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00:00About to talk about some more of what we heard from D'Amico Ryan's from The League.
00:04Before we get there, got to go to the phone line now, don't we?
00:07Hey, now.
00:08Figure, figure who we got on the phone.
00:11Let me find out.
00:12Oh, oh, oh, oh, I read that.
00:16I'll let you know in a minute.
00:17I read that entirely wrong.
00:19My bad, dog.
00:21All right, so D'Amico Ryan.
00:24I got thrown off by the, was it Backstreet or the NSYNC?
00:26I don't remember which one this one is.
00:27One of those, yeah.
00:28I will never lie and tell you that I know exactly what these boy bands are.
00:34But D'Amico Ryan's obviously spoke a lot.
00:37In fact, he was also even on Texans All-Access yesterday from Arizona.
00:42And so you've been locked in on this, especially because the Gerard Johnson move might be,
00:48well, one, it's the most significant move that happened on the offensive coaching staff,
00:53or on the coaching staff really in general.
00:55Gerard Johnson no longer being the quarterback coach.
00:58And D'Amico Ryan spoke about Gerard Johnson and this decision to move.
01:02Can you give me this audio here, Fig?
01:04This is D'Amico.
01:05Was it yesterday?
01:06Yeah.
01:06Yesterday morning from Arizona.
01:08Yeah, Gerard, you know, first and foremost, thank him for his, you know, his service to the Houston Texans.
01:14Gerard is a native Houstonian.
01:16So just him being there, I know it meant a lot for him to be our quarterback coach in Houston.
01:21And I think he did a really good job for the first three years that he was there with us.
01:26So, you know, helping out a young quarterback, C.J.
01:28Trowell coming out as a rookie.
01:30Him and C.J.
01:31having that connection from back in high school with Gerard coaching at the quarterback camp.
01:37So, he did a really good job.
01:40Saw Gerard grow.
01:40You know, as a coach, he definitely grew.
01:43And I hate to see him go.
01:47You never want to see a young coach like Gerard go.
01:49And also, just with the nature of our business, things like it happens.
01:54And there's nothing negative on Gerard.
01:57He did everything he could possibly do.
01:59And I think Gerard's going to be a really good coach in Houston.
02:02Just interesting to me.
02:03And there's another piece of audio I want to play here in a second.
02:06But just to sort of set the whole topic up here, no one in that building has had a bad
02:13word to say about the job that he did, whether it's C.J.
02:17Stroud, you just heard D'Amico Ryans.
02:19Who, Gerard?
02:20Yeah, yeah.
02:21Yeah, I did hear that, and I didn't want to say anything about that.
02:23Speaking of irritating sounds, that was irritating.
02:25You think Gerard, do you think he does that a lot?
02:27Do you think that he did that a lot and Gerard just never correct him?
02:30Or do you think Gerard was the dude who correct him a few times was just like, oh, okay.
02:34This ain't the first time he did that, by the way.
02:37Well, just for background, Gerard's entire youth all the way through college, he was
02:42called Gerard.
02:45That's got to be the worst thing in the world.
02:47Because it's close enough where I know you can get it right.
02:49I understand Gerard and Jared, because I know a lot of people get those mixed up.
02:54Yeah.
02:54But literally everyone is like, man, great job, great coach, bright future, all this other
03:00stuff.
03:00So let's play the next one real quick, Figgy, because then it gets into my bigger question
03:05here.
03:05Looking at everything, where we were, you know, the past three years and how we finished
03:11up the last season, for me, sometimes, and everybody says, sometimes change of scenery
03:16is good.
03:16Sometimes it's a change of voice is good.
03:19So how can we, for me, how can we help CJ the best?
03:23Like, maybe it's a changing of the voice, right?
03:26Who's leading that role?
03:28Who's really giving him that information?
03:31Who's coaching him up?
03:33Can that move the needle a little bit more?
03:35So everything that we do, from my perspective as a coach, it's a lot of tough decisions that
03:39have to happen.
03:40A lot of people don't always agree with it, and that's okay.
03:43But for me, it's my role to really make sure that Texans are in as best a position as we
03:52can be in.
03:52And so some change has to happen for that, and hopefully change helps us out.
03:57So here's my question.
03:58Literally every, and I didn't mention Nick Cayley.
04:01Nick Cayley has been, has talked very, very glowingly of Gerard Johnson and helping him
04:06in the past game and all that.
04:08But so everybody thinks, great coach, great job, and then you hear D'Amico say, maybe
04:14we need someone to move the needle.
04:16And that's where I'm like, well, if he's a great coach and does a great job, and you
04:21parted ways, like truly, in a sense of like, we're going to give him an opportunity to go
04:28somewhere else, almost as if to say, like, he's a good coach, he needs to work, but we
04:33also want another voice to maybe move the needle.
04:35So is that a Gerard thing, or is that a CJ thing?
04:38Well, I think that an argument can be made that, okay, this is the nice thing to say,
04:44right?
04:44When you, when you have someone, when you move on from somebody or you have a mutual
04:48parting away, so you don't like tank any perspective, uh, things on the back end of
04:52things.
04:53I don't think that that's the case here personally, but I think that that argument exists
04:56and I do want to make sure I give voice to it.
04:58That being said, it does make me wonder, right?
05:00If, if we're, if we are coming from the perspective and taking D'Amico at his word, where he
05:04goes, we liked what Gerard did.
05:05We just wanted to see if we get something different to get to CJ Stroud.
05:09What are you looking to get to?
05:10Is the question that I asked myself, right?
05:11Like what, what is it that we're trying to change that for, well, at least, uh, that you
05:16feel like Jerry Szaplinski can speak to in a better way?
05:19Because that, that ends up being the question that hits me strongest, right?
05:24We know, again, we know that he can do some of these things.
05:27Is it, is it like a mechanics thing?
05:28Is it a, we feel like Jerry will be able to get him to get the mechanics?
05:32I don't think so.
05:33I'm trying to put this out here, right?
05:34So how much of this is like a level of belief in buy-in that feels like that'd probably be
05:38the easiest place to get to.
05:39But if we're talking about belief in buy-in, what makes me feel so confident that Jerry Szaplinski
05:44speaks to that better than somebody that already had CJ Stroud, or at least ostensibly already
05:50had CJ Stroud.
05:51Yeah.
05:51To me, it kind of came across as, you know, Gerard is a good coach and all his other stuff.
05:57You're going to keep doing this, aren't you?
05:57Yeah.
05:58But we need CJ to really focus and we need somebody else to come in to, to get CJ's attention
06:06because, you know, he'd been under Gerard for a long time.
06:09Yes.
06:10And, you know, it's not Gerard is, is, you know, it's kind of like.
06:13That's where I'm going.
06:14It's kind of like, Hey, my son, I know my son and you know, you're a good kid, but
06:19he need to be right here.
06:20He need to be sitting over here.
06:22And I think a very telling in the front of the class, like I'm going to break y'all up
06:26and it's not you, it's him.
06:27He need to focus.
06:28He need to be next to somebody that don't talk.
06:30I'm with you.
06:31I don't like the throwback that you just gave me.
06:34I don't like that at all.
06:34He must've been that kid.
06:35I talk too much.
06:36I'm with you, Figgy.
06:37I think this points directly to, well, this is CJ.
06:41We, you know, let's try another voice because we don't think it's Gerard.
06:45In fact, I always talk about, you know, watch what they do.
06:48Know what they say.
06:48If it was Gerard, they would have fired him.
06:51They didn't fire him.
06:52He got another job.
06:54And, and that's a, that's a big difference because if it was like on him, they would
06:59be like, we're going to cut bait.
07:00We're going to let him go.
07:01Didn't work out.
07:01No, they said, he's a good coach.
07:03He needs the coach.
07:04He's, you know, we, we like him and they took a long time and they took a long time.
07:09So to me, it's like CJ, I mean, if, if, if, if someone you like since high school didn't
07:16do it, we're going to bring in someone else, but it's you brother.
07:20But then what does that do for your confidence on the ability of him to do that?
07:24Right.
07:25If that, if that shift is necessary.
07:26And because again, I imagine that if you're looking at it, there, there's a way that you
07:30could get to this where you go, maybe there just wasn't the right accountability with
07:33that comfort with, with, uh, with Gerard or Gerard.
07:37Well, I think that was comfort.
07:38It just wasn't results.
07:39No, that's what I'm saying.
07:39It's like, maybe, maybe you need less of that comfort, right.
07:42And more of a certain type of accountability, so to say.
07:46Um, and I just wondered, does that get through to CJ, especially if you are inclined to be
07:50someone that goes, all man, CJ is soft.
07:52Uh, what, what is the change that makes that, that gives you, get you to a better result?
07:56That's the question that I have because I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know.
08:00And obviously I don't know exactly Jerry Szaplinski's coaching style, but I, from, from the 30,000
08:05foot view, I have find it hard to see what that change does.
08:09That brings a better version of CJ Stroud out.
08:11Yeah, no, I, it's just an interesting thing to me, but I do think, and we've, we've speculated
08:17on this, you know, I, I talked about it a long time ago.
08:20We, right after the season, like, you know, CJ needs to come back a different man.
08:23And I think this is part of that.
08:24They're like, all right, he's got to buy all in.
08:27Let's try something else.
08:28It seemed like they might be trying to cover their bases too.
08:31It's not like, oh, we need to get somebody else in to change CJ.
08:35It's, it seemed like they trying to say, Hey, we put, you put somebody else right here.
08:40And if it's not work, because it's, it's close to contract time.
08:43And so it seemed like they're trying to cover their bases to say, you know, they don't want
08:47to go in and didn't make any changes to try to help CJ at all.
08:52Right.
08:52And then it's time is, and then you scrambling, trying to do whatever, it seemed like they
08:57trying to cover their bases a little bit.
08:58Yeah.
08:59But the only thing I hope is, I hope that this isn't like, Hey, if we get another coach,
09:03we will have better success at changing what CJ does, because that feels like the, you know,
09:08the, the, the, it is.
09:10Sorry.
09:10I was about to do the thing where I used big words that I didn't need to.
09:13That feels like you're fighting against the current, but yeah.
09:16But the thing is they can say they tried though, like no matter what, like you're, you're right.
09:22They didn't bring nobody else from the outside.
09:24They didn't bring nobody else with higher qualities and all that, but they can say, Hey, we tried
09:28it.
09:29We let a good coach go.
09:30We brought, brought in somebody else.
09:32And it's kind of an ultimatum to CJ.
09:34Yeah.
09:34You know, like, okay, we're going to try again.
09:37See, we did everything we can to help and it's still not working.
09:40Yeah.
09:40Real quick.
09:41Let's, let's, let's hit the phone line.
09:42Cause this person has been waiting.
09:44Andre.
09:44Andre.
09:46Hey, what's up guys.
09:48How you doing?
09:49Good.
09:50Thanks.
09:51Hey, I'm not going to lie.
09:52I've been listening to you guys since 2017.
09:55I was actually the texture the other day.
09:57They told you about my prison sentence.
10:01Yeah.
10:01So it's kind of crazy.
10:02Um, I had two points, but honestly, you guys kind of like threw me for a loop talking
10:09about the Detroit lions and it kind of reminded me of the Texans, how it used to be under Bill
10:13O'Brien.
10:13And I remember like philosophically how Bill O'Brien, Randy, uh, how you run the team,
10:19you know, offensive minded head coach, you know, put it, did everything he could, but
10:25I'm sorry.
10:26I'm so nervous guys.
10:27I can't even talk.
10:27You're good, brother.
10:28We appreciate you giving us a call.
10:30Uh, Hey man, go ahead and text it on and we'll still see you.
10:33Appreciate you, Andre.
10:34We're giving us a call.
10:35Have you, have you gotten that, have you gotten that feel in thinking about it?
10:37Cause I know that there you, you've been heavy on the, Hey, the Patriot South thing kind
10:42of feels alive again.
10:44And have you gotten that same feel?
10:45Uh, yes, uh, I think, and I think Shaplinsky and I think Shaplinsky feeds into that as well.
10:51It's, you know, kind of tying into, uh, to, to what we were, well, what we're talking about
10:56with, uh, another voice.
10:57It's like, let's try, let's go all in, let's try this, see if CJ and it resonates and Andre
11:01don't, no need to be nervous, but, uh, I, I got the gist of it.
11:04He was, he was really just more talking about, you know, how they're being built, uh, and,
11:09and, and maybe that's what they're leaning into now with, with the Patriots.
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