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00:00Hello, I'm Angela Scanlon and welcome to Unfinished Business, the show that over-analyses the dog-eat-dog
00:05world of The Apprentice. Coming up, I'll be speaking to the latest candidates to leave the
00:10process, Kieran and Rothner. Lord Sugar shares his thoughts on the task, and look what the
00:16cat's dragged in. I'm joined by presenter Owain Wynne-Evans and Apprentice interviewer and business
00:22expert Claudine Collins. This is The Apprentice Unfinished Business.
00:31Welcome Claudine and Owain. Oh, thanks for having us. Thank you for being here. The teams this week
00:38had to create a new pet lifestyle brand, so they had to design a product, they had to create a
00:43social
00:43media video and then pitch to retailers. Claudine, what is the secret to a task like this? I think
00:49first and foremost, you have to devise a product that is slightly different to what's out there,
00:57something that people that own that pet would actually want. And you really have to believe
01:04in it, you have to be passionate about it. Social media videos got to be a bit funny,
01:08the brand has to be on point with the actual product. So there's a lot of things to get right,
01:15but I think first and foremost, the product has to be something that is just a little bit outside of
01:21the box from the norm. This was a classic case of cats versus dogs. Where do your alliances lie?
01:27Dog. Dog. I am obsessed with dogs. I don't have one because I'm working and it wouldn't be fair,
01:35but honestly, a dog cannot go past me in the street without me saying, can I just give it a
01:40little
01:40pet? Okay. What about you, Owen? I am a cat person traditionally, but I do feel like now I'm
01:48wanting to sort of dip a toe in both camps because I really want a dog. But my cat Franny
01:53is 14,
01:54she's an old girl. I just love the complete lack of unconditional love. I love the way that she looks
02:00me up and down and wishes that I wasn't there. But, you know, I don't know if she's, you know,
02:06I'm very working class. I come from a very working class background. I can't figure out if the cat is
02:10classist or homophobic at this stage, but there's something about me she doesn't like.
02:15It was a bit of a dog fight, wasn't it, on Team Alpha to bag the project manager role. Let's
02:20remind
02:20ourselves of that. Guys, I would also like to put myself over this PM as a dog owner. I know
02:25what dogs love.
02:26I've had German Shepherds growing up and now I also have a Shih Tzu. So I've had big dogs,
02:31small dogs. I can speak dog. I can speak dog as well. People call me the dog whisperer.
02:38I've got a cockapoo. I had a lab, rescued a Shih Tzu. I've also had a cat. Cats and dogs,
02:43horses, all of it.
02:47Can you speak dog? I can't speak dog. No, not me. But it does feel like we've kind of seen
02:52the last
02:53couple of weeks. Both Karishma and Pasha have kind of fought to take the reins. Two alphas on Team Alpha.
03:01Yeah. Yeah. And I think that it was really interesting, you know, with that exchange that
03:06they both not only wanted to take that role, but actually, I do think they both seriously
03:13love dogs and they kind of, you know, are therefore qualified to be the person who's kind of leading
03:18a challenge like that. Yeah. I mean, I think the boys just didn't know what had hit them.
03:23They're both like looking from one to the other going, okay, yeah, I'm not definitely not putting
03:29myself forward. It's got to be one of these boss women. But yeah, they're really kind of like fighting
03:35for it. I know. I absolutely love it. Yeah, so do I. I love it. So do I.
03:39The team created a talking dog bed, an innovative idea, but lacking in scientific backing, it would
03:47appear. Were you guys sold on it? So I actually was sold on it. I thought, oh my God, that's
03:53such
03:53a good idea. Now, as I stated, I don't actually have a dog. However, what I do think is they
04:00could
04:00have adapted it. It could be a soothing sound for the dog when an ambulance goes past or a big
04:06noise
04:06goes past. So the noise activation, the built in. Yes, it could have been adapted to that. So I think
04:11that that was a good idea. I thought, you know, what I was expecting this product to be
04:17was something that you could send a voice message to, as opposed to it being the same,
04:23which as we saw on the show, gets a little bit repetitive after a while. But it's like,
04:28hi, baby, I'll be home soon. Loads of love on heavy rotation. And then it's like,
04:34this is starting to wear thin. You said you'd be home soon, nine hours ago.
04:39So true. You've lost my trust. Literally, when you close the front door
04:43upon leaving, hi, baby, I'm just gonna pop out. It's so true, isn't it? But actually, again,
04:50the like makings of something brilliant, and the conviction with which they sold it was also quite
04:57admirable, I would say. Pasha's attempt to make his spelling mistake look like a luxury
05:04maneuver was a lesson for the ages. It was superb. I mean, even when a French guy said that it
05:13was
05:13the wrong spelling, she was like, no, it wasn't. Yeah, it was. If they would have gone with the
05:19confidence of being like, right, OK, for example, the word evoke is spelt not the way you see it on
05:26the back of a Range Rover. That's a different spelling. You know, and very similar with a chic,
05:31chic thing with this. Poetic license. Poetic license. We've done it this way because we want
05:35it to sound that way, but we don't want it to look that way. Also trademarking. Much easier,
05:40you would imagine. And I think it's important that the records state it is actually the correct
05:44spelling in Portuguese. Yeah, not in English or French, obviously. From one team who knew a lot
05:52about pets to another who knew, well, absolutely nothing. Ciarán took the lead due to the deal
05:58that he had made with Lord Sugar. Yeah. And it was either win the task or walk. Do we think
06:05that
06:05either Rothnaught or Dan would have been better suited as PM on this particular task? Oh, absolutely. I
06:11think that, I think Dan did a great job in some elements of this task in particular. I thought he
06:19was brilliant. Whereas I definitely felt like, you know, Ciarán was ploughing through with an idea
06:25and not really taking on board anything that Rothna was saying. And I really felt for her,
06:31actually, when I was watching it. And it's interesting because Rothna flagged early on. Yeah. She's like,
06:36Ciarán, sometimes you lack attention to detail, so I want to be with you to keep an eye on that.
06:41And she tried. But did she need to be a bit more forceful in that? She did. I mean,
06:46the honest truth is, I don't think he'd have taken any notice, however forceful she was. And
06:51ultimately, he's project manager, so he gets the ultimate say. And her instincts were right. I mean,
06:55she knew that cats don't, in fact, like cheese. They like mice and mice like cheese. So she's like,
07:01there's something here, but it's not quite right. Absolutely. And I don't know many cats that love
07:08bananas and apples either, to be fair. The banana nearly sent me. Me too.
07:12I mean, my cat has never interacted with a banana. No. Can confirm.
07:16Okay. Owen, do you reckon, as a cat dad, that Franny would be into this tree, banana aside?
07:22Banana aside, I think she would take one look at it and think, what the hell is that?
07:25And then, much like she does when I enter the room. I think that she would maybe try the rotating
07:35mouse disc thing. Yeah, that was cute. If they'd have made it something that, you know,
07:41that would fit into a setting like this, you know, stylish, something a little bit mid-century,
07:46something that maybe looked like an indoor plant, not like an actual tree, you know, the size of an
07:52actual tree anyway. Maybe it would have worked. But no, Franny would not be interested in that.
07:56She wouldn't be interested. I don't think. Let's talk about the one-man branding team,
07:59Dan. Because actually, left to his own devices. He was clear. He was enjoying himself. He was
08:05assertive. I think Baroness Brady was kind of, you know, impressed. Yeah, he did really well. Listen,
08:12he didn't have to confer with anyone. He just did what he thought. It could have gone hideously
08:18wrong in that. But actually, it was really good. I thought it was a good brand, good colouring.
08:24Yeah. And everyone seemed to like it. And I think the designer who was working with him, oh my gosh,
08:29there was like smoke coming out of her fingers. He was like, do that in green. No, resize that,
08:34no scale that. Yeah. He knew what he wanted and he was doing it well. Yeah. What we're after,
08:38isn't it? OK, we've heard what you guys think. Shall we have a little listen to what Lord Sugar has
08:43to
08:44say? He sent me the weekly voice note. Hi, Angela. Hello. Now, the market research spoke for itself.
08:52Common sense was lacking when it came to the cat tree. You don't need to be a cat lover to
08:58know
08:58that if your cat can't physically reach the top of the tree, then it's time to cut it down.
09:04That's a good point. Anyway, next stops, the final five. Let's hope they don't make
09:09a dog's dinner of the interviews. There you go. There you go. He's not wrong,
09:16is he? He's not wrong. Common sense went a bit out the window, Claudine, didn't it?
09:20How do you stay focused? Because I feel like it is almost with, you know, the final five in sight
09:26that there's, you know, it can kind of get into your head. I think how you have to do it
09:31is you
09:32literally have to go back to basics and you have to kind of write, what exactly am I looking to
09:38do?
09:38What am I looking to achieve? How am I going to get there? Does this tick all the boxes of
09:43what I
09:43need it to do? And if you'd have gone back to that, it would have been, actually, how does the
09:50cat get in
09:50there? Is it too big? Would it, would we be better making it smaller? Do we think it's more attainable
09:57then and more will sell? So you just almost have to take a step back out of yourself and kind
10:03of
10:03start from the beginning and think, if there was no, like, not so much pressure on me, what would I
10:10do?
10:10And that's kind of how you have to do it. Well, it is time to meet the candidate who made
10:15a big deal
10:15with the big boss. They say every dog has its day, but this was not Kieran's, was it? Let's remind
10:21ourselves of the moment that he walked. And the message there is, you didn't push him enough,
10:27you gave in too early. Let's go walkies.
10:32We had a deal. We've got a deal. Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you for the opportunity.
10:39Well done, Kieran. All the best, guys.
10:45Kieran, everybody. Oh, thank you. Brilliant. Welcome. Let's go walkies. Let's go walkies.
10:52Let's go talkies. Iconic. It was quite iconic. I even forgot I said that as well, which is hilarious.
10:57It was quite good. That was good. Let's talk about the deal that you made with Lord Sugar.
11:01Had you considered it? Like, was it planned when you were about to go back into the boardroom,
11:05were you like, this is what I'm going to throw at him last minute? Or was it totally spur of
11:09the moment?
11:10In the CAF, I was like, I've probably got to figure something out here to stay.
11:17I thought I was going. So I kind of just thought, why not? Let's give it some. And it just
11:22come out.
11:23Are you OK? It's when he went through, everyone was like, do you want to make this deal? And I
11:27was
11:27like, oh, no. If someone said yes, they might have like, they got the opportunity and I was going.
11:31Yeah. But it works. It works. Sort of. Sort of.
11:37The cat tree. The beautiful cat tree. The beautiful cat tree. Let's talk about it.
11:43It was pretty large and pretty heavy. In fact, we actually couldn't get it here today because
11:48I don't have a pickup truck. But Rothner, at a few points, did attempt to interject and,
11:57you know, tried to tone it down a bit. But you stuck very much to your mantra of go big
12:02or go home.
12:02Was that a mistake? I should have listened to Rothner, but I'm like, when I get an idea,
12:07I'm just like, let's do it. Let's just go crazy with it. You know, house plants are normally like
12:13five, six foot, right? Well, it depends on the house plant, I suppose. Yeah. I mean,
12:17maybe it's not for flats. Maybe it is for just nice big homes and houses and big flats.
12:23Tall. Tall flats. Yeah. High ceilings. Very high ceilings. Okay. Okay. In hindsight,
12:28do you reckon there's anything you would have done differently except for maybe listen to Rothner?
12:32I think in that task, the only thing I would have done different and what it's frowned upon
12:36throughout the show is that they said, don't interject on other people's negotiations. If I
12:41would have jumped in on Dan, we would have won. We would have got the extra 1500 they were willing
12:45to give.
12:47Other people do interject in the negotiations. I know, but it's frowned upon,
12:50so if it went wrong, it would have made me look bad in a lot. I mean, I had nothing
12:53to lose. I
12:53should have just done it, but yeah. When you didn't win, you stuck to your bargain. You were
12:58like, okay, I'm in, I'm out even. And quite an iconic exit. Claudine Owain,
13:04did you expect that Kieran might put up a bit more of a fight? I did actually. I thought that
13:10you would.
13:10I understand. I mean, you never got the finger, did you? You never got that you were fired.
13:14But you're saying straight off, this is Dan. Dan lost this task force. It was the negotiation from
13:20Dan, yeah. Yeah. So there may have been an opportunity to, you know. I think there could
13:25have been an opportunity, but I'm a man of my word and I sort of live by that in my
13:28everyday life. So,
13:42you had fought for it because you were PM like the week before the interviews, but you won't know.
13:49I'll never know. No, you'll never know. No. Fun fact, you are the candidate who was brought back
13:54to the boardroom the most times. Yes. Four, that is, in total. Why do you think that was?
14:00Biggest threat, I reckon. Biggest threat. Yeah.
14:03You know, I just think I'm quite loud and out there and I'm quite an easy person to blame if
14:08it all
14:09goes wrong because I'm, I put my, my ideas out where some people stay quiet and don't get noticed
14:13as much. And how do you think then that you survived that many? I think Lord Sugar respects
14:19the fact that you go for it and you, you do get involved. Because if you don't get involved,
14:23what's the point of being there? And he liked you, didn't he? He said he liked your spirit.
14:28Yeah. He liked you. He could see definitely something in you. You know, that's why,
14:32that's how he keeps people in the process time after time, because he can see something.
14:36I could have stayed. If I would have fought my spot, I could have stayed.
14:39You seemed confident from the get-go. Were there any moments during the process where you kind of
14:44felt a little less self-assured? Bottom three is a tough place to be,
14:48and I was there quite a lot. So I'd say every bottom three, there's, there's, you know, nerves
14:53go through, you're like shaking under the table. And it's when he does the, he talks to you and then
14:58like drops and talks to someone else. You're like, oh my God, I thought I was going.
15:01Yeah. That was pretty stressful. Yeah, I bet. Because you could see behind all of the,
15:07you know, bravado that there were moments where I thought, oh God. Yeah, yeah.
15:11I feel like he's going to cry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Almost a few times after the bottom three's.
15:16Yeah. I think it was when Dan said, when Dan said, how's the cat going to get into that thing?
15:22You just went. Oh yeah. Oh God. Yeah. Now you say it. Let me get a ladder. That's an additional
15:30extra. They have to pay for that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's what you said.
15:33There you go. I said that you get like a bolt on. Yeah, yeah, there you go. You buy the
15:37tree
15:37and then, because my cat's there. Different fruits, you know. Exactly. If your cat isn't into,
15:42you know, apples and bananas. Berries. We've got a full brand to build, right?
15:48Love that. Honestly, he's not messing around. What were your highlights, Kieran?
15:52Apart from being recognised as a spirited young chap by the boss.
15:56My two favourite moments were both with Lawrence, actually. So it was the carbonara selling
16:01on the market in Greenwich. That was hilarious. And then it's got to be the lads day out in Isle
16:07of Wight.
16:07Gove. Yeah, nice little glass of wine. Yeah. Feed the goats, clean the goats up. It's hilarious.
16:13Job done. Job done. That was great fun. Well, it was great having you and great watching you.
16:17Thank you so much, Kieran, everybody. Thank you.
16:23It is time to meet the candidate who faced her fear of cats, but unfortunately dropped the furball
16:28on the task. Here's the moment she left the boardroom for good.
16:31Um, Rothner, you sold nothing and at least Dan did sell 2,000 pieces. So you've been really impressive
16:40in this process, but I have to tell you that, regretfully, your journey is over now.
16:48You're fired. Thank you very much for the opportunity. Good luck, Rothner. Thank you.
16:52Thank you. Good luck.
17:10You've been very, very impressive. Was that, you know, bam to the wound?
17:14I mean, it would have been nice if you hired me, but you know what? I'm actually really,
17:19really thankful he said that because, you know, throughout that whole process, you obviously
17:23want to make an impression and even had a compliment and then been fired.
17:26I think he really struggled though, didn't he? I think he really struggled between you and Dan.
17:31And really, he doesn't often say that to Kansas. So the fact that he said it to you, I would
17:36take
17:36that as, I don't think he's ever said it to me to be honest. I would take that as like
17:40something
17:41that I've told to my heart, really. Oh, thank you. No, it really was special. Obviously at that,
17:46you know, when you're told you're fired, it's just like a blur and anything that happened before
17:51and after, you're just in a state of shock. And so hearing that back and him say that,
17:55it actually sunk in a little bit. So yeah, it was a really nice little moment.
17:59Let's talk about the fateful task. Had Kieran not automatically been made project manager,
18:05would you have put yourself forward for this one? Yes, I would have put myself forward because I
18:09think, you know, when you've got a little bit of fear and at this stage of the process,
18:12it's all about wanting to maximize what's in your control. And like, obviously we saw when
18:17I was building the catchy, like Kieran kept saying, trust me, let my lesson from there.
18:21But I think if I was PM, I definitely would have like a hundred percent said what I wanted there
18:26and then, and like not taking no for an answer. And it's hard to do so because when you're not
18:30PM,
18:30you don't want to come across as that person that's just constantly like stopping you from
18:34progressing. Yeah. You said that, that you wish you were kind of more of a hindrance. Was there a
18:38sense that maybe because pets, cats weren't your thing, that you weren't able to follow
18:43the instincts that actually were leading you towards very sensible questions?
18:48Yeah, because I was with Dan and, you know, Kieran who have pets, they've had pets all their life.
18:53And like, I haven't, I've got a fear of it. So for me, the least I know, the better it
18:57is for me.
18:58But then I think I wish I trusted my gut because some of the things is pretty self-explanatory,
19:03right? And I think because Kieran kept saying, trust me, trust me, I thought, you know what,
19:07maybe let me just trust him. And I guess that, that area. And when we were in that moment,
19:12I honestly wish I just trusted my gut. I really do. At least you knew that cats don't love cheese.
19:19Yeah. And it was the mice that love cheese. Yeah. It was that moment. I was like, oh,
19:23we're doomed. We're flying blind here, lads. So true. Honestly, I had a huge reality check. When
19:30he looked at me, he said cheese. I was like, oh dear. Sorry. Honestly, I think I would have done
19:34a
19:34better job. Sorry, Kieran. No, I think that's fair enough. Yeah. You hadn't been back in the boardroom
19:40since week one. Was it easier this time or tougher because you were so close to the final five?
19:48In some ways, it was a lot harder because, you know, there was a lot of pressure riding on it.
19:51And,
19:51you know, final five is what all we ever spoke about in the house, you know, like that's where
19:55everyone wants to be. Week one, obviously being brought back, it's so early on and you're kind of
20:00fighting for, to be noticed, you know, to be able to show Lord Sugar what you're made of. And at
20:05this
20:05point, you've kind of shown Lord Sugar what you're made of. Now it's the business bit,
20:08which is the bit you really care about. So, yeah, it was really hard being in that boardroom.
20:13And I guess, you know, I knew it was do or die in that moment. And I tried, I tried,
20:19but yeah,
20:19it led to me being excited. Week one, you coming back into the restaurant,
20:25reminding everyone, you're like, we're fighting for our lives in there.
20:28I was like, it was such an iconic moment for me. And everyone was just like, oh dear,
20:35I love this. Things have just gotten serious. It was beautiful. Because it was dramatic. You know,
20:39that boardroom in Hong Kong, my God, I have never sweated more in my life. I didn't even
20:44sweat that much in the task that I did in there. And I came back and I was like, I
20:48don't know about
20:48you guys, but I survived something big there. And you do come back. And I think I had that added
20:53advantage in that moment to be over everybody else who wasn't in the boardroom. You know,
20:57it's really serious. You don't realise how serious the process is until you're sat in front of Lord
21:01Sugar fighting for your life. You are fighting for your life, honestly. You were PM for The Flower
21:07Task. Again, like a really beautiful show, I think, of your capability, your ability to lead people.
21:14Was it natural for you, that leadership position? You know, what's really interesting is I think it
21:20came because I really enjoyed the task. And I love working with people. Like in my day job,
21:24you know, I work in mental health and wellbeing. And I think hearing people's opinions is really
21:27important. Obviously, I ended up going for what I wanted in the end. But it's important to like
21:31listen to people. And I didn't really quite realise perhaps how good I am at leadership. Like
21:37having such a good win, it was reassuring for me more than anything that I'm capable and I can lead
21:42a team to victory. And I just needed to believe in myself. And I think that you have a really
21:47lovely way about you as well, because you're not like, overly aggressive or overly cocky,
21:52you just do it in a very lovely, like way of making your views known with respect to other people.
22:00And, you know, I really thought that you came across really well in that. And I think everyone
22:05said you were a great project manager in that as well. Yeah, that was such a wholesome moment for
22:08me. But thank you. That really means a lot. And Tim said that you were a calming influence amongst
22:13the chaos. Was there ever a moment that we may not have seen where you thought you're
22:19going to lose your cool? Pretty much every week. I think I'm just really great at hiding it. Honestly,
22:23I think, I think where I, what's really important to me is even if you're panicking as a leader,
22:29it's so important that you don't show that panic. Swan, Swan. Yeah. Honestly, internally,
22:35like I am surprised you guys didn't see more of my panic around the cats. Like inside,
22:39I thought like my heart honestly was beating so fast, but I just thought if I show it,
22:44I'll believe that I'm actually panicking and then everyone else will start panicking. And it's so
22:47important that you don't spread that panic on and you contain it from within. So yeah,
22:51there were plenty of moments where I felt it, but I'm just glad you guys didn't get to see it.
22:56Well, it was felt certainly your, the loss of you in the house when you didn't return,
23:03Karishma particularly, very, very emotional. Yeah. Was that difficult watching? I cried when I
23:10watched it. It was so hard to watch because honestly, she's like a sister to me. Like,
23:15it's really rare in a competitive environment to really, really feel that, you know, sisterhood.
23:21And like, I found a piece of home within her and like what she said, the feeling was completely mutual.
23:26Yeah. With Karishma, I think she's just an absolute boss. I've seen this other soft little mellow side to
23:32her. I think that's so important. Like it just shows how human she is. And I think we both related
23:36on that. Like we can show everybody a cool, calm and collected, but then we'd get it back into our
23:40rooms and then we'd have a little cry and be like, this was stressful. That was stressful. And it's so
23:43nice to share that together. So absolutely love her. Well, it was brilliant. You were an absolute joy
23:49to watch. So thank you so, so much. It is time for Boardroom Bangers. Brace yourselves. The part of the
23:56show where our guests provide the soundtrack to the task. Claudine, what have you gone for?
24:00So I have gone for something that, bearing in mind, I was looking at the cat tree thinking,
24:08what on earth? This is what I've gone for.
24:13Oh, I've trashed that one in karaoke a couple of times, let me tell you.
24:25It's a banger, isn't it? Okay, Owain, what have you gone for?
24:29Well, for me, the thing that stood out during this episode was the fine grasp on the French
24:35language or not. So I've gone for this.
24:52Pasha should have let your music do the talking. I think absolutely so. Yeah, let's move on our final five.
25:01Now set to face a grilling. It is time for the interviews and I've got a little exclusive.
25:07Looking back on my plan, I think I should, I know I need to allocate a lot more money.
25:10Well, how much more? I reckon that's going to cost around $150,000. So why did you book $50,000?
25:17Because you've got no idea really what you're doing, have you? Correct.
25:20You're not going to produce a drink for $50,000. You haven't even got a recipe. You haven't even got
25:25a manufacturer.
25:26Yes, I agree. Look, you're good at your day job. Do that. Try and build the boozy bar up. Forget
25:32the drink. You're never going to do it.
25:33OK. OK.
25:37Oh, my God.
25:41That couldn't go any worse.
25:43Oh! That was brutal. I'm shaking and sweating.
25:47That broke my heart. A little, a little cute British.
25:50A little British. That is savage.
25:54Yeah. She's brutal.
25:55Honestly. Yeah.
25:57Now, Claudine, up until this point, I think candidates, they can make excuses, can't they,
26:01that certain tasks aren't suited to their skill set or their experience, but now there's absolutely no
26:06where to hide. How tough is the interview process? But please say that's as bad as it gets.
26:11It is a tough, tough process. We get 45 minutes to an hour with each of them, and there are
26:18four of
26:19us. And you know, the interviewers will find things that even though they'll think we've covered
26:24everything, we know our business, we will always find things that they haven't thought of.
26:29It's also interesting that obviously when we interview, that is the first time we've seen
26:35them. Of course.
26:36So we haven't seen any of this. We get to know like how many they've won or lost, but we
26:42don't
26:42know how they've performed in the process. So we are literally seeing them and only meeting them
26:48or knowing anything about them the minute that they walk in that door.
26:51So you're not swayed by your ideas of their personalities? No. We have CV, like the business
26:57plan, and we go through that, but we wouldn't know what they were like personality-wise at all.
27:02And that's so interesting because as a viewer, you know, at that stage, you've built up this kind of
27:08idea of the person as a whole in your head. Yeah.
27:11Yeah. You just go in there and you have to basically pay willy on what they have for you.
27:16Absolutely. Wow.
27:17That is a wrap, gang. Thank you so much to my brilliant guests, Claudine Owyne-Rothner,
27:21and of course, Kieran. Yay! Thank you.
27:25Don't forget to tune in next time for more Unfinished Business on BBC Two,
27:29iPlayer or BBC Sounds straight after The Apprentice, when we'll be discussing which candidates
27:35just missed out on a place in the final. I'm Angela Scanlon. Goodbye.
28:05Unfinished Business on BBC Two, iPlayer or BBC Two, iPlayer or BBC Two.
28:09We're left us.
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