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00:167 matter 15, we're code 6 at the 9-1-1 call location.
00:20Any further contact from the distressed individual?
00:22Negative. Do you want me to start additional units?
00:24Uh, no. Give us a minute to scope it out first.
00:27You ready?
00:28Do I have a choice?
00:29That's a spirit.
00:38LAPD, we've received a distress call from this location. We are making entry.
00:46Oh, do you feel that?
00:53Feel what?
00:54Oh, something evil's in here.
00:56It sure smells like it.
01:06I can't die.
01:08It's inside of me.
01:10It won't let me die.
01:12It won't let me die.
01:14Elise, show yourself.
01:19I can't die. It's inside of me. It won't let me die.
01:22Don't touch that, all right? Just call this in. Call it in.
01:25I need an RA to my location for a stabbing victim.
01:27So I usually sit right next to the camera to keep the eye line tight.
01:30Then I'll just sit on the other side.
01:32No, because then you'll split his look.
01:34Oh, hey, hi. Thanks again for sitting down with me.
01:37Us?
01:38Us. What? Oh, right. Us. Why are you filming?
01:41Oh, I just wanted to document the new partnership. Abigail was very excited.
01:45It's not a partnership.
01:46It's totally a partnership. The judge was very clear.
01:48The judge?
01:49My name is Abigail Tierney. I'm currently trapped inside a secret lab at Westview Psychiatric.
01:54All attempts at escape have proven fruitless.
01:56I may have inadvertently used some of Abigail's footage in my last documentary without gaining the proper permissions.
02:02Translation. He stole my intellectual property. I sued, and the judge gave him a choice.
02:07Pay me 200,000 damages or give me equal partnership in his next project.
02:11He never said equal, but you know what? Never mind. Let's focus on the story that we're here to tell.
02:16Seat.
02:19Perhaps the most shocking case of murder and mayhem we've ever seen. Would you say that's a fair assessment?
02:25Um.
02:26No, no. Stay back. Stay back. Stay back. You don't understand.
02:28Okay, relax here, okay? We're trying to help you. Who stabbed you?
02:31I stabbed myself. It's inside of me. I've tried everything else. I can't kill it. I can't die. See?
02:40No, don't pull that. Don't pull it out.
02:41Oh, God.
02:45Now he died instantly. I mean, the wound was fatal.
02:49You can't stab yourself in the heart and survive.
02:51But the way the knife was lodged, he wasn't bleeding.
02:57Once he pulled it out...
02:58It was Blood Fountain City.
02:59Not exactly, but...
03:01As shocking as that was, it was far from the most shocking thing you found.
03:04Oh, we should get him to say that to set up the opening credits?
03:07That's not... We don't put words in people's mouths. It's a documentary.
03:13Yeah, it was, uh...
03:15It was straight up crazy.
03:17You don't think that there's a body in there?
03:21We have finally found it.
03:25Please don't kill us. We will join your cult.
03:28Oh, God.
03:29You arrived on scene as the sergeant's supervisor?
03:32Yes. I got there before the ambulance.
03:35Not that there was any aid they could have rendered.
03:37Is there a reason you didn't want us to interview you with Tim?
03:40What?
03:41No.
03:42We're just...
03:43I'm just shaking it up.
03:44Let's stay focused.
03:46Were you the first to recognize the victim?
03:48Uh, sort of.
03:50I thought I knew his face, but it wasn't until we ran his prints that we got a name.
03:54Rich Riley was retired LAPD.
03:57He had been with the department for 30 years and was a little bit of a legend.
04:00Mostly because he made a series of training videos from the mid-90s till his retirement in 2015.
04:07Which, by modern standards, are a little cringe.
04:11Hey, everybody. Rich Rowley here with another installment of...
04:17Now, today, we're going to be talking about proper cuffing technique.
04:22Excuse me, officer?
04:23I hurt my shoulder at the gym.
04:26Would you mind cuffing me in front?
04:29Pretty lady like you.
04:32What's the worst that could happen?
04:37You're welcome.
04:41Rich was a trip.
04:43The life of the party, at least early in his career.
04:46Then, as the years went on, he became a little, uh, crazy.
04:51Crazy how?
04:52He was deep into conspiracy theories.
04:54He, uh, had a real thing for cults and cabals.
04:58To be fair, Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history.
05:01But Rich took it to the next level.
05:03And his training videos got more and more intense because of it.
05:06We finally got around to updating the videos this last year.
05:08But that caused quite a controversy with some of the older officers.
05:12They said we were being insensitive.
05:14Why would updating training videos be insensitive?
05:17Even three years on, a lot of his friends were still mourning his death and saw the videos as a
05:22way to keep his memory alive.
05:23I'm sorry.
05:24I thought Rich died six months ago.
05:26Yeah.
05:26He did.
05:27I'm talking about the first time.
05:29Divers are searching for any signs of retired Los Angeles police officer Richard Rowley after a sailing trip gone wrong.
05:37Coast Guard responded to a distress call this morning from Raleigh's wife, who says the 55-year-old fell overboard
05:44after the sailboat he was captaining was struck by a rogue wave.
05:49Any time someone disappears from a boating trip, it automatically sets off alarm bells.
05:53Why is that?
05:54It's just an ideal place to cover up crime, throw a body overboard, weigh it down.
05:58The likelihood of us recovering it before it becomes fish food is low.
06:02And the circumstances were suspicious.
06:04By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor.
06:07It was a calm day, and the only witness to his demise was Darla Phillips, his on-again, off-again
06:12girlfriend who he married five days prior.
06:15So you suspected foul play?
06:19Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out.
06:21Why wasn't Rich wearing a life vest?
06:23He never did.
06:24He was a strong swimmer.
06:26He must have hit his head when he fell.
06:29Why didn't you jump in after him?
06:30I'm scared of dark water.
06:32Dark water?
06:33Water you can't see the bottom of.
06:35Just blackness.
06:37With condoms what lurking below.
06:40You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension.
06:42That's quite a bit of money.
06:44How dare you?
06:45I just watched the love of my life die in front of me.
06:50We don't know that for sure yet.
06:52They haven't found his body.
06:54Unless you know more that you're not telling us.
06:58Go to hell!
07:00This interview was over.
07:01Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive?
07:04As we said, we couldn't rule anything out, but there was no evidence that he'd faked his death.
07:09Until he turned up dead again.
07:11Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla.
07:14Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime.
07:16I checked.
07:17You're right, but profiting off of that death, collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance, it's fraud.
07:23Not to mention the resources that were wasted trying to recover his body.
07:27He could be facing some serious charges.
07:28So, tell us, why did Rich want to fake his death?
07:35After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart.
07:39His drinking got worse and his paranoia, he was always a little intense, but it started to get scary.
07:47He covered all his windows with newspapers.
07:51He started writing down the license plates of passing cars.
07:55What was he so afraid of?
07:56He said there was this group.
07:59Like a secret society of dangerous and powerful people.
08:04He'd been onto them for years, but he said that they found out about him.
08:08That he was in danger because of it.
08:10It was too much for me, so I broke up with him.
08:13And then a year later, he showed up on my doorstep and asked me to help him fake his death.
08:20In return for his pension.
08:23I needed the money.
08:24So, we got married and we did the deed.
08:27And I never saw him again.
08:29So, you have no idea why there was a coffin in his garage?
08:33We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle until the end of the first act.
08:37You know, hit the audience with a twist when it's dramatically expedient.
08:40Seems manipulative.
08:41All good storytelling is.
08:42Just tell us about finding the coffin.
08:45Uh, so, once I arrived and we secured the crime scene, we cleared the rest of the house and then
08:50we moved on to the garage.
08:56Oh.
08:57Oh.
08:58You don't think there's...
08:59That there's a body in there?
09:00I absolutely do.
09:02Okay, are we going to open it?
09:03Because I don't want to open it.
09:06What do you think?
09:06I mean, it's clearly been dug up.
09:09Given the state of the coffin, it's clearly been underground for a few years.
09:13If there is a body in there, it's likely long dead.
09:17Unless...
09:17Unless what?
09:19Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin.
09:25Oh, okay.
09:26Got it.
09:27Yeah.
09:27Oh.
09:29Oh, God.
09:34The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver named Marcus Ford, who was the victim of an
09:40unsolved homicide back in 2020.
09:42How was he killed?
09:43Uh, he was stabbed in the heart.
09:45Just like Rich.
09:47Wait.
09:48Rich murdered Marcus Ford.
09:50Did I just solve the case?
09:51Uh, no.
09:52We were able to alibi Rich out.
09:56He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died.
09:58Medical records say he was so weak that he could barely get out of bed.
10:02Or, that's what he wanted you to think.
10:04Moving on.
10:05Digging up a body is no easy task.
10:07Why would Rich go to all that trouble?
10:08Initially, we thought it was simply the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind.
10:14And in some ways, it was.
10:16But then, we found the tattoo.
10:18At first, it was a little bit difficult to make out exactly what it was.
10:22A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin.
10:25But, when we look back at the case file, there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy.
10:30That's actually kind of sick.
10:31I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist.
10:34I've been meaning to start the sleeve on my other arm.
10:36Like, uh.
10:37To my collaborator's point, lots of people have tattoos.
10:40What was it about this one that jumped out at you?
10:43Well, something about it was familiar to both of us.
10:46But we couldn't place it.
10:48So, we started asking around.
10:50And the answer couldn't come from a more unlikely place.
10:54I watched the Rich Rally training videos more than any person alive.
10:58So, I recognized the symbol immediately.
11:02Sometimes, citizens panic when they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones.
11:07That is why we always advise the public to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing.
11:13Well, most missing person reports stem from a lapse in communication.
11:16Every once in a while, you'll encounter a true, workable case.
11:21Officer, help! My sister is missing!
11:24When's the last time you saw her?
11:25Last night at the bar.
11:26Her boyfriend said she never made it home.
11:29You always want to take a report like this one?
11:32Seriously.
11:33So, Rich hid the same symbol in his training videos that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim.
11:38What did you think that meant?
11:40Uh, I don't know.
11:42I can't believe I'm saying this, but Smitty was right.
11:44In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol was hidden in the background.
11:48Although, the instructions to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person are wildly outdated.
11:54Anyways, it got me thinking.
11:56What if Rich put messages in other videos?
11:59What kind of messages?
12:00I'm not totally sure yet.
12:02I binged every single Rich training video I could get my hands on.
12:05Yeah, it's been a fun few nights.
12:06And I did find a few other possible leads, but there's a problem.
12:09The department's archive is incomplete, and without all of the videos,
12:12I can't be sure that I'm not missing a vital piece of information.
12:15So, what happened to the missing videos?
12:17So, when the training topics in the videos become outdated because of new laws or protocols,
12:22the department has to make new ones.
12:24And the obsolete videos are supposed to be digitized and archived for historical record.
12:29But Rich is... were just gone.
12:32Gone as then destroyed?
12:34Like a cover-up?
12:35No one's saying that.
12:37Most likely it was a human error.
12:38You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them.
12:41I tried reaching out to the production company that made the videos to see if they had any copies left.
12:46But bad news is, they went out of business a few years back and auctioned off all their equipment.
12:52What's the good news?
12:53Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, and I actually know the person who purchased the studio's old
13:00hard drives.
13:00Careful, I'm very ticklish. Like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
13:04Same.
13:05I hear it's, um, a sign of intelligence.
13:07Is that a fact?
13:09Then I am smart as the dickens.
13:11So, you purchased hard drives from Speak Now Studios?
13:14Yeah, Dropout was still in its infancy.
13:17I was building the company from the ground up.
13:19We had to be smart about how we were spending our money.
13:21We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand.
13:24Hard drives, cameras, wigs.
13:26Wait, wait.
13:27You bought secondhand wigs?
13:29Give them a little shake before we put them on.
13:31That's awesome.
13:31Do you still have that wig connect?
13:33Because I'd love a referral.
13:34My guy is...
13:36Back on track.
13:37Uh, the hard drives you bought contain police training videos.
13:40Did you happen to watch any of them?
13:41Of course.
13:42Rich Rowley, right?
13:44We were obsessed with those videos.
13:45We probably watched them like a dozen times.
13:48I'm Rich Rowley, and this is Survive the Streets.
13:52That's great.
13:52Vic can do the best impression.
13:54Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us?
13:57I totally would, but I can't because we wiped all of those hard drives to use as servers months ago.
14:03Sorry, I couldn't be a more help.
14:05You'll still feature this interview, right?
14:08Yeah, probably not.
14:10Wait, you said you and the dropout crew watched the video like dozens of times, right?
14:14Yes, sometimes on an edible.
14:16Mostly sober.
14:17I have an idea.
14:18Okay, so then he'd be like,
14:19Don't forget to check the closet, you'll die.
14:21So, I don't know.
14:22I think it's a little bit more like,
14:23If you forget to check the closet, Freddie, Jason, and Chucky will rip off your scrum.
14:28Okay, I think there's less foot stuff.
14:30I feel like he's like,
14:31And then your crazy met the ex-girlfriend who's been hiding in the hallway closet will chainsaw your face when
14:37you get home because you forgot to clear the room.
14:39Clear the room!
14:40Check the room!
14:41I think he was so close to pulling out a gun.
14:43I'm rich!
14:43What are you guys doing?
14:44That's a great question.
14:45They're reenacting the police training videos since you guys wiped them off your hard drive.
14:48Oh, the Rich Rowley ones!
14:50Those are so funny.
14:51I actually stole one of the hard drives so I can watch it when I'm in the tub.
14:54Can you talk about your time, man?
14:55A little self-care, you know.
14:57Trying to relax a little more.
14:58It's not working.
14:59Can we have it?
15:00If you want to borrow it, I could, you know.
15:02No, I think this is actually working great.
15:04Okay.
15:05You can keep this up.
15:06Clearing the room!
15:07Help us.
15:08Okay, I finally finished watching all of the Rich training videos and there is a lot.
15:12Um, take lesson 277.
15:19My Azaleas!
15:20A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson was found stabbed near a ski resort.
15:26You're kidding.
15:27No.
15:27And in lesson 290, Rich is holding a folder with a post-it note on the back with a brown
15:32star drawn on it.
15:33I'm lost.
15:34Right.
15:34So, I looked up the cold cases to see if there were any victims with names like Star or Stella,
15:40and there was one hit, Stella Brown, also found stabbed in the chest.
15:45In all, Lucy found clues pointing to seven different cold cases.
15:50But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims in police training videos?
15:53Based on what we could piece together, he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy,
15:57a series of connected murders committed by person or persons unknown.
16:01If that were the case, why not just report his suspicion?
16:03He was a cop for 30 years.
16:05Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking.
16:12So, unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand.
16:16But why did he think the murders were connected?
16:18Well, for starters, they were all stabbed in the chest.
16:20But more importantly, each victim was found with a penny either in or on their person.
16:25What do you mean in?
16:26One had a penny in her stomach.
16:28Another had one shoved up his nose.
16:30Stella Brown looked out.
16:32Hers was just clasped in her hand.
16:33And when we reexamined Marcus Ford's corpse, the Emmy found one inserted into the heel of his left foot.
16:40Why?
16:41Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930?
16:44Okay.
16:44Well, I just got goosebumps.
16:46Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed close to 50 pennies before he died.
16:50Gross.
16:51So, at this point, was your theory...
16:53I actually have no idea what the theory would have been.
16:55Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the mark.
16:58Which we were about to discover when we got access to his cloud account.
17:03Okay.
17:05We may have finally found it.
17:07I am so close to getting some real answers.
17:13See that?
17:25Oh, my God.
17:29Oh, my God.
17:33Oh, my God.
17:35No!
17:35No!
17:37No!
17:38No!
17:38No!
17:39The guy pretending to be dead breaking into a secure military facility doesn't seem like the best idea.
17:45No, he wasn't just breaking into any military facility.
17:49It was Area 67.
17:50What does that mean?
17:51That's where the government keeps the aliens.
18:19That's where the government keeps the aliens.
18:21That's where the government keeps the aliens behind him.
18:22Were you familiar with Area 67?
18:25I'd heard of it.
18:26Yeah.
18:26There's this AM radio station I used to listen to back in Foxburg.
18:30Kept me awake when I was working late.
18:32The host was obsessed with UFOs.
18:35Val's Velvet Bunker?
18:36That's the one.
18:37He was a little bit out there, but always entertaining.
18:41Area 51 is theater.
18:44Do you believe, do you really believe the most secretive military installation in the world would let itself become a
18:52tourist attraction?
18:53No, no, no, no.
18:54Area 51 is the distraction.
18:57Area 67 is the real deal.
19:00You know why California has all those earthquakes?
19:02It's not San Andreas fault, my friends.
19:05It's the sonic resonance from Area 67 underground testing chambers.
19:11Did you believe in his theories?
19:12No, no.
19:14Like I said, just entertainment.
19:16Let's hear from a caller.
19:17Hi, name's John.
19:18Long time listener, fourth time caller.
19:20Hey, John from Foxburg.
19:21Welcome back.
19:22What have you got for us tonight?
19:23I swear to God, I just saw a UFO.
19:28John is such a common name.
19:31I'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life.
19:34You are.
19:35Yeah.
19:35I mean, it's a big universe.
19:37Anything could be out there.
19:38I don't know.
19:39People who claim to have seen aliens tend to be a little off.
19:42You were friends with a corpse, right?
19:43Well, yeah, we were more than friends, but fair enough.
19:46Okay.
19:47Legally, is it necrophilia if she only did over the clothes stuff?
19:50That's a great question.
19:51Oh, I definitely believe.
19:53In fact, I've been abducted by aliens.
19:57Really?
19:58Multiple times.
19:59Apparently, I'm a fascinating subject.
20:03I remember the last time Smitty was abducted.
20:06Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas and woke up in Wisconsin.
20:09Missing time.
20:11One of the hallmarks of alien abductions had been stricken.
20:15Point is, the government had little gray men in their secret labs for decades.
20:21What are they doing with them?
20:23They're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting hosts and taking over their bodies.
20:27You just never know who might be one of them.
20:32Some people in the station believed Rich stabbed himself to kill an alien parasite.
20:37But I wouldn't say that was a dominant theory.
20:41It wasn't long before we figured out Rich believed something darker.
20:44And it was connected to the seven murders.
20:47Then why did Rich break into the army base?
20:49Yes, I remember the incident. Rich Rowley cut through a fence.
20:53He trespassed on government property.
20:55He was promptly apprehended and sent on his way.
20:58Do you have any idea what Rich was looking for?
21:00As it turns out, he was looking for me.
21:03But not because of any alleged aliens.
21:06So, why did he come?
21:10This part is a little bit embarrassing.
21:14Before I found my calling in the military, I thought that I wanted to be an actor.
21:19And I was in a few DTV movies.
21:23What's DTV?
21:24You're so young.
21:25Direct to video.
21:26They made all these super cheap movies back in the 80s and 90s.
21:30You make them as cheaply as possible and then hope that someone was drawn in enough by the cover art
21:35to rent them.
21:37A guy can't have a side gig?
21:38Totally. How did you get into acting?
21:40Some director scouted me when I pulled him over.
21:43He said I had a bitchin' bod.
21:46Well, he wasn't wrong.
21:47But I gave it up.
21:49Because the people of this city needed a savior.
21:53Yeah, you are the model of public service.
21:55Right?
21:56Anyway, Rich became interested in this terrible B-movie that I was in.
22:02I played a monk.
22:03It was called 300 Days of Hell.
22:09Terrible B-movie?
22:10That's what he called it?
22:11300 Days of Hell is the scariest film of the 1990s.
22:15Really?
22:15The Ring, Scream, Blair Witch Project?
22:17Which one of us executive produced a horror movie?
22:19Trust me.
22:21THDOH is true nightmare fuel.
22:23It's not that scary.
22:25She made me watch at the beginning of our relationship.
22:28When he was still trying to impress me.
22:31You want to watch it again tonight?
22:33I would.
22:35Totally.
22:36I do have plans, though.
22:39Yeah, I'm not watching that crap.
22:41Even if it is for a case.
22:42I see enough horror on the job.
22:45That being said, 300 Days of Hell was our first real window into the rabbit hole that Rich had gone
22:51down.
22:51A rabbit hole filled with demons.
22:53Or rather, a demon.
22:55So Rich believed a demon had killed all those people?
22:57No, the killers were definitely human.
22:59Killers, plural.
23:00Yeah, there was different trace DNA on all the bodies.
23:03All from different subjects.
23:04And none of them were in the system.
23:07Meaning?
23:07The murders were committed by a group of people with shared beliefs.
23:11A murder cult.
23:12The cult believed a demon named Malefus had been possessing people all across the city.
23:17Jumping from host to host.
23:18And it was up to them to stop it.
23:26The legend of Malefus is centuries old.
23:29The first mention we see of him is 1433's Lesser Grimoire of Solomon by Slovenian Inquisitor Terentius Bruma.
23:38A reference text of demons and their attributes.
23:42Gnarly.
23:43Right?
23:44He's also known as the deceiver, the infestor, and demon of 300 days.
23:50Why?
23:50Once summoned to Earth, Malefus won't rest until he finds a human host.
23:54After possession begins, he incubates.
23:58300 days.
23:59What happens after 300 days?
24:01He reaches full strength and his power becomes uncontainable.
24:06Uh-oh.
24:08Um, if Malefus was summoned to Earth, how would one stop him?
24:12Bruma suggests killing the host might slow Malefus down.
24:16Forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host.
24:20A process that also can be slowed by the use of copper.
24:25It was the pennies.
24:26The pennies.
24:27It all came back to the pennies.
24:29Before 1984, US pennies were 95% copper.
24:33So the copper in the pennies was meant to bind the demon, but what about the 1930 part?
24:37Are you familiar with numerology?
24:41Some ancient peoples, and Taylor Swift, believed there was a mystical connection between letters and numbers.
24:49Using the Chaldean method, the name Malefus becomes a digit 1930.
24:54So you're saying...
24:55We had a theory.
24:56Whoever killed those people believed the victims were possessed by Malefus.
25:01They had to reach Malefus's host before he reached his true form.
25:06A 1930 penny was the perfect tool.
25:08Yeah.
25:09Rich's talk of, it's inside me, it won't let me die.
25:12He thought he was infested by this demon too, and that's why he killed himself.
25:16Wait.
25:17I thought Rich didn't believe in Malefus.
25:19Isn't that why he was trying to stop the cult?
25:20Well, yes, but I mean, years of obsession and paranoia can do a number on a person's psyche.
25:25I mean, it seems as though in the end, Rich could no longer distinguish fantasy from reality.
25:30And you got this theory from Rich's files?
25:31Well, I mean, we actually got it from Elvis.
25:34And they say, watching old horror movies isn't a good use of time.
25:38I never said that.
25:48Are we safe, brother?
25:50Is Malefus banished?
25:52His sigil is drawn.
25:54The right is spoken.
25:56We have sealed his last human vessel with copper.
26:06Heav'n forgive us.
26:08Indeed.
26:10For hell will not.
26:13Midnight.
26:15The 300th day.
26:18Our task was done none too soon.
26:33Sam.
26:38Ah.
26:41Uh, uh.
26:43Uh.
26:44Uh.
26:44Uh.
26:46Uh.
26:47Uh.
26:48Yeah, that was me.
26:51Do you guys want a glass?
26:53Don't.
26:53You got anything stronger?
26:56Fine.
26:56I'll just take a glass.
26:59okay i'll just i'll have nothing actually no fun for me yeah that was my first big movie role
27:06well my only one really rich was so excited when i told him i booked it he helped me run
27:14lines did
27:14rich buy into the maliface mythology no weirdly given all the conspiracies that rich believed in
27:20he was a total atheist but i wouldn't have blamed him after everything that happened on that shoot
27:26like what before production wrapped the dp was paralyzed driving to set a stunt person had his
27:35leg amputated there were divorces bankruptcies careers ended one of the actors even died in his
27:42hotel room people say the production was cursed what about you what do you believe i believe the
27:49real curse was the director he was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set
27:55cuts cuts arthur arthur your strangulation it has to be real i want to feel a life draining from him
28:06you you you cannot move from your position not even an inch guys this ritual is extremely specific
28:16okay let's go again okay i thought i was choking you pretty well i'm sorry okay i'm gonna choke you
28:21a
28:22little hard ready douglas was real touchy about the religious stuff i guess he had grown up in some
28:27sort of commune and this was all based on stories he was told growing up okay but what i heard
28:32is
28:32that they accidentally summoned maliface for real the director found some ancient tome and inserted
28:38the incantation and rituals verbatim oh i love that and that's what got me thinking about the penny
28:44killings we found the first victim just a little under 300 days after the summoning ritual was filmed
28:49we knew rich was aware of the maliface legends it was only natural to link them so rich thought that
28:55penny victims were killed by people trying to stop maliface was he able to identify any of these
29:00killers we know he tried hi hey how are you jared hello well um it's a it's a pleasure to
29:09meet you
29:09gentlemen pleasure to meet you too why don't you tell us about yourselves yeah we uh co-starred on a
29:16tv
29:16show together for 15 seasons uh called supernatural yeah we played sam and dean winchester brothers that
29:24uh you know tracked and fought supernatural beings like k-pop demon hunters no no not like that i mean
29:33kind of like that okay can you tell us about your encounter with rich rally yeah yeah yeah rich rally
29:40he
29:40came to a fan event we did last year um at monster con yeah you know those people show up
29:47and they just
29:47want uh the autograph for a photo uh but rich was a different beast altogether yeah yeah he was he
29:56was
29:56super fixated on this one particular episode where we fought a demon maliface yeah uh that one anyway he
30:05seemed to think we like knew more about it than we were saying more about what demon hunting he kept
30:13like asking these super pointed questions like like he was uh testing us or something did you have an
30:20answer no no i mean we didn't we didn't come up with these stories you know we just did what
30:25the writers
30:25wrote it's called acting there's no actual demon hunters in real life exactly uh that's not exactly true
30:33there is at least one and it actually connected to the movie we heard the director brought a priest
30:41named father simon mccabe to bless the set every day before filming well it was either that or the
30:45whole crew was going to walk does that name mean anything to you about 15 years ago lopez and i
30:53had
30:53just finished our rookie years we responded to a call it a house of a priest doing an exorcism with
30:58a 16 year old girl i've been going on for three days
31:00help her please
31:16get away from her
31:19father forgive me
31:27did you feel like you'd seen the devil the only thing in that room that belonged in hell was father
31:31simon he kept saying he had to the whole way to the station i'm sorry i had to i'm sorry
31:37i had to
31:38because he believed she was possessed she had a brain tumor that's what they found after the autopsy
31:44she needed a doctor not an exorcism and he wasn't a man of god he was a killer the courts
31:49agreed so
31:50father simon was convicted of first-degree murder when we processed him we found a penny in his pocket
31:55nothing else just a penny didn't mean anything at the time but after rich connected those seven
32:00murders it seemed likely he was involved involved like he killed them no simon was already in prison
32:06when five of the murders took place and his dna didn't match any that was found on the corpses
32:11but he could have been part of whatever group rich was so afraid of which means he knew more than
32:16he
32:16had told us so we had to go back officers i remember you you you were the ones who tried
32:24to stop the
32:24ritual i just wish we would have gotten here sooner becca scott might still be alive oh she was long
32:29gone before you arrived the demon saw to bat malifas do not say its name in my presence boy you
32:37afraid we may accidentally summon it you may scorn me and my beliefs but i have fought this evil i
32:44know
32:44enough to fear its power what's more evil than murdering a child i took no pleasure in the act
32:51i'm grateful i had the courage to do what was necessary courage tell us about the penny that was in
32:56your pocket in the movie 300 days of hell malifas is sealed inside his host with copper before he can
33:02be killed banished not killed what's the difference the demon is a parasite it needs a host once you
33:11kill the body that inhabits it find a new one becca scott was just a single battle in a larger
33:18war
33:19if you're in here who's doing the fighting now the knights of avila los angeles has a long history of
33:28spiritualism esoteric religions that go back over a hundred years so think alistair crowley jack
33:33parsons l ron hubbard he freaking loves this stuff i do anyway a lot of these groups started out as
33:40fraternal orders similar to the freemasons where people would gather and and share well yeah yes and and
33:47some women and they would share new ideas explore philosophies they also liked partying doing drugs
33:54and performing weird sex rituals sign me up for the intellectual exchanging of ideas obviously so the
34:03nice of avila is one of these groups it was like a lot of the similar organizations at the time
34:08it fell
34:09apart when the founder died it hasn't been active in 60 years then what was father simon talking about
34:14based on tim and lopez's conversation with father simon we began to believe that the group or
34:20at least the name had been revived sometime in the late 90s to the early 2000s and rebranded as some
34:28kind of demon hunting cult so rich was actually right there was a murderous cabal after him it seemed
34:35that way and we were getting close to discovering who their ringleader was
34:40i found him found who doug roberts i want to feel a live training from him oh you mean the
34:48director of
34:48the sad little demon porn where i was going through some old industry trades from around the time thdoh was
34:53slated to come out one of the articles mentioned that roberts was a client of stuart winecliffe at the
34:58golden talent agency the guy hasn't made a movie in 26 years i doubt they still read him not actively
35:03no but i
35:04called their offices and i bribed or like i talked one of the assistants into giving me the address
35:09where his residual checks are sent it's downtown let's go uh hold on you just want to go doorstep
35:14the guy if that means go knock on a door while also filming then yes yeah i'm not in the
35:18business
35:18of gotcha journalism what about the business of making that paper the guap money guy come on the doc
35:27business is oversaturated these days we need footage that pops and what pops more than blindsiding a
35:33potential colt later come on what's the worst that could happen this is it okay um here here's your
35:43camera um i don't operate oh well now you do let's go what floor is it on eight but uh
35:58there's an
35:59elevator don't worry are you sure it's that way yep nope you know at the risk of being called a
36:13scaredy cat you do understand that this is inherently neither a wise nor safe activity you're asking a
36:20woman if she understands that it's inherently dangerous to go anywhere or do anything when you
36:26put it that way i sound like an ass maybe we should come back hey hello douglas roberts we're
36:36here to question you about murders and demons that should get his attention oh i am just an intern
36:47so clearly we're not deceased which means we saved you from certain deaths i'm not sure how certain it
36:54was right oh it felt pretty certain to me please don't kill us we will join your cult is there
36:59a
36:59membership fee or a secret handshake i love a secret handshake ignore her she's not right in the head
37:03in fact she has short-term memory issues so if you let her go now she won't remember any of
37:07this
37:07just shut up no one's going anywhere i mean technically we're all going somewhere
37:15all right let them go get your hands up up against the jeep now let's go
37:26oh yeah thanks for trying to save me even though i'm the one who put us in danger no problem
37:34i was about to do the same thing but you just uh beat me to it i can be noble
37:38too no doubt yeah
37:40i get very claustrophobic can i just point out how claustrophobic i get please so when did you and
37:45douglas meet in the movie he was you know so commanding and driven and everything i wasn't when
37:53did he start talking about killing the demon it was uh at least a year after that he would call
37:59me
37:59late at night and talk about the demon and how scared he was for the world and eventually it
38:05started to make sense and he told you that someone was possessed correct her name was cynthia um
38:14she cried when i tied her up and she kept saying that she was not a demon she begged me
38:19to believe her and
38:25at that point he was very deep in my head and then tonight you know all the lies he was
38:31spewing at the
38:31end it was like somebody turned on the light switch i could just see him for who he was so
38:38pathetic
38:42we'll need you to write up a detailed confession
38:49i would like to make a deal
38:52uh we have already located your co-conspirators you don't really have anything to offer
38:59you don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like
39:03i am all that stands between the world and damnation so all of the people that you had
39:10targeted they had to die for the greater good yes and my heart breaks for each of them
39:18but i will not let innocence fall to perdition okay have you had your fill of bs god yes okay
39:25me too
39:25so uh first victim cynthia green you dated for two years before she cheated on you
39:32marcus ford he worked as a teamster on your movie then later sued you for non-payment
39:37pamela jones wrote a scathing review of your movie really i had no idea all seven victims were people
39:46who wronged you in some way you don't even believe in the demon you just used it as a tool
39:51to get
39:52people with weak minds to do your dirty work for you exactly i was the director i think you'll find
40:00i
40:02never laid a finger on any of the victims and i think he will find that manson died in prison
40:10all right uh anything else no i think we got everything okay that was a crazy one huh tell me
40:19about it and look thanks so much for all of your time and for saving our lives anything from my
40:24favorite
40:24documentarian actually the only documentarian i know not true i'm a documentarian too of course yes oh
40:29speaking of how did this whole uh working together thing go is this the start of a beautiful
40:36friendship i don't know i mean we have very different styles and instincts and well basically
40:42everything but i'd be able to do another collaboration oh um it's just i uh i kind of signed an
40:51exclusive
40:51three film deal with hulu what yeah i um i sent them a sizzle reel of this project just the
40:57me parts
40:58and uh they freaked said i'm gonna be the new face of true crime their words wow i mean you'd
41:04probably
41:04be able to bring him along though right oh totally totally i gotta go but uh thanks again hello no
41:15i said
41:16toronto and then camp she'll probably call you
41:20thank you
41:22and i
41:22all right
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