00:00This is an important day for us because Emanuele Orlandi was discussed in Parliament.
00:04Natalina and Pietro are with us, thank you both.
00:08But I also want to thank Veltroni, Marana, Amici, Giacchetti, Beltrandi and Coscia
00:12because they submitted questions and the Minister responded.
00:18So, we had shown you, we had gone to the demonstration in front of Santa Polinare
00:23to tell you the truth about Emanuele Orlandi, we showed you this photograph.
00:26There is a gendarme and we asked ourselves with you why a gendarme came to take pictures
00:32precisely this demonstration, precisely the people who participated in this demonstration.
00:37The reason for this was also asked in Parliament.
00:39So let's hear what the Minister of the Interior Cancelleri responded.
00:43on this and also on De Pedis' tomb in the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
00:52Mr. Minister, during a demonstration organized by Pietro Orlandi in solidarity
00:57with his sister in front of the Basilica of Santa Polinare, as documented by the broadcast
01:02who saw it, a person photographed the participants and this person turned out to be
01:09belonging to the Vatican gendarmerie, that is to a foreign state which I don't believe has the possibility
01:14to photograph and document the participation of citizens in a demonstration on the ground
01:20of another state.
01:21I note that no facts emerge from the information provided by the public security authority which
01:27have affected the maintenance of public order, also in the form that, upon delegation of the authority
01:32judicial, investigations are underway by the Rome flying squad to identify
01:38the alleged Vatican security agent who allegedly took some photographs during the
01:43of the event.
01:44The second issue concerns the burial of Enrico De Pedis, one of the leaders of the gang
01:49della Magliana, who is buried in Santa Polinare.
01:52From checks carried out at the offices of the Interior Administration, it does not appear that
01:56that neither the Prefecture of Rome nor the general management of Occulte have ever been involved
02:01at the time central articulation of my Castello.
02:04The unsuccessful outcome of the research is probably also related to a further element and in fact
02:12for burials in places located within the Vatican City it applies
02:17in a provision of a derogating and special nature, according to which textually
02:22the introduction of the bodies from the territory and from the Kingdom of Italy into the State of the city
02:28of the Vatican authorized by the governor of that same state.
02:31And to this end, the circumstance that the Basilica of Santa appears even more relevant
02:36Pollinare where the burial of Dependisi took place and located in the territory
02:41of the Vatican City State.
02:44She told us that the legal requirements that were foreseen were not met.
02:51Regarding the nature of the Basilica of Santa Pollinare as part of the Vatican State, I beg you:
02:58to do further investigations because judging from what appears on the site itself
03:03of the Vatican City the Santa Pollinare complex is not included in the
03:10locations that are defined with the criteria of extraterritoriality.
03:15But even if it were, I cannot imagine that another State could decide autonomously.
03:21to move an Italian citizen, for De Pedis the right to burial applies as for
03:26any other citizen and place him in a place under his responsibility.
03:31I would like to add that, in light of this consideration, I cannot accept the idea that the
03:35head of the Magliana gang, head of a criminal structure that was unfortunately
03:40protagonist of some of the most tragic pages of our recent history, is buried in
03:45one of the most important basilicas in Rome.
03:50So why is he buried there?
03:52These documents are truly chilling.
03:55So, De Pedis dies, he dies killed because he was killed, let's face it.
04:00And he is buried in the cemetery of Rome.
04:02What's going on?
04:03On March 6, 1990, Don Vergari, rector of the Basilica of Santa Pellinare, the one from where
04:09Emanuele Orlandi disappears because that day he had gone to take a flute lesson
04:13there, in the buildings next to that basilica.
04:16So, what's going on?
04:17What does he write to Poletti?
04:19Let's see the document.
04:21It is the document of March 6th.
04:22Don Vergari requests permission to place De Pedis in the Basilica of Santa Pellinare.
04:29Which was complicated, by the way, because it had to be moved from the cemetery.
04:33And then, what struck me, Natalina Pietro, who says Vergari to Poletti, the work
04:39burial will be done by artisans and workers specialized in this sector who already
04:44they worked for the burial of the last supreme pontiffs in the Vatican.
04:51That is, it reassured us.
04:52It's not like just any bricklayer does it.
04:54Look, De Pedis will be treated by the craftsmen who worked on the tombs of the
04:59popes.
04:59Well, that's fine.
05:00This is a document.
05:02Poletti says okay, gives the go-ahead and says okay and it's March 20, 1990.
05:08Here it is, the document which is Cardinal Poletti's authorization.
05:12Maybe you can see it too.
05:14Here it is.
05:15So, let's go faster.
05:17What happens now?
05:18But Vergari must say whether this basilica is extraterritorial or not.
05:25In short, I have to say that we don't care whether it's extraterritorial or not.
05:29It is a basilica and the craftsmen of the supreme pontiffs worked on it.
05:34However, he writes to the director of the funeral cemeteries, Pietro Vergari, and writes
05:41that this basilica is the exclusive property of the Apostolic See and has the power to give the property
05:48the structure that believes, without the need for many authorizations, as if to say, this is our home
05:53and we do what we want with it and so we put the boss of the Magliana gang in it.
05:59But that's not the case.
06:00Questioned.
06:00Well, that's what Vergari says because, after all, this is his document, Pietro.
06:04but what is also quite incredible is that De Pedis' wife
06:11she is questioned by the investigators who go to her house and they also ask why
06:16after years of this privileged burial, among other things, she is privileged and she says that
06:22the husband was very fond of the parish priest of the basilica, precisely Don Piero Vergari, he mentions him
06:29Vergari himself, also because he was the chaplain of the prison in Rome,
06:34Queen Celi.
06:35The most absurd thing about this whole affair, excuse me, is that Vergari claims that since
06:40he is a benefactor, De Pedis must be buried there.
06:43By the way, we wonder with whose money the benefactor is doing it, because after all, if he has a criminal record,
06:48if he is a criminal.
06:50Okay, sorry, I'll let you comment later.
06:52We De Pedis, Monsignor Vergari, sorry, we were looking for it, we want to show it to you,
06:57and we want to show you that we looked for it, we asked you, we who did it
07:01seen, but why is De Pedis buried there, something that was also asked today in Parliament
07:07and we see with Gianluca Nappo and he brings us back to Vergari.
07:16Good morning, Monsignor, can you explain to us why De Pedis's tomb is located in a church?
07:20Listen, here it is. Everything, so you know the internet?
07:24Yes. Then you go to www.vergarimonsignorpiero.com, it's all there.
07:31You see?
07:33Your Excellency, may I introduce myself? We haven't even introduced ourselves.
07:36No, listen, you ask with me.
07:37Then, no, I know he doesn't talk to me, but I'm a national of those who have seen him.
07:41I just wanted to ask you for an explanation.
07:43Listen, Mom, you guys go away.
07:44No, I know, but I read what he wrote on the site.
07:48There can't possibly be an explanation.
07:50Eh, there's no explanation there.
07:51It's all there, it's all there.
07:53Listen, father, there.
07:54And what if you with the great voice you heard?
07:56No, the problem is that we started from that, and it's strange, people even resented it
08:01this thing.
08:02It doesn't seem strange to her.
08:03Listen, have a good day, eh.
08:04No, I understand.
08:05Excellent.
08:05But why doesn't he give us an answer?
08:07Excellent.
08:08All there, all there.
08:09HI.
08:11Piedra, are you a soldier?
08:12No, Don Pietro, good morning.
08:14You don't have to forgive me, always Pino Nazio, how are you?
08:16I went to the site to read the story she told us, because when I go out,
08:20I will be the work for whoever saw it.
08:22Everyone tells us, but why did Don Pietro do this?
08:25Yes, I am made of this thing, did you see why?
08:27Because his relatives asked him this.
08:29Yes, can I do it alone?
08:30No, no, no, people are always questions.
08:34No, no, people are always questions.
08:35No, she wrote that as much as she knew.
08:38Please, just this one.
08:39A question from you.
08:41She says she learned it was De Petis from the newspapers.
08:45Then why did he have him buried in there anyway?
08:49Good morning, do you have a question?
08:50we're talking about the garden
08:52All right
08:55I just ask him one question
08:56for you
08:58he makes me do one
08:59All right
09:02just that I swear I won't do it to him anymore
09:04and what he wrote
09:05and exactly on what he wrote
09:07I'm on what she wrote
09:09she wrote that she knew who he was
09:12Before
09:14oh just this
09:16why when she found out
09:18despite this he made love
09:21Until we meet again
09:22I will ask myself at home
09:23Until we meet again
09:26then a modern priest who
09:28uses the internet and sends us there
09:29Natalina, you confirm that in '83
09:32when your sister disappears
09:34it was gone
09:35precisely at the Ludovica di Vittoria institute
09:37to do this flute lesson
09:39the rector, that is, the one who is the boss
09:41of this place of the basilica was right
09:43yes yes well at the time yes it definitely was
09:46Don Vergari
09:46no but the thing that amazes me
09:48maybe I don't get it I don't know
09:51but if there's nothing so strange
09:54but why doesn't he say
09:55why doesn't he speak
09:56why don't you tell us?
09:58how is it instead of saying
09:59go and see on the site
10:00that is not written
10:00little or nothing
10:01also because when you understand
10:02he met him in prison
10:03so he can't not know
10:04No?
10:05it would be much simpler
10:06which he told him calmly
10:08this money also goes to charity
10:10where they came from
10:12he said we don't do mass
10:14because I want to avoid
10:15he said we're not having the funeral
10:17because we want to avoid
10:19they did it at night
10:20it's said like thieves
10:21sorry Peter you have
10:22you want to make an appeal to a person
10:24that approached you
10:26yes yes it has nothing to do with this discussion
10:28of the minister
10:30some time ago
10:31a couple of weeks ago
10:33a person approached me
10:35on the street
10:38he came up to me and said
10:40you are Emanuela's brother
10:41are you Peter?
10:42well look
10:43the person who got into the car
10:46Emanuela
10:46that June 22nd
10:48he is a person you know very well
10:51I was left a little taken aback
10:53I tried to follow him
10:54he was moving forward
10:54he was very elusive
10:56he was going away
10:57I tried to stop you
10:58you can't tell me something like that
10:59after 29 years
11:00there is still no courage to name someone
11:01but only tell half the truth
11:03he says look
11:03I've already talked a lot
11:04I've already said too much
11:06after my insistence
11:07he said
11:07look, go talk to Sabrina Minardi
11:09because she
11:11that June 22nd
11:12he was in the same car
11:14together with Emanuela
11:16I have time to think
11:18about what he had told me
11:18already thinking about how to contact
11:20Sabrina Minardi
11:21that this person
11:21she disappeared in the crowd
11:23then I would like to tell this person
11:25that there are so many
11:26ways to get in touch
11:28writing a letter
11:29calling here
11:30to the radiation of those who saw it
11:33get in touch
11:34with me
11:34to finish saying
11:35the other half truth
11:37because it can't be done continuously
11:38go for years
11:39after 28 years and more
11:40keep saying these little things
11:43I'll even say more
11:45the place where we met
11:46nobody knows
11:47I will be there tomorrow
11:49at that same time
11:49between noon and moon
11:50in that same place
11:51if you are a person
11:52who feels like it
11:53who has a minimum of courage
11:55comes and
11:57and keep telling me things
11:58what he wanted to tell me that day
11:59so thanks to Pietro and Natalina
12:01look at a page that I know
12:02wait for Natalina
12:03that is truly dear to our hearts
12:04of all of you
12:05of all of us
12:06it's one of the most dramatic pages
12:08what happened
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