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00:00Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
00:36Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
01:00Viktor Orbán's anti-LGBTQ laws in Hungary
01:04in breach of the EU's values of equality and minority rights.
01:09And US President Donald Trump says he has extended the ceasefire with Iran
01:14until negotiations between both sides conclude.
01:18It came as the White House put Vice President J.D. Vance's trip to Pakistan
01:22for a second round of talks on hold.
01:24Amid the energy crisis, the EU says it could import jet fuel
01:28from alternative suppliers, such as the US, to avoid potential shortages.
01:34But first, to our top story this morning,
01:37because Kyiv says that the Drushba pipeline,
01:40which was damaged in Ukraine three months ago,
01:43can now resume operation.
01:45It's set to end months of standoff,
01:49pitting Hungary and Slovakia against Ukraine.
01:51Our correspondent, Shandor Shiros, is with me in the studio
01:56to discuss the details.
01:57Shandor, good morning.
01:59This announcement from Zelensky yesterday
02:01that the Drushba pipeline can now, in principle,
02:05return to operation could prove to be quite significant.
02:08Yes, I completely agree.
02:10So this is the pipeline that brings cheap Russian oil
02:14through Ukraine to Hungary and to Slovakia.
02:16And it has been shut down at the end of January by a Russian strike
02:21and has not been repaired ever since until yesterday.
02:25But yesterday, Zelensky announced the repair in a tweet.
02:28He said that Ukraine has completed repair work
02:31on the sections of the Drushba oil pipeline
02:34that was damaged by a Russian strike.
02:36The pipeline can resume operation.
02:39Now, this step could end tensions
02:42between Hungary, Slovakia and Ukraine.
02:44And also, this issue caused huge tensions
02:48in the European Union
02:49because Hungary blocked the EU's 90 billion aid package
02:53to Ukraine because of the Drushba issue.
02:55Now, everything can be fixed, hopefully.
02:58When the oil will start to flow,
03:00Hungary will lift its veto.
03:02It could happen today
03:03at the EU's ambassadors' meeting in Brussels.
03:07And right after, the Commission could send the money to Ukraine
03:10because they said that they did their paperwork already.
03:15We've been doing all the technical work on our side
03:19to make sure that once all the steps are in place,
03:23we will be losing no time.
03:26And Sándor, this obviously has caused
03:28a big political earthquake.
03:31When it comes to the politics behind this,
03:34how do you interpret this move now
03:36from Zelensky to unblock this?
03:38Well, we can only guess for the moment
03:40what we know so far
03:42that Hungary and Slovakia
03:43from the beginning accused Ukraine
03:45of using the Drushba issue
03:46for political blackmailing
03:48and to cut Russian oil flows to Europe.
03:52On the other hand,
03:53Ukraine also said that
03:54it's technically a very difficult issue
03:56to repair this pipeline
03:58and it could take months.
04:00But for the record,
04:01Zelensky said that
04:02he would not repair the pipeline in March,
04:05he said,
04:05because he's financing Russia's war.
04:08And it's also true that,
04:10you know,
04:10Ukraine never accepted
04:12independent European experts
04:14on the ground to check the situation.
04:16But the timing is very interesting
04:18and very important.
04:19We are 10 days
04:20after the Hungarian elections.
04:22Viktor Orbán,
04:24who has been absolutely hostile
04:26towards Ukraine,
04:27has been removed from the power.
04:29And Peter Magyar,
04:30who could be more flexible,
04:32will get the new government.
04:34So this could be a signal
04:35also from Ukraine
04:37to, you know,
04:38in a way,
04:39settle this situation.
04:40I would like to have
04:41one final sentence on Orbán
04:44because it's very interesting
04:45what Orbán is doing
04:46by lifting the veto.
04:48He's keeping his word
04:49and he's also removing obstacles
04:52from the future government
04:53of Peter Magyar.
04:55OK, Sándor,
04:56thank you so much for that.
04:58And we will be keeping an eye out,
04:59of course,
04:59for the outcome
05:00of that meeting
05:01of EU ambassadors later today.
05:03But now,
05:04moving on,
05:05EU foreign ministers
05:06gathered in Luxembourg yesterday
05:08in what was
05:09the first major EU meeting
05:11since Viktor Orbán's
05:13electoral defeat.
05:14The outgoing foreign minister,
05:16Peter Siarto,
05:17skipped the talks.
05:19Orbán is also expected
05:20to skip a gathering
05:21of EU leaders
05:22in Cyprus on Friday.
05:23During yesterday's meeting
05:25of foreign ministers,
05:26they failed to agree
05:27on proposals
05:28by Ireland,
05:29Spain and Slovenia
05:30to suspend
05:30the EU-Israel Association
05:32agreement
05:32over the deteriorating
05:34situation in Gaza
05:35and ongoing violence
05:37against Palestinians
05:37in the West Bank.
05:39Back from Luxembourg
05:41and joining me
05:41in the studio this morning
05:42is our correspondent,
05:43Shauna Murray.
05:44Shauna,
05:45briefly,
05:45bring us up to speed
05:46on that meeting yesterday
05:47and tell us about
05:48your interview
05:48with the Luxembourgish
05:50foreign minister.
05:51That's right.
05:51So, EU foreign affairs ministers,
05:53the numbers weren't there
05:54to pass this proposal
05:56to suspend
05:57the Israel-EU Association
05:59agreement in relation
06:00to alleged war crimes
06:01in Lebanon
06:01and also across Palestine.
06:03But there will be
06:04a proposal from Sweden
06:05and France
06:05to potentially ban goods
06:07from settlement areas.
06:08That will be looked at
06:09by Mara Sefcovic,
06:11the EU trade commissioner.
06:12But I also caught up
06:13with Xavier Battelle,
06:14who is Luxembourg's
06:15foreign affairs minister.
06:17And at the time
06:17when we were chatting,
06:18the European Court of Justice
06:20emerged with this ruling
06:21which said that
06:21Viktor Orban's
06:23anti-LGBT law
06:25in Hungary back in 2021
06:27was actually deemed
06:28a breach of EU law.
06:29And I asked Xavier Battelle
06:30about this
06:31because he was
06:31former prime minister
06:33of Luxembourg
06:33and he once addressed
06:35this issue
06:35with Viktor Orban
06:36directly.
06:39It's not the fact
06:40that I'm gay
06:41that I just fight
06:42for gay rights,
06:42but it's the fact
06:43that I fight
06:43for minorities
06:44and it's always
06:48easier to fight
06:49against the smallest group
06:51in some countries.
06:52And for me,
06:52European Union
06:53is a peace project
06:54but it's also
06:55rule of law
06:55and the rights
06:57of minorities.
06:59And I don't like
07:00to teach
07:01other continents
07:01if on my own continent
07:03in my own family
07:04I have people
07:05blaming me
07:06for being gay.
07:07And as I told
07:08to Viktor Orban
07:09at that moment
07:09it was not my choice
07:10and the most difficult
07:11part of that
07:12was to accept myself
07:13and then to get blamed
07:14because I'm
07:17different for him.
07:18And you know,
07:18as I said,
07:19being gay is not a choice
07:20but being homophobic
07:21is a choice
07:22and to do politics
07:24by blaming someone
07:25reminds me
07:27seriously
07:28that how it starts
07:29also with Jewish people
07:30and then
07:32with gypsies
07:33and etc.
07:33So
07:35I want to be
07:36intolerant to intolerance.
07:37That's the only
07:38intolerance I accept
07:39and I will fight for that
07:41and I remember
07:41I told also
07:42in the meeting
07:43and I shouldn't speak
07:43about the meetings
07:44but I told to
07:45Viktor at that moment
07:46when he wants
07:47also a ban
07:50about
07:50in Hungary
07:51to speak
07:52even about
07:54LGBTI questions
07:55that I didn't become gay
07:56because I watch TV.
07:57What was Viktor Orban's
07:58response to you?
08:00Because you were
08:00equals
08:01you were both
08:02prime ministers
08:02of your country.
08:03You know,
08:04it was a very
08:05clear answer
08:06from Viktor
08:07because usually
08:07he always answer
08:08and he did not answer.
08:10He didn't say anything.
08:12And in the
08:13meeting room
08:14there was a silence
08:15when I took the floor
08:16to...
08:16It was not in the agenda
08:17and I took the floor
08:19I asked Charles
08:19to be able
08:20to raise the topic
08:21and I raised it
08:23but...
08:23And I'm not
08:24you know
08:24I'm not the gay prime minister
08:26I'm prime minister
08:26and I was prime minister
08:28and I am gay
08:28and it's just the fact
08:30that I wanted to tell him
08:31how I feel
08:32the situation
08:32for in fact
08:34the people
08:34who have no opportunity
08:35to tell it to him
08:36that's the people
08:36living in his own country
08:38and being considered
08:39as not normal.
08:41But this is a momentous
08:42foreign affairs council
08:43because the last one
08:45back in February
08:45was just a torrid affair
08:48because Peter Giarto
08:49the Hungarian foreign minister
08:51who's not actually
08:52showing up here today
08:53was blocking
08:54the 90 billion euro loan
08:56for Ukraine
08:56blocking access
08:57to the European peace facility
08:59blocking the sanctions
09:00blocking progress
09:01on Ukrainian membership
09:02of the European Union.
09:03I'm very honest
09:04as you know
09:05maybe the boss of diplomacy
09:06but not the most diplomatic
09:08but I'm always honest
09:09I said to Peter
09:10that they moved
09:11in a direction
09:12where most of us
09:13are counting the days
09:15till the elections
09:15in Hungary
09:16are going to happen
09:17and this was
09:18this is not good.
09:19You said that to Peter Giarto
09:20at the last foreign affairs council
09:22and what did he say to you?
09:23No answer
09:25but I meant it
09:27that they moved
09:28in that direction
09:28so they made it
09:30for most of us
09:32counting the days
09:33and this is not
09:33this is never good
09:34when you just hope
09:35that there will be
09:35a change of government
09:37to be able to move on
09:39and so that's the reason
09:40why I really promote
09:41for a lot of topics
09:43in foreign policies
09:44to be able to have
09:45a majority vote
09:46and not unanimity.
09:47This is not good
09:48when one country
09:49can bloke on foreign policy.
09:50We have today
09:51also later in the day
09:53discussions
09:53about the Middle East
09:54I hope we will be able
09:55to have an agreement
09:56but usually we are not
09:57even able
09:58to sanction settlers
10:00and when we see
10:01what's happening
10:03in Palestine
10:04and in Israel
10:05and in the West Bank
10:06it's a shame
10:07when we see
10:07what's happening
10:08in Lebanon
10:08and this is
10:10where sometimes
10:11it's very frustrating.
10:13Just finally
10:13on the Strait of Ormus
10:15I mean it sort of
10:15changes every hour
10:17but from an EU
10:19NATO perspective
10:20what do you think
10:20can actually be done?
10:22But the fact is
10:23you know
10:23to say NATO
10:24NATO is a defensive
10:26it's not an offensive
10:27union
10:28it's a defensive union
10:29if one country
10:30is attacked
10:30that the other
10:31will help it.
10:32Article 5
10:32for the moment
10:33there is no attack
10:35against the NATO countries
10:37it was an attack
10:38from NATO countries
10:39and also from Israel
10:41against Iran
10:41that's the reality
10:42we can't change the history
10:43and we have not been
10:45consulted before
10:46to know if we would
10:47love to join
10:47or not to join
10:48so I think
10:49we should not be
10:50part of the war
10:51but if we can be
10:53part of the solution
10:54that because
10:55something for
10:56the boats
10:56but
10:57and don't forget
10:58we speak
10:58a lot of countries
11:00are now just
11:00interested in
11:01in petrol
11:02but we should not
11:03forget that
11:04there is even
11:04humanitarian aid
11:05which is not
11:06able to go up
11:07so there will be
11:08millions of people
11:08who won't get food
11:10because of it
11:10so and we cannot
11:11say to the
11:12we cannot let
11:13Iran's the side
11:14of millions
11:15of people
11:16who need
11:16humanitarian support
11:20moving on now
11:21US President
11:22Donald Trump
11:23has said overnight
11:24he will extend
11:25the ceasefire
11:26in the war
11:26on Iran
11:27until negotiations
11:28progress
11:29and Tehran
11:29puts forward
11:30a proposal
11:31for more
11:32we can bring in
11:32Euronews'
11:33Laila Humaira
11:35who's in Doha
11:36for us this morning
11:37good morning Laila
11:38great to have you
11:38on the show
11:39bring us up to speed
11:41if you can
11:42on what happened
11:43overnight
11:46that's right
11:46Maret
11:47good morning to you
11:48guys in Brussels
11:48as well
11:49we were watching
11:50very closely
11:50what was going
11:51to happen
11:51with these
11:52negotiation talks
11:53and with the
11:54ceasefire deadline
11:55looming
11:56as you said
11:57President Donald
11:58Trump
11:59late on Tuesday
12:00our time
12:00posted to Truth
12:01Social
12:02and here was
12:02what he had to
12:03say
12:04we have been
12:05and I quote
12:05we have been
12:06asked to hold
12:07our attack
12:08on the country
12:08of Iran
12:09I have therefore
12:10directed our
12:11military to
12:12continue the
12:13blockade
12:13and remain ready
12:14and will therefore
12:15extend the ceasefire
12:16until such time
12:18as their proposal
12:19is submitted
12:20and discussions
12:21are concluded
12:22one way
12:23or the other
12:24end quote
12:24now that puts
12:25the ball back
12:26in Tehran's turf
12:27there have been
12:28no official response
12:29from Iran
12:30as of yet
12:31but that's where
12:32we stand
12:32an extension
12:33to the ceasefire
12:34until Iran
12:35puts forward
12:36a proposal
12:37and Laila
12:38despite this
12:39truce now
12:40the situation
12:41in the Strait of Hormuz
12:42remains
12:43very volatile
12:46yes absolutely
12:47and since
12:49Saturday
12:49ships
12:50tankers
12:50and oil
12:51vessels
12:51have
12:52essentially
12:53found themselves
12:53back to square
12:54one
12:55idling in the
12:55waters of the
12:56Persian Gulf
12:57and the Gulf
12:58of Oman
12:59we had the
12:59Iranian Foreign
13:00Minister
13:00Abbas Arachi
13:01saying the
13:01US blockade
13:02is an act
13:03of war
13:04meanwhile
13:05US naval
13:05forces have
13:06said that
13:07it's directed
13:0728 vessels
13:08to turn
13:09around
13:11under
13:11this
13:12Iranian
13:12port
13:13blockade
13:14they have
13:14also seized
13:15at least
13:15one
13:16Iranian
13:16linked
13:17vessel
13:17in the
13:18Gulf
13:18waters
13:19and another
13:19in the
13:20Indo-Pacific
13:20region
13:21but there's
13:21also been
13:22a development
13:22in the
13:23waters
13:23as well
13:23in the
13:23last hour
13:24or so
13:24the UK
13:25maritime trade
13:26operations
13:27reported
13:28an incident
13:28northeast
13:29of Oman
13:30and after
13:30that the
13:31Iranian
13:31state
13:31media
13:32reported
13:33that it
13:33had enforced
13:34what it
13:34called
13:34maritime law
13:36on a
13:37container ship
13:37that had
13:38been ignoring
13:38repeated
13:39warnings
13:40okay
13:41Laila
13:41Humaira
13:42there for
13:42us
13:42in Doha
13:43thank you
13:43so much
13:44for that
13:45update
13:45but now
13:46Sana Marin
13:47became
13:47Finland's
13:48youngest
13:49prime
13:49minister
13:49at the
13:50age
13:50of
13:50just
13:5034
13:51during
13:52her
13:52tenure
13:52she
13:53oversaw
13:53major
13:54shifts
13:54in
13:55Finland's
13:55foreign
13:55policy
13:56including
13:57its
13:57accession
13:58to
13:58NATO
13:58in
13:59the
13:59wake
13:59of
13:59Russia's
13:59invasion
14:00of
14:00Ukraine
14:01our
14:01Europe
14:02editor
14:02Maria
14:02Tadeo
14:03sat
14:03down
14:03with
14:03Sana
14:04Marin
14:04yesterday
14:05and
14:05started
14:06by asking
14:06her
14:07about
14:07Peter
14:07Madja's
14:08victory
14:08over
14:09Orban
14:09in
14:09Hungary
14:09and
14:10what
14:10it
14:10could
14:11mean
14:11both
14:11for
14:11Hungary
14:12and
14:12the
14:12European
14:13Union
14:13I
14:14think
14:14it
14:15gives
14:15hope
14:15to
14:16Europe
14:16and
14:16I
14:16know
14:17that
14:17I
14:17am
14:18and
14:18I
14:18know
14:18that
14:18many
14:19in
14:19Hungary
14:19and
14:19many
14:20in
14:20Europe
14:20are
14:21relieved
14:22with
14:23this
14:23outcome
14:23of
14:24the
14:24election
14:24of
14:24the
14:24Hungarian
14:25parliamentary
14:25elections
14:26because
14:26it
14:27also
14:27gives
14:28now
14:28much
14:29more
14:29space
14:29of
14:29solutions
14:31about
14:32Ukraine
14:32We
14:33all
14:33know
14:33that
14:33Orban
14:34has
14:34have
14:35Ukraine
14:35under
14:36his
14:36pressure
14:37on
14:37many
14:38occasions
14:38and
14:39many
14:39situations
14:39so
14:39of
14:40course
14:40we
14:40hope
14:40that
14:40now
14:41things
14:41will
14:41flow
14:42forward
14:42and
14:43also
14:43I
14:43think
14:44it's
14:44hope
14:44for
14:44Hungarian
14:45people
14:46and
14:46of
14:46course
14:47you
14:47were
14:47prime
14:47minister
14:48of
14:49Finland
14:49you
14:50sat
14:50at
14:50the
14:51European
14:51Council
14:51you
14:51also
14:52sat
14:52with
14:53Viktor
14:53Orban
14:53over
14:53the
14:54past
14:54few
14:54weeks
14:55we've
14:55seen
14:55tapes
14:56that
14:56leaked
14:56of
14:57alleged
14:57conversations
14:58and
14:58some
14:58of
14:58them
14:58caught
14:59on
14:59tape
14:59very
14:59openly
15:00between
15:00the
15:01Hungarians
15:01and
15:01the
15:01Russians
15:02is
15:02that
15:02something
15:03that
15:03you
15:03suspected
15:03and
15:04is
15:05it
15:05just
15:05a
15:06red
15:06line
15:06has
15:06been
15:07crossed
15:07already
15:07the
15:08idea
15:08that
15:08this
15:08communication
15:09was
15:09certainly
15:16European
15:16Council
15:16and
15:17we
15:17have
15:17had
15:18many
15:18difficult
15:19situations
15:20and
15:20discussions
15:21for
15:21example
15:21concerning
15:22Finland's
15:22and
15:23Sweden's
15:23NATO
15:23membership
15:24Hungary
15:25was
15:25a
15:27second
15:28of
15:29the
15:29last
15:29countries
15:29that
15:30ratified
15:31our
15:31NATO
15:31membership
15:32and
15:33there
15:33have
15:33been
15:34many
15:34situations
15:35and
15:36we
15:37know
15:37that
15:38Orban
15:39has
15:39very
15:40different
15:40view
15:40on
15:41the
15:41war
15:41in
15:42Ukraine
15:42and
15:43also
15:44for
15:44example
15:44rule of
15:45law
15:45applying
15:46rule
15:46of
15:46law
15:46in
15:46Europe
15:47said
15:48objectively
15:49Ukraine
15:49can
15:50win
15:50it
15:52Ukraine
15:53must
15:53win
15:53it
15:55if
15:56Ukraine
15:56doesn't
15:57win
15:58the
15:58war
15:58or
15:59have
15:59an
16:01outcome
16:02on
16:02peace
16:03negotiations
16:03that
16:04will
16:04be
16:04sustainable
16:05that
16:06would
16:06be
16:06fair
16:06for
16:07the
16:07Ukrainian
16:08citizens
16:08and
16:09that
16:09will
16:09provide
16:10security
16:11to
16:11Europe
16:12and
16:12to
16:12Ukraine
16:13in
16:13the
16:13future
16:13if
16:14we
16:14won't
16:14have
16:14that
16:15we
16:15as
16:16Europe
16:16we
16:16are
16:17under
16:17jeopardy
16:18because
16:18Russia
16:19is
16:20as
16:20we
16:20speak
16:21they
16:21are
16:21preparing
16:22themselves
16:23they're
16:23modernizing
16:24their
16:24army
16:24and
16:25they're
16:25preparing
16:25themselves
16:26to
16:26much
16:27wider
16:28fight
16:29they're
16:29preparing
16:29for war
16:30with
16:30Europe
16:30the
16:31rest of
16:31the
16:32continent
16:32I
16:32wouldn't
16:32rule
16:33that
16:33out
16:33and
16:34we
16:34also
16:34need
16:34to
16:34prepare
16:35and
16:35for
16:36that
16:36we
16:36need
16:36strong
16:37Ukraine
16:37because
16:38Ukraine
16:38has
16:38the
16:38largest
16:39most
16:40functional
16:40and
16:41modern
16:41army
16:42with
16:42modern
16:43warfare
16:43experience
16:44and
16:44without
16:45Ukraine
16:45we
16:45are
16:45vulnerable
16:46we
16:46need
16:47their
16:47lessons
16:47learned
16:47we
16:48need
16:48their
16:48help
16:48and
16:49we
16:49need
16:49to
16:49understand
16:50that
16:50we
16:50are
16:51as
16:51dependent
16:51on
16:52Ukraine
16:52and
16:52Ukrainian
16:53capabilities
16:54that
16:54Ukraine
16:54is
16:55dependent
16:55on
16:56our
16:56help
16:56and
16:57you
16:57mentioned
16:57NATO
16:57there
16:58has
16:58been
16:58a
16:58lot
16:58of
16:59friction
16:59over
16:59the
16:59past
17:00few
17:00weeks
17:00certainly
17:00the
17:01president
17:01of
17:01the
17:01US
17:01made
17:02it
17:02very
17:02clear
17:02that
17:02he
17:02believes
17:03the
17:03Europeans
17:04have
17:04done
17:04very
17:04little
17:05in
17:05Iran
17:05and
17:05also
17:05said
17:06that
17:06NATO
17:07without
17:07the
17:07US
17:07is
17:08a
17:08paper
17:08tiger
17:09when
17:09I
17:09hear
17:09this
17:10words
17:10this
17:10is
17:10exactly
17:11what
17:11Russia
17:11would
17:11like
17:12to
17:12hear
17:12NATO
17:13is
17:13a
17:13paper
17:13tiger
17:14and
17:14the
17:14U.S
17:14may
17:14consider
17:15reassessing
17:16their
17:16relationship
17:16how
17:17concerned
17:17are
17:18you
17:18because
17:18a
17:18country
17:19like
17:19yours
17:19certainly
17:20needs
17:20a
17:20strong
17:20NATO
17:22I'm
17:23very
17:24glad
17:24and I
17:25still
17:25support
17:25our
17:25decision
17:26joining
17:26NATO
17:27I
17:27think
17:27it
17:27was
17:27the
17:27right
17:28one
17:28at
17:29the
17:29same
17:29time
17:29we
17:29have
17:29to
17:30understand
17:30and
17:30realize
17:30that
17:31NATO
17:31is
17:31a
17:32different
17:32organization
17:33now
17:33than
17:34it
17:34was
17:34when
17:34we
17:35and
17:35Sweden
17:36joined
17:36because
17:37Trump
17:37is
17:37a
17:37president
17:38because
17:38of
17:39the
17:39changing
17:39relationship
17:40between
17:40US
17:41and
17:42Europe
17:42it
17:42has
17:42already
17:43changed
17:43and
17:44it
17:44is
17:44changing
17:44and
17:45this
17:45is
17:45a
17:45fact
17:45that
17:45we
17:46cannot
17:46escape
17:46and
17:47it
17:47means
17:47that
17:48we
17:48need
17:48to
17:48focus
17:48on
17:48our
17:49own
17:49game
17:49we
17:49cannot
17:50anymore
17:50only
17:51rely
17:51on
17:52the
17:52US
17:52presence
17:53and
17:53US
17:53capabilities
17:54we
17:55have
17:55to
17:55build
17:55our
17:55own
17:56and
17:56now
17:56we
17:56are
17:56speaking
17:57European
17:58defense
17:58capabilities
17:59and
17:59European
18:00unity
18:01European
18:02military
18:02forces
18:03and
18:03I
18:03think
18:03this
18:04is
18:04extremely
18:04necessary
18:05discussion
18:06and
18:06we
18:06should
18:06also
18:12this
18:12is
18:12a
18:12discussion
18:13that
18:13I
18:13see
18:14happening
18:14already
18:15and
18:15the
18:16necessity
18:16to
18:16have
18:16it
18:19and
18:20you
18:20can
18:20watch
18:20the
18:21full
18:21interview
18:21with
18:21Sana
18:22Marin
18:22tonight
18:22at
18:23545
18:24on our
18:24program
18:2512
18:25minutes
18:25with
18:26now
18:26since
18:27Monday
18:27tens
18:27of
18:28thousands
18:28of
18:28migrants
18:29have
18:29applied
18:29for
18:29legal
18:30status
18:30in
18:30Spain
18:31as
18:31part
18:31of
18:31the
18:31government's
18:32program
18:32to
18:33regularize
18:34half a
18:34million
18:35undocumented migrants
18:36Jakob
18:37Janis
18:37explains
18:40The
18:40Cures
18:41formed
18:41early
18:41on
18:42Monday
18:42morning
18:42Almost
18:4343,000
18:45undocumented
18:45migrants
18:46have
18:46registered
18:47in
18:47just
18:47the
18:48first
18:48three
18:48days
18:48of
18:49Spain's
18:49new
18:49regularization
18:50scheme
18:50starting
18:51a
18:52program
18:52that
18:52the
18:52government
18:53says
18:53could
18:53eventually
18:54grant
18:54legal
18:54status
18:55to
18:55a
18:55half
18:55a
18:56million
18:56people
18:56and
18:57the
18:57public
18:58debate
18:58has
18:58been
18:59polarized
19:00supporters
19:01cite
19:01economic
19:01necessity
19:02and
19:02social
19:02justice
19:03while
19:04critics
19:04worry
19:05about
19:05public
19:05services
19:06and
19:06national
19:06identity
19:07however
19:08let's
19:08set
19:09aside
19:09the
19:09emotions
19:10for
19:10now
19:10and
19:10look
19:11at
19:11the
19:11facts
19:14Spain
19:15is
19:15already
19:16home
19:16to
19:1610
19:17million
19:17people
19:17born
19:18abroad
19:18that
19:19is
19:19one
19:20in
19:20five
19:20residents
19:21and
19:22many
19:22of
19:22those
19:23applying
19:23for
19:23legal
19:23status
19:24come
19:24from
19:24Colombia
19:25Venezuela
19:25or
19:26Morocco
19:26they
19:27are
19:28a
19:28key
19:28part
19:28of
19:28the
19:29workforce
19:29filling
19:30essential
19:30roles
19:31in
19:31agriculture
19:32tourism
19:32and
19:33domestic
19:33care
19:34for
19:34the
19:34elderly
19:34and
19:35regularization
19:36turns that
19:37shadow
19:37workforce
19:37into a
19:38formal
19:38contribution
19:39to the
19:39state
19:39but also
19:40grants them
19:41access to
19:41public
19:42health care
19:42or legal
19:43labor
19:43protections
19:43and this
19:45is the
19:45breakthrough
19:45usually to
19:47get papers
19:47through a
19:48process
19:48called
19:48Araigo
19:49undocumented
19:50migrants
19:50must prove
19:51they have been
19:51in Spain
19:52for two or
19:52three years
19:53this scheme
19:54slashes that
19:55requirement
19:55to just
19:56five
19:56consecutive
19:57months
19:58however
19:59and that's
19:59important
20:00we are talking
20:00about one year
20:01renewable
20:02residence
20:02permit
20:03not
20:04full
20:04citizenship
20:05it does
20:06not
20:06grant
20:07the
20:07right
20:07to
20:07vote
20:07in
20:08general
20:08elections
20:08or provide
20:10an
20:10immediate
20:10path
20:11to
20:11nationality
20:12and
20:12individuals
20:13with
20:13criminal
20:13records
20:14will
20:14not
20:15qualify
20:15and
20:16the
20:16plan
20:17has
20:17already
20:17caused
20:18major
20:18friction
20:18in
20:19Brussels
20:19Spanish
20:20residency
20:21permit
20:21is
20:21effectively
20:22a
20:22Schengen
20:23pass
20:23allowing
20:24free
20:24travel
20:24across
20:25Europe
20:25for
20:2590
20:26days
20:26in
20:27any
20:27180
20:28day
20:28period
20:29EU
20:30officials
20:30worry
20:30that
20:31this
20:31could
20:31act
20:31as
20:31a
20:32poor
20:32factor
20:32undermining
20:33the
20:34bloc's
20:34new
20:34stricter
20:35crackdown
20:35on
20:36irregular
20:36migration
20:37however
20:38one
20:38thing
20:39is
20:39certain
20:39Spain
20:40will
20:41either
20:41become
20:41a
20:41laboratory
20:42for
20:42a
20:42shrinking
20:43continent
20:43or
20:44break
20:44European
20:45solidarity
20:45in
20:46this
20:46most
20:46divisive
20:47issue
20:47in
20:48the
20:48EU
20:54year
20:54and
20:56that's
20:56all
20:56we
20:57have
20:57time
20:57for
20:57today
20:58thank
20:58you
20:59so
20:59much
20:59for
21:00tuning
21:00in
21:00we'll
21:01be
21:01back
21:01with
21:01more
21:01news
21:02more
21:02analysis
21:03same
21:03time
21:04same
21:04place
21:04tomorrow
21:05in
21:05the
21:05meantime
21:05do
21:06get
21:06in
21:06touch
21:06with
21:06us
21:07with
21:07your
21:07questions
21:07and
21:08tips
21:08you
21:09can
21:09email
21:09us
21:10on
21:10europe
21:10today
21:11at
21:11euronews
21:12dot
21:12com
21:12and
21:13we'll
21:13see
21:13you
21:13very
21:14soon
21:14here
21:14on
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