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SPM results are out, but do they still define your future? Chan Mei Thing from Hiredly and Jit Lee Woon Kiat from Yayasan Tunku Abdul Rahman Foundation discuss what comes next; from access to opportunities to real-world skills, and whether youth today are truly prepared for the road ahead.
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00:05Hello and welcome to It's About Youth. I'm your host, Fahna Sheh.
00:09Now, SPM results are just out, but beyond that, grades, a bigger question remains.
00:15Do they still define a young person's future?
00:18We want to discuss that today.
00:20With us today is Jid Lee Woon Kiat, Program Manager from ASN Tunggobur Rahman,
00:25as well as meeting Special Officer at Hyatt Lee.
00:28Now, this is a hot topic, and I'm sure a lot of youth are very anxious at a very anxious
00:34period right now.
00:35And we have two very brilliant... Are you guys SPM leavers as well, both of you?
00:39No, okay, you two?
00:40Yeah, but we do work with a lot of SPM leavers.
00:42I see, I see.
00:43So IGCSE.
00:45About the same. Biggest exam in your life, I feel, in your young adult life, I feel.
00:49I was just telling them that I still get anxious about thinking about SPM right now.
00:53So I guess that's where we start, right?
00:55The big question here, do SPM results still define a young person's future?
01:01I think that's where we want to start with the bigger picture.
01:04Maybe we can start with you.
01:05Yeah, sure, of course.
01:06I wouldn't say define your future, but of course, SPM results, it's sort of like the entry ticket.
01:12So it creates like options for you to choose, right?
01:15Especially once you have finished your SPM, and then you're deciding whether,
01:18do you want to go to foundation, diploma, or you want to go overseas.
01:23So let's say, for example, if you have like better results, of course,
01:27your options are like wider, you have more options to go with,
01:30but it will just define the next path.
01:32But once you graduated like from your degree or sort of thing like that,
01:36I feel like SPM is just like a background information.
01:40Is that how you feel as well, Jit?
01:43Yeah, I do think that, like what was mentioned,
01:47the very first, I think, immediate step afterwards,
01:50that's to be like, oh, okay, it does feel like it really influences that.
01:54We do see some impact, right?
01:55We have worked with a scholar who did not do really well in the BM paper,
02:03and hence had to, you know, go and take a diploma or do a different course.
02:08I had to work, then only re-take SPM and go back to doing a degree.
02:12So it does affect, and we do see some impacts here and there.
02:16But I think the more important thing really is, how do you see it?
02:20How do you respond to it?
02:21I think that's the more important thing than the result itself, actually.
02:25Right, okay.
02:26So I guess this next question goes to you,
02:28because, yeah, Santagou Abiraman actually handles, you know,
02:32scholarships for underprivileged youth, for example,
02:34looking at avenues for higher education.
02:37So how important are SPM results, actually?
02:40And you touched a little bit about that.
02:42Maybe we can elaborate a little bit more.
02:44How important are SPM results when awarding scholarships?
02:47Are straight A's still the benchmark right now,
02:49or are we looking beyond that?
02:52Right.
02:53I think just also for clarity,
02:55our scholarship, Biasa Santagou Abiraman,
02:57we do not offer immediate post-SPM.
03:00That means for pre-university courses.
03:03We only offer for undergraduate degrees.
03:05But I do think that, you know, for ourselves,
03:10we really don't look at that very strictly, right?
03:14Or even any results in particular,
03:16like even undergraduate results,
03:18because we do think that there is a more holistic way
03:20of looking at things, which really includes,
03:24you know, when you're talking about giving a scholarship,
03:26you are not just looking at a person's past performance, right?
03:28You are really looking at an investment in a person's
03:32or a young person's future, right?
03:34Or future growth.
03:36So I think it will be quite unfair to the student to say,
03:40okay, just based on your results here,
03:43that we are not going to give you a scholarship, right?
03:45We want to look at your potential.
03:46We want to look at your leadership capabilities
03:51and leadership capabilities,
03:52not even in just the traditional sense of,
03:55oh, whether or not you're president of a club
03:56or things like that, right?
03:57But also, how do you lead people,
03:59whether you have supported your families
04:01and things like that.
04:02Yeah.
04:02So I do think that a more holistic way
04:05of looking at providing scholarships is needed.
04:09And at WITAR, we do strive to provide that.
04:12We also do see a growing, you know,
04:15sense of this among scholarship providers.
04:17So that's good as well.
04:19I mean, it's definitely different from our time.
04:21I mean, I don't know.
04:22I don't know your ages,
04:23but definitely my time is very, very different.
04:25Like I was under very strict pressure,
04:28very, you know, pressure cooker to get straight A's
04:31and to make sure that I'm president of this club
04:33and making sure I have enough cocoa,
04:35enough, you know, all this extra, extra stuff
04:38just to make sure that I get ahead, right?
04:41So I think a big chunk of this is also for you
04:44to get a good job in the future, right?
04:46So from an employer's perspective meeting,
04:48at what point do SPM results stop mattering
04:52in the hiring process or do they still matter?
04:54What was the job landscape right now?
04:56I see.
04:56So actually, it doesn't really matter
04:59once you have gotten your diploma and degree.
05:01Because we assume that the prerequisite for you
05:03to get a diploma or a degree
05:05is like, for example, SPM or IGCSE or any O-levels.
05:09So it's equivalent, right?
05:10So we assume that if you manage to get yourself
05:13into diploma degree,
05:14then SPM is like, okay, yeah, pass already, right?
05:17That's why we don't really encourage them
05:19to write grades.
05:20Because it's like...
05:21Yeah, exactly.
05:22Because you're writing your kindergarten.
05:24So I feel like degree is good enough to have.
05:28So especially, we only look at degree,
05:31what degree you are in
05:32when we are hiring for a fresh grad.
05:34And once you have gotten your internship,
05:37let's say,
05:38or one to two years working experience,
05:40and SPM is just like a background information.
05:43Is that something that is currently,
05:45you know, the standard SOP right now?
05:47Or has it differed from the time before?
05:49Because I remember, you know,
05:50the amount of pressure that we put on SPM
05:52last time is as if like it's do or die, right?
05:56You're not going to get a good job
05:57if you don't get good SPM results.
05:59So is this shift sort of more current
06:02over the past few years?
06:03Or what is it like?
06:04I would say among the youth now,
06:06I would randomly,
06:07maybe like 90% of the youth now,
06:09they are easily a degree holder.
06:11If it's not a degree holder,
06:12then maybe it's like a diploma holder.
06:14So I remember last time,
06:15like 20 years back,
06:17or when our parents' time, right?
06:19Having a diploma holder,
06:20a degree holder is like a privilege.
06:22Because not a lot of people can manage,
06:24can afford financially,
06:25or have the chance to like go for like post-grad.
06:29But for now, I feel like it's quite common
06:31that people usually just look at your degree
06:33and your internship experience
06:35or any working experiences.
06:37Right. Okay. Okay.
06:38Definitely all the hullabaloo last time,
06:41you know, all the anxious studying last time
06:43was probably worth it maybe.
06:46But, you know, at the same time,
06:48times are changing, I feel.
06:50So, Jidli, you know,
06:51for high-performing students
06:52from less privileged background,
06:55you know, we know education inequality
06:57very much still persists these days.
07:00Is access to opportunities truly equal today,
07:03or are there a lot of structural gaps?
07:04And I know, you know,
07:05Wytar works a lot with this kind of group.
07:08Yes.
07:09Yeah, we mainly work with students
07:12from lower-income backgrounds, right.
07:14I do think that things have gotten better,
07:18you know, structurally,
07:19but we still are seeing some gaps.
07:21Right.
07:22We are seeing gaps in terms of,
07:24you know, information asymmetry, right.
07:27We are seeing in terms of how students
07:30from different starting points
07:33are unable to either access
07:36or meaningfully engage with the opportunities.
07:38I think those are two different things.
07:40Right.
07:41Like being able to, okay,
07:43see that, okay,
07:44that's an opportunity that's available for me
07:46versus being able to, okay,
07:48I know how to apply for it.
07:50I know how to do well in the application.
07:52I think those two are quite different.
07:55Right.
07:55And I think we're also seeing differences
07:57in terms of even like geographical factors, right.
08:01There are some applications for opportunities
08:03that will require somebody to travel, right.
08:07Either like, you know,
08:07across East, West Malaysia, right.
08:10And that's also a reason why our foundation,
08:13we emphasize having our application process
08:17be quite accessible through online,
08:19you know, doing our interviews online, right.
08:21Because I think the geographical factor of like,
08:26just especially not right now, right,
08:28we're looking at flights being even more expensive
08:30than it used to be.
08:31Yeah, especially right now.
08:32Yeah.
08:32So that is another factor.
08:35I think one other thing
08:37that people usually don't talk about as well
08:39is some of the hidden things, right.
08:41Hidden fees of universities, for instance, right.
08:43Or even, you know,
08:45the cost of buying books and...
08:47Yes, definitely.
08:49University books are expensive.
08:51Yeah, yeah, exactly.
08:53So things like, you know,
08:54providing maybe an allowance
08:55to buy like books and textbooks
08:59and equipment and things like that.
09:01I think little, little things here
09:04and that really do make a big difference
09:06in a person's ability to access
09:08and engage with these opportunities.
09:11Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of...
09:13Access is one thing, you know.
09:14I think getting the information out there
09:16because I remember my time last time,
09:18you hardly know about any scholarships.
09:20There's not enough scholarships available.
09:22You know, JPA, Mara, for example.
09:24But other than that,
09:26you don't know what else is out there
09:28and what else, you know,
09:29if you don't get straight A's,
09:31what's your avenues, for example.
09:33And then come all this other problem,
09:35access to actually get into universities
09:37and be there to, you know,
09:40your daily lives,
09:40make sure you are well fed there.
09:42So, yeah, stuff like that.
09:44I think it's always missed
09:46whenever people talk about,
09:47yeah, what's next after SPM for you, right?
09:49Yeah, yeah.
09:49There's a lot of material out there right now.
09:53But are people able to use them well, right?
09:57Or like even languages, right?
10:00Like are the materials only in English
10:01or only in Malay or what is it, right?
10:05Are people able to grasp it
10:07and use them to the advantage?
10:11Meiting, in the job market right now,
10:13do you see, you know,
10:14this kind of biases as well?
10:16You know, you talk about
10:18urban versus, you know, non-urban.
10:20You talk about, you know,
10:22people from lower income group
10:24to non-lower income group.
10:26Do you see bias,
10:27whether from university background
10:28or network exposure, for example,
10:30affecting candidates
10:31even when qualifications are similar?
10:34To be honest, I would say yes,
10:36it's a bias.
10:38Let's say, for example,
10:39university, right?
10:41So, can I say university names?
10:45Go ahead.
10:46You want to call them up?
10:48Some universities are famous
10:49in a certain industry.
10:51Let's say, for example,
10:52we know, let's say,
10:54Sun Wei is famous
10:55for all their tech students.
10:57So, for example,
10:57if a company is hiring
10:58for a tech talent
10:59and they know that,
11:00oh, this person is like
11:01from a very tech-specific
11:03background university
11:05compared to like maybe
11:06a very business major university,
11:08then I think they will be
11:09more leaning towards
11:10the one that is more
11:12tech background universities.
11:13Yeah, because they believe
11:14that maybe the modules
11:16there are more comprehensive.
11:17That's why they attract
11:18a lot of tech background students, right?
11:21Yeah.
11:21And then in terms of connection,
11:23of course,
11:23it plays a very significant role there.
11:26Let's say,
11:26I believe most of the companies,
11:28they offer like referral.
11:29Let's say,
11:30if my company is hiring
11:31and then I will let
11:32my employees to know
11:33these are the list
11:34of vacancies that are available.
11:36If you know anyone,
11:37you can introduce them to us.
11:39Means that you can pass
11:40your resume to the HR.
11:41So, it's like a very good
11:42tunnel to the HR
11:45instead of like
11:45putting your resume
11:47based in like
11:47thousands of applications.
11:49still very cutthroat
11:51in the industry.
11:53I mean,
11:53we talk as well about,
11:55for example,
11:56you know,
11:56those,
11:57especially in undergraduates,
11:58those who studied overseas
11:59and non-overseas,
12:01what kind of colleges
12:02you go to,
12:03whether or not they're
12:04Ivy Leagues
12:04and all that as well.
12:05So,
12:06yeah,
12:06it still matters to this day
12:07and fortunately,
12:08I feel.
12:09Right,
12:09we've painted an overview
12:11of the current landscape.
12:12We'll go a little bit
12:13more about solutions
12:15and,
12:16you know,
12:16where do we go from here
12:17after this break.
12:32Hello and welcome back
12:34to It's About Youth.
12:35I'm joined by
12:35Jeet Lee and Mei Ting
12:37to talk about,
12:38you know,
12:38what's next after SPM?
12:39We talked about
12:40some of the
12:41anxiety surrounding
12:42application processes
12:43scholarships.
12:45Now,
12:45I want to look a little bit
12:46more into the future
12:47on what really is there
12:50for SPM students
12:51out there,
12:52right?
12:53SPM leavers out there.
12:55Jeet Lee,
12:55maybe we can start with you.
12:57Do you think
12:57our education right now
12:58is too focused
12:59on exams
13:00and not enough
13:01on preparing students
13:03for real-world skills?
13:05What's your thought?
13:06I think
13:08in terms of
13:09exam focus,
13:11definitely
13:11that was the
13:12traditional
13:13idea of it.
13:14I think
13:15maybe
13:15five,
13:17ten,
13:17maybe ten years ago,
13:18it did seem
13:19a little bit more
13:20exam focused.
13:22But I do think
13:23it's quite encouraging
13:24to see that
13:25in the past
13:26few years
13:27that we are
13:28looking at
13:29a bit more
13:30of a shift
13:31towards
13:31skills that employers
13:32actually value.
13:34Or actually,
13:35not just what employers
13:35value,
13:36but what's beneficial
13:37for the students.
13:38For instance,
13:40when we're looking
13:40at language
13:41papers,
13:42it's no longer
13:43just 100%
13:44all in on the exam.
13:46We are looking
13:47at 50%
13:48on speaking
13:49and listening.
13:51I think that's
13:52a good shift
13:53towards
13:54building actual
13:55real-world
13:56communication skills
13:57versus
13:57how well
13:58do you write
13:59an essay.
14:01I do think
14:02that we're moving
14:03in the right
14:04direction,
14:04but of course
14:05there is still
14:06a lot to do.
14:07There is still
14:07a lot to talk
14:08about industry
14:09exposure,
14:11talk about
14:11whether or not
14:12somebody is
14:13equipped to be
14:14able to adapt
14:14in a professional
14:16environment
14:18or corporate
14:19exposure to
14:20other industries,
14:21to NGOs
14:22and things like that
14:24versus just
14:25the idea of
14:25I have an idea
14:27of what I want
14:28to do when I was
14:28in primary school
14:29and I'm just
14:29going to stick
14:30to that.
14:31I definitely
14:32felt the shift.
14:33Do you guys
14:33felt the shift
14:34too last time
14:35when I was
14:35moving from
14:3617 to
14:37pre-U
14:38and even
14:39university?
14:41To me,
14:41at that time,
14:42the level was
14:43very different.
14:44Suddenly,
14:45I'm writing
14:46longer essays
14:47and assignments
14:49are way longer
14:50and it's
14:52way harder,
14:53very harder
14:54English.
14:54I'm not used
14:55to this kind
14:55of proficiency.
14:56I definitely
14:57felt the shift
14:58last time.
14:59I'm pretty
14:59sure students,
15:00I don't know,
15:00I mean,
15:01students these
15:01days,
15:01I feel like
15:02they're way
15:02smarter than
15:04us before
15:04but I definitely
15:05felt the shift
15:06last time as
15:06well in terms
15:08of the proficiency
15:09or how hard
15:09it is.
15:10I don't think
15:12leaving school,
15:13leaving high
15:14school,
15:15my school
15:16prepared me
15:16enough for
15:17that kind
15:20exposure.
15:23From an employer's
15:24perspective as
15:25well,
15:26what are employers
15:27actually looking
15:27for in young
15:28candidates right
15:29now?
15:29We talk about
15:30education system
15:31right now,
15:31where are candidates
15:32actually falling
15:33short?
15:34I see.
15:35I think one
15:36thing is
15:37academic.
15:38So on
15:38academic side,
15:39it's actually
15:40just on your
15:40resume.
15:41So once
15:42the HR
15:43call you
15:43and then
15:44oh,
15:44you're invited
15:44to an interview
15:45and this is
15:46where employers
15:46really evaluate
15:47you.
15:48So they throw
15:48your academic
15:49aside and now
15:49it's like I'm
15:50talking to a
15:50real person.
15:51Especially now
15:52in the world
15:53full of AI,
15:54you only communicate
15:55to AI more.
15:56So I think
15:57for the
15:58generation now,
15:59I feel like
15:59maybe Gen Z,
16:00starting from Gen Z
16:01where AI emerges,
16:03I think employer
16:04focuses a lot
16:05on communication
16:06skill.
16:07So communication
16:07skill,
16:08critical thinking,
16:10problem solving.
16:11So we just
16:12need to make
16:12sure that
16:13for students
16:14now they have
16:15the ability
16:15to think
16:17outside the box
16:18without relying
16:19on textbook
16:19answers.
16:20And I think
16:21what students
16:21are falling
16:22short right now
16:23is how they
16:24are selling
16:24themselves.
16:25especially
16:26when they
16:27are fresh
16:27grad,
16:27they don't
16:28have a lot
16:28of experiences.
16:29Maybe they
16:29are looking
16:29for an
16:30internship role
16:30and then
16:31they're not
16:32selling themselves
16:33well enough.
16:34So let's
16:34say for example
16:35the student
16:35just graduated
16:36from their
16:36degree looking
16:37for an
16:37internship.
16:38Maybe they
16:38are very
16:39new to the
16:39industry
16:39but they
16:40are willing
16:40to try.
16:41But they
16:41just say
16:41oh I'm
16:42new to
16:42this
16:42industry.
16:43But besides
16:44telling
16:45you're new
16:45to the
16:45industry
16:46you can
16:46justify
16:46yourself
16:47sell
16:47yourself
16:48by the
16:49projects
16:49that you
16:49have
16:49handled.
16:50By how
16:51collaborative
16:51you are.
16:52Maybe
16:52leading an
16:54assignment
16:54the easiest
16:55one.
16:55Or running
16:56a project
16:56joining
16:57all the
16:57communities.
16:58So I feel
16:58like you
16:59must be
17:00able to
17:00articulate
17:01your thoughts
17:01well.
17:02Sell yourself
17:02well.
17:03This is not
17:03about bragging
17:04yourself but
17:05know what
17:05is your
17:05strength to
17:06let the
17:06employers know.
17:08On that
17:08note,
17:09leading up
17:09to SPM,
17:11do you
17:11think in
17:12high school
17:13we are
17:14exposed to
17:14all this?
17:15Do you
17:15think our
17:17teachers and
17:18education
17:18system
17:19taught us
17:21how to
17:21sell
17:21ourselves
17:22or how
17:22to
17:23prepare
17:23ourselves
17:24for the
17:24industry
17:24or prepare
17:25yourself
17:26to get
17:26internship
17:26do you
17:27think it's
17:27a valuable
17:27skill to
17:28be
17:28incorporated
17:29as early
17:30as high
17:30school?
17:31I think
17:31it's a
17:32very good
17:32value.
17:33I think
17:34in high
17:35school
17:35we're more
17:36working
17:36in silo
17:37so I'm
17:38just
17:38taking SPM
17:40because it's
17:40not like a
17:40group
17:41assignment
17:41individual
17:41person
17:42and you
17:43move into
17:43degree
17:44diploma
17:44and then
17:45you have
17:45group
17:45assignment
17:46and it's
17:46like 40%
17:47of your
17:48total
17:48marks
17:48and that's
17:49where you
17:49meet people
17:50outside of
17:50your comfort
17:51group
17:51because you
17:52meet people
17:53from IGCSE
17:54from Chinese
17:55school
17:56from government
17:57school
17:57and that's
17:58where you
17:58can learn
17:59how to be
17:59in a
18:00collaborative
18:00team
18:01how to
18:02job well
18:02with others
18:03how to be
18:04more adaptable
18:04to other
18:05people
18:06jump on that
18:07a little bit
18:07as well
18:08I do think
18:10also another
18:11important question
18:12to ask is
18:12also not just
18:13whether students
18:14are falling
18:15short
18:15because then
18:17we also need
18:18to look at
18:19the systemic
18:20conditions
18:21that are
18:22around
18:22and we are
18:24also asking
18:24questions like
18:25are the
18:26systems preparing
18:27the students
18:28well enough
18:28for this
18:29right
18:29so I think
18:30we also
18:32really want
18:32to implore
18:33employers
18:34implore the
18:35schools
18:36educators
18:37as well
18:38to think
18:38about
18:39are we
18:40creating
18:41an environment
18:42or creating
18:42a space
18:43that really
18:44thoroughly
18:44allows
18:45students
18:46to bloom
18:46grow into
18:48their potential
18:48rather than
18:49this is the
18:50real world
18:51you deal
18:52with it
18:54so I guess
18:56that directly
18:57segway to
18:58my next question
18:58so after
18:59SPM
19:00students are
19:00expected to
19:01make this
19:01major life
19:01decision
19:02pre-U
19:03what to do
19:04what courses
19:04I should take
19:05what major
19:06I should take
19:07and then after
19:07that
19:08it's employers
19:09job industry
19:10and all that
19:11are they
19:12being equipped
19:12with the
19:13right information
19:13and access
19:14to make
19:15this decision
19:16to choose
19:16their path
19:17maybe
19:18Jade since
19:19you've already
19:19touched on it
19:20a little bit
19:21maybe you can
19:21explore that
19:22yeah I
19:23think it's
19:24going back
19:25to a point
19:25I made earlier
19:26which is that
19:27information is
19:28out there
19:28but the
19:30two points
19:30of whether
19:30or not
19:31it's accessible
19:32or whether
19:33people can
19:34engage with it
19:34meaningfully
19:35so are people
19:37being equipped
19:38with it
19:38I think to
19:39varying degrees
19:39different groups
19:41seem to be
19:41receiving
19:42different degrees
19:44of information
19:44or having
19:46different abilities
19:47to engage
19:47with the
19:47information
19:49so yes
19:50it's a sort
19:51of a yes
19:51and no answer
19:52yeah it's
19:53out there
19:54we are seeing
19:55a lot of
19:56platforms
19:56being available
19:58for instance
19:59we've worked
20:00to
20:02there's a
20:02really really
20:03good website
20:03out there
20:04called
20:04Schola
20:04S-C-H-O-L-A
20:06.org.my
20:08that you can
20:09use to explore
20:10different pathways
20:10and things like
20:11that
20:11but also
20:13then
20:13are teachers
20:15recommending
20:16these tools
20:16to their students
20:17are parents
20:18aware of these
20:18things
20:19there's a lot
20:19of information
20:20and symmetry
20:20everywhere
20:21so yeah
20:22I think that
20:22would be
20:23one of the
20:24main things
20:24where it is
20:26out there
20:27but not
20:27are they
20:28being used
20:28effectively
20:29or people
20:29know about
20:30them
20:30so not
20:31just in
20:31the school
20:32structure
20:32itself
20:32but also
20:33outside
20:33are people
20:34exploring
20:34student
20:35teachers
20:35exploring
20:36these
20:37kind of
20:37tools
20:37what about
20:38you
20:38May
20:39what do
20:39you think
20:39I agree
20:40with you
20:41because
20:41information
20:42is that
20:42open
20:42doors
20:42right
20:43so it's
20:43there
20:43but it's
20:44not
20:44proactively
20:45reaching out
20:45to people
20:46so you
20:46can only
20:47access it
20:47if you
20:48take the
20:48initiative
20:48to access
20:49it
20:49so I
20:50remember
20:50when I
20:50was
20:50I
20:51just
20:51ended
20:52my
20:52SPM
20:52and people
20:53started
20:53asking
20:53oh what
20:54do you
20:54want to
20:54do
20:54what do
20:54you
20:54want
20:54to
20:54study
20:55next
20:55right
20:55worst
20:56time
20:56yes
20:56and I
20:57was like
20:57oh I
20:58need to
20:58make a
20:58decision
21:13I
21:19open
21:20doors
21:20so you
21:21just
21:21go
21:21in
21:21if
21:21you
21:21think
21:22you
21:22need
21:22that
21:23career
21:23counselling
21:23but
21:24it's
21:24not
21:24actively
21:24reaching
21:25out
21:25to
21:25you
21:26so I
21:26think
21:27maybe
21:27students
21:27can
21:27be
21:27more
21:28proactive
21:28in
21:29seeking
21:29what
21:30industry
21:30you
21:31want
21:31to
21:31go
21:31with
21:31let's
21:32say
21:32if
21:32you
21:32want
21:32to
21:32be
21:33a
21:33software
21:34developer
21:34then
21:35you
21:35can
21:35try
21:35to
21:35look
21:36for
21:36people
21:36who
21:37is
21:37currently
21:37working
21:37as
21:38a
21:38software
21:38developer
21:38and
21:39try
21:39asking
21:39them
21:39what's
21:40your
21:40day
21:49there
21:49are
21:50a
21:50lot
21:50of
21:51occupations
21:51out
21:51there
21:51and
21:52people
21:52for
21:52you
21:52to
21:52reach
21:53out
21:53to
21:53so
21:53as
21:54long
21:54as
21:54you
21:54are
21:54willing
21:54to
21:54reach
21:55out
21:55to
21:55all
21:55this
21:55information
21:56you
21:56will
21:56be
21:56able
21:56to
21:57make
21:57a
21:57more
21:57wise
21:58decision
21:59I
21:59had
21:59a
22:00teacher
22:00last
22:00time
22:00who
22:00told
22:01me
22:01I
22:01should
22:01be
22:01an
22:01engineer
22:03I
22:04don't
22:04think
22:05I'll
22:06be
22:06able
22:06to
22:06do
22:06it
22:07but
22:08I'm
22:08glad
22:09I'm
22:09glad
22:09I
22:10think
22:10a
22:11lot
22:11of
22:11people
22:11struggle
22:12after
22:13SPM
22:13it's
22:14probably
22:14the
22:14worst
22:15time
22:15ever
22:15I
22:15feel
22:16people
22:16are
22:16on
22:17you
22:17about
22:17where
22:18you
22:18should
22:18go
22:18next
22:18what
22:19you
22:19should
22:19do
22:19and
22:20this
22:20kind
22:20of
22:21things
22:21are
22:21important
22:21exposure
22:23making
22:23sure
22:23that
22:23we
22:24are
22:24talking
22:24to
22:24the
22:24right
22:24people
22:25getting
22:25the
22:25right
22:25information
22:26because
22:28like it
22:28or not
22:28it
22:29is
22:29a
22:29major
22:30point
22:30in
22:30your
22:30life
22:31where
22:31you
22:31are
22:31supposed
22:31to
22:31choose
22:32the
22:32first
22:33step
22:33to
22:33choose
22:34obviously
22:34you
22:35can
22:36digress
22:36or
22:37move
22:37later
22:37but
22:38it's
22:38an
22:38important
22:39point
22:40in
22:40your
22:40life
22:40where
22:40you
22:40sort
22:41of
22:41want
22:41to
22:41know
22:41where
22:42you
22:42want
22:42to
22:42go
22:42right
22:43on
22:44that
22:45what
22:46kind
22:46of
22:46support
22:47system
22:47because
22:47we've
22:48talked
22:48about
22:48it
22:48a
22:49little
22:49bit
22:49what
22:49kind
22:49of
22:49support
22:50system
22:50whether
22:50scholarship
22:51or
22:51mentorship
22:52or
22:52career
22:52exposure
22:53do
22:54SPM
22:54leavers
22:55actually
22:55need
22:55to
22:55reach
22:56their
22:56full
22:56potential
22:56we've
22:57talked
22:57a little
22:57bit
22:57about
22:57that
22:58if
22:58there's
22:59anything
22:59else
22:59either
23:00on
23:00university
23:01side
23:01or
23:01the
23:01government
23:01side
23:02or
23:02even
23:02NGOs
23:03that
23:03you
23:03can
23:03think
23:03of
23:05I
23:05would
23:06say
23:06maybe
23:06financial
23:07information
23:08because
23:09we
23:09have
23:09this
23:10perspective
23:10that
23:11if
23:11you
23:11want
23:11to
23:11be
23:12a
23:12doctor
23:12or
23:13you
23:13want
23:13to
23:13be
23:13a
23:13pilot
23:13it
23:14costs
23:14a lot
23:15for
23:15you
23:15to
23:15go
23:16that
23:16path
23:16right
23:16maybe
23:17sometimes
23:19people
23:20will
23:20hesitate
23:20should
23:21I
23:21go
23:21this
23:21route
23:21because
23:22I
23:22need
23:22to
23:22spend
23:23so
23:23much
23:23before
23:24I
23:24even
23:24started
23:24I
23:26think
23:27financial
23:27information
23:28you
23:28need
23:28to
23:28check
23:28whether
23:29if
23:29there
23:29is
23:29any
23:29scholarship
23:30that's
23:30able
23:31to
23:31cover
23:31you
23:31if
23:32you
23:32really
23:32want
23:32to
23:32walk
23:33down
23:33this
23:33path
23:33so
23:34I
23:34would
23:34say
23:34financial
23:35information
23:35is
23:36something
23:36that
23:37SPM
23:38levers
23:38or
23:38anyone
23:39would
23:39need
23:39to
23:39try
23:40to
23:40see
23:40whether
23:40PTPTN
23:41let's
23:41say
23:41for
23:41example
23:42or
23:42any
23:42other
23:43public
23:43or
23:43private
23:44scholarships
23:44can
23:44support
23:45yeah
23:45what about
23:46you
23:46I
23:47do
23:47think
23:47that
23:48one-to-one
23:49guidance
23:49like
23:50mentorship
23:51is
23:51very
23:52very
23:52powerful
23:52like
23:53we
23:53often
23:53think
23:54like
23:54oh
23:54you
23:55know
23:55just
23:55give
23:56one-off
23:56advice
23:56that's
23:57mentorship
23:57that's
23:58guidance
23:58already
23:58but
23:58no
23:59I
23:59think
24:00gradual
24:01long-term
24:02guidance
24:02and mentorship
24:03really
24:04goes a
24:04long way
24:05we see
24:05that
24:06through
24:06our
24:06Closing
24:06the Gap
24:06program
24:07we see
24:07how
24:07having
24:08somebody
24:09walk
24:09with
24:09you
24:10over
24:10a
24:10period
24:10of
24:10time
24:10to
24:11figure
24:11out
24:11not
24:12just
24:12immediately
24:13oh
24:13what
24:13do
24:13you
24:13want
24:14to
24:17what
24:17you
24:17care
24:18about
24:18and
24:19over
24:19a
24:19period
24:19of
24:20time
24:20figure
24:21this
24:21thing
24:21out
24:21with
24:22you
24:23I
24:23think
24:23that
24:23has
24:25worked
24:25so
24:26much
24:26wonders
24:26with
24:27a lot
24:27of
24:28students
24:28I
24:28think
24:29not only
24:30that
24:30because
24:30it
24:30also
24:30creates
24:31a
24:31space
24:31that
24:31allows
24:32the
24:32student
24:32to
24:32feel
24:32comfortable
24:33to
24:33explore
24:34options
24:34that
24:34maybe
24:35they
24:35previously
24:35didn't
24:36think
24:36about
24:36or
24:38societal
24:38pressure
24:39or familial
24:39pressure
24:40maybe
24:40didn't
24:41allow
24:41them
24:41to
24:41think
24:41of
24:42these
24:42other
24:43options
24:43so
24:44I
24:48have
24:48the
24:49emotional
24:49capacity
24:50to
24:50understand
24:51my
24:51pathway
24:52and
24:52to
24:52engage
24:52with
24:52it
24:53if
24:54I
24:54can
24:54add
24:54a
24:54little
24:54bit
24:54more
24:55where
24:55does
24:55the
24:55responsibility
24:56actually
24:57lies
24:57is
24:57it
24:58on
24:58the
24:58student
24:58itself
24:59to
24:59make
24:59this
24:59initiative
25:00to
25:00find
25:00mentors
25:01or
25:01is
25:01it
25:01university
25:02who
25:02have
25:02to
25:02provide
25:03or
25:03is
25:03it
25:03NGOs
25:04I
25:04know
25:04I
25:04have
25:04been
25:05involved
25:05with
25:05Project
25:05KALSOM
25:06and
25:06small
25:07changes
25:07before
25:08and
25:08they
25:08are
25:08the
25:09ones
25:09who
25:09have
25:10this
25:17program
25:18where
25:18does
25:18or
25:19is
25:19it
25:19everyone
25:19that
25:21sounds
25:21like
25:21everyone
25:22responsibility
25:23because
25:23in
25:24schools
25:25you
25:25have
25:25guru
25:26counselling
25:26but
25:28are
25:28also
25:28guru
25:29counselling
25:29equipped
25:30to
25:30handle
25:31so
25:31many
25:31students
25:32and
25:33at
25:34the
25:34same
25:35time
25:35I
25:35think
25:35the
25:36student
25:36themselves
25:37will
25:37have
25:37to
25:38go
25:39and
25:39see
25:40what
25:40they
25:41need
25:41do
25:42I
25:42feel
25:43like
25:43I
25:43need
25:44more
25:45emotional
25:45support
25:46do
25:46I
25:46feel
25:46like
25:46I
25:47need
25:47more
25:47information
25:48regarding
25:48certain
25:49industries
25:49then
25:50getting
25:50the
25:50right
25:51sort
25:51of
25:51mentorship
25:52and
25:52guidance
25:52will
25:53be
25:53helpful
25:54so
25:54it
25:54really
25:54does
25:55seem
25:55to
25:55be
25:55everybody
25:56needs
25:56to
25:57be
25:58there
25:58to
25:58raise
25:59the
25:59child
25:59I
26:02have
26:03probably
26:03about
26:0430
26:04seconds
26:05left
26:05I'm
26:06going
26:06to
26:06give
26:07you
26:07guys
26:07the
26:08camera
26:08for
26:09students
26:09who
26:09just
26:10received
26:10their
26:10results
26:11what's
26:11the
26:11one
26:12thing
26:12they
26:12should
26:12focus
26:13on
26:13next
26:13beyond
26:14grades
26:15your
26:16thoughts
26:1630 seconds
26:17all
26:18right
26:18I
26:18think
26:19don't
26:19reject
26:19yourself
26:20before
26:22anybody
26:22rejects
26:23you
26:23if you've
26:24already
26:24rejected
26:25yourself
26:25you have
26:25already
26:26limited
26:26the
26:26potential
26:27and the
26:27pathways
26:28that you
26:28have
26:28so
26:29most
26:29importantly
26:30don't
26:30reject
26:30yourself
26:31before
26:31anyone
26:31else
26:31right
26:32what
26:32about
26:32you
26:32meeting
26:33I
26:34would
26:34say
26:34this
26:34is
26:35not
26:35the
26:35end
26:35of
26:35the
26:35world
26:35but
26:36this
26:36is
26:36to
26:36a
26:36new
26:36beginning
26:37so
26:37if
26:38you
26:38have
26:38a
26:38great
26:38result
26:38great
26:38congratulations
26:39so
26:40you
26:40should
26:40keep
26:40that
26:40momentum
26:41and
26:41try
26:41to
26:41find
26:42your
26:42way
26:42but
26:43if
26:43the
26:43result
26:43is
26:43not
26:43as
26:44great
26:44as
26:44expected
26:45don't
26:45worry
26:45there
26:46are
26:46a lot
26:46of
26:46path
26:46out
26:47there
26:47waiting
26:47for
26:47you
26:48I
26:48wish
26:48I
26:49wish
27:00I
27:00had
27:00this
27:00crucial
27:01path
27:01right
27:01now
27:01but
27:02nothing
27:03is
27:03ever
27:03the
27:03end
27:03I
27:03feel
27:04so
27:04SPM
27:05may
27:05shape
27:05the
27:06starting
27:06point
27:06but
27:06in
27:07today's
27:07world
27:07it's
27:08what
27:08comes
27:08next
27:08is
27:09more
27:09important
27:10I
27:10feel
27:10thank
27:10you
27:11so
27:11much
27:11to
27:11all
27:12those
27:12watching
27:12that's
27:13all
27:13from
27:13us
27:14all
27:14right
27:14bye
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