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The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 4 Episode 8
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00:12Stop talking and listen.
00:15No, I am listening.
00:16Like I said, be a mom.
00:17Okay, you just told me to ask.
00:18Didn't you just ask me to explain it to you?
00:20Now you're telling me to listen.
00:22So which one do you want?
00:23Do you want me to listen or do you want me to tell you?
00:26Both.
00:27Communicate.
00:27No, you just told me to stop and listen.
00:29So I'm listening.
00:30Well, you had your trip.
00:30I'm listening.
00:31My mom and I just landed in Colorado.
00:33I'm hoping that this trip gives me a little bit of information, answers about my biological dad.
00:38But this trip is already hell because I don't want to be in the car anymore with my mom.
00:44No, it's just very toxic.
00:46Why didn't you ask him?
00:47Dakota, why the fuck are you a fucking liar?
00:49Why wasn't anyone asking him that?
00:51I don't know.
00:52We didn't ask him.
00:53That's why I'm asking.
00:53We don't know.
00:54I just told you an answer.
00:55Oh, you don't know.
00:56We don't know.
00:56You shouldn't be with him.
00:57That's the whole point.
00:58Sometimes I just want to be heard.
01:00Like, just listen to.
01:02And, like, there's always an opinion or advice.
01:04And then maybe I just need to be more clear.
01:06Just listen and say nothing.
01:07I'm sick of talking about Dakota.
01:10This isn't just about Dakota.
01:12No, that's all it is.
01:13You're still hooked up on him.
01:15No, you are.
01:16I hate him.
01:16No, you're hooked up on him.
01:17You're still in love with him.
01:19You are.
01:19You want me to have respect for you.
01:22I don't ask for respect.
01:24Okay, but you want us to back you up, but you can't even respect me.
01:27No, I don't want you to back me.
01:28Don't back me up.
01:29No.
01:29Then why are you pissed?
01:30Huh?
01:31Why are you pissed then?
01:32I'm asking you.
01:32If you don't want us to back you up.
01:34You can't answer.
01:34You haven't answered my goddamn question.
01:36Stop using the Lord's name in vain, please.
01:40I want to go home.
01:41So I'm going back to the airport.
01:43I don't want to do this anymore.
01:46Come ye saints and come ye sinners.
01:53Alleluia.
01:55Listener, I'm the one you've been dreaming of.
02:00I've got everything you could ever want.
02:03Trying to hear you see, I'll bring you to your knees.
02:07Baby, you're going to believe.
02:09Baby, you're going to believe in me.
02:16Baby, you're going to believe in me.
02:28Baby, you're going to believe in me.
02:52oh it's busy today i'm not gonna lie i feel like i would have a blast here
02:56i know this is one of those times where i'm like yeah i'll just go play with the kids then
03:00you're like climbing by myself climbing up that thing dating as a single mom is incredibly
03:05challenging my boys are my whole world but things are going really good between me and mason we've
03:10been together five months officially and i'm really happy i let mason see my kids maybe once a
03:18week i just feel like until i know that he truly is in this for the right reasons he's not
03:23in the
03:23place yet to be a father figure around them what happened to your arms you have you look like an
03:28elephant with your trunk right here okay go over there go play go on fun roll do the slide this
03:36slide in the back do the rainbow slide
03:41your child needs some milk good job
03:46are you excited for new york yes it's gonna be fun i'm super excited because i'm going to new york
03:52tomorrow to pursue some things with modeling mason's also coming along with me to new york and i'm
03:56really excited to have them come support me i've been modeling since i was a little girl and i've
04:00done small shows and modeled for boutiques and things like that but i had to put a big hold on
04:05it
04:06being a mom but i am excited to be able to put myself first for a second i mean i
04:11don't have these
04:11legs for no reason you know they need to be on a runway i have a meeting lined up with
04:16ford
04:17like the modeling agency series yeah are you nervous i'm excited but nervous just being able
04:24to get like a meeting with them is like a big deal so because they're like one of the bigger
04:27ones
04:28like in the world yeah right no that's sick i'm excited you're gonna be there it's gonna be a fun
04:34trip five more minutes okay okay five minutes all its girls are getting such cool opportunities like
04:41the girls dancing the stars and taylor got charrette yeah and i kind of get my chance now just
04:48because i've been dreaming of doing modeling since i was little i gotta get dinner soon
04:54you should for sure go on five they can have like ten they're fine
05:00i did say five minutes a few seconds yeah but this is so
05:08what they're having fun dinner can wait maybe we should compromise call it seven
05:15no ten i just feel like with the kids sometimes hey can i have another five minutes another five
05:21minutes another five minutes you know like i feel like they just like push you and see how far
05:26they can get away with you sometimes and they just kind of get away with a lot almost like
05:31who's controlling who a little bit
05:38yeah i guess i just feel like you should put your foot down a little bit more
05:41there definitely has been a few times in the past that mason seems very annoyed with my boys
05:47i'm definitely scared to bring up these things with mason i'm afraid it would potentially scare him
05:51off or i would come off too strong and he wouldn't know how to handle it i just i don't
05:59want to
05:59ruin the relationship before me or can i just don't want things to be awkward or heated or feel
06:03contention so i just don't think right now is the time to bring it up
06:25let's just try to get along while we're here we came all this way
06:32even though i did want to go home i still want to learn more about my biological father brian so
06:37i
06:37want to sweep everything with my mom that just happened under the rug so we can actually be
06:41present here and get the most out of what we came for
06:45hi thank you for having me taylor nice to meet you
06:48hey how are you you look nice i've known steve since i was in high school he knew brian throughout
06:57his life and he was probably the best resource for taylor to ask any questions that she might have
07:05let me start from the top or yeah go for it all right so brian was just a great person
07:09super super
07:10super intelligent that's what everyone says about him super intelligent he was a tough kid was also a
07:15taurus i don't know if that matters so for us i don't know much about like the taurus ones i
07:19don't
07:19like have it bullheaded i guess yeah like a bull yeah just kind of like you know show them red
07:25and
07:25maybe they go crazy i don't know oh maybe that's where i get half of that problem maybe the other
07:29half
07:29of me i guess he used to fight a lot all the fights he got into the they started it
07:34with him
07:35oh really yeah why i don't know that's how i feel everyone just starts with me and i have to
07:40fight
07:40he ends up going to the marines after the basic training he comes back because that's two years
07:46before you're born and he gets in a horrible car accident and so he breaks his neck and that just
07:52changes everything he just never recovered so we see like pretty normal before that like too super
07:58so he didn't even do drugs before that no i think would have been different he was like really
08:02happy in like in high school like that jock super cool straight leg yeah football healthy smart strong
08:09how old so when was the car accident how old was he um probably 19. brian and i met when
08:15i was 15
08:15the car accident he was in changed him completely but i stayed with him i felt like i was in
08:21love with
08:22him brian had that hold on me that i i feel like dakota has on taylor brian got the worst
08:28of it he was in
08:28the backseat broke his neck um 93 rolls around and he discovered cocaine yeah and well then crystal
08:38meth comes in at some point in the late 90s just never it's just it breaks my heart it always
08:43did
08:43and i always try to like help him out i just know he had an overdose in 2015 oh wow
08:48i don't know
08:49i think that just sent him down because he was gone about a year later it's wild it's a lot
08:55to take in
08:56yeah um i don't know how is this for you so it's just like a kind of a blur
09:04i know i feel like you don't remember like anything about him i remember him but i mean
09:07they're just i remember fighting most of the time yeah and not so maybe it's not something you like to
09:12talk about i don't i don't know i just remember one incident i'm not gonna say that on camera though
09:18but what what was it yeah the reservoir he was just kind of bad of temper oh yeah i'll just
09:24say
09:25that i think he like kicked you in the stomach yeah like in front of everyone yeah yeah it was
09:32a
09:32really toxic relationship yeah he was very jealous very jealous he dragged me out of a club one time
09:39hearing that my biological father he would like kick her in front of everyone you know
09:44was really sad i just didn't know it was that extent so it makes me actually feel for her
09:48um because i think she just gets triggered and when she sees any toxicity in like my life or my
09:53relationship i think i need to give her that grace because i don't think she's ever been heard
09:58when i found out i was pregnant with taylor we had just broken up and then i find out i'm
10:02pregnant
10:02with her i didn't want anything to do with him and then after i had the baby we kind of
10:07got back
10:08together and then i'm like oh no because that's what he started doing so i do recall like drugs
10:13you met jeremy and then jeremy ended up adopting you right yeah brian just i think at that point was
10:19just so far gone he was just like i'm just going to stay over let's kind of stay out of
10:22it
10:24jeremy came into our lives like at the lowest time of my life taylor was just a little over a
10:30year old
10:31and i feel that he saved me and i feel like that he saved taylor i brought some pictures here
10:40i brought you a handful of them oh that's so cool that's his senior picture you can kind of see
10:46i have his little smirk i do know that he reminds me a lot of my son that's crazy like
10:51my youngest
10:52which is yeah it's interesting it'd be his like little mini if he was here he walks like him too
10:57with his same thing oh yeah it's weird i would always have dreams about him like even when i
11:03moved to utah that he was going to show up on our doorstep like for both of us but he
11:06never did
11:08i didn't know my mom feared brian um in that way there is a part of me that like wonders
11:15what
11:15else she hasn't told me what else was going on what else happened that you're not saying or maybe
11:20never will i think if he was still around he would have made peace with you by now or i
11:25just
11:25attempted to reach out um just wasn't his right mind was a great guy i wouldn't take it personal
11:40for sure
11:41oh would you look at this what looks good so far no i'm trying to be festive
11:52i can't even pick these up either so heavy jordan and i have just been really stuck i'm just trying
11:57to keep my head above water trying not to make any drastic moves right now while we figure it out
12:02but it is getting exhausting and i genuinely don't know what the right decision is how you talk to
12:07dakota lately yeah i went over to his and saw his new house did you help him like decorate or
12:12anything
12:13uh no it's pretty much a bachelor's path i mean he did tell me he's seeing somebody really
12:19he told me that it's someone that we know but we don't but he won't tell me who it is
12:23huh so this girl you're seeing exclusively i've been playing a little bit with fire
12:28is she in taylor's circle well this is a new yeah yeah he's like he won't tell you who it
12:35is he's
12:35being weird about it and it's someone we know is he serious yeah dakota's single and he can do
12:40whatever he wants but what worries me is taylor's mindset when she hears about him doing things
12:45because we all saw what happened when she heard about the dad talk trip to england i just want to
12:50know if you like enjoyed it taylor so i'm freaking so sad he just says okay did he think that
12:58whoever it is would cause a problem with taylor i said on a scale of one to ten like how
13:04bad is it
13:05and he said a nine are you kidding yeah maybe it's miranda it's not shut up it's not miranda i
13:15don't
13:15know but it's shania that was my first reaction was like is it shania and then he said no shania
13:22and taylor are incredibly close but they are close enough for shania to know that dakota's off limits
13:27we were all just hanging out with shania at pickleball shania confided in taylor about the
13:31guy she was seeing and taylor consoled her and hugged her and was giving her advice update me what's the
13:36he got back with his wife they moved back in together he found god i really hope it's not shania
13:44it would rattle so many friendships within mom talk do you have any other clues i mean i the other
13:50day we were going to the gym and i was seeing where he was because we're supposed to meet there
13:53and i saw that he was at this apartment complex and you have his location yeah we all have each
13:57other's location what do you mean all like me and all my friends have each other's locations that is
14:01i don't have anything to hide so i saw that he was coming from this apartment complex in lehigh and
14:06he was like oh it's just you know just this girl shania lives in lehigh i'm pretty sure
14:12and if it's someone in the friend group that's miranda's best friend and she's been around taylor
14:16a lot and she comments on taylor's stuff and taylor comments on her stuff i just don't know who else
14:20it would be i'm starting to feel like the girl dakota's seeing could very well be shania i didn't think
14:27dakota would do something like this to piss taylor off but i'm also not surprised because
14:31everyone dakota chooses is someone that would piss taylor off how dumb is he like why does he keep
14:37doing shit like this
14:46all the love go out i'm the new girl that you're talking about
14:51i don't care for clout and i'm what your man still dreams about
15:06i'm meeting with the agency for today to talk about my potential of signing with them this is
15:11a very cutthroat industry to be a part of modeling agencies are looking at you up and down and judging
15:15you if you're good enough for them or not and it's very hard but it's something i really want for
15:20myself
15:20super badly and being signed with one of the biggest agencies in the world would just be such
15:24an honor hello layla hi how are you nice to meet you i'm brett hi nice to meet you as
15:31well hi nice
15:32to meet you guys welcome to ford thank you for meeting with me absolutely absolutely do you want
15:36to come on in yeah of course so welcome to ford yeah so i'm from la i'm in the ford
15:41la team i'm the
15:42director over there i'm brett so i'm work here on the women's board here at ford i've been here for
15:46like 10 years now amazing yeah it's almost a decade tell us a little bit about you i'm a mom
15:51of two little boys they're four and three they're like my whole world um in terms of like modeling
15:57and those type of things i've been freelance modeling for probably like five ish years now
16:02just like things here and there smaller boutiques here in utah but i've always had like a love for
16:06modeling ever since i was little i've always had like a dream of like being on a runway but i
16:10feel
16:10like i'm in the place right now that like i've done a lot of things booking things on my own
16:14and
16:14getting things started for myself but now i just feel like i need like guidance in this world it's
16:18just such a big world to navigate how was your book do you have like good images i have some
16:23good
16:23digitals that i have gotten yeah i haven't put together like an official book yet but i have a
16:27couple sets of digitals so that would be another thing that we would want to do we'd have to test
16:30you work with different photographers and put together a book that then we would show clients
16:34is me coming out once a month to new york like a good amount or do you think i would
16:39need to
16:39i'll be honest with you we really would need a commitment from you of three or four months
16:44here on the ground where you're able to run to test shoots go on castings really get your foot in
16:49the door but it just takes a little bit of time to break into it and i feel like if
16:54you just come
16:54here once a month it's you're gonna go back and you're just gonna kind of reverse everything that
16:59you just have to start over during that i would have to move to new york for three months to
17:03complete my portfolio i would love to actually see your walk if you don't mind i don't know how i
17:07would do it
17:08with my boys and my relationship with mason but i'm also kind of like excited at the thought of it
17:12i think it'd be worth it in the end moving forward uh we're gonna get together with the other agents
17:16and then figure out you know if we see you as a good fit for ford um and then we'll
17:21be in touch
17:22well it was so great meeting you thank you so much for coming in so much signing with ford would
17:27be
17:27life-changing for me with my modeling career i feel good about this and i don't know just fingers
17:32crossed that this goes a good way after all right thank you so much for coming in
17:45thank you look like a real man honey i think it's perfect i'm coming for whitney's job on the farm
17:50on the farm oh look cute dude you look cool you look hella straight with that off hella straight
17:58great
18:01today is the first day of the red west festival which is a country concert in utah jacob helped
18:06with the marketing so he got us all these tickets put a vip pass and i yelled at him for
18:11it i'm like
18:12huh but taylor is in colorado right now i'm really looking forward to listening to some music having some
18:18fun without any drama hey you guys look at dakota nice to meet you i'm dakota nice to meet you
18:24nice
18:24to meet you on the way over jordan was like yeah dakota has like a roster of girls jordan said
18:28there's
18:29one in particular that like i think would pause an issue and i was like what do you mean he's
18:33like
18:33i can't say yeah let's ask him ask jordan not dakota why not ask dakota because i don't want jordan
18:39to
18:39get mad jordan hasn't told me who this mystery person that dakota is talking to is and i feel like
18:44he's trying to protect dakota so for the sake of my marriage i shouldn't be saying anything
18:49but this is something that really could shake up taylor and how do i just keep this a secret so
18:53i said that there was like girls who's the girl that i talked to so who's the girl that who's
18:59like
19:05dakota's finally told me who he's been seeing and after the aftermath of the villa we can't tell you
19:10shit because you will tell her one person that she does every time i'm keeping my hands out of this
19:16and keeping my mouth shut so who's the girl that's gonna cause issues issues but taylor they're trying
19:22to figure out who another girl is dakota hooked up with or is dating or something so it must be
19:27someone
19:27consequential then are you lying no i mean like there is we don't care i have to be clear i
19:34don't know if
19:34dakota is trying to play coy keeping the secret or if he's genuinely just terrified of us as he should
19:39be
19:40but clearly he's hiding something it's not like us to let that just slip under the radar it's time to
19:46go full fbi on this bitch full fbi so we're 100 going to get to the bottom of it you
19:53guys know how
19:53jordan is jordan be saying look at him look at him right now he's over there probably gossiping right
19:58now about something about what about shania i feel like i have reason to believe it's shania i just
20:06don't know who else it would be i feel like as i start talking to dakota i'm just going to
20:10pretend
20:10i know and call him out and see what happens i know it's going to come out so i just
20:21i don't
20:21want to be the one i don't want to be the one i'll just say how i feel like honestly
20:24it's been like
20:25kind of cool actually so i'm kind of just like riding with it i don't want to say no to
20:30be fair
20:30it actually happened very like it doesn't matter how it happened this is a safe environment it is not
20:38i'm not
20:40jesse you're gonna tell us jessie's just saying
20:43can i say something no
20:46shania
20:53i knew it i knew it
21:14Yes, I've been seeing Shania.
21:18Yeah.
21:18Dakota confirms that I was right, so I knew.
21:21Right when I think Dakota couldn't get any dumber,
21:23he gets dumber.
21:26I do think Dakota is doing this just to get back at Taylor
21:29and to make her jealous and have her come running back to him.
21:32She's Miranda's best friend.
21:34Miranda knows.
21:35Wow, that makes it so much better.
21:37I'm more pissed at her because she's friends with Taylor.
21:39No, she's not.
21:40Yes, she is.
21:41Shania is not friends with Taylor.
21:43She is a stagecoach.
21:44Yeah, she came out with her and Dakota liked it.
21:46That's what you said.
21:51I just didn't want this to come out before Taylor.
21:54Yeah, I agree.
21:55Taylor could fly off the handle over this, and I think she would.
21:58Yeah, and I see why I was scared.
22:01Am I scared for Taylor to find out?
22:03Of course.
22:05I'm afraid of Taylor finding out anything.
22:07It doesn't matter what it is.
22:08If I'm trying to talk to her, I'm scared of Taylor finding that out.
22:11I just think you're not doing anything wrong.
22:13You're single.
22:13Well, there is something else that comes out down the road.
22:16What does that mean?
22:17Dakota's in trouble.
22:18He just said, if anything else comes out.
22:20That just was dumb.
22:20I think I was just liking it kind of stupid.
22:22What else did you do?
22:24Do you want my help or not?
22:25Do you need help?
22:26Hey, that's not even what happened.
22:27No, no, I can't tell you that.
22:29I need to assess the situation.
22:31Taylor still reacts poorly to things that Dakota does,
22:34so I feel like his dating life is none of our business,
22:37but we just don't want Taylor crashing out
22:39and ruining her opportunity to go on Bachelorette
22:41and hopefully find a guy who actually makes her happy
22:43and live a happy life.
22:46Now I'm nervous.
22:47What is it?
22:47I have two years and four months.
22:49I mean, it's over.
22:51I don't want to be friends.
22:54I'd rather be enemies.
22:58I'll push you in the deep end.
23:01Make you weak, bring you to your knees.
23:06Oh, my gosh, this is so weird.
23:10Oh, this is just so wild.
23:12It's been, what, 12, 15 years for me?
23:14That's nuts.
23:15Where do you want to go?
23:17Where other places do you want to visit?
23:19Should we go where I met Brian for the first time?
23:22Yeah, we can.
23:23I kind of just want to see if anything will pop up in my head.
23:26I did initially meet my biological father
23:28once when I was four at this restaurant.
23:30You know, that was the one time I had met him.
23:32I don't really know necessarily what I'm looking for here,
23:34but I think it's just, let's just go and see, you know, what happens.
23:42Oh, wow.
23:45Like, it just looks so different.
23:47Yeah.
23:48I guess it's not the same blue building I thought it was going to be.
23:52It even looks different from the outside.
23:54It does, yeah.
23:56Yeah.
23:57So weird, huh?
23:59Yeah.
24:00Does that bring back any memories for you or no?
24:02What?
24:03That?
24:03This place?
24:04Did you know you were going to see him?
24:05No.
24:06So you didn't know he worked here?
24:07Oh, my gosh.
24:08So when you saw him, what did you say to him?
24:10I asked him if he wanted to meet you, and he said, yeah.
24:14So that's why I called you over.
24:15I remember like, hi, what's up?
24:17Yeah, that was pretty much it.
24:18That's probably like a huge thing to meet your kid that you haven't really talked to.
24:23Was that weird for you?
24:25Yeah, it was different.
24:26What did you think that day?
24:28I don't know.
24:29Going back to the place that Taylor first met Brian, I see him meeting her.
24:36I have this beautiful little four-year-old I want to introduce, and I would want him to feel the
24:42same feelings that I have for this person, but he never did.
24:47You don't like to talk about him?
24:49I just, yeah, I don't.
24:50I don't, I don't know.
24:51I don't know.
24:52Do you like kind of get embarrassed?
24:54No.
24:58I just, I don't know.
25:00It's just a long time ago.
25:02It wasn't a good part of my life.
25:04It's not something like, that I like to talk about.
25:07Taylor keeps asking questions about Brian, and I feel a little bit uneasy.
25:15I don't want her to hurt anymore.
25:17I guess I kept things from her because I want to protect her.
25:20But I'm curious about it.
25:21Like, I don't know.
25:24I know, but maybe I'm not ready for that.
25:26I would hope that you would respect that.
25:32Yeah, like just respect whenever you're ready to talk about it, or if you ever will be.
25:35I know, I might not ever be.
25:37The fact that he's like kicked you in front of people is very...
25:40I've gotten pulled.
25:41Yeah, there's just a lot of stuff.
25:43Concern.
25:44I just don't want to talk about it.
25:47I think I need to take a walk.
25:50It is frustrating to have my mom say she might not ever be able to open up to me.
25:55But I do think it's healthy to do it.
25:58And so that's why I'm encouraging her to.
25:59Because I just want her to feel hurt as well.
26:01That's all.
26:29Hello.
26:30Hello.
26:32How are you?
26:33I'm so good.
26:34How are you?
26:35Good.
26:35How's Dancing with the Stars?
26:37I'm not going to lie.
26:37I think this has been one of the hardest things we've ever done.
26:41I mean...
26:41Really?
26:42Yeah.
26:43I mean, think about it.
26:44Having to, you know, do late night feedings, breastfeeding, while I'm gone dancing five to
26:50eight hours a day.
26:52Dancing with the Stars has been one of the greatest experiences for me.
26:55It's also been one of the hardest.
26:56Oh my gosh, I'm having a mental breakdown.
26:59You know, there's been a lot of times where I have felt inadequate.
27:02Hey!
27:04Hey!
27:05Hey!
27:05All right, 32 out of 40 for Jen and Jan.
27:09Ten!
27:10First tens of the season.
27:12How are you feeling, Wendy?
27:13I'm out of roof.
27:13I don't know what to say.
27:15And I do have to remember that I just had a baby.
27:19But I can't help but, you know, be hard on myself when this is everything to me.
27:24How do you feel like yours and Whitney's relationship has been doing Dancing with the Stars together?
27:29You know what?
27:30It's been cordial.
27:32I think the thing that I'm struggling with the most is, you know, how, like, things were
27:37left at the reunion.
27:41Yeah.
27:41I do feel like Whitney's still in Denise's corner.
27:44She continues to call me a liar when she hasn't taken accountability.
27:48I think you both played a role in where you are today.
27:51I was defending myself.
27:53I never went out of my way intentionally to hurt her.
27:56It just feels like we're kind of putting on a fake front for the sake of not having drama
28:04and trying to focus on our journey.
28:07So Jen tells me that there's a little bit of tension between her and Whitney.
28:11MomTalk is at a good place right now, and I don't want it to affect the state of MomTalk.
28:15I just hope that they can sit down, have a conversation, and work out whatever issues they're having,
28:20just like Whitney and I did.
28:21I miss you, and honestly, I'm excited to reunite once all of this craziness is...
28:28I know.
28:29We need a good conversation.
28:30Okay, well, I love you.
28:31Okay, I love you.
28:38You hungry?
28:40Starving, yeah.
28:40I mean, can I get a glass of Pinot Grigio?
28:42Of course, yeah.
28:43Yeah, you got it.
28:46Okay, tell me about the forward interview.
28:48I feel like the meeting overall went good.
28:49They had me take some digitals, and they filmed me doing my walk and stuff.
28:52If they were to side me, I would have to be here for, like, three months to, like, get things
28:58started.
28:58Taking digitals every day, doing shoots every day.
29:01I feel like I could make it work, but it's still kind of scary.
29:04Just because what if I have, like, something important?
29:08And then also still, like, mom talk at the end of the day.
29:10Like, I still love all those girls, and I want to be able to show up for them and all
29:13the things that they have going on.
29:14I feel like that would be kind of, like, hard on our relationship, too.
29:17So it's definitely something I need to, like, think about long term.
29:20But New York is, like, my dream.
29:23I want to do high fashion.
29:24I want to do, like, the bigger names and things like that.
29:27So I don't want to get my hopes up.
29:29Definitely, there's a lot of anxiety around it.
29:31A few months away.
29:32That's a long time.
29:34Would you, like, come and visit me as much as you could?
29:38New York?
29:38Yeah.
29:39Oh, yeah.
29:41Oh, yeah.
29:42Or would you have to, like, stay behind to, like, be a stepdaddy?
29:46I'm just kidding.
29:48No, your kids are cute as fuck.
29:50I would for sure watch them.
29:52I don't know if I'm ready for that.
29:54Like, all jokes aside, I don't know.
29:56I think the thought of having to move away for three months when I'm just at the start of my
30:00relationship with Mason is really hard.
30:01And I feel like right now we're in the state that we're still trying to get to know each other
30:05and kind of in the honeymoon phase.
30:06However, I definitely think I would need Mason's support to make this work.
30:10And this makes me feel like I need to talk to him about him and the kids' relationship.
30:14Like, when my boys get crazy, sometimes I feel like your patience is, like, smaller.
30:19Yeah.
30:20I try not to overstep my bounds because, like, I know they're not mine.
30:24They're yours.
30:24Like, I love being around them.
30:25Yeah.
30:25I don't want to, like, I don't want to, like, be the one that's, like, cracking the whip either because
30:29you're not comfortable with it because I'm, like, they're not mine.
30:32It's your call.
30:32No, frankly, if you were to discipline them, I would tell you no.
30:35I just feel like sometimes around you they just get away with, like, murder.
30:39I see them, like, not disrespecting you, but, like, they throw shit at you sometimes.
30:42And I'm, like, hey.
30:43Four years old.
30:44They're four years old.
30:45I know, but, like, I also, you'll say, don't do that.
30:48And they're, like, hit you.
30:49And I'm just, like, hey, we don't hit mom.
30:51And I just want to, like, voice that from a place that comes with a little bit of, like, I'm
30:54a little protective of you.
30:56Yeah.
30:56Like, I've seen it.
30:57I'm not saying they're, like, bad at all.
30:58They're kids.
31:00I think Mason is completely overstepping right now with what he's saying.
31:03You're not a parent.
31:04You're an uncle.
31:05And you get to say bye when the kids start being annoying.
31:07So when you actually are a parent and you have to do it full time, 24-7, then you can
31:11talk on it.
31:12I'm their mom.
31:13I don't want you to be their.
31:14I know, I know.
31:15Your dad, your dad, anything.
31:16Like, that's not something that I would want you to even take on until we were far, far, far, far
31:22down the line.
31:35I'm never going to be the parent that, like, screams at my kids and, like.
31:38I'm not saying screaming's the answer.
31:40Yeah.
31:40I'm just saying sometimes it's, like, you ask them to do things.
31:43Yeah.
31:43And they're always going to say no if you ask them to go to bed.
31:46You feel like I don't discipline them that well.
31:48I think already I carry a lot of guilt around the fact that, like, I couldn't.
31:52Why am I, like, emotional?
31:54Like, I couldn't keep my family together for them.
31:57And, like, I don't know.
32:00I feel like coming from, like, a broken household, like, I thought that I would give my kids the opposite
32:03one day.
32:04So I feel like I'm, like, almost trying to, like, make up for the fact that, like, I couldn't give
32:09them what, like, they deserve.
32:10I just carry a lot of guilt.
32:11So I feel like I just need to, like, give them the best life that I can.
32:15I think growing up in a broken household with parents that don't coexist very well and fight all the time
32:21and can't be in the same room without bickering and glaring at each other.
32:24I know the impact that that can have on you as a little kid and now kind of having a
32:29co-parenting relationship with my ex where we don't really get along that well.
32:33I'm very, very, very particular about who I bring around my kids and the negative energy that they possibly could
32:38bring into our family unit.
32:40I don't even know that's how you, like, looked at it.
32:43Like, I never thought about the guilt you have for them.
32:47It's not obviously your fault, and you know that.
32:50Why am I not getting emotional?
32:52They're just, like, little innocent babies.
32:53Like, they just want to be, like, loved and, like, and I don't want my kids.
32:57I don't want to feel like my kids are a fucking burden, and I feel like that's what sometimes it,
33:00like, feels like sometimes.
33:02I just will, like, look at you sometimes, and you just seem, like, so pissed off.
33:05I'm, like, they're three fucking years old.
33:08Like, they're babies, you know?
33:10So.
33:11Okay, well, I'm sorry.
33:11I don't mean to be.
33:12It's a new scene for me.
33:14I'm learning, like, how I am with kids, too, that are that age.
33:16So I'm sorry to make you feel like they're a burden because they're not.
33:19Do you want to be around your kids?
33:20It's so fun.
33:22Yeah.
33:23So you're such a good mom.
33:25It's okay.
33:26You're crying.
33:27It's like, I don't think about it like that.
33:29I appreciate you telling me this.
33:30I had no idea I was giving off those vibes in the first place.
33:34Thanks for being understanding.
33:39Yeah.
33:40Understanding where I'm coming from.
33:41Me and my relationship with men is definitely very hard.
33:46I grew up around verbal abuse, so it's really hard and challenging for me to let down my barriers.
33:51I'm just really lucky to be able to have Mason's support as I continue to pursue my dreams.
33:55Just having someone in your corner that's rooting for you and cheering you on is just a really nice feeling,
34:00and I'm just super grateful for him.
34:07It's the wine, it's making me emotional.
34:11It is.
34:12It's definitely not by me tonight.
34:14It's the wine.
34:16It's not your favorite.
34:35I know, right?
34:36It's Dakota.
34:38What the fuck?
34:39It's like, who let you out of your cage?
34:42Dakota and I are back today for day two of the Red West Music Festival.
34:45The reason that we're here solo is the girls are at a photo shoot today, and we're unable to make
34:50it.
34:51So is Shania coming today or what?
34:54Yeah.
34:54Are you at all worried about it?
34:56Am I worried about it?
34:57Yeah, bro, I'm worried about it.
34:59Are you kidding me?
35:00Why do you think I've been freaking out?
35:01Oh.
35:03Hey, where's the VIP at?
35:05Shania is coming today, and all of MomTalk knows now as well.
35:08So I feel like I just need to have a conversation with her and maybe try to figure that out.
35:18Howdy, everyone.
35:20Hi.
35:20Oh, my gosh.
35:21Hi.
35:22She just got to.
35:23How are you?
35:24Are you sick?
35:26How did you know?
35:27I don't know.
35:28I'm not feeling my best.
35:29Both of my kids are sick.
35:31Oh, really?
35:31I came down with it, but I could be feeling worse.
35:34Right.
35:34I am attending Red West with two of my closest friends, Latia and Shania.
35:40I am sick as a dog.
35:42The weather is horrible.
35:43We decided to go to the VIP lounge and just kind of hang out.
35:47Turns out the storm followed us inside.
35:51That storm being Dakota.
35:57There's a shelter in place.
35:59Oh, out here?
36:00Yeah.
36:01For the concerts?
36:01I mean, I guess it's like a storm or something.
36:08Dude, that's crazy.
36:13So now that everyone knows, I was like, what are your thoughts on the whole fucking Shania?
36:17I think it's bullshit.
36:18You think it's bullshit?
36:20I told her, this is a horrible idea.
36:23Yeah.
36:23Taylor, like, is going to go be the Bachelorette.
36:25And, like, clearly they're still toxic.
36:27It just feels very calculated.
36:29It feels like you're intentionally picking someone that's in the group to, like, keep, like, this, like...
36:35Conpetuate, like...
36:36Yes.
36:36He wanted people to know.
36:38That's what I'm saying.
36:39Yeah, yeah.
36:39He wants Taylor to know, to piss her off because she's about to go be the Bachelorette.
36:43And it's calculated.
36:44And it's gross.
36:46He is an addict through and through.
36:47And you know who else is an addict?
36:48Taylor.
36:49Taylor is an addict to chaos and an addict to Dakota.
36:52Period.
36:53It's so unfortunate.
36:56Well, cheers.
36:58After I found out about Shania and Dakota, I made it very clear this will end badly.
37:03I thought that they would make it a one-time thing and it would be done.
37:09Obviously, that didn't happen.
37:11I'm very much a person where I can just, like, be in the moment with things.
37:15And, like, I feel like that's kind of what was happening.
37:17I was just like, I'm just going to, like, let this ride and see.
37:20So, Dakota, when were you guys going to tell me about your little escapades?
37:26What?
37:29I've heard brief talks.
37:32I mean, I probably was never going to tell you, but I was hoping she would tell you.
37:37I just wish if you were going to do this, you would have done a hell of a lot of
37:39a better job at hiding it.
37:42Truthfully.
37:43I mean, we tried not to, like, I wasn't trying to, like, freaking be out in public, like, with Shania
37:48somewhere.
37:49But you're telling him that you're seeing someone that's in proximity to Taylor?
37:52Whoa.
37:52You know she's going to be detective mode immediately.
37:57I'm praying for both of you.
37:59Anyway, I wish you both the best.
38:01It's been actually so nice knowing you.
38:03Fuck.
38:03I will, I will write your eulogy.
38:06Hey, hold on.
38:06Nah, I think you guys should do what you guys want to do as two consenting adults.
38:10I really feel like you should just realize, like, that there may be repercussions.
38:14That's all.
38:16It's going to be okay.
38:17We might be a little bumpy.
38:19I have to pee.
38:26Dakota wanted this to come out immediately.
38:29You can't convince me otherwise.
38:30He, like, tries to make it sound like, oh, it has to be so hot.
38:33No, absolutely not.
38:36Absolutely not.
38:37It's all manipulation.
38:38It's all a ploy.
38:39It's all a game.
38:39It feels so wrong what I'm doing, of course.
38:42But, like, it's working.
38:45Oh, she's too like him.
38:47Of course you like him because he's been love-bombing the shit out of you.
38:50I love if he's love-bombing the shit out of me, though.
38:52Love-bombing is gross, though, if you don't like the guy.
38:55That's what I see.
38:56Hey, guess what?
38:56Every guy does that, though.
38:57Guess what?
38:58It's still gross if you like him.
38:59Yeah, Miranda was pretty hot and heavy about it.
39:01And I...
39:02Yeah, bro, she was way hot and heavy about it.
39:04Dakota wanted everyone to know about this.
39:07He doesn't care about you like that.
39:09He's not looking out for your best interest.
39:11You need to do that.
39:12Does he maybe have, like, a little bit of an interest in you?
39:14For sure.
39:15But the thing is, is, like, he does not know you.
39:17I know you could do a hell of a lot better than you do.
39:22Okay?
39:23You're so right.
39:23Actually, you're so right.
39:24Like, chill out.
39:25Miranda, you know exactly how fucking Taylor is.
39:27You've seen it literally happen a million times.
39:30I am always somehow the one that is always in wrong.
39:33Taylor thought she would get to see Dakota's potential.
39:36Guess what?
39:36He had a baby with her.
39:38And look at him.
39:39He never looked up to it.
39:40He can prove everyone wrong if he wants to.
39:42That's up to him.
39:43That's not your problem.
39:44I have a great idea.
39:45Let's wrap that up and move on.
39:49Being friends with Taylor, you know, being longstanding friends with Shania, it puts me
39:55in the middle.
39:56And obviously she knew everything that went on in the past between Taylor and I and that
40:01a man getting between our friendship, like, that's a sensitive thing for the both of us.
40:07And subjecting us both to that is just disappointing.
40:13Can we talk, please?
40:14Yeah.
40:14Are you okay?
40:15I don't know.
40:17I just genuinely, I just want to make this very clear to you.
40:21I have been enjoying hanging out with you, and I mean that.
40:26I just feel like Taylor kind of still can get to me.
40:30It's just so intense.
40:32Like, I just wish I didn't have to always deal with that.
40:34I just, why would you bring me into this show?
40:37That's so cool.
40:40I don't know if he should be dating yet.
40:42I, I, I want to.
40:44Like, I, I think my issue is, is I am just in a shitty position in general.
40:49Like, I want to, like, move on.
40:51I want to try to move forward with everything, okay?
40:54Like, I want to make that very clear.
40:55Because I don't want, you know, like, Miranda or anybody to, like, convince you otherwise.
41:00Everyone.
41:01That's what everyone's saying.
41:02I know.
41:02I mean, I'm, look, I'm so sorry.
41:04I really am.
41:05I'm so sorry.
41:07What do you want to do now?
41:10No, it's a clear bubble.
41:13Yeah, same.
41:23My mom is taking a walk to clear her head, and she hasn't been answering her phone,
41:28so I drive towards our childhood home to see if that's where she was,
41:32because I had a feeling that she would, you know, gravitate towards that.
41:39Found you.
41:40You doing okay?
41:41Yeah.
41:43What, are you trying to go back to your old house?
41:46Yeah, I want to go by there.
41:48Yeah?
41:48Yeah.
41:49Okay.
41:49We can go over there.
41:50I actually want to go see it, too.
41:54Are you okay?
41:55Yeah.
41:56It's just hard.
41:57Yeah?
41:58I know.
41:58I'm sorry.
42:00This just brings back so many memories.
42:02It's wild.
42:03Oh.
42:04Oh, my gosh.
42:06That's crazy.
42:06Oh, look at these trees your dad planted.
42:08They're huge.
42:10Oh, my gosh.
42:10This is so weird.
42:12Oh, my God.
42:12It's not.
42:15Do you know who lives here?
42:16I don't remember their names.
42:18I don't know if it's the same people that I sold it to.
42:20We're about to find out.
42:22They took out the trees right here, too.
42:24You should say, what are the Mormon missionaries?
42:25Can we have five minutes of your time?
42:26Okay.
42:27This is probably where I'm probably going to be so creeped out.
42:29Oh, my gosh.
42:30Yeah, this is so weird.
42:32Ladies.
42:32Hi.
42:33Hi.
42:33Yes.
42:34Okay.
42:35So, this used to be our old house I grew up in until I was 15, 16.
42:39Yes.
42:39I'm Leanne.
42:40I don't know if you were.
42:41We're at Muldoon.
42:42I thought we met by.
42:43Yes.
42:44Because was it like 15 years ago?
42:4616.
42:4616.
42:47Has it been that long?
42:47Oh, it's wild.
42:48Can we do a locker room in the house?
42:49Like outside?
42:50Okay.
42:51Okay.
42:51Thank you so much.
42:52I appreciate you.
42:54Cute.
42:55This is so crazy.
42:57Is it so sad for you?
42:59Sentimental, huh?
43:01Your dad just like planted every tree in here.
43:04Remember you used to take pictures on this like rock?
43:06This rock.
43:07And dad would put helmets on us and he would be like, okay, ready?
43:10And he'd throw balls at our heads.
43:12Yeah.
43:12I had my last party here and I got in so much trouble because I went over here in the
43:16trees
43:17and was kissing and dad saw through the window.
43:21Good memories.
43:22Bad memories to good memories.
43:24I guess you're right.
43:25Bad memories to good memories, huh?
43:27I think we came here more for trying to get answers.
43:30Do I have siblings out there?
43:31What is out there?
43:31I don't know.
43:33But at the end of the day, I feel like I have you and I have my dad, Jeremy, that's
43:37been
43:37here since day one.
43:39And I've never called him anything other than dad because he is my dad.
43:43You know, he raised me.
43:45I'm just grateful that Jeremy stepped in the role of being my dad and I couldn't have gotten
43:50a better father.
43:51You've been through a lot, a lot of trauma.
43:53And I don't want to bring it up again because I know it's hard to hear, but like all the
43:56abuse, I don't know the extent of that.
43:58And that is horrible to hear.
44:00And especially when he said that to you, like, you know, I got sick for you and I feel really
44:04bad.
44:05And that's, um, that's on me for not like, you know, considering your feelings on that.
44:09So you share whatever you want, continuing moving forward.
44:12I'm not going to pry anymore.
44:13Well, I owe you that.
44:15Like, I understand where your, your curiosity and where you want, you want to know, you know,
44:20who your biological dad is.
44:21Like anybody would want to know that, right?
44:24It's just, you know, I would have loved to have, have had that like family, but it just
44:29wasn't going to happen.
44:30Like I always just looked out for your best interest.
44:33I always wanted you to be happy.
44:38I just, I chose not to go with him because of you.
44:43We just would have went down the wrong road, all three of us, and it just wouldn't have
44:47been healthy.
44:48You made the right decision.
44:49I did.
44:50I think this trip overall helped my mother and I in our relationship.
44:53Definitely gives me some insight on different patterns I would like to break in my family.
44:59There's parallels with Dakota, the toxicity in the relationship, the recovering, being a recovering
45:04addict and mom, you know, finding her happy relationship, her healthy relationship in my
45:08dad, Jeremy.
45:09It's something I long for.
45:10I want to find.
45:11So I think, you know, moving forward with the bachelorette is like something I want to
45:15aim towards.
45:16I appreciate you even coming out here with me.
45:17I know it's been a lot.
45:20All right.
45:20I'm sorry for you.
45:21And I'm sorry for yelling at you the way I did all the way up here.
45:24I just, there's a lot of anger in me too.
45:26I know there's a lot of anger and you don't deserve that because I think you're an amazing
45:30mom.
45:31I think you're an amazing mom.
45:32It means a lot to be here and to feel Taylor's love.
45:37That makes me so happy that her dad is enough and so am I, but I want her to feel
45:43like she's
45:44enough.
45:44No matter how Brian felt, like she just deserves better.
45:50This is your story and your life.
45:52I know it brings up a lot.
45:53What's your story?
45:53I'm a part of it, but it's yours.
45:55We're a part of each other.
45:57That's true.
45:58I love you.
45:59I love you too.
46:01A lot.
46:03Thank you so much.
46:07I'm the best grumler.
46:32Hello.
46:33Hi.
46:34How are you?
46:35Good.
46:35How are you?
46:36Good.
46:36just trying to get all this food ready oh yeah that's good i know thank you i just got back
46:42from
46:42new york and jesse invited us all over to her house to have a little mom talk meeting and discuss
46:47the pleasant news of dakota and shania and how we're going to navigate that for taylor and
46:53letting her know she leaves the bachelorette in the week and i would just hate to set her back
46:56when she's done all of this positive work to be in a better headspace hello hello is that the
47:03jacket shania borrowed at stagecoach how ironic yeah no literally i know i like was good looking
47:07through my coats last night and i was like wait why do i have this that's hilarious do you guys
47:12want to take your shoes off and there's toys upstairs i'm gonna sit because this might be a long one
47:16hi hello taylor is in colorado with her mom so she's kind of blissfully unaware of like what's
47:22going on i'm wondering do we tell taylor right away when she gets back do we wait it's really
47:26tricky with taylor because you tell her she's gonna crash out but if you don't tell her she's gonna
47:31probably crash out later we want what's best for her and we don't want her sabotaging bachelorette
47:35because that is our priority is to get her on that show so she can move on with her life
47:39oh i just want to eat you i know she's so cute i feel like we always have meetings here
47:43it's like
47:44place i know i know so i called you guys here because i feel like we all found out about
47:48this
47:48jenny's stuff at separate times and i thought coming together to make sure we come up with a plan
47:52about taylor because i feel like if one of us tells her it's gonna blow up taylor is gonna be
47:56representing mom talk to a whole nother audience with the bachelorette viewers and it could have
48:02consequences for not only her but also mom talk i'm like don't don't mess it up for us taylor i
48:08am
48:08worried about dakota telling her yeah i've been curious when did you find out i only knew about
48:14the first night they hung out and like that i actually think they're both in the wrong i don't
48:17think this is all dakota i think she also should have known better it affects because now i'm put in
48:21a bad position and i'm like that's what pisses me off is you knew that this was gonna put me
48:26in a
48:26shitty position i know i will be put in the middle once taylor finds out and that is why part
48:33of me
48:33is screaming you need to tell her but the other part of me feels like i'm giving dakota exactly what
48:39he wants if i tell her what was her reasoning for that like i'm just curious because like she knows
48:44how i just think the stuff that he says to these women oh he makes them feel like they are
48:48the most
48:48special person on the planet all day the guy like that it's love bombing it's like he did it to
48:53taylor
48:53and taylor's still in it four years later i know so i'm like what dakota told jordan is that him
48:58and
48:59shania had made an agreement to only exclusively sleep with each other oh he no she told me that
49:03that night that first night he goes so what if we made like a sex pact and the next day
49:08she told me
49:09about it she was like i don't this feels really weird and i'm like shania that is like psychopathic
49:14that is he like wants everything wants his cake he wants to eat it too like he needs to have
49:18like
49:19lock them down like you only get me and then he's gonna go like screw everyone else okay i'm fine
49:23keeping this from taylor but if she straight up asks me how do i lie to her face but also
49:27it kind of
49:28sucks because she's gonna get pissed at us if she knows every single one of us knows she's going to
49:32be living to her face i think you just say like we we know and we just we're not telling
49:36you because
49:37you spiral and we can't trust what you're gonna do with the information yeah no i can't say that
49:41we're always tiptoeing around her feelings i'm like at the end of the day you have to save yourself
49:45we are all trying to save her and she's it's honestly just making her do worse things
49:53i genuinely can't decide like morally if it's better for taylor not to know her it's better for
49:57her to find out same there's something else he did though and i feel like if he finds she finds
50:02out
50:03about shania it's gonna spiral into the other thing and i'm if she finds out the other thing she
50:06genuinely woke up what is it he hooked up with jenna and like basically almost had sex with her
50:13like a couple weeks ago jenna was the girl that dakota was hooking up with back in the beginning
50:19of taylor and dakota's relationship he lied about whatever situation ship he had with her jenna
50:25is such a huge trigger for taylor it's a complete slap in the face he was like texting me all
50:31day this
50:32day he came over to your house and he's saying thank you for letting me crash at your house and
50:35he came
50:35over that night to my house and spent the night and fucked me so yeah
50:42oh my god this is a mess the man continues to stoop lower we thought he went to hell but
50:48hell has a
50:48basement shut the hell up
50:57if this comes out it's all gonna spiral taylor's still in colorado she's literally about to go be
51:02the bachelorette why do i get this opportunity out of all the girls that want this just because
51:07you come with some baggage some i'm sorry what do you want man i want to feel loved by my
51:14wife
51:14again what would you do then like just separate maybe we don't get back together until we can commit
51:20to our relationship i'm not trying to hurt you you're not vindictive but i do think you're selfish
51:24i'm sure what will happen i'll probably lose millions do you feel like your relationship with the
51:27whitney's improved i don't think you care about me jen i was the one that vouched for you
51:32every
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