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Médio Oriente: guerra não é da Europa? Eurodeputados debatem no The Ring
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00:07Olá, e bem-vindo a The Ring,
00:10Eurie News's weekly debate show
00:12broadcasting from the European Parliament
00:14here in Brussels.
00:16On The Ring,
00:17elected members of the European Parliament
00:19go one-to-one
00:21on some of the biggest challenges
00:23facing the European Union today.
00:26With fire and fury all across the Middle East,
00:28today we're asking if the European Union
00:31should use its leverage
00:32to try to encourage President Donald Trump
00:35to stop what they say is not Europe's war.
00:38Luis Alberto has more.
00:42With the US-Israeli war in Iran
00:45now entering its third week,
00:47Europe finds itself navigating
00:48an increasingly volatile geopolitical landscape.
00:53Last week, EU leaders gathered in Brussels
00:55to discuss the situation in the Middle East,
00:57stressing the need for de-escalation,
00:59the protection of civilians,
01:01and restraint in targeting critical infrastructure.
01:05Leaders also underline the need
01:07to keep the vital Strait of Hormuz shipping lane open
01:10to mitigate energy supply disruptions
01:12as much as possible.
01:14Following last week's summit,
01:16more and more EU leaders are following an approach
01:18rooted in modularism and de-escalation.
01:21Chancellor Merz,
01:22who initially showed understanding
01:24for the US and Israel's strikes,
01:26is now distancing himself
01:27from the Trump administration's approach,
01:29as are many others.
01:32With European leaders choosing to stay largely
01:34on the sidelines of the conflict for now,
01:37what role should Europe take?
01:38And can it safeguard its economic interests
01:41at a time when consumers
01:42are already under pressure
01:43from high energy costs?
01:48The questions that we have
01:49for our contenders,
01:51let's meet them.
01:53Özlem Demirel,
01:54a German MEP from the left group.
01:57She's a member of the Committees
01:58on Foreign Affairs and Security and Defense,
02:00a consistent critic of militarization
02:03and EU defense policy.
02:04She argues that increased arms spending
02:07fuels conflict rather than resolving it.
02:10In the context of the war in Iran,
02:11she said,
02:12Bombs fall,
02:13the stock markets rise,
02:15people die.
02:16Israel and the United States
02:17don't care about the people of Iran.
02:20Rio Terras,
02:22an Estonian army general
02:23and MEP from the
02:24Central-Right European People's Party.
02:26He is the vice president
02:28of the Security and Defense Committee
02:30at the European Parliament.
02:31A cheerleader for defense spending,
02:33he has stated,
02:34We have talked about defense
02:36and strategic autonomy for years,
02:38yet decisions stall,
02:40investments and innovation lag.
02:41Before blaming others,
02:43Kaya Callas and other EU leaders
02:45should ask themselves
02:46what they have done to change this.
02:50Özlem Demirel and Rio Terras,
02:53welcome to The Ring.
02:55As regular viewers will know,
02:57the objective here on The Ring
02:59is to show people back home
03:00how debates here
03:02in the European Parliament
03:03actually function
03:04and how you sometimes
03:05and sometimes not reach compromises.
03:07Are you ready?
03:08Yes.
03:08So, first question,
03:10Rio Terras,
03:11do you support Trump
03:12and Israel's war in Iran?
03:14I think the Ayatollah regime
03:16has violated human rights
03:19in Iran for 47 years
03:22and it needed to be done something
03:24and all the efforts
03:25of diplomacy did not work.
03:28But I am not sure
03:29the way it was launched today
03:31was the right way.
03:32I think launching a military operation
03:35you need to know
03:36what the desired political end state is
03:38and I cannot see
03:40the desired political end state today.
03:42I understand it could be
03:44the regime change,
03:45but you are not able
03:46to change the regime
03:47with only poorly military means,
03:51but the military means
03:52are necessary
03:53to force your ideas.
03:55and I think
03:57it should have been discussed
04:00with the Allies beforehand also.
04:02These are the,
04:03that's why I don't see
04:05the current moment
04:06the end state.
04:08What about yourself,
04:09Aslem?
04:09I'm rejecting this war totally
04:11and I want to say
04:13that we know
04:14from the history
04:15that military means
04:17and military interventions
04:18and wars never brought
04:20democracy to this region.
04:22So I want this war to stop.
04:23And what would you have done
04:25then in that case
04:26to get rid of the regime?
04:28Look,
04:29my family has Kurdish roots.
04:32So it's not like this
04:34that I'm supporting this regime
04:36in any way.
04:36I don't do it.
04:37And this regime
04:38is a brutal regime
04:40oppressing his own people.
04:43And this regime has to gun.
04:45But the gun of this regime
04:48never could be
04:49an intervention
04:50from foreign forces.
04:52So we have to stop this war
04:54and to support
04:55the people of Iran
04:58to get a better future.
04:59And of course,
05:00the regime is still there.
05:01Moshab al-Khamenei
05:02is now the new supreme leader.
05:04And of course,
05:05the goal of Donald Trump
05:07in principle
05:08was to get rid of the regime.
05:09That goal has not been reached.
05:10Do you think President Trump
05:11has a plan here,
05:13Rio Terras?
05:13Well,
05:14I just said that
05:14I don't see
05:15the desired end state
05:17defined politically.
05:18But I think the plan
05:19is to change the regime.
05:20and if you have
05:21less regime people,
05:23if you kill them
05:24as many as possible,
05:25then there is a weak
05:26and weakens the regime.
05:29If you force
05:30the national guard units
05:34of Iraqi guards
05:36to disappear,
05:38then it gives
05:39the possibility
05:39to the people.
05:40I think the mistake
05:41has been made
05:42that the attack
05:44did not take place
05:45before
05:45a very large portion
05:48of the opposition
05:50were killed
05:51and executed
05:53recently
05:54before the war.
05:55And the people
05:56are not there.
05:57But on response
05:58to how we can do it
06:00without military means,
06:01I don't think
06:02we will be able
06:03to discuss
06:04with Adolf Hitler
06:05the regime change
06:06or political election
06:09of somebody
06:09would not have help
06:11and did not work.
06:12It is history shows
06:13that in certain areas
06:15the military means
06:16are necessary.
06:17And nobody listens
06:18to somebody
06:20who does not
06:21have military means.
06:22Look at Europe.
06:23Europe is not at the table.
06:24Not in Ukraine.
06:26And just before we go
06:27into Europe
06:27not being on the table,
06:28let's get Oslem
06:29to respond
06:29to what you just heard.
06:30Look, I'm from Germany
06:31and I don't like it
06:33when people are comparing
06:34now our wars
06:36with the war
06:36of Adolf Hitler.
06:37Adolf Hitler
06:38attacked a lot
06:39of other countries.
06:40He started wars.
06:41This is not the case
06:43we have now
06:44by Iran.
06:44Iran didn't attack.
06:46Iran didn't attack anybody.
06:47And to be honest,
06:49this war
06:49from Israel and U.S.
06:51is not about democracy.
06:52It's not about the people.
06:53It's not about autocracy.
06:56We know
06:56that these countries
06:58also are working together
06:59with a lot of autocrats
07:01in this region.
07:02Also religious
07:04reactionary systems
07:05and regimes.
07:06So this is not the case.
07:08This is about
07:09for Israel
07:09to get a bigger Israel.
07:11It is about U.S.
07:13control,
07:15important resources,
07:17important trade routes.
07:18And on Israel, in fact.
07:19Let's talk about
07:20the real reasons
07:20of this war
07:21and we have to reject it
07:23because this war
07:24has a lot of impacts
07:25of the people
07:26firstly in Iran
07:28who are dying
07:28but also all over the world.
07:30So the Iranian regime
07:31did not have an influence
07:32on the people.
07:33We know from history
07:34you are a former general.
07:35You have been in Afghanistan.
07:37But the history says
07:37that Iran has spread
07:38terrorism around itself.
07:41It has financed the terrorism,
07:43financed Hezbollah,
07:44financed Hamas,
07:45which caused
07:46the people to die
07:47in this area.
07:49So Iran is launching
07:51war against people.
07:52You have been a former general
07:53in Afghanistan, right?
07:55How was the situation
07:56in Afghanistan
07:57after 20 years
07:57of war in Afghanistan?
07:59You said you wanted
08:00to free the women
08:02in Afghanistan.
08:03The situation
08:04of the women
08:04in Afghanistan
08:05after the war
08:06you also were part of.
08:08They were free
08:09as we were there.
08:11They were free
08:11as we were there.
08:12The people,
08:13I have seen women
08:16working on the computers
08:17in Afghanistan.
08:19What is the result
08:20of the war?
08:20The strategic end state
08:22was not defined.
08:23I think that is
08:23the same problem today.
08:24But there is that issue
08:25of the collateral damage
08:26of Trump's war
08:27that as we heard
08:28Europe does not support.
08:29We've heard the Europeans
08:30say this is not our war
08:32but yet Europe is sending
08:32millions to support Lebanon
08:34whereas they have no say here
08:35Oslem in this war.
08:37To be honest
08:38it's not acceptable.
08:39Europe was also silent
08:41when Israel
08:43was war criminal
08:44and had a genocide
08:46on the Palestinian people.
08:48And my country,
08:50Germany for example,
08:52talked about
08:52or the chancellor of Germany
08:54who was part of
08:54your party family
08:56talked about
08:57the dirty work
08:58Israel is doing
09:00for us
09:01and I want to ask
09:02what is it about?
09:03And I want to ask
09:04why is the European Union
09:06then so vocal
09:07when it comes to Ukraine's war
09:08but not when it comes to this?
09:10Because Ukraine
09:11is in Europe
09:13and that is where
09:14we have the biggest concern
09:16and the biggest threat
09:17and I think
09:18this war in Iran
09:20takes the focus away
09:21from children dying
09:24today in Ukraine
09:25every day.
09:26But there's over
09:26one million
09:26displaced,
09:27internally displaced
09:28in Lebanon.
09:28the European Union
09:29is sending cash flows
09:30there for this
09:31humanitarian crisis.
09:32I understand that
09:33but again
09:33why is Europe
09:35not taken seriously?
09:37Because it does not
09:38have the military
09:39might to talk
09:40to be taken seriously
09:41and I think
09:42diplomacy
09:43has only
09:44its ways
09:45if it's
09:46supported
09:47by the strength
09:48economical strength
09:49and military strength.
09:51Back to the war in Iran.
09:52European leaders
09:53said it's not their war
09:54but it's of course
09:54impacting you and me
09:56every one of us.
09:56What would you say to that?
09:57It's not the war
09:59of the European Union
10:00and they are honest
10:01they have to stop
10:03that the military bases
10:05in Europe
10:05can be used.
10:06Spain has shown us
10:08how it could work
10:09and they have to
10:10stop their arm exports
10:11to Israel
10:12and to the US.
10:14And it's interesting
10:15you mentioned Spain
10:15because of course
10:16Spain
10:17or the Spanish government
10:18of Pedro Sanchez
10:19did speak out
10:19against this war
10:20and Donald Trump
10:21Rio Terras responded
10:22by saying
10:23we're going to cut off
10:24trade with Spain.
10:25Do you think that's why
10:26other EU countries
10:27are a little bit hesitant
10:28to speak out?
10:29No I don't think so
10:30but I think Spain
10:31is violating the unity
10:32of the European Union
10:33by not paying
10:35its own bill
10:36on the defence
10:36and now trying to split
10:38the unity of the European Union.
10:40I understand that
10:41that Trump only
10:45takes us seriously
10:46if we act together
10:47and he wants us
10:48to take by piece of piece
10:49and that is exactly
10:50what Sanchez has achieved
10:53by acting alone.
10:55Okay we're getting
10:56just warmed up here
10:58but it's time to take
10:58a very short break.
11:03Because now it's time
11:04for our viewers
11:05to get a real flavour
11:06of the Parliament Chamber
11:07where MEPs ask
11:08direct questions
11:09to each other
11:10and sometimes
11:10as you can see
11:11it does get heated.
11:13Ladies first
11:13Asim.
11:15Okay I want to hear
11:16from your side
11:17what is your solution
11:19for this war?
11:20Does the European Union
11:21not have any instruments
11:23to stop this war
11:24or are you against
11:26stopping this war?
11:27If you mean
11:28the war in Iran
11:29then I don't think
11:30Europe has to do
11:31the instruments
11:31because we are not
11:32strong enough
11:33to sit at the table.
11:35We can try
11:36use our diplomatic means
11:38but nobody listens to us.
11:41That means that we need
11:42to work on
11:43our own capabilities
11:45on our own strengths
11:47and even the economy
11:50is not anymore
11:51the strengths of Europe
11:52because we are not
11:53unified enough.
11:54Now your opportunity
11:56to ask a question
11:56now to Aslem.
11:58We have seen
12:02wars emerge
12:03around us
12:04Europe has not
12:04launched any wars
12:05Europe has not
12:06in the last
12:07like 70 years
12:09not been part
12:09to a war
12:10itself
12:11but we see
12:13others attacking
12:14European countries
12:15around us.
12:15Do you think
12:16that Europe
12:17can solve
12:17these problems
12:18diplomatically
12:19or do we need
12:20military means
12:22to back up
12:23our diplomatic efforts
12:25and if not
12:26what is the other way?
12:28To be honest
12:29yes the European Union
12:30as the European Union
12:31didn't launch wars
12:33but European member states
12:35were also in the past
12:37part of wars
12:38like we saw
12:39in Afghanistan
12:40like we saw
12:42in Iraq
12:42like we saw
12:43in Libya
12:43it was not
12:45UK
12:46as not anymore
12:47European Union
12:48but it was also
12:49European countries
12:50so it's not true
12:51that the European Union
12:52in the past
12:53was just standing
12:54for diplomacy
12:55and against wars
12:56in this world
12:57so if we want to
12:58answer the times
12:59of wars
13:00we have to go
13:01back and to stop
13:03about talking
13:03just about militarization.
13:05Do you know
13:05the definition
13:06of a dialogue?
13:08Yes sure.
13:09That means that
13:09it needs two parts
13:10who want to discuss
13:12to talk to each other
13:13if one side
13:14wants to talk
13:15and the other
13:15one is not
13:16and I have been
13:16experiencing myself
13:18trying to reach out
13:19to Russian chief
13:20of defense
13:21as I was chief
13:21of defense
13:22and the response
13:23was why?
13:24Nobody wants
13:25to talk to us
13:25and not
13:27dictator Putin
13:29not chairman Xi
13:30they don't care
13:31and as long
13:32as we are weak
13:33we are not
13:34at the table
13:35and the dialogue
13:36needs two sides
13:38and if Russia
13:39understands
13:40only military means
13:42and they did not
13:43use diplomacy
13:44against Ukraine
13:44Maybe a reaction
13:45on them to that
13:45I don't know
13:46what you mean
13:47with weak
13:48European Union
13:49is one of the huge
13:50or one of the biggest
13:51economic powers
13:52of the world
13:53and also the European
13:54member states
13:55has a lot of
13:56military instruments
13:57and we are spending
13:58a lot of money
13:59for military means
14:01so it's like this
14:03the facts are
14:03on the table
14:04so don't tell
14:05just we are like this
14:07or we are like this
14:08what is happening
14:09by now
14:09is that the European
14:10Union also decided
14:12like the US
14:13like China
14:14like other big powers
14:15in this world
14:16that they want to defend
14:17its own interests
14:19and this means
14:20resources of the world
14:21trade routes of the world
14:22by military means
14:24and what this means
14:25is that people are dying
14:26that the working class
14:28all over the world
14:28is paying the bill
14:31for it
14:31and this is not acceptable
14:32this is why I'm rejecting
14:33this military means
14:35and I'm saying
14:36we have to find
14:37another way
14:37to protect lives
14:39to protect our earth
14:41there are certain things
14:42we cannot do yet
14:43that is the response
14:44to what we can
14:45or cannot do
14:46so we need to
14:48invest
14:49commonly together
14:51to a drone defense
14:52because we have seen
14:53a new weapon
14:55developing
14:56a disruptive technology
14:57which has been used
14:58in Ukraine
14:58and kills people
14:59we need for example
15:01to invest in this kind
15:02of technologies
15:03in order to make sure
15:04that our people
15:06are defended
15:07and they are not dying
15:09let me say clearly
15:11it's not a solution
15:12for nobody
15:13to prolong wars
15:14and it's also like this
15:16that not just Putin
15:17said I don't want
15:18to negotiate
15:19it was also like this
15:20that the western countries
15:21long long time
15:22said we had no
15:23possibilities to negotiate
15:24we don't want to negotiate
15:26and this was
15:28prolonging this war
15:29and the result
15:31of this war
15:32is not good
15:32for the Ukrainian people
15:33so let me say this
15:36you are from the EPP
15:37and you are standing
15:38for a conservative
15:39politics
15:40you are
15:41in the last weeks
15:42your group
15:43has really weakened
15:45the right of asylum
15:47in European Union
15:48systems
15:49and it's like this
15:51that the war in Iran
15:52also
15:53has the result
15:54that people
15:54had to flee
15:55that they become refugees
15:57and maybe they want
15:58to come here
15:58what is your answer
16:00why are you supporting wars
16:02or not rejecting wars
16:03not doing everything
16:04to stop wars
16:04and on the other side
16:06working against
16:07people who are affected
16:08by this wars
16:09and become refugees
16:10what is your answer
16:11may I start with saying
16:13EPP is not launching wars
16:15is not causing wars
16:16and the only thing
16:17EPP stands for
16:19is to defend people
16:20against the wars
16:21which are around us
16:22be it
16:23an
16:25Iran regime
16:26which has been killing
16:28torturing
16:29people
16:3047 years
16:31or be it
16:32Russia
16:32who has never listened
16:34to anybody
16:34who launched wars
16:35since 2008
16:37military
16:38whose political aims
16:40who wants to achieve
16:42its political aims
16:43by military means
16:44and just on the potential
16:45refugee
16:46I'll come back to that
16:47and so
16:48that is not what we want
16:50and we want
16:51European people
16:52to live safely
16:54in Europe
16:55but
16:56we are ready
16:57to take refugees
16:58but we don't want
16:59to have illegal refugees
17:01we don't want
17:02to have economical refugees
17:03we want
17:04to know
17:06who is living
17:06in Europe
17:07and who is not
17:08and that's what
17:09we stand for
17:09but nowadays
17:10we have deportations
17:12to Syria
17:13for example
17:13where the wars
17:15and that is of course
17:16we have deportations
17:17to Iran
17:18we have deportations
17:19to Afghanistan
17:19because it's about
17:21people who are illegally
17:22in Europe
17:23and that is a debate
17:24for another day
17:25but we have heard
17:26the views from our MEPs
17:27and now I would like
17:28to bring in
17:28another argument
17:33it is the voice
17:34of the US ambassador
17:36to the European Union
17:37that is Andrew Puzder
17:38he spoke to me
17:39earlier this week
17:40on Europe Today
17:41Euronews' morning show
17:43and he encouraged
17:44members of the European Parliament
17:45here to ratify
17:46the Turnberry
17:47EU-US trade deal
17:48saying that it would be
17:49an economic malpractice
17:51not to pass this deal
17:52that the US
17:53is not an obstacle
17:54Puzder also described it
17:56as a great deal
17:57for the United States
17:58and the European Union
17:59so I'm curious to hear
18:00your thoughts
18:01on what the ambassador
18:02Puzder said
18:03about this deal
18:03the fact that
18:04the European Parliament
18:05should push ahead
18:06and ratify it
18:07European Parliament
18:08should defend
18:09European people's interest
18:11and therefore
18:12the Commission
18:13has worked out the deal
18:14it is not an ideal deal
18:17but we have to find
18:18the minimum
18:20common denominator
18:21with US
18:23and find the ways
18:24we have to deal
18:25with US
18:25we have to
18:26and the current
18:28administration
18:28is not pre-Europe
18:29the interest
18:30is not being European
18:31they defend
18:32their people
18:33so our task
18:34is to defend
18:35our people
18:35and trade with US
18:37is needed
18:37necessary
18:38and good
18:39for our businesses
18:40and people
18:40because just remember
18:41that deal
18:42triples tariffs
18:42on European goods
18:44while cutting duties
18:45on US
18:45industrial goods
18:47down to zero
18:47and of course
18:48it was harshly
18:48criticised for months
18:50as too favourable
18:50to the Trump administration
18:52what is your view
18:53here on what
18:53Andrew Puzder said
18:54to us earlier
18:55this week
18:55I think we should have
18:56a clearer talk
18:57to the US
18:58and if it's about
18:59defending the interests
19:00of the European people
19:01we should have
19:02a clear politic
19:03that rejected
19:04what Donald Trump
19:05is by now doing
19:06it should reject
19:07the war in Iran
19:08clearly
19:09it should reject
19:10the politics
19:11of America
19:12who is saying
19:13America first
19:13and dealing
19:14with a lot of wars
19:15it's not just Iran
19:17it's also Venezuela
19:18it's also Cuba
19:19it's also other countries
19:20who are now
19:21affected badly
19:22and so we should
19:23have our own politics
19:25which is really
19:26taking in mind
19:27what the people
19:27of Europe need
19:28and the people
19:29of Europe
19:29need especially
19:31social security systems
19:33they need a cap
19:34for energy prices
19:35they need affordable housing
19:37and stuff like this
19:38and the European Union
19:38is not doing anything
19:40or not enough
19:41in this part
19:42and we'll come back
19:43to that point
19:43on consumers
19:44in just one minute
19:45but now it is time
19:46to take a very short break
19:47here on The Ring
19:48but stay with us
19:49because we'll be back
19:50very soon
19:51with some more
19:51political punch
19:52from the European Parliament
20:01Welcome back to The Ring
20:03Euronews' weekly debate show
20:05here in the European Parliament
20:06in Brussels
20:07for this edition
20:08I'm joined by MEP's
20:09Rio Terras
20:10and Oslem de Mirel
20:11and the idea here
20:12is to bring
20:13the European Parliament
20:14debates
20:14to your very sofa
20:16this week
20:17we're focusing on how
20:18the European Union
20:19and its leaders
20:19are reacting
20:20to the ongoing war
20:21in Iran
20:22a war that's directly
20:23impacting me
20:24and you
20:24whether you're based
20:25in Kenya
20:26Kerala
20:26or Kerry
20:27now we wanted
20:28to hear from you
20:29so we actually took
20:30to the streets
20:30of Brussels
20:31to hear how this war
20:32is affecting
20:33your daily life
20:35it has affected
20:36a lot of travel
20:37I know that for sure
20:38an economy
20:39in Greece
20:40we have a lot
20:40of cancellations
20:41and it has impacted
20:43tourism as well
20:44so there's definitely
20:45an economic impact
20:46in our country
20:47I'm sure that
20:48everyone in the European Union
20:50will feel the impact
20:51everything
20:52everything
20:53food
20:53services
20:54gas for sure
20:57probably also
20:58things like heating
21:00I mean it's energy
21:02everyone uses it
21:03everyone needs it
21:04and I find it pretty crazy
21:08that the decision
21:09of two countries
21:10to go to war
21:10against Iran
21:12has such an impact
21:12on pretty much everyone
21:14not anxious
21:16but definitely
21:18will hit
21:18but I already
21:19implement some
21:20energy saving measures
21:21so I hope
21:22this won't
21:23hit me hard
21:24so Rio Terras
21:25there
21:25impacting everyone
21:27your reaction
21:28absolutely
21:29absolutely
21:30and that only shows
21:31that Europe
21:32needs to become
21:33more independent
21:34from the energy sources
21:35and I think
21:36we should go back
21:37to the nuclear
21:38energy
21:39which gives us
21:40the autonomy
21:41if we need it
21:42would you agree
21:43with that?
21:44No I don't think
21:45that the nuclear energy
21:46is an energy system
21:48for the future
21:49but what we have to do
21:50is to build up
21:51the renewable
21:53energy systems
21:54and the European Union
21:55has slept
21:56long long time
21:57and have forget
21:58to do this
21:59and as we all know
22:00nuclear takes years
22:01right
22:01it takes years
22:02well
22:02there's the small
22:03modular reactors
22:03but they're also
22:04just being tested out
22:05but just back
22:06to measures
22:06for Europeans
22:07now today
22:09we've seen
22:09Pedro Sánchez
22:10Spanish Prime Minister
22:11propose
22:12a 5 billion
22:13euro package
22:14to help consumers
22:15is that a good idea
22:16Rio Taras?
22:17To help
22:18in the difficult situation
22:19is a good idea
22:21if it's not
22:21the populism
22:22before the elections
22:24I think
22:25we need to make
22:26an economy stronger
22:27and the economy
22:28depends on
22:29the energy
22:30for example
22:31so we need
22:32really to take
22:33various packages
22:35and I don't
22:36think that
22:38renewable energy
22:39is something bad
22:40but as we saw
22:41this winter
22:42in Estonia
22:43the renewable energy
22:45does not help us
22:46in the situation
22:47where there's no wind
22:48and no sun
22:50and no batteries
22:52to restore it
22:54so we need
22:54sources
22:55which give
22:56energy
22:57on that moment
22:58so we need
22:59to have
22:59a diversified
23:00package of energy
23:01and focus
23:02on that
23:02to make
23:03European economy
23:04more competitive
23:05especially
23:06in the times
23:07of war
23:07just one
23:08sentence
23:09about the
23:09social impacts
23:11and energy
23:12impacts
23:12of this war
23:14we had it also
23:15by the war
23:15in Ukraine
23:16we had it
23:17in the corona
23:18pandemic
23:18we had a situation
23:19that really
23:20some companies
23:22are earning
23:22a lot of money
23:23and this is also
23:24by now
23:25the fact
23:25that oil companies
23:26are having
23:28real big profits
23:29by now
23:30because they are
23:31using this crisis
23:32every time
23:32and the people
23:33are in a real
23:35bad situation
23:36they have to decide
23:37if they buy food
23:38or if they
23:38fill their tank
23:39for the car
23:40to go to the work
23:41so this is not
23:42acceptable
23:42so I think
23:43it's not just
23:44a good idea
23:45to have packages
23:46to protect
23:47our people
23:47it's necessary
23:48that we do it
23:49and it's necessary
23:50that we cut
23:52the extra benefits
23:53the extra profits
23:54from the companies
23:55they have a lot of
23:56should EU leaders
23:58be gathering
23:58and discussing
23:59this necessity
24:00you are not able
24:01to distribute
24:02the wealth
24:03if there is no wealth
24:04so market economy
24:06says you can only
24:07distribute something
24:08which exists
24:09and to have a profit
24:10is nothing bad
24:11and evil
24:12the profits
24:13and good tax profits
24:15are exactly
24:15what brings us
24:17ahead
24:18and gives our economy
24:20a stronger stand
24:21and the country's
24:22strongest situation
24:23and I think
24:24the European Union
24:25need to gather together
24:26and find the solution
24:29first of all
24:30for our competitiveness
24:31in our current world
24:32but the big companies
24:34have a lot of money
24:36and they are richer
24:36than they had been
24:37ever before
24:38we have more money
24:38in the European Union
24:39than we had before
24:40this is fact
24:41what we have
24:42is that the middle stand
24:43middle classes
24:44and the poor people
24:45are not anymore
24:46able to finance
24:48their life
24:49and this is a problem
24:50so we have to talk
24:51about the extra rich
24:52part of this region
24:54we have a lot
24:56of millionaires
24:57billionaires
24:57earning more money
24:59in this crisis
25:00this is not acceptable
25:01I'm sorry
25:01I have lived in communism
25:02where the distribution
25:04of the wealth
25:04was done without
25:06having rich and poor
25:08and that was evil
25:09that was the worst
25:10time of my life
25:11I don't want to come back
25:12to that
25:12look you can
25:13you can just come
25:13with buzzwords
25:14like communism
25:15stuff like this
25:16the people of Europe
25:17the people of Europe
25:19they are realising
25:21that that
25:22what we are living
25:23in now
25:24is no perspective
25:25for them
25:26it is rising
25:27it is rising
25:28and we need
25:29answers for the people
25:31and you can't
25:32you can't
25:33just put the
25:34real demands
25:35of the people away
25:36and just talking
25:37about communism
25:37I'm not talking
25:38about communism
25:39I'm talking about
25:40security for the people
25:42of Europe
25:42so that's the views
25:43from our MEPs
25:44we would love to hear
25:45as well
25:45your view here
25:47join our debate
25:48The Ring
25:48at yournews.com
25:50that is our email address
25:51so please reach out
25:52but it is now time
25:52to move on
25:53to our fifth
25:54and final round
25:55are you ready?
25:59So now it is time
26:01for something
26:01a little bit different
26:02I'm going to be asking
26:03our MEPs
26:04a set of questions
26:06and you only have
26:07the opportunity
26:08to answer with
26:08yes or no
26:11so was it a good idea
26:12to kill
26:13the supreme leader
26:14Ali Khamenei
26:15yes or no?
26:17I don't like him
26:18but I don't think
26:19that it's illegal
26:21and it shouldn't be
26:22Was it a good idea
26:23yes or no?
26:24Yes
26:25Is the US
26:26still a friend
26:27to the European Union
26:28yes or no?
26:28Yes
26:29The US people
26:30yes
26:31Trump
26:31no
26:31Should the EU
26:32be more involved
26:33in this war
26:34yes or no?
26:35Clearly no
26:37Yes
26:37And should
26:38European countries
26:39increase defense spending
26:40yes or no?
26:41Yes
26:41No
26:43Should Europe
26:44focus on
26:45renewable energy
26:46yes or no?
26:47Yes
26:47And manage a mix
26:49Manage a mix
26:50And should NATO
26:51be involved
26:52if the conflict
26:53expands
26:54yes or no?
26:55No
26:55No
26:56I'm against NATO
26:57also
26:58And just a question
26:59on European governments
27:00Should European governments
27:01be subsidizing
27:01energy costs
27:02today now
27:03to protect consumers
27:04yes or no?
27:05Yes
27:05Yes
27:06And is Iran
27:08a direct threat
27:08to European security?
27:10No
27:11Yes
27:12And it has always been
27:13Okay
27:14And have you agreed
27:15on anything
27:15that you've heard here?
27:19And what about you?
27:20Have you agreed?
27:21I agree that
27:21the renewable energy
27:22is a part of the energy mix
27:25Great
27:25Well I think we've given
27:26our viewers
27:27a perfect flavour
27:28of how you actually
27:29interact right here
27:29in the Parliament
27:30So thank you so much
27:31to you both
27:31for being with us here
27:32That does bring
27:33this edition
27:34of The Ring
27:35to an end
27:35As I said
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27:40Take care
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