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A true‑crime documentary investigating the secretive Epstein Files, exposing how power, politics and silence enabled Epstein's crimes, while survivors and experts seek answers about his network and death.
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00:00:11Before we get into the deep stuff, let's just talk, let's give some basics.
00:00:15Remember, when you're answering these questions, I'm not in the shot, and they're never going to
00:00:20hear my voice. Oh, okay. Okay. The first word that I would use to describe Jeffrey Epstein,
00:00:26anything other than a predator, is mysterious. How did he become so wealthy? How did he ingratiate
00:00:34himself into the exact right social circles? How did he get away without being caught for so long?
00:00:50I never could have anticipated how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was.
00:00:58There's something deeply fucked up with you. At least something. We know there are things
00:01:03deeply fucked up with us. You will get through in this film, right?
00:01:06Where I come from, you don't kill my brother and look away from that.
00:01:12What are the Epstein files?
00:01:16The Epstein files are all the information that the government has regarding Jeffrey Epstein and
00:01:22his co-conspirators. Photographic evidence. Interviews of victims. Emails written to him.
00:01:30Text messages. Court documents. FBI reports. And it is much more expansive than you had ever even
00:01:39imagined. People want to see names. They want to know who the sex traffickers are. They want to know
00:01:46who the pedophiles are. And they want vengeance. Do you know the names of powerful people who have
00:01:53not yet been named publicly? Yes. Congressman Conor. Hello, I'm Grace Tobin from Australia.
00:02:02Why do you think it's a fight that has united a very divided political spectrum here?
00:02:07You can't rape underage girls. You can't cover that up. Trump opened up Pandora's box. He thought
00:02:14that he could crack it open slightly and shut it. But the curse is not going back into the box.
00:02:22I don't understand why the president fought it so hard. Releasing the Epstein files is about
00:02:27revealing all of that dirty, nasty, horrible things that happened. Why would he cover this up?
00:02:35I think he's protecting rich and powerful men who participated in sex trafficking.
00:02:41Three million pages. 180,000 images. The latest dump from the Epstein files after weeks of political
00:02:49pressure. That moment created global shockwaves. A day of extreme jeopardy for Sakir Starmer.
00:02:57Norway's crown princess is facing intense scrutiny. Extraordinary news out of the UK. The former
00:03:03Prince Andrew has been arrested. The Epstein files are part of the Epstein story. You have to
00:03:09understand how the Epstein files fit into what Epstein was doing and the failures of the U.S.
00:03:15government and doing their job. The Epstein story has one man at its center. One spider in the center
00:03:23of the web. But that web could not have been constructed without complicity. Do you think you're
00:03:32the devil himself? I know, but I do have a good mirror.
00:03:59We are going to turn now to the debate in Washington over the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
00:04:03Today, a group of survivors of the Epstein controversy will be here on Capitol Hill.
00:04:08Urgent new calls for transparency from Epstein survivors, 24 of whom are now re-upping their
00:04:14demand that Congress release all of the Epstein files. It's an honor to stand here for something
00:04:20America is finally united on. The immediate release of the entire Epstein files.
00:04:29There's approximately 1,200 women that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and they say other men.
00:04:37They've wanted justice, and they fought very hard for it.
00:04:41We are more than victims. We are mothers, daughters, sisters, friends, and we will not be erased.
00:04:48Some of these women have been at this 20 years. Some of them had, I believe, almost given up. But
00:04:57the fact
00:04:57that they were invited to the Capitol of the United States to speak truth to power, and that every media
00:05:05outlet, you know, showed up. They're renewed in their efforts.
00:05:11This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in 1991. This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
00:05:21A lot of us, it was the first time that we had spoken publicly.
00:05:25My name is Dani Benski. This was me at 17 years old.
00:05:30So we were just kind of standing in solidarity with each other and saying to the world, like,
00:05:37there's more of us than you thought.
00:05:40My name is Marina Lacerda. I was Minor Victim One.
00:05:43My name is Jenna Lisa Jones, and I was only 14 years old.
00:05:47My name is Shantae Davies.
00:05:49My name is Laura Bloom McGee.
00:05:51My name is Haley Robson.
00:05:52My name is Anushka DiGiorgio.
00:05:53My name is Courtney Wise.
00:05:54My name is Lisa Phillips.
00:05:56My name is Ashley Rubright, and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein and Elaine Maxwell.
00:06:05When you're a survivor of abuse from a serial predator, you just have this bond with the
00:06:10other survivors.
00:06:13We understand each other like nobody else can.
00:06:21It's been a tremendous mountain to move to get here.
00:06:29It took an incredible outcry from the public, huge political will, and it took the blood, sweat,
00:06:37and tears of the survivors, and that's many, many tears from the survivors to get here.
00:07:04So, we're just heading in to meet with Ashley Rubright, who is a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein,
00:07:11and she's only just started speaking out publicly about what happened to her.
00:07:18We're this house here.
00:07:22Hi, Ashley.
00:07:23How are you?
00:07:23Good.
00:07:24How are you?
00:07:24It's nice to meet you.
00:07:25It's so nice to meet you.
00:07:26Thank you so much for having us.
00:07:28Of course.
00:07:29Oh, it's still very Christmassy in here, isn't it?
00:07:31Yes.
00:07:37When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?
00:07:41So, it was about 2002 to 2003, and I would have been about 15.
00:07:53I was going to Summit Christian School.
00:07:59I was a cheerleader.
00:08:01I was in dance, like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.
00:08:06I was working at a barbecue restaurant, and one of my co-workers, he asked me one day in
00:08:14the restaurant if I would like to give a man a massage for $200.
00:08:21I thought about it for a second and said, sure.
00:08:32I just remember pulling into his house in Palm Beach.
00:08:39And we were led into the kitchen.
00:08:45And then Sarah Kellen came in.
00:08:48His assistant said it was time.
00:08:55And Sarah, she's the one that led me upstairs.
00:09:02I didn't look around, I was just looking down.
00:09:04So, all I remember was the pink carpet on the spiral staircase.
00:09:15And she opened the door and said, all right, I'll be back in an hour.
00:09:23I was shocked when I walked into the bathroom.
00:09:30But then I calmed myself down, thinking, of course he's naked, because that's how people
00:09:37get massages.
00:09:38And I should just not be so shocked.
00:09:46He just kind of laid on the table, and then he told me how to massage him.
00:09:56Then he flipped over, and that's, things got really more, way more inappropriate there.
00:10:10And he asked me to, to take off my bra, and to pull up my skirt.
00:10:26And he was touching himself the whole time.
00:10:30I was just trying not to look.
00:10:33And he, he would grab me, grab my behind, and I was just trying to not be there, you know,
00:10:47at that time.
00:10:48And he finished, and hopped up, and then Sarah came in and led me back downstairs.
00:11:04I felt shocked.
00:11:06And then I remember trying to rationalize it.
00:11:12It had to have just been like a flip, a one-time thing that he just couldn't control.
00:11:22I did go back one more time.
00:11:25The second time, it escalated.
00:11:29I just remember Jeffrey bringing over a basket and asking me to pick one and asking me if
00:11:36I knew how to use it.
00:11:37And he had me sit on the bathroom floor, and he sat on the edge of the massage table.
00:11:45And I remember what happened.
00:11:48A basket of sex toys.
00:11:51Yes.
00:11:51Thank you for saying that.
00:11:52Yeah, that's okay.
00:12:01So this was 2000.
00:12:05These are all just, like, happy messages.
00:12:10I read some of my yearbooks, and it was such a drastic change.
00:12:18Right after Jeffrey, the messages, even my face, everything had started to just look darker.
00:12:29This one says, we had fun when you're not so mad.
00:12:33Or you're sweet when you're not mad, yeah.
00:12:35And I was angry, and I didn't care who got the brunt of it at all.
00:12:45Yeah.
00:12:47I stopped cheerleading.
00:12:50I stopped dance.
00:12:52And I kind of went from, like, trying to do good to just not caring.
00:13:03Did you tell anyone what happened to you?
00:13:07Just my friend, Sean.
00:13:09But nobody else.
00:13:13I didn't think there was a story to tell, really, you know?
00:13:25Mr. Epstein, is it true you were born January 20th, 1953?
00:13:30Yes.
00:13:31Where?
00:13:32New York.
00:13:34Where in New York?
00:13:35Brooklyn.
00:13:49Hey, Adam.
00:13:50Hi, Grace.
00:13:51How are you?
00:13:51Pleasure to meet you.
00:13:52Nice to meet you, too.
00:13:53Thanks so much for doing this with us.
00:13:55My pleasure.
00:13:56My pleasure.
00:14:00Adam, can you tell me a bit about yourself?
00:14:04Well, I've been a legal journalist for close to two decades now, and the Southern District
00:14:10of New York was my longtime beat.
00:14:12So you see a lot of cases of national and international significance going into that court, and one of them
00:14:20just happened to be Epstein's.
00:14:29We are in Coney Island, Coney Island, Brooklyn.
00:14:43We're right near where Jeffrey Epstein grew up.
00:14:49And this is actually the Seagate community in the distance right there, Jeffrey Epstein's childhood home.
00:15:02Jeffrey Epstein had a modest upbringing in an immigrant community in Brooklyn.
00:15:07His father worked at the New York City Parks Department, his mother worked at a school, and he had a
00:15:13younger brother, Mark.
00:15:16He had a lifelong fascination with math, and by all accounts, was pretty good at it.
00:15:26This is the Dalton Prep School.
00:15:30It is where he got his first job.
00:15:35Even though he was a college dropout, his first job was at a very prestigious school where he was a
00:15:42math teacher.
00:15:45One of the parents of a student introduced him to the CEO of Bear Stearns, a man named Ace Greenberg,
00:15:52where he got his first job on Wall Street.
00:16:05We are on Wall Street, where Jeffrey Epstein made his fortune.
00:16:14He was, by all accounts, very charming.
00:16:18Jeffrey Epstein tried to, throughout his life, make connections with people with money and power.
00:16:25He was able to get people to trust him very quickly.
00:16:32He won the trust of billionaires like Leslie Wexner, who gave him power of attorney.
00:16:38He won the trust of Leon Black, who paid him hundreds of millions of dollars far above the market rates.
00:16:48And from there, there is a lot of mystery, but we're getting a picture more and more of him finagling
00:16:58people, wheeling and dealing, and ultimately became fabulously wealthy.
00:17:05This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper East Side townhouse mansion.
00:17:11And the famous lantern over the door.
00:17:16He had a massage room in there.
00:17:21He had the dining room where he entertained.
00:17:25I mean, the photos really do tell the story.
00:17:33Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in the early 1990s.
00:17:39As the daughter of a media tycoon with a British accent, she brought something that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have.
00:17:45Access to the elite.
00:17:52They socialized with politicians, with big names in academia, finance, you name it.
00:17:58Whether it was the man known at the time as Prince Andrew.
00:18:03Or whether it was former President Bill Clinton.
00:18:07He had his private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands, a ranch outside of Santa Fe, property in Palm
00:18:17Beach and in Paris.
00:18:22He was flaunting his jet-setting lifestyle and his massive wealth.
00:18:36Look at me like you love me.
00:18:38I thought we...
00:18:42Okay, so now I'm walking towards the lily pond.
00:18:47I'm here on the beach by myself.
00:18:50This is my swimming pool.
00:18:52My beach.
00:18:53No one's allowed to dock here.
00:18:57The luncheon place.
00:18:59The nursery.
00:19:01And the point there is the library.
00:19:09It's an honor to stand here again for something America's finally united on.
00:19:15The immediate release of the entire Epstein files.
00:19:25So these are just my modeling pictures.
00:19:27Like when I started out.
00:19:29This is when I was 17.
00:19:32I would send these to modeling agencies to get started.
00:19:37I was a fashion model in New York.
00:19:39Had worked my way up since I was 15 or 16 years old.
00:19:42So this is from the actual week I met Jeffrey.
00:19:45Ah.
00:19:46The year 2000.
00:19:48And I had booked like a really big job.
00:19:50Our agent at the time, Jeff, sent us to Tortola on the Caribbean Sea.
00:19:59Tortola was a small island.
00:20:01There was really not that much to do there.
00:20:03So the other model was like, you know, we have a free day tomorrow.
00:20:06She was just suggesting we go see her friend, you know, Jeffrey Epstein that owned an island nearby.
00:20:12Yeah, we were both like maybe 22 years old.
00:20:16Spent the day just like playing in the pool and the ocean.
00:20:19And there I met two other young blonde girls.
00:20:24Went to dinner that evening and I met Jeffrey Epstein.
00:20:29He was laser focused on me and asking so many questions about my childhood and my dreams and aspirations.
00:20:38I told him in that time that we had shared on the island that I wanted to be a Ford
00:20:42model.
00:20:42And I kind of built up this trust with this man.
00:20:49Getting ready to go to sleep, there just was a knock at the door.
00:20:51And one of the other young girls poked her head in and was like, Jeffrey's ready for his massage now.
00:20:57And I'm just like, OK, well, you go ahead.
00:20:58I'm going to bed.
00:20:59And she was just like, no, he said for you to get the massage.
00:21:05Long story short, like I just had to go.
00:21:09And so I experienced, you know, sexual abuse that evening from Jeffrey.
00:21:15And the other girl that was there.
00:21:39I think when you're younger, you always blame yourself.
00:21:42Like, what did I do?
00:21:43Was I flirting with this guy?
00:21:45Like, I went home and I kind of wanted nothing to do with him after that.
00:21:49And a few months had passed and he called me.
00:21:55A lot of my modeling castings would be here in Soho.
00:21:59Right up here, when I was walking right up here, was where I got the call from Jeffrey.
00:22:03He was very brief and to the point that he had remembered, you know, my goals and ambitions that I
00:22:09told him on the island.
00:22:10That I wanted to be a Ford model, big dream of mine.
00:22:12And that he knew the owner of the Ford modeling agency and for me to go over there and meet
00:22:17with her.
00:22:18And I was just thinking whatever happened to me on the island wasn't good.
00:22:23But maybe he was trying to make up for it, you know, by saying, oh, I remember your goal.
00:22:28Well, I can help you out.
00:22:31During that time, were you ever abused by Epstein again or any men in his orbit?
00:22:38So, yeah, I was abused by him again.
00:22:40And through his connections, where he would send me on auditions and things.
00:22:46But back then, I wasn't aware that I was trafficked.
00:22:51Can you explain a bit more about how the trafficking operation worked?
00:22:56Well, auditions are castings by Epstein.
00:22:58So it's like, oh, let me just send you.
00:23:00My friend is casting a really big film right now.
00:23:03And you're sent somewhere where all of a sudden your proposition for sex
00:23:07and the people around you are enforcing it.
00:23:14Just thought it was the business.
00:23:16Just thought I was going to a casting, an audition, working.
00:23:19And that's kind of how some of the older men were, just creepy.
00:23:22And I never connected it to a more nefarious ring that involved modeling agencies and Epstein.
00:23:30There were hundreds of girls from these Eastern European countries sent to Paris, sent to New York.
00:23:37You know, they were doing quite abusive things to these models.
00:23:41It was like a well-oiled machine.
00:23:46Fast forward a few years later, I had a girlfriend who was also involved in this Epstein world.
00:23:54She had came to me one evening and said that Jeffrey had made her go into a room,
00:23:59made to go have sex with somebody.
00:24:01And so she, at that time, was scared.
00:24:05I became scared.
00:24:06And we kind of both kind of moved out of New York at that time.
00:24:09And I never saw him again after that because I was scared.
00:24:21Jeffrey Epstein's trail of sexual abuse happened globally.
00:24:27However, Palm Beach was the center, in many ways, of the sexual abuse and where his crimes were originally investigated.
00:24:42Hey there.
00:24:43We're just driving around Palm Beach.
00:24:48Is there any way to get through or not?
00:24:49No, not.
00:24:50It's just closed.
00:24:51Yeah.
00:24:51Okay.
00:24:52All right.
00:24:52Just wanted to check.
00:24:53Why is it closed?
00:24:56Because Trump's in town.
00:25:02So, I'm Holly Balz.
00:25:05I'm a retired investigations editor from the Palm Beach Post, just newly retired.
00:25:13We, as in the Post, covered Epstein from the very beginning.
00:25:21I never could have anticipated how big this case got to be.
00:25:29Palm Beach Police first started investigating Jeffrey Epstein when the stepmother of a ninth grader at Royal Palm Beach High
00:25:38School reported that a wealthy man had molested her daughter in March of 2005.
00:25:45This is the east-west route that goes past Royal Palm Beach High School.
00:25:53You know, it wasn't just the one girl.
00:25:56Police found that a number of victims were recruited here.
00:26:04They started interviewing more girls, and every time they did, it was like peeling back an onion.
00:26:11Why don't you tell me from the beginning and how you met him?
00:26:13It was something in high school.
00:26:15Everybody was like trying to make money.
00:26:18Did it get paid for taking you?
00:26:20Yeah.
00:26:21$200.
00:26:23Not only were the girls getting sexually abused themselves, but he also offered to pay them if they bring their
00:26:30friends.
00:26:31And these were girls who didn't have a lot of money.
00:26:37During Jeffrey Epstein's first criminal investigation, many of the survivors started finding lawyers who were willing to bring their stories
00:26:48forward and file lawsuits.
00:27:00And a young girl walked into our office with her parents and told a crazy story about a rich man
00:27:08on Palm Beach Island that had paid her about $200 to go to the home and give him a massage
00:27:13that turned into a sexually explicit and inappropriate massage.
00:27:17Initially, I didn't quite believe her, to be perfectly honest, but once I interviewed the police detective that was conducting
00:27:26the investigation, I realized that this was real.
00:27:30Michael Ryder was the chief of police back at the time.
00:27:34Joe Rattari was the lead investigator.
00:27:37You are Alfredo Rodriguez, correct?
00:27:40Okay.
00:27:40You were like the houseman?
00:27:42You can say butler.
00:27:43The girls that come over to work for him.
00:27:45What can you tell me about that?
00:27:46He has a list of favorite female personnel to give him massage.
00:27:53So he gave him massage in the morning, massage in the afternoon.
00:27:55And besides that, they were very private.
00:27:57Okay.
00:27:59And actually, it was my job to keep everything discreet.
00:28:04As police officers gathered the evidence, Epstein put together a huge team of, it was like a dream team.
00:28:14All really well-known attorneys and attorneys who were very aggressive.
00:28:23It is widely reported that Jeffrey Epstein and his legal team had some of the victims, followed by blacked-out
00:28:29SUVs, you know, showing up at their houses.
00:28:34But they were also investigating the lead investigator, Joe.
00:28:37And I asked to meet him.
00:28:41So he picked a Starbucks in downtown West Palm Beach.
00:28:44And when I sat down and I started talking to him, his head was on a swivel.
00:28:47And he kept looking around.
00:28:48And I said, what are you, what are you doing?
00:28:51And I'll never forget, he looks at me and he says, you have no idea what they're doing to me.
00:28:57And they had been digging through his personal trash.
00:29:00And he said to me, I've never seen this kind of an operation before.
00:29:12But the Palm Beach police, they were very dogged in pursuing Epstein.
00:29:17One of the police officers in Palm Beach County, Florida.
00:29:19They kept amassing victims.
00:29:22Being the premises occupied or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein, white male, they're the birth of 12053.
00:29:28Oh, fine.
00:29:30When the first criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein was going on, it had originally seemed like something that could sustain
00:29:39an indictment with dozens of counts, that Palm Beach police were building a very strong case.
00:29:45But when the entire case was packaged up and given to the state attorney, the state attorney here in Palm
00:29:53Beach at the time decided not to file charges.
00:29:57Chief of police, Michael Ryder was so upset at the lack of prosecution on the state level that he elevated
00:30:04this to the federal level.
00:30:06The FBI was keen to prosecute in the beginning, for sure.
00:30:12And they found very much similar things as Palm Beach police, but new victims.
00:30:18And what came of that was a draft indictment, 60 counts.
00:30:24However, this giant case that Palm Beach police spent so much time investigating pleaded down to a slap on the
00:30:32wrist plea deal after intense lobbying by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.
00:30:38The charges that they ended up bringing were solicitation for prostitution of a minor.
00:30:44It's basically calling these victims prostitutes.
00:30:48The deal was approved by then U.S. attorney, Alex Acosta, and then kept secret from the victims.
00:30:55And I think that the sweetheart plea deal was in many ways the original sin of this.
00:31:03It was one of the most awful deals I've ever seen.
00:31:07There isn't a plea deal before or since that I've ever seen like this.
00:31:15It gave complete immunity to not just Epstein, but it included and not limited to potential co-conspirators Sarah Kellen,
00:31:26Adriana Ross, Leslie Graff, and Nadia Marcinkova.
00:31:29And so these are some of the women who helped recruit other girls?
00:31:32Yeah, in the sexual pyramid scheme, these were the people that were really at the third level, right below Ghislaine
00:31:39Maxwell.
00:31:42Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before 10 this morning.
00:31:45He pleaded guilty in open court.
00:31:47He agreed to serve a total of 18 months in the Palm Beach detention facility.
00:31:53People who commit sex crimes against minors go to prison for a very long time.
00:31:59Not Jeffrey Epstein.
00:32:01He was sentenced to 18 months in jail.
00:32:06He could get work released for 12 hours a day, six days a week.
00:32:12He wound up being in a cushy jail where he was the only person in that wing.
00:32:20He could go out, go to his office, take a walk on the beach, do whatever he wanted during the
00:32:25day.
00:32:26That's no kind of punishment.
00:32:29We had been litigating against Epstein on behalf of one of my clients.
00:32:34He was being allowed out during days.
00:32:37So we noticed Epstein for deposition.
00:32:41Could you please give us your name?
00:32:43Jeffrey Epstein.
00:32:44So I wanted him to realize I didn't care who he was, what his power was, what his status was.
00:32:50I was going to ask him the most embarrassing possible thing I could.
00:32:53Is it true, sir, that you have what's been described as an egg-shaped penis?
00:33:03He hears me ask the question, watch him look at his lawyers like, can you believe he's asking me this?
00:33:08I'm going to give you the first one, Mr. Truman.
00:33:11I had been the first lawyer to ask him any questions in the cases that had been filed.
00:33:15One witness described your penis as oval-shaped, thin and small towards the head portion.
00:33:22See, he's angry.
00:33:23He's ready to walk out the door, and then he sees that the attorneys are going to talk.
00:33:27That serves no other purpose other than embarrass Mr. Epstein.
00:33:30It's just totally unethical.
00:33:32It's improper.
00:33:33The purpose of that question is, how could a 14-year-old know what his private part look like?
00:33:38That question was directly relevant to the claims in the case.
00:33:43The deposition is terminated at this point.
00:33:45Okay, thanks a lot.
00:33:46I appreciate it.
00:33:50What are you going to hear, Phil?
00:33:51Shortest deposition I've ever taken.
00:33:54Ever.
00:33:55Ever.
00:33:55Wow.
00:33:56So he probably is feeling pretty confident at this point that he's gotten away with this.
00:34:00Pretty much, yeah.
00:34:01I mean, he had done his deal, and now he was just getting through the civil cases,
00:34:04thinking that it was all over and all done.
00:34:10So, Sarah and Nadia, you guys have record time.
00:34:12You can see I have a little sore on my face that I got from some black guy trying to
00:34:16kiss me.
00:34:17I'll talk to you guys later.
00:34:18Bye.
00:34:21A few steps, a smile, and a wave to the deputy at the door.
00:34:26We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail.
00:34:29Epstein served 13 months of an 18-month sentence.
00:34:32He's very happy that his jail sentence is over, and he can begin a new chapter in his life.
00:34:39When Jeffrey Epstein got out of jail, the fact that he was prosecuted, the fact that he was a registered
00:34:45sex offender,
00:34:46didn't seem to stand in the way of his re-entry into high society, wealth, and power.
00:34:55The power and influence he had convinced a lot of people to look the other way.
00:35:02Prince Andrew looked the other way.
00:35:06We also saw Bill Gates meeting with Epstein despite his past.
00:35:12He was some sort of soothsayer, apparently, to a lot of these men that were asking him for advice.
00:35:19I think that a lot of people probably knew that everything was not on the up and up,
00:35:24but for whatever reason, they wanted to be a part of his inner circle.
00:35:30I had a reporter who was covering Epstein every step of the way.
00:35:37It was difficult to get people to pay attention.
00:35:42They felt like he had served his time, and there you go.
00:35:47Epstein's conviction wasn't even a speed bump.
00:35:53I've been researching and writing about channel traffic since 2002, 2003.
00:35:57And I had this intuition that Jeffrey Epstein was very similar to the network that I'd investigated.
00:36:03And I just felt that something was seriously wrong.
00:36:08So in 2012, I went down to Florida, and I had the good fortune of getting the Black Book.
00:36:20The Black Book is just a list of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.
00:36:25It has billionaires, some people in showbiz, captains of industry,
00:36:34and multiple girls were in the Black Book.
00:36:41I started talking to some of the girls, and they told me that they'd been flown here or flown there.
00:36:49And then one told me that she'd been flown to an island.
00:36:52So in 2012, I believe, Jeffrey Epstein was running a network.
00:36:58And I also had the flight logs.
00:37:01So were these the flight logs just for his private plane, then?
00:37:05Yes.
00:37:06Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers.
00:37:11I mean, there were a number of very powerful people that were flying with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:37:16And there were a number of girls on the flight logs.
00:37:20And I assumed that some of them were minors.
00:37:25Yes.
00:37:30I worked on getting that story published for three years.
00:37:33And finally, Gawker stepped up and published my work.
00:37:40The mainstream media just didn't want to embrace it.
00:37:48After that point, we would get glimpses of information.
00:37:53Virginia Giuffre, one of the Epstein survivors from Palm Beach,
00:37:58had moved to Australia after escaping Jeffrey Epstein.
00:38:02She claimed that she was trafficked to then Prince Andrew when she was a minor.
00:38:08She was 17 at the time.
00:38:10Can you tell me about the photo that she provided to a newspaper in 2011?
00:38:17Virginia Giuffre had produced a now infamous photograph of her,
00:38:22then Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:38:27Andrew claimed that it was a fake and denied criminal wrongdoing.
00:38:33The thing about Virginia is she'd been with Epstein for a couple of years.
00:38:38And he had taken her every place.
00:38:40So she was pretty knowledgeable about his network.
00:38:44And she was launching civil suits.
00:38:47And she named Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell as perpetrators,
00:38:52who trafficked her to his rich and powerful cronies.
00:38:57But she wasn't being taken seriously by the media.
00:39:04Jeffrey Epstein very aggressively bullied media organizations that tried to look under that rock.
00:39:14Things remained kind of dormant for a number of years until another story came out of the Miami Herald
00:39:21and a reporter that went back and looked at some of the deals that were struck with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:39:28Julie Brown, her reporting really opened up the case.
00:39:32One second.
00:39:35Oh, you're calling Julie?
00:39:37Good morning.
00:39:38Good morning. How are you?
00:39:39I'm wonderful.
00:39:40I have a very pleasant Australian reporter here in my office
00:39:46that would like to chat with you, if you could give her time.
00:39:51Hang on.
00:39:52Hi, Julie.
00:39:53You know, I've been contacted by a lot of people.
00:39:55Yeah, I can imagine.
00:39:57Straight, but.
00:39:58Yeah.
00:39:59Well, yeah, it could be a call, but this week is not a good week.
00:40:02So we can talk about it.
00:40:04Okay.
00:40:05Later.
00:40:05Yeah, sure.
00:40:20Hey, Julie.
00:40:21I'm so glad we could make this happen.
00:40:23Yes.
00:40:25Persistence pays off, right?
00:40:27Yep, it was okay, especially since you were willing to come all the way to Philadelphia.
00:40:30I thought, oh, my God, this girl is never going to give up.
00:40:32I might as well just get it over with.
00:40:36Tell me how you came to investigate Jeffrey Epstein.
00:40:40Well, I started investigating it right before the election in 2016.
00:40:45Most journalists in America knew, you know, something about the Jeffrey Epstein case, especially
00:40:53Epstein's sweetheart deal, very lenient plea deal.
00:40:56And there was a lot of stories about how did he get this deal?
00:41:00This doesn't make any sense.
00:41:02But nothing that I could find really showed me how he got away with this crime.
00:41:07And so I just started requesting the records, not knowing where it was going to lead me.
00:41:13Somehow I got a list of almost 100 victims.
00:41:17In the end, I had like four victims that were willing to go and talk.
00:41:23And in the middle of when I was doing that, Trump nominated Alexander Acosta to be labor secretary.
00:41:29I want to thank President Trump for the privilege of serving.
00:41:34Acosta was the U.S. attorney in Miami that signed off on Epstein's sweetheart deal.
00:41:42So then I pitched a story that we would go to the victims and ask them, you know, what
00:41:50they think about the man that let their predator off the hook, who is now, by the way, in charge
00:41:55one of the largest government agencies in the country, with oversight of human trafficking.
00:42:03It was a high-pressure story because it involved a lot of important people.
00:42:07It was going to be put online very early in the morning.
00:42:12So we sort of braced ourselves, I guess you could say.
00:42:15And at the time, that morning, there was a funny story that was at the top of our leaderboard.
00:42:20My story was at the very bottom.
00:42:22And so I packed everything up.
00:42:24I thought, that's it for the day.
00:42:26I, you know, I'm going to take the day off.
00:42:29And I was getting all ready.
00:42:30And another reporter said to me, Julie, look at this story.
00:42:33And it was going boom, boom, boom.
00:42:36We are going to begin with a much closer look at the disturbing case of Jeffrey Epstein.
00:42:42Joining me this morning is Julie Brown of the Miami Herald.
00:42:44Investigative reporter behind the Miami Herald.
00:42:47Julie Brown, let me ask you, set the scene for us.
00:42:51This story uncovered this underbelly of society of the rich and powerful and what they were
00:42:57doing to people who were less powerful.
00:43:00The Miami Herald series drops in November 2018.
00:43:08It had such an impact that by July of the following year, Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and charged
00:43:17with sex trafficking.
00:43:20Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested for alleged sex trafficking of young girls.
00:43:26And agents have been coming in and out of his Manhattan mansion all morning.
00:43:30Epstein is charged in a two-count indictment, first conspiracy to commit sex trafficking,
00:43:35and second sex trafficking of underage girls, beginning in at least 2002 and continuing until
00:43:402005 at his mansion in New York and in Palm Beach, Florida.
00:43:46I'm not going into any dealings with Maine Justice.
00:43:50I will say that we were assisted from some excellent investigative journalism.
00:43:56I just got a call from the news desk saying we just got something over the wire that said
00:44:00that Epstein's been arrested.
00:44:02It was like, oh, you know, it was incredible.
00:44:04I was just, I couldn't believe it.
00:44:09Hi, Mark.
00:44:10It's Grace Tobin.
00:44:11Thanks so much for taking the time to talk to me today.
00:44:14Sure.
00:44:15When your brother was arrested, can you tell me what that was like, that moment?
00:44:20Jeffrey gets arrested.
00:44:22You know, he spoke the night before.
00:44:25He called me from Paris.
00:44:26Just a normal, you know, what's new, how you doing, call him.
00:44:29And then he flies home the next day and he gets arrested.
00:44:34I wanted to be at his first court appearance the next day.
00:44:40He looked like such a small man, you know, small, frail, you know, human being.
00:44:49Just looked lost, quite frankly.
00:44:52I don't think he ever thought he was going to be rearrested.
00:44:55Now, yesterday we were there in court.
00:44:57His attorneys are arguing that Epstein struck a deal with federal prosecutors in Florida
00:45:01over similar crimes, granting him immunity after he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge.
00:45:06The U.S. attorney who struck that deal is Alexander Acosta.
00:45:11At that point, the media started in Washington asking Trump what's going to happen with Alexander Acosta.
00:45:18Good afternoon.
00:45:20I remember that Acosta did have a press conference.
00:45:24We believe that we proceeded appropriately.
00:45:29There was value to getting a guilty plea and having him registered.
00:45:35Thank you very much.
00:45:39And I just remember listening to him thinking, these are all excuses.
00:45:45They don't work anymore.
00:45:48And apparently it didn't work because he then, you know, resigned.
00:45:54And so I called the president this morning.
00:45:57I told him that I thought the right thing was to step aside.
00:46:02Finally, it seemed like the government was actually taking this seriously by charging Epstein with serious crimes, sex trafficking.
00:46:17When he was arrested, a lot of us were happy that there was a second chance for possibly some actual
00:46:24justice.
00:46:25Because what happened in 2008 wasn't justice or him being held accountable.
00:46:31And at that point, I reached out to the FBI and I was like, here's another one of us, you
00:46:40know.
00:46:41And I, I want to be a part of bringing him down.
00:47:00Jeffrey Epstein was staying at the rather notorious prison where people await trial on serious offenses in the Southern District
00:47:10of New York.
00:47:13The Metropolitan Correctional Correctional Correctional Center in Manhattan is an environment completely foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.
00:47:21The conditions were filthy, rodents, cockroaches, uh, all over the place.
00:47:26I agreed to represent him and, uh, I met with him.
00:47:31But just before that, there was this incident in which there was a suggestion that he tried to commit suicide.
00:47:38The multimillionaire and convicted sex offender is now on suicide watch after he was found
00:47:43injured in his jail cell. I met with Jeffrey Epstein on August 1st for about five or six
00:47:49hours. He denied that he tried to commit suicide. The story that he told about what had happened
00:47:57was that the cellmate he had forced him to put a rope around his neck something and pulled it
00:48:02just to see the reaction Epstein would have. But he told the correctional officers that he couldn't
00:48:09remember what had happened because he was afraid if he got that guy in trouble that he would have
00:48:13trouble himself. How was Jeffrey Epstein's mood that day when you look back? Good. I mean he again
00:48:21he didn't like being in the jail but he was adamant about wanting to fight the case and he was
00:48:26energized
00:48:27by our meeting. I think he thought he had a strong legal argument for example on the agreement that
00:48:32he had made that he felt would have barred his prosecution. But nine days later last thing I
00:48:39would have imagined at the time happened. NBC News has learned that disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein
00:48:48is dead. Sources telling ABC News that accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide.
00:48:55It appeared that he had hung himself. We're trying to figure out if he was still on suicide watch.
00:49:02It was astonishing. This is someone who is being prosecuted for historic crimes. The world's
00:49:11attention is on this. How is this man allowed to turn up dead?
00:49:24And then the next thing I know I hear on the news that Jeffrey was found dead from an apparent
00:49:28suicide.
00:49:30At first I had no reason to doubt it because you know he was in jail. He was facing a
00:49:35long time in
00:49:36jail potentially and I knew he wouldn't want to live that way in jail. So I had no reason to
00:49:41doubt it and I
00:49:42accepted that he committed suicide. You know the next day I had to come back to New York to
00:49:47identify his body. As a family member I had the right to have my own pathologist at the
00:49:52autopsy you know just to see everything that's done right. I spoke to his brother. I insisted that
00:49:58the person I consider to be the top forensic pathologist in the world participate in an
00:50:02independent autopsy. So his name is Michael Bodden. I was medical examiner for the New York State
00:50:11Police for 25 years and did more than 20,000 autopsies. In this instance I was asked to attend
00:50:22the autopsy that was going to be done the next day. The history was that he was found having committed
00:50:30suicide by hanging in his jail cell. When looking at the body there was a little odd situation there
00:50:38because the ligature furrow around the neck was horizontal. In the suicidal hanging the ligature
00:50:48mark is usually up the high part of the neck and goes upwards and then the moment of surprise there
00:50:57were
00:50:57three fractures. Two of the thyroid cartilage which is the Adam's apple and one of the hyoid bone.
00:51:07In 50 years of doing this I've never seen that. That's much more common a crushing injury in the
00:51:15homicidal strangulation. So I think at that point there was concern as to whether it was suicide as thought or
00:51:24not.
00:51:26So the medical examiner of New York City who conducted it
00:51:30she said that it was inconclusive she couldn't say it was suicide.
00:51:37But then her boss three or four days later changed it to suicide.
00:51:46Again okay now all kinds of questions start coming up and we'll start turning.
00:51:54Barbara Sampson the chief medical examiner and she was not at the autopsy and so she comes up with the
00:52:01conclusion of suicide based on what? Tonight Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys questioning whether his death was
00:52:07a suicide saying they will even pursue quote legal action to view the pivotal videos if they exist as
00:52:14they should of the area approximate to Mr. Epstein's cell. And it turned out somehow magically the cameras
00:52:21malfunctioned that day or was in a place where the camera didn't reach. So this is now a correctional
00:52:29officer taking an inmate down this is supposed to be Jeffrey Epstein now. You're talking about August 9th
00:52:35at almost eight o'clock in the evening. August 10th is when he was dead.
00:52:40Do you think it's suspicious that there's only this one camera angle available? That that's the
00:52:46only image? If that's accurate then yes I do think it's suspicious and um you might say coincidental
00:52:53that cameras are malfunctioning you know around that time but pretty unbelievable. There were so many
00:52:59anomalies that night. His cellmate had been taken out, the guards were sleeping, the cameras were down.
00:53:08All of these mysterious things fueled a lot of conspiracy theories. There's just no way you can
00:53:14hang yourself off of a bunk bed at that height. I think we have found Jeffrey Epstein's killer. And
00:53:19it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States and he got murdered in it. Who has the power
00:53:22to do that?
00:53:27I've been studying conspiracy theories for 15 years. When I polled Americans asking them what they
00:53:34thought about his death, half the country thought it was a conspiracy. That he was killed by people who
00:53:40were trying to cover up their involvement with him. And you don't normally get uh conspiracy theories
00:53:48getting half the country to buy in. Yeah I don't believe any conspiracy theory but the fact that he
00:53:53wanted to fight this case uh until the day before he died um says to me that it's unlikely he
00:53:59committed suicide.
00:54:02I believe he was murdered and if they do a real investigation and talk to the right people they
00:54:08could figure out when it actually took place. Do you believe that Epstein committed suicide?
00:54:16No. No, I just don't believe it. Um, no. He had only been there for a month. I just think
00:54:27it was too
00:54:27soon for him to throw in the towel. From the Jeffrey Epstein that I knew, no I don't think he'd
00:54:35kill
00:54:35himself at Stone. And I believe he always thought he was going to get out of it. He knew that
00:54:41he wasn't
00:54:41going to get the slap on the wrist this time. Uh, very damaging documents in the case came out two
00:54:47days
00:54:48before he changed his will. A lot of people think he might have been killed. Others think he killed
00:54:55himself. I really think he he decided to take his life. That was the last bit of control uh that
00:55:02he had.
00:55:04When I heard about that I just I was heartbroken for these girls.
00:55:13A federal judge has officially dismissed the criminal case against Jeffrey Epstein.
00:55:19They have never gotten justice and you know they didn't deserve this.
00:55:28I was going through my own feelings in 2019 when he died. Uh, he was kind of a mentor to
00:55:34me,
00:55:34but he was also my abuser. Um, so it was a very confusing time for me and I wanted to
00:55:39know answers
00:55:39about my life. So I reached out at that time to other survivors and called Virginia. I had my first
00:55:47conversation with her. There's just something that she had in her that I looked up to and I really
00:55:56thought was very brave.
00:56:03We are here in Loxahatchee Groves, which is a rural part of Palm Beach County in which Virginia
00:56:11Roberts Jeffrey grew up. Not terribly affluent. I was recruited at a very young age from Mar-a-Lago
00:56:23and entrapped in a world that I didn't understand and I've been fighting that very world to this day
00:56:28and I won't stop fighting. I will never be silenced. And here we have Mar-a-Lago, President Trump's
00:56:35uh, private club. Virginia Dufresne was a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago and Ghislaine Maxwell used to go there
00:56:46for massages.
00:56:49Ghislaine Maxwell asked her if she wanted to learn to be a masseuse and to come to Epstein's house and
00:56:56that
00:56:57was where she suffered the first abuse. Do you know Virginia Roberts?
00:57:04So she's again who? Virginia Roberts. Can you spell it? Common spelling. Can you spell it for me please?
00:57:14R-O-B-E-R-T-S. And just for the record, I can only spell it the way that
00:57:20it was spelled in your flight logs from your airplane.
00:57:26R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Virginia Roberts Dufresne was instrumental in this story coming forward. She is the
00:57:32reason to a very large extent that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were even prosecuted because of the trail of
00:57:41the public record that she left in her civil lawsuits.
00:57:44R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Virginia Dufresne was not only key in exposing Jeffrey Epstein. You know, she
00:57:52named names of other people such as Prince Andrew.
00:57:56R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Abuse allegations that have been plaguing the prince for years now laid bare
00:58:02on primetime TV.
00:58:04R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Virginia Roberts Dufresne alleges Prince Andrew first sexually abused her at Ms Maxwell's
00:58:10London home.
00:58:11R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Ghislaine woke me up in the morning and said, you're going to meet
00:58:13a prince today.
00:58:15R-O-B-E-R-T-S. I didn't know at that point that I was going to be trafficked
00:58:19to that prince.
00:58:21And Ghislaine said he's coming back to the house and I want you to do for him what you do
00:58:26for Epstein.
00:58:28R-O-B-E-R-T-S. One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts, has made allegations against you.
00:58:33R-O-B-E-R-T-S. It's been six years now since that famous, infamous interview with Prince Andrew.
00:58:46Did you ever think that you would still be talking about it now?
00:58:50R-O-B-E-R-T-S. In a way, I wish the whole conversation had started earlier.
00:58:53You know, we knew when we did it that it had to be a document, a public record in case
00:59:00it was ever useful.
00:59:03He was in the room when I arrived. He looked ready for it.
00:59:09He looked like a man who had waited a long time to kind of get it off his chest, frankly.
00:59:16There is no good time to talk about Mr. Epstein.
00:59:22My sense is that he thought he was his own best weapon in terms of killing the story dead.
00:59:29R-O-B-E-R-T-S. She says she met you in 2001 and she went on to have
00:59:34sex with you in a house in Belgravia belonging to Ghirlane Maxwell.
00:59:40It didn't happen.
00:59:41R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Do you remember her?
00:59:43R-O-B-E-R-T-S. He tried to tell me that it was a fake photo.
00:59:47R-O-B-E-R-T-S. We can't be certain as to whether or not that's my hand on
00:59:51her, whatever it is, left side.
00:59:55R-O-B-E-R-T-S. He'd worked out his alibi.
01:00:00R-O-B-E-R-T-S. I'd taken Beatrice to a pizza express in Working.
01:00:06R-O-B-E-R-T-S. His team had thought it had gone pretty well.
01:00:08R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Britain's Prince Andrew is facing backlash after a widely criticized television interview.
01:00:14R-O-B-E-R-T-S. One UK paper calling the prince entitled and obtuse.
01:00:18R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Four days after Newsnight broadcast its interview with Prince Andrew, he's made this
01:00:23announcement.
01:00:23R-O-B-E-R-T-S. I have asked Her Majesty if I may step back from public duties
01:00:27for the foreseeable future, and she has given her permission.
01:00:30R-O-B-E-R-T-S. The interview that he gave the BBC, that was beyond disingenuous.
01:00:39R-O-B-E-R-T-S. He started his slow decline to ultimately being stripped of his princehood.
01:00:46R-O-B-E-R-T-S. And I think that that was the beginning of the end.
01:00:50R-O-B-E-R-T-S. It's an eye for an eye, a scar for a scar.
01:00:55R-O-B-E-R-T-S. No matter how much I go through therapy, I'm embedded with scars that
01:01:00will never leave me. Ever.
01:01:02R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:01:02R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Virginia Giuffre was also instrumental to the downfall of the other person in
01:01:13that photograph, Ghislaine Maxwell.
01:01:16R-O-B-E-R-T-S. In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in prison for sex
01:01:21trafficking and other crimes.
01:01:26But there was a growing public outrage that she was the only person to face consequences in the Epstein scandal.
01:01:34People were asking, what about the Met?
01:01:38R-O-B-E-R-T-S. No one had brought charges, and this was across Republican and Democratic administrations.
01:01:46R-O-B-E-R-T-S. When and how did concerns about Epstein's crime start spilling over into the
01:01:55territory of the public really wanting to see the files?
01:01:59R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Donald Trump really was the one who prompted that.
01:02:03R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Then he got to be embroiled in it himself.
01:02:11R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Donald Trump's name is all over these files.
01:02:15R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Flight logs show Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times than
01:02:19prosecutors were aware.
01:02:22R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
01:02:28R-O-B-E-R-T-S. What do you mean by personal relationships?
01:02:30R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Have you socialized with him?
01:02:33R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Yes, sir.
01:02:34R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Yes?
01:02:34R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Yes, sir.
01:02:36R-O-B-E-R-T-S. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under
01:02:42the age of 18?
01:02:43R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:02:50R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:02:52R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:02:55R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:13R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:14R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:16R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:20R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:22R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:27R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:34I said it's his signature.
01:03:35We have multiple hand writing experts saying that it is.
01:03:40R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:40I don't do drawings.
01:03:41I'm not a drawing person.
01:03:43R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:44R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:44The fact that he had such a long personal friendship with Epstein raises questions about what he knew about Epstein's
01:03:52behavior.
01:03:53R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:54R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:54R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:54I don't think I've spoken to him for 15 years.
01:03:58R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
01:03:58I wasn't a fan.
01:04:00when do you think it was that the epstein files actually started becoming a big problem for
01:04:05president trump i think it became a problem soon after he assumed office again we are going to drain
01:04:13the swamp and we're going to do it once and for all prior to his re-election he had been
01:04:18asked
01:04:19point blank would you support releasing the files would you declassify the epstein files
01:04:24yeah yeah i would and many of the people around him they said yes seriously we need to release
01:04:31the epstein list that that is an important thing how is it that my father can be convicted of 34
01:04:36crimes but no one on epstein's list has even been brought to light so this was a campaign promise
01:04:44that they had made to their supporters gillay look into her father robert maxwell yeah all the answers
01:04:51are right there because he was a spy trump built a coalition of followers who are very conspiratorial
01:04:57in their world views and were already epstein conspiracy theorists you don't know that she's
01:05:0416 and she takes you in a room and that room is filled with cameras that's blackmail yeah yeah so
01:05:10there were fantasies about massive sex trafficking rings views about blackmail rings and that epstein
01:05:17was controlling all sorts of rich and powerful people i believe very strongly he was a spy yes
01:05:23and who do you think he was working for the israelis trump cozied up to q anon and it created
01:05:29a lore
01:05:29around him that he was bringing down these evil powerful people because the establishment was
01:05:35entirely corrupt and he was the outsider who was going to come in and drain the swamp
01:05:48so early in trump's second term he appoints pam bondi as attorney general and she runs with the
01:05:56epstein story almost immediately this is something donald trump has talked about the doj may be releasing
01:06:03the list of jeffrey epstein's clients in february of 2025 bondi goes out and says that she has the epstein
01:06:13files and the client list on her desk it's sitting on my desk right now to review um that's been
01:06:19a
01:06:19directive by president trump then there's a 180 degree reversal there's the release of the july memo
01:06:28from the fbi and the department of justice and the july memo says an extraordinary thing it says that
01:06:35there are more than a thousand survivors of jeffrey epstein's abuse and then says there's nothing to
01:06:42investigate there's nothing to release turn the other way there was quote no client list or evidence
01:06:50that he blackmailed prominent figures according to a memo detailing the findings the review also concluded
01:06:56that epstein died by suicide while in custody at a manhattan correctional facility that memo just sent
01:07:02shockwaves throughout the american ether especially with the maga base who was so invested all those
01:07:09videos are saying yeah she's seen the videos it's all coming out and then now it doesn't exist i mean
01:07:13what what joe when check the tweet that elon just put out time to drop the really big bomb donald
01:07:19trump
01:07:19is in the epstein files that's the real reason they have not been made public jeffrey epstein case has
01:07:25caused backlash within president trump's base you link conspiracy theories that more details exist
01:07:30but are being hidden from the public i'm not gonna play with these anymore maga hats are off
01:07:43burn baby burn and this is a great representation of what's left of maga
01:07:50i think the president always felt like he could control his maga base but it's the influencers
01:07:55who have also really kept this story alive and have been very critical of him we voted for trump
01:08:01because we wanted justice and justice involves actually holding accountable the people who committed
01:08:06that wrongdoing i can't reconcile this donald trump with the trump that i voted for across multiple
01:08:12elections the epstein scandal is definitely terminal cancer to trump's maga movement there's no question
01:08:17about that it just continued and continued and the president himself kept calling it a hoax well i
01:08:24haven't been overly interested in it you know it's something it's a hoax that's been built up way beyond
01:08:29proportion i know it's a hoax it's started by democrats when you call something a hoax and yet
01:08:34people know that there's a tremendous amount of evidence out there that it's not a hoax it makes
01:08:38them only want to know more about it the president writing on social media my past supporters have
01:08:44bought into the bs hook line and sinker let these weaklings continue forward and do the democrats work
01:08:49because i don't want their support anymore some stupid republicans and foolish republicans fall into
01:08:55than that i call it the epstein hoax
01:09:01come on hi marjorie yes hello hi i'm grace tobin nice to meet you nice to meet you too grab
01:09:08a seat
01:09:08under this big ball light yeah that's quite a lot i know isn't it yeah
01:09:15do you think that these supporters are losing heart and losing trust in president trump now
01:09:20because of the epstein files many of them yes it was a line in the sand for them they couldn't
01:09:27understand it the same way i couldn't understand it why would he cover this up and that was um
01:09:34that was something that none of us ever expected from president trump
01:09:46i'm rick fraser and i'm i presently live in st mary's ohio it is good
01:09:54strong i'm a front row joe and i'd show up five six days ahead of time to one of his
01:10:01rallies
01:10:03i still worked hard to help trump you know get elected
01:10:08but to be honest with you it pisses me off that if i can use that language that
01:10:15on one hand we were promised by the president that this is going to happen
01:10:20then on the other hand he turns around and it didn't happen i can't see why he
01:10:27who is protecting me i honestly in my mind don't think he's involved
01:10:32you can be in pictures with anyone but until we got transparency how do we know
01:10:44there is new pressure on the trump administration from republicans looking into
01:10:48the jeffrey epstein case donald trump is aimed at one of his own republican congressman thomas massey
01:10:54this moron thomas massey there's something wrong with him
01:11:05when did you first start becoming concerned about what's now known as the epstein files
01:11:11so it started a couple years ago for me and it really came to the forefront when president trump
01:11:19and people in his cabinet promised that they were going to release these files but none of them
01:11:25followed through on their promise which became suspicious to me my democrat colleague roe connor
01:11:32from california cares about the victims and so i reached out to him and said roe if i do a
01:11:41discharge
01:11:42petition do you think you could get every single democrat to sign it and um he did deliver on that
01:11:51promise democrat roe connor and republican thomas massey are leading a bipartisan push in the house
01:11:57for the release of the epstein files people feel that the rich and the powerful have been uh not held
01:12:03accountable that they have a different set of rules uh and that there may be government officials
01:12:08involved thomas massey just filed a discharge petition to force this vote on releasing the
01:12:14files that's something that speaker mike johnson has really been trying to avoid the white house has
01:12:20warned republicans not to side with massey even the white house official telling reporters last night
01:12:25that this would be viewed as an act of hostility
01:12:33well i have a 98 percent voting record with the president was one of his most loyal defenders
01:12:40marjorie taylor green please come up come
01:12:46mr president all right georgia we know what we're going to do in 2024
01:12:51he was angry at me for siding with thomas massey and signing on the discharge petition
01:12:58to me it was a matter of right and wrong and standing up for these women
01:13:02the greatest president in united states history donald j trump right georgia
01:13:11marjorie taylor green she's the female version of donald trump as she was full-blood maga
01:13:16so for her to be one of the people to stand up against him is very significant in american politics
01:13:24he was losing control of the situation
01:13:29when you signed that discharge petition afterwards you took a phone call with president trump
01:13:36he said that it was going to hurt people that he knew what people
01:13:41i don't know i i still don't know that to this day but the way he treated me and the
01:13:46names that he
01:13:47called me sent death threats upon me and then my children
01:13:57this is my fifth year in congress and this is the largest press conference that i've seen since i've been
01:14:04here as people like marjorie taylor green started getting involved the snowball started rolling
01:14:10this is not about politics this is a boiling point in american history
01:14:16we see some very effective advocacy on behalf of the victims themselves
01:14:22why did he get away with it in 2008 why was jeffrey epstein so protected
01:14:27why was maxwell the only one held accountable when so many others played a role
01:14:31let the public know the truth
01:14:34i speak today not only in service of my own recovery but to honor the lives the courage and sacrifices
01:14:42of virginia dufray
01:14:44and others who could not continue
01:14:48victims of the convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein have paid tribute virginia dufray at a rally
01:14:55in washington dc she took her own life in april this year
01:15:01it made me very sad when she passed this sort of damage you can stuff it down for years and
01:15:08years
01:15:08but the effects will always catch up virginia said it best and i quote
01:15:14they say time can heal but this won't not until the justice system makes an example out of these people
01:15:20with so-called privileges i just call it money people believe her now i mean she won
01:15:29in a sad way
01:15:36so we gather here the steps of the capital to confront these corrupt forces
01:15:44we know we have 212 democrats and we have four republicans courageous republicans
01:15:51the only supporters that i got from my discharge petition on the republican side of the aisle
01:15:56were all women marjorie taylor green lauren bobert and nancy mace
01:16:01they were woken up at 5 a.m in the morning with the president saying f this f that
01:16:08get your effing name off of this thing but to their credit all three of those women stayed strong
01:16:16there was a time when few believed that they would actually be able to get the passage of these files
01:16:25and it was only after it became very clear that trump was going to lose on this vote
01:16:31then finally he claimed to support it
01:16:36we've done a great job and i hate to see that uh deflect from the great job we've done
01:16:42so i'm all for it
01:16:45what eventually happened was a nearly unanimous vote
01:16:49the yeas are 427 the nays are one
01:16:54the bill is passed and without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table
01:17:05mr speaker today's an extraordinary day in this chamber this is about the powerless
01:17:12taking power away from the very powerful when trump back flipped on it the survivors won
01:17:23the senate has passed the bill under unanimous
01:17:26the bill forces the justice department to release epstein file documents within 30 days
01:17:57once the epstein files transparency act became law there was a deadline december 19th for the release
01:18:05of everything
01:18:06of everything
01:18:11with more to come in the coming weeks
01:18:15i could sit at home and just stay on the couch not be involved but i don't know
01:18:20being here is just historic
01:18:23we have a few hours till we find out
01:18:26but we're talking about a ton of information that may take some time just to process
01:18:31the justice department has now begun the release of the epstein files
01:18:38the first release was a blip on the radar not even that there was a picture of bill clinton
01:18:47there was very little about donald trump it was widely regarded to have few major revelations
01:18:55at least 550 pages were fully redacted
01:18:58we have just a fraction right now of what is believed to exist
01:19:02it failed in our book we haven't received full transparency and it's an incomplete release of the files
01:19:09that must be his prison sale
01:19:31that must be his prison sale
01:19:37and six weeks later all of a sudden 3.5 million documents hit the public
01:19:45three million pages of documents 180 000 images and 2 000 videos the latest release of files related
01:19:53to the pedophile jeffrey epstein is shocking in its size and its content
01:19:58of the 180 000 images released these pictures of the king's brother seem to be what everyone is talking about
01:20:05police are assessing claims andrew manfatton windsor shared confidential reports with jeffrey epstein
01:20:13all of a sudden there are global investigations in europe active investigations are now underway in at least 10 countries
01:20:23poland has launched a probe into the epstein files in a search of any potential victims from that country
01:20:29in europe the former prime minister of norway has been charged with gross corruption
01:20:34poland's prime minister also says his country would investigate possible links between the convicted sex
01:20:39offender and russian intelligence services the people who maintained a friendship with epstein
01:20:45communications that they thought were private are now filling the pages of newspapers internationally
01:20:53my gosh was this embarrassing can we start with peter atia elon must spent the entirety of last year
01:21:01saying i refuse to go to the island i refused and then the emails come out where he says when's
01:21:06the
01:21:06wildest party when can i come to your island good lord another very prominent person caught up in all
01:21:11this is bill gates of course claims that he picked up a sexually transmitted disease from a russian woman
01:21:18he's denied that publicly we have this footage where steve bannon is interviewing epstein to try to
01:21:24rehabilitate epstein's image at the same time people are making sense of the 3.5 million files there's
01:21:31congress who is continuing to investigate this and continuing to call witnesses including the attorney
01:21:39general
01:21:44all right getting back to our breaking news attorney general pam bondi is set to testify before the house
01:21:49judiciary committee at any moment now survivors said their identities were exposed because of inadequate
01:21:55redaction well right now we're heading over to the capitol i have a meeting with congressman
01:22:02lou korea after that we'll be heading over to pam bondi's hearing
01:22:18we have congress working on our side and you know they want answers just as much as we do
01:22:26hi lisa nice to meet you pleasure meeting you come on in we have a camera guy following us oh
01:22:31my i
01:22:32i want to take a moment to acknowledge the epstein survivors who are here today
01:22:45i am deeply sorry for what any victim any victim has been through attorney general bondi will you turn
01:22:54to them now and apologize for what your department of justice has put them through with the absolutely
01:23:03unacceptable release of the epstein files and their information
01:23:08i was pretty shocked that she just didn't even turn her head just not even just a little bit just
01:23:22to
01:23:23acknowledge now it doesn't even have to be an apology but to acknowledge that we were there
01:23:28and that we represent 1200 survivors
01:23:33to my right is an email that was sent by the victim's lawyers to the doj it was a list
01:23:39of names
01:23:39not to release they released this email literally the worst thing you could do to the survivors
01:23:46you did and we know you touched the document because you redacted the lawyer's name but you
01:23:52left the survivor's name there so i really have just one question for you how many of epstein's
01:23:58co-conspirators have you indicted how many perpetrators are you even investigating first
01:24:06you showed it you i i find it how many have you excuse me i'm going to answer the question
01:24:11answer my
01:24:12question no i'm going to answer the question the way i want to answer the question your theatrics are
01:24:16the way i asked it i really got to see like in the flesh in person like wow they really
01:24:29are turning
01:24:29a blind eye to this for whatever reason and it only makes you think that there's got to be a
01:24:34real
01:24:34reason why right
01:24:51are you looking at the reaction in europe and the uk and other parts of the world and scratching your
01:24:58head with what's going on here yes i see a different attitude overseas the untouchables
01:25:05are touchable now breaking news about andrew mountbatten windsor the bbc understands that he has been
01:25:13arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office it comes weeks after the justice department
01:25:19released emails andrew allegedly sent to the late sex offender jeffrey epstein in 2010
01:25:26i think for several years we'd always imagined that it could come to this place and he was arrested
01:25:33and i still found myself absolutely speechless for the first couple of hours andrew was serving as a
01:25:39uk trade envoy at the time and appears to have forwarded epstein british government documents on trade
01:25:45policy but this wasn't the story that we were following at all this was something completely different
01:25:49now peter mandelson who was the uk ambassador to the us has also now been arrested and you know
01:25:56it's fascinating to see how far this chain will go we are probably only at the very beginning
01:26:02over two dozen people have resigned ceos members of government worldwide but i haven't seen any arrests
01:26:10or investigations here in the united states from this department of justice as the american journalists
01:26:17looking at everything happening in europe this is how sophisticated democracies react to alarming
01:26:25information they investigate i have nothing to hide i've been exonerated i have nothing to do with
01:26:30jeffrey epstein what we're seeing in the united states is trump's justice department trying to say
01:26:37that there is nothing to see here is there evidence that jeffrey epstein was trafficking girls to other
01:26:44powerful men according to the associated press's review of the files the fbi says no
01:26:51in regards to the sex trafficking and the abuse do you personally know of evidence that exists
01:26:59within the department of justice within the fbi that has not come out yet i do i do
01:27:11you know when you have different girls telling same stories cooperating each other that's powerful
01:27:21really powerful so and again i think we have to believe victims and survivors of this sort of thing
01:27:30i know of people that girls were traded out to that have not come out
01:27:40i tend to believe that this story is going to outlive me because it's filled with so many mysteries
01:27:48things people don't know
01:27:52we don't know the depth of the cover-up yet but i think this will eventually rank up there with
01:27:59uh
01:28:00watergate hopefully the american public is going to continue to care about this story
01:28:06and continue to demand that we get all of the answers
01:28:12we're done laying down and being quiet now we're screaming in public
01:28:19it's a serious question i'm sorry do you think you're the devil himself
01:28:23i don't know why would you say that because you have all the attributes you're incredibly smart
01:28:28you remember the devil is somebody knows that the devil's brilliant jeffrey epstein was the true
01:28:34epitome of evil very polished wealthy well-spoken very intelligent man and he used all of that for evil
01:28:46we do not do this story justice if we think it starts and ends with epstein of course it doesn't
01:28:52it doesn't matter because there is so much further to go
01:28:55so
01:29:10so
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