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Seth and Sean convene a bonus PettyCast to dive into Pat Beverley's response to Dwyane Wade and engage in some schadenfreude about Duke being eliminated.
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00:00Seth, you know, even despite the Astros being the best offensive team in baseball over the last four days,
00:06despite the Rockets now winning three games in a row here, maybe figuring some things out,
00:12I still got a lot of petty flowing through my veins, man.
00:15Good. Yeah, there's a little bit of flow-over effect.
00:17Yes.
00:18You've got to mop it up.
00:19Yes, I have petty flowing through my veins.
00:21I've got a thirst for other people being petty still,
00:24and especially when there's follow-up from pettiness that we played yesterday on the show.
00:28And there's nothing better than petty ex-NBA players.
00:32It's a great category.
00:33Dwayne Wade is just getting started in this endeavor,
00:36and I can't wait to see him when he's 50 years old on a podcast somewhere.
00:40Yes, yes.
00:40You know?
00:41Yep.
00:42So we, right, because he's probably in his 40s now and doing a hell of a job being petty on
00:47these podcasts.
00:48I will remain 100% petty forever about the way he spells his name.
00:53Like, I'm cool.
00:54And I'm very lenient when it comes to how people spell their names.
00:57I'm cool.
00:58Like, especially in the age of the Internet where it's so hard to even have a name that a million
01:02other people don't.
01:03Right.
01:03But there's something about Dwayne Wade's name that I have never once been able to figure out how to spell
01:08without Google checking myself first.
01:11Phonetically, it would be Dwayne Wade.
01:13Right.
01:13Yeah.
01:14And I'm still cool with that when things aren't phonetically right or whatever.
01:17It's just, it's the hardest unconventionally spelled name I've ever encountered.
01:23Yes.
01:23D-W-Y-A-N-E.
01:25It feels like a typo at the hospital the day he was born where his family's like, nah, just leave
01:30it.
01:30Yeah.
01:31I don't feel like paying the fee to get it changed.
01:33It's a silent why in a place that no why has ever been silent before.
01:37So here is Dwayne Wade.
01:39This was Dwayne Wade talking about, he is angry.
01:43Pat Beverly had a take that James Harden is a better two-guard.
01:47He said James Harden is the number three two-guard in the history of the game.
01:52Dwayne Wade is number four.
01:53And Dwayne Wade is pissed at Patrick Beverly.
01:55I don't understand how you can have a conversation about me and state facts when you're not as good as
01:59me.
02:00Pat Bev came out and just talked about me and James.
02:02Another conversation with me and James.
02:04James Harden is a better player than Dwayne Wade.
02:06Pat just came out definitive.
02:08He was definitive.
02:09James Harden is better than Dwayne Wade.
02:11Stop.
02:12He was very definitive in his answer.
02:13And I was just sitting there like, okay, Pat, where's your, where, what's your facts?
02:17Right.
02:17To say that someone's better or just come out and say what I personally like, the style of play that
02:22I like to see.
02:23That's a great way to say it.
02:24Don't you ever fix your mouth to say nobody is better than me when you wasn't better than me.
02:28Like, you can't do that.
02:30Like, you're talking about a better player.
02:31You're talking about every aspect of the game of basketball.
02:34You know how good I was at a lot of aspects of the game?
02:38So, the silliest part there, Seth, as we both pointed out yesterday, and the part Pat Beverly takes exception to,
02:43which we'll hear in a second,
02:44is the notion that if you're not as good a basketball player as Dwayne Wade,
02:48you're not allowed an opinion on how good Dwayne Wade was versus anybody else.
02:53Look, Dwayne Wade, the, the, your very financial value is driven in part by millions of people all across America
03:02having debates about exactly whether you're better than this guy or worse than that guy or anything else.
03:07So, you, you, you don't sit on some perch where all of a sudden you've become immune to discussion by
03:15those lesser than you.
03:16Right.
03:17You know?
03:17Now, if you want to take a shot at Pat Beverly and his career, there's a million entertaining ways to
03:21do it.
03:22Yeah.
03:22It's not to point out, like, like, and you, sir, you, sir, are beneath my station.
03:28Right.
03:28And I shall not be hearing it from you.
03:31No.
03:32Yeah.
03:32You know what he's guilty of?
03:33What's that?
03:34He's guilty of boring insults.
03:36Yes.
03:36Yeah.
03:36He didn't even, he couldn't come right out and say, Beverly was trash because of this or that or something.
03:42And Beverly's put some material out there for people over the last few years, you know?
03:45So, so at any rate, that was Dwayne Wade's take on the whole thing.
03:50Here's Pat Beverly responding to Dwayne Wade's bad take.
03:55I listened to it a little bit.
03:57He lost me when you said, if you're not better than me in anything, you can't speak on it.
04:01So by that, you telling me the only person that can really speak on you, Dwayne Wade, is either Michael
04:06Jordan or Kobe Bryant.
04:07If you're number three, greatest shooting guard of all time and rest in peace, Kobe Bryant.
04:11So only person that can talk about you is Michael Jordan.
04:15Right.
04:15That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
04:17Right.
04:18What's even dumber is Dwayne.
04:20He was listening to the show yesterday.
04:21Yeah, exactly.
04:21He was probably listening on his Odyssey app.
04:23May have been.
04:24Well, he's.
04:24Because that's exactly what you said.
04:26I think Pat Bev actually still lives in Houston.
04:28He might have been listening on terrestrial radio.
04:30Thank you, Pat.
04:31And you're welcome.
04:32Yes.
04:32Well, yeah.
04:32You ever need any advice on how to take down Dwayne Wade?
04:37Where are your guys?
04:38Dwayne?
04:39Yes.
04:41So that was Beverly responding to Dwayne Wade's take.
04:44And then Beverly went on.
04:45I hadn't heard his case for James Harden, but he went on to reiterate his case for Harden
04:51being number three, two guard of all time and Dwayne Wade right beneath him on the list.
04:57And number four, which is nothing.
04:58You know, that's he's still got him top five.
05:00But here we go.
05:00You're the only probably top 10 shooting guard who didn't shoot 30% from the three career-wise.
05:07You shot 29%.
05:08Russell Westbrook.
05:10We make names about him.
05:11He shot 31.
05:13Andre Drummond shot 31.
05:15You shot 29.
05:17And it's not a disc.
05:18I think it's a flex.
05:19I think that for you to even be considered top five, top three shooting guards of all time
05:26without having a 30 clip is a flex.
05:28Like a guard who can't shoot and still can be like that legendary, that historic is a flex.
05:34It's a flex.
05:35But the game has evolved.
05:37James Harden did play against better players than you played against.
05:40Right?
05:40That's also a fact.
05:42Right?
05:42James Harden has never missed the playoffs.
05:44You've missed the playoffs multiple times.
05:47That is also a fact.
05:48You did it in the East.
05:50James Harden had to run into Golden State.
05:52The same team that was getting brawn ass up out of there.
05:54The same team that was getting, yeah, the King James.
05:57Same team that was getting brawn ass up out of there.
05:59It was getting James Harden ass right up out of there.
06:01Okay.
06:01So, Beverly, Pat, if you're listening.
06:04As far as not playing against the better players because the era has changed.
06:08Yeah.
06:08That part.
06:09What he does here, Seth, for me.
06:11Yeah.
06:11I think Pat Beverly does this thing in that 45 seconds or so of audio where,
06:16like, oh, wow, that's a really good point.
06:17And then he says something like, James Harden played against better players.
06:21That's just a fact.
06:23Yeah.
06:23And it's like, okay, is it?
06:24No, it sounds like it's your opinion.
06:25And it certainly sounds like something that requires more than just a drive-by on it.
06:30Because I do think.
06:30Unless it's an Eastern Conference versus Western Conference.
06:33And he brought up Eastern Conference at the end of that.
06:35And I think that's a fair argument as well.
06:37If you think about it, just forget about the whole pettiness of Beverly versus Wade at this point.
06:42It is kind of a fascinating argument because Dwayne Wade obviously has had far more success,
06:47ultimate success, in the postseason.
06:49Dwayne Wade won a title before he partnered up with LeBron James and Chris Bosh.
06:53Yeah.
06:53And he won one back in 2006.
06:55So, it's one of the more interesting rings versus stats debates.
07:02Because James Harden, statistically, is one of the greatest offensive players in the history of the game.
07:08He's done things that are just that other, you know, that streak he had were for 32 straight games or
07:15whatever it was.
07:15He scored 30 or more points.
07:17Yeah.
07:18Out of necessity, not out of selfishness.
07:20You know, he was the only NBA player on the court.
07:23While also, within a year of that, leading the league in assists.
07:29You know, like, James Harden is one of the greatest offensive players.
07:33And you can talk about his style and drawing fouls and things like that.
07:36I get it.
07:36It's not always the easiest to watch.
07:39But it's a fascinating argument.
07:40I just think it's – and Dwayne Wade and Pat Beverly are also both – this has been pointed out,
07:46said they're both Chicago guys.
07:48They're both from Chicago originally.
07:50Yeah.
07:50And so there's – it seems like there's a little bit of that going on there as well, according to
07:54some folks.
07:55So, anyways, I don't know who I am on this.
07:59I just know Dwayne Wade's got the worst take out of this whole cadre of pettiness here,
08:03which is you can't comment on me if you're not a better player than me.
08:05That's silly.
08:06I'm commenting about you right now, and I suck at basketball.
08:09Okay?
08:10Okay, a little more petty.
08:12This is more me being petty.
08:14Let's refresh everybody's memory.
08:15This was Braylon Mullins hitting the game-winning three-pointer after one of the Boozer twins
08:22turned the ball over in the regional finals for the East region in the NCAA tournament on Sunday.
08:29Got to cut and run through the ball.
08:31And who better than this guy?
08:32Get it in to Boozer.
08:33Back for Sarr.
08:34Ahead.
08:34Boozer.
08:35That ball deflected.
08:36And stolen by Mullins.
08:37Caravan, two seconds.
08:39Mullins tosses it out.
08:42It's good.
08:44We're .3.
08:46UConn goes in front.
08:48All right, so there you go.
08:49We get to listen to that again.
08:50But that's not why I did this, Seth, to listen to that again.
08:53Well, partially.
08:54Coach K was on the Pat McAfee show the day after that game.
08:59And any time I get a chance to listen to Coach K being sad, maybe I'm being selfish.
09:07I got to take advantage of that opportunity.
09:09And I think there's a lot of other people that would like to take this opportunity as
09:15well to listen to Coach K being big sad about the loss, the Duke loss to UConn.
09:20It was heartbreaking.
09:22I'm telling you.
09:23No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
09:25I haven't coached for four years now.
09:27But, you know, again, it was a great, great basketball game.
09:32Not a good one.
09:33It was a great game.
09:35And I had a hard time.
09:36I could not fall asleep last night.
09:39I felt like I was part of that.
09:41And then you're thinking about all these individual kids and how you're going to take care of them.
09:47And there's such great empathy for our guys.
09:52I mean, obviously, I'm a Duke guy.
09:55And have concern for them.
10:00And still do.
10:01Because that's a tough one to get over.
10:05Maccabee's awe of sympathy when he said he couldn't go to sleep last night.
10:10Maccabee's just, oh.
10:11Ben was on the floor dying laughing at that.
10:15Ben, play that one more time.
10:17And I had a hard time.
10:18I could not fall asleep last night.
10:20I felt like.
10:21Oh, no.
10:23I mean, that is such pandering.
10:26It's almost like, oh, man.
10:29Oh, the second tower is going down.
10:31Oh, this is a.
10:32What the hell, Maccabee?
10:33Yes, the guy couldn't go to sleep.
10:35He didn't just find out he had cancer.
10:37What the hell, will you quit it, Maccabee?
10:39Do you know, Maccabee asked Coach K a little later on in that interview how old he is now.
10:45And this is, I'm going to actually get this.
10:47I'm going to back away from the pettiness for a second and give Coach K a compliment.
10:51Now, part of this is the dude dyes his hair jet black.
10:54So, there is that.
10:55But how old, if you had to guess, how old?
10:58Well, I know the way you're asking, my guess is going to be older now that you've said it this
11:02way.
11:02Okay.
11:03But let's see.
11:04We started at Duke in the early 80s.
11:06So, 92.
11:09I'm going to say he's 73.
11:1179.
11:12Okay.
11:1279.
11:12I mean, he's got it together for 79 years old.
11:15I can't.
11:16It's hard to judge anymore.
11:17People are aging better.
11:19They are.
11:19You know, there's more people.
11:20No, I know, like, whatever, age of mortality and everything.
11:23But there's just more people, seemingly, that are thriving in their elder years than there used to be.
11:29Yes.
11:29So, I'm not nearly as shocked as I used to be.
11:33When I found out Steve Martin's, like, 82 or something.
11:35Yeah.
11:35And he's still jumping around on camera.
11:37No, he is.
11:38And only murders in the building.
11:40Like, he's a spry young man.
11:41Well, even guys, I mean, like, look, you and I are in our 50s.
11:44I think the ages you and I are at, if we did, if we went backwards to the 80s and
11:48said, what does the average guy our age look like?
11:52It's much older, I think, than how you and I look right now.
11:56The Steve Martin's 80, by the way.
11:59Yeah.
11:59But part of that, though, too, I get annoyed a little bit when they show, say, who was it?
12:06Oh, Archie Bunker.
12:07Yeah.
12:07Like, when he was on All in the Family, he was actually, like, 46 years old or something.
12:12And they said, this is what 46 years old looked like in 1985.
12:16Yeah.
12:17They made him up to look a lot older than he actually was.
12:20They did.
12:20You know, it's funny, though.
12:21Amy and I went to the River Oaks Theater last night, the movie theater there.
12:26They were playing the movie 9 to 5.
12:28And if anything involving Dolly Parton is going on within a two-mile radius of my house, I need to
12:33go to that event.
12:35Dabney Coleman was the male star of 9 to 5.
12:38And it was one of those things, I'm like, he looks, I bet he's, you know, I bet he is
12:44actually much younger than we think.
12:47Yeah.
12:47Because he looks in that movie, looks like he's definitely in his 50s, that kind of thing.
12:50And he's, like, 46 years old in that movie.
12:52It's just, you nailed it.
12:54People are aging better these days.
12:56That's all.
12:57What did Bills fans say about Pat McAfee?
13:00Oh, I had just thrown that in there.
13:01I can't even remember why, as you were talking about something else.
13:04I guess, because, oh, oh, that's why.
13:06It's because Brandon Bean was on McAfee.
13:08And I just saw a few different comments from Bills fans.
13:11They're like, 31 other GMs are hard at work preparing for the draft.
13:16Our GM is on McAfee seven times a week.
13:19And they weren't saying in a bragging way.
13:21No.
13:22They're not happy with Brandon Bean in Buffalo.
13:24No, they're not.
13:25Yeah.
13:25They're wondering why exactly he's been elevated to czar of everything football in Buffalo.
13:31Well, the head coach got fired.
13:32Yeah.
13:33It's not like these are, a lot of these Bills fans wanted Sean McDermott to get fired.
13:37And yet, when that's the only thing that happened, and when I say only, I mean only.
13:42Yes.
13:43Same coaching staff, same offensive coordinator becomes the head coach, and the GM gets elevated.
13:48All of these things.
13:49That's pretty much the only thing that happened.
13:51They're kind of PO'd about it.
13:53I get it.
13:53I get it, man.
13:54Yeah, like, is this the thing that finally gets us over the hump?
13:58Right.
13:58Promoting from internally.
13:59Oh, it turns out Sean McDermott was the cancer.
14:01Yeah.
14:02I mean, the guy that got you to the playoffs and championship games after not being in
14:06the playoffs for 20 years.
14:07Right.
14:08Texter brings up a very good point on the base power text line that Steve Martin, you said
14:13Steve Martin's 80.
14:1480, yeah.
14:15Doesn't feel like he's 80.
14:16Someone points out, well, his hair's been all white since he was like 30 years old.
14:19There is something to that.
14:21Yeah.
14:21It's kind of the Lawrence Fishburne effect.
14:23There's some people who, for their entire lives, look like they're 45 years old.
14:27Yeah.
14:27So, Lawrence Fishburne looked like he was 45 when he was 18 years old.
14:31Yeah.
14:31And he got a lot of roles because of it.
14:33But then by the time he's kind of emblazoned in your mind as an older man, by the time
14:37he actually gets up into his 50s and beyond, you look at him, you think, wow, he looks
14:41good for his age.
14:42Yeah.
14:42Like, no, he looks exactly the same he's always looked ever.
14:45That's how he looks.
14:46By the way, the final thing here is we do a mini pedicast that on a Wednesday, normally
14:52we do it on Tuesday, and we did.
14:55Breno Giacomini, Seth.
14:56Remember him?
14:57Yeah.
14:58Breno Giacomini, the Texans.
14:59Pronounce Steve Buscemi.
15:00Starting, starting right tackle for all 16 games of that horrific 2017 season.
15:08He is in coaching now.
15:10He was coaching the offensive line for the Louisville Kings of the UFL.
15:16He went to Louisville in college.
15:19Breno Giacomini did.
15:20He was fired after one week.
15:22A week?
15:23A one week.
15:24Yeah, yeah.
15:24What the hell happened?
15:25I don't know.
15:26I've yet to find out, but he got fired after one week.
15:29A week?
15:29The picture they have.
15:30I thought, when you sent it to me, I read a year.
15:33Yeah.
15:34Yeah.
15:34Because I just, I get my mind went there.
15:37I didn't realize it was a week.
15:38Well, okay.
15:39So, maybe I need to back up.
15:41It's one week into the season.
15:42So, I don't know.
15:43I don't know that Louisville as an organization in the UFL was even a thing last year.
15:48So, maybe I need to look at it.
15:49But one, it is, even if he were to have coached the team last year, it is odd for a
15:54position
15:55coach to get fired one week into a season.
15:57One week into it.
15:57But usually, there's something more to the story.
15:59Even if they've been there five years, it's unusual.
16:01It could be any number of things, but usually more than just simple football.
16:05Yeah.
16:05Who knows?
16:06You know, the picture you sent, I think I know where you're going to go with this.
16:09A lot of offensive linemen lose a lot of weight when they're done playing, and you're
16:12kind of like, wow, my God.
16:13Is that guy a triathlete or a former offensive lineman?
16:16Giacomini seems to have done the impossible, which is it looks like he's lost a boatload of
16:19weight and yet still has a huge boiler.
16:21Huge boiler.
16:22Of a belly.
16:22Yeah.
16:23Don't be look on his face.
16:25Yeah.
16:26Giacomini.
16:27I've always tried to be, listen, Giacomini annoyed me partly because he was that kind
16:32of guy that would, he'd get beat badly in pass protection, but then act like a tough
16:37guy by like jumping on the defensive lineman after he sacked the quarterback or giving him
16:42a kidney punch as he ran by him.
16:43Bill O'Brien ate it up.
16:45That's what bothered me more than anything was that O'Brien thought that that was the
16:49embodiment of toughness, man.
16:50Nobody's tougher than Breno Giacomini.
16:52There's nothing worse than NFL coaches who want to think of themselves.
16:57He's tough, but who can't identify toughness.
16:59Yeah.
17:00It's the same kind of stuff that got Trevor Penning drafted to the Saints.
17:03It sucks.
17:03People thought he was a tough guy because he was beaten up on 220 pounders after getting
17:07beat.
17:08And, and now he's a, he's one of the worst offensive linemen in the NFL.
17:11And it's the waste of a name of an actual good tough guy.
17:14Like Breno Giacomini is a good tough guy name.
17:18And that guy was just, man, he'd pile on like a coward on top of people.
17:21But I think he was fake.
17:22I think he might've been one of those, I can't remember if it was him or another Houston
17:25athlete who had a very, uh, Italian sounding name, but was not Italian at all.
17:30Other than like, uh, like his great, great grandfather was the, was the Italian guy.
17:34And nobody else in his family was Italian.
17:37All right.
17:37Text in.
17:37If you know who says, I'm guessing he's fake Italian.
17:40There's no mobster in him, man.
17:41That's right.
17:42Uh, yeah.
17:43His name's actually Smith.
17:44He changed it to Giacomini when he got to the NFL.
17:46Yeah.
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