05:41So, massive pressure
09:36not for NATO's interests, not for the world's goodness, I would say.
09:47Do you think it's fair then that Donald Trump is asking for their help now
09:50because he's saying, we're all in NATO, you have an obligation to help me
09:55because now I'm under pressure.
09:57Do you think they're obliged or are they within their rights to say
10:01we are a defensive organisation and we weren't consulted about this conflict?
10:05Yes, your question is also the answer for that.
10:15Turkey's Trade Minister there, Omer Bolat, speaking to our Shona Murray.
10:19And now for the view from the United Nations.
10:21Your news is Maria Tadeo spoke exclusively to the President of the UN General Assembly,
10:26Annalena Baerbock, and started by asking her what the UN can say or do
10:30when a US president threatens to wipe out a whole civilisation.
10:34I made very clear from the beginning of this war
10:37that the Charter of the United Nations is not optional,
10:41including the protection of civilian, including humanitarian law,
10:45and obviously in a situation with a nuclear threat,
10:48with severe human rights violations in Iran,
10:52there's a responsibility for the world, but within international law.
10:56And this means, first of all, protections of civilians,
10:59and therefore it was very important that there was a strong backlash
11:04against this rhetoric which is contradicting international human rights
11:09and international law.
11:10I've got to ask you, the reason why I mentioned
11:12is the UN still capacitated to make sure that international law still applies
11:17is because we've seen much criticism over the past year
11:21suggesting that the UN is part of the problem,
11:23that the UN has not been able to adapt to new times,
11:26that the UN has not been able to resolve any major conflict over the past two years,
11:30and that it has become obsolete.
11:32Is that fair criticism? Is there a need for reform?
11:35Or do you look at it and say, it is ultimately being politicised?
11:39This criticism is political.
11:42Without any doubt, the UN needs a deep reform.
11:45But we're in the midst of this reform.
11:47It's called UN80.
11:48Antonio Guterres, the Secretary General, has started this process last year,
11:53meaning to make it more efficient, we have more than 40,000 mandates,
11:56meaning resolution, which is the UN is dealing with.
12:00Since 17 years, we are trying to reform the Security Council,
12:04which has touched with the veto initiative.
12:07But unfortunately, it needs the agreement also by the members of the Security Council.
12:12And I always relate a bit to the national context.
12:16Because, for example, also in all our European countries,
12:20we have clear rules that you should not kill anybody.
12:24Unfortunately, murder still happens.
12:26And nobody would say, okay, we should just get rid of the criminal code now,
12:30because we could not prevent the murders.
12:33But police and the work in society has to do as much as to counter it.
12:38And it's the same for the United Nations.
12:40We have to do every day to be better than the day before.
12:45But we heavily depend on the member states.
12:48And if a member state starts a war of aggression,
12:51then it's not the UN failing.
12:54The charter is not clear enough that this is not allowed.
12:57But it's a member state who is in well awareness of breaching the charter,
13:02pressing this war forward.
13:04And this is why it needs the counter pressure from other member states as well.
13:08And there's a quote of one of the former Secretary General,
13:11which I think is important to remember, what the UN is for.
13:14It says,
13:16the UN was built not to bring humanity to heaven,
13:20but to prevent humanity from hell.
13:22Do you consider that the Board of Peace could become a challenger,
13:26a contender to the UN?
13:27Or is that something that you simply do not see will be a credible rival in the future?
13:31It cannot outlast the UN.
13:35There's a good reason that at the UN,
13:37every member states, no matter how big or small, how powerful,
13:41has an equal seat at the table.
13:43And this is unique responsibility and also the unique role the UN can play.
13:49And member states made very clear,
13:50also those who joined the Board of Peace,
13:53that this is only with regard to gather.
13:55And for any other matter on peace and security,
13:58it's for a good reason, the United Nations,
14:00where you don't have to pay,
14:02because you're representing the people of your country
14:05and everybody is equal.
14:11Annalena Baerbock there speaking to our Maria Tadeo.
14:14Now, just two sleeps to go until Hungary's parliamentary elections take place
14:18this very Sunday.
14:19And for the first time since coming into power in 2010,
14:23Viktor Orban faces a real opposition with the TISA party of Peter Mayer.
14:27For the latest, we can cross now over to Budapest
14:30and bring in our Hungary correspondent, Adam Mayer.
14:32Good morning, Adam.
14:33So it's the final push now for this campaign.
14:36Tell us, what are the contenders up to for the past,
14:39or for the last couple of days?
14:42Good morning to you as well.
14:44As you mentioned, we are in the final stages of the campaign
14:47and both contenders are campaigning very heavily online
14:50at a very different pace offline.
14:53So the prime minister, Viktor Orban,
14:55is only going to have two campaign rallies,
14:57one tomorrow and one today,
15:00while the opposition leader, Peter Magyar,
15:02is going to have 11 campaign rallies.
15:04The earliest one is starting at 9.30 in the morning.
15:08So he's traveling the country
15:10and trying to get to the voters at the last minute as well.
15:14And it's also worth mentioning that this evening
15:17there is going to be a super concert,
15:20I would say, in Budapest,
15:21which will spend for more than seven hours
15:23with more than 40 artists performing.
15:26And the aim of this concert is to motivate opposition voters
15:31to go to the polls on Sunday.
15:33And this concert is not organized by Peter Magyar's party,
15:38the TISA party,
15:38but by an NGO, an independent NGO.
15:41So as we are approaching the final days,
15:45the pollsters are publishing their last opinion polls
15:49ahead of the elections,
15:50and we don't see big shifts.
15:52So independent pollsters still say
15:54that the opposition is leading,
15:56but many people are cautious.
15:58Many people are thinking that
15:59maybe the pollsters are not right.
16:01So we are in a very intense situation
16:04and we will have a very exciting last two days
16:07and an exciting election night in Hungary.
16:10Absolutely, Adam Meyer.
16:11And we can see blue skies behind you there.
16:13That will spell well, perhaps, for a voter turnout.
16:16Thank you so much there for that live broadcast
16:17from the Hungarian capital.
16:19And as you can imagine,
16:20Brussels is holding its breath ahead of these votes
16:23after a dramatic campaign
16:25that revealed close ties
16:27between Viktor Orban's government and the Kremlin.
16:29The European Commission President,
16:31Ursula von der Leyen, said yesterday
16:32through a spokesperson
16:33that she intends to raise this important issue
16:36with European leaders.
16:37For more, I'm joined now in the studio
16:39by your news editor, Maria Tadeo.
16:41Maria, just a reminder of yours,
16:42how big the stakes are here for the European Union.
16:45Well, look, this election is the big one.
16:47Talk to any diplomat,
16:48they'll tell you the Hungarian election
16:49is by far the most important
16:51and the most consequential for the European Union
16:54for all the reasons that you listed.
16:55Obviously, there's a sanctions policy at stake,
16:58the veto policy,
16:59which is driving everyone crazy
17:01within the European Council.
17:03Now the tapes coming out
17:04between the Russian foreign minister
17:06and the Hungarian foreign minister.
17:08Look, no one is shocked that these two talk.
17:10But the idea that you now have that on tape
17:12obviously has incredibly resonated across the table.
17:15And again, it feeds into this idea
17:17that we've now talked about.
17:18This is not just a political clash.
17:20This clash between Budapest and Brussels
17:22has been years in the making.
17:24But for many member states,
17:25you look at Poland, the Baltics, etc.
17:27They say this is now a question
17:28of serious national security
17:31because of this Russian aspect into this campaign.
17:35Now, when you look at the polls,
17:36and this is where it gets relevant,
17:38Viktor Orban could lose or would lose,
17:40if you believe those polls,
17:42the Hungarian election.
17:43And that means that Peter Magyar will be
17:44and will lead the next government.
17:46Peter Magyar is not your pro-European
17:49in the classical liberal sense of the word,
17:52but it is or could be a significant shift
17:55from the current administration for two reasons.
17:57He's saying he wants to make Hungary now
17:59a fully functioning member of the EU and NATO.
18:03He also says he wants to tap into the frozen cash.
18:06This is money, both structural money for Hungary,
18:09which has been blocked now for years
18:10over conservative rule of law,
18:12but also defense money that Hungary needs
18:14to rebuild its army.
18:16Now, to do that, something will have to change
18:19when it comes to certainly rule of law,
18:21whether that is structural, cosmetic,
18:22the degree of the change remains to be seen,
18:25but that is something that will have to change.
18:27Now, for the European Union,
18:29this has been a campaign where they have
18:30really played this very low profile.
18:33They have been very concerned that
18:34whatever they say or do could be instrumentalized
18:37on the campaign trail by the Orban side.
18:39But as it stands now, you're looking at an election
18:41that could bring change into Hungary
18:44in a way that has massive ramifications for the EU.
18:47And if not, what about if Viktor Orban does stay?
18:49Does Brussels have a plan?
18:50Look, and that's a very good question,
18:51because, Maeve, the polls at this stage would say,
18:54you know, there's a double digit lead.
18:55No one that I speak to in Brussels actually believes,
18:58and we'll see on Sunday, you know,
18:59maybe we'll be back here and we'll eat our words,
19:01but nobody believes that that is going to manifest
19:03in the sense that when you enter the final days
19:05of the campaign, new votes come in.
19:07You can say something in the polls,
19:09but actually when it comes to the exact day,
19:11you change your mind.
19:12They are preparing.
19:13You would be a fool to count Viktor Orban out.
19:15And of course, I could see an Orban
19:16that is perhaps lighter,
19:18but also stronger when it comes to
19:19all of the blocking points,
19:20the sanctions, the veto, etc.
19:22OK, whatever happens, of course,
19:23with these elections, we will report it.
19:25And Maria, today you'll be live with our team
19:26in Budapest on the ground.
19:28We'll also have a special live show,
19:29rolling coverage,
19:30bringing here, right here on Europe Today,
19:32Monday.
19:33So tune in for that
19:34and keep an eye on our live blogs as well online.
19:36Thank you so much, though, for watching.
19:38Take care and stay with us here
19:39on your own use.
19:51We'll see you next time.
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