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00:0030 years of friendship.
00:01You, ma'am, were a bridesmaid in her wedding.
00:04You claim she stole from you.
00:06She went into my purse.
00:08No.
00:09You knew she was in the hospital, right?
00:11See, she's crying.
00:12I was there for her, but she didn't tell me.
00:14Why would she steal from you?
00:16Who are we supposed to believe?
00:18Now on Tribunal Justice.
00:42Today's case was filed in Cincinnati, Ohio.
00:45Yeah, this is case number 3002 on the count
00:48in the matter of Johnson versus Baldwin.
00:51Thank you, Byrd.
00:52You're welcome, Judge.
00:53Parties have been sworn in.
00:54You may be seated.
00:55Ms. Johnson and Ms. Baldwin, 30 years of friendship
00:59between the two of you.
01:00Your kids went to homecoming together.
01:02You, ma'am, were a bridesmaid in her wedding.
01:05You were family.
01:06Yes.
01:06Are you still married?
01:07No.
01:08Well, at least you had a lovely bridesmaid at some point.
01:13Yes, ma'am.
01:14So then you had this great idea to take a trip together,
01:17and you were going to go to a music festival.
01:19And then you, ma'am, Ms. Baldwin,
01:21you paid the plaintiff your portion of the music festival in cash.
01:26You wrote a check to the festival promoters.
01:29Mm-hmm.
01:29And it was a disaster, because the night before,
01:32the festival was canceled.
01:34So that is the mess that the two of you found yourselves in.
01:38Yes.
01:38But the hotel offered discounted rooms,
01:42since it seems like you all really got short shrift by this original promoter.
01:47Mm-hmm.
01:47So you decide you are going to take the trip.
01:49Yes.
01:50Because that trip, too, was a disaster,
01:52and that's why the two of you are in court today.
01:54Yes, ma'am.
01:55Ms. Johnson, you are suing the defendant for $1,035.
01:59You say that she didn't pay for her half of the hotel,
02:02that you had to pay for tips.
02:04You loaned her some money because she didn't have spending money on the trip.
02:07And then you further allege that she actually stole money from you.
02:11Yes, she did.
02:12Ms. Baldwin, you say that you had no obligation to repay some of these funds,
02:17because the core part of your defense is that you'd already paid her for the festival.
02:23Yes, ma'am.
02:24And that she had some obligation to try to get that money back,
02:27which included your money.
02:29And then you would pay her for trip number two, the makeup trip,
02:33after anything was left over.
02:35Yes, ma'am.
02:35Let's talk about what happens after you decide to take the trip.
02:40Who was paying for what?
02:41Well, I called her once because I got the emails on the canceled trip.
02:46And I called her and said, they've canceled a trip on us at the last minute.
02:50And we've already paid for our airline tickets and everything.
02:54But they weren't giving us any reasons or talking about giving us our money back.
02:59So I called down to the Hard Rock.
03:01And they offered us to come down at a lower rate,
03:04because they said it was a lot of people in the same.
03:06And they had booked out the whole-
03:08And they were trying to accommodate.
03:09Yeah, and they were really nice about it.
03:11And so I called Debbie and I said, look,
03:13they're offering us to come down.
03:15And it's like a little over 700 or so apiece by the time all the fees are added in.
03:20And she said she still wanted to go.
03:22I said, well, what I'll do is I'll go ahead and I'll prepay.
03:27But you have to pay me back, just like you paid on the other trip, like you did.
03:31You can pay me in increments.
03:34So I said, okay.
03:35Ms. Baldwin, I would like you to tell the court what was your understanding
03:40of how you were going to fulfill your payment obligation.
03:42First off, I thought she put the first trip on her credit card.
03:46That's what she was telling me, because we're supposed to pay insurance on the credit card.
03:50So I'm thinking we'll get something back off our first trip that we paid for.
03:55And I'm thinking that will cover my-
03:57So you're thinking that she's going to get some money back by disputing-
04:01Right, on her credit card.
04:03...that horrible experience that you were going to get your portion back
04:06and then you would apply that toward the second part of the trip.
04:09But you paid by check.
04:11We have evidence that you paid by check.
04:12And I paid by check.
04:13She knew I paid by check.
04:15Hey, hey, hey.
04:15Okay.
04:15What I really want to know is, did you make any effort with your bank to try to recover those
04:21funds?
04:22Yes, I did. I called them.
04:23They don't reimburse on checks like they do on credit cards.
04:26There was no reimbursement for me to get from my bank.
04:28So now we're on trip two and you say it's a disaster because she keeps bumming money from you.
04:33You had to pay for the tips for the wheelchair.
04:37Yes.
04:37Did you guys both agree that you needed wheelchairs?
04:39Yes.
04:40But you tipped.
04:41I tipped.
04:41She tipped.
04:42I tipped, too.
04:42I tipped, too.
04:43This is your burden of proof is that you spent this money on tips.
04:47I didn't see evidence of that tip money, but you knew she was on a tighter budget.
04:50We established that at the outset.
04:52That's why you said she could pay in installments.
04:54You knew that cash was a little tight.
04:56And then another part of your lawsuit is the $75 loan.
04:59Did you borrow some money from her?
05:01And I paid her back the 27th of January because I got paid.
05:04I got it on my phone.
05:05So she says that she paid you back.
05:08I got paid that week.
05:09I don't know that I saw evidence of that extra money,
05:12but let me just keep it moving because I think the most serious allegation is that
05:17you claim she stole from you.
05:19Mm-hmm.
05:19Now, why would she steal from you?
05:21Because she kept trying to borrow money, and I refused to give her any money because she
05:25kept going.
05:26She went to the casino with the first money I gave her, and I told her not to do that
05:30because stuff had to be paid for.
05:32And if you're on a trip with no money, why would you go to the casino and spend the money
05:36that somebody gave you?
05:37Did you go to the casino?
05:38No, it wasn't really no casino there.
05:41Yeah, yeah.
05:41I'm also going to tell you candidly, Ms. Johnson, your evidence of the theft is that she said
05:46she had no money, and then she had some money.
05:48That's not the strongest case of theft.
05:50And now what really seems to be animating your lawsuit and your anger is something you said in
05:56your complaint that you were diagnosed with kidney cancer, and you said,
06:00What hurt me was that Debbie never, all in caps, never came to check on me while I was in
06:07the
06:07hospital.
06:07Never.
06:08This was my friend of 30 years.
06:10I would have been there for her.
06:12When my health recovered, our friendship just wasn't the same.
06:16I was more hurt because I had been there for her.
06:19I was there for her.
06:20I didn't know she had this type of cancer.
06:22I knew she had surgery, but she didn't tell me.
06:25I don't.
06:25Well, now you know.
06:26Yes, now I know.
06:27Now you never told her that.
06:28You knew she was in the hospital, right?
06:30Yes.
06:31Well, she told me she went to the hospital.
06:33How come you didn't go?
06:34I didn't go because I didn't feel she need...
06:36I'm not a hospital person, and she said she would be all right.
06:39I didn't know she had this type of cancer.
06:41Okay, how long were you in the hospital for?
06:42Eleven days.
06:44Eleven days.
06:44I see more your position that you would expect a good friend to show up.
06:49Clearly, see, she's crying.
06:53Coming up on Tribunal Justice...
06:55Your Honor, she told me she is not going to pay me my money to take her down.
07:00I look at the two of you.
07:01I'm going to do this because it's actually funny.
07:08Natalie Johnson is suing lifelong friend Debbie Baldwin for $1,035, half the cost of their vacation.
07:16But Debbie claims an earlier vacation was canceled, then refunded to Natalie.
07:20Now her friend is trying to double dip.
07:23How long were you in the hospital for?
07:25Eleven days.
07:26Eleven days.
07:27I see more your position that you would expect a good friend to show up.
07:31Clearly, see, she's crying.
07:33You know why she's crying?
07:34Yes, because she hurt.
07:36Like I said, I called her when she came home.
07:38And like I said, I did not know she had this.
07:41I worked.
07:41But the bottom line is, you're now here in a lawsuit that somehow has come from this hurt,
07:48this sadness.
07:48And we're here.
07:50So I want to clear up something for me because I was kind of confused.
07:53You know, you both were saying a couple of things that were a little bit different.
07:55You pay for this first trip.
07:57You pay by check.
07:58And nobody disputes the amount that you paid and that you were paid in full.
08:01You were going to go for three nights and four days.
08:04Is that it?
08:04Yes, ma'am.
08:05Right?
08:05Now, when you spoke to the hotel and they said that you were going to get a deal from them,
08:09I know they charged you another $700 a person, right?
08:12What was that for?
08:13Another day?
08:14Did you get a discount rate because of the concert?
08:17Because the concert ripped us off.
08:18They offered us a discount rate to come on.
08:21So we had to double pay for the room.
08:22Okay, so you paid.
08:23She told me I owed her $1,400.
08:26And that's why I didn't understand.
08:27I get it that you would think that she could get reimbursed.
08:31But I would imagine, as we've all said, that that's if she paid by credit card.
08:35Now, you paid tips, you know, using the wheelchairs.
08:38And that's appropriate to do.
08:40But I heard you say you paid a tip, too.
08:42I gave my wheelchair a person.
08:44But I don't believe that either.
08:45You know why?
08:46Because in all of these things here, you never once said,
08:49why should I pay the tips she gave when I gave tips, too?
08:52I think you were shooting from the hip in this courtroom on that one.
08:55I gave her my person that drove me tip.
08:58I'm just telling you my feeling.
09:00You know, it doesn't make you a bad person.
09:02It makes you a tipless person.
09:04Okay, so we're back to you.
09:05So now they tell you an extra $700 a person.
09:08Because your airfare, which was $500 each, was non-refundable.
09:11Right.
09:11That was non-refundable.
09:13That's why we used to work with that.
09:14So you're either out everything and the $500,
09:16or you lay out another $700 for what could have been a real terrific trip.
09:22So I think that your first hotel was $1,250 a person,
09:26plus the $700 for the additional charge and the $500 for the airfare.
09:31So you would have been out of pocket $2,450 when all was said and done.
09:35I added up $2,150.
09:36What do you do for a living, ma'am?
09:37I'm retired now.
09:38What were you doing before you retired?
09:40I was a caregiver for over 40 years.
09:42And ma'am, what did you do for a living?
09:44I'm an STNA for America Home Care.
09:46You also work for Home Care?
09:47Yes, ma'am.
09:48I take care of seniors.
09:49You mentioned you're still working, is that correct?
09:50Yes, ma'am.
09:51So you were both relatively comfortable to take a trip for $2,400.
09:56Yes, ma'am.
09:56So what the heck are you doing here?
09:58I don't know.
09:58Come on.
09:59We're here because she don't want to give me my money.
10:02You owe her $700.
10:03Why not?
10:04Why don't you owe her $700?
10:05She just told me $1,100.
10:07I was going to make arrangements to pay her.
10:09But you didn't give her anything.
10:10You didn't even say, look, I know I owe you $700.
10:12I'm not going to give you the rest.
10:14Here's a little bit.
10:15And then go to the hospital.
10:16You wouldn't be here.
10:17Your Honor, she told me she is not going to pay me my money.
10:20I said I'm not going to pay her.
10:22I look at the two of you.
10:23I'm going to do this because it's actually funny.
10:25Because I'm thinking she would recoup money off her credit card.
10:27I didn't know she did check.
10:28I told her I didn't.
10:30Ladies, I'm going to pass this over to Judge Levy,
10:32who also has some very interesting questions for both of you.
10:36I don't know about that.
10:38I'm going to start with this $50 theft.
10:41So, Ms. Johnson, you remember going to a small claims court
10:45in Hamilton County Municipal Court, Cincinnati, Ohio, right?
10:48Mm-hmm.
10:49And you went there to file a small claims action, correct?
10:51And you did that against your friend of 30-plus years, right?
10:55Mm-hmm.
10:56You put in that form the truth that she stole from you.
11:00Okay.
11:01You did, right?
11:02I don't remember what that form says.
11:05I filled it out a couple months ago.
11:07I got it right here, too.
11:08Thank you, Cassandra.
11:09You're welcome.
11:10You're welcome.
11:10You are Natalie L. Johnson, correct?
11:13Yep.
11:13You're suing the defendant for $1,100, prepaid for a trip to Punta Cana.
11:18Mm-hmm.
11:19She got wheelchair service.
11:20I paid for, and she borrowed $50.
11:26Okay.
11:27What do you mean, okay?
11:28You came in here today, swore to tell the truth,
11:31and told us that she stole $50 from you.
11:33She did steal $50.
11:35Where in this document does it say that?
11:36I didn't put that on there.
11:38And the fact that you clearly came in here and told us something that was materially different
11:43from what you told the Hamilton County judge in your small claims action does not bode well for you.
11:50You understand that, right?
11:52Mm-hmm.
11:52Good.
11:53Let's go through the actual price of the hotel.
11:56It was $700, right?
11:58It was more than that.
12:00No, this is your complaint.
12:02It was $1,400.
12:03I said the rooms would be about $700 each.
12:06But that didn't count all of the fees.
12:09They added all these international fees on to our room.
12:12This is plaintiff's exhibit number four, right?
12:15Credit.
12:16This is the hard rock.
12:17Yeah, that's the hard rock.
12:18Ain't no fees there.
12:19The entire bill was $1,094.70, right?
12:22They don't put them on the hotel fees because they don't go to the hotel.
12:26They're fees for the Dominican.
12:28We have to pay.
12:29Understand something.
12:31Very clearly.
12:31I don't care about that.
12:33All I care about is what you swore to under the penalties of perjury in your complaint to us.
12:41Coming up on Tribunal Justice.
12:43Once a snake shows you they're a snake, you have to believe.
12:46Oh, you see how to start.
12:53Natalie Johnson is suing her friend of 30 years, Debbie Baldwin, for the balance owed on a vacation,
12:59$1,035.
13:00But Debbie claims she paid Natalie for an earlier vacation that was canceled and refunded to her friend.
13:07So she owes nothing.
13:09You said that the hotel fees were $1,400 and she owed you seven.
13:14We look at this.
13:16This is your evidence.
13:17And it says the amount that was charged was $1,094.70, which, by the way, you paid via a
13:26credit card, a MasterCard.
13:28Not cash.
13:29In your complaint that you gave us under the penalties of perjury, you said it was cash.
13:35You now say it's a mistake the same way that you said it was a mistake when you told the
13:40judge in Hamilton County that she borrowed the money and she didn't steal the money.
13:43No, that's two different transactions.
13:45Who are we supposed to believe?
13:47She bought, I loaned her money in the airport, but at the hotel, she went into my purse.
13:54That was two different actions.
13:56It was not the same action.
13:58Why didn't you then include that in the Hamilton County case?
14:01Because I'm trying to, Debbie, Debbie is like a sister to me.
14:07So what changed between Hamilton County when you didn't want to bring it up and here when you did want
14:12to bring it up?
14:13Well, she's been cursing me out and stuff, and I tried to talk to her about it, and I'm like,
14:18Debbie, all I do, we would not even be here if she would have just made a payment plan, and
14:22I would have let all of this go.
14:24I wouldn't have even came out here.
14:26I wouldn't have went to Hamilton County, but she kept...
14:28How was it that you sent them a check, by the way, as opposed to just putting it on your
14:32debit or on your credit card?
14:33Because they offered us a discount if we paid by check.
14:36What?
14:36What?
14:37First time we're hearing about a discount now.
14:39The discount was done before. It still cost us $2,600, but they took off...
14:43Did she tell you about a discount, Ms. Baldwin?
14:45Yeah.
14:46No, she did not.
14:46I just found out, because I did invest it.
14:48We're all finding out for the very first time now.
14:50You chose to send him a check, and thereby took away the protection that she could have had for her
14:56money?
14:57She agreed to it.
14:57I want to understand. Is that correct?
14:58She agreed to it.
14:59Show me proof that she agreed to it.
15:01What proof could I have?
15:02You can have a text message.
15:03No, we don't check like that. We call each other. We call each other on the phone, and we talked
15:08about all of it.
15:09Yeah. Yeah. I understand correctly. I think I'm going to pass it now. I believe Judge Acker or Judge Domingo
15:14may have some questions of the expert witnesses here.
15:16I do. You know, you two were not the only ones who were in this situation.
15:20Right.
15:21And there really were some allegations against this concert promoter that the way they were accepting payment was a little
15:28shady.
15:29So, I'm going to ask our expert from the Better Business Bureau to join us now, please, if you would,
15:35sir.
15:36Hi.
15:36Oh.
15:36Could you please just state your name for the record and tell us what you do?
15:40Hi. I'm Steve McFarland.
15:42I'm the president and CEO of the Better Business Bureau of Los Angeles with about 24 million consumers in our
15:50area, about 470,000 businesses.
15:54Our BBB gets 1,100 consumer complaints per day, every day.
15:59Are you familiar with the music festival put on by Music Getaways?
16:03Oh, yeah. We have hundreds of phone calls came pouring in after the cancellation, and a lot of people lost
16:10thousands of dollars needlessly.
16:12Are you aware of any of those complaints being resolved? Did anybody get redress?
16:18We don't have any evidence at all of anybody getting any refunds, a transfer of that credit over to a
16:26new venue for a subsequent event.
16:30Incidentally, we don't also see anybody getting back to us that got refunds from their credit cards.
16:37So just because you pay on a credit card, which is advised, by the way, that's not necessarily a guarantee
16:43that you're going to get a refund, but it sure increases your chances, especially for domestic purchases.
16:48Thank you for your testimony. I don't know if my colleagues have questions.
16:51I do have a question, but for you.
16:53Can you guys fix this relationship?
16:56Mm-mm.
16:59Really?
16:59Once a snake shows you they're a snake, you have to believe that they're...
17:03Oh, you see how to start. All right. I'm going to let it go.
17:06I have something. Yeah, I want to talk about being a snake.
17:09I'm asking you now, ma'am, Ms. Baldwin, you started off your testimony with Judge Acker by saying that it
17:14was your belief that she put the trip on her credit card.
17:18That's what I was told.
17:19By who?
17:20Her.
17:20And you, ma'am, Ms. Johnson, you just told me, I want to make sure this is clear before I
17:24go back and deliberate with my colleagues, that you intended at first to pay the fee to the Music Fest
17:31people with your credit card, but only then, afterwards, sent a check because they gave you a discount.
17:38Was that correct?
17:40Yeah, they called.
17:41Thank you. I have nothing further.
17:43We're going to retire to deliberate. Thank you, ladies.
17:45This case will be recalled.
17:53I'm not sure where you are, Patricia.
17:55I have a sense that Adam is suspicious about some of the plaintiff's evidence, but I'll let you speak to
18:01that.
18:01I don't think that there's any evidence that the defendant stole money from her purse.
18:06I think it was a great point you made that if she was really concerned about a theft, that would
18:10have been in the complaint.
18:12But even if she had put it in that initial complaint, I just don't think that because somebody shows up
18:17with some balled-up money that that is at all, to me, dispositive of theft.
18:22With respect to the tips, one of you, I think it was you, Patricia, you said you didn't find the
18:27defendant credible because, remember, during her testimony, she said—
18:30Oh, I gave tips, too.
18:30I gave tips, too.
18:31In her answer, she said there was no obligation for me to pay back the tip.
18:35Now, I don't think she was credible, but I'm just not sure that there was an expectation of repayment for
18:40that amount.
18:41Where I am, I think, with you, Adam, I think there's some confusion about the numbers.
18:45I don't know about all of these international fees that were paid back and forth.
18:49I'm willing to reimburse her half of the hotel bill.
18:51Okay, so I'm with you on the tips and those extras.
18:54There was no evidence in there that when she gave this money over, especially knowing that she allegedly came on
18:59the trip with no money, that she was expecting repayment.
19:02So as to that, I'm not going to give her anything.
19:04I do think she was confused.
19:06The two sums of money, she lent her $75, and then she asked her for another $75, and she didn't
19:12want to give her that other $75 because she was going to the casino,
19:15which I also believe that she did do and then subsequently wasn't sure she did or not.
19:20But it was after that second $75 that she refused to give her that she believes that she went in
19:27her pocket or wallet and took the money.
19:29I think it's all convoluted as well.
19:31With regard to the $700 for the trip, I think the plaintiff really did want to see something,
19:36and I'm inclined to give her that additional $700 that she put out for them to go on the trip
19:42and not take a big hit,
19:44just take a smaller hit.
19:46So that's where I am on this.
19:48I think the $50, even though money-wise, amount-wise, it's not a big deal.
19:54And the complaint, the plaintiff said how hurt she was and how upset she was that she took that money.
19:58And the fact that you omitted that important information from a prior sworn document does not bode well for your
20:04credibility.
20:05That's how I started this off.
20:06And then we go to the plaintiff's complaint about how much were the rooms.
20:10She could not have been any more clear.
20:12The plaintiff is suing for $1,035, second trip.
20:16That money is made up of $700 that the plaintiff says the defendant owes her for a hotel room,
20:23that the evidence that the plaintiff herself provided us with only cost her $1,100, not $1,400.
20:31That's a major oversight.
20:33And the explanation that there were fees that the Dominican Republic charge fell to me on deaf ears.
20:38So we know that she fails to meet her burden with respect to that $700, the one-half cost of
20:43the room.
20:44But what the defendant was saying is she put the first trip on a credit card.
20:49That's what she told me.
20:50And then the plaintiff decides, wait a minute, they tell me that I'm going to get a discount if I
20:57pay by cash or by check.
20:59I'm just going to write a check.
21:01That's what the plaintiff told us she did.
21:03Well, the defendant says she never told me that I was getting a discount.
21:06The reason that I gave her the cash was because she was paying with a credit card, and with a
21:11credit card, we get protections.
21:13But the evidence in this record is that even people who paid with credit cards didn't necessarily—
21:18Correct.
21:18They weren't reimbursed.
21:19But I sort of reflexively had a much more innocuous explanation in my head for why she went from credit
21:26card to check,
21:28because this promoter was doing what a lot of people do, which is what, like, I just had to deal
21:33with this with a business yesterday.
21:36She went to go do it however, and then they were like, credit cards, we add 3%.
21:40And she said, heck no.
21:42And then maybe at the time it just didn't seem like a material distinction.
21:45Well, I went to where you were with that, because if there was reimbursement, then she would have been in
21:50a bad place.
21:50But that's not where we are in this case.
21:52We don't know that.
21:53But we do know it, because nobody—we had an expert who came in here and said no one got anything
21:58back.
21:58He has no direct knowledge how many people got refunds, who got refunds, credit cards, or what have you.
22:03He said, generally speaking, and whether or not the plaintiff decided to write a check because she didn't want to
22:09pay a 2% fee or a special discount that they gave,
22:12what her decision, unilateral decision cost, theoretically to the defendant, was half of her cash.
22:19I just dealt with the initial premise, which is that paying by credit card was a material term of the
22:26deal.
22:26Because I didn't say that information.
22:28I don't think they put—
22:28I don't either.
22:29Think about it.
22:30They're excited to do this trip.
22:31But they're not thinking about what's going to happen if they cancel on us the night before.
22:35I think you kind of—
22:36I just don't think it was material.
22:37Sorry.
22:37I kind of think you fed the defendant that, well, you thought you were going to get protected if you
22:41used a credit card.
22:41Yeah.
22:41I don't think we're unanimous.
22:43That's okay.
22:44I'll dissent.
22:45Give us $700.
22:46$700.
22:47Done.
22:47All right.
22:51Quarters back in session.
22:52Parties are reminded you're still under oath.
22:54Thank you, Bird.
22:5630-year friendship.
22:5730 years.
22:59In her wedding.
23:00Kids went to homecoming together.
23:02And now here we are.
23:03And it strikes me that there are some misunderstandings that were at play.
23:07Because you put in your answer.
23:09She said this was on her credit card.
23:11She's double dipping.
23:12There's no evidence that she's double dipping.
23:14There's no evidence she got any money back.
23:16We know she didn't put the money on her credit card.
23:17So you were proceeding with some assumptions that turned out not to be true.
23:23And, you know, I was going to do, Ms. Johnson, the same thing that Judge DiMango did and see if
23:27there was a way back for the two of you.
23:30And you were pretty firm.
23:31And what you said, and I wrote it down, once a snake shows you its colors.
23:36You know she's not a snake.
23:37If you thought she was a snake, you wouldn't have wanted to celebrate down with her in Putacana.
23:41And she was really sick.
23:44I hope there's a way back.
23:45In the meantime, we have resolved your legal dispute.
23:48We are not unanimous.
23:50Judge Levy is in the dissent in this case.
23:52Ms. Johnson, he would dismiss your claim in its entirety because he had big problems with your credibility and some
23:58of your evidence.
23:59Judge DiMango and I did not.
24:02And we are going to award you $700, half of the hotel bill.
24:06And I will just say it again.
24:08I really hope you can find a way back because three-decade friendships are so rare.
24:15And you just don't want to look back and start missing each other before it's too late.
24:19But that's the verdict of the court.
24:21Good luck to you both.
24:22Really.
24:22Be welcome.
24:23This case is now concluded.
24:25Parties are excused.
24:26You may step out.
24:29I didn't know she was in the hospital for 11 days.
24:32I work.
24:33I don't hate her or anything like that.
24:35I just don't have any trust for her anymore.
24:37It's negative to me.
24:38And I want to be positive.
24:39I'm going on with my life.
24:41I love her as a sister-girlfriend.
24:43But sometimes family just can't stay together anymore.
24:47Did someone break an agreement?
24:49Let tribunal justice decide your case.
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