05:54S-titrage ST' 501
13:30pour mettre de pression sur Israël
13:32pour répondre à notre proposition.
13:34Mais la proposition était faite officiellement
13:36par le président trois semaines ago.
13:38Et même si il y a un espèce d'aventure
13:40entre Israël et Israël et Iran
13:42pour finir la guerre,
13:43à quoi extent peut-être Lebanon
13:44juste être resté à être détruiée?
13:47Il peut être resté à être détruiée.
13:49Nous devons, ici nous sommes
13:52naviguer très prudently
13:55entre deux possible scénarios
13:57que nous n'aimerais pas.
13:58C'est une, c'est qu'il y a un espèce d'aventure
14:01dans le Gulf,
14:01although je ne vois pas ce qu'il n'est pas maintenant.
14:03Je ne vois pas, mais c'est une autre histoire.
14:05Mais suppose que vous avez
14:06un espèce d'aventure dans le Gulf
14:08et que l'on est resté à se faire
14:10pour être détruiée par les Israélis.
14:13C'est une horrible scénario.
14:15La autre, plus la plus horrible scénario,
14:17c'est que l'on est un item
14:20sur quelqu'un d'autre's agenda
14:22pour négocier.
14:23Nous ne voulons pas qu'il n'y a négocier
14:25pour nous,
14:26parce que nous savons que c'est
14:27un violon de notre souverain.
14:32OK, Minister Salami,
14:34thank you so much
14:34for speaking to us here this morning
14:36on your news.
14:37Thank you for inviting me.
14:38Take care.
14:38Thank you.
14:39Now, of course, although the world's focus
14:41is very much on Iran,
14:43the threat of Russia
14:44is still Europe's number one concern.
14:46But the two wars
14:47are very much interrelated.
14:48And if hostilities continue
14:50in the Middle East,
14:51there are fears for NATO's ability
14:53to deal with so much
14:54widespread conflict.
14:56NATO allies have been meeting
14:57in Helsinki, Finland
14:58to discuss all this.
15:00And that is exactly
15:00where our NATO correspondent,
15:02Shona Murray,
15:02finds herself as well this morning.
15:04So good morning, Shona.
15:05Thanks so much for joining us.
15:06Just tell us,
15:07how is Europe addressing
15:08security matters
15:09amidst the war in the Middle East?
15:13Well, Maeve,
15:14as we heard from NATO yesterday,
15:15Russia remains the biggest threat
15:17to European security.
15:18But as you mentioned there,
15:19these wars are very much intertwined.
15:21And we've had reports
15:22over the past few days
15:23that apparently
15:24crucial military equipment
15:26destined for Ukraine
15:27from the United States
15:28could be diverted to Iran
15:30as the war in Iran grinds on.
15:32Now, NATO has said
15:33that this isn't the case,
15:34that that material
15:35is still flowing to Ukraine,
15:36particularly interceptors.
15:38But I heard from someone
15:38this morning who said
15:39this is probably inevitable
15:40that this may happen.
15:42In addition to that,
15:43here in Helsinki,
15:44we had the leaders
15:44of the Baltics
15:45and the Arctic countries,
15:46in particular,
15:47the Prime Minister of Norway
15:48and President Shubh of Finland
15:50saying yesterday,
15:51repeating the mantra
15:52that the war in Iran
15:53is not NATO's war,
15:54NATO is a defensive organisation.
15:56Now, that's problematic
15:57because if you see
15:59what Marco Rubio,
16:00the US Secretary of State
16:01last night said
16:02on the way to the G7,
16:03he said,
16:03well, in actual fact,
16:04Ukraine isn't
16:05the United States' war,
16:06so we'll have to take
16:07that into account.
16:08So there could be
16:09some conflict here.
16:10But for now,
16:10in Helsinki,
16:11I'm joined by Valérie Ayer,
16:12a French MEP
16:13and leader of the Renew Group
16:15in the European Parliament.
16:16Valérie,
16:18for how long do you think
16:19NATO can stay out
16:20of the war in Iran?
16:23Let's be clear,
16:24this is not our war.
16:25And a shift of attention
16:27on Ukraine
16:28would be a huge mistake.
16:30Europe's security
16:31is Ukraine's security
16:32and Ukraine's security
16:33is Europe's security.
16:35Russia is the first threat
16:38for us
16:39and that's why
16:40you have to be
16:41fully committed
16:41and to empower ourselves.
16:43But what we heard
16:44from Marco Rubio
16:45to the Secretary-General
16:45of NATO yesterday
16:46was that,
16:47well,
16:48the United States
16:48is really helping
16:49in this war
16:50with Ukraine and Russia
16:51because of the negotiations
16:53at the table.
16:54Now Marco Rubio
16:55is saying,
16:55if you don't help us in Iran,
16:57we won't help you
16:58with Ukraine
16:58and Russia anymore.
16:59Ukraine is not
17:00bargaining chip
17:01and this is not
17:02Iran's war
17:03is not our war.
17:04We stand here today
17:06in Finland.
17:07This is the longest border
17:09between the EU
17:10and Russia.
17:11We have to defend Finland.
17:13We have to defend Ukraine.
17:14We have to defend the EU
17:15and this is our top priority
17:17and it remains.
17:19But France and the UK
17:20and several other countries
17:21are part of a sort of
17:22a joint coalition
17:23to maybe re-secure
17:25the Strait of Ormos.
17:26Now they say
17:27it's when the hostilities end
17:28but they're part of that.
17:30Do you think that
17:30maybe the Europeans
17:32will need to
17:32put their shoulders
17:33to the wheel,
17:34help the Americans
17:35in order to get
17:36some payback for Ukraine?
17:38This is not a question
17:39on helping the Americans.
17:40This is a question
17:41of securising
17:42the Hormuz path
17:44to make sure
17:45that energy issues
17:47is not so harmful
17:49for Europe.
17:50But do you think
17:50that the Europeans
17:51can do anything realistically
17:52anyway in the Strait of Ormos
17:54despite the fact
17:54that of course
17:55the European economies
17:56are really suffering?
17:57As I said
17:58this is a question
17:59of energy security
18:00also what we have done
18:01until now
18:02at the European level
18:03is also to move on
18:05on environmental transitions.
18:08What is the
18:09what this question
18:11this war shows us
18:12is our weakness.
18:14We are too dependent
18:15on fossil fuels
18:16so we have to move on
18:17and to be more independent.
18:19And the point you made there
18:20obviously we're in Helsinki
18:21which has the largest border
18:22with inside NATO
18:23with Russia
18:24and a country
18:25that's very much
18:26leading the way
18:27when it comes to preparedness.
18:28Thank you very much
18:28Valerie Ayer
18:29for that this morning.
18:30And back to you Maeve.
18:32Thank you so much Shona
18:33for that update
18:33and of course
18:34to your guest there
18:35Valerie Ayer
18:35in what looks like
18:36a very windy
18:37chilly Helsinki.
18:38Well thank you so much now
18:40for tuning into us here
18:41on Europe Today.
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