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00:06Esta es Tierra Take-Two, Common Mark, Soft Sticks.
00:15¿Qué fue la momento más difícil para ti cuando grabaste el show?
00:19La momento más difícil.
00:24¿Tiffany? ¿Maybe?
00:26¿I'm thinking that?
00:28That was very tough for me.
00:29Yeah.
00:31Yeah.
00:34Somebody's back.
00:35Hey, I'm back.
00:37Last time I came here, I tried out.
00:39I didn't get any.
00:40It would have been a big change from hustling to being a glamour girl anyway.
00:45It's cool, you know, I'm used to failing.
00:48Somebody gotta fail, right?
00:49Tiffany, that girl, that girl was my heart.
00:52She didn't make it the first year
00:54Because she got into a fight in a bar
00:56But we mentored her off camera
00:59And said we feel like this show is going to be amazing for you
01:01Let's get you the help that you need
01:02And our team did
01:03I don't jump on people and throw glasses and stuff like that anymore
01:06I'm just not like that anymore
01:09Tiffany grabbed her problems by the reins
01:11She got it together
01:13She came back
01:14That girl wants to change her life
01:19I thought she was going to win
01:20But what happened later
01:22Is the most discussed scene in the history of Top Model
01:28So now it's time for your individual evaluations
01:30The girls were tasked with reading a teleprompter
01:36Christian Lacroix
01:38Christian Loxroy
01:39Christina Loxroy
01:40Filled with all these designer names
01:43A lot of French names
01:44I can't even know that word
01:45None of you girls can read
01:47Pretty much they were set up to fail
01:49Hi, I'm Tiffany
01:51It's Fashion Week in Paris
01:54Technicolor is the name of the game
01:58Can you... I can't do this
01:59I just wanted to change this woman's life
02:02I felt like she could have been a supermodel
02:05With a capital S
02:06Tiffany, the other girls did not know these words
02:09They goofed the words
02:11Go through it
02:12Just have fun with it
02:13Use your personality
02:14Be you
02:15I don't know
02:17If you don't do this
02:18You're going to go home
02:19And I just saw all that going down the drain
02:22I saw her just not believing in herself
02:25And just giving up
02:25And not just giving up on a modeling competition
02:29It's just a deeper
02:32This is familiar
02:35I think she wants it
02:37But she's so intimidated by it
02:38She'd rather say goodbye to it
02:40Before it says goodbye to her
02:41There needs to be something
02:42That really gets the competition going again
02:45They need a wake-up call
02:47Later in that episode
02:48Tyra does something
02:50That she hadn't done before
02:53Both of you will pack your bags
02:54She sent two girls home
03:01Tyra really wanted people to take it seriously
03:05Oh girl, you gotta stop
03:06She's feeling that Tiffany's mocking this
03:10That struck a chord
03:11If you guys stand in front of me
03:13I just want to say one more thing to you
03:14Tiffany, I'm extremely disappointed in you
03:18This is a joke to you
03:19You've been through anger management
03:21You've been through your grandmother
03:22Getting her lights turned off
03:23To buy you a swimsuit for this competition
03:25And you go over there
03:26And you joke and you laugh
03:27Looks can be deceiving
03:28I'm hurt
03:29I am
03:31But I'm sick of crying about stuff
03:33That I cannot change
03:34I'm sick of being disappointed
03:35I'm sick of all of it
03:37I'm not
03:37Thank you
03:38You're not sick of being disappointed
03:39Obviously I am
03:40No, you're not
03:40If you were sick of being disappointed
03:42You would stand up
03:43And you would take control of your destiny
03:45Do you know that you had a possibility to win?
03:47Do you know that all of America
03:48Is rooting for you?
03:51When I see this beautiful girl
03:52Who made some mistakes in the season before
03:55And didn't make it
03:56And then we, you know
03:57Worked with her to get her here
03:59You come in here and look at that
04:00And say, I can't read that
04:01You read ten times better
04:02Than half of those girls over there
04:04And then to see her
04:05Like just kind of giving up
04:07I just
04:08You come in here with a defeatist attitude
04:10I don't have a bad attitude
04:11Maybe I am angry inside
04:13I've been through stuff
04:14So I'm angry
04:14Yes
04:15But this is not
04:16This is not
04:16Be quiet
04:17Be quiet
04:20I have never in my life
04:22The honor of a girl like this
04:23When my mother yells at this
04:25It's because she loves me
04:26I was rooting for you
04:27We were all rooting for you
04:29How dare you
04:31Tyra really
04:32Scared all of us
04:33Like we literally jumped out of our seats
04:35What is happening right now?
04:36It was definitely
04:37The most difficult moment on set
04:39That I had ever experienced
04:41It was ugly
04:42Learn something from this
04:44You roll in your eyes
04:45And you act like this
04:46Because you've heard it all before
04:47You don't know where the hell I come from
04:49You have no idea what I've been through
04:51But I'm not a victim
04:52I grow from it
04:53And I learn
04:53Take responsibility for yourself
04:57When they were done shooting
04:59Production staff
05:00Literally just like
05:01Took Tyra off set
05:03It was very scary
05:05It was like
05:05She went off
05:06And Tyra never went off
05:08Tyra must have really
05:10Saw herself in that girl
05:13I went too far
05:15You know
05:15I lost it
05:17It was probably bigger than her
05:19It was family
05:20Friends
05:20Society
05:21Black girls
05:21All the challenges that we have
05:23So many people saying
05:24That we're not good enough
05:25I think all that was in that moment
05:27That's some black girl stuff
05:29That goes real deep inside of me
05:31But I knew I went too far
05:32I'm not finna break down
05:34For you and nobody else
05:35You ain't there
05:35But bring me here
05:37And put me through hell these weeks
05:38There was a lot more
05:39That was really said
05:40And some of the things
05:42That were said
05:42Were really not well intentioned
05:45I will probably never repeat
05:47The lines that were actually said
05:48In that room that day
05:49All I know is
05:50The next week
05:51We had all the lawyers on set
05:54In all of my interviews
05:56I will always tell people
05:57I feel like the reason
05:58That she yelled at me
05:59Was because she loved me
06:00That was bull
06:01If she loved me
06:02She wouldn't have showed it
06:03The way she showed it
06:05If you love someone
06:07You won't humiliate them
06:10People have tried to make it
06:11Something funny
06:12But it really wasn't
06:21Okay, so it is
06:2412 midnight
06:25And we've already started
06:26Getting the girls ready
06:27In hair and makeup
06:27As I reached cycle eight
06:30I kind of felt things really changing
06:34We were supposed to be showing
06:35The behind the scenes
06:37Of what the fashion world was
06:39Helping change the industry
06:41And I just wanted everyone
06:43To have their best possible shot
06:46But the show had evolved
06:48In a way I'd never expected
06:52There was this version of me
06:54On this show
06:55Which was me
06:56But not really me
06:58Today
06:59We're going to do
07:00The most controversial shoot
07:01We've ever done
07:02On America's Next Top Model
07:04Because Tyra would always reinforce
07:07We need to keep it entertaining
07:08We need to keep people watching
07:09So it's like
07:10How can you be entertaining?
07:13I need you to give me
07:15That kind of strung out look
07:18Hey Michelle
07:19It looks really good
07:22Did you ever have
07:24A moment in which
07:25You went to Tyra
07:27Or to Ken
07:28And be like
07:29I didn't like what you did
07:31To these girls
07:32Just like
07:33This scene was not cool
07:35Of course there were
07:37Gobsmacked moments
07:38Where you watch
07:39And you're like
07:40Oof
07:42Okay
07:43Like
07:43But it was certainly
07:45Not my place
07:46To
07:47You know
07:47I would never
07:50Tell them
07:51I'm like
07:51Oh you should have never
07:52And that
07:53Was slowly depleting me
07:55And kind of
07:56Chipping away
07:57At my soul
08:00So
08:00It was time to tell Tyra
08:02That I wanted to leave the show
08:07Tyra and I
08:08We're at the traditional work relationship
08:11And you work in such close proximity
08:13And traveling together
08:15You know
08:16It becomes
08:16It becomes like a relationship
08:19And I was afraid
08:20Of saying the wrong thing
08:23And I definitely
08:24Did not want to make
08:26Her upset
08:28I tortured myself
08:30Over the decision
08:31It did not come lightly
08:32I didn't discuss it with anyone
08:34Miss J
08:34Like nobody
08:35Like knew
08:38J Manuel
08:40He gives everything
08:41To his chest
08:42He's very secretive
08:46Very very very
08:47Very secretive
08:49Tyra had made a pact with me
08:51Around cycle three or four
08:53She said
08:53When it comes to anything important
08:54Let's always promise each other
08:56We'll come to each other first
08:57So I knew
08:59That I had to tell her first
09:04So
09:04I sent her the email
09:06Just expressing the utter gratitude
09:09For this opportunity
09:10And to be able to
09:12Help her realize this
09:14But also
09:14I was trying to
09:16Kind of
09:16Move on in my
09:18Own life and career
09:20And
09:21She didn't respond
09:24It was probably
09:24The longest three days
09:26Ever
09:27And she ultimately
09:28Wrote back
09:29Just three words
09:35I am disappointed
09:38After that email exchange
09:42All communication
09:43Just stopped
09:44It should have been
09:45The opportunity
09:45To have a heart to heart
09:46But that did not happen
09:48I took a one week
09:50Vacation
09:51In St. Lucia
09:52And then
09:54Reception
09:55Came with an urgent note
09:57For my attorney
09:58I called my attorney
10:00And he said
10:01This is an ask
10:02Coming through business affairs
10:04They said
10:05We just need
10:06A little more time
10:07Can you just do
10:08One cycle for us
10:09Just cycle nine
10:10And then there was a
10:12Warning
10:13That
10:14Strikes
10:15The fear of
10:17God in you
10:18You know
10:19People talk about
10:20Being blacklisted
10:21Those words were not used
10:23But I
10:24Had suspected
10:25That that's what
10:26It would turn into
10:27And
10:29That I didn't know
10:30Who to talk to
10:30Because honestly
10:31The person I would
10:32Always talk to
10:33Was Tyra
10:38And then I tried to
10:39I thought
10:40I thought
10:41I could fix that
10:44I just decided
10:45I thought
10:46You know
10:47One season
10:50You know
10:51What could happen
10:53Take off your blindfolds
10:54This is your home
10:56For the next week
10:57We had to do
10:58The casting episode
10:59Was on the boat
11:00I hadn't spoken to Tyra
11:01I was extremely nervous
11:03Oh my god
11:04So you know
11:05You get your microphone on
11:06And everything
11:07And then we sit down
11:08I was like
11:09Oh
11:10Thank god
11:10I'm thinking a moment
11:11I can just talk to her
11:12I'm like
11:12Oh
11:12Hey Tyra
11:13Like hey
11:13I just wanted to
11:14Real quick
11:17And
11:19That was the first time
11:20I really realized
11:21There was a real problem
11:24She wouldn't speak with me
11:26Is that right here?
11:28Oh
11:28Hey Tyra
11:29Hey girl
11:30And
11:30It was clear
11:32I didn't know what to do
11:33Because I just sat there
11:35And I just
11:35Was the girl
11:36Came in
11:36And we talked
11:37Come on Tyra
11:38I'm a guy
11:38Okay I'll just
11:39She's like
11:40I guess I'll just sit here
11:40Six
11:41Seven
11:41Eight
11:43And then
11:43She leaned over
11:44She put her arm
11:45Around me
11:46What do you think Jenny?
11:48What do you think about her?
11:49She's
11:50I love her
11:51The bitchy bitch
11:52That I've seen like
11:53Hair
11:53Uh oh
11:54Who's the bitchy bitch?
11:55That's what we want to know
11:57So
11:59On camera
12:00We learned to play
12:02Laugh
12:03But it was just clear
12:04I was not
12:06Allowed to
12:07Speak with her
12:08Outside of that
12:09Which
12:10After that first day
12:12I thought there is
12:12Absolutely no way
12:13I'm going to survive
12:14This cycle
12:17When we were shooting
12:18In China
12:19I was tired
12:20And I was scared
12:22Do I remember
12:23Inklings of
12:24There being
12:25Some sort of issue
12:25Here and there
12:26I do
12:27But I had no idea
12:29That it was that raw
12:30I was still trying
12:31To process
12:32What was going on
12:34They always thought
12:35That Jay
12:36They wouldn't want to say
12:37Anything insulting
12:38To Tyra
12:40None of the other girls
12:42Jump
12:42Best shoe
12:43That's her best shoe
12:44Wow
12:45I just
12:46It was
12:47It was
12:48Like
12:49Psychological
12:51Torture
12:52I
12:52I just
12:54I felt broken
12:58Can we talk now
12:59About what happened
13:00With you and Jay
13:03I prefer
13:05I
13:05Yeah
13:06I should call Jay
13:08I don't want to
13:08Do this here
13:10Yeah
13:10But he's a special man
13:16At that point
13:17Hey good morning
13:18My job had changed
13:20I no longer was producing creative
13:23The only thing I was responsible
13:25For producing per my contract
13:27Is the final runway
13:29I was now
13:30Just on camera talent
13:34I
13:35Showed up
13:36Hey girls
13:37Today's photo shoot
13:38Is all about
13:39Da da da da da
13:40They tell you to stand here
13:42And say this
13:42That's your job
13:43And
13:44I started
13:45Really
13:47Paying attention
13:49To
13:50What was starting to happen
13:51Behind the scenes
13:52The hair
13:53I'm seeing
13:53Under the
13:54I ended up with the armpits girl
13:55I thought I was going to get touched
13:57Oh my god
13:57I'll go home and shit
13:58You know how expensive
13:59Retouching is
14:00There were definite photos selected
14:02That we felt
14:03We were like
14:04Wait what
14:04The other thing that really worries me
14:06Is that kind of long drool
14:08Coming off of your chin
14:10That makes no sense
14:11Ken and his team
14:13And Tyra
14:14They knew what they were doing
14:15That is where I started to learn
14:17The art
14:18Of the storytelling
14:19I would really hate
14:21For the judges to say
14:22You know what
14:23She's got the look
14:24She takes pretty pictures
14:25But she's consistently controlled
14:27If there were certain girls
14:29That were not performing well
14:30On a shoot
14:32I would sometimes be pulled aside
14:34And say
14:35Okay
14:35This person
14:37We have this story
14:38We need them
14:39To go forward
14:41At least a couple more episodes
14:42Get us there
14:43We have to let go of the control
14:45Where do you not feel good enough
14:46Tell me
14:47Talk to me
14:48I don't trust myself
14:50Because
14:51If the photos are just crappy
14:52It will become hard to
14:54Say
14:55This person deserves to stay
14:57In the competition
14:57Good job
14:58Before it is a modeling show
15:01It is a television show
15:02I think Nick is great
15:03I love this picture
15:04But Nick's personality
15:06Is so kind of wishy-washy still
15:08Personality
15:09Beat out pictures
15:11Each week that she comes
15:12I am just bored to death
15:16They didn't always choose
15:17Our best picture
15:18You guys use my worst one
15:20You're saying
15:21This is your worst one
15:22Because the other one
15:22I did the lines perfectly
15:23Who doesn't think
15:24It was their best take
15:26Initially
15:26They were really trying
15:27To pull the best shots
15:28But as we started
15:29Getting into story
15:30Then it turned into
15:33We need better story
15:35Out of these shots
15:36So sometimes
15:37And I had no control
15:39Over this
15:40I lost my control
15:43When a girl is eliminated
15:45Another shot was selected
15:47You're giving us
15:48A sort of a high fashion look
15:50But in fact
15:50You just look sleepy
15:52Sometimes, not always
15:53It was not her best shot
15:56And there was a better shot
15:57Oh
15:58The lack of ethics
15:59Behind the scenes
16:01To make quote unquote
16:02Good TV
16:03It's really disturbing
16:06Because for these girls
16:08This is their life
16:09A lot of these girls
16:11Are like
16:11You know
16:11I want to help my mom out
16:12I'm stuck at a dead end job
16:14I have no other recourse
16:16It was life or death
16:18For them
16:19There was
16:20Always been so much more
16:22At stake
16:23Emotionally
16:24In Top Model
16:25Than you have
16:26In a typical reality competition
16:28Which is just a game
16:30Top Model was very different
16:32In that
16:33The prize was
16:35The promise of a career
16:37The chance to be a model
16:39To become America's next top model
16:43For the girls
16:43That were in this show
16:44This was about
16:45Trying to achieve your dream
16:49Dion and Natasha
16:50Please step forward
16:54When I was eliminated
16:56I was
16:58Fucking shocked
17:00I became so numb
17:01I couldn't even move
17:02Did we always get it right?
17:04I don't think so
17:05No
17:05I think sometimes
17:06We eliminated the wrong person
17:07But that's the way it goes
17:10Kayla
17:12When you get that close
17:13You just know it's gonna be your picture
17:15You just know it's gonna be you
17:16You know you're gonna make it
17:18I definitely was crushed
17:21Really wanted to
17:22Be one of the last two
17:24I really thought
17:25It was gonna be me
17:27Maybe we could have done a better job
17:28To let them know that
17:30Not everybody's gonna be a star
17:32I can't go back to doing what I was doing
17:34It was killing me
17:36What happened is
17:37You were filmed packing your bag
17:40Exiting the model apartment
17:42And then a production assistant
17:44Took you to a hotel room
17:46You don't go home
17:47Everyone stays
17:49With the production
17:50Until the very end
17:52For confidentiality reasons
17:54There wasn't a phone available
17:57To call anybody at that time
17:59And then of course
18:00Even if I did
18:02I would not have been able to tell them
18:04Hey I've just been eliminated
18:05I couldn't disclose that information
18:08Did Tyra or any of the producers
18:10Call you later and say
18:12Hey thanks for being gone
18:13No
18:15They were just kind of
18:17Left
18:17Eliminated
18:18It was just awful
18:24I felt sorry for them
18:26But
18:27I just know that
18:28It's dog-eat-dog
18:29World
18:30Out there
18:32In the real world
18:33They eat you up
18:35And spit you right out
18:41As soon as you get off the plane
18:42And go back home
18:43Reality
18:44Sets in
18:46Are you going to take a shot at modeling?
18:48Are you going to try and move to New York?
18:50There is no guidance
18:51You have to figure it out on your own
18:53We were rooting for all of these
18:55Supermodel hopefuls back in the day
18:56Listen I would do where they are now
18:58Videos for the girls of America's
19:00Next Top Model
19:00But the truth is
19:01I don't really know where they at either
19:02I wouldn't say that there were clients
19:04Knocking down doors
19:05Being like
19:06We saw Laura on the show
19:08We really want to hire her
19:09Yeah things didn't work out the way
19:11I was promised and stuff
19:13But life isn't fair
19:15And you move on
19:16Well I'm actually the winner of America's Next Top Model
19:18So
19:20Sorry
19:20You're still not what we're looking for
19:24I couldn't use any of the photos
19:26From America's Next Top Model
19:28In my actual modeling portfolio
19:30The photo shoots were way overly themed
19:32Way too much makeup
19:35I got really far in this competition
19:37But then in real life
19:38I was in the modeling industry
19:41Was nobody
19:44I came to New York several times
19:46To take a stab at
19:48You know trying to get signed to an agency
19:50It did not work out
19:54There was a stigma to being part of a reality series
19:58Not anymore
20:00People would love to be on a reality series
20:03Now to get their brand out there
20:05Because now the world is completely different
20:08What Top Model did was really create
20:11The beginning of influencers
20:13These days everyone is a supermodel
20:16Everyone is an influencer
20:18Everyone is famous
20:20There are tons of people out there now
20:22Going directly to the public
20:24Without the gatekeepers that used to be in place
20:27You take control of your own narrative today
20:30But at that time
20:31It was absolutely not something that you did
20:35The girls that are successful now
20:36Are running
20:39Because the other ones walked first
20:41We opened the door
20:43We slammed it wide open
20:46And so many came through
20:48Eva the diva
20:50Who was 5556
20:52Isis
20:53One of the first trans people
20:56On a huge successful show like that
20:59And Winnie Harlow
21:00Is one of the biggest models
21:02On the planet
21:04Whitney
21:06Our first plus size
21:07Hate the word
21:08Curve
21:09Model to win
21:12When I won
21:14This was like a big deal
21:16That a plus size model
21:18Was winning on the show
21:20And then of course
21:22We got a contract
21:23With elite model management
21:24And they didn't even have a plus division
21:26So it's like
21:27What kind of fucking joke is this
21:28I really had to fight
21:30For a place
21:33But eventually
21:35I ended up being
21:36The first plus size model
21:37For so many massive companies
21:41And finally
21:42These models later
21:43Were able to get that success
21:45But it's on the backs
21:47Of the ones
21:48That opened that door
21:52America's next
21:53Top
21:54Mom
21:55Is
21:56Danielle
21:57Oh
22:00It's me in that picture
22:02Oh my god
22:03That's me
22:03I remember thinking
22:05Life happens
22:06After winning
22:07A&TM
22:08Life begins
22:09Literally
22:10The 12 year old
22:11Danielle is like
22:12We're up
22:13We won
22:14Right
22:15Like we're here
22:15We're here
22:17New York
22:17Professional model
22:18Like it's
22:19Only up from here
22:20I'm like
22:21Come on girl
22:22Mommy
22:22I'm a
22:23Come on girl
22:24But
22:25Those cameras shut down
22:26On top model
22:27And they just threw me
22:28To the wolves
22:33When I moved to New York
22:34In July
22:35I moved right into
22:36The model's apartment
22:38My agent at the time
22:39At Ford
22:41Called me
22:41And she was like
22:42You need to come in
22:42To the agency
22:47The energy
22:48At the agency
22:49Was just like
22:50Off-putting
22:51It was cold
22:53It was a very like
22:54Cold
22:55Interaction
22:56And that was the
22:57Hardest thing
22:58Because
22:59I'm new
23:00To the industry
23:02I'm signed
23:03To you guys
23:04But it was kind of
23:04Like I was the
23:05Redhead stepchild
23:07Or better
23:07Yet the black sheep
23:09Like why are you here
23:11And I sat in the
23:12Models apartment
23:13For months
23:15Never going on
23:16Castings
23:18Did you know
23:19Of other girls
23:20Around you
23:20Who weren't on the show
23:21That were thriving
23:24Thriving
23:24Like I lived in the
23:28Models apartment
23:28With Shaneli Mann
23:31Who went on
23:32To become like
23:32A very prominent
23:34Top model
23:36And I remember
23:37Her coming home
23:38This one day
23:39This one morning
23:40She was like
23:41I finally asked
23:42Our agent
23:43Why you never
23:44Have castings
23:45Whenever I go
23:46Get the castings
23:47For all the girls
23:47And she said to me
23:49Well we have to
23:50Treat Dani differently
23:50Because she came
23:51From top model
23:57That was
23:58A hard
23:59Hard pill
24:00To swallow
24:02My experiences
24:04Mirrored that
24:05I remember my
24:06First show season
24:07I didn't book
24:08Any shows
24:09What I was told
24:11Was that
24:12No one wanted
24:14To book me
24:14For their shows
24:15Because I was
24:17Viewed as like
24:17This reality star
24:19And designers
24:20Didn't want me
24:21Walking in the show
24:22To take attention
24:23If you will
24:24Off of their
24:24Collection
24:25And on to myself
24:27And so
24:28I knew very early on
24:30That oh
24:31Top model
24:32Has a stigma
24:34I've already lived
24:3620 years
24:37In the real
24:38Modeling industry
24:39And got my ass
24:39Handed to me
24:41So I was never
24:42Able to rise
24:43To the level
24:43That I could have
24:44Or should have
24:47What angers me
24:48The most
24:49Is the conversation
24:50That Tyra had
24:51With me
24:52Years later
24:54She told me
24:55That
24:58She was like
24:58I knew
24:59That there were
24:59Certain doors
25:00That you couldn't
25:01Even get into
25:03Because you did
25:04Top model
25:06And I did
25:06Nothing about it
25:09And she said to me
25:10I always rode
25:11The fence
25:11With you
25:21And that's when
25:22I said respectfully
25:22Tyra you have
25:23No fucking idea
25:25How painful
25:27It has been
25:28For me
25:30You have no
25:31Fucking idea
25:34But for you
25:35To admit to me
25:36All these years
25:3715 years later
25:38I know the hell
25:39That you've been
25:40Going through
25:40I know that you
25:41Couldn't even
25:42Walk through the
25:42Threshold of certain
25:44Doors
25:44And so to have
25:46Her
25:46A black woman
25:48Say to me
25:51Over the phone
25:52That I knew
25:52You were struggling
25:53And I did
25:54Nothing about it
25:55What
25:57You don't gotta
25:58Support me
25:59You don't even
25:59Gotta like me
26:00But don't
26:01See me in my
26:02Suffering
26:02And just walk
26:03Past me
26:05That's so
26:06Fucked up
26:10They built
26:11A whole empire
26:12Multi-million dollar
26:14Brand
26:15Known as
26:15America's Next
26:16Top Model
26:16Off the backs
26:17Of every girl's
26:18Dream that did
26:19That show
26:19And it never
26:20Became realized
26:23The vast majority
26:25Of the girls
26:26Were kind of
26:27Right back at
26:27Square one
26:28Or even worse
26:32After the show
26:34I felt really broken
26:37Can you tell me
26:39What happened
26:39With Tyra
26:40Later on
26:41When she invited
26:42You to her talk show
26:44Um
26:46It's a Top Model
26:47Reunion today
26:48And don't forget
26:48To check out
26:49Season 5
26:49When it premieres
26:50Tonight on
26:51UTN
26:53She was asking me
26:54About what happened
26:55In Milan
26:56And I told her
26:57I'd never seen it
26:58It just brought up
26:59Too many things
26:59And then I was like
27:00I can't watch
27:01This show anymore
27:02And then she just
27:03Puts it on the screen
27:04In front of me
27:05I'm gonna roll
27:06A little clip
27:06That a lot of us
27:07Remember
27:15And I don't look
27:16At it
27:17She's like
27:18I noticed
27:18You weren't looking
27:19Sandy you weren't
27:20Watching that
27:20You're looking down
27:21How come you
27:22Can't watch that
27:22I just can't do it
27:23Really
27:24It brings back
27:24Like all the old
27:25Stuff
27:26Oh yeah
27:27I'm like
27:27I literally told you
27:28Behind the scenes
27:29Like
27:30I've never seen it
27:31I don't want to see it
27:32Don't show it
27:33And you didn't respect that
27:35At all
27:38That's awful
27:40That was miserable
27:43Miserable
27:45That behavior
27:46Doesn't stop
27:48Her behavior
27:49Doesn't
27:50Doesn't change
27:51Everybody wants to know
27:53Did you
27:53Are you still with
27:54Your boyfriend
27:54I'm single now
27:55You're single
27:56Yeah
27:57Why did you guys
27:58Break up
27:58Um
27:59Well he couldn't
27:59Get over it
28:00He couldn't get over that
28:01But you guys
28:01Were together for like
28:02I remember after
28:03You were together
28:04Me and Eric
28:05We tried
28:08But he really tried
28:09I mean he
28:10Moved with me
28:11To New York
28:13After the show
28:15But it would suck
28:16When I'd be walking
28:17With Eric down the street
28:18And somebody recognized me
28:19And called me a slut
28:20To my face
28:22Our cheating whore
28:23Eric standing right
28:25Next to me
28:26That was fun
28:28It made me hate myself
28:31If you want drama
28:32Try putting 13
28:33Inspiring young models
28:34In a house
28:35To see who will become
28:36America's next top model
28:37I am proud
28:39Of my top model girls
28:43After the top model
28:44We thought
28:46One of us was gonna
28:49Be with a top modeling agency
28:51And that was gonna be
28:52Our new career
28:56No
28:59Were you the one
29:01That went
29:01Was on that modeling thing
29:03Oh
29:03Still working at Walgreens
29:08You're all going to be
29:10Blind
29:10As a bat
29:12I don't like semen
29:14Ignite that flame
29:16Shooting
29:16In a Greek salad
29:18No
29:23As the show
29:24Went on
29:25Dawn had left
29:28And there was a new president
29:29That came in
29:30Mark Pedowitz
29:32I remember
29:32I was getting a phone call
29:34From the network
29:35Every day
29:36Saying they need to talk to me
29:37They need to talk to me
29:39And I just kept putting it off
29:41Putting it off
29:42Putting it off
29:43My assistant would
29:44Be telling me this
29:45They really need to talk to you
29:46They really need to talk to you
29:48And finally
29:50The head of the network
29:51He said
29:52Get her on the phone
29:53Now
29:56I took his call
29:57And I'll never forget
30:00He said
30:02The show is the biggest thing
30:03In the world
30:05But
30:05It will always be
30:08And it's taking a dip
30:10The head of the network
30:11The head of the network said
30:12The show is in a mature phase
30:13And
30:14We need to make a significant change
30:16And there are no
30:18Sacred
30:19Cows
30:22You have to
30:23Let go
30:24Of
30:26This
30:26This
30:27And this
30:28Three of my hearts
30:33Mr. J
30:34Miss J
30:36And Nigel
30:38It shocked me
30:40I was like
30:40What?
30:41There was no need
30:42To replace them
30:45For my birthday
30:46Tyra
30:47Sent me flowers
30:48I said
30:50Oh
30:50How sweet
30:51It was a note
30:52Happy birthday
30:53Love Tyra
30:56And then
30:57I was fired
30:58Five days later
31:02Eleven girls
31:03Stand before me
31:04But I only have
31:05Ten
31:06Photos
31:07In my hands
31:09I
31:09Remember them saying
31:10We've decided
31:11We're going to go
31:11In a completely
31:12Different direction
31:13We were not going
31:14To be renewed
31:15The girl that I do not
31:16Call must immediately
31:17Return to your house
31:19Pack your belongings
31:21And go home
31:22You want to talk about
31:23Being slapped across the face
31:24And then slapped right back
31:26If I honestly had to
31:27Publish this picture
31:27I would crop you
31:28Right out of it
31:29Come on
31:30Give me a break
31:31I was just finding the show
31:33You look like
31:33When Moses parked
31:34The red seat
31:35That you were
31:35On the other side
31:35Fishing
31:36That's how old you look
31:37And then my
31:38Ratings are down
31:40We're cutting the fat
31:42Off the show
31:42That bringing the ratings
31:43Down was the implication
31:45That it was us three
31:46That was really tough
31:48It was
31:48It's somewhat mercenary
31:50Unless you are Tyra Banks
31:52I'm afraid you're expendable
31:53And they will swap you out
31:54Just like that
31:58Ciao
32:03As people got eliminated
32:04On our show
32:05We also got eliminated
32:07We have three cards
32:08In front of us
32:08And none of you
32:09Have made it
32:12So Tyra
32:13What did you think
32:14Of her
32:16That is in your light
32:17Trust me
32:18What did I think?
32:19What did you think?
32:20What is this for?
32:21I don't know
32:21Just a different angle
32:22Don't put it on your website
32:24Don't put it on my website
32:26When I wanted to leave
32:29I wasn't afforded that
32:31And then
32:33I work on this show
32:35From cycles
32:3610 through 18
32:38I made so many concessions
32:45That's the part
32:46That's the most hurtful
32:49We were going to put out
32:50One joint press release
32:52And they said
32:54We would all get a quote
32:55In this press release
32:56We see it all the time
32:58In television shows
32:59People saying
32:59So and so
33:00And so and so
33:01Have decided to part ways
33:03And Tyra
33:04She's like
33:05We'll put out
33:05In our press release
33:06How we're going to
33:07Continue to work together
33:08And blah blah blah
33:09So we agreed to that
33:13Tyra Banks
33:14Has fired her panel
33:15Of experts
33:16Oh my god
33:17There was a leak
33:19To page six
33:20That said
33:21The three of us
33:21Were fired
33:22Banks booted
33:23Judges Nigel Barker
33:24J Manuel
33:24And Miss J
33:25In a stunning
33:27Top model house cleaning
33:28I said
33:29Oh
33:30A leak to page six
33:32That show
33:33The way we ran
33:33Confidentiality
33:34And we're on
33:35These conference calls
33:35There's no leak
33:36To page six
33:37Anyone can assume
33:38Where that came from
33:39You now put that
33:41Out there
33:41That way
33:42And we can't undo that
33:43No matter what we say
33:44I mean that's the double slap
33:46That's the part that
33:48You then have to live with
33:49That was probably
33:51The lowest point
33:53For me
33:55Nigel
33:56I just remember
33:57Him being
33:58And I didn't know him
33:59To be this way
34:00I could feel
34:02It was quite palpable
34:03How upset he was
34:06It was difficult
34:07Because I didn't have
34:09A backup plan
34:10At that point
34:10Because I had been
34:11On top model
34:12For 17 seasons
34:13And I had been
34:14Really in the show
34:15Kind of growing up
34:16With my family
34:17On America's next top model
34:18It was disappointing
34:19And I felt
34:20A little bit
34:21Like betrayed
34:23Why would you not
34:24Allow people
34:25Who've been a part
34:26Of your show
34:27Since its inception
34:28To move forward
34:30In their career
34:30With grace
34:32It gives people
34:33Their dignity
34:36It was very deliberate
34:40I'd heard them
34:42Say on set many times
34:44What do we gotta do
34:45To create drama
34:50We were gonna be
34:51The drama
34:52For the very first time
34:53The three stars
34:55Of America's next top model
34:57Were all just fired
34:58By Tyra Banks
34:59In their first
35:00TV interview
35:01Together
35:01As soon as the news broke
35:03You guys saw the headlines
35:04I'm sure
35:04As soon as they were coming out
35:05And all said
35:05Judges fired
35:06That's how people
35:07Were putting it
35:08Do you feel blindsided
35:10By what happened
35:11I think more than anything
35:12I feel a little sad
35:14Well I got flowers
35:15Last week
35:16To me
35:17By Tyra
35:18To soften the blow
35:20That's what I kind of
35:21Thought
35:22I said to myself
35:24Hmm
35:25Hmm
35:26I just said
35:26Then why it doesn't
35:27What I'm also interested
35:28To know is
35:29If this in any way
35:31Is kind of a relief
35:32I mean let's face it
35:33I worked with Tyra
35:35From way back when
35:36Her reputation
35:37Precedes her
35:38She is tough
35:39To work for
35:39And then of course
35:41The question
35:41That was posed
35:42Directly to me
35:43How tough
35:44Was Tyra to work for
35:47Jay grabs my knee
35:49Like go ahead girl
35:50Like it's
35:51I was like
35:53Jay like
35:54Why are you doing
35:55This to me
35:56We had to speak
35:57Very carefully
35:58You know
35:59Contractually
36:00At the time
36:01You know
36:02There are only
36:02Certain things
36:03You can speak about
36:04Around production
36:05And what have you
36:06Legally
36:07Ken
36:08Tyra
36:08They were all
36:09Watching us live
36:10I know that
36:11And I just thought
36:12She's waiting
36:13For my answer
36:14And
36:15Well you know
36:16Here's the thing
36:17I'm a perfectious too
36:19I usually demand a lot
36:20You know
36:21For people who work with me
36:22No it's true
36:22Can you imagine
36:23He's like
36:24No I can't
36:25You know it is
36:26And I think
36:26That was actually
36:27Our initial connection
36:27I still really respected her
36:29As a model
36:30And a business mind
36:31In terms of her being
36:33Specifically difficult
36:35Or rude
36:36That's not Tyra's
36:37She's not the type of person
36:39To walk out
36:39And out to
36:40She just has a very strong
36:41Work ethic
36:41And knows what she wants
36:43I'm sure we all do
36:44Yeah
36:44Let me just ask you
36:45Before we go
36:45It felt like the culmination
36:46Of how our entire relationship
36:49And how I always viewed her
36:51I have to do
36:54Something to fix
36:55And bridge the gap
36:56Like I
36:58That's how I looked at it
36:59And that's just who I was
37:02Fierce and love
37:03To my Nigel Barker
37:05Mr. J. Manuel
37:06And Miss J
37:07America's next top model
37:08Turn us into a family
37:09Excited
37:10That was probably
37:11Some of the hardest news
37:12I have ever had to deliver
37:13In my existence
37:15I cried myself
37:17To sleep that night
37:19You know
37:19They were there
37:20From the beginning
37:22Best friend
37:23In the bed
37:23Coming up with photo shoots
37:26Backstage at fashion shows
37:27Hanging
37:27Laying on them
37:29Some of the closest people
37:30To me in my life
37:33And me and Ken
37:34Have to deliver that news
37:37That the deal is up
37:38That it is over
37:40You can imagine
37:41What that feels like
37:45But bosses have bosses
37:47And the big boss
37:49Was very clear
37:49There are no sacred cows
37:51And I heard that meaning
37:53You too Tyra
37:55So pick up the phone
37:57And do what I'm telling you
37:59To do
38:03And the thing is
38:06I don't believe
38:07I don't believe
38:07That they knew
38:08That it came from above
38:10No matter
38:11How much
38:12Ken and I
38:13Were explaining
38:14This was not our decision
38:16To this day
38:17I think they think
38:19That it was me
38:20And Ken
38:22Yeah
38:23She was willing
38:24To do anything
38:25For her show
38:26However you want
38:27To look at that
38:28Clearly
38:28Even in that situation
38:30She would do anything
38:31For the success
38:32Of her show
38:42Patrick I'm totally
38:43Freaking out right now
38:44Ty why
38:45It's the 19th cycle
38:47Oh 19th cycle
38:48I need a whole new
38:49Direction for the new season
38:50A total H2T makeover
38:52It's got to be fierce
38:53It's got to be totally amazing
38:55It's got to be
38:56Totes Amaze
38:58A lot of reality shows
39:00Fall into this trap
39:02Of trying to stay relevant
39:05This cycle
39:06I opened up the competition
39:07Exclusively
39:08To girls 5, 7 and under
39:10Trying to reinvent
39:11You think you're about to see
39:12A typical episode
39:13Of Top Model
39:14Don't you
39:14I'm going to take a cue
39:15From Twitter King
39:16And ultimate prankster himself
39:17Ashton Kutcher
39:18And so they lean on gimmicks
39:21They jump the shark
39:22I went through
39:23All the past cycles
39:24And brought back
39:25Your favorite
39:26I made everything
39:28Bigger
39:29I'm talking
39:30Celebrities as mentors
39:31The Kardashians
39:33Ready
39:34Set
39:35The fire kind of
39:37Went out a little bit
39:38The British are coming
39:39The British are coming
39:40May the best rick
39:42Or the best yank win
39:43It hit me after
39:45Graduating from Harvard
39:46We just have to do
39:47A college cycle
39:48All of these
39:50Big changes
39:52That kind of
39:52Reeked of desperation
39:54Was just writing
39:55On the wall
39:56I'm making you
39:57A judge
39:57You, the fan
39:59Have a voice
40:00In the judging room
40:01They thought
40:02By us leaving
40:03That people would come back
40:04And watch
40:05To see what the new guard
40:07Was like
40:07And it was going to be
40:08A ratings bump
40:09The ratings went down dramatically
40:12And then continue to decline
40:14Quite rapidly
40:15Up to now
40:16You know there were no poise
40:17Allowed on top model
40:18But that was then
40:18And this is now
40:19I can smile
40:21It just felt like
40:23This empire
40:24Was crumbling
40:25Right before our eyes
40:30It's very important
40:31That when you tooch
40:32Your booty
40:33That you don't
40:34Hootie tooch it
40:35She is
40:36Cuckoo
40:37Each and every girl
40:39On the planet
40:39Has a chance
40:40To be one of the
40:41Inuit
40:42Top model's
40:43Very first
40:44Face wave
40:45Top medium
40:46It's a twist
40:48On top model
40:49I don't think you deserve
40:50For me to tell you
40:50What that means
40:51Over 100 million
40:53This is some nonsense
40:55Like I don't even
40:56Like what are we doing
41:08After cycle 22
41:09The network came back to me
41:11And said
41:11We don't want Tyra
41:12To be the host of the show
41:15And I'm like
41:16You're crazy
41:17She is the show
41:20No
41:21Sacred
41:22Cows
41:26This is my baby
41:28That was my life
41:30It was like
41:31My right hand
41:32Was gone
41:33Welcome to America's
41:34Next top model
41:38They replaced Tyra
41:40We got a new host
41:42And you know
41:43Everything changed
41:44And that's when
41:45I was like
41:46I'm logging off
41:49They've lost the plot
41:53America's next top model
41:54Stayed on the air
41:55For 24 cycles
41:57And by the end
41:59We kind of
42:00Mutually decided
42:01That we didn't
42:01Want to do it anymore
42:02It had run its course
42:03Times were changing
42:05And it was
42:06Probably just time
42:07To put it down
42:07And do something different
42:11What happened
42:12After the show
42:13Is because I became
42:15Known for doing
42:15Such elaborate photo shoots
42:17I also got booked
42:18To do those sorts
42:19Of shoots in real life
42:21I shot an entire book
42:23With Taylor Swift
42:24I ended up working
42:26With Miss Universe
42:27And Miss USA
42:28You don't already know
42:30If you're living under a rock
42:30It is J Manuel
42:31People knew me
42:33As a personality
42:33So I ended up
42:35With a contract
42:35With E
42:36I did a cosmetic company
42:38And eventually
42:39I wrote a novel
42:40The wig
42:41The bench
42:42And the meltdown
42:42The book is
42:44Really inspired
42:45By my life
42:46In the whole
42:47Kind of crazy world
42:48Of reality TV
42:49And the entertainment industry
42:50Let's just be clear
42:51It's a novel
42:54Jay has just been
42:55Off on a top
42:57Model tour
42:58I went on to do
42:59A job on Russia
43:01China
43:02As well
43:03I am here
43:04With Jay Alexander
43:06A legend
43:07In the fashion world
43:08And a huge part
43:09Of the success
43:10Of our fashion program
43:11At SCAD
43:12I was at SCAD
43:13For 15 years
43:16How do I maintain
43:18My icon status
43:19Very simple
43:20Be me
43:21And being authentic
43:23I have always been
43:24Authentic
43:28But then
43:31Everything changed
43:36Okay so here's my room
43:38That I
43:39I have been living in it
43:41For
43:43One year
43:44And
43:46Five months maybe
43:52On December 27th of 2022
43:55I had a stroke
44:01Then I woke up
44:03I didn't know where I was
44:05Other than in the hospital
44:12I turned five weeks
44:13In a coma
44:15And I couldn't walk
44:18And I couldn't talk
44:22And I thought to myself
44:24What was I going to do
44:25And that I couldn't walk
44:27And that I couldn't speak
44:34It was emotional
44:35I cried
44:38I'm not ashamed to say
44:40That I cried
44:42And then once
44:42I was in the hospital
44:47That Jay and Nigel
44:48Came to visit
44:51I don't know whether
44:52He even wanted me
44:53To see him in that way
44:54I was going to go see him
44:57And that was just
44:59Such a terrible shock
45:01And really upsetting
45:03And horrifying
45:03And scary
45:07I could feel how upset
45:09He was for sure
45:11I can only imagine
45:12Where he was in his mind
45:13You know
45:14When he saw me
45:15He was like happy
45:16To see me
45:17And the two of us
45:18Cried together
45:18And I held him
45:21I thought back to
45:22How we used to do
45:24Shows together
45:26I cried because
45:27I just miss them
45:29So much
45:34You're looking great Jay
45:37Thank you
45:37This hair though
45:38I'm sick with
45:39Because it's just so
45:40Pretty and long
45:41I know
45:44I'm glad we are together
45:48And um
45:48We're glad too mate
45:51It's really good
45:52To see you mate
45:55Yeah
45:55Really special
45:57It has been
45:58A journey
45:58And you're speaking
45:59So much better now
46:00Yeah
46:02You are battling through
46:03When we first saw you
46:05In that hospital
46:06You could hardly move
46:07Hardly talk
46:07And now you're sitting up
46:09Doing an interview
46:10Chatting, talking
46:11Rolling your eyes
46:12Making us laugh
46:14It's a long journey
46:15But you're going to get there
46:19I know
46:20It's been really
46:20Really hard mate
46:23The thing is
46:24You're here though
46:25That's the thing
46:26I know
46:29Come on
46:46I miss being the queen
46:47That's the catwalks
46:49Of course
46:53I'm the person
46:54I took miles out of walk
46:58I took miles out of walk
47:01And now I can't walk
47:04Not yet
47:06Not yet
47:08I'm determined to walk
47:10I'm sure you're going to see me again
47:12I'm sure
47:14Is that all for me yet?
47:17You want to take a selfie?
47:18Since our last selfie was 2019
47:20Come on then
47:21We got to do it
47:24All right
47:25We're going to wipe the lens
47:27Okay
47:33Did Tara come and visit you?
47:35No, not yet
47:38She just sent me a text
47:40She wants to come and visit me
47:43But um
47:45No
47:46Not yet
47:53Tyra
47:54How you doing Tyra?
47:55Hello
47:56Tyra Banks here
47:58I am a supermodel
47:59Turned super business woman
48:01After the show
48:02I had so many different ideas
48:05For my life
48:05I'm obsessed with pivoting
48:08The fashion icon
48:10Has launched a flagship ice cream store
48:12In Sydney
48:12And I live in Australia now
48:15I feel like my work is not done
48:20You have no idea what we have planned
48:22For cycle 25
48:28With everything you went through
48:31Would you ever do top model again?
48:35I would say
48:37Do it at your own risk
48:40Of course I'd love to do something like that again
48:43But not do that again
48:44If you know what I mean
48:46It didn't age well
48:48But it was also a reflection of the time
48:50That's exactly how it was
48:52The only reason the door was open to me
48:55Was because of Tyra
48:58I do feel like Tyra's intentions
49:00In the beginning
49:01Were good
49:02But that shit got lost
49:04We were very young girls
49:06And we were put into
49:08A very mature adult world
49:10Really fast
49:11That was hard
49:12We were just girls
49:17I had a young person
49:18Woke up to me yesterday
49:19And they were like
49:20Weren't you on that show?
49:24That's amazing
49:24To see how this show
49:26Has impacted so many people
49:28For so long
49:30So yeah
49:30Tyra Banks very much disappointed me
49:33But at the end of the day
49:35We're at a place now
49:36Where we can say
49:37You know what?
49:37This is not acceptable
49:38Let's do something different
49:39This has been a long time coming
49:42I'm re-watching
49:43America's Next Top Model
49:44Hard show to watch in hindsight
49:46There's a lot of darkness
49:48In Top Model
49:49That makes me look at it
49:50Differently than I did
49:51When I was a kid
49:54Looking at that show
49:55Through the lens of today
49:57It's like
49:58Woo, why did you do that?
49:59Why did you do that?
50:00Okay, Tyra said
50:00Yeah, she made some shit
50:01She did some shit
50:02You know, she said some shit
50:03And I thank you for that
50:06That is the only way you change
50:08That is the only way you get better
50:10Is by somebody calling you out on your shit
50:15It is important
50:17And I want to let you know
50:19That I want you guys to be
50:21Just as open as I am now
50:23About getting called on my shit
50:24But when somebody calls you out on yours
50:26Because that day will come
50:28And continue to evolve
50:31Because that's what we're all doing
50:33Cornette is absolutely ridiculous
50:36Perfect time to stop
50:41Thank you
50:42Thank you
50:44I mean, I can hang out
50:46It's not
50:46Like, if you want
50:49What have you been up to?
50:51Yeah, I got the keys to the city
50:54I got the keys to the city, girl
50:58It's cute
50:58Here I am now
51:00I'm a small business owner
51:02As well as a realtor
51:04Was thinking I was going to be an actress
51:05And which I am
51:06And will become
51:07And there's great roles out there for me
51:08So go ahead, producers
51:09Make it work
51:10I auditioned for a home improvement show
51:12And I got it
51:13And it changed my life completely
51:16Starting my own business
51:17In construction
51:18And carpentry
51:20Hung up the heels
51:21Grabbed my tool belt
51:22Did real estate in Manhattan
51:23As a rental agent
51:25For six or seven years
51:27Hated it
51:28And then I joined a theater group
51:30In New York
51:31And so I'm back
51:34Actually ended up buying
51:35This really cute little ice cream shop
51:37Called The Pink Pelican
51:39We travel the world
51:40And have ice cream
51:42That's my life now
51:43You and Cyra have an ice cream shop
51:45I know
51:45What the fuck
51:46She copied me
51:47Okay
51:47I had the ice cream shop first
51:49I started working with violent offenders
51:52Leading trauma informed care
51:54And I love it
51:55It's very hard
51:58But this is the most fulfilling work
52:00That I have done yet
52:01I take care of animals for a living
52:03I want to live on a farm
52:05And have like a sanctuary for animals
52:09You know
52:10And have always loved animals
52:13Dissolving my contract
52:14And walking away from the industry
52:15Has been the best decision of my life
52:18Getting to know Danielle
52:19Not Danny
52:20But Danielle
52:23I just felt like the industry
52:24Was vain
52:26I was like
52:27I want purpose
52:27I want to impact someone's life
52:29I learned so much
52:31About
52:33God's grace
52:34I am now a post coach
52:36Helping develop aspiring models
52:38So that they understand
52:40Hey
52:40You don't have to be a particular size
52:42You don't have to be a particular weight
52:44There's space for you
52:45And if there isn't space for you
52:47We're going to make this space
52:57You don't have to be a particular size
53:18Gracias.
53:48Gracias.
54:18Gracias.
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