:01I didn't wake up.
01:03This was a young woman who was being manipulated.
01:06This case was quite an extreme set of circumstances.
01:10I only know that it happened to me because I have this video.
01:15She was either asleep or unconscious.
01:17It doesn't matter what you call it.
01:19I can't believe that he's capable of doing this.
01:21He said that the agreement was he could do essentially what he wanted.
01:28He was so certain no one would ever stand up to him.
01:33It's only one person's word against another.
01:35I knew that there was no going back.
01:49So today's day is Sunday, the 8th.
01:53Sorry.
01:54International World War Day.
01:568th of March, 2020.
01:59And the time is 12.36.
02:02We're currently at a police station.
02:04Could you please tell me what your name is and how old you are?
02:07My name is Juliana Terrizi del Maneto.
02:10I'm 32 years old.
02:13You went to Acton Police Station and made a report about something that happened between you and your ex-partner.
02:20In as much detail as you can, can you tell me what happened?
02:23Okay, on Friday of last Friday, I went to the police station to report Hubert Greilich for sexually assaulting me
02:33in my own house, my own bed, while I was unconscious.
02:42That is the reason why I'm here, because I've reached the end of my limit as a person, as a
02:53human being.
03:00You said right at the beginning that your relationship started in September 2018.
03:07How did that begin?
03:08The first time I met him was at O'Neill's on Warder Street.
03:13I had just come from an event, an Oktoberfest.
03:21I came with a friend to O'Neill's, and he came up to me and started talking to me.
03:31There was loud music going on.
03:33I was quite drunk.
03:36He was not my type, but I just thought he wanted to chat.
03:41Weirdly enough, he asked me for a hug, and I said, okay.
03:48I just felt like, oh, he's having a great time.
03:51I don't want to ruin his vibe, so yeah, I'll give you a hug.
03:55And I thought, maybe genuinely, he just wants new friends.
04:00I guess I just felt bad saying no.
04:04My friend came back, and we were going to go home, and he asked for my number.
04:09And he said, oh, you know, I don't have any battery on my phone, so I'll have to remember your
04:14number by heart.
04:16You know, we're in a loud place with loud music.
04:18He's never going to remember it.
04:19I'm just going to say it once, really fast.
04:23That'll be the end of it.
04:31He was always very pushy.
04:34He would sometimes get so angry that he wouldn't be able to control himself.
04:41I remember Googling at some point, what is physical abuse?
04:47How many times do you have to get hit?
04:50Like, what is an accident, and what is actual physical abuse?
04:55He would become quite, I guess, like, aggressive.
04:59I remember one time we were out somewhere, and he, like, pulled my hand and shoved it down his pants.
05:08He always tried to manipulate situations.
05:12He used to brag about how easy it was for him to just make people perceive him the way he
05:19wanted them to.
05:21He was definitely not someone who should be out in the streets.
05:34I left, and I thought, no, we're going to see him again.
05:38That's it. Done.
05:43Yeah, it was at 2.52 in the morning, on the day of the Oktoberfest party.
05:49I got a text saying, guess who?
06:01Well, my childhood in Brazil was a very happy childhood.
06:08I feel like I have the best parents in the world, but at the same time, could be very strict.
06:16They're conservative, and they're a bit older.
06:19I felt like I didn't have my own space.
06:36Well, I came to London back in 2018.
06:42Brazil is quite traditional that you only move out of your parents' house when you get married.
06:48Alícia, mom.
06:49Amanda?
06:50For the first time in my life, I had my own place.
06:54So I had my own life.
06:57I mean, I was in the early 30s.
07:00Everyone just wanted to have fun.
07:02We were going out a lot.
07:04Bars, pubs, parties, friends, gathering.
07:07And we just had a lot, a lot of fun together.
07:12When you go out, you plan to meet guys, especially when you're young and single.
07:18I am much more shy than Juliana.
07:22So she had a lot more luck in that department than me.
07:34You said that his name was Hubert.
07:37Tell me about him.
07:38Hubert was born in London.
07:47He, from what he has told me, he was born.
07:52He was raised in a very, um, strict environment.
08:00He had to practice piano in order to get a scholarship, to go to a good school.
08:04He is extremely intelligent.
08:08Extremely intelligent.
08:11He was always messaging me, always trying to see me.
08:17Hey, what are you doing?
08:18I have tickets for this concert.
08:20Would you like to go?
08:21And I was just like, nah, nah, no.
08:25But then he sent me a really nice text.
08:31It made me feel very special.
08:38I would love to see you again.
08:40Please just, like, give me a chance.
08:41Which then I just thought, you know, if that person is so invested in getting to know me,
08:46perhaps I should give him a chance.
08:54It became really intense very quickly.
08:58I think the first time that we went out, he actually said to me afterwards, like,
09:04I'm in love with you, I think I'm in love with you, I think I'm in love with you.
09:09He made such an impression on me.
09:13Made me feel so loved.
09:15So special at the beginning.
09:21He would start messaging me like, I miss you.
09:25At the time, I felt amazing.
09:27You know, that best feeling I had in the world.
09:31I thought it was love.
09:33True love.
09:35I had never experienced before with that intensity.
09:47The first time he came over to my place, there was a piano.
09:52And he saw a piano there.
09:55And he said, oh my God, you have a piano, can I play?
10:06And he played beautifully for me.
10:09He played the Chopin, almost as well as a professional concert living piano player.
10:15I was just like, wow, this person has talent.
10:20And to me, that made him kind of attractive.
10:23And he was so interested in getting to know me.
10:27He asked about everything, like, what are your fears?
10:30What are your, you know, what's your family like?
10:33What are your plans?
10:34What's your dreams?
10:36I genuinely felt like he wanted to get to know me.
10:40This person can see parts of myself that, you know, takes years for people to know.
10:48And I think we talked all night until like, you know, four in the morning.
10:55And he asked me if I, oh, you like massages and things like that, which I did.
11:00So I was just like, wow.
11:02And then one thing ended up leading to another.
11:05I mean, I ended up sleeping with him.
11:11I didn't want anything serious with him.
11:18But the more I saw him, the more I felt like seeing him.
11:27He was one of the best people I've slept with.
11:33He knew what he was doing.
11:36I think he had told me at this point that he had done courses about tantric sex and things like
11:41that.
11:42He was very affectionate, you know, he would, he would sleep holding hands with me.
11:47I was not a very touchy-feely kind of person.
11:51I felt kind of safe when he was around.
12:03I felt like he cared.
12:08So with time, I feel like I started to want more things with him.
12:14You know, maybe we can possibly have a relationship.
12:25I remember how manipulative he was.
12:29You know, he would use things like, you know, he played the piano.
12:35He made me mad somehow.
12:36And then he would send me a video of, oh yeah, I'm just playing the piano for you.
12:41It makes you feel special.
12:43So, and I actually remember him once showing me how he had like a whole stock of videos of him
12:52playing piano.
12:54When women got mad at him, he could just send them that and pretend that he was trying to make
13:00up for what he's done.
13:07I showed videos of him playing piano to my parents in Brazil who really appreciate music and I get that
13:15from them anyway.
13:16So, they were very impressed.
13:33And I just said, I'm still getting to know him.
13:38Hubert knew that I had a very close relationship with my father.
13:52Whenever we were together, we didn't go out.
13:55We didn't do things together.
13:58And it was always, always in my place.
14:02What do you prefer in your baguette?
14:04Salmon egg or avocado egg?
14:09I felt like Hubert did everything to make it look just you and I.
14:14We had our bubble.
14:16It was in the bedroom and that was it.
14:20The rest of the world didn't matter.
14:25Hubert knew a lot about drugs.
14:29I think in my circle of friends, especially in Brazil, no one did drugs.
14:37So, here I felt like, ooh, maybe that's something I can explore.
14:42And I thought, if you want to try with someone who knows about them and who you feel safe with,
14:49I thought he was that person.
14:57I had a friend who said to me, whatever you do, if you ever try any MDMA, don't have sex.
15:06And I said, why not?
15:09Because it'll be the best sex you ever had.
15:12And that's how I also compare it to that.
15:14And I said, well, that just makes me want to try it now.
15:18And so, I thought, okay, Hubert is someone that's already good at sex.
15:25And maybe doing both together might be even more amazing.
15:30So, we did try.
15:33And it was amazing.
15:42There were times, good times, that we had together.
15:45But there was, there was this very dark side of him.
15:50He would just randomly record conversations with people.
15:54Arguments.
15:56It was very weird.
16:00He once recorded me having a breakdown.
16:04I thought at the time, maybe he's going to use it as leverage.
16:08Is he going to use it against me at some point to show that I'm crazy?
16:12I don't know.
16:15One of the times that me and Hubert were intimate, he did start filming us with my phone.
16:23He didn't ask for it.
16:25He just started doing it.
16:27And sort of halfway through, I realized.
16:29And then, because it was on my phone, I just let it happen.
16:34Because I thought, well, I can just, I can just delete it later.
16:42Hubert would record videos all the time.
16:45I was having loads of great ideas, and I was speaking like this all the time.
16:48I was speaking really fast.
16:49And they were like, dude, if you talk like that, they are locking you up.
16:53Yeah?
16:53He would make it look like it was a social experiment.
16:56He would say it was like a bit of a research thing.
16:59He would record, not necessarily with image, but just audio, like conversations.
17:07You have the most beautiful voice.
17:09The girls that love me tell me I have the most beautiful voice ever.
17:13How crazy is that?
17:15So, I wanted to record an audio book.
17:18Hubert convinced me to film us having sex.
17:32He would say, oh, we should, you know, record just for me, just for us.
17:37It can even be on your phone, and nobody will find it, and I won't have a copy.
17:41I know what you're thinking.
17:44You're saving all these secretly videos of you.
17:47I'm blackmailing you.
17:49No, I don't care about that.
17:50And I've never done that.
17:52It's not my kind of thing.
17:53I am a very private person, so it took a lot for him to convince me.
18:03He would sometimes show up late at night, I remember, and sometimes I was tired, but because
18:11he was on drugs, he just wanted to have sex, I definitely felt like I needed to be sexy, and
18:23I needed to be really intelligent, and I needed to be funny, and I needed to be everything that he
18:29wanted me to be in order to keep that relationship going, and keep him interested in me.
18:38It was so confusing being with him, and, you know, one minute feeling really connected, feeling like you love this
18:44person, and then the next minute, they make you feel like trash.
19:00I started getting a lot of constant kind of drunk texts and calls in the middle of the night.
19:14I generally worried for him.
19:18I would just transfer some money to him or send him an Uber.
19:23Slowly, gradually, it kind of became the norm.
19:31I felt like I wasn't sleeping. I was in this pattern of, like, worried about him. Three in the morning,
19:37I would always wake up and check my phone to see for a message, if he was okay.
19:46He would always say he would pay me back, but he never did.
19:52It was always very small quantities of money, anyway. I always felt like I needed to help him.
20:02If we hadn't spoken in a while, or if there was, like, a tension between us, he might say, like,
20:08I've just taken a bunch of drugs.
20:11Um, I don't know where I am. I need help. I think I'm gonna hurt myself.
20:16And then he would just, like, switch his phone off.
20:21I couldn't sleep, couldn't eat, just stayed up all night, worrying, didn't know what to do, didn't know whether to
20:27call the police.
20:29I guess the worry that he felt in that moment, the worry I felt in the moment, kind of overrides
20:35any anger.
20:37I can see that now, like, he never put himself at risk. He always was in control.
20:47There was always a story. He would say, oh, I'm going to see you. I'm coming after work. Don't know
20:53what time it's going to end.
21:00Sometimes it's, like, 11.30, midnight, when I come out.
21:06And it was awful, because I would stay up waiting for him.
21:11His excuse was always, oh, my phone is running out of battery, or this, or that.
21:18Many times, he promised it would come, and he didn't. And I just accepted it.
21:25And it was kind of unstable and confusing. His way of life was nothing like my way of life.
21:33It was something that I needed balance. I needed structure in my life.
21:37The moment I said, I don't want this, he would convince me to go back.
21:43But I was constantly, constantly trying to break up with him.
21:48The way that I perceived Juliana was always that she was very strong, headstrong.
21:54She had been dating guys that were no good for her, and she knew how to let go and, you
22:02know, break up with the guys if needed.
22:05When I would break up with him, and I would say, I'd never want to see Hubert again, he would
22:11tell me, oh, well, then it's easy to kill myself.
22:18That scared me a lot.
22:21I was genuinely afraid that he would.
22:30So, I got back so many times.
22:35I remember that half of the time, I didn't know what was going on.
22:40When I was with him, it was always this never-ending cycle of, I want to leave him, but then
22:49I can't.
22:52Whenever I wanted to talk about something, he would shout at me.
22:56He would scream to my face, or he would put his hands on my mouth so he wouldn't let me
23:02speak.
23:02Or he would, like, go berserk, or would storm off.
23:07So, I kind of learned not to challenge him that much.
23:12And yeah, I just feel like I became a ghost.
23:21I remember one time, we were at home.
23:24Hubert was very distant that day.
23:26He was constantly texting on his phone.
23:29He was upset with something.
23:31So, I asked him, is everything okay?
23:34And he's like, no, no, no, no, I don't want to talk about it.
23:37He just basically said, okay, I'm just going to go downstairs for a cigarette, and I'll come back.
23:42And he never did.
23:43He didn't come back.
23:44He just left.
23:47I could see the name of the person that I was texting with.
23:53So, I think it was on his Facebook.
23:55And I reached out to that person.
23:56I said, look, I know you've been texting him.
23:59Like, I just wanted to know if he's okay, because he just left without saying anything.
24:06Juliana contacted me in 2019.
24:10I think at the beginning, she thought that I was just an ex.
24:15And basically, she told me I'm his girlfriend.
24:24I couldn't believe it.
24:26He spent Christmas with me.
24:28He spent his birthday with me.
24:31How can he have more than one girlfriend?
24:35At that point, my relationship with Hubert was, like, very up and down.
24:42From the beginning, he would tell me about unconditional love.
24:46Gurus.
24:47People that were, like, life coaches.
24:53And some of them would have open relationships.
24:59I think by then, I was already quite hooked.
25:03I was in a vulnerable position when I met him.
25:06And he just...
25:09He made such an impression on me.
25:13Made me feel so, so loved.
25:15So special.
25:16And at the beginning, I wasn't ready to give that away.
25:22From talking with this woman, she said,
25:25I actually opened our relationship because there was no point in him cheating.
25:32I was just like, look, that's fine.
25:35It's horrible.
25:36I need to cut ties with this person.
25:38And that's it.
25:39End of.
25:43My advice was, let him go.
25:46My advice was, let him go.
25:46He's not good for you.
25:47He's not trustworthy.
25:49Obviously, he has no respect for you.
25:52And she was very receptive to it.
25:55And I never even thought about him after that moment.
26:00It felt like she would be done with him very quickly.
26:06The Juliana that I knew would have no problem dropping him.
26:11But I couldn't.
26:18We were driving.
26:19And we were having an argument.
26:22And he went to grab my hand.
26:24And I pulled it away.
26:25I didn't want to hold his hand.
26:29And he got really angry.
26:31And started speeding the car.
26:34And it was down this road.
26:36And I, I thought I was going to die.
26:40We were going so fast.
26:41I thought I was going to die.
26:45He was trying to threaten me.
26:47That's what he was trying to do, basically.
26:51And then, I don't know whether I screamed.
26:54Or tried to get out of the car.
26:56And then he stopped the car.
27:06When he wasn't around, I would generally feel like.
27:10I wish he was.
27:16I just couldn't help the way my body felt.
27:20It was like withdrawal.
27:22Like physically missing someone.
27:26I, I genuinely felt like he was my drug.
27:34So my friends came and said, we feel like we can see you're dying in front of us.
27:40It's like, your essence, your happiness, it's gone.
27:44It's, it's, it's not you.
27:45It's like, you're literally disappearing in front of us.
27:54It was, it was very hard for me.
27:56It was very hard for me to see the worry in their faces.
28:03For me, it was just.
28:11I didn't have control of the situation.
28:15And I didn't know why.
28:17I didn't understand why can't I get away from this person.
28:26So, it was very hard.
28:35When did you break up?
28:36That is a good question.
28:38Right now, I can't tell you the exact date.
28:45Because so much has happened since then.
28:50But it was in May or June.
28:56May or June of last year.
28:58Of 2019.
28:59Yes.
29:02And what was the accommodation situation?
29:06So, where was he sleeping to yourself?
29:08He was staying with me and sleeping in my beds.
29:13But I had told him that I could not be in a relationship with him.
29:18That I could not trust him.
29:20But I wanted to help him.
29:28I think it was the first week of December.
29:30He said that he was homeless.
29:33Again, he didn't have anywhere to stay.
29:36He asked if he could stay a few days in my house.
29:39And he pretty much moved in.
29:44This was one of a million chances that I had given him.
29:51To try to help him.
29:52He said, I'm so sorry.
29:54All the hurt that I'm causing you.
29:56And I want to turn my life back together.
29:58I'm going to eat healthy.
30:00No drugs for me.
30:00I'm going to, you know, get my life in order.
30:06I'm not the most romantic, though.
30:07But sometimes I did show you.
30:09This is on a real occasion.
30:11I'm sorry I'm not.
30:12Look, everything that you want me to be all the time.
30:16I hate you.
30:17No, no, this is generally from the heart.
30:19I'm so, I wish, all I wish is I could be everything you want to.
30:25He had a end-of-year kind of drinks at work.
30:30He went.
30:32He got drunk.
30:33And I didn't see him for two days.
30:37I just thought he was literally dead.
30:41I thought that I should be calling hospitals and things like that.
30:45I was so upset.
30:46I was so distraught.
30:47I said, everything in my life is kind of falling apart.
30:52And this person doesn't even care.
30:54You know, he doesn't even bother to send a message to say he's okay.
31:02I was in so much pain.
31:06It was the lowest, lowest point.
31:10I took his diazepam.
31:15It was a point where I just wanted the pain to stop.
31:22And I couldn't text at this point.
31:24I was so out of it that I just sent him a voice message.
31:29Hubert, I don't care what you find to leave before, after, or doing.
31:35I don't care.
31:36Just please, don't grab your stuff.
31:40Please.
31:43He's like, are you drunk?
31:44Because I was slurring.
31:46And I said, no, I took all your pills.
31:49He was the only person I told.
31:52When did you take them?
31:54And exactly how many did you take?
31:56And basically he said, oh, you can OD from that.
31:58And, you know, you need to go to the hospital.
32:00And I said, I can't get out of that.
32:02He said something along the lines like, if I come there, then you have to let me stay.
32:08And I just said, all I want for you to do is to pick up your things and leave and
32:11get out of my life.
32:13You know what?
32:14He would forget about us.
32:15Fuck you.
32:16Forget I even asked anything.
32:18He had isolated me from my friends to the point where I felt like I couldn't reach out to them.
32:24So I didn't.
32:28I think eventually he came.
32:30He tried to hug me.
32:31He's like, I'm so sorry.
32:33I was so embarrassed.
32:34I stayed away for two days because I didn't have the courage.
32:38I knew you were going to break up with me.
32:40And please, please, please forgive me.
32:45He said, just like, we need to chill.
32:47We need to turn this page over, you know.
32:50And that's when he suggested he would get drugs.
32:59And I think I was just like, you know what?
33:01Anything to make me feel better.
33:04And he said, oh, you know, he couldn't get MDMA.
33:08So he got ketamine instead or something like that.
33:12And he said, okay, let's do it.
33:19After that, I don't remember anything.
33:25Smile.
33:27Smile for the camera.
33:31No, I understand you.
33:33I listened to everything you said.
33:35Yeah, repeat it back to me.
33:36I thought everything you said was good and true.
33:40And I would put everything back.
33:44Yeah, you're literally so unaware, like,
33:47that you are the level where someone could just fucking
33:50rob you or rape you and you wouldn't even know what's going on.
33:54I was actually anything.
33:56Yeah.
33:56I don't know what you're talking about.
33:58I'll say this.
34:00Do you want to tell me you're laughing?
34:06You're laughing?
34:06You're laughing?
34:09I don't trust you, but I love you.
34:14I think it was a month later.
34:17I got, like, an email from PayPal saying,
34:21check your recent transactions.
34:24There is a transaction in the amount of 300 pounds
34:29from my account to his account,
34:31which I never did.
34:32And it wasn't transferred.
34:35It was stolen.
34:36It was taken without my consent.
34:39To me, that was the breaking point.
34:41I've run out of excuses for this person.
34:44And I kicked him out.
34:48That night, he texted me.
34:52What's your dad's WhatsApp number?
34:54I want to send a video for his 80th birthday.
34:57I never met my dad.
34:58I never spoke to my dad.
35:01He'd filmed lots of videos of us having sex.
35:04And I thought he was threatening to send one of them to my dad in Brazil.
35:10I was terrified.
35:16Was he blackmailing me to take him back?
35:22And that's when I decided to check my computer.
35:27I didn't even know where he recorded them.
35:30I didn't know where to search,
35:31so I wrote .mov on the computer.
35:36That's when I found the eight-minute video
35:40of him assaulting me.
35:54In the video, I'm sleeping.
36:02I was tied up and unconscious.
36:11I was not reacting.
36:15He's next to me laying,
36:17and he was recording from my computer.
36:23He's, like, talking as if I was awake,
36:25as if I was responding, but I'm not.
36:31And when I saw that, I was just like,
36:35what?
36:37What is this?
36:38I couldn't believe it.
36:43And he just kind of looks at the camera,
36:49looks at me.
36:53Then he, I think he uncovers the duvet.
36:59There's a point where he is, you know,
37:04sexual assaulting me, and it's quite rough,
37:08and I'm still not responding.
37:11And he even stops to say something like,
37:14is it good?
37:19You can see that I don't want it.
37:20You can see that I just want to sleep.
37:29Oh, my God.
37:30This is a person who said that he loves me,
37:32who said that he cared for me,
37:35and he did these awful things to me.
37:46I'm just going to re-go over what you've said,
37:48and then I'll ask you some questions.
37:51So you explained at the beginning
37:52that money had been transferred
37:55from your PayPal account
37:57into Hubert's account,
37:59and the second reason why you came to police
38:02was in relation to an incident taking place
38:04while you were unconscious.
38:07Tell me in as much detail as you can
38:08what you remember about that day.
38:11I would have no memory,
38:13no recollection of what happened
38:15because I was unconscious.
38:18So I don't remember anything.
38:20And I only remember, I don't remember.
38:23I only know that it happened to me
38:25because I have this video
38:28as proof.
38:32What makes you think you're unconscious?
38:35In the video, it is absolutely clear
38:39that I was unconscious, not sleeping.
38:42I was snoring at some point.
38:46He shook me up plenty of times
38:49to try to wake me up
38:51while he was fingering me very roughly.
38:55If I responded, I said no.
38:59I tried to cover myself,
39:01and I was tied up with a rope string.
39:06And you don't have any recollection of that?
39:09I have absolutely no recollection.
39:14Proving that there's been a sexual assault
39:16when someone wasn't conscious at the time
39:19is extremely difficult,
39:22particularly in the context of consensual sexual activity
39:25between two people.
39:28I went into this very naive.
39:31I guess you are also a suspect
39:36when you report a crime like that.
39:38They go through your life for the comb.
39:41They go through all your messages,
39:44all your chats,
39:46email,
39:47Instagram.
39:48I gave everything I had for them.
39:55Have you ever allowed Hubert to sexually touch you
40:00whilst you were asleep
40:01or not aware of what was going on?
40:04No, that was not normal.
40:06That was not something I would allow.
40:10During the video,
40:11it shows you having your hands bound
40:15in some way during that video.
40:19Do you have any memory at all
40:22of your hands being bound together?
40:26I had no memories that I was tied up.
40:29The only time I found out was when I woke up
40:33and I saw that I was tied up
40:35and I was very surprised
40:36and I asked what happened.
40:39I knew there was no going back.
40:42It was scary for me,
40:43knowing that that's it.
40:45So that's the last of the questions.
40:48The time is 12.48.
40:50I'll get to stop recording.
40:53When you have an allegation of rape
40:55or sexual violence
40:56in the context of a pre-existing
40:58or an ongoing emotional relationship,
41:00it massively muddies the waters
41:02in terms of criminal evidence
41:04and makes it much more difficult
41:05to secure a conviction
41:06or even to get a charge.
41:09It's difficult in a case
41:10where two parties know each other
41:12and they've had a history
41:14of consensual sexual activity.
41:17Where that's the case,
41:18it's particularly difficult to prove
41:20that on one or several occasions
41:22it went beyond consensual
41:23and into something which became sexual assault.
41:27Those who begin the journey
41:28of a criminal complaint to the police
41:30and all of the intrusive questions
41:32and examinations that go with that,
41:35the majority just drop out
41:36and just say,
41:37I can't do it.
41:39I thought, like,
41:41I've exposed him.
41:42This is it.
41:44I'm finally free from this horrible person.
41:52It was just the beginning.
41:56You know,
42:21you
42:23You
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