Dal 7 all'11 ottobre 1985 si consuma la vicenda del #Dirottamento della #Nave passeggeri #AchilleLauro, dell'uccisione del turista #Americano Leon Klinghoffer e del durissimo confronto tra #Roma e #Washington sulla sorte dei #terroristi responsabili dell'azione. Sono i giorni di #Sigonella: una vicenda che La #Storia siamo noi ricostruisce ora per ora, a partire dal dirottamento della Achille Lauro e dal primo "MayDay" captato dalla Guardia Costiera svedese. Come sempre nel programma di Giovanni Minoli, a parlare sono i testimoni e i protagonisti: il comandante della Achille Lauro, l'ex-Presidente della Repubblica Francesco Cossiga, il consigliere della Casa Bianca Michael Ledeen, il consigliere di Bettino Craxi Cornelio Brandini, nonché il comandante delle forze italiane di stanza all'aeroporto militare di Sigonella, dove si consumò lo scontro – che per poco non divenne armato – tra i #Carabinieri e la Delta Force americana, i primi impegnati a difendere l'aereo con i dirottatori a bordo, i secondi decisi ad espugnarlo per arrestarli. Una crisi internazionale che mise a rischio la tenuta del governo #Craxi e, soprattutto, provocò la più drammatica crisi nei rapporti tra l'#Italia e gli #StatiUniti dal dopoguerra in poi.
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00:15At 3pm on Monday 7 October 1985, Swedish coastal radio picked up a message
00:22a message from the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro
00:26which is off the coast of Egypt, there was a shooting, the radio operator reports
00:31we were hijacked by an unknown number of Palestinians
00:36Among the passengers, crew members and hostages there are 545, many of them Americans
00:42The terrorists are demanding the release of 50 of their comrades detained in Israel.
00:51Thus began the most serious political-diplomatic crisis in the history of relations between Italy and the United States.
00:58a crisis that culminated in Sicily at the Sigonella air base
01:02where it risks even turning into an armed conflict between allies
01:07the protagonist above all was the then Italian Prime Minister Bettino Craxi
01:13We Are History has reconstructed the entire story through an extraordinary series of testimonies hour by hour
01:30At 1:00 PM on Monday, October 7, 1985
01:34The cruise ship Achille Lauro is sailing in Egyptian territorial waters
01:4024,000 tons, 200 meters long, the ship flies the Italian flag
01:46On board there are 320 crew members and 107 passengers.
01:50After Egypt, the next destination is Ashdod, Israel.
01:54But the Achille Lauro will never arrive in Israel
02:01Within minutes the Achille Lauro is completely in the hands of terrorists
02:05who are few, but armed to the teeth
02:08As soon as I opened the door to the chart room I found this mammoth
02:13one of these guys, this rifle that he pointed at my throat and said
02:18we are, in short, it was declared what they were and what they wanted
02:23The first thing I saw was a white sheet stained with blood.
02:27under which was one of our sailors wounded in the legs
02:31after that I saw a mix of dressed passengers
02:33some were still wearing their swimsuits because they had been dragged from the pool
02:37so there was a first awareness of what was happening
02:45Four terrorists, one of whom was later found to be a minor
02:49only four people, but enough to keep the whole world in check
02:53they boarded in Genoa with false passports
02:56blending in with the more than 700 passengers of the Achille Lauro
02:59they call themselves fighters and members of the PLO
03:02the Palestine Liberation Organization
03:05The Palestinian command's primary objective was to carry out an attack in the Israeli port of Ashtod.
03:12The operation went to some extent, it skipped
03:16because some members of the command had been surprised by the Italian crew
03:22who put my weapons away and therefore felt exposed
03:28they stormed the ship and then hijacked it
03:36Monday, October 7, 8:10 PM
03:38Foreign Minister Andreotti establishes the crisis unit on the fifth floor of the Farnesina
03:43Meanwhile, Spadolini, who returned urgently from Milan, is at the Ministry of Defense
03:47summons all the leaders of the armed forces and secret services
03:51in agreement with the President of the Republic, Cossiga
03:54located in the Castelporziano estate
03:56He instructs the military to develop a plan to free the ship by force.
04:00but the operation immediately appears difficult and risky
04:09Andreotti contacts Butrus Ghali, Egyptian Minister of State, from home.
04:13which assures him of Cairo's full cooperation
04:17Andreotti then calls Arafat who distances himself from the terrorists
04:21The PLO clarifies its official position in a statement
04:26We have nothing to do with it, we want to help Italy in this crisis
04:319.30pm
04:33Prime Minister Bettino Craxi arrives at Palazzo Chigi.
04:37He also immediately activates all diplomatic channels
04:421 o'clock
04:43Craxi, Andreotti, and Spadolini meet at Palazzo Chigi.
04:46The Minister of Defense illustrates the deployment of forces
04:49and sets out the military intervention plan
04:51Andreotti for his part calls for moderation
04:563am
04:57Yasser Arafat telephones Bettino Craxi
05:00He reiterates that the PLO has no involvement in the hijacking.
05:03and informs him that two of his emissaries are on their way to Cairo
05:06to support the Egyptian government in the negotiations
05:11One of the two is Abul Abbas
05:13leader of the front for the liberation of Palestine
05:16a faction of the PLO that the terrorists would be part of
05:20even if in a dissident group
05:23It's one of the things that
05:26then many don't know
05:29who suggested turning to Arafat
05:34it was the Americans
05:35They said but listen to Arafat for a moment
05:38what was done
05:39and Arafat gave us his availability
05:43and this his emissary
05:45he seemed like a solution seeker
05:50Abul Abbas is the heart of a child
05:55truly one
06:00a very simple person
06:03At 2pm on the second day of kidnapping
06:06the hijackers ask to be allowed to dock
06:09in a Syrian port
06:10Damascus is ready to welcome the Italian ship
06:13but only if Italy and the United States
06:16they will agree to open negotiations with the terrorists
06:19An hour later
06:20the American ambassador goes to Palazzo Chigi
06:24with a message from US President Reagan
06:27what does he say?
06:28Washington does not negotiate
06:30At this point Craxi can do nothing but prohibit the docking.
06:35of the Achille Lauro in Syria
06:36But the terrorists don't take it well.
06:39they decide to eliminate one of the hostages
06:43Leon Klinghofer
06:4569 years old
06:46American
06:46Jew
06:47it's him
06:48a disabled person in a wheelchair
06:50the victim chosen by Palestinian terrorists
06:53Klinghofer is brought onto the bridge
06:55and killed with a gunshot to the chest
06:58and one on the forehead
07:00then to two crew members
07:01he was ordered to throw his body into the sea
07:04and I heard some shots
07:07after a few minutes Molchi arrived
07:10with this passenger's passport
07:13he told me
07:13if they don't answer us
07:14and they make themselves heard
07:17we kill a passenger every three minutes
07:23Wednesday, October 9
07:242 a.m.
07:25US Ambassador Raab
07:27returns to Palazzo Chigi
07:28in a private conversation with Craxi
07:30the diplomat reveals that some interceptions
07:33confirm the murder of the passenger
07:35Washington says
07:37is ready to attack the ship
07:39Craxi takes his time
07:41and there was a point of pride, let's say
07:45the Italians said
07:47if the operation needs to be done
07:49the Italians of Consubin should also participate
07:52because it is still an Italian ship
07:56it was discarded
07:59the hypothesis why it was said
08:02the technical bodies said
08:04that there would have been bloodshed anyway
08:08also very likely
08:11among the civilians who were on the ship
08:17Wednesday, October 9
08:18Port Said, Egypt, 9 a.m.
08:20Achille Lauro drops anchor
08:2215 miles off the harbor
08:24Israeli Mossad intercepts a conversation
08:26between a certain Abu Khaled
08:28later identified as Abu Labbas
08:30and the terrorists on board
08:33the man the hijackers call commander
08:36demands surrender
08:37and promises a safe conduct
08:39a ship says
08:41he will go and get them
08:42but first they must lay down their arms
08:44and apologize to the captain and the passengers
08:48Rome, 11am
08:49the PLO submits to the Italian government
08:52the request for safe conduct for the hijackers
08:54the Americans immediately say they are absolutely against it
08:57Italy instead accepts
08:59but it poses a condition
09:01that no acts of violence were committed on board
09:04prosecutable under the Italian penal code
09:08for this reason the government is asking for contact with Gerardo De Rosa
09:11the commander of the Achille Lauro
09:13De Rosa confirms
09:14the passengers are all well
09:16I was under gunpoint
09:19not such a threat
09:20a threat from people I already knew
09:23I knew it
09:24that I knew it by then
09:26who had already killed
09:27they had already killed
09:29there they all lied
09:30Ambassador Migliuolo
09:32he confessed
09:33indeed with a satisfied air too
09:37and he said
09:38we had made the mistake
09:39it's clear
09:40the swindle, that is, the scam
09:42we did the trick for the Americans
09:44Absolutely not
09:45Craxi did not know that Kringhofer had already been killed
09:49he couldn't have known
09:51because there wasn't that news
09:53we didn't get that kind of news
09:56which if we had known
09:58that there was a murder
10:00not because he was a Jew
10:02whoever it was
10:03Italian or not Italian
10:05we wouldn't have done it
10:07because it was really then
10:09aiding and abetting criminals
10:16Port Said
10:173.30 pm
10:18an Egyptian tugboat
10:20reaches the Achille Lauro
10:21and pick up the hijackers
10:23the ship is free
10:28Achille Lauro is therefore free
10:30the case seems to be nearing its conclusion
10:33but in reality we are only at the beginning of a crisis
10:37unprecedented
10:39the hijackers and the two PLO mediators
10:42they are boarded
10:43on a Boeing bound for Tunisia
10:45a secret flight
10:47but not a secret to Americans
10:52Almasa, Egypt
10:539.15pm
10:54Egyptair's Boeing 737
10:56takes off from the Egyptian air base
10:59the four hijackers on the plane
11:01the two PLO emissaries
11:03Aniel Hassan and Aboul Abbas
11:05and eight other Egyptians
11:06the destination is Tunis
11:09PLO headquarters
11:10but the Tunisian government
11:11at American request
11:12denies landing permission
11:14The Boeing then heads for Athens
11:16but also Greece
11:17denies permission
11:18From Washington at that time
11:20Ronald Reagan sends a clear message
11:22to terrorists
11:23A message to the terrorists
11:24A message you can run
11:28that you cannot discover
11:29Reagan gave the order to the American fighters
11:32to hijack the Egyptian plane
11:34at the Sigonella military base in Sicily
11:37The American president, however,
11:39requires Italian authorization
11:41In the night Michael Ledin
11:43White House advisor
11:45tries to get in touch with Craxi
11:48As he identified himself as Michael Ledin
11:51Craxi wasn't very popular
11:54for Michael Ledin
11:56he had it said
12:00or he said
12:01me with Ledin
12:02I don't see why
12:04I should talk
12:06So I was talking to Brandino
12:08I said
12:08listen it's me
12:10I mean if you're telling me
12:12that Craxi is not there
12:13while instead he is
12:16in the room next to you
12:17you will find your photograph
12:19on the front page
12:20of all the newspapers in the world
12:22at that moment
12:22it didn't pass
12:25Via Ledin
12:26the White House asks Craxi
12:28permission to land
12:29the plane to Sigonella
12:32Craxi grants permission
12:34but immediately after
12:35contact the military authorities
12:36the Egyptian plane
12:38must be protected
12:39at all costs
12:40and the passengers
12:41must be in custody
12:42of the Italian authorities
12:44As soon as the airplane
12:46landed
12:46we put
12:48of the means
12:48in front of
12:50and behind the airplane
12:51and we took it
12:52and brought
12:53in the area
12:54where he operated
12:55aeronautics
12:56this is what we say
12:58which has a little
13:00disconcerted
13:00I think
13:01those who were
13:02the plans were
13:03of the Americans
13:04because they thought
13:06to land
13:07the airplane
13:10bring it
13:11on their side
13:12and there
13:12we would no longer have
13:14could
13:15to put your nose in
13:16Why
13:17if they would have
13:18took them
13:21On the Sigonella trail
13:23the VAM soldiers
13:24the surveillance
13:25of the Air Force
13:25they arrange themselves in a circle
13:26around the Egyptian plane
13:28but as soon as we landed
13:30from their planes
13:30the American military
13:32surround
13:33in turn
13:33the Italian security cordon
13:36a few minutes pass
13:37and it also arrives
13:38a column
13:38of motor vehicles
13:39of the carabinieri
13:40which
13:40weapons in hand
13:41surround
13:42the Americans
13:42we were
13:43face to face
13:45with our boys
13:48VAM
13:48the carabinieri
13:49and those of the Delta Force
13:53and the tension was there
13:55it would have been enough
13:58that the Americans
13:59had attempted
14:01to withdraw
14:02by force
14:06the terrorists
14:08the terrorists
14:08that they were
14:08on the plane
14:09or what
14:13and that they had
14:14overwhelmed
14:15our VAMs
14:17first of all
14:18the VAMs
14:19they would have responded
14:20and then certainly
14:21they would have intervened
14:22the carabinieri
14:23and it would have been
14:25they would have shot
14:26right away
14:27so we said
14:29to Steiner
14:30give it a try
14:32he goes to the plane
14:34and give it to the police
14:35that your orders
14:36I'm taking
14:38the terrorists
14:39and take them to Washington
14:40and let's see what they say
14:41the carabinieri
14:43they responded
14:44our orders
14:45I'm to keep
14:46the terrorists here
14:47we'll take care of it
14:48and we can't
14:49absolutely
14:50give them into your hands
14:53we were listening
14:54this conversation
14:57Washington
14:58Friday, October 11
15:00one in the morning Italian time
15:01Reagan is out of his mind
15:02for the attitude
15:03of the Italian government
15:04but it's true
15:06for example
15:06than with Reagan
15:07in the night of Sigonella
15:09the famous one
15:09between her and him
15:10they flew
15:12the big words
15:12no big words
15:13no firm words
15:14let's say
15:15I am
15:15I am
15:16I am
15:17I am
15:17they crossed
15:18the thread
15:18but firm words
15:19no big words
15:20no, on the contrary
15:21everything was resolved
15:22in a very
15:23I say very civilized
15:25with a
15:25with a mutual
15:26dispute
15:27of topics
15:28in that phone call
15:29in the heart of the night
15:30Reagan and Bettino Craxi
15:32they discuss the fate
15:34of the four
15:34Palestinian hijackers
15:35and of the two mediators
15:37of the PLO
15:38appointed by Arafat
15:39to act as interpreter
15:41in that interview
15:42it's always
15:43Michael Ledin
15:44Reagan said
15:46us now
15:47we will send
15:47this mandate
15:48of capture
15:49and therefore
15:51I beg you
15:52to have it put in
15:52everyone
15:53in jail
15:55and Craxi said
15:56but we have to put
15:58all in jail
15:58we can't
15:59put
15:59four in jail
16:00and two
16:01under
16:02surveillance
16:03and Reagan
16:05he said
16:05but why not
16:07Why
16:08Reagan
16:09on the contrary
16:09in his image
16:10it was in short
16:11too good
16:13in these things
16:15and I
16:15I translated it
16:16saying
16:17ninth
16:17absolutely
16:18everyone in jail
16:20and Craxi said
16:21All right
16:21let's put everyone in jail
16:22if a person
16:24like Ledin
16:24becomes
16:25the interlocutor
16:26or
16:27he who
16:28translate
16:29and translates
16:32freely
16:32on his own
16:34it means
16:35that something
16:35or in the services
16:37of the CIA
16:38or in other things
16:42it was happening
16:43subsequently
16:44during the night
16:45President Reagan
16:46he has me
16:47asked again
16:50he exposed me
16:52the desire
16:52of the government
16:53of the United States
16:53to be able to
16:56to transport
16:56in the United States
16:59the group
17:00of terrorists
17:01to submit them
17:01to American justice
17:04me in my face
17:05I pointed out
17:06that the crimes
17:07had been committed
17:08in Italian territory
17:09and that therefore
17:10the jurisdiction
17:11belonged to Italy
17:12on this
17:13the president
17:14of the United States
17:14he agreed
17:15but he pronounced
17:16but a request
17:18of extradition
17:20by
17:21of the United States
17:22towards
17:23of the four terrorists
17:24in Sigonella
17:25meanwhile
17:26goes on stage
17:27another
17:27tough confrontation
17:29the one between
17:30the colonel
17:30annihilating
17:31commander
17:32of the military airport
17:33and General Steiner
17:34head of the
17:35American Delta Force
17:37I gave him
17:39ten minutes of time
17:39to repeat
17:41his men
17:43him
17:43he came out
17:44from the room
17:45And
17:45he went
17:47on a small terrace
17:47that was there
17:49Neighbor
17:50with
17:51he called
17:52the usual man
17:53with his
17:54his phone
17:55he spoke
17:56on the phone
17:57I don't know with whom
17:58the fact is
17:59which is closed
17:59the phone call
18:00he told me
18:01Colonel
18:02At that time
18:04the men
18:05to want the airplane
18:05they are his
18:08Sigonella
18:09Friday, October 11
18:104 a.m.
18:11the Americans
18:12they have no choice
18:13the Delta Force
18:14he retires
18:15and leaves the base
18:16of Sigonella
18:16General Steiner
18:18however it remains at the base
18:19to make sure
18:20that the terrorists
18:21actually come
18:22arrested by the Italians
18:23two hours later
18:25the four hijackers
18:26they get off the plane
18:27and they are taken
18:28on delivery
18:28from the police
18:29the kidnappers
18:30of the Achille Lauro
18:31so
18:31they are arrested
18:33Abu Abbas
18:34but
18:34remained on board
18:36of the Egyptian Boeing
18:37and the Americans
18:38they are determined
18:39to arrest him
18:40the Americans
18:41they insisted
18:42that don't let you start
18:44the plane
18:44that they want
18:45get on the plane
18:46to take
18:48Abu Abbas
18:49why this
18:49it's an order
18:50the Italian part
18:52with courtesy
18:54and kindness
18:55but with a lot
18:56firmness
18:57they told him
18:58it's not possible
18:59this
19:00a decision
19:02of the Italian government
19:03this is about
19:04sovereignty
19:06of the Italian government
19:08and of Italy
19:08in particular
19:10shortly after
19:12from Palazzo Chigi
19:12the decision comes
19:13by Craxi
19:14the plane must leave
19:15Sigonella
19:16towards Rome
19:17when the plane
19:19then he left
19:20and came to Ciampino
19:21without warning us
19:23the American hunt
19:26from the aircraft carriers
19:27he took flight
19:28to search
19:30to divert
19:32the plane
19:35on bases
19:37safer
19:37while he was escorted
19:39from Italian hunting
19:40and there
19:42they were given to me
19:42conversations
19:45let's say
19:46very supported
19:47and spicy ones too
19:48that I listened to
19:49among the Italian pilots
19:52and the American pilots
19:54Well
19:55they exchange
19:56bad words
19:56while the plane
19:58still on board
19:58in Buabash
19:59on the ground Ciampino
20:00he arrives
20:01the announced one
20:01request
20:02of American extradition
20:04but the Italian government
20:05the denies it
20:06Craxi
20:07he found
20:07a way out
20:08for the mediator
20:09of the PLO
20:10at that moment
20:12I said
20:14we can
20:15to try
20:16Of
20:18to do
20:19host
20:19Abu Abbas
20:20to receive
20:21Abu Abbas
20:21from the government
20:22of Yugoslavia
20:24Rome
20:256:30 pm
20:26in great secrecy
20:28the Egyptian plane
20:29takes off from Ciampino
20:30after a few minutes
20:31lands in the nearby
20:32Fiumicino Airport
20:34here
20:34protected by services
20:36Italian secrets
20:36Abu Abbas
20:37he boards a plane
20:38Yugoslavian line
20:39at 6.45pm
20:41the plane takes off
20:42on the way to Belgrade
20:43it remained
20:45eight days
20:47at my house
20:47in Belgrade
20:49and I heard
20:50from him
20:51all the
20:51the whole story
20:53even at the level
20:53staff
20:54as he spoke
20:55he considers
20:57that he
20:57he doesn't have
20:58he didn't have
20:59no responsibility
21:00live
21:01on the kidnapping
21:02on the contrary
21:03he considered
21:04That
21:05his role
21:06state
21:06Truly
21:08save
21:09life
21:10of all
21:11those
21:11that have been
21:13in that ship
21:14and save
21:14the ship
21:15same
21:15the escape
21:17by Abbas
21:17causes an earthquake
21:19on the international level
21:20and in the majority
21:21October 15th
21:23to officially open
21:24the government crisis
21:25he is the minister
21:26of the defense
21:27John Spadolini
21:28I said
21:29that I don't vote
21:30no documents
21:31that implies
21:31in any way
21:32approval
21:33of what happened
21:34on the Abbas case
21:34I just have to confirm
21:36this statement
21:37deliberate
21:37unanimously
21:38from the party
21:40let's say a little
21:41the truth
21:41he had
21:43a behavior
21:44Spadolini
21:45which was completely
21:46different
21:47from Craxi's
21:49he was pro-American
21:51Spadolini
21:52Bettino
21:53Craxi
21:53it wasn't
21:55he had some
21:56he had his
21:57concept
21:57to be
21:59Italian
22:00the truth
22:01we didn't think
22:02to have
22:02a reaction
22:04so strong
22:05by
22:06of opinion
22:06public
22:07American
22:08which broke out
22:09for a few days
22:10with a
22:11very special
22:13violence
22:13it's important
22:14that we
22:15we demonstrate
22:16our attitude
22:17In short
22:17we don't like it
22:18that this terrorist
22:19arch-terrorist
22:20this great
22:21assist
22:22it was done
22:24escape
22:25from Italy
22:26when we had it
22:27in our hands
22:28Well
22:28we must not forget
22:29that after a few days
22:30the president
22:31of the United States
22:32he writes to me
22:32a letter
22:33staff
22:33calling me
22:35by name
22:35and telling me
22:36dear Bettino
22:37don't do that
22:38come here
22:39that we are friends
22:43Washington
22:44Sunday, October 19
22:451985
22:46the letter
22:48by Ronald Reagan
22:48to Bettino Craxi
22:49formally closes
22:50the diplomatic crisis
22:51between Italy
22:52and the United States
22:52in spite of
22:54of the divergences
22:55Reagan writes
22:55friendship
22:56between our countries
22:57and the common commitment
22:58against terrorism
22:59I'm not in question
23:01when I feel
23:03all the controversies
23:04that are moved to me
23:06against
23:08in Italy
23:09where they put me
23:10in crisis
23:11the government
23:12for Sigonella
23:13and for the story
23:15by Abu Abbas
23:17I had to go
23:19in Washington
23:20and I cancelled
23:21the journey
23:22in protest
23:24in front of this
23:25attitude
23:26American
23:27and their friends
23:28and their spokespeople
23:29in Italy
23:30All right?
23:32Instead
23:32instead of thanking us
23:35they mounted
23:37a whole story
23:40and then
23:41you have to see
23:42like the American administration
23:43he seized
23:44the Egyptian plane
23:47and not only this
23:54since he did it
23:56violating sovereignty
23:57of the Italian territory
23:59or of Italian
24:02director
24:06after Reagan's letter
24:08which closed
24:09the crisis with Washington
24:10November 6th
24:11of '85
24:11Craxi
24:13gets
24:13even trust
24:14of the majority
24:15which supports
24:16his government
24:17in the course
24:18of the parliamentary debate
24:19which precedes
24:21the vote
24:21the socialist leader
24:23defends
24:24his choices
24:24in defense
24:25of sovereignty
24:26Italian national team
24:28and clarifies
24:29once and for all
24:30his point of view
24:32on the Palestinian question
24:33I contest
24:35the use of armed struggle
24:37to the OLF
24:37not because
24:38consider
24:39consider
24:40that he has no right to it
24:41because I think
24:42that the armed struggle
24:43will not bring
24:43no solution
24:44that is, I'm convinced
24:46what an armed struggle
24:47and terrorism
24:48they won't solve
24:49the problem
24:50of the Palestinian question
24:53because the context
24:54and the examination of the context
24:55clearly shows
24:56that they will only do
24:58of the victims
24:58innocent
24:59more or less
25:00in the course
25:02of this attempt
25:05of armed struggle
25:05but it won't solve
25:06the problem
25:07armed struggle
25:08and terrorism
25:09says Craxi
25:10they won't solve
25:11the Palestinian question
25:12and yet even today
25:13armed struggle
25:14and terrorism
25:15fuel conflicts
25:17no way out
25:18and then maybe
25:19where they don't reach
25:20politics
25:21and diplomacy
25:22can arrive
25:23the art
25:23intended as a tool
25:25of dialogue
25:26between enemies
25:27and construction
25:28of bridges
25:29for peace
25:30and that's it
25:30what happens
25:31precisely in these months
25:32at the Venice Biennale
25:33by Pietrangelo Buttafuoco
25:36Pietrangelo Buttafuoco
25:37journalist
25:38writer
25:39deep
25:40connoisseur
25:41of the Islamic world
25:43president
25:43of the Venice Biennale
25:45here is Pietrangelo
25:46in your speech
25:47of settlement
25:48you spoke
25:49of the Biennale
25:49as a tool
25:51through which
25:52the art
25:53the poem
25:53the music
25:54the architecture
25:55they can be
25:56the bridge of peace
25:57among the peoples
25:58is this really it
25:59the goal
26:00of the Biennale?
26:01you can't pretend
26:02you can't think
26:03that nothing is happening
26:05and around us
26:06around this world
26:08there is a reality
26:10institutional
26:11an institution
26:12cultural
26:13very important
26:14what is the Biennale
26:15who speaks
26:16to the whole world
26:17who has the responsibility
26:18to listen
26:19over 90 nations
26:22which with its own pavilions
26:23they are present
26:24it's like it was
26:25a real one
26:28globe
26:28available
26:29of what it is
26:30the living feeling
26:31some things
26:32and there
26:33peace
26:34or better yet
26:35life
26:36find a place
26:38here but to be achieved
26:39like this goal
26:40stupendous?
26:41well for example
26:42at the film festival
26:43I noticed a detail
26:44that said it all
26:45maybe a detail
26:46of poetry
26:47but with a meaning
26:48strong symbolic
26:49if we consider
26:50than at the Olympics
26:51the athletes
26:52they can no longer
26:53to compete
26:53with its own colors
26:54if they are considered
26:55enemies
26:56I saw
26:57paired
26:57in alphabetical order
26:59the flags
27:00of two nations
27:01currently
27:02at war
27:02nearby
27:03and the wind
27:04he made them kiss
27:05I found
27:06this significant
27:07precisely because
27:08in that place
27:09It's the symbol for you
27:09it is the symbol
27:10for your Biennale
27:11it is the symbol
27:12where everyone
27:13in the meantime
27:14that as soon as I arrive
27:15everyone asks me
27:16to censor
27:17to close
27:17I had continuously
27:19requests from people
27:20what they told me
27:20close the pavilion
27:21of Israel
27:22close the pavilion
27:23Iranian
27:24censor this
27:25censor that
27:26Well
27:26the answer was
27:27not on a closure
27:30no closure
27:31openings
27:31rather
27:32it seems beautiful to me
27:34and you appeal
27:35Perhaps
27:36to get
27:36this result
27:37I read it verbatim
27:39the aristocracy
27:40of knowledge
27:41so that it overcomes
27:43the barriers
27:44it's a utopia
27:45and you think it is
27:46the very instrument
27:48let's say it's our duty
27:49when we witnessed
27:51to scenes
27:51frankly
27:52ridiculous
27:54they were so serious
27:55like those of censorship
27:57and it happened
27:58in Italian universities
28:00the lessons
28:00by Dostoevsky
28:01why should we be
28:03at war
28:04Well
28:04then our duty
28:06is to make sure that
28:07all the more so
28:08the powerful voice
28:10of art
28:10of beauty
28:11of poetry
28:12which is the most similar one
28:13to the feeling
28:14of religion
28:15of being together
28:17have the opportunity
28:19to dialogue
28:19to speak
28:20we come from an Italy
28:21wonderful
28:22which was for example
28:23Lapira's Italy
28:25the holy mayor
28:26of Florence
28:27it was also Italy
28:28by Pio Latorre
28:29victim
28:30killed by the mafia
28:32but at the same time
28:33engaged
28:34in the mobilization
28:35of consciences
28:36well
28:36we have to ask ourselves
28:38to reflect
28:38it would be possible
28:39Today
28:40an activity
28:41like that one
28:41of Lapira
28:42who called
28:43in his Florence
28:44the enemies
28:44that were fighting each other
28:45among themselves
28:46it would be possible
28:47mobilize
28:48on a fear
28:50that if it is not
28:50already war
28:52it is anyway
28:53pre-war
28:54Here you are
28:54we have to ask ourselves
28:55so that for example
28:57the ancient enemies
28:58may find themselves again
28:59and evoked
29:00an image
29:00very precise
29:01that of
29:02Mitterrand
29:03and Coll
29:03Meaning what
29:04Germany
29:05and France
29:06what a hand
29:07in the hand
29:08in the Black Forest
29:09they were going to deliver
29:11the prize
29:11Goethe
29:12at the last one
29:13of the iron crosses
29:15remained
29:15the last soldier
29:16Ernest Juncker
29:17it was time
29:18in which the nations
29:19that they had
29:20torn apart
29:21fought
29:22within
29:22of this eternal
29:23civil war
29:24that from
29:261915
29:27he arrives
29:28nowadays
29:29they could
29:30find a way
29:31to meet
29:32through the
29:33great literature
29:33and then
29:34the Biennale
29:35in concrete terms
29:36on which
29:38concrete facts
29:40think of making it happen
29:41this goal
29:42in your program
29:43there will be
29:44Certainly
29:44of the projects
29:46nothing but
29:46Obviously
29:47us
29:48we reported
29:49in life
29:49there
29:50well deserved
29:51highly celebrated
29:53magazine
29:53of the Biennale
29:54of Venice
29:54and there
29:55in a scenario
29:56international
29:57with
29:58interventions
29:59that arrive
29:59from all over the world
30:00even between
30:01their enemies
30:02there is the comparison
30:03on a topic
30:04fundamental
30:05what is it for example
30:06the water
30:06the next G20
30:08it will be just
30:09on this topic
30:10which is not
30:11simply
30:11to quench one's thirst
30:12it is also
30:13the development
30:14technological
30:15the construction
30:15of a geostrategy
30:17we know perfectly well
30:18that the future
30:19terrible wars
30:20they will be played
30:21all
30:21on the water
30:22that Daffi
30:23he always said it
30:24he always said it
30:25he had the sensitivity
30:26of the absence
30:27of the water
30:28and so
30:28in the same way
30:29there is a path
30:31that we have
30:31started building
30:33that is, which one
30:34it's the 700th anniversary
30:36by Marco Polo
30:37we couldn't
30:37exempt ourselves
30:38and for the first time
30:40in its history
30:42the Biennale
30:42he goes out
30:43from the borders
30:44and retraces
30:46the stages
30:46by Marco Polo
30:47in November
30:48November 10th
30:50in Guangzhou
30:51in China
30:52we will inaugurate
30:53an exhibition
30:53edited by Luigia
30:55Lonardelli
30:56and it will be
30:57the first
30:58of the many
30:59stages
30:59that Marco Polo
31:00he knew
31:02build
31:03in that horizon
31:04so that
31:05this path
31:07even through
31:08terrible places
31:09where still
31:10he's alive
31:10the meaning
31:11of the conflict
31:12the art
31:13may be present
31:14to tell
31:16that one too
31:16very special Italy
31:17that Italy
31:18who knows how to be
31:19universal
31:20that Italy
31:21who has known
31:22through
31:23special men
31:24the feeling
31:26own
31:26of the time
31:27in one position
31:29high
31:29in one position
31:31where is it
31:32the meeting
31:33and this
31:34it's the beginning
31:34it's the beginning
31:35of the path
31:36it's the first stage
31:37of this path
31:37marvelous
31:38by Marco Polo
31:40if the second one too
31:41it will be Istanbul
31:42Istanbul
31:44always important
31:45say it
31:46Here you are
31:46Meaning what
31:47somehow
31:48you think that
31:48the artist
31:49today it can arrive
31:51where politics
31:52and diplomacy
31:53they can't get there
31:54Well
31:55that of the artist
31:56forever
31:57it was the feature
31:58own
31:58to know how to be
32:00not only
32:01the interpreter
32:02of the spirit
32:03of the time
32:03the zeitgeist
32:04captured
32:05just like now
32:07but also
32:07to have vision
32:08but also
32:09to know how to imagine
32:10but also
32:10to know how to build
32:12and we know perfectly well
32:13that the artists
32:14those of a certain part
32:16of the world
32:17that now
32:17they are forced
32:18to censorship
32:19ally
32:20of self-censorship
32:22to the cancellation
32:24to the correction
32:26see the statues
32:27by Christopher Columbus
32:29to fall
32:29in the meantime
32:30that on the other side
32:31of the world
32:32for example
32:32the statue
32:32by Marco Polo
32:33she lived
32:34it is well celebrated
32:36but
32:36the artist
32:37has the opportunity
32:38to grasp
32:39what will come
32:40Well
32:40we are very curious
32:42to assist
32:43to this one
32:44great adventure
32:45intellectual
32:46and spiritual
32:47let me say
32:48what will be
32:48your biennial
32:49Thank you
32:50Thank you
32:51Thank you
32:52Thank you
32:53Thank you
32:54Thank you
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