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UE arrisca ser arrastada para a guerra? Eurodeputados debatem crise no Médio Oriente
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00:08Olá e bem-vindos a The Ring,
00:12Euronews' debate show,
00:13broadcasts from the European Parliament
00:15here in Brussels.
00:17Once a week,
00:18two elected members of the European Parliament
00:21go head-to-head
00:22to debate the most pressing issues
00:24facing the European Union.
00:26Today, we hone in on the escalating conflict
00:30that's gripping the Middle East.
00:32As EU nations risk getting dragged in,
00:35where does this leave Europe's economy and security?
00:39Luis Albertos and Amaya Echevarria report.
00:44The US and Israel's attacks on Iran
00:47and the ensuing Iranian retaliation
00:49marks one of the most serious escalations
00:51in the Middle East in years.
00:54Tehran's targeting of Western military bases
00:57in the region
00:57and the involvement of Iran-backed militias
01:00in Yemen and Lebanon
01:01have heightened fears of a spiraling conflict.
01:04For Europe, the crisis is not a faraway problem.
01:07It touches directly on the bloc's energy security,
01:10migration flows,
01:11inflationary pressures
01:12and the safety of European nationals in the region.
01:17Yet, the EU is struggling to exert
01:19any diplomatic leverage on the conflict,
01:21which has exposed the fault lines dividing its leaders.
01:25Spain has openly condemned the US-Israeli intervention
01:29and questioned its legality.
01:31Yet, France, Germany and the United Kingdom,
01:33after initially distancing themselves,
01:35have fallen in line with the US
01:36and expressed readiness to defend their allies' interests.
01:40Can the EU act as a credible diplomatic intermediary,
01:44providing space for de-escalation?
01:46Or will it remain politically aligned with Washington
01:48while operationally sidelined
01:50and economically exposed to shocks it cannot control?
01:53Once again, Europe's long-standing preference
01:55for rules, trade and negotiation
01:57is being tested by hard power realities.
02:03Just some of the pressing questions we have for our contenders today.
02:08Let's meet them.
02:11Hanna Yalul, a Spanish MEP from the Socialists and Democrats Group,
02:15a political scientist
02:16and former Secretary of State for Migration in Spain,
02:19she is the Vice Chair of the Committee on Foreign Affairs
02:22at the European Parliament.
02:23In the context of the war in Iran,
02:25she said,
02:26Unilateral military actions should be avoided and rejected.
02:30Diplomacy and respect for international law
02:32should be the path to follow.
02:34Wars in security and uncertainty
02:36only make the world a worse place.
02:38The EU cannot have double standards.
02:41De-escalation is a must.
02:43Reinhold Lopatka,
02:44an Austrian MEP from the Central-Right European People's Party.
02:48A long-standing foreign policy specialist,
02:50he focuses on security and defense
02:52and is the Chair of the Delegation for Relations
02:54with the Arab Peninsula in the European Parliament.
02:57The totalitarian regime in Tehran
02:58poses a grave threat to the Gulf region,
03:01to the Middle East,
03:02to Israel
03:02and to Europe as a whole.
03:04At a moment when the Middle East
03:06can least withstand further turmoil,
03:08Iran strikes on several Gulf countries,
03:10risk widening divisions
03:11and undermining hard-won efforts towards stability,
03:14he said.
03:17Hanna Yalul, Reinhold Lopatka,
03:19welcome to The Ring.
03:21So the idea here is to give our viewers at home
03:25a glimpse into the debates
03:26that happen here in the European Parliament.
03:28So I'm hoping that you'll feel right at home
03:31here in The Ring.
03:32So my first question is to you,
03:34MEP Yalul.
03:36Were the initial attacks
03:38by the US and Israel on Iran
03:40over the weekend,
03:41in your view, justified?
03:43I mean, as you know,
03:45and as my prime minister,
03:47Pedro Sánchez,
03:47have stated,
03:48we think that any unilateral military intervention
03:50that has not passed through
03:52the security camps of the United Nations
03:54is not in compliance with international law.
03:57So we condemn any unilateral attack.
04:01This is not to say
04:02that we are supporting the Iranian regime
04:04in any case, you know,
04:05because we have been against the Iranian regime
04:08criticizing the killing of Masha Amini
04:10and, you know,
04:10the protesters, you know,
04:12in the streets
04:12that were fighting for human rights
04:14and their liberties.
04:16And we have always condemned
04:18the relation of the Iranian regime
04:21with the militias
04:22such as Hezbollah
04:23or the Houthis
04:23or Hamas.
04:24So very critical with them,
04:26always.
04:27And we fought
04:28to include the Revolutionary Guard
04:30in the EU terrorist list.
04:31So a condemnation
04:32of the Iranian regime
04:33but also of the US-Israeli intervention.
04:37Mr. Lopatka,
04:38do you think
04:39that this military intervention
04:40from the US and Israel
04:41was justified?
04:43I can't agree.
04:44Why?
04:45Because if we would wait
04:47until the Security Council
04:49of the United Nations
04:50is acting,
04:51we would never have a result.
04:53You know,
04:53it is blocked
04:54by Russia
04:55and China.
04:56They always support Iran.
04:58Whatever is ongoing there.
05:00So don't forget.
05:02This regime in Iran,
05:03the Mullah regime,
05:04is a terrorist regime.
05:06What did they do?
05:08They killed thousands
05:09of their own people.
05:11There was state oppression
05:13to the Kurds.
05:14There are 8 million Kurds.
05:16Have in mind
05:17how they killed
05:18Masha Animi
05:20some years ago.
05:21They are founding
05:23terrorist groups
05:24in the region.
05:26Hamas,
05:27Hezbollah,
05:28the Houthis.
05:29and they are
05:30a big danger
05:31also for Europe.
05:32We should not forget it.
05:33It was a diplomat.
05:35He was in Vienna
05:36in our embassy.
05:37Then he was sentenced
05:38here in Belgium
05:39for 20 years
05:41because he was
05:42supporting terrorism
05:43here on European soil.
05:44So what I want to say is
05:47we can speak about
05:49international law
05:51and here you can say
05:53maybe it was illegal
05:54but I think
05:56the United States
05:58and Israel
05:59were legitimized
06:01to start with these strikes.
06:02So let me put that argument
06:04to you MEP
06:04He's saying
06:06well maybe the legality
06:07is questionable
06:08but isn't Europe
06:10letting the US
06:11and Israel
06:12do its dirty work
06:13in the Middle East
06:14by going after the proxies
06:15going after the nuclear
06:16and missile programs
06:17of Tehran for example.
06:19Do you agree with that?
06:20Well what I do think
06:21is that we have
06:22diplomacy for something.
06:23First of all
06:24we cannot use
06:25double standards.
06:25We cannot criticize
06:26other aggressions
06:27you know
06:27for other countries
06:28and then say
06:30that this is something
06:31we can do.
06:31But this is about
06:32international law
06:33the system that we gave
06:34to ourselves
06:34after 45.
06:36So either we believe
06:37in international law
06:38or we don't believe in that.
06:39And we have means
06:40like diplomacy.
06:41Let's remember that
06:42one day before the conflict
06:44even the Iranians
06:45sitting in a table
06:48of negotiations
06:48with the Omanis
06:49said that it will work
06:50not to enrich themselves.
06:52We know that
06:52and we have investigating
06:54and we send inspectors
06:55in order to see
06:56that it will enrich
06:57and even
06:59if the director
07:01of the nuclear agency
07:02said a few days ago
07:03that they were not sure
07:04that they were building
07:05nuclear weapons
07:06but they had more than
07:0860% of the allowed
07:09enrichment of uranium.
07:10So we have been
07:11very critical of that.
07:12We were under control
07:12but don't forget
07:13that we have also
07:14a deal in 2015
07:15between Iran
07:15and six other countries
07:16where the US
07:17were within that countries
07:19even Russia and China
07:20and then the US
07:22unilaterally deployed
07:23afterwards
07:23which had as a consequence
07:27Iran enriching much more
07:28and restricting
07:29more of the inspections.
07:30So either we have
07:32a consensus against Iran
07:33on diplomacy
07:35fighting the enrichment
07:36on uranium
07:37and targeting
07:39any other kind
07:40of activities
07:40they can have
07:41or I mean
07:42it cannot be unilateral.
07:44We need to go
07:44all together
07:45and based on
07:45international
07:46based rule system.
07:47You bring up
07:47this question
07:48of double standards
07:49because the EU
07:50does pride itself
07:51on upholding
07:51the rules-based order
07:53international law
07:54you said yourself
07:54that you question
07:56the legality of this
07:57yet the EU
07:57always is talking
07:58about international law
07:59in places like
08:00like Ukraine
08:00isn't this double standards
08:02from the EU?
08:02No, not at all.
08:04Why?
08:04There's a big difference
08:05between the invasion
08:07in Ukraine
08:08of Russia
08:09to take the country
08:11not respecting
08:12the sovereignty
08:13not at all
08:14and the situation
08:15here
08:16the UN charter
08:17and I'm absolutely
08:19sure
08:19that the purpose
08:20of it
08:20is to protect
08:21human life
08:23and not to shield
08:24terrorist regimes
08:25like in Iran.
08:26The Security Council
08:28is not working
08:29so we are in
08:30a very difficult situation
08:32because I think
08:34the bigger threat
08:35is when the Security Council
08:37is misused
08:38by regimes
08:41like Iran
08:43by dictators
08:45like Putin
08:46and on the other side
08:48we have to do
08:49everything
08:50to protect
08:52the interest
08:53of our people
08:54and fighting terrorism
08:56and Iran
08:58is the biggest sponsor
08:59of terrorism
09:00giving Israel
09:02the chance
09:03to survive
09:03as a nation
09:04I think
09:05this is our duty
09:07and it's absolutely
09:08in the interest
09:09of Europe
09:10so there's a big difference
09:11and no double standards
09:13not at all.
09:13Your reaction
09:14we are not talking
09:15about the right
09:17of existence
09:17of Israel
09:18we all do believe
09:19in the right
09:20of existence
09:20of the State of Israel
09:21we have support
09:21that
09:22and we support
09:23Israelis
09:23we don't support
09:24this government
09:24certainly
09:25of extreme right
09:26but we do support
09:27Israel
09:27this is not about
09:28this
09:28let's not going
09:29to mix things
09:29and then you talk
09:30about the UN charter
09:31to defend
09:32human rights
09:33but then you are
09:33against the Security Council
09:35because it is inefficient
09:36so there is a contradiction
09:38there
09:38this is one
09:39and second
09:39what we are talking
09:40about here
09:41is that we need
09:42at least to talk
09:43between us
09:44to have some
09:44resolution
09:45in our Council
09:46and you know
09:47with our member states
09:49you saw yesterday
09:51not that even France
09:52was saying
09:53that against this invasion
09:54Starmer
09:55Prime Minister Starmer
09:57is not even supporting that
09:58so there is a huge invasion
09:59even if Starmer
10:00is not part of the European Union
10:01but Europeans as a whole
10:03so we need to have
10:04at least some base
10:06you know
10:06of the unity
10:07between our member states
10:09and us
10:09as a European Union
10:10in order to conduct this
10:12and it's not to say
10:13that we will support
10:14certain things
10:15for example
10:15the French also deployed
10:16some you know
10:18some defense system
10:19now in Cyprus
10:20so when it comes
10:22to certain things
10:23we are going to be united
10:23but we need to have
10:24a talk between us
10:25this is not about
10:26unilaterally
10:26and please
10:27let's not mix this
10:28with the issue
10:30of Israel
10:30being a state
10:31because we do believe
10:32in Israel
10:33we don't mix this
10:34but sorry
10:34in the ideology
10:35of Iran
10:35Israel is in the center
10:37and Ahmadinejad
10:39when he
10:40was a president
10:42in Iran
10:43and his slogan
10:44from the river
10:45to the sea
10:46it is
10:47in the constitution
10:48of Iran
10:49to destroy
10:49the state
10:50of Israel
10:51don't forget it
10:52don't forget it
10:54and you have to
10:55understand
10:56here
10:57Israel
10:57and of course
10:58the United States
10:59are very close
11:00with Israel
11:01and now
11:02what did they do
11:03yes on the one hand
11:04we had the negotiations
11:05when I was
11:06state secretary
11:07in Austria
11:08in the foreign ministry
11:09I traveled to Iran
11:10to start these negotiations
11:12and then
11:13we had the negotiations
11:14in Vienna
11:15but they used it
11:18on the one hand
11:19having the negotiations
11:20on the other hand
11:21to enrich uranium
11:23and they were very close
11:24to the atomic bomb
11:26they were very close
11:27and then
11:28when they are
11:29on this stage
11:29it's too late
11:30ok
11:31I'll have to stop you there
11:32this brings this round
11:34to an end
11:34there's plenty more time
11:35for debate
11:36do not worry
11:37so let's move on
11:42it's now time
11:43for our contenders
11:44to challenge
11:45each other
11:45by firing
11:46their own questions
11:48so let's
11:48get started
11:49I'll start with you
11:51MEP Lopatka
11:51your first question
11:52for MEP Yalul
11:53as we mentioned already
11:55the government of Spain
11:56has been one
11:58of the very few
11:59in Europe
12:00to condemn
12:01the United States
12:03and Israel's
12:04military action
12:05and
12:07you
12:08even
12:08you didn't
12:09allow
12:10US bases
12:11in Rota
12:12and in Moron
12:13for operations
12:14against Iran
12:15do you think
12:16that
12:17it was ok
12:19how Spain
12:20acted
12:20was it
12:21solidarity
12:22or was it
12:23the opposite
12:24thank you for your question
12:26Mr. Lopatka
12:27well I will say
12:28that there is
12:28from the 80s
12:30a US defense
12:30cooperation agreement
12:31between Spain
12:32and the US
12:33and the use
12:35of the bases
12:36something
12:37is a prerogative
12:37of the government
12:39of Spain
12:39so they have
12:41the right
12:42to let this
12:42be in use
12:43if it is in compliance
12:44with international law
12:45which we do think
12:46it's not in compliance
12:47with international law
12:48the message of the president
12:49was very clear
12:50today in the morning
12:50he said
12:51no to the war
12:52we don't know
12:53what is the outcome
12:54of this war yet
12:54and what
12:55but we do really
12:56certainly know
12:57that what the
12:58words bring
13:00is
13:01much more immigration
13:03terrorism
13:03uncertainty
13:04you know
13:05the rise of prices
13:06and this affects
13:07European citizens too
13:08and this affects
13:09European security too
13:10so this is why
13:11we are really worried
13:12about that
13:12and another thing
13:13you said before
13:14we have defended
13:15the Gulf countries
13:16of course
13:16we have listed statements
13:17even my prime minister
13:18and the European Union
13:20because we do believe
13:21that Iran
13:22should not have
13:23attacked
13:24any Gulf countries
13:25we are supporting
13:26of all of them
13:26this solidarity
13:27this is solidarity
13:28because they have been
13:29attacked
13:30and they have also
13:31the right
13:31to defend themselves
13:32and then when you were
13:33saying about
13:33the European Union
13:36and supporting
13:37the prime minister
13:38we are very grateful
13:39because
13:39the commission said
13:41the state it yesterday
13:41very clear
13:42they will support
13:43the prime minister
13:44Pedro Sánchez
13:45in trade issues
13:45because of the
13:46attacks of president Trump
13:47because of course
13:48we know
13:48last night
13:48that president Trump
13:49said he would
13:50halt all trade
13:51with Spain
13:51because of its position
13:52now I want to
13:52give you the opportunity
13:54to ask your first
13:55questions please
13:56to Mr. Lopatska
13:57you know that
14:00Secretary General
14:01Guterres
14:01has explicitly
14:02stated
14:02that
14:03U.S.
14:04on Iran
14:05launched
14:05February 28
14:06violate
14:07UN charter
14:08the one you were
14:09mentioned also
14:09before
14:09and there was
14:11no security
14:11gas
14:12authorization
14:12how do you justify
14:15military actions
14:16to Iran
14:18first of all
14:20I have to say
14:20the Secretary General
14:21is correct
14:22on the letter
14:23of the law
14:25but we have to see
14:27a broader picture
14:28you know
14:29we cannot end
14:30with a legal
14:31paragraph
14:32and it was
14:34a commission
14:34an independent
14:35commission
14:36initiated by
14:37the Swedish
14:38prime minister
14:39a social
14:40democrat
14:40in the year
14:412000
14:42after the United
14:43States
14:44have bombed
14:45Serbia
14:46and this
14:47commission
14:48Kofi Annan
14:49was the
14:50Secretary General
14:50of the United
14:51Nations
14:51they said
14:52at that time
14:53yes
14:54it was
14:55illegal
14:55but
14:56legitimate
14:57and I see
14:59it now
15:00in Iran
15:01yes
15:02you can say
15:03it is illegal
15:04but
15:05it was
15:05legitimated
15:06and
15:07you gave
15:07the answer
15:08what did
15:09Iran
15:09they bombed
15:10the Gulf
15:11countries
15:11all the Gulf
15:12countries
15:12they are a
15:13big threat
15:14they sent
15:15thrones
15:16to Cyprus
15:17so
15:18we have
15:19not
15:19to forget
15:21how
15:21big
15:22the danger
15:23was
15:23coming from
15:24Iran
15:25and they
15:25proved it
15:26and they
15:26proved it
15:26today again
15:27because they
15:28bombed
15:28today again
15:30Qatar
15:30the United
15:32Arab Emirates
15:33and even
15:34they bombed
15:34Saudi Arabia
15:35let me stop
15:36you there
15:36this brings
15:37this round
15:37to an end
15:38we've heard
15:39the views
15:39from our
15:39two MEPs
15:40I will
15:40still be
15:41quizzing you
15:42on this
15:42issue
15:43but it's
15:43time to
15:44bring
15:44another
15:44voice
15:45into
15:45the
15:46debate
15:49and I'd
15:50like to
15:51bring in
15:52a voice
15:52from
15:52across
15:53the
15:53Atlantic
15:54General
15:55David
15:55Petros
15:56the former
15:56CIA
15:57chief
15:57and
15:58US
15:58army
15:59general
15:59spoke
15:59to
16:00Euronews
16:00earlier
16:01this
16:01week
16:01and he
16:02said
16:02it would
16:03have been
16:04good
16:04for
16:05Europeans
16:05to
16:06join
16:06for
16:07defence
16:07purposes
16:08Iran
16:09is not
16:09going to
16:10limit
16:10its
16:11targets
16:11to
16:11just
16:12US
16:12bases
16:13and
16:13Israel
16:14my
16:14understanding
16:15is that
16:16the
16:16possibility
16:16of
16:17European
16:17nations
16:18taking
16:18part
16:19in a
16:19more
16:20offensive
16:21capacity
16:21has been
16:22discussed
16:22the fact
16:23that it
16:24is being
16:24discussed
16:25indicates
16:26that it
16:26is
16:27certainly
16:27a
16:28possibility
16:29what's
16:29what's
16:30reaction
16:30to
16:30that
16:30I
16:31have
16:31certain
16:31doubts
16:32on
16:32it
16:32because
16:32as
16:33I
16:33said
16:34France
16:34deploy
16:35some
16:35of
16:35their
16:35capacities
16:36and
16:36even
16:36the
16:37UK
16:37because
16:38of
16:38the
16:38bombing
16:38of
16:39near
16:39airbase
16:40strikes
16:41in
16:41Cyprus
16:41by
16:42the
16:42Iranians
16:43So
16:43yes
16:43they
16:44are
16:44deploying
16:44some
16:45teams
16:45and
16:46equipment
16:46around
16:46everything
16:47but
16:47that's
16:47not
16:48implied
16:49that
16:49they
16:49are
16:49fully
16:49involved
16:50in
16:50that
16:51as far
16:51as I
16:52know
16:52because
16:52of
16:53the
16:53statements
16:54of
16:55Prime Minister
16:56Starmer
16:56yesterday
16:57Starmer
16:58and
16:58then
16:58also
16:59Macron
17:00and
17:00certainly
17:00Prime Minister
17:02If
17:02I
17:02may
17:02ask
17:03you
17:03if
17:03the
17:04assets
17:05and
17:05allies
17:06of
17:06the
17:06West
17:06in
17:07the
17:07Gulf
17:07for
17:07example
17:08are
17:08being
17:08now
17:08targeted
17:09relentlessly
17:10by
17:10Iran
17:11doesn't
17:12that
17:12mean
17:12that
17:12Europe
17:13has
17:13now
17:13responsibility
17:14to
17:15step
17:15in
17:15and
17:16help
17:16its
17:16allies
17:17That
17:17depends
17:18if
17:18we
17:18are
17:18asked
17:19for
17:19we
17:19have
17:20not
17:20been
17:20asked
17:20for
17:20as
17:21far
17:21as
17:21I
17:21know
17:21by
17:21the
17:21GCC
17:22countries
17:26supporting
17:27their
17:27right
17:27to
17:28defense
17:28themselves
17:28against
17:29Iran
17:29as
17:30well
17:30as
17:30we
17:30criticize
17:31also
17:31Iran
17:31attacks
17:32also
17:33to
17:33Israel
17:34that
17:34killed
17:35also
17:36nine
17:37people
17:37the
17:38other
17:38day
17:38in
17:38Israel
17:39and
17:40also
17:40criticizing
17:41the
17:41fact
17:41that
17:41more
17:42than
17:4252
17:43kids
17:43were
17:44killed
17:44also
17:45in
17:45Iran
17:46but
17:46we
17:46have
17:46not
17:47been
17:47asked
17:47by
17:47now
17:47as
17:48far
17:48as
17:48I
17:48know
17:48by
17:48any
17:49GCC
17:49countries
17:49Do
17:50you
17:50think
17:50it's
17:51a
17:51danger
17:51now
17:51that
17:52Europe
17:52is
17:52going
17:52to
17:52be
17:52dragged
17:53in
17:53a
17:53more
17:53offensive
17:54way
17:54in
17:54this
17:54conflict
17:55how
17:56I
17:56see
17:56it
17:57Europe
17:58should
17:58be
17:58active
17:59sorry
17:59we
17:59should
17:59not
18:00only
18:00look
18:00what
18:00Israel
18:01and
18:01the
18:01United
18:02States
18:02are
18:02doing
18:02also
18:03it
18:04is
18:04in
18:04our
18:04interest
18:05for
18:05example
18:06to
18:07support
18:07the
18:08United
18:08States
18:09to
18:09open
18:09this
18:10trade
18:10of
18:10Hormos
18:11again
18:11and
18:12here
18:13we
18:13were
18:13active
18:14in
18:14the
18:14Red
18:15Sea
18:15by
18:16the
18:16way
18:16also
18:17a
18:17proxy
18:17supported
18:18by
18:18Iran
18:19we
18:19haven't
18:20discussed
18:22in
18:22is
18:23the
18:23regime
18:23in
18:24Iran
18:24it's
18:24unclear
18:25whether
18:25Trump
18:26is
18:26pursuing
18:26regime
18:27change
18:28the
18:28EU
18:28has
18:29made
18:29statements
18:29in
18:30recent
18:30days
18:30von der
18:31Leyen
18:31for
18:31example
18:31supporting
18:32the
18:32idea
18:32of
18:32regime
18:33change
18:33should
18:34the
18:34EU
18:34be
18:34intervening
18:35here
18:35and
18:36calling
18:36for
18:36the
18:36toppling
18:37of
18:37the
18:37regime
18:37you
18:38know
18:38our
18:38strength
18:39in
18:39Europe
18:39is
18:40not
18:40in
18:41military
18:41operations
18:42but
18:42we
18:43are
18:43very
18:43strong
18:43in
18:44institution
18:45building
18:45in
18:46supporting
18:46civil
18:46society
18:47in
18:48building
18:48up
18:49institutions
18:50for
18:50a
18:50free
18:51and
18:51democratic
18:52Iran
18:52and
18:52here
18:53of
18:53course
18:54we
18:54should
18:54be
18:54very
18:55active
18:55to
18:56support
18:56the
18:57people
18:57and
18:58also
18:58support
18:58the
18:58Kurds
18:59and
18:59rumors
18:59that
19:00Reza Pallavi
19:00the
19:01son
19:01of
19:01the
19:01last
19:01Shah
19:02could
19:02be
19:02invited
19:02to
19:03the
19:03European
19:03Parliament
19:03perhaps
19:04in
19:04the
19:05next
19:05weeks
19:05what
19:05do
19:05you
19:05make
19:06of
19:06that
19:06I
19:07would
19:07refuse
19:07completely
19:08his
19:08intervention
19:09in
19:09this
19:09parliament
19:09everybody
19:10has
19:10the
19:11right
19:11to
19:11talk
19:11but
19:11of
19:12course
19:12I
19:13Trump
19:15was
19:15saying
19:15yesterday
19:16by
19:16the
19:16way
19:16he
19:17will
19:17not
19:17be
19:17supportive
19:18of
19:18him
19:18we
19:19cannot
19:19repeat
19:19the
19:20mistakes
19:20of
19:20the
19:20past
19:21who
19:21is
19:21this
19:21man
19:24it's
19:24a
19:25decision
19:25of
19:25the
19:25Iranian
19:26people
19:26we
19:28should
19:29not
19:29charge
19:30them
19:31it's
19:31their
19:31decision
19:32and
19:32we
19:32should
19:33invite
19:33not
19:34only
19:34one
19:34person
19:35we
19:35should
19:35invite
19:36a
19:36group
19:36of
19:37activists
19:37and
19:38if
19:38he
19:38is
19:38one
19:39in
19:40this
19:40group
19:41if
19:41he
19:41is
19:41focused
19:42on
19:42him
19:43but
19:45in
19:45other
19:45people
19:46we're
19:46all
19:46warmed
19:47up
19:47here
19:47it's
19:48time
19:48I
19:48think
19:48to
19:49take
19:49a
19:49short
19:49break
19:50here
19:50on
19:50the
19:50ring
19:50but
19:51do
19:51stay
19:51with
19:51us
19:51we
19:52will
19:52be
19:52back
19:52very
19:52soon
20:02welcome
20:03back
20:03to
20:03the
20:04ring
20:04Euronews
20:05is
20:05new
20:05weekly
20:06debate
20:06show
20:07where
20:07I'm
20:07joined
20:08this
20:08week
20:08by
20:09MEP
20:09Hannah
20:10Yalul
20:10and
20:10Reinold
20:11Lopatka
20:12to
20:12discuss
20:12the
20:12escalating
20:13war
20:13in
20:14the
20:14Middle
20:14East
20:14and
20:15its
20:15implications
20:16for
20:16the
20:16European
20:17Union
20:17the
20:18conflict
20:18has
20:18now
20:19caused
20:19the
20:19effective
20:20closure
20:20of
20:20the
20:21Strait
20:21of
20:21Hormuz
20:22where
20:2220%
20:23of
20:23the
20:23world's
20:23oil
20:24supplies
20:24and
20:25seaborne
20:25gas
20:25tankers
20:26pass
20:26each
20:27year
20:27we
20:28took
20:28a
20:28look
20:28at
20:28fresh
20:28data
20:29showing
20:29the
20:29impact
20:30of
20:30this
20:30on
20:31the
20:31price
20:31of
20:31natural
20:31gas
20:32in
20:33the
20:33EU
20:33and
20:33as
20:34you
20:34can
20:34see
20:34there
20:35there
20:35has
20:35been
20:36a
20:36dramatic
20:36spike
20:37since
20:38the
20:38conflict
20:38broke
20:39out
20:39on
20:39Saturday
20:40with
20:40EU
20:41gas
20:41prices
20:41almost
20:42doubling
20:42to
20:43more
20:43than
20:4360
20:44euro
20:44per
20:44megawatt
20:45hour
20:45the
20:46highest
20:47in
20:47more
20:48than
20:48three
20:48years
20:49so
20:49okay
20:50it's
20:50clear
20:50that
20:51we
20:51have
20:51an
20:52energy
20:52shock
20:53here
20:53in
20:54Europe
20:54is
20:55it
20:55true
20:55to
20:55say
20:55that
20:56Europe
20:56is
20:57always
20:57the
20:57one
20:58suffering
20:58the
20:59economic
21:00brunt
21:00of
21:00these
21:01conflicts
21:01in
21:01the
21:02Middle
21:02East
21:02and
21:02it's
21:02going
21:02to
21:03affect
21:03European
21:03citizens
21:04and
21:04their
21:04pockets
21:04yes
21:05of
21:05course
21:05not
21:06only
21:06European
21:06citizens
21:07but
21:07the
21:07rest
21:07of
21:08the
21:08world
21:08you
21:08know
21:08because
21:08as
21:09you
21:09just
21:09said
21:0920%
21:10of
21:11gas
21:11is
21:11passing
21:12through
21:12Hormuz
21:12so
21:13I
21:20country
21:20is
21:20prepared
21:21in
21:21order
21:21to
21:21confirm
21:22that
21:22reality
21:23but
21:23certainty
21:23that
21:24kind
21:24of
21:25words
21:25always
21:25bring
21:25uncertainty
21:26we
21:27saw
21:27it
21:27with
21:27Ukraine
21:28we're
21:28seeing
21:28it
21:28again
21:29the
21:29vulnerabilities
21:30of
21:31the
21:31EU
21:32energy
21:33infrastructure
21:34system
21:35how
21:36worried
21:37are you
21:38about
21:38the
21:38impact
21:38of
21:39this
21:39on
21:39citizens
21:39but
21:40also
21:40on
21:40industries
21:41as
21:41the
21:41EU
21:41tries
21:41to
21:41make
21:42itself
21:42more
21:42competitive
21:42I
21:44don't
21:44want
21:45to
21:45minimize
21:46it
21:46yes
21:47there
21:47is
21:48an
21:48economic
21:49fall
21:50but
21:50it's
21:50for
21:50the
21:51moment
21:51and
21:52yesterday
21:53already
21:54President
21:54Trump
21:55promised
21:56to
21:57send
21:59navels
21:59there
22:00that
22:01they
22:01can
22:01reopen
22:02this
22:02trade
22:03of
22:03Hormuz
22:03Trump
22:04said
22:04that
22:04but
22:04he
22:04didn't
22:04say
22:04anything
22:05about
22:05European
22:05tankers
22:06it
22:06was
22:06about
22:06US
22:06tankers
22:07yes
22:08but
22:08it
22:09affects
22:10us
22:10and
22:10not
22:11only
22:11Europe
22:11is
22:12affected
22:12Asia
22:12is
22:13more
22:13affected
22:13Asia
22:14is
22:14more
22:14affected
22:15you
22:16see
22:16it
22:16in
22:16the
22:16stock
22:17markets
22:17so
22:18what
22:18I
22:18want
22:19to
22:19say
22:19is
22:19yes
22:20for
22:20the
22:20moment
22:20it
22:22is
22:22a
22:22bad
22:22situation
22:23but
22:24on
22:24the
22:24long
22:24run
22:25for
22:25me
22:26the
22:26situation
22:27would
22:27be
22:27worse
22:27if
22:28Iran
22:29had
22:29got
22:30the
22:30chance
22:30to
22:31develop
22:31an
22:32atomic
22:32bomb
22:34you
22:34have
22:34to
22:35see
22:35it
22:35for
22:36the
22:36moment
22:37yes
22:37it
22:38is
22:38a
22:38bad
22:39situation
22:39but
22:40on
22:40the
22:40long
22:40run
22:41I
22:41think
22:42we
22:42must
22:43be
22:44willing
22:44to
22:45pay
22:45this
22:45price
22:46for
22:46the
22:46moment
22:46we
22:47heard
22:47earlier
22:47though
22:48that
22:48the
22:48argument
22:49here
22:49that
22:50the
22:50international
22:51atomic
22:51energy
22:52agency
22:52even
22:52saying
22:53well
22:53there
22:53was
22:53no
22:53real
22:54evidence
22:54that
22:55this
22:55bomb
22:56was
22:56imminent
22:56is
22:57that
22:57something
22:57you
22:58would
22:58give
22:58back
22:58to
22:58I
22:59want
22:59to
22:59say
22:59that
23:00this
23:00is
23:00not
23:00my
23:01statement
23:01but
23:01the
23:02director
23:02of
23:02the
23:03atomic
23:03energy
23:04agency
23:04was
23:04saying
23:05there
23:05was
23:05no
23:05indication
23:07about
23:07the
23:08building
23:08of
23:08any
23:08nuclear
23:09weapon
23:10but
23:10still
23:11they
23:11were
23:12reaching
23:12more
23:12than
23:1260%
23:13which
23:13was
23:13more
23:14than
23:14civil
23:14use
23:14purpose
23:15that
23:15was
23:15said
23:15by
23:16Iranian
23:16government
23:17so
23:17we
23:17need
23:18to
23:18criticize
23:18this
23:18and
23:19they
23:19have
23:19restricted
23:19inspection
23:20I
23:21might
23:21say
23:21though
23:21let's
23:21see
23:22what's
23:22happened
23:23if
23:23there
23:23is
23:23a
23:23solution
23:23by
23:24the
23:24US
23:24Congress
23:24is
23:25being
23:25thought
23:26in order
23:26to
23:26stop
23:26the
23:27strikes
23:27so
23:27many
23:28Americans
23:28also
23:28are
23:29against
23:29this
23:29war
23:29especially
23:30Democrats
23:30let's
23:31see
23:31what's
23:31happening
23:31in
23:31the
23:31Congress
23:32with
23:32that
23:32okay
23:33well
23:33now
23:33it's
23:34time
23:34to
23:34move
23:35on
23:35to
23:35our
23:35fifth
23:36and
23:36final
23:37round
23:38are
23:38you
23:38ready
23:42now
23:43it's
23:43time
23:43for
23:44something
23:44a little
23:44bit
23:45different
23:45I
23:45will
23:46ask
23:46you
23:46a
23:47set
23:47of
23:47very
23:48short
23:48questions
23:49and
23:49I
23:53no
23:53so
23:54let's
23:55get
23:55started
23:55I
23:55will
23:55start
23:56here
23:56with
23:56you
23:56Mr
23:56Lovatka
23:57should
23:58the
23:58EU
23:58help
23:59trigger
23:59regime
24:00change
24:00in
24:01Iran
24:01yes
24:01or
24:01no
24:02yes
24:03it's
24:03necessary
24:07yes
24:08but
24:09democratically
24:10is
24:10Reza
24:11Pahlavi
24:11a
24:11legitimate
24:12opposition
24:12no
24:13is
24:14Reza
24:14Pahlavi
24:14legitimate
24:15one
24:15of
24:16many
24:16figures
24:16have
24:17EU
24:17sanctions
24:18on
24:18Iran
24:19worked
24:19no
24:21not
24:22as
24:22much
24:22as
24:22we
24:23wanted
24:23is
24:24de
24:24escalation
24:25in
24:25the
24:25Middle
24:25East
24:25now
24:25feasible
24:26if
24:27we
24:27want
24:27to
24:27yeah
24:28very
24:29very
24:30complicated
24:30has
24:31Europe
24:31lost
24:32its
24:32diplomatic
24:32clout
24:33in
24:33the
24:33Middle
24:34East
24:34no
24:35not
24:36but
24:36we
24:36need
24:37to
24:37improve
24:37it
24:37does
24:38the
24:38EU
24:39have
24:39double
24:39standards
24:40yes
24:41no
24:42I
24:42don't
24:42see
24:42it
24:42should
24:43the
24:44EU
24:44now
24:44publicly
24:45condemn
24:46the
24:46initial
24:46US
24:47Israeli
24:47intervention
24:48no
24:49yes
24:50condemning
24:51also
24:51what
24:51Iran
24:52is
24:52doing
24:52with
24:52GCC
24:53and the
24:54rest of
24:54the
24:54countries
24:55in the
24:55region
24:55was
24:56Spain
24:56right
24:56in
24:56denying
24:57support
24:57to the
24:58US
24:58in terms
24:59of
24:59using
24:59its
24:59basis
24:59yes
25:00of course
25:00based on
25:01our
25:01prerogative
25:02to do
25:02that
25:02no
25:03has
25:03has
25:04Wanda
25:04overstepped
25:05her
25:05mandate
25:06on
25:06foreign
25:06policy
25:07no
25:07she's
25:08a member
25:08of
25:08your
25:08group
25:10yes
25:11because
25:12he needs
25:12to
25:13talk
25:13with
25:13the
25:13council
25:14too
25:14so
25:14it's
25:15nice
25:15but
25:15he needs
25:16the
25:16council
25:16and what
25:16about
25:17Kaya
25:17Callas
25:17is she
25:17now
25:18relevant
25:18in
25:18foreign
25:18policy
25:19can she
25:19have
25:19an
25:19influence
25:20she
25:20could
25:20be
25:21better
25:22Kaya
25:22Callas
25:22I
25:23agree
25:23should
25:24the
25:24EU
25:24continue
25:25to
25:25observe
25:25Trump's
25:26Board
25:26of
25:26Peace
25:28yeah
25:31yes
25:32if that
25:32let us
25:33be part
25:33of
25:33negotiations
25:34okay
25:34is
25:35Europe
25:35too
25:36dependent
25:36on
25:36US
25:37security
25:37guarantees
25:38to
25:38act
25:38independently
25:39yes
25:40but
25:40we
25:40are
25:40working
25:41in
25:41order
25:41to
25:42be
25:42independent
25:42by
25:43ourselves
25:43broadly
25:44speaking
25:44yes
25:45and
25:46they
25:46need
25:46to
25:46become
25:46more
25:46independent
25:47yeah
25:47is
25:48the
25:48EU
25:49now
25:49just
25:49a
25:50payer
25:50but
25:50not
25:51a
25:51player
25:51in
25:51the
25:51Middle
25:51East
25:53more
25:54and
25:54more
25:54we
25:54are
25:55a
25:55payer
25:55and
25:55not
25:56a
25:56player
25:56yes
25:57is
25:58Trump's
25:58America
25:59still
25:59an
25:59ally
25:59of
26:00Europe
26:01always
26:02even
26:02after
26:03what
26:03Trump
26:03said
26:03about
26:03Spain
26:04last
26:04night
26:04yeah
26:05I
26:05mean
26:05we
26:06have
26:06signed
26:07these
26:07deals
26:07of
26:0750%
26:08on
26:08trade
26:08issues
26:09and
26:09he
26:10is
26:10confronting
26:11us
26:11on
26:11that
26:11things
26:12but
26:12we
26:12need
26:12to
26:12keep
26:13our
26:13relationship
26:13but
26:14not
26:14submissively
26:15not
26:16submissively
26:16is
26:16Trump
26:16still
26:16an
26:16ally
26:17he
26:17is
26:18an
26:18ally
26:22does
26:23the
26:23EU
26:23need
26:23to
26:23rethink
26:24its
26:24relationship
26:25with
26:25Israel
26:26no
26:28no
26:29but
26:29that
26:29does
26:29not
26:29mean
26:30that
26:30we
26:30need
26:31to
26:31criticize
26:32what
26:32they
26:32are
26:32doing
26:32in
26:32Gaza
26:33because
26:33they
26:33keep
26:34more
26:34than
26:3470,000
26:35civilians
26:35this
26:35government
26:36keep
26:36more
26:36than
26:3670,000
26:37civilians
26:37okay
26:37and
26:37my
26:38last
26:38question
26:38to
26:38you
26:39both
26:39has
26:39anything
26:40that
26:40your
26:40opponent
26:41has
26:41said
26:42today
26:42made
26:42you
26:43change
26:43your
26:43mind
26:44or
26:44your
26:44viewpoint
26:44in
26:45any
26:45way
26:45let's
26:45start
26:45with
26:45you
26:46yeah
26:47that
26:47we
26:47should
26:47also
26:48have
26:48in
26:48mind
26:49after
26:49this
26:50time
26:50of
26:51war
26:51to
26:52find
26:53a
26:53diplomatic
26:53political
26:54situation
26:55what
26:56about
26:56you
26:56I
26:57like
26:58to
26:58hear
26:58my
27:00comrade
27:01Lopatka
27:02and I
27:02think
27:03it's
27:03very
27:03important
27:03that
27:04we
27:04consensuate
27:04this
27:05is part
27:05of
27:05diplomacy
27:06in
27:06what
27:06we
27:06believe
27:07that
27:07we
27:07need
27:08to
27:08talk
27:08hear
27:08each
27:09other
27:09and
27:09we
27:09always
27:10learn
27:10some
27:10of
27:10the
27:11other
27:11yes
27:11I
27:12positive
27:12on
27:12always
27:13dialogue
27:13okay
27:14and
27:14that
27:15edition
27:16of
27:16the
27:16ring
27:17to
27:17an
27:18end
27:18thank
27:18you
27:19so
27:19much
27:19to
27:19MEP's
27:20Reynald Lopatka
27:21and
27:21Hannah
27:21Yalul
27:22for joining
27:22us
27:23today
27:23and
27:23thank
27:23you
27:24to
27:24everyone
27:25at
27:25home
27:26for
27:26watching
27:26remember
27:27get in
27:27touch
27:28with
27:28your
27:28thoughts
27:28by
27:29emailing
27:29us
27:29on
27:30the
27:30ring
27:30at
27:31euronews
27:31dot
27:31com
27:32and
27:32see
27:33you
27:33very
27:33soon
27:34here
27:34on
27:35euronews
27:35a
27:42Legenda Adriana Zanotto
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