00:00And Stephen Holder said that he thinks the Texans are getting a much, much different version of Braden Smith than
00:05the one that he covered all those years in Indianapolis.
00:09You'll notice, and you've probably already heard him talk, he will talk at length now and be just effusive, or
00:17expansive, I should say.
00:19That's not the guy I ever knew.
00:21And everybody around him has said he is a completely different individual.
00:25So his life has changed.
00:28It's changed his life.
00:29Getting past this has completely changed his life.
00:31And I'm not sure how he played football.
00:33When he describes how debilitating this was, I'm not sure how he played through it.
00:37And the last thing I would say is that it was so bad that he admitted to contemplating suicide.
00:46Sorry, somebody on the text page when we played that earlier, like, hey, the cut tailed off at the word
00:52suicide a little bit awkwardly right there.
00:54Yeah, that's all you need to know about that.
00:57Yeah.
00:57Nothing more to be said about that whole thing.
00:59There was no intent or anything.
01:00Yeah.
01:01I think that, so he has or had OCD.
01:06And it was, I can't remember if he used this term or somebody else did in describing it, moral scrupulosity.
01:12Is that the affliction?
01:13Is that an official name for it?
01:15Yeah, it's a version of OCD where you're just so concerned about being perfect in terms of morality.
01:23Yeah.
01:23And just, which, as you know, sometimes morality can get a little bit hazy and not a single one of
01:29us is good at being completely moral 100% of the time.
01:32Sure.
01:33So that he was at any given point just fixating and worrying that he was going to hell because of
01:39any little misstep or if you don't, sometimes there are no clear moral, you know, clearly correct moral decisions.
01:46Sometimes you get caught between a rock and a hard place and all of this stuff was just paralyzing to
01:51him.
01:51And the shame in that is that the general direction that you're trying to live your life is a good
01:56one, you know, but it's.
01:58Yeah.
01:58So he went and he went off, he went to Mexico and he got psychedelic assisted therapy, which I know
02:04a lot of people kind of rear their head when they hear that.
02:07If you've never read anything about it, it's really amazing some of the things they're discovering about using psychedelics in
02:13therapy and how it opens people up.
02:16And they're studying it a lot more these days.
02:19And it seemed to have worked really well for him.
02:21So that part of it, I don't want to sit and say that, oh, this guy who had mental health
02:25issues will never have them again.
02:27But I don't, he seems to have figured out a way to handle it.
02:33And as Stephen Holder was saying there, you can just see the difference in him and his personality.
02:38Moral scrupulosity is a subtype of OCD characterized by pathological guilt, excessive worry over being bad, air quotes, and intense
02:48fear of violating moral or ethical standards.
02:51Yeah.
02:51If I had to, if I had to.
02:53I'm kind of in fear of that a little bit.
02:55I want to live my best moral and ethical life.
02:58I'll read you the list of symptoms, Sean.
02:59And you can decide whether you and I suffer from moral scrupulosity.
03:04They're just rolling their eyes at this one.
03:06Let's be honest here, okay, Sean?
03:07Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:08Pretend I just gave you a dose of therapeutic LSD.
03:11Okay.
03:11And you're opening up and telling me.
03:13Yeah, man, let's go.
03:14Okay, let's see.
03:15Sean and I taking this, we'll take this test that I just devised.
03:19Okay, yeah.
03:20Do you have excessive concern with being 100% honest?
03:23I wouldn't call it excessive.
03:24You know, I would say moderate.
03:28Yeah.
03:28I want to be honest.
03:29You know, I want to be honest as much, I'd much rather be viewed and conduct myself as
03:33an honest person than a dishonest person.
03:36And I think that I do.
03:37If you're in a hurry to get out the door and your wife asks you, does this outfit look
03:42awesome on me or should I try another one?
03:44There are definitely conversations I'm just looking to end.
03:46Yes.
03:47No, that's the best you've ever looked in your entire life.
03:49Let's go.
03:50Okay, so I do not suffer from this particular bullet point.
03:53No.
03:54Okay.
03:55Excessive concern with the idea of being good or being bad in terms of morality.
03:59In terms of morality, yeah, again, I would say more concern about that than being honest
04:06because there are times where being dishonest is, as you just pointed out, it's really not
04:12anything that's got big ramifications.
04:15Sean, have you ever punched yourself in the face and said, I'm a bad person.
04:18I'm a bad person.
04:19I've never done that.
04:20No.
04:20That's my test.
04:21Yeah.
04:22Okay.
04:23Based on a guy I used to know.
04:25Excessive concern with getting in trouble or breaking rules.
04:28Sometimes, you know, I do.
04:30Excessive?
04:30Not excessive, but I try to be very cognizant of the rules of what you and I do.
04:36Like, you know, like I've, my biggest fear has always been cursing on the air.
04:40That's like one of my biggest fears in life.
04:42Well, that's not excessive.
04:43That's something you do have to worry about because you could get fined for it.
04:46But it's, yeah, but it's, yeah.
04:48Does it hold you up?
04:50Does it, do you feel like you can't conduct your job because of it?
04:52No, I think I conduct my job pretty well.
04:54But there are times, like, if, if I'm, if I'm getting into a headspace where I'm just
04:58getting, I can tell I'm getting angry or agitated.
05:00I do start to think about, like, oh man, don't say, don't say these words.
05:04Yeah, see, I would say that's the appropriate level there.
05:07Okay, okay.
05:07So it's certainly not excessive.
05:08Not excessive, okay.
05:09Excessive concern that a past act was immoral.
05:13No.
05:13I don't suffer from this at all.
05:15No, I don't, yeah, no.
05:16I know stuff I've done is immoral.
05:18Right.
05:18I take ownership of it and I move on.
05:20Yeah, it's not, the question is not, have you done things that are immoral?
05:24It's, do you have excessive concern over having done these things?
05:27This is the thing.
05:27It is, yeah.
05:28How do you feel about things that you may have done wrong to, in a relationship in college?
05:34Right.
05:34Have you moved past it?
05:35Yeah.
05:35Good.
05:36Here we go.
05:36Yep.
05:37Yeah.
05:37No, I'm good there.
05:38I'm good there.
05:40Let's see.
05:41May, that's pretty much it.
05:43We're good.
05:44We're in the clear.
05:44I was going to say, yeah, I feel, I feel pretty good that I don't suffer from this.
05:50I'm thinking, I think I passed all these, passed the test here.
05:54Some I'm more concerned than others.
05:55Excessive, this is a weird one.
05:57Okay.
05:57Excessive concern that adultery or some disloyal act could have or did possibly take place.
06:03Okay.
06:03Is that, if you're concerned about whether you did it yourself?
06:06I guess.
06:06Or if you're just constantly wondering if somebody else did it to you?
06:09Yeah, or sometimes, like, I think, like, literal adultery, you know whether or not you've
06:16committed that because it's an actual act.
06:18It's a physical act.
06:19Yeah.
06:19I would guess sometimes.
06:20Yeah, but I would guess even, like, people, like, worried that they thought another woman
06:24was, like, attractive or something.
06:26Yeah.
06:26Like, if you're suffering from this, you're probably like, oh my gosh, I can't believe,
06:30I can't believe that I noticed that woman on the elevator or something that they might
06:33just, and they're beating themselves up.
06:35Yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:36No, I don't suffer from that, for sure.
06:38For sure.
06:38Okay.
06:39Don't you, boy, I've got some of your friends that you know that you have zero, zero fear
06:43of moral scrupulosity.
06:45They're, like, the happiest people I know.
06:46I know.
06:48Horrible human beings.
06:49Yeah, yeah.
06:50There may be a day that comes for them down the road.
06:52Go to the...
06:53Yeah, there may be a day that comes down the road.
06:56It's good.
06:58All right.
06:59Pain and Pendergast with you here on a Wednesday.
07:04Wednesday, let's circle...
07:06I wish you were more morally scrupulous about knowing what day of the week was.
07:08No, I just looked and saw that I didn't put anything to tease ahead to.
07:11Oh, am I going to say Wednesday or the F word?
07:13I am excessively...
07:14That's apparently what you're worried about all the time.
07:17I'm excessively concerned that I don't have something to tease to in this next segment.
07:20Thanks for joining us on it.
07:21Don't say the F word.
07:22Don't say the F word.
07:23Dave, Wednesday!
07:23Wednesday!
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