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«Se projetar poder, a Rússia não o atacará» — os eurodeputados Cristian Terheș (ECR) e Cynthia Ní Mhurchú (Renew Europe) debatem a segurança da Europa no programa The Ring.
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«Se projetar poder, a Rússia não o atacará» — os eurodeputados Cristian Terheș (ECR) e Cynthia Ní Mhurchú (Renew Europe) debatem a segurança da Europa no programa The Ring.
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00:00Olá e bem-vindos a The Ring,
00:11Euronews's brand-new debating show
00:13broadcasting from the European Parliament
00:15here in Brussels.
00:17Once a week, two elected members
00:19of the European Parliament
00:20go face-to-face on some of the most
00:23pressing issues of our time.
00:25This week, we're discussing the EU's
00:27role in peace talk to end the war in Ukraine,
00:30and we're asking if we need to militarize
00:32European societies.
00:33Before we meet our guests, let's just get you up to speed.
00:38So far, Ukraine and Europe have remarkably
00:41been sidelined in negotiations
00:43aimed at ending the war with Russia.
00:46US Special Envoy Steve Witkoff
00:48met Russian President Vladimir Putin
00:50to push a US-sponsored peace deal.
00:52Initially concocted with the Kremlin,
00:54the plan was amended with
00:56European and Ukrainian inputs
00:57after concerns emerged that
00:59Kiev would be pressured into
01:01unacceptable concessions.
01:03Yet, Europe is having a hard time
01:05finding a seat at the negotiation table.
01:07French President Emmanuel Macron
01:09welcomed Vladimir Zelensky at the
01:11Élysée Palace and stressed that no agreement
01:13would materialize without European participation.
01:16Voices are also rising in Brussels
01:18for Europe to have its own plan
01:20to ensure a lasting peace in Ukraine
01:22and deter Moscow from future military action.
01:25only the 27 can't agree on how to proceed.
01:32So, what next for the EU?
01:35And should the 27 remain a soft power
01:37or transition to a military might?
01:40The questions we'll be putting to our contenders.
01:42Let's meet them.
01:43Cynthia Newarku, Irish MEP for the Liberal Renew Group.
01:48A former journalist and lawyer,
01:50she's a devoted pro-European
01:52who believes in dialogue and negotiation
01:54under the right circumstances.
01:56Any credible peace plan must involve Ukraine,
01:59the EU, the United States and Russia,
02:01and it cannot be imposed on Ukraine
02:03or come at the expense of its sovereignty,
02:06territorial integrity or democratic future,
02:08she said.
02:10Christian Terhes, Romanian MEP
02:12for the European Conservatives and Reformists Group.
02:15Former candidate for the country's presidency,
02:18a defender of national sovereignty,
02:20he has dismissed the guarantees
02:21given by the US, Great Britain,
02:23Germany and Russia to Ukraine
02:25in order to give up its nuclear arsenal in 1994.
02:29Now he warns against the acceptance
02:31of a peace agreement with Russia at any cost.
02:34In the natural tendency,
02:36man wants peace immediately,
02:37but history shows us
02:39the price of hasty decisions, he said.
02:42Cynthia Newarku and Christian Teresh,
02:45welcome to The Ring.
02:48Thank you so much for having us.
02:49Hi, Christian.
02:50Hi, Cynthia.
02:51Great to have you with us.
02:51Well, look, ladies first, perhaps.
02:53We'll kick off with Cynthia Newarku.
02:55Why is the European Union
02:56not at the driving seat in the talks
02:58to end the war in Ukraine,
02:59but always reacting?
03:00No, the EU is at the driving seat,
03:04but the driving seat is shared
03:05and should be shared
03:06between the nations
03:08and the countries
03:09that have a vested interest.
03:11Obviously, we're in a particular space
03:13whereby America has withdrawn
03:17somewhat from its previous historical support
03:20through NATO and so forth.
03:21So we are in a new geopolitical atmosphere,
03:24as we all know,
03:25and therefore,
03:26we are in the driving seat very much,
03:28but we can't take over in the driving seat.
03:30We also need our partners.
03:32So Russia is involved with the United States
03:34and obviously we have Europe,
03:35but most importantly,
03:37we have President Zelenskyy and Ukraine.
03:39And in your clip,
03:40you indicated that the coalition of the willing,
03:43indeed,
03:43Zelenskyy was welcome to the Palace of Lice,
03:45but he was also welcomed to my country
03:47and my parliament in the Dáil.
03:49And I can tell you that Europe stands firm,
03:52very firm with Ukraine,
03:53because I think my friend will agree with me,
03:55if we don't stand in Europe with Ukraine,
03:58who is next?
03:59Probably your country, Romania,
04:01possibly Ireland on the Western flight.
04:03But messages of support in New York who are not enough.
04:03We have Kaya Callas.
04:05She's the EU Foreign Affairs Chief,
04:06but she's nowhere to be seen in any of those images.
04:09Well, I think European Union right now
04:11has to take the lead in this fight,
04:13because at the end of the day,
04:14it's not in the U.S. main interest
04:16to resolve the situation in Ukraine,
04:19but it's in our own interest,
04:20in European Union,
04:21and especially on countries
04:23that are on the eastern flank of NATO.
04:25As Cynthia rightfully mentioned,
04:27we are very concerned in Eastern Europe
04:29because if Ukraine collapses,
04:33who is next?
04:34It's someone from the Baltic region,
04:35it's Romania, who's next?
04:36Messages of support is another thing,
04:38but has the EU done enough?
04:39I'm sorry, Maeve,
04:40I mean, I watched the news overnight.
04:42Putin has withdrawn from the peace talks.
04:45Putin does not want peace.
04:47Russia does not want peace.
04:48Europe has bent over backwards
04:50in their very professional,
04:52organised way,
04:52bearing in mind we have 27 member states,
04:54and has really negotiated
04:56very skilfully and very hard.
04:58And I don't really accept
04:59any criticism of Kaya Callas.
05:01She may not be seen in pictures,
05:03but I'm not depending on her
05:04being seen in pictures.
05:05I'm depending on her and her team
05:06negotiating hard,
05:08and they have been doing that.
05:09But bear in mind,
05:10they didn't withdraw.
05:11But why did the EU get sidelined, then?
05:12He's no interest in peace.
05:13Why did the EU get sidelined
05:14by the Trump 28-point peace plan?
05:16That's very, very simple.
05:18And I mean, again,
05:18I'm sure Christian will agree,
05:20President Trump has set up
05:22these so-called collaborative talks,
05:24which are not collaborative in any way,
05:26because the United States
05:27did not come as the arbitrator,
05:30as the mediator,
05:31with its proposed plan,
05:33drawn from both sides.
05:34He came with a Russian plan.
05:35And we saw Steve Whitcoff.
05:37He's been to Moscow around six times,
05:39but never visited Kyiv.
05:41As you can see right now,
05:42we talk too much about
05:42what the U.S. does
05:44or what the U.S. wants.
05:45The question is what the EU does.
05:47Exactly.
05:47And when you talk to Russia,
05:49historically speaking,
05:50you have to negotiate with Russia
05:51from a position of power,
05:53because the only language
05:54that the Russian would listen to
05:57is the language of power.
05:59We talk too much.
06:00We don't act enough.
06:01Not only that we don't act enough,
06:02we don't act strong.
06:03I'll give you an example.
06:04Nord Stream 2, for example.
06:05When Trump was elected in 2016,
06:07he sanctioned the companies
06:09that were built in Nord Stream 2.
06:11When Biden was elected in 2020,
06:13he lifted the sanctions.
06:14That's how Nord Stream 2 was finalized.
06:15Then we saw what happened in 2022.
06:17For so many years,
06:18there were so many talks,
06:19even here in the European Parliament.
06:20But behind the scenes,
06:22many EU countries, you know,
06:23still conducted business with Russia.
06:26So we paid for this work.
06:28Yeah, I totally agree with Christian
06:29when he says about, you know,
06:31not acting up quickly enough,
06:32because if we look back
06:33at the initial invasion of Putin
06:35into Ukraine,
06:36that's when Europe should have acted
06:37more comprehensively,
06:39more firmly.
06:40And they didn't.
06:41And we really are paying
06:42the price of that now.
06:43But I don't accept the premise
06:44that Europe is in some way
06:46way too weak
06:47or way too ineffective.
06:48I do believe that progress
06:50will be made.
06:51Look at how Trump is stymied
06:52every time he says
06:53there's a deadline made.
06:55Every time he says
06:55it's a deadline,
06:56that deadline is passed
06:57and we move to a next phase.
06:59He wants a quick fix.
07:00He won't learn the lesson,
07:02Trump,
07:02that we can't get a quick fix
07:03when he's asking Ukraine
07:05to give up its sovereignty.
07:07And then he's going to ask Romania
07:08to give up their sovereignty
07:09and Poland.
07:10And where I was standing
07:11in Estonia
07:13some weeks ago,
07:14looking across
07:15at the Russian border
07:16and realizing
07:16how threatened
07:17all these countries
07:18on the eastern flank.
07:19But you know what?
07:20It's only a hair's breadth
07:21away from Ireland.
07:21and you say,
07:23of course,
07:23the Kremlin only understands
07:25the language of power.
07:26How would you react
07:27to Vladimir Putin's comments
07:28this week when he said
07:29he's ready for a war
07:30with Europe?
07:30I will not react with words.
07:32I would react with actions.
07:33We need to build up
07:34our defense.
07:35But on top of that,
07:36we need to set ourselves
07:38the proper mindset
07:39in dealing with Russia.
07:41And I paraphrase
07:42what the former Taliban leader
07:43told many U.S. generals
07:44when they had a meeting.
07:46The general,
07:46the U.S. general said,
07:47well, we've got to finish
07:48this fast, fast, fast.
07:49And the Taliban says,
07:50you know what is the difference
07:51between you and us?
07:51What?
07:52You have the watch.
07:54We have the time.
07:55So the Russians right now
07:57are using exactly
07:58the same strategy.
07:59Cynthia was right
08:00when she mentioned
08:02that Trump is always
08:04coming up with these deadlines
08:05from one day to another.
08:06You cannot have
08:07in such a complicated situation
08:09a peace deal
08:10from one day to another.
08:11In order to do that,
08:12you need to take
08:13enough time to do it.
08:14But on top of that,
08:15you need to have
08:17a strong defense
08:18behind your words.
08:19So for many decades,
08:21the European Union
08:22expected that
08:23if something happens,
08:24U.S. is there
08:25to defend us.
08:26U.S. can help,
08:27but U.S.,
08:28apparently right now,
08:29cannot drive this anymore.
08:30But Christian,
08:30not only do we need
08:32to stand up
08:33and smell the coffee
08:34with regards
08:34to the mindset of Putin,
08:35which I think
08:36Europe did a long time ago
08:37when they failed
08:38to interact
08:39and investigate
08:40what was going on
08:41in the early 2000s,
08:43I should say,
08:44when Russia invaded first,
08:45Donbass, etc.
08:46But, unfortunately,
08:48we have the mindset
08:49of Trump thrown in
08:50for good measure.
08:51And, of course,
08:52we realize that
08:52all the power,
08:53all the might,
08:54all the money,
08:55which Ukraine
08:55has been so dependent on,
08:56as well as the huge
08:58investment from Russia,
08:59it's a very delicate balance.
09:00So, Sarri,
09:01you talk about mindset.
09:02There still is
09:03a wonderful aspect
09:05of politics
09:05called diplomacy.
09:06But, of course,
09:07Trump doesn't have that
09:08in his dictionary
09:09or his lexicon.
09:10It doesn't exist.
09:10And so, therefore,
09:12Kaya Callas
09:12and the negotiating team
09:13have to negotiate
09:14in a completely
09:16different way.
09:17It has to be deferential,
09:18it has to be sycophantic,
09:20and it has to allow
09:21the bully in the room
09:22to triumph.
09:23Kaya is coming
09:23from one of the Baltic countries
09:25and she had very
09:26strong statements,
09:28which is very important.
09:28But it's important also,
09:30she even mentioned
09:30in some of her speeches,
09:32to understand
09:33the lesson of history.
09:34The first country
09:35that was attacked
09:35by Russia
09:36in the 21st century
09:37was Georgia
09:38in 2008.
09:39Because Georgia,
09:40in April of 2008,
09:42was not accepted
09:42in NATO
09:43because two NATO
09:44countries vetoed
09:45their accession.
09:46So, what happened
09:47after the war
09:48in Georgia
09:49in August 2008?
09:50Russia occupied
09:52South of Setia
09:52and Asia,
09:54but in 2009,
09:55a new U.S. president
09:56took office,
09:57Obama.
09:58The first thing
09:58that he did
09:59once he took office
10:00was to resume
10:01the relationship
10:02with Russia.
10:03Russia came
10:03with a precondition
10:04that said,
10:05and I quote,
10:06you need to forget
10:07everything that happened
10:08in 2009,
10:09we start from scratch.
10:10Well, they do not
10:11start from scratch.
10:12They keep everything
10:13that they got so far
10:14and from this point on,
10:15they want to negotiate.
10:16But on forward,
10:17back to Europeans
10:17to our viewers
10:18watching here today,
10:19Cynthia Newarku,
10:20is it time to militarize
10:20our societies?
10:21Is it time for your voters,
10:23your children,
10:23to start learning
10:23how to fight?
10:24I'll tell you what,
10:25it's time for now.
10:26It's time to realize
10:27that the cooperative
10:29military organizations
10:31that we have
10:32in relation to
10:33procurement,
10:34in relation to training,
10:35in relation to
10:36sharing intelligence,
10:37that needs to be
10:38ramped up.
10:39And yes,
10:40Europe has already
10:41reacted to the fact
10:42in the last couple
10:44of months
10:44that the budget
10:45of each country,
10:46we have to commit
10:47a certain percentage.
10:48Should we have
10:48voluntary military
10:49subscription for
10:50all Europeans?
10:51And we need to
10:52understand that
10:53the biggest security
10:54guarantees that any
10:55country has,
10:56it's its own military.
10:57No foreigner,
10:58no stranger,
10:59is going to come
11:00and die for your country.
11:01And we politicians,
11:02elected officials,
11:03we need to make
11:03this point very clear.
11:05Nobody is going to come
11:06and die for your country.
11:08If you,
11:08whomever you are
11:10in what elected office
11:11you are,
11:12you need to make
11:12this clear to your people.
11:14So you have to have,
11:15you have to build up
11:15your country
11:16to be resilient
11:17to any kind of
11:18interference from outside,
11:20either military interference,
11:21you know,
11:22electoral interference,
11:23any kind of
11:24malign interference.
11:25So building up
11:26your military
11:27is one step
11:28but not the only step.
11:29Because you have to,
11:30we need to defend,
11:31for example,
11:31and make sure
11:32that we safeguard
11:33our correctness
11:34of the electoral process,
11:36for example.
11:36But we also need
11:37negotiation, Maeve,
11:38and we need diplomacy.
11:39So we need both.
11:39Those two elements
11:40which Trump doesn't like.
11:42Let me stop you there
11:43because it is now
11:44time to take the gloves
11:45off here.
11:49That means,
11:50Cynthia and Christian,
11:51you can challenge
11:52each other directly
11:52just like you do
11:53in the hemicycle.
11:55Cynthia,
11:55you can kick off
11:55with your very first
11:56question for Christian.
11:57Certainly.
11:58Are you worried
11:59at the statement
12:00of Putin
12:01overnight
12:02which stated
12:04if Europe want war,
12:06we are ready
12:07for war?
12:08And how do you think
12:09Europe should react
12:10to that statement?
12:11I have to say
12:12that Putin
12:13said it from 2007,
12:15fall of 2007
12:16in Lisbon
12:18during a summit
12:19between EU and Russia
12:20and he said something
12:21and I paraphrase him
12:23if the foreign,
12:24if the international community
12:25is going to recognize
12:26the independence
12:26of Kosovo,
12:27all the frozen conflicts
12:28from Eastern Europe
12:29are going to melt.
12:29and he nominated
12:30South Ossetia,
12:31Pazia, Nagorno-Karabakh,
12:33Transnistria.
12:34So that was
12:35fall of 2007.
12:36We saw what happened
12:37in 2008,
12:38we saw then
12:38what happened
12:39in 2014
12:40and what happened
12:40in 2022.
12:42He's tricking us
12:43with words.
12:44Russia was preparing
12:46for this war
12:47not from today
12:48or from like 2014.
12:50He was,
12:51Russia was preparing
12:52for this war
12:52a few years
12:53after Putin
12:54took power.
12:55So what should
12:56the reaction be?
12:56Well,
12:57we need to react,
12:57you need to prepare
12:58yourself for war.
12:59You need to,
12:59not to attack someone
13:02but to be able
13:03to defend yourself.
13:04Because is that not
13:04scaremongering?
13:04Are our viewers
13:05not sitting at home
13:05fretting?
13:06I'm not scaring anybody.
13:08I'm realistic.
13:10Look at what
13:10Churchill said,
13:11for example,
13:12during the Second World War.
13:13It's exactly the kind
13:14of leadership
13:14that we need
13:15and we are missing
13:16right now.
13:16I think we need
13:17to have a nuanced,
13:18mature conversation
13:19with our voters
13:20whether we're
13:21on the western
13:21periphery in Ireland
13:22or we're in Estonia
13:24and we're right up
13:25against it,
13:25the country of Kayakalas.
13:27We need to have
13:27a mature conversation
13:28that about
13:30the militarization
13:31and the investment
13:32in militarization.
13:33No,
13:33it doesn't mean
13:34a united European army
13:36but it does mean
13:38massive cooperation,
13:39massive investment.
13:40But can we afford it?
13:41We will have to afford it
13:43even though there
13:44are competing interests
13:45whether it's farmers
13:46which are very dear
13:47to my heart,
13:48whether it's businesses,
13:49whether it's education,
13:50Erasmus.
13:51But right now
13:52at this point in time
13:53we are under threat.
13:55This is the closest
13:56we've been to the Cold War
13:57that I can remember.
13:58Christian,
13:59your question now
13:59for Cynthia.
14:00You were mentioning
14:01about the price.
14:03I have to say
14:03that it's cheaper
14:04to invest in your own defense
14:05than to support the war
14:06and we see the situation
14:07in Ukraine.
14:08It's way cheaper.
14:09Christian,
14:09your opportunity now
14:10to address a question
14:10to Cynthia.
14:11Yes,
14:11considering the...
14:12I hope it's a simple one.
14:13Well,
14:13we'll see.
14:16So,
14:16do you think
14:17you could have done more
14:18to help Ukraine
14:18and if so,
14:20what?
14:21Absolutely not.
14:22I don't believe
14:23they could have done more.
14:24I think the amount
14:25of money
14:26that Europe has put in
14:27more than the United States
14:28and the amount
14:29of talks,
14:32time given to talks,
14:34preparation given
14:34for talks
14:36and leading out
14:36they couldn't have done anymore.
14:38I think they have ramped up
14:39and reacted with regards
14:40to the commitment
14:41of the member states
14:41to their military spend,
14:43to their defense spend.
14:45I don't think
14:45with 27 member states
14:46who have very different
14:48constitutional set-ups
14:50and structures,
14:51I don't see how Europe
14:52could have done more.
14:53Are we perfect?
14:54Of course not.
14:55I'm not suggesting that.
14:56But sorry,
14:57this is in real time, Maeve.
14:58But certainly not enough
14:59has been done, Cynthia,
15:00if we're entering
15:01the fourth winter of war.
15:02Ursula van der Leyen,
15:03and I wouldn't be
15:04the biggest fan
15:05of Ursula van der Leyen
15:06or President van der Leyen,
15:07but Ursula van der Leyen
15:08has reacted
15:09as swiftly as she can
15:11to a devastating
15:12new geopolitical situation
15:14that Christian
15:14has referred to,
15:15which is no support
15:16anymore from Europe,
15:17stand on your own
15:18two feet,
15:19get on with it.
15:20Would you agree
15:20with Cynthia?
15:22Up to a point, yes,
15:22but I think the EU
15:23could have done more
15:24sooner.
15:26Because now we have
15:27the 19th package
15:28of sanctions, you know.
15:29Many of these sanctions
15:30could have been done
15:31right at the beginning
15:31of the invasion
15:33of Ukraine
15:34by Russia.
15:35On top of that,
15:36we could have,
15:37you know,
15:37cut their finances.
15:38Even right now,
15:39for example,
15:39the transportation corridors,
15:41for example,
15:42from Central Asia
15:43and China,
15:44all the goods
15:45that are coming
15:45to Europe,
15:46they are still
15:46coming through Russia,
15:47which is absurd.
15:48So on one side,
15:49you're claiming,
15:49and rightfully so,
15:51that Russia
15:51declared war to Europe.
15:53On the other side,
15:54you do business with them.
15:54It doesn't make any sense.
15:56This is what I'm calling
15:57on public officials,
16:00you know,
16:00to be correct
16:01and to be straightforward
16:02with the population,
16:03because it's the only way
16:04to be able to properly defend
16:07from this kind of attacks.
16:08And briefly,
16:09what leverage do the Europeans
16:10have over President Trump,
16:12for example,
16:12who seems to trust the Russians
16:14more than he does the EU?
16:15I think the leverage
16:16that we have over the United States
16:18is to show the United States
16:19that we have heard the message
16:21loud and proud
16:21for President Trump.
16:22We are standing
16:23on our own two feet
16:24and we do have a plan.
16:26But Christian is right.
16:27There can be certainly
16:28a ramping up,
16:29particularly in relation to,
16:31excuse me,
16:31the financial sanctions,
16:32a ramp up of that
16:34instead of having
16:35so many talks about talks.
16:37Now, bearing in mind
16:38that countries,
16:39some countries in Europe
16:39are more adversely affected
16:41if we do impose
16:42the trading sanctions.
16:43So we have to be careful
16:44that we don't create
16:45another crisis.
16:46But you're quite right.
16:47Perhaps more could be done
16:48in that regard.
16:49But with regards to America,
16:50I think Christian is right.
16:52We have to stand up
16:53with a powerful voice.
16:54Kaya Callas is doing that.
16:55She's doing it
16:56in a feminine way,
16:57which obviously juxtaposes
16:59against President Trump,
17:00who's calling journalist
17:01Miss Piggy
17:01on Air Force One.
17:03But at the same time,
17:04I would prefer
17:05to have her leadership
17:06rather than the likes
17:07of what we're seeing
17:08across the pond.
17:09Cynthia, we're a big fan
17:10there of Kaya Callas.
17:12Look, we've heard
17:12some points of view
17:13from our MEPs here.
17:14And now I would like
17:15to bring in another voice.
17:17And I'd like to bring in
17:22the voice of Ben Hodges,
17:23the former commanding general
17:25of the U.S. Army Europe,
17:27speaking to me earlier
17:28here on Euronews.
17:29He said,
17:29the U.S. really sees Europe
17:31as inconsequential,
17:32except maybe for some
17:34business purposes.
17:35Europe, he said,
17:36is slowly waking
17:37to the realization
17:38that they cannot count
17:39on the U.S.
17:40to be a fair interlocutor here.
17:43Christian,
17:44are we inconsequential?
17:45Up to a point, yes.
17:47He said we're fourth
17:48on the list of the priorities
17:49of the Americans.
17:50Yes, because for so many years
17:52we allowed ourselves
17:53to be fourth on their list.
17:56Trump said,
17:57when he was asked recently
17:58or a few months ago,
18:00what is his position
18:00on Ukraine
18:01and how U.S. is going to react
18:03to what is happening there,
18:04he said, you know,
18:04there are two oceans
18:05between U.S. and Russia.
18:06Which geographically is correct.
18:08There are two oceans,
18:09Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean.
18:12It should be us,
18:12the Europeans.
18:13the driving force
18:15of the peace deal
18:16in Ukraine.
18:17And we are not right now
18:18because we talk too much
18:19and we act soft.
18:22Russia,
18:23this is the important,
18:23look,
18:24every time when Putin speaks,
18:26he makes reference
18:27to certain historical events.
18:29Russia developed a technique
18:30to twist historical events
18:33to their favor.
18:34Yeah.
18:34And they use that
18:36in a way to shape the narrative
18:38and to influence the population.
18:39We come with this
18:40sometimes tough talks
18:42but with soft actions
18:44and we speak
18:45and we talk publicly
18:46about immediate consequences.
18:50Let's do something right now.
18:51They have the time to wait
18:52and then when they make
18:53any reference to history,
18:55they twist what happened
18:56in the past.
18:57Can I just say,
18:58Trump has forgotten
18:58that he's got a major trading bloc
19:01and he's got major economic ties
19:03to Europe.
19:03And he's kind of forgotten
19:04about that
19:05because he's speed dating China
19:06and he's speed dating Putin.
19:09But he's after finding out now,
19:10he's after sending
19:11Jared Kushner,
19:12his son-in-law,
19:13and he's after sending
19:14Steve Widkoff and so forth.
19:16And they're after being given,
19:17as we say in Ireland,
19:18the bums rush,
19:19the shut door.
19:20They're gone now.
19:21And their proposals
19:22about more business ties
19:23between America and Russia
19:24have come to zero.
19:26Zero.
19:26And now Trump is going to think,
19:28hmm,
19:28we do have an awful lot
19:30of dependency
19:31in terms of our business benefits
19:33from Europe.
19:34And interesting this week as well,
19:35NATO foreign ministers
19:37gathered in Brussels
19:37without the US Secretary of State
19:39Marco Rubio around the table.
19:40A very unusual move.
19:42But on that point,
19:42we can close this conversation
19:44to take a very short break
19:45here on The Ring.
19:46But do stay with us
19:47because we'll be back
19:48very soon
19:49with some more
19:49political punch
19:50from the heart
19:51of the European Parliament.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring,
20:03Euronews' weekly debating show
20:05broadcasting from the European Parliament
20:07here in Brussels.
20:09I'm joined by the MEPs
20:10Cynthia Niwereku
20:11from Renew Europe
20:12and Christian Tersh
20:13from the European Conservatives
20:14and Reformists.
20:15And the idea here
20:16is to bring the European Parliament
20:17debates to your very couch.
20:20So,
20:20what about you?
20:21How do you feel
20:22about the war in Ukraine?
20:23Has the EU done enough?
20:25And would you be willing
20:26to fight
20:26if Russia invaded your country
20:28or another EU member state?
20:30Well,
20:30Euronews' reporters
20:31took to the streets
20:32of Athens,
20:33Madrid,
20:33Bucharest
20:34and Warsaw
20:34to find out.
20:35Take a look.
20:36for respect for my family.
20:38I don't want to go
20:39to go where I go
20:40and let my family remain
20:41when I can help
20:44in Europe.
20:44I think we should
20:46fight as a country
20:47and to be
20:48in the same way,
20:48because as a member
20:51I would not take
20:52fight.
20:53I always fight
20:54for my country,
20:55of course.
20:55I think that
20:56it's a honor
20:58to be able
20:58to be able
20:58for my country,
20:59so,
20:59of course,
21:00I am able
21:00to be able
21:01to be able
21:01to be able
21:02to be able
21:02to be able
21:03que tenhamos que estar pensando
21:04en este tipo de formação.
21:06Europa hemos vivido, entre comillas,
21:08muito bem, e talvez agora nos toca
21:10dar o do de pecho,
21:12mas eu acho que antes que a nós,
21:14aos nossos jovens, que nós já vamos ter uma idade.
21:16Eu sim. Eu, inclusive, este ano
21:18me planteo ser reservista,
21:20mas se houver uma milha, eu me apontaria.
21:22Não, não é, não é, eu não quero
21:24arriscar minha vida para qualquer terceiro.
21:33Mas nós não chegamos até aquele ponto
21:34em que alguém tem que morrer físicamente.
21:37A guerra é o último resorte.
21:38Quando você chega a guerra,
21:39você sabe, é o colapso da diplomacia.
21:42Então, para evitar uma guerra,
21:45você precisa preparar para a guerra.
21:46Todos falam agora e entendem
21:48o motivo por que eles estão preocupados
21:49ou, você sabe, em apoio de ir para a guerra.
21:52Mas esse é o último resorte.
21:53Nós precisamos preparar, você sabe,
21:54com todas essas coisas antes disso.
21:56E eu digo, se você estiver forte
21:58e você projeta o poder,
22:00a Rússia não vai atacar você.
22:01A Rússia é como um bairro.
22:02A bairro é atacar a weak animal.
22:05O que é isso em pessoas pensam,
22:06você acha que, Céthia Niwarku?
22:07Em Irlanda, por exemplo,
22:08a country que está fora de...
22:09Eu dealo com Irlanda,
22:10e Irlanda não é um voxopo.
22:11Mas o que isso mostra é
22:13a diferença, a diversidade.
22:15Mas nós temos que ter inclusividade.
22:17Para mim,
22:18Europa é full de diversidade, inclusividade
22:19e valores de liberal.
22:20Isso pode ser diferente
22:21para a Christiana parte.
22:22Mas, tendo que sete isso aside,
22:24mostra que nós,
22:25como representantes de Europa,
22:27precisamos falar com nossos votos
22:29em uma verdadeira,
22:31informática,
22:32inteligente,
22:33a forma de fato
22:34que militarização
22:35não significa a Europa.
22:37Não significa a destruição
22:38de neutralidade em Irlanda.
22:39Não significa que
22:40crianças em Irlanda
22:41irão irão irão irão
22:41irão irão irão irão irão
22:42para conspiração.
22:43Isso significa
22:43diferentes coisas
22:44para diferentes países,
22:45mas,
22:45tem que ter que ser
22:46unidade entre Europa
22:48em relação a proteção
22:50de Europa
22:51e fortes Europa.
22:52Mas, não significa
22:53capital F.
22:54Então, o resposta
22:55que você tinha
22:56se você tinha
22:56para falar
22:57sobre essa questão?
22:58Oh, eu acho que
22:58a resposta
22:59em Irlanda
22:59é que as pessoas
23:00estão muito
23:01muito, muito
23:02afraid
23:02de uma militarização
23:04que destruiu
23:05nossa neutrality,
23:06que atrasse
23:06em alguma forma,
23:07porque isso é
23:08held muito
23:09e, de fato,
23:10é em nossa Constituição.
23:11Então,
23:11é diferente
23:12para cada país.
23:13É muito fácil
23:13ser crítico
23:14da EU
23:15em termos
23:15de negociação
23:16e de sanctions
23:17e assim,
23:18e assim,
23:18mas,
23:18nós temos um trabalho
23:19para fazer também.
23:20Não é tudo
23:20sobre a higher
23:21echelons de Europa
23:22leading out.
23:23Então,
23:23tem que ter errado
23:24de Brussels
23:25e não tiveram
23:25isso certo,
23:26essa ideia
23:26de rearming
23:27Europa?
23:27Bom,
23:28rearming
23:28Europa é um
23:29bom projeto
23:30e nós realmente
23:30supportamos.
23:31Mas,
23:31temos que voltar
23:32a narrativa.
23:33Ele que faz
23:33o argumento
23:34wins o debate.
23:35O debate
23:36agora,
23:36em Brussels
23:37e em D.C.,
23:38é sobre
23:38let's ter
23:38a paz.
23:40A narrativa
23:41em Moscou
23:42é
23:42let's
23:42win.
23:43Então,
23:44nós não falamos
23:45em Europa
23:46nem em D.C.
23:47sobre o
23:48que a guerra
23:48que não começou.
23:50Nós não
23:50falamos.
23:50Nós sempre falamos
23:52sobre o
23:52S.F.
23:53Então,
23:53Putin
23:54sabe isso.
23:55E Cristian
23:56e eu
23:56discutimos
23:57que
23:58Putin
23:58quer mais.
23:59Ele quer
23:59pegar.
24:00A conversa
24:00em Russia
24:01é sobre
24:01pegar mais.
24:02Exatamente,
24:02porque se você
24:03dar dinheiro
24:04para a paz,
24:05amanhã
24:06você terá outro
24:07guerra,
24:07então eles
24:08poderão
24:08tomar mais
24:08mais
24:09para
24:09pretender
24:10peace.
24:10Eu estava
24:11em um
24:11delegação
24:12em Latvia
24:12e eu
24:13e eu
24:15o primeiro
24:15billboard
24:16em Russia
24:17quando você
24:17passar o
24:18checkpoint,
24:19é a
24:19vitória.
24:20Então,
24:21sua mente
24:21desde a
24:22idade,
24:23crianças
24:23estão educadas
24:25para ganhar
24:26essa guerra
24:26contra o
24:27West.
24:27Isso não
24:28começou em
24:292014 ou
24:292008.
24:30Isso começou
24:31muito mais
24:31antes do
24:32que.
24:32Se nós
24:32não mudamos
24:33nossa mente
24:33para entender
24:34que
24:34temos
24:35o outro
24:35e
24:58final
24:58round.
24:59Our guest MEPs
25:04Are only allowed answer my question
25:06With a yes and no answer
25:08Is that doable Christian?
25:09Yes, bring it on
25:10Should Ukraine join the European Union?
25:13Yes
25:14Should they be fast-started into the European Union?
25:18Yes
25:18Should Ukraine be allowed join NATO?
25:24That is still on the
25:26That's not a binary, yes or no
25:28Christian? Yes
25:29What about peacekeepers?
25:30Should we be sending EU peacekeepers to Ukraine?
25:32We should send more weapons to Ukraine
25:34And peacekeepers?
25:35When the time comes, yes
25:37We should indeed, absolutely
25:38And I would be absolutely delighted
25:40If our Irish peacekeeping forces could go to Ukraine
25:43They have a wonderful history
25:44Should the EU have an army?
25:46Yes
25:46But it already has a national army
25:48We need to make sure that they work together
25:50And fight for the same cause
25:52Should the EU have a European army with the European flag?
25:55If I understand it in the way you're putting the question
25:57No
25:58I don't believe in that
25:59Should we use frozen Russian acids to fund Ukraine?
26:03Most definitely
26:04Yes
26:05Should we block then the Belgian veto for this?
26:08Well, we need to talk more
26:09Inside of EU to make sure that they
26:12Understand the game that is played here
26:14Yes, to his answer
26:16I agree with his answer
26:17And if the war
26:18It's nuanced
26:19It's nuanced
26:19Did end
26:20And Russia did come around
26:22Should we lift the sanctions against Russia?
26:23Yes, I believe in the spirit of finality
26:28But of course Putin doesn't believe in finality
26:32He just wants more
26:33He wants to make the Russian empire great again
26:36Or better than it is now
26:37Christian?
26:38We need to make sure that Russia loses this war
26:42The sanctions should be kept on place
26:45Until they fully pay Ukraine for the damage that they've done
26:49Have you agreed with each other?
26:50I think quite a lot, right?
26:51Well, this is a topic that despite our ideological differences
26:54You know, this is a topic that unites us
26:56And I know this show is more about fighting and stuff
27:01Sometimes politicians from different political groups
27:04Will need to understand that there are issues
27:06That exceed their political differences
27:09And this is one
27:10I hope this programme renews the viewers' interest and support
27:14For the European project
27:15We certainly have shown our viewers, I believe
27:18A glimpse of the European hemicycle
27:19Where sometimes MEPs disagree
27:21And sometimes, in fact, they agree
27:23Cynthia Newarku and Christian Teresh
27:25Thank you so much for being our guests on The Ring
27:27Thanks, Maeve
27:28And thank you so much for watching
27:30If you have any views on anything you've heard today
27:33Please get in touch
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